battlefield-2042

[limpid pond]

Imagine using jammer

[vague horizon]

Yes i did

[limpid pond]

Omega Lol

[low timber]

Then read it again

[sharp marten]

It’s really not tho 💀

[wide shore]

The new map is very stressful on the middle area on 128. Feel like there’s somebody in every direction at all times.

[limpid pond]

Had a dude yesterday tell me not to cuss because there was kids in chat even though I said the word damn

[wide shore]

But that can be fun

[next onyx]

Does feel the guns take a better turn at balance now.

Just surprised tht the RM doesn't start with high power.

[limpid pond]

The new ar is really good

[next onyx]

Cause that's 6.8.

[limpid pond]

I don't like that you get that horrid scope first

[stable sail]

You haven't played Rush 128 then

[limpid pond]

The wack acog

[stable sail]

There's 400 fucking APS

every corner

[limpid pond]

Irish is a main now

[hexed mango]

TV 2x used to be so good

[wide shore]

Oh I have. I’m just saying right now, you can just EMP those fuckers.

[limpid pond]

Dude is the ultimate defender

[stable sail]

Wait did they make it so EMP nades go through?

[hexed mango]

no

[limpid pond]

I feel if they put a dot in the middle instead of the upside down v it would be better

[sharp marten]

I really hope they take carpos advice and add a spectator mode I could do some cool shit for Tik tok

[hexed mango]

but emp nades will destroy any gadget, if you have the splash damage hit the aps then it hits it

[limpid pond]

I also really like the eft holo sight on the new lmg wish it was on other guns

[stable sail]

Nothing wrong with a chevron

[hexed mango]

or if they zoomed it out just a tiny bit so it’s not super ducking large, but yeah

[wide shore]

Apparently they can. I haven’t tried myself. I do know that Casper’s drone can snipe them now.

I’ve seen video of that

[copper ice]

useful in infantry focused areas, still doesn't help much with the long distance camping tanks

[limpid pond]

I agree. The close zoom does ruin it

[copper ice]

it is very silly to need to swap to Casper to fuck with an APS tank nest

[wide shore]

You can also throw down Blascos jammer near a chokepoint in rush chaos and just disable their gadgets.

[limpid pond]

Kf course not except the fact that the scope is zoomed I'm

[stable sail]

you talkin on the 6.8mm ar?

[limpid pond]

Yes

The rm78

[stable sail]

ah yeah

[wide shore]

Unfortunately it’s a hard problem to fix. Other than limiting the APS ammo. But even then, they can just keep throwing them down.

[stable sail]

was a bit zoomed in

but you get another scope quick

so

meh

that chevron scope aint terrible tho

[limpid pond]

It also throwing me off because the 2x I don't have a adjusted sensitivity for so my ads sense was slow

[copper ice]

imo now they've allowed EMPs to break them they should allow rockets to pass through as well

[limpid pond]

None the less the ar is a beamer

Gun has very very manageable recoil

[vague horizon]

Irish’s trophy system?

[copper ice]

Yeah

[vague horizon]

Yeah i agree tbh

[stable sail]

lol

[limpid pond]

I lowkey thought it was the double take from titanfall 2

[wide shore]

Yeah but the consequence to that, is in chokepoints people will just shoot rockets at each other.

[stable sail]

APS is supposed to shoot down rockets

gtfo

[limpid pond]

First the alternator now the doubletake

[stable sail]

rocket meta needs a counter

[copper ice]

Now emp breaks them they're just going to emp then rocket each other

[limpid pond]

There is one. It's called death

[copper ice]

if someone is picking Crawford to m5 me that's someone who isn't picking zain and I'll take that tbh

[limpid pond]

Die before the rocket hits you

They don't get the kill

[wide shore]

[limpid pond]

That's what I do to choppers after joking them

[copper ice]

You are high if you think there is rocket meta

[wide shore]

We need less explosive spam. But with the new sticky nade launcher it’s gonna get worse.

[stable sail]

you're trippin if you don't think theres a rocket meta

[wide shore]

That thing is so fuckin easy to use.

[stable sail]

Saw that first hand on Rush XL

[copper ice]

There isn't, due to the rocket only being used by the worst 2 specialists in the game

[stable sail]

Dont need C5 to clear the point now

[wide shore]

You really shouldn’t get 4 shots off the rip.

[stable sail]

Incoming 50 lis rockets

[copper ice]

The sticky launcher on the other hand is going to be used by 90% of assaults because their other gadget options are mid or c4 and it's a massive pain in the ass

[stable sail]

C5 is so ez

[limpid pond]

It is pretty annoying already

[stable sail]

C5 is preferred gadget for me lol

Toss out a door way, bam clear

[wide shore]

I used it for one game yesterday and it was responsible for at least half my kills.

[limpid pond]

Claymores are also now very annoying

[copper ice]

sticky launcher fires 4 shots in the time it takes m5 to fire one and reload

[stable sail]

Toss on a wall, new entry point

[wide shore]

Thing has like 0 drop.

[stable sail]

Cap.

[wide shore]

He ain’t wrong really

[copper ice]

They nerfed tracking dart and then gave the actually dangerous sticky launcher its old values

[stable sail]

By the time 1 explodes? Sure I can get 2 C5 off

[copper ice]

[wide shore]

You could start a whole family by the time the M5 is done reloading

[wide shore]

Sure feels like it huh

[copper ice]

It's a 6.5 second reload, it feels awful to use in the middle of combat

[stable sail]

me thinks you aren't using close combat rounds

[copper ice]

Yeah getting m5ed feels like poo but I get 40mm HEd nigh constantly from the amount of UBGL available

oh yeaaah sorry let me put my close combat rounds on my rocket launcher

[stable sail]

oh you meant rocket launcher

lmao

[copper ice]

[wide shore]

Yeah LOL

[hexed mango]

SPH is my main gun rn (it’s not a gun)

[stable sail]

I mena it'd be nice to get frag rockets

[copper ice]

honestly the launchers SHOULD have more warhead options it would be more interesting

[stable sail]

Tandems yum

[hexed mango]

just use a different launcher

[copper ice]

You make a game about swapping attachments and then don't provide any in easy situations where it could exist

[stable sail]

Tandems, Frags, HEAT

give it

[copper ice]

The other launchers require lock on

Severely less utility

[rustic mango]

Hello

[copper ice]

tfw no flak rounds for the AA launcher

[hexed mango]

tracer dart ☺️

[rustic mango]

Hi

I'm am having Xbox game pass wich edition available

[lean horizon]

Standard

Isnt BF2042 free right now with EA Access?

[quaint vector]

Yes it is

[copper ice]

Tracer dart is fired into the floor more often than not

[next onyx]

Oh yeah.

The RM is good.

A bit too good but I think it'll fit nicely even better with some adjustments.

[arctic grove]

just did a 0 deaths rush game

lmg and irish barrier

kinda ez

[granite island]

Tracer dart gun is useless in breakthrough man

I hit the condor with it and nobody shot a missile at the condor

Please let engineer be able to use the dart gadget

[clever marlin]

no

literally

[pine roost]

I didn’t expect an explosive launcher gadget to not be annoying

[clever marlin]

lis, emp grenades and mines

[pine roost]

Seeing what it and the XM are like in bf4

Is there any time at all to run away when it lands on the floor?

flashpoint breakthrough had 2 tanks on it?

dang

with how 'bowl shaped' it is with that long track on the side that must have been a pain

[granite island]

Also I just realized

How does a tank shell HE round

Not one shot a normal vehicle

But a recoiless can

Like the lat-v

[hexed mango]

ayy nice bt attack got nerfed i’m so happy

[next onyx]

What do you mean?

[hexed mango]

reduced vehicle count for attack

[next onyx]

Good.

[hexed mango]

https://twitter.com/BattlefieldComm/status/1631319034464436225

[next onyx]

I'm halfway done with the RM LOL.

[hexed mango]

bruhrheheh

i don’t even have the rpt yet

how was the super, i saw you finished it

[next onyx]

Oh I literally just got.

Uh.

The super was painful.

Better than the RPL but I just.

I don't like shotguns.

They're too inconsistent.

[kindred quarry]

I just learned when you get killed, you can still range find for your squadmates!

[next onyx]

I can clap some guy 10 metres away yet at point blank when I fire at someone I miss, But I turn thinking they're dead and because the player is some troglodyte I get my tags taken.

Ye it's cool!

[hexed mango]

sounds like average 2042 shotguns

[next gulch]

I know of a solution

just remove shotguns, easy

[next onyx]

I got a small clip with the RM, Mostly against bots but I want to show my friend because he loves the gun as well.

[spiral folio]

Shoot em from 1000m instead of 10

[next gulch]

AC9 is better anyways, can just 1 tap people with that instead

[granite island]

Why are the defenders allowed to have a wildcat on BT Flashpoint again?

Man's got the cannon type ammo

And killing us all

Also with a tor in the back

[kindred flint]

Because it's bad map design

[copper ice]

51:49 win lose ratio
this is literally bullshit

there's no way it's that small a gap

attack was not only consistently winning but it was a steamroll every time

[kindred quarry]

Any one here solo conquest as AI field commander against evil AI?

[rapid flint]

guys why cant i see the new weapon stats on battlefieldtracker?

are they not updated there?

[granite island]

Oh they increased the tickets for conquest Flashpoint

That's nice

[solid imp]

I've played several matches where defenders won

[spiral folio]

Winrate doesnt really matter on a game you can leave before the battle ends

[next onyx]

Defenders in my experience have won the majority of games on sector 4.

[spiral folio]

Is the last sector some clusterfuck with narrow quarters nobody can get into

[granite island]

It's impossible for attackers to win the last sector on flashpoint

[spiral folio]

That seems to be the signature "defense" sector

[copper ice]

I played 11 yesterday and attackers won 10 of them

The only time they lost was when a couple of dipshits gave a tank and heli to defence

[rapid flint]

guys why do i instantly die when i grapple onto a wildcat to c5 it?

[hexed mango]

they mentioned they also had feedback from people that attack was overpowered, which they took into consideration

[copper ice]

don't actually balance the vehicles or anything just take a tank away it'll be fine

[spiral folio]

Add "shit in the road" most sure-fire way to hobble a tank

[copper ice]

the classic "oh fuck a 4 inch large rock"

[spiral folio]

Also the irony that they nerf the lis rocket massively and "oh huh vehicles are out of control now"

[copper ice]

almost like..... they needed to change multiple things..... hmm......

[spiral folio]

Its like
"Get rid of thise mousetraps. I haaate seeing dead mice"

Um but sir!?

[pine roost]

vehicle oppressiveness is highly dictated by the map

just so happens that this one has some peculiar spots with lots of visibility over the map

[spiral folio]

Well vehicle effectiveness isnt necessarily boosted by vantage points

[final plume]

[next onyx]

An anchoring tank is one of the scariest things to come across.

[spiral folio]

One time on breakaway this tank sat on a glacier poppin rounds off so I'd bean em sometime with the lis

He just kept sniping

[copper ice]

breakaway is full of tanks on that fucking glacier

[spiral folio]

They lost badly

[next onyx]

Aps makes it all the easier.

[spiral folio]

Yea like the tank is safe there but the MGs are useless up there

And the tank isnt absorbing damage or distracting the enemy

So the tanks effectiveness is negligible

[copper ice]

even without APS they wouldn't die if someone was repairing them, but APS means they don't have to get out and repair and can constantly keep firing

[tender current]

I won last sector last night when playing on flashpoint

[copper ice]

IDK about that man I've had a lot of breakaway rounds lost because those tanks were consistently picking people off

they park the jeeps up there and use the 30mm too

[tender current]

Tanks aren't the best use on flashpoint when enemy team are filled with javelins

[pine roost]

which shouldn't even be a thing

[spiral folio]

It wasnt because of the tank. The enemy just did better

[copper ice]

it was specifically because of the tank blasting us with aoe

we couldn't hold a cohesive defence

[spiral folio]

Id rather have an enemy tank in the middle of nowhere

[copper ice]

That glacier gives it a very favourable view of the final two objs

[spiral folio]

You have to still like occasionally pop a rocket at the tank to make it hide

You cant just let it wail on you

But tanks arent snipers

[copper ice]

If they're at all decent at aiming they can ensure you can't defend in specific locations due to constant shelling which can make it considerably easier to attack

[copper ice]

Any decent tanker up there wont hide

There's no way you're gonna kill them with solo lis even without APS

[spiral folio]

Then keep hitting it

[copper ice]

they can just eat the rocket

[drowsy rose]

Can the US win the new mao

[spiral folio]

Thats not the point

[drowsy rose]

I've never seen them win

[copper ice]

Lis can only hit it so many times before cooldown

She literally cannot output enough dps

[spiral folio]

A tank at 100% is bold
A tank at 80% is cautious

[copper ice]

It's squatting on a hill

[remote kiln]

tank mains ftw

[copper ice]

It could be 20% and not give a shit

[pine roost]

and in breakthrough you can't get an attack aircraft to take it out because they aren't allowed

[copper ice]

enemy gets transport helis to take out your vehicles/infantry though

[drowsy rose]

Enemy team brain dead lmao

Like getting a KS isn't hard but the fact you went 70-5 in a tank shows they legitmately didn't try

[remote kiln]

consider ive got 6.2k kills with it

[next gulch]

yeah it's way too easy to jihad C4 a tank on that map, but YEEEEBOIIII tank main

[drowsy rose]

You're goddamn right Im jealous I want the enemies you fight

[drowsy rose]

Any time I've been in a tank I think I've been C4'd more than loses from an enemy vehicle

[next gulch]

since there's no prox sensor, you have to be extra paranoid and watch every corner cuz some sperg will swoop in and C4 you

yeah it's ridiculous in 2042

[muted cradle]

Is the C5 on tank insta kill?

[next gulch]

I've been c4'd in a tank more times in 2042 than BF3/4 combined and I'm only having reached a quarter of the playtime I do on those 2 g ames

[drowsy rose]

3 of them kill it

[copper ice]

that's because launchers in other games can actually confirm kills

[hollow fossil]

Anyone know why I keep ending up in my friends server region even though I'm the party leader? It only happens when I play with him

[copper ice]

consistently in 2042 it turns to c5 to be the kill confirm because the launchers and engie specialists are bad

[silk surge]

This thing is so broken, but so much fun to use.

[copper ice]

You can toss multiple of them quickly and 3 will kill a tank, so they're popular for actual tank destruction

[copper ice]

It reloads that fucking fast with 2 shots per reload?

m5 is 6.5 seconds and that gets THAT?

[silk surge]

Yuup, and it's so accurate. I've gotten direct hits on snipers 150m away like its nothing.

[muted cradle]

Do you think a nerf is coming soon?

Been using it too and love it

[copper ice]

they nerf the tracking dart and leave the fucking sticky launcher with the darts pre-nerf stats

you have to be kidding me

[spiral folio]

If its somethiny people like using or hurts vehicles itll be nerfed

[silk surge]

Probably a hipfire accuracy nerf.

[muted cradle]

It doesn’t hurt vehicles too much

[copper ice]

It really does feel like they're in love with vehicles right now

[drowsy rose]

If GLs could hurt vehicles heli mains would whine

[spiral folio]

It happened in bf5

[silk surge]

Nah, BUT if you tag a transport heli, it will kill both the passengers.

[muted cradle]

😝😆

[copper ice]

UBGL can hurt vehicles

[spiral folio]

When people could actually fight back vs planes they massively nerfed the fliegerfaust

[copper ice]

people just dont use them because they think the given stats make them bad attachments

it drops the control bar from like, 60 to 30

[pine roost]

just swap it out on the fly

[copper ice]

but that literally doesn't mean anything

[pine roost]

plus system baby

[copper ice]

it's a minimal ads time nerf at most

borderline meaningless

[silk surge]

Because they made the fliegerfaust completely broken. Any doofus could beam a plane out of the sky.

[copper ice]

dice flat out just lies about attachment stats

[copper ice]

After a year of JUBBA that was deserved

At last the bomber gets to be the bombee

[brittle atlas]

Wasn't it the other way around before that though?

[drowsy rose]

Vehicle Mains when they aren't the stars of the round - you interupted they're shitty YT and twitch streams

[copper ice]

it was, and returned to that after the flieger nerf

[drowsy rose]

Infantry should be scary as shit to a tank w/o support lol

Why you think BF4 is hilarious if you run 2 engineers,1 recon, 1 support in a squad? You can make their lives hell

[pine roost]

honestly the self repair ability generating a full gustav shot of health on press is one thing I find that makes fighitng them such a drawn out process

[drowsy rose]

Like fuck I think anything that's Sniper,DMR, or LMG calibers should damage helicopters

[copper ice]

Takes 6.5 seconds to reload and the tank gets to regen it all immediately

[pine roost]

it could repair components, but that heal is a bit much

[drowsy rose]

I don't think there's crit hits either

[copper ice]

then it has a remarkably low cooldown on top of that

[drowsy rose]

BF5 if you get them tracked or break their turret ring they gotta panic

BF5 also was wonderful in that to even do their repair abilities for you panic button you had to rearm

[copper ice]

Yeah plinking tanks at a distance at least pissed them off in bfv when you broke stuff

It's borderline pointless in 2042

That 6.5 second m5 reload is time you could be shooting infantry

[drowsy rose]

Well they removed rorsch's single shot from hurt anything but helis,planes, and cars

So you cannot harass a tank anymore

[copper ice]

I was using it against a heli yesterday and it still felt like it did almost nothing

[drowsy rose]

Too reduced, they overnerfd it because

[pine roost]

they might make some changes to the tank stuff, I hope so at least

[copper ice]

Hit it with 3 mags of full auto and it was under 10 damage

[drowsy rose]

"It did it's job perfectly and people whined"

I would've accepted a charge delay

[copper ice]

Then i hit it with a lucky 40mm AP UBGL and it did like, 33 damage

[drowsy rose]

But the damage kick pretty much makes it not good anymore to fuck around

Now you see shitheads on Hourglass putting AAs in their spawn

[copper ice]

It's insane that firing grenades into the air is the best AA strat right now

[drowsy rose]

TBH it's pretty easy to balance infantry,air and vehicles but battlefield has been janky and they over correct stuff so often that it leaves a void

I barely ever played BF4 but I can find fourm post about dudes whining that MANPADs were too OP

[copper ice]

I can theoretically sympathise with helis getting plinked on large flat maps with no cover, but maybe you shouldnt have made the gun almost hitscan?? What the fuck did they think was going to happen

[drowsy rose]

Meanwhile today you see dudes managing 150+ kills because you can't counter them w/o teamwork because there's too many safeties to prevent it

[copper ice]

People keep gravitating towards weapons that can actually hurt helis because their flares make the AA launcher useless

[drowsy rose]

It's a railgun

You introduce future team into a game you're opening up a can of worms because railguns literally shoot in a straight line IRL

[pine roost]

and people gravitate towards the ram and AT / AI wildcat, forgetting that the wildcat is the main counter to them

[spiral folio]

That's literally not how a railgun works

[copper ice]

I know, but marketing it as hitscan alongside damaging vehicles was stupid because it inevitably was either going to have its velocity reduced or its vehicle damage killed

[pine roost]

the AA in bf4 is always a consideration due to it always being on the map and always in AA mode

[drowsy rose]

It's weird imagine if they didn't make the fucking AA vehicle also an APC that has an AT spec

[spiral folio]

The railgun is fast but its still effected by gravity

[copper ice]

I'd argue this is heavily due to the 30mm wildcat feeling like shit to use on anything but aircraft

[drowsy rose]

wonder why most heli mains avoided any maps with AA vehicles lol

[pine roost]

If they remove the other weapon options I could see them potentially upping the infantry damage slightly

[copper ice]

The heli is dangerous enough in BT to run 30mm wildcat to counter it, but people get bored very easily of firing at infantry with bad spread on an 8hk vehicle main weapon

[drowsy rose]

They should really just seperate AA into a new vehicle class

[copper ice]

it's got utter dogshit damage values

[next gulch]

I miss when attack heli gunner was hilariously OP

now that was fun

[copper ice]

the fucking coaxial lmg kills infantry better than the wildcat 30mms and the coaxial lmg is SHIT

[pine roost]

If you play the wildcat, you have to go AA only. It's insanely good for that but the downtime makes most people prefer the other options instead, that's just simple logic

[brittle atlas]

Coax is a meme in this game

[pine roost]

the only real way would be to force it as it's own slot so people have to use it for it's purpose

[copper ice]

This just leads to people using the inferior higher caliber cannon variants on the wildcat to try and squeeze some infantry killing capabilities out of it

[next gulch]

actually playing the wildcat is horrendous yes, you will basically be doing nothing the whole round getting an air kill here and there, that is if the pilots are dumb and fly right towards you

[copper ice]

Which gives you a shitty version of the RAM

[next gulch]

maps are too big so it's easy to avoid AA

[drowsy rose]

The TOR is a good AA vehicle just not against planes

[pine roost]

exactly, so it should only have a 30mm if it's the main AA vehicle

[copper ice]

It's ridiculous how bad the 30mms are against infantry when the jeep 30mm is so good against them

[spiral folio]

Arbitraty balancing is always inconsistent that
way

The faster a gun shoots, the less damage it does even if it uses the same bullet

The bigger a gun is they'll nerf it v infantry to prevent it from being used that way

[drowsy rose]

Also the damage from the wildcat is awful on air vehicles lol

A HIND or Condor shouldn't be able to nearly kill you if you're firing on it

[pine roost]

nah it's not bad

[copper ice]

One did kill me yesterday on flashpoint

[next gulch]

its bad enough, it's way too easy to just fly out of range of it

[drowsy rose]

BF2 AA was fucking evil lol

[copper ice]

Outdpsed by the 50mm cannon

I was beyond mad

[pine roost]

against the transports it is because of their insane health, but that's not to do with the damage of the 30s themselves. They shred everything else

[spiral folio]

The damage isnt awful
The hind is just op

[drowsy rose]

MFW I was shooting a hind with a 30MM or 50MM cannon and it despite landing 8 shots it didn't destroyit

[copper ice]

it flew through the oob behind me and popped up at like 10 metre distance, i unloaded into its face and it just won in a flat dps contest

I had 30mm and everything

[spiral folio]

Hind is literally a flying tank

[copper ice]

Fucking insanely poorly balanced

[next gulch]

the laser tank is a better AA tank, than the AA tank

[copper ice]

There is literally nothing I could have done to improve my dps against it

[spiral folio]

Lasers dont come til s5 maybe 6

[copper ice]

It was so close it was eating all my shots with no misses

And it still just outdpsed me

Dreadful experience

[drowsy rose]

Remember since BF2 transport helis were dogshit

useless pieces of shit

so they decided to fix that

[pine roost]

I had that happen on stranded, before the rotation buff. Needless to say I was more confused than anything

[copper ice]

I swapped to Tor afterwards and killed it, then it came back and left me on 1hp in the tor

[spiral folio]

With the 30 you have to fire til the 30 overheats, switch to AA missile, then switch back to the 30

[copper ice]

I only got saved because someone else used the wildcat

[pine roost]

it's better to stop before it overheats

cools down quicker

[muted cradle]

So frustrating to play breakthrough with a team thinking it's a team deathmatch while we have to focus on the objectives.

[copper ice]

so we had to use a fucking TOR and 30mm wildcat combo just to avoid getting fucked by transport heli

Insane

[pine roost]

I don't even use the missiles

[spiral folio]

It doesnt matter
By the time you fire the AA missile its cooled off

[pine roost]

gives them a warning and can seek cover, when I'd rather surprise them

[next gulch]

It is pretty nice having a BF where transport heli's are actually good, were they good in BF4? Sometimes but most of the time no you were just target practice

[drowsy rose]

Oh yeah the flares in this game are more annoying than the fucking ECM in BF4

Not only is it possible to flare early

you can fly high and far enough to refill

and do the same shit over and over

[copper ice]

There was no point swapping to the missiles because they flared, I died before it ran out

[pine roost]

the issue with flares rn is easily their duration

[spiral folio]

You use the missiles to waste their flares

Constantly

[copper ice]

At long range that's fine

Flashpoint is full of valleys though

[drowsy rose]

Now you can meme on them massively

[copper ice]

Very easy for heli to flank

[drowsy rose]

By using Rao,Soflam

but lmao

[spiral folio]

The more flares you use up the less time theyll have them at ready. This gives allies more chances to shoot it

[drowsy rose]

SOFLAM only works for 1 weapon really

and the range is fucking awful

you gotta be like 300 meters to even jav them

[pine roost]

engaging with the missile isn't the best idea honestly, interweaving them with the main guns could work but I'd rather not

[royal swan]

That was a quick fix, I wish other AAA games could fix themselves that fast

[copper ice]

soflam doesn't work at all when they just flare again

[copper ice]

[spiral folio]

If you never use missiles because l the enemy has flares.

They will ALWAYS have flares.

[royal swan]

Breakthrough on flashpoint should be better now

[spiral folio]

If you use your infinite missiles to use up their flares. Theyll only sometimes have flares

[copper ice]

With flare cooldown they pretty much always have flares anyway

[drowsy rose]

Give the wildcat Passive Radar Missiles

We'll see how flares work when I can dumb fire 1 missile to bait you

[spiral folio]

Its close but it still gives allies a chance

[pine roost]

but they'll seek cover while you lock, might as well use that time to damage them

[spiral folio]

You have literally nothing to lose by using the aa missiles every chance they refresh

[copper ice]

No allies even run the AA launcher anymore because it's pointless

On BT it's relegated to 1 or 2 vehicles maximum and cannot be dumb fired so it has no utility

It's a wasted gadget slot 99% of the time

[royal swan]

What's wrong with the wildcat

[spiral folio]

Then sit in the bed you made for yourself and enjoy it. Its your own fault

[copper ice]

so no one runs it, so no one takes advantage of wildcat aa running their flare down

[spiral folio]

The default config is really the best way to deal with em

[pine roost]

Use them after engaging with the guns if you want, using them to initiate a fight just isn't worth it

[copper ice]

I'm talking about the average player

Which is directly DICEs fault

[spiral folio]

Now that they fucked over lis its one of the only ways

[royal swan]

I really don't use the aa missiles that much compared to the 30mm dual cannons

[copper ice]

That's why we had 90% lis pickrate for engineers

[spiral folio]

Dices fault people make bad choices

[pine roost]

I only use them if the enemy is flying way beyond my cannon range, that's it really

[royal swan]

Putting stress and constant damage with the 30mm on a heli can make them fuck off and ineffective

[copper ice]

No one wants to pick the shitty AA launcher that barely ever gets hits because of flares and does poor damage even when it does hit over the m5, or just lis

[spiral folio]

Why i said run the 30 til it overheats, fire missile, back to 30. Its very effective

Like if you need need AA you use AA

The bigger guns are neat and all but they're not as effective

[copper ice]

tbh the bigger guns are shit even against infantry

[royal swan]

I'm more far range engagement, yeah when they get too close I use AA, but i almost mastered the max range the 30mm bullets can go

[copper ice]

you either use 30mm wildcat specifically for aircraft or you use RAM

[spiral folio]

Dealing with air units is two parts

Limiting effectiveness
Eliminating the enemy

If you can at least slow them down it gives your allies a chance

[royal swan]

I focus on limiting effectiveness

They mostly fuck off

[copper ice]

Don't get me wrong, I definitely agree with you that it's better than nothing

[pine roost]

I focus on killing

[next onyx]

Do big damage over saying hello I'm over here.

[copper ice]

But for how fucking single target the AA wildcat is, it should be shitting on aircraft

[spiral folio]

Yea like even just doing partial damage makes them retreat which isnt ideal but at least they're not on top of you

[royal swan]

That's if they are dumb as a brick

And stay in one place

[pine roost]

Sometimes they just fly over you while not spotting you, which is just instant death on their part

[copper ice]

Its got no damage against vehicles, its got shit damage against infantry, and it cant even confirm kills against aircraft

[royal swan]

If they are a capable pilot, limiting the effectiveness is better

[next onyx]

The 30mm wildcat got buffed massively, no?

[past flare]

anyone else controller mapping messed up?

[spiral folio]

Unless youre some turbo ace with the bigger guns vs air units, its typically a worse option

[copper ice]

yes, and it's still mediocre

[royal swan]

30mm needs buff where EVERY 30MM IS THE SAME ACROSS ALL VEHICLES

[spiral folio]

The wildcat isnt great vs tanks anyway so making it into a tank isnt overall beneficial

[copper ice]

it's just that every other AA option is worse than mediocre

[pine roost]

From my experience yesterday it wasn't mediocre

[remote kiln]

who sees the issue with this picture

[spiral folio]

Its at least ok vs air

[next onyx]

A stolen su57.

[copper ice]

It does actually hurt helis and makes them go owie im gonna fly over here now

[royal swan]

It was stolen lmao

[drowsy shuttle]

Earth is flat! wwooaahh

[copper ice]

but it should be doing more than that

[spiral folio]

Youre not obeying orders and capturing with that jet

[royal swan]

I wonder who got it

[pine roost]

the only thing I'd do to make it stronger is improved aim accel and deccel to be more reactive to a change in direction

[copper ice]

I don't think it should have higher damage against aircraft so much as transport heli should stop being a tank with wings

[pine roost]

the rotation speeds were great but the change in speeds are still fairly slow

[umbral sparrow]

I have played 13 games in a row of defense on flashpoint and every single one of those my team gets steamrolled

[copper ice]

i do think it should have drastically higher infantry damage though

[royal swan]

I'm still pissy how the 30mm is completely different across all vehicles

[spiral folio]

Always said the hind has too much agility and durability

[royal swan]

Why can't it just be the same

[copper ice]

welcome to dice may i take your order

[drowsy shuttle]

i've won on defense a couple of times... but attacking team needs to be really bad for that to happen

[royal swan]

There has already been a slight fix to it already

[next onyx]

The rm68 with short barrel feels like a pp29 with 30 rounds with greater ranged potential.

[drowsy shuttle]

what they did?

[royal swan]

THERE'S AN EASTER EGG ALREADY

[royal swan]

#direct-communication

[next onyx]

Interesting gun but we'll see how it'll play out.

[copper ice]

Judging by current design, the jeep 30mm uses high explosive ammo causing that horrendously large aoe while the double 30mm on wildcat uses AP ammo, due to it's utter lack of aoe and dogshit infantry damage

once again AP ammo sucks

dice pls

[copper ice]

Does it get UBGL?

[royal swan]

More reasons why this game is the nerfed battlefield

Fucking flack is better than the wildcat

[copper ice]

I have unironically got more heli kills using falck with 40mm AP than the wildcat

[royal swan]

I miss flak, I love the sound it fires and the explosion

[next onyx]

It's as if they're 30mm aa rounds.

[copper ice]

why use the dedicated AA vehicle when you can fire grenades wildly into the air

[drowsy shuttle]

i don't think reducing the vehicles gonna cut it...

[next onyx]

Not meant for ground targets but for air.

They can do a serious number on air keeping them away.

[copper ice]

They should be winning against a transport heli in a direct dps battle in that case

[remote kiln]

[next onyx]

Back when they first buffed them the wildcat was the scariest thing to encounter and you needed to surprise them if you intend to destroy one.

[copper ice]

considering AA weapons have historically been very effective against infantry

[next onyx]

I've seen tonnes of flying transports destroyed yes.

By a wildcat.

[pine roost]

that lack of damage drop off is deadly

[royal swan]

Well you get no transport heli for attacking, so that's probably going to cut it a bit in the start

Transport helis with capable pilots are insane on attacking

I am one

[copper ice]

I had a transport heli swoop round the OOB in a valley yesterday and win in a flat dps battle against me in a 30mm wildcat

This should not ever be happening

[next onyx]

That's an issue in regards to the repair tool.

[copper ice]

It didn't have repairs

It just won the dps check

[chilly jacinth]

skill issue

[copper ice]

50mm cannon

[royal swan]

Best transport heli play style is to never stop

[next onyx]

No idea what you've encountered then because before they could out dps. Now the wildcat can genuinely threaten them out.

[copper ice]

If the 30mm is going to suck against everything but aircraft, it needs to be really good against aircraft

it popped up 10m away from me so there's no way i was missing any shots due to spread

[drowsy shuttle]

yeah well but that is on all maps and all game modes... Air superiority is a thing, in real life and in the game. The second a team has a good pilot that knows what he is doing... its game over.

[copper ice]

it just didn't die before I did

[next onyx]

Flying transports are a problem yeah. Though against conventional helicopters the wildcat can ruin them.

[royal swan]

If you see a transport heli that hasn't stopped for like 20 seconds over an objective and has lived longer than usual, you're fucked as that is a capable pilot

[pine roost]

Against the transport that isn't an issue with the gun, every other aircraft dies in a matter of seconds

[copper ice]

i have no issues with the other aircraft due to all of them not being in BT (thank you god)

but the flying brick shithouse has full rune trim

[next gulch]

I never have interesting chats

[royal swan]

I want all chat back

[next onyx]

Oh man St chopper pre helicopter removal on bt.

That was dumb.

[copper ice]

I'm very glad i wasn't here for that

[next gulch]

Yeah, if we had all chat back, that would be amazing, I want to see all of the salt

[arctic grove]

Hello

[next onyx]

But it's not like the transports aren't any different anyways.

So.

Hello!

[next gulch]

And you just know there’s nuclear levels amount of salt on this new map

[mental delta]

Sometimes I have 5 people insulting each other the while match it's pretty cool ngl

[copper ice]

[patent prism]

I had a fantastic one just 10 or so minutes ago with a fellow Swede, talking about restoring the Swedish Empire, making the Baltic Sea an inland lake, "jag kommer nu riva upp himmel och jord, klart slut".

Long live the King, etc etc

Fantastic guy, really enjoyed playing with him.

[copper ice]

the most discussion i see in 2042 is people begging for their team to kill the heli

[next gulch]

Man, fuck you guys and your interesting chat’s

[arctic grove]

Bro told him to pack it up💀

[royal swan]

You know what pisses me off more than transport helis being op, THE FUCKING FACT THEY USED A OSPREY RATHER THAN A CHINOOK WHEN THE OSPREY IS THE BIGGEST PIECE OF SHIT TRANSPORT AIRCRAFT IN THE US MILITARY

[copper ice]

unironically, 70% of the chat is "target heli pls heli dropping on obj get heli heli is flanking get the heli"

and it doesn't ever die

[arctic grove]

Yk what really grinds my gears

[drowsy shuttle]

yeah its entertaining.. i always enjoy that while im waiting for a medic to revive me.

[copper ice]

[arctic grove]

Emp grendaes

[patent prism]

Same here, I hate helicopters and I think they are ridiculously overpowered at the moment.

[arctic grove]

they should have have a bigger radius

[copper ice]

emp grenades got a big stealth buff and now i love them

[next gulch]

I think it’s just there’s a lot more scout helicopter shit buckets on right now

[static prairie]

imo all transport is too tanky atm, bf4 was fine

[solid imp]

@quaint vector we all just saw that lol... 😂

[arctic grove]

Chillin on the couch at home base lol

[next gulch]

Attack helicopters not really they’re not that good compared to scout helli

[royal swan]

We could've gotten a fucking Chinook

[static prairie]

fucking latv's etc with grenade launchers etc its outrageous

[mental delta]

Lmao 1 fane out of 3 there's always at least 1 fucker to complain about support not doing what they have to

[royal swan]

A fucking classic still in operational transport heli

But we got the fucking big target that crashes more than it takes off

[patent prism]

Although to be entirely fair to the devs, the last two Battlefield games didn't have helicopters so they probably didn't have TOO much experience balancing helicopters.

[copper ice]

they were not good at balancing the planes either

[patent prism]

But, then again, the game has been out for X years now

[next gulch]

DICE just usually sympathizes with the heli sweats

[patent prism]

You'd think they'd have figured this shit out, but nah

[copper ice]

they, historically, have a very poor track record of air to ground balance among all battlefields

[next gulch]

It’s on purpose

[arctic grove]

The fuck is a chinook gonna do💀

[copper ice]

imo the most fun way to do it would be to crank up the damage across the board

[arctic grove]

Carrying vehicles might be kinda point less

[copper ice]

have helis with horrifying damage output and have them take damage from small arms fire

[arctic grove]

3 days💀

[copper ice]

have the tank coaxial actually kill things and give them a big boom but make them take damage from launchers

[arctic grove]

I want the tank shotgun back I prefer that over the HMG

[nocturne rover]

any point to having suppressor on am40?

[copper ice]

its more fun on both sides if damage output is high

[royal swan]

The same as the fucking osprey as it's literally the same type of aircraft but doesn't have a history of crashing and it flys a tad slower

[arctic grove]

Sneeaky

[copper ice]

if it doesnt have short barrel take wrapped suppressor for stealth

[drowsy shuttle]

if we all were PC players the chats would be way more active... cause console players don't chat

[arctic grove]

So a smaller worse transport?

[next gulch]

I liked the air vehicle balance in BF1, yes, the fighter planes were shitbucket magnets, but overall it was fine imo

[pine roost]

seeing as the flight assist has not been touched since s1 despite it affecting literally everyone, and the fact they've been constantly nerfing the scout and every other heli I'm not so sure

[copper ice]

The bf1 planes actually died to the AA

[next gulch]

If they wanted to Nerf the scout helicopter, they would make it not such a impossible target to hit

[copper ice]

When things die it feels a lot more manageable even if theyre very powerful because they actually die

[royal swan]

Would be a better vehicle as it's going to be less annoying as it will no longer have that speed advantage

[arctic grove]

So it’ll have maneuverability like the super hind

[royal swan]

Yes

[pine roost]

bf4 scout felt like it rolled slower than the current hind does

[arctic grove]

Eh that’ll be nice compared to being a fat bird

[pine roost]

2042 easily has the most forgiving flight model

[arctic grove]

Wrong reply

Shit

[drowsy shuttle]

i think i had that dude on one of my games once.. lol

[next gulch]

Even I could own in BF4 Scout heli, so yeah

I still remember one round I had on silk Road, I was doing so good the Badmin kick me

[royal swan]

Chinook to hind comparison btw.

[patent prism]

You know what the biggest nuisance is though?
People who eject from helicopters and jets early on to get to capture points early resulting in the enemy capturing those assets and dominating your team the rest of the match.

[arctic grove]

Dear god

It’s huge

[copper ice]

aircraft should die every time they touch the ground to prevent this

[next gulch]

@patent prism AKA BF4 transport heli

[copper ice]

its agony

[kindred quarry]

I wish there was a portal option of humans vs ai

[patent prism]

Agreed.

[patent prism]

Pretty much.

[next gulch]

And to be fair, that was its only use, most the time you just get instantly destroyed by a jet

[kindred quarry]

64 humans vs 64 ai zero ticket count

Ranger AI is good at the moment, it could get better

[quaint vector]

I didn't made it tho.

[patent prism]

I just wish there was a ground-only conquest mode.

Because I hate flying things, considering they can just fly (iirc) 500 meters away from you and be invulnerable more than they already are.

[royal swan]

Oh god I realized that bf had a old feature where you can carry vehicles with a heli. In a old bf game btw

[solid imp]

In fact, they said ranger AI is too good... It's picking up SMGs now and equipping it lol

[royal swan]

Fucking miss opportunity with these big ass transport helis

[copper ice]

ranger deserves better ai, like not firing at casper drone

what is it boy what do you smell

[pine roost]

bord

[arctic grove]

I mean whats the point tho

Not saying that doesn’t sound cool

But like

Yk

[copper ice]

firing randomly into the air missing all shots on casper drone but letting the entire enemy team know where I am

thanks dog

[royal swan]

Also same game where it had the Chinook

Battlefield Vietnam

[patent prism]

You really like the Chinook.

[arctic grove]

He does

[dapper river]

"I'll show you who's the boss of this sky"

[patent prism]

Not saying you're wrong in that, but just a general observation.

[royal swan]

I know that

It's just a better aircraft than the osprey

[patent prism]

No argument from me on that point.

[arctic grove]

yea osprey is a death trap

So let’s give it jet engines

[patent prism]

Chinook would have been a significantly better pick than the Osprey as a source of inspiration for the transport heli.

[royal swan]

In old footage it had rotary blades

[chilly jacinth]

chinooks are lame

[patent prism]

Eh, I don't mind them personally but I think they'd have been better generally.

[chilly jacinth]

nah

[arctic grove]

Why not make a long wider black hawk?

[chilly jacinth]

theyd useless flying tubes

like they are in mw2

[patent prism]

I don't fly helicopters much but iirc the "pylon gunners" on the Osprey/Hind are literally invulnerable, i.e. can not be exclusively shot out.

[chilly jacinth]

yes you can

it aint difficult

[arctic grove]

U can shoot out pilots

[patent prism]

Where are they located? I don't mean the slot that allows you to repair.

[chilly jacinth]

oh wait you mean the side gunners?

[arctic grove]

Side of the aircraft

[patent prism]

Yep

[chilly jacinth]

oh nah those cant be shot out afaik

[arctic grove]

The side gunners can’t be shot out lol

I meant can’t

[spiral folio]

You can shoot out the main gunner and the pilot but i think the side gunners are hidden more

Pilot is right seat
Gunner left

[patent prism]

See, that's just idiotic, I would have much preferred something like the MH-47 (I think) with door gunners max having an AN/M3 or M134, maybe an Mk 19, possibly something like an M240 (I guess an LCMG would be the 2042 equivalent).

Maybe a ramp gunner as well.

Co-pilot as the spotter operating the chin-camera-thingy.

[spiral folio]

If theyre visible at all from any angle my bet would be through the side doors maybe?

[arctic grove]

How abt dual Gatling gun turrets

[patent prism]

Define gatling gun, because people throw that term around a lot.

[arctic grove]

Also there are side doors on the trasnports idk why they didn’t do chopper side gunner style like cod

[nocturne rover]

the guns that you handcrank

[arctic grove]

Smaller version of the a10

In a nutshell

[patent prism]

If you mean the GAU-19, yeah, I think that could be a fair option to have available.

[arctic grove]

Tho at the same time side gunner would be easy to kill

Cuz yk they’re wide open on the side💀

[patent prism]

Yesn't. You still would have a fairly small window to shoot through to hit the gunners.

They'd be infinitely more vulnerable than the side gunner on the Hind though because they actually can be shot out.

[spiral folio]

There's another more general term for it like rotating barrel cannons

[arctic grove]

Bruh what

[spiral folio]

Be it manually or powered

[arctic grove]

Ppl say that?

Rotating barrel cannons?

[spiral folio]

Yes?

[arctic grove]

That’s a mouthful

[patent prism]

Idk dude, I'm a military nerd so if you don't give me the exact GAU-## I have no idea which one you're talking about.

GAU-12? 8? 21/A?

[spiral folio]

Rotating barrel / rotary cannon

[arctic grove]

I just call it miniguns

Or Gatling guns

[drowsy shuttle]

you know what? Bale

[arctic grove]

Bale indeed

[spiral folio]

There is A minigun
And gatling implies the handcrank

They're used interchangeably

[patent prism]

Minigun is generally used to refer to the 7.62mm M134 because it's a smaller variant of the 12.7mm GAU-19. It's a mini-GAU-19. It's a mini-gun.

[arctic grove]

Can a side GAU-19 even fit

[patent prism]

Actually not entirely certain now that you mention it. I know it has been ramp-mounted before in Chinooks.

Not too sure about door mounted tho.

[spiral folio]

Yea like the most accurate way to describe like any automatic multi barrel rotating gun would be
"Automatic (rotating barrel/rotary)" (gun/cannon)

[patent prism]

WAIT, there was a Chinook in Vietnam that had like 20 mm autocannons, actually.
Edit: Called ACH-47A

[spiral folio]

The automatic part differentiates it from a handcrank

If you said manual rotary barrel you know it means a cranked one

[patent prism]

Honestly, the more I think about it; not only would the Chinook have been a better choice for balancing, it would have probably been better from a customization stand-point.

[arctic grove]

Eh

Ig

U can put the 50mm on it as a upgrade

Tho I doubt they want to recharge a whole vehicle

[patent prism]

I hate anything flying with a gun bigger than a 30mm. There's a reason that the Hs 129 B-3 didn't achieve much success, same goes for the Ju 87 G-2, or the Me 410 A-2/U-14.

I mean, the A-10C II still has problems when firing it's 30mm GAU-8. Slows down the entire airframe and iirc they had to develop some weird system for the engines not to die from the gun exhaust fumes.

Besides that, I don't think any helicopter has anything bigger than a 30mm either. IIRC the AH-64D uses the M230A1 Chaingun which is literally a 30mm, the AH-1Z Viper uses a 20 or 25mm chaingun, the russians usually roll with a 23mm.

[arctic grove]

Yea well

It’s creative atleast

But I under wym

[patent prism]

Creative, sure, but is it any degree of viable in practical application (irl)? Does it contribute towards a good balance (in-game)?

I would argue on both points the answer is a resounding no.

Idk man, I feel like DICE could hire an intern to point these things out to them and it'd probably help a fair bit.

Atm it just feels like their whole balancing department is non-existent and the weapons and vehicle ideas are based more on coolness factor than actual balance or degree of probability.

[spiral folio]

Chinooks are not like combat zone vehicles theyre transports but they're about as agile as a 18wheeler

[low timber]

Blasco T1

[patent prism]

Is the Osprey a combat zone vehicle, though?

[spiral folio]

Its more versatile and faster

[patent prism]

The entire point of the Osprey, and I might be misremembering, is operational level redeployment of larger infantry formations between secured areas. I do not remember ever reading about a Osprey landing in a hot LZ, yet I can recall reading thousands of reports of the Chinook doing so.

[spiral folio]

Like comparing a blackhawk to a chinook is like a pickup truck vs a tractor

They can do similar things but the chinook is a huge clunker and very expensive

The main thing the chinook can do is carry a ton of weight not very quickly

[patent prism]

Though, I will concede one thing, the Osprey did (apparently) gain some attention from the US Army as they have (iirc) adopted a new helicopter using a similar VTOL idea.

[patent prism]

I don't recall ever comparing a Blackhawk and Chinook, I was comparing the Osprey and the Chinook.

[spiral folio]

Yea but a chinook will not be near a battle. A blackhawk will

You'd use a blackhawk to evac people to a secondary safe point. Then use a chinook at the rally point to carry more wounded.

[patent prism]

Chinooks have been used since time immemoriam for combat support duties.

Let me edit that real quick.

[quaint vector]

Last primary is done as well... Road to Super 500 begins I guess..

[patent prism]

Color me jealous.

[spiral folio]

Combat duties are not like active combat regions

You wouldnt fly a Galaxy transport over a firezone

[patent prism]

I'm sorry if this comes off as insulting or offensive, but have you ever heard of the Vietnam War?

Or hell, even the Gulf War.

[spiral folio]

A chinook is so obvious even the taliban can detect one

[spiral folio]

They again used the smaller ones first the predacessor to the blackhawk in more dangerous areas

Theyre too valuable to risk

[patent prism]

Yeah, they did use the Huey for a lot of troop movements, including landing and extracting from hot LZs, as did they use Chinooks in the same role.

It depends on the terrain and distance to be travelled in most cases.

[spiral folio]

Large heavy slow transporta designed to carry a tank not evade missile fire

Youd drop a chinook into your secure area away from the lines. Drop off a jeep or supply package.

Youd split that up and go into the hueys/blackhawks toward active zones

[runic tulip]

Hey guys, i have a idea.

What if Rao had a ability, that when you hacked a vechicle, it would reverse movement.

For example, instead pressing W and going forward, that vechicle would drive backwards.

What do you guys think?

[spiral folio]

It's like using a bus in a combat zone

[patent prism]

Not necessarily. Chinooks are primarily used for transport, yes, but they have been used extensively for the purposes of for example medical evacuations in remote regions. I can't remember the exact operation name at this moment but there was one in Afghanistan just outside Kabul where a Chinook was used to MEDEVAC a wounded USASOC soldier.

[spiral folio]

Eh giving rao that much power would basically be a near hand-of-god kill button

[patent prism]

I think we're approaching this from very different points of origin. I'm approaching it from what happens de facto, you're approaching it from what should happen de jure.

[spiral folio]

They exactly dont bring chinooks under fire.

My experience is theyll load a few people into blackhawks and meet up at a secondary location

[patent prism]

Absolutely agree with this btw.

[patent prism]

Again, you seem to be arguing based on what should happen, I am talking on what does happen.

[spiral folio]

If a commander ordered it and lost one because of that decision he would lose his commision

Probably go to prison

Like the loss of life and equipment would be staggering

[patent prism]

Depends on circumstances. If they had Blackhawks available as an option, absolutely, if they only had Chinooks available at that time, absolutely not.

[spiral folio]

But my training thats how they did it

[patent prism]

Out of curiosity, what nation's armed forces did you do your training in?

[spiral folio]

The scariest part though

Being carried by 4 idiots on a stretcher

[patent prism]

(That sounded way more passive aggressive than I had intended, apologies.)

[spiral folio]

And then they took my glasses so i didnt lose em
So i rode the chinook blind basically

[patent prism]

What nation's armed forces did you do your training in though?

[spiral folio]

Antarctica

[patent prism]

Good meme, but that's not a valid answer.

[spiral folio]

There's not a whole bunch of pieces to this puzzle

[patent prism]

I'm going to go ahead and guess the United States then

[topaz field]

have dice ever thought of 96p mode instewad of 128?

[spiral folio]

You mean the one that speaks english, Uses chinooks and blackhawks

[patent prism]

They should've.

[spiral folio]

96 is a weird number

[patent prism]

That one.

[topaz field]

not really instead of 128p just do 96

[spiral folio]

You know it doesnt haaaave to be a bit number

[quaint vector]

I'm tired

[patent prism]

Still though, Chinooks are absolutely used in combat scenarios, but I will concede that they are typically used in that field out of necessity and not preference, that I grant you absolutely.

[patent prism]

Slep.

[spiral folio]

They keep them out of like active fire though cause theyre buses

[quaint vector]

Send Halp.

[patent prism]

Keeping them out of active fire does not equal never encounters active fire.

[patent prism]

no.

[mental delta]

Go sleep, how can you tap out in front of so many people, like go sleep

[patent prism]

Actually if you want you can have some of my sleep meds.

[quaint vector]

I'll take a nap.

[patent prism]

Enjoy

[quaint vector]

See you all later🫡

[spiral folio]

They'll look at the intel map and go
"Yea there's too much activity and we have no intel on these areas... send two blackhawks instead"

And BF matches are super-active fire zones

[mental delta]

I'm surprised last map introduction talks about Oz

I hope are get to see him soon

Maybe to kill him

[patent prism]

Okay, now that we're touching on the Battlefield game area again; is it any more likely that they'd send an Osprey into that situation?

[spiral folio]

But its not an osprey
Its a condor

The condors advantage over the osprey is it csn throttle up faster and escape

I dont know how well the osprey handles active combst zones cause its a marines thing

[copper ice]

emp aps
swap to c5, throw it
it gets apsed
emp the other aps
swap to c5, throw it
it gets apsed

why the fuck can irish shit these things out like chicken eggs

[spiral folio]

Id kinda bet they keep the osprey a bit stand-off from major zones

The size also

[patent prism]

Pain.

[spiral folio]

Like the ospreys wingspan of those props means it cant exactly go down into a city center

[next onyx]

Spearhead was the best 24/7 map they did.

Spearhead just played so damn well.

Wasn't perfect but the flow was good.

I'm already missing season 3 kek.

[spiral folio]

Redesigning the game, a future version of the blackhawk replacement might be better

But the condor has distinct advantages over the osprey

[copper ice]

its honest to god the most unfun shit in the world

just turns into spamming smoke and praying i wont get murked in the middle of suicide rushing

[patent prism]

Absolutely, because it's fictional.

[patent prism]

Definitely, I hate the fuck out of APS and how it destroys even C5.

[spiral folio]

Yea like the big hurdle the condor is sci-fying past is a compact jet engine that can rapidly throttle up

[patent prism]

Yep.

[patent prism]

I don't see how something like the Blackhawk would have been able to compete with the Hind though.

[spiral folio]

Part of why youd want a small transport is that throttle response

Well just make it some scifi version

[patent prism]

Personally my ideal situation would have been having a Blackhawk and that one Russian transport heli I can not remember the name of.

[spiral folio]

I liked the raider better than the tilt rotor thing myself

The raider was the push prop one with the twin rotor on top

[copper ice]

kill enemy
reload
teammate spawns on their corpse
swap weapon
kill
reload
enemy spawns on THEIR corpse

[spiral folio]

Maybe they figured 3 props was too much

[copper ice]

I hate this fucking franchise they've never been able to fix this shit

[patent prism]

I'd imagine the maintenance would have been a nightmare.

Then again, we're talking helicopters, as far as I have been able to gather, helicopters in general are a pain to maintain.

[spiral folio]

That and the rear prop shaft takes space cargo can have

[patent prism]

Yep

The V-280 Valor I don't think is going to be that popular tbh

It's just too big to be a replacement for something like the Blackhawk.

[arctic grove]

IIRC the Valor was one of the vehicles designed for the marines to use inside Chinese WEZs (weapon engagement zones)

That’s really the most I know about it though

[patent prism]

Myeah, I could imagine that being the case.

I'll be honest though I haven't read too much into the FVL program.

NGSW and NGCV are more appealing to me.

[spiral folio]

The Sikorsky defiant was the pushprop one

Bell v280 was the one that won

Ans sikorsky sued

[patent prism]

Understandable tbh

[magic bloom]

I’m just imaging the mini osprey as I’m gonna call it is gonna have the same issues as the osprey

[patent prism]

Probably

[magic bloom]

Even though I hate the push rotor on the other heli it probably would’ve done better

[copper ice]

What the fuck is the aoe on the sticky launcher

[spiral folio]

Yea the sikorsky entry was supposedly more reliable and cheaper

So like it reeks of corruption

[magic bloom]

Probably is tbh

They should just completely design the blackhawks Imo

[magic bloom]

And it’s also been proven that dual main rotors can at least make the thing fly

[spiral folio]

Yea the lawsuit juust started. Itll go years probably

[magic bloom]

Like as cool as the osprey is just make it a fucking attack bird at this point and stop putting so many peoples lives at risk

[spiral folio]

Yea and the osprey isnt flawless

They threatened to ground em even

[magic bloom]

I thought they did ground all of them except for the Air Force ones

[spiral folio]

I think just the marines kept em going id have to check

[copper ice]

hoky shit the sph is cracked right now

[magic bloom]

The new assault rifle?

[copper ice]

The sticky launcher

[magic bloom]

I need to try it still

[copper ice]

Shit is pinpoint accurate, huge aoe, high rof, fast reload

theres no reason not to run this always

[magic bloom]

Is it for assault or engies?

[celest canyon]

Assault

[magic bloom]

I’ll give It a Go when I log on next just had a few great games in the brawler

[celest canyon]

Haven't gotten there yet

[magic bloom]

Brawler is epic

[copper ice]

Assault main yeah

[celest canyon]

Using the grenade launcher with Mackay seems like a riot

[celest canyon]

Looking forward to it

[magic bloom]

It’s probably gonna be my first vehicle T1 tbh

[gloomy otter]

I just realized, the new map Flashpoint's breakthrough is like being an American soldier on Omaha Beach, 1944. You gotta push but there are no flank points,

[nocturne rover]

yea american soldiers if they had a massive advantage as well as helicopters and vehicle spam

[copper ice]

theres tons of flank points lmao

the new sticky launcher does 7 damage a hit to tanks

[final plume]

Why Zain + SPH + Nade is even allowed.

[copper ice]

thats 28 in 4 hits, which takes about 4 or 5 seconds

sundance nade on top of that is about 50

[nocturne rover]

nice u might be able to get 50 damage before someone repairs it and ur team ignores them

[copper ice]

yep!

just went from a sweeping flashpoint loss because of vehicles to a sweeping breakaway loss because of vehicles

why do we not have at the very least a light anti tank grenade

for the other classes

so they can do SOMETHING

ANYTHING

[nocturne rover]

or make lock ons via soflam a lot faster

helis just flare and hide

[celest canyon]

mine was the LATV lol

[nocturne rover]

considering no one ever shoots helis at least let the people shooting lock on a little faster

[magic bloom]

Lol

[copper ice]

heli gets soflamed, flares, gets soflamed again, lock on, fire, launcher velocity is so low that by the time it reaches the heli it flares again

[bright fossil]

vehicle balance is so skewed in this game

[nocturne rover]

its because stupidity is impossible to predict

and dice i guess dont want people to be able to use lis

[magic bloom]

They need to fix her missile hit box

[bright fossil]

"yeah 30x agm should kill a tank, but 2 heats can kill a jet. also, lets make the nightbird more manuverable than a photography drone"

[nocturne rover]

its ok for 2 people to keep a tank up for 50 minutes but not for 2 people to kill one, that would be asurd

[copper ice]

fucking abysmal experience

[nocturne rover]

surely need 5 recoilless

[copper ice]

this game is so dogshit in so many areas

[magic bloom]

I hate to be the guy cause I agree with your statements but why do you play it then

[nocturne rover]

the infantry combat is fun

which is why i played infantry breakthrough

alas its gone

[limpid pond]

This is me.

[nocturne rover]

because the fun modes get rotated out

[pliant acorn]

Still fun

[copper ice]

at least in bfv tyou could run c4 AND a launcher; here you either pick a dogshit launcher with a SIX AND A HALF SECOND RELOAD or you take c5 with no other ranged anti vehicle option and fucking pray you can somehow get past the 60mm mortar or HE shells

[bright fossil]

playing jet in this game is so terrible

it is so so so underpowered compared to the wildcat and nightbird

[copper ice]

Because under the shit I can imagine, in a one in a million scenario where no one is using poorly balanced shit, the game will actually be fun

[pliant acorn]

Imo I think they should take out the vtol us jet

[bright fossil]

vtol is part of f35

[pliant acorn]

[nocturne rover]

Jets r p bad

[bright fossil]

not like it matters just recoiless it

[pliant acorn]

Ik

[magic bloom]

Only certain models

[bright fossil]

true

[magic bloom]

The B variant is the only one that has it

[bright fossil]

but still

im playing rn and its so bad

i just spent 5 min dumping agm and 30mm into wildcat

and he kills me with 2 heats fired at the same time

[nocturne rover]

In Bf3 I considered myself a decent pilot but this game has 20 ft out of bounds for some reason

[bright fossil]

yeah amazing balance here

[nocturne rover]

And turns so slowly

It’s a jet lol

[bright fossil]

this sounds like ego, but someone who is top 7 in the world with jets in bf4 should not be complaining about the balance of jet, but i can only get max 2-4 kills in a round and i literally have only ever played jet in bf franchises

it is so bad that i cant even get it to work and i have the least excuse to die

[copper ice]

bf moment

[bright fossil]

if i cant make it work, who else can?

[nocturne rover]

jets feel p useless

[bright fossil]

they are.

[nocturne rover]

dogfights arent fun

hell i have never even had one

[bright fossil]

they removed the one bit of skill ceiling it had

speed control. now everything is a loopfest with wildcat spam in the background

[viscid cave]

Guunny69

[magic bloom]

I mean the passive radar missiles were a thing in 4

[nocturne rover]

in bf3 i fondly remember getting piped in jets until i unlocked better weapons

[magic bloom]

They were pretty much free kills

[bright fossil]

actives are a thing here too, but the nightbird beams you across the map the moment you touch it

[magic bloom]

Passives we’re worse Imo

[copper ice]

blame the helis for the wildcat spam

[magic bloom]

Cause you could get them absurdly fast and then just insta kill jets before they could even flare

[nocturne rover]

i will say helis in this game a pretty fun

at least being in one

being against one isnt

[copper ice]

[bright fossil]

yeah

[magic bloom]

I specifically blame the stealth helis

[bright fossil]

lmao

[magic bloom]

The stealth helis ruined the game

[bright fossil]

stealth helis and nightbird

[magic bloom]

Nightbird is fine

[copper ice]

it's not like you can lock on when flares exist either way

[nocturne rover]

some guy whose name is like

[bright fossil]

jet guy complaining about jet not being strong enough

[nocturne rover]

cpt sum ting wong

pops like 90-100+ kill games

in the nightbird

think he died twice

when i played wth him

[magic bloom]

This has been a thing in every battlefield game the little bird has been in

[copper ice]

mobility > everything

[bright fossil]

they should just look at the balance of 3 & 4 and copy that so people dont have so many issues

[nocturne rover]

ngl i thought i was a decent pilot and then i tried nightbird and i crashed instantly

[magic bloom]

When the stealth heli combines the mobility of the night it’s with the fire power of an attack chopper

Nightbird pilots deserve to get 100 kills a game the damn thing is hard to use effectively

[copper ice]

Im glad that shit aint in breakthrougj

[nocturne rover]

jus delete all vehciles and add nightbird to bt

problem solved

[copper ice]

Even harder to shoot down, with your reward being 30 seconds before the next heli is up

thats probably my biggest issue with vehicles in general

[arctic grove]

Has the BSV-M been weakened?

[copper ice]

the effort to kill them is insane for how low the reward is

[nocturne rover]

i tink the bsv is still nuts

[copper ice]

no its still top 3 guns in the game

[magic bloom]

It’s about 2 minutes for the respawn time if your trying to spawn in a vehicle you were driving when it got blown up

[nocturne rover]

if ur doing bad its honestly prob skipll gap

skill*

[copper ice]

or bad hitreg

[arctic grove]

What the other two guns that are popular?

[nocturne rover]

many

[magic bloom]

I’ve been sniped out of the night bird by an AA missile and the helicopter was untouched

[nocturne rover]

theres like 50 guns bro

[copper ice]

popular is different to good

[magic bloom]

Your definition of good is whatever weapon you’ve put the time into master

[nocturne rover]

i use the am40, ak42, bsvm, avancys

[copper ice]

my definition of good is a spreadsheet

[nocturne rover]

glock

[magic bloom]

I fear the guy who’s ran the 880 since day one and can fucking meme on people no issues

[nocturne rover]

kinda nuts that all pistols r trash compared to the glock