battlefield-2042

[spiral folio]

Wheeled vehicles have decent terrain tolerance. I imagine itll behave similarly to the RAM

[copper ice]

the issue with nerfing lis is that they did nothing else to change why everyone was picking lis in the first place

[night vessel]

I legit have to get a friend to use the new IFV now. legit whats the fucking point of the vehicle being squad based u limit the entire control of the driver & gunner.
Hell if the tanks where like how the IFV is now it would be soo aids to play tanks

[copper ice]

she's still going to be picked, she's just going to be not as good

[fervent rose]

4.0 did not include balance changes i was hoping for

nerf the flying tanks

[copper ice]

it included almost no changes 😦

[arctic grove]

Jets have new weapons added?

[night vessel]

I understand where DICE is trying to do but this is not Squad game

[next gulch]

it's fine, they included more unbalanced stuff into the game

balances itself out

[night vessel]

where you need a driver, gunner and commander

[remote kiln]

people complaining about a patch that isn't even out? nothing changes here

[arctic grove]

Delete jets from the game pls

[copper ice]

they gave us patch notes

[next onyx]

The new vehicle is literally a Bolte.

[night vessel]

I'm complaining about the IFV

[copper ice]

unless there's a ton of changes that they "forgot" to include again it's justified to complain

[next gulch]

No, keep the jets I want jet shitbuckets to suffer

[arctic grove]

What have the jets done to you

[fervent rose]

i almost wouldnt mind if bf was entirely set up like that. but when you make that vehicle op as hell just because 2 people are working together like the hind, it's not very fun

[spiral folio]

Add jetpacks also

[eager spire]

yes, heaven forbid people who wanna fly jets are able to play the game

[remote kiln]

you've literally not even used it yet

[eager spire]

:I

[spiral folio]

With 3d mouse support

[arctic grove]

This is my first battlefield game

[copper ice]

tbh they should remove jets

[arctic grove]

And I gotta say

[night vessel]

Mate read what I have been complaining about

[remote kiln]

yeah I read it

[arctic grove]

This is one of the games of all time

[remote kiln]

save it for trying it first yeah?

acting like squad vehicles automatically lose is dumb af

[night vessel]

mate no point this is not a squad game

[arctic grove]

I should've gotten the dark souls collection

[night vessel]

I rather have full control of my vehicle

[arctic grove]

[remote kiln]

you've never had full control of any vehicle

lmao

it's not a jet

[night vessel]

yes we did Tanks and wildcat hello ?

[fervent rose]

the new IFV is cool. i hope they remove MAVs from rush and it replaces them

[arctic grove]

You can technically

[next gulch]

a lot of discussion going on over a vehicle that'll be instantly vaporized soon as it leaves spawn amirite

[copper ice]

my condolences, but also you did this to yourself

[next onyx]

I think this'll be more problematic than the mav.

[arctic grove]

You just have to cycle at the speed of light

[remote kiln]

do you get to control all 4 gunnery positions of them at once or do you need squad mates?

[night vessel]

Tanks don't need a gunner u are the gunner as a driver

[remote kiln]

it's almost like you have to leave the damn seat

[copper ice]

it's already stronger than the mav going solely by abilities and available guns

[arctic grove]

I got the game for solo and portal

[fervent rose]

maybe, depends on how much hp it has

[next onyx]

It had the aps ring of fire explosion.

[spiral folio]

My thought is that's why they separated the gun fron the driver.

You'll still get the ol gunner campers

[remote kiln]

acting like this is the first IFV vehicle ever added to a battlefield

[copper ice]

it's probably gonna have more considering it's advertised as a close range brawler vehicle

[fervent rose]

it doesnt have APS

it has anti hack

[night vessel]

I don't care about the commander seat or passanger gunner seat all I care about is me controlling my vehicle and the main gun.

[next onyx]

No aps but it has a ring of fire thing.

[spiral folio]

Johnny cash approves

[arctic grove]

Why do people even like the bolte?

[next onyx]

Which can be used offensively.

Because it's an easy vehicle.

[fervent rose]

Yea it'll be nice, just not an invulnerable sand crawler

[arctic grove]

The thing sucks ass when 1v1ed against any other vehicle besides the jeep and hovercraft

[night vessel]

how every IFV and tanker player in BF would rather have this control rather than trust ya squad or random player in doing the job

[spiral folio]

Barrel through a flag, drop a ring of death and speed out

[fervent rose]

if i dont have c5 the mavs are a huge annoyance in Rush

[next onyx]

I'm not looking forward to the ring of fire. Was niche in bf5 for a reason.

[remote kiln]

you don't get to control it in the MAV, transport Heli, half the squad IFVs in older games stop complaining holy christ

[arctic grove]

At this point in time I'm using Mpat shells to counter air vehicles bruh

[remote kiln]

it's literally not even out yet

[arctic grove]

Remove all aviation related things

[next onyx]

Yeah the flying transports are an issue.

[night vessel]

mate MAV is a team spawn vehicle

IFV is a different story

[remote kiln]

right?

[copper ice]

you already understand battlefield balance and this is your first game, impressive

[next onyx]

And so is this new ifv which theyve set to do.

[remote kiln]

how does that change anything?

[fervent rose]

honestly this

[arctic grove]

No this is my first title

[next onyx]

It's more of an APC.

[arctic grove]

Not game

My introduction

[copper ice]

still impressive!

[arctic grove]

brooo

play the older games soon

Boutta unlock the shottie

[night vessel]

my god have you play Bad company 1 and 2 and BF2, 3 4 and 2142 ?

[remote kiln]

I've played every game in this franchise

lmao

[arctic grove]

I want to play bf4 but can't play solo

[remote kiln]

every single game

[arctic grove]

chads play 2142 instead of 2042

[remote kiln]

including heroes

[arctic grove]

Unless I want to dive into a campaign

[spiral folio]

I didnt play 4 or the spin-off ones

Heroes was peak battlefield

[severe oyster]

The new map is just renewal

[night vessel]

than u should understand that only team spawn vehicle is the only vehicle that requires a gunner. all other vehicles such as Tanks, IFVs and AA tanks all had driver full control of the main gun

[severe oyster]

dice do yall think were stupid

[arctic grove]

I got into jets since I am an ace combat fan but

[severe oyster]

yall are heading backwards

[copper ice]

giving the brawler driver control over the shotgun it comes with would make it an absolute hell to fight

[arctic grove]

The jets suck ass

[fervent rose]

and stranded is discarded + orbital

[arctic grove]

Absolute dogshit

[fervent rose]

its kinda weak

[rocky kraken]

they did some work to jets

[severe oyster]

and spearhead cause its linear just like it

[rocky kraken]

This upcoming y update

[severe oyster]

like come on

[spiral folio]

Idea
Bf1 heroes
A comical lighthearted take on the harrows of ww1

[fervent rose]

spearhead is better

[rocky kraken]

The f35 will finally compete with the su

[fervent rose]

unique assets, looks

[next onyx]

They've noticed people like getting into the action.

[arctic grove]

Like you know jets are dogshit when the ONE of the metas is to strap c4 onto a jet and crash it

[next onyx]

Heh.

Boom.

[spiral folio]

Flamethrower troop runs through trenches
"Wupwup heyoo"

[copper ice]

turns out most people don't like sprinting 500 metres before fighting

[arctic grove]

Real question is can it compete with a helicopter or wildcat

Prolly not

[fervent rose]

i didnt like how far hamada forced you to run and they decided to make every map hamada or worse 💀

[remote kiln]

don't try to pull this bullshit "you've not played older games", there has never been a single ground vehicle in the history of this franchise that you have ever gotten full control of the gunnery positions without giving up your main seat, the MBTs in battlefield 3 didn't have access to the commander seat without someone else using it, the IFVs in 3 and 4 were death sentences if you were playing without other gunners, you aren't a one man hero

[spiral folio]

Instead of a f35 they could have made it some enhanced f35 with active thrust vectoring for tight turns

[solar tinsel]

Shouldnt be able to compete with a wildcat, but I really think the little bird needs to do less damage against jets. To be honest, a good little bird pilot can take out a jet pretty easily 😆

[rocky kraken]

There are unique assets in the new map

[fervent rose]

LAV in bf3 was the opposite of a death sentence

[rocky kraken]

I don’t see the problem, the terrain looks different

[fervent rose]

what bf3 did you play

[copper ice]

hamada....

[rocky kraken]

I mean like how can you make dirt look very different

[spiral folio]

I was good with the LAV in bf2 and p4f

[next onyx]

They made the enemy shit bricks. The lavs.

[fervent rose]

LAV on seine

[next onyx]

Speedy boi.

[next gulch]

From Jackfrag’s video the new map looked almost exactly like the desert side of Renewal

[next onyx]

Lav on grand bazaar. I still remember running away from one.

[arctic grove]

mortar on seine

[remote kiln]

best of luck facing off against any other vehicle in 3 without external gunners

[next onyx]

That cannon was genuinely horrifying.

[remote kiln]

it wiped infantry, it was a death nail against enemy vehicle players

[next onyx]

They were just hmg gunners.

If I remember correctly.

[next gulch]

You know what else BF3 had 2042 needs

Mortars

[arctic grove]

please don't make them have cooldown

use it once, throw it away

[fervent rose]

i didnt make you choose to play an LAV in conquest against jets helis and tanks

[copper ice]

good luck mortaring when APS exists

[remote kiln]

this is 3 you're talking about, its not 4 or 2042 map design, the only map which you didn't have this threat was seine, every single other map was going to have you killed, even something conservative like grand bazaar

[spiral folio]

The real solution to aps would be inert warhead guided rockets

Like that ninja one with the blades

Theyre designed to make a person sized hole in walls and light armor ti mininize collateral damage

[remote kiln]

and grand bazaar was funny because it only had 2 heavy vehicles per team and you still died

[solar tinsel]

It's a shame we never got a truly urban map, with flags ~100m apart. I mean dang, even older BF games had those and were staples

[remote kiln]

urban as in seine or?

[copper ice]

i miss rotterdam

[solar tinsel]

yeah, Seine, Karkand, etc.

[fervent rose]

seine is urban yes

just with canals

[solar tinsel]

I mean dang Karkand's flags were like, ~100m apart in areas if I recall

[copper ice]

hard to fit 128p in one town

[spiral folio]

No wake island yet is weird

[remote kiln]

I've always wanted a refresh of karkand, would be very interesting for expanding the map past its boundaries (and they even existed in the older games for it's road routes)

[fervent rose]

there were some bigger distances but that was more toward the end of the map. it was conquest assault designed and the first 4 or 5 flags were close

[solar tinsel]

yeah, and Im fine with the variety past the bridge a bit

[sour meadow]

bruh everyone gonna be running around with that new nade launcher

[solar tinsel]

but even on the eastern side, those 3 flags were what, 150m apart at best?

[fervent rose]

something like that

[solar tinsel]

Same, although I suppose we got the BF3 remaster. Id' love a BF2 map 'expanded' a bit for 128p though

[arctic grove]

Game needs urban maps. All these rural field with a structure in the middle are a joke.

[solar tinsel]

Jalalabad might be a good option, because I think it would be fun for breakthrough and I can see a logical way to add more to the map to make it 128p

[arctic grove]

Did you see the leak for the next season map.

[sour meadow]

leaks?

[arctic grove]

Another wasteland with a couple buildings in the middle

[fervent rose]

that wasnt a leak it was concept art

[sour meadow]

oh

[arctic grove]

Yeah I meant concept art

its garbage

[spiral folio]

Urban combat sucks out loud. Why do you think you cant enter ANY floor of the high rises?

[remote kiln]

SAK BF3 was really a minor expansion, you can't even tell that it's a refresh half the time, though it's BF3 era development time I suppose

[fervent rose]

its pretty meh, another natural environment

[arctic grove]

Clown

[fervent rose]

Amiens, Devastation, Karkand, Seine, Bazaar, bad maps?

nah i like urban

[spiral folio]

Imagine hourglass if you could enter every floor of every building

[solar tinsel]

Im with you, I mean shit I'd take a BF2 remake with modernized gameplay elements (less spread, unlimited sprint, class customization)

[remote kiln]

karkand was always funny cause it clearly was built to be bigger

even the spawns at either side extend way past their normal points

[spiral folio]

P4f had a rush mode on karkand that used more of the map

[arctic grove]

Karkand was the best.

[solar tinsel]

the benefit of urban maps is more commonly, it makes the progression between flags to have obstruction and be more interesting

[copper ice]

zain with SFAR 40mm HE, 40mm incendiary, 40mm smoke, airburst launcher, grenade launcher, concussions

[spiral folio]

Or wait was that another map...

[copper ice]

you don't need bullets

[spiral folio]

Been a while

[remote kiln]

yeah I remember this, extends over the river and deep into the actual boundaries, but is locked for CQ lmao

always the odd black sheep

[spiral folio]

Yea it was the one with the water landing

[solar tinsel]

Karkand did eventually have rush, and yes it goes over the bridge which were original flags in CQ64

[spiral folio]

Ah ok

[arctic grove]

Do you remember the urban maps from the battlefield 2 special forces expansion

[solar tinsel]

On consoles, that was the only time you played past the bridge

[solar tinsel]

hell yeah

Ghost Town

[spiral folio]

Victory village was the worst heroes map. All urban

[solar tinsel]

dude

Warlord should be the BF2 remake

[arctic grove]

climbing up balconies with the grappling hook, going from roof to roof with ziplines and night vision goggles.

[remote kiln]

unironically battlefield play4free had some of the most underappreciated maps

never talked about either

[spiral folio]

Some were like bc2 and bf2 maps

[solar tinsel]

BF2 in general just has maps console players never experienced, so it could be a good thing to tap into

[sour meadow]

bf1 specialist

[spiral folio]

Oman was a good map for p4f

And dalian plant

[solar tinsel]

Man I really want that BF2 remake now

[arctic grove]

Its not like rural maps are bad. But having nothing but rural maps and zero urban maps is just bad.

[spiral folio]

I could dominate the right flank on p4f with that big tower

[fervent rose]

Rural maps with good terrain are fine

[solar tinsel]

Iron Gator - the OG metro

[fervent rose]

2042 failed at the good terrain part drastically

[remote kiln]

ehh

it's alright, isn't terrible

[fervent rose]

reworking every launch map is "ehh"

sure dude

[frosty locust]

Exodus conquest why gone

[remote kiln]

map layout doesn't equal terrain

[solar tinsel]

It's gotten better, but in all fairness, I think even the community communicated the issue wrong

[remote kiln]

different map design methodology

[spiral folio]

Original orbital and kaleidoscope werent bad aside from roof objectives

[solar tinsel]

it wasnt just "need more cover" but rather, there was not enough meaningful and fun obstruction between flags

[remote kiln]

it's gone?

[copper ice]

built for assuming drastic amount of players at every angle

[frosty locust]

Yes

[spiral folio]

Roof objectives were probably the worst idea the game had

[arctic grove]

@remote kiln stop talking about the bf 2042 maps like they were intentionally designed like this. They are all wastelands becasue of resource allocation.

[solar tinsel]

Exodus CQ isn't a permanent mode, it's on rotation

[fervent rose]

it was two things. The distances were absurd. And the areas you had to traverse were too flat and lacking cover

[frosty locust]

No more

[remote kiln]

EXQ rotates in and out, will be back soon enough

[solar tinsel]

ok its out of rotation now, it will be back

[remote kiln]

but they literally were lol, they were designed to be battle royale maps, not conquest

that's why they had to be redone

[arctic grove]

No, they had 128 playercounter, no destruction, bad optimization and simply did what they could do. Wastelands.

[solar tinsel]

yup, but again I wouldnt evey say cover alone, the issue is just there wasnt enough obstruction in general. Spearhead was a look at how you could have larger distances, but still provide traversal obstruction

and my hope is it seems Flashpoint does this well too

[spiral folio]

If i redrew hourglass
Id start the BT sectors at the stadium, move the village and courtyard nearer and have that flow toward the city

[arctic grove]

Why do you think they are not releasing a single urban map in this game.

[fervent rose]

the open sight lines thing is definitely part of the Hazard Zone influence

the maps were made worse due to it

[solar tinsel]

yeah, for sure

[remote kiln]

dude, it has 128 players because 2042 was going to be a battle royale, this is covered in DICE developer interviews, conquest was a last minute decision

it's why HZ even exists

[spiral folio]

Yea the giant maps were originally for huge battles

[arctic grove]

Doesnt matter, they are releasing new maps that are wastelands right now. Do you think they are still making battle royale maps for season 5?

[remote kiln]

the season maps have been the best in the game, so I dunno where this is coming from

[copper ice]

can't believe they seriously thought HZ would sell

[remote kiln]

spearhead and the rest are infinitely better

[fervent rose]

yea Spearhead's terrain is leagues better than any 2042 launch map

like a real fps map

[solar tinsel]

the problem is even that wasnt fully fleshed out ha

I can imagine a fun PvEvP Battlefield experience, but shit HZ was NOT it haha

[arctic grove]

Spearhead is another rural map. The designers did what they could to make a wasteland interesting with level changes and tunnels. Its still a rural wasteland.

[copper ice]

i can't believe they wasted resources by splitting them on multiple bad ideas again after bfv

[remote kiln]

spearhead is rural?

[arctic grove]

And they didnt do it to have big sightlines for a battle royale

[copper ice]

i really thought that would be the best example of why you don't half ass multiple systems

[remote kiln]

half the map layout is about urban destruction

it isn't even close to a wasteland

[solar tinsel]

the poor leadership really showed through there. lack of direction. its too bad

[remote kiln]

literally, the 2 biggest sections are destroyed road bridges

[arctic grove]

https://www.gamegrin.com/assets/Uploads/2022/11/22/_resampled/resizedimage640329-56784868.PNG

[solar tinsel]

Nothing wrong with rural maps, but I agree not enough urban maps. I think a general thing I saw (due to the HZ influence) is that each (original) map tries to include a bit of everything, and as a results, excels at nothing

[remote kiln]

it has an elevator, entire rooms made out of offices, what more do you need

[arctic grove]

@remote kiln What are you talking about?

look at the link

Are you deluded or are you lying?

[remote kiln]

..

[solar tinsel]

Spearhead is definitely a rural map for what it's worth: with contained CQB areas

nothing wrong with that though

[remote kiln]

rural isn't close to a rural wasteland

[fervent rose]

Spearhead has a great mix of terrain fighting and cqb inside big building

but its not urban at all

like 0% urban

[remote kiln]

dudes acting like it's equivalent to hourglass

[spiral folio]

I don't hate any 2042 maps as being spray and pray maps. That said I dont go in the ship much on stranded

[solar tinsel]

yeah Hourglass has its own set of problems ha. Spearhead is a solid rural map

I just wish there was a willingness to commit and make a map an urban map, where 90% of it is that

[arctic grove]

Do you not understand that the reality is that this game has no urban maps. I dont know why you are trying to argue this.

[solar tinsel]

I get the concept of trying to make a map that does a bit of everything so folks can go where they want, but that works more for BRs, not Battlefield

but again, that shows how 2042 was designed as a BR

"Lets drop stadium" or "Lets drop city"

[fervent rose]

Hourglass is the only map they could rework to do urban properly, but it would take a lot of work

[spiral folio]

Spearhead is just probably the most evenly balanced map between long range medium and close range areas

Like theres spray and pray areas, mid range spaces and you can still snipe

[remote kiln]

don't act like kaleidoscope doesn't exist lmao

[solar tinsel]

I think they should just do to that what they did with the S3/4 maps. Make it more linear (with plenty of dune flanking on the sides) and have a linear progression between arch, stadium, and city

[solar tinsel]

In all fairness, that barely qualifies as urban from a gameplay perspective

[fervent rose]

kaleido is surrounded by a city, it's not "in the city"

you barely interact with the urban environment except for 1 corner

[arctic grove]

Kaleido is literally a green field with a big structure in the middle.

This dude

[solar tinsel]

right, you're in the park in the city

[arctic grove]

lmfao

[solar tinsel]

Like many maps, there is an urban "spot" but overall it's a mix

[fervent rose]

and that urban area SUCKS because its flat streets with very little cover

lmao

[spiral folio]

I dont think youll see like truly modern urban combat cause peoples gfx cards would catch fire if they tried rendering every floor of those buildings

[fervent rose]

massive flat streets with no cover

[solar tinsel]

well thats the thing, I would argue they ddon't need to

We don't need crazy verticality in every map

[eager spire]

so there's a thing in the patch notes where if you're piloting a vehicle, lock-on sounds will not play for passengers. I have a question. Why?

[arctic grove]

Same with the city section of hourglass. Just Big structures with 8 lanes of barren nothing between the buildings.

[eager spire]

I feel like that's something that passengers of a vehicle would want to know

[remote kiln]

yeah let's not pretend like the entire map is surrounded by skyscrapers, or that there's 3 skyscrapers in the actual map segment

[solar tinsel]

I'm optimistically taking this to be the lock on sound when a FRIENDLY driver locks on to an enemy

[spiral folio]

Yeeea byt if you fight in a big city there's gonna be soldiers in all those buildings

[eager spire]

Especially if there are people doing repairs

[spiral folio]

See also ukraine

[fervent rose]

it makes sense to me

[eager spire]

If that's the case then they should've described that better.

[remote kiln]

even the TRAILER for kaleidescope is literally a damn city

[solar tinsel]

nobodys saying there isn't, but that doesn't provide meaningful obstruction in the gameplay

unless you're specifically in that corner of the map, and even then, it's a limited stretch

[solar tinsel]

yeah welcome to 2042 patch notes 😆

[arctic grove]

Good for you that you can have some skyscraper sprites behind the edges of the gamemap and think in your head youre playing a urban map. But the rest of us dont get fooled so easily.

[eager spire]

why does that make sense? Why would it make sense that if you're being locked onto, and you're also in the vehicle but you're not the pilot, you can't hear it??

[remote kiln]

dudes on some conspiracy theory stuff lmao

[fervent rose]

because you're not the pilot

[eager spire]

THE PASSENGER IS SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO THE PILOT

[fervent rose]

the pilot can communicate the lock on, its fine

[eager spire]

EVERYONE IS IN THE SAME VEHICLE

[fervent rose]

Please stop caps locking me over a simple change that actually makes sense if you think about it

[eager spire]

no it doesn't.

[solar tinsel]

if the lost lock on sound is a HOSTILE lock, thats definitely a bad change

[copper ice]

console players

[eager spire]

it doesn't make sense at all actually unless everyone in the vehicle has noise cancelling headphones

[fervent rose]

[acoustic seal]

as a passenger, i would like to know if the vehicle is about to die

[solar tinsel]

because you'll be at low health and not be aware of the danger of an incoming killshot

[acoustic seal]

that is VERY important information imo

[solar tinsel]

that said, if it's FRIENDLY lock on to enemy

then sure

[copper ice]

this is a stealth nerf by making everyone jump out of a vehicle as soon as it takes one hit

[solar tinsel]

so: we'll see

[copper ice]

i support this

[arctic grove]

as someone who doesn't care , I just want scores

[fervent rose]

dope

dope dope dope

[copper ice]

vehicle users should have no friends

drive your big ugly metal brick solo

[eager spire]

like that is information that a passenger would like to know, so they could, you know, repair the vehicle

[fervent rose]

you get less perfect information and you will live with it

👍

[eager spire]

the removal of information is stupid in the first place though

[solar tinsel]

oh

[fervent rose]

it isnt removed from the pilot, so its fine

[solar tinsel]

you know what

I think we're reading this all wrong

[eager spire]

yeah but it's removed for everyone else that is in the same vehicle for no good reason

[solar tinsel]

While piloting or driving a vehicle, lock-on sounds will no longer play for any passengers

I think this means, PASSENGERS who generate lock-on sounds will not play for pilots/drivers?

[eager spire]

?????????

[solar tinsel]

ie: if you are in the RAM with the lock on weapon, the driver wont hear you locking onto enemies?

[arctic grove]

ABANDON SHIP

RUN

[solar tinsel]

I mean there are 3 ways to interpret this patch note haha

[eager spire]

If that's the case then what the fuck is this wording?

[solar tinsel]

precision of language

[acoustic seal]

@ dice, i will proofread your patch notes for $20 a patch

[solar tinsel]

Don't let DICE create a card game 😆

[fervent rose]

we read it correctly the first time

[solar tinsel]

in all fairness, I get it they slammin with actual work

[fervent rose]

they just phrase things weirdly

[solar tinsel]

yeah this can be one of 3 things:

[eager spire]

I mean if it works how i think it works, then this is a stupid change

[fervent rose]

do you hear the friendly "locks" because i dont recall that

but i could just tune it out

[solar tinsel]

1.) Passengers in a vehicle will no longer hear lock-on sounds from hostile lock-ons
2.) Passengers in a vehicle will no longer hear lock-on sounds from friendly drivers who lock onto hostiles
3.) Drivers will no longer hear lock-on sounds from friendly passengers who lock onto hostiles

I'm inclined to think it's #3 now actually, but lets just hope it's not #1

[eager spire]

also the new shotgun is described as a "high risk and high reward" weapon.

Actually hilarious, DICE.

Truly the masters of comedy

[spiral folio]

Lower velocity shotguns with excess spread are more powerful you know

[solar tinsel]

thats like them describing Spearhead as a CQB map 😆

[eager spire]

also apparently the SVD oneshots to the head like the M39 EMR

so that's definitively not a bug, that's an intentional choice they've made

[spiral folio]

At what range

[eager spire]

I have no idea. I assume the same range as the M39

39m and below

[copper ice]

would be nice if they included range in their stats

[solar tinsel]

it actually makes me wonder why we havent seen semi auto snipers yet

[spiral folio]

Practically on top of em

[copper ice]

not like it's relevant or anything

[solar tinsel]

sure we have like the SVK but it isnt a good sniper really

[spiral folio]

Because rifles from 40 years ago today are too advanced for 20 years from now apparently

[eager spire]

Also, we're in 2012, we finally have minimap scaling

[copper ice]

the only thing a semi auto sniper would do would have insta kill headshot and that would replace the other snipers

[spiral folio]

Theres been semi auto 50 cals since 1980s

[acoustic seal]

they'd accidentally make another bsvm and one is already bad enough

[fervent rose]

balancing semi auto snipers is hard

[solar tinsel]

I dont even think we need a OHK headshot, just... less recoil and much faster velocity

[fervent rose]

you still have to make your squad size huge though right

[copper ice]

svk churns up bodies, all it misses is 1hk headshot

[solar tinsel]

and less damage dropoff

[copper ice]

higher velocity lower recoil lower rof svk?

interesting concept

[solar tinsel]

I tried kitting the SVK out that way and it was still painfully weak at range

maybe thats a damage dropoff thing

[eager spire]

i'd like to know who was going around knifing vehicles

[spiral folio]

Thats why we get god awful big guns like the nwt

[eager spire]

and what that actually did

[solar tinsel]

It was like 2 headshots plus a body still didnt kill

[spiral folio]

22lr

[copper ice]

pretty sure svk is 35 damage minimum

[next gulch]

Yeah, I’ve never heard of anyone knifing from vehicles

[solar tinsel]

Dont know what it was then, unless it was hitting different targets each time

[eager spire]

no this is about someone knifing light vehicles and it apparently doing something

[solar tinsel]

it just felt painfully weak

[copper ice]

it has a bad headshot multiplier because it's got high maximum damage so it's headshots are worse at long range yeah but it should be 3hk maximum

[next gulch]

Oh

[fervent rose]

could you explode a jeep with a knife

[next gulch]

Still never seen that either

[fervent rose]

thats kinda dope

[eager spire]

Which makes me question who the hell was doing that

[copper ice]

60 damage up to 125m, 35 damage afterwards with high power ammo

[pliant acorn]

Yes

1 hit

[eager spire]

and why this warranted a patch note

[next gulch]

Maybe one of the devs because if that were a thing it would’ve been all over the battlefield Youtubers

[eager spire]

because if someone died from someone knifing their vehicle then they deserve it

[copper ice]

tbh 3hk svk not bad for 100m+ distances

[next gulch]

Getting knifed while in a vehicle sounds like something that would happen to me

[eager spire]

The MTAR and M416 no longer have the incorrect headshot multipliers now

[fervent rose]

remember when bsvm could head body to 150m

[eager spire]

how long have those guns been in the game

[silk surge]

MaxIQ seems to think that Flashpoint has the exact same issues that the launch maps had with open spaces and traversal... That's a bit concerning... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG5gU6IsTEw

He's usually very positive in his videos.

[copper ice]

suppressed gun with subsonic ammo

very good for close ranges don't you know

[pliant acorn]

Is it really?

[copper ice]

It's actually good all over the place

[pliant acorn]

Oh

[eager spire]

I think it's weird that content creators are expected to be positive almost all of the time

[copper ice]

even after the nerf it's like a top 3 gun

[pliant acorn]

I'll have to experiment then

Rn I'm grinding the M5A3

And the high-power rounds laser

Same with the cc

[eager spire]

like, that's just weird to me, like, even if a youtuber isn't having a great time with a game they're still expected to be positive or they're "just complaining"

[copper ice]

m5a3 also a top 3 gun

though you're probably better off just using standard ammo on it

[fervent rose]

standard extended better most of the time

they over nerfed cc ammo to the point of being kinda pointless

[copper ice]

close combat makes it 6btk beyond 10m which is poopoo

[granite island]

Wait

How long is Flashpoint

[solar tinsel]

I think... people should play for themselves! Everyone will have a different opinion

[copper ice]

high power does boost the 5btk range pretty nicely though

[eager spire]

I still don't know why they nerfed M5A3 CC ammo

like they nerfed that when they tried nerfing the K30 and also nerfed the MP9

[copper ice]

different opinions is one thing but the spreadsheets don't lie baby

[eager spire]

But i don't remember a single person actually complaining about either the MP9 or the M5A3 CC

[copper ice]

mmmm numbers mmmmmm

[arctic grove]

Delete all guns and keep vehicles

I wanna play a war thunder parody

Made by dice themselves

[flat fern]

i want to see new cards and skin，no gameplay display it

[solar tinsel]

Heck, I would love a 4th badge slot for the playercard. Where am I gonna put the S4 badge? 😆

[copper ice]

i wish dice had a dedicated position for spreadsheet expert

[eager spire]

Spreadsheet Analyzer @ DICE

[frail sparrow]

what are your current badges though

[acoustic seal]

@ dice, i will go through and fix your attachment stats for a one time fee of $100

[solar tinsel]

S1-S3 T1 ha

[fervent rose]

they nerfed CC ammo because the m5a3 was too strong at every role

[copper ice]

and it still is

whoopsie

[fervent rose]

it's still arguably the best AR

[frail sparrow]

ah nice xd

[pliant acorn]

Is there really a bad gun tho

[eager spire]

also, inb4 maxiq isn't invited to play seasons early anymore

[pliant acorn]

I feel like everything is good if u use it right

[fervent rose]

the acw-r is pretty mediocre

[frail sparrow]

i dont even know maxiq

[eager spire]

most of the portal weapons are mid by design

[acoustic seal]

portal ARs, the other pistol that's not the glock

[tranquil star]

Portal weapons are mostly piss poor

[patent prism]

MP28? The SIG P320 in that weirdo chassis?

[tranquil star]

Pointless additions if they are clearly a tier below 2042 weapons

[eager spire]

according to DICE in a podcast, the portal weapons were added simply due to overwhelming demand for it

[fervent rose]

if they tweak them all like the m16 they wont be

but will they fix them

[tranquil star]

Yeah but signs are they won't 😦

[white ginkgo]

has anyone else had issues with game just freeze framing completely as if u lost wifi or some shii and forces a game restart?

[tranquil star]

And no point them being there if they aren't even a little competitive

[solar tinsel]

Im glad they were added, although I think a lot of people hoped (myself included) they could be kitted with 2042 attachments, have more cosmetics, and some sort of progression system for unlocks

[eager spire]

yeah but that would've required time and effort and they didn't have time and they weren't planning on putting in the effort anyway

[fervent rose]

there's a lot wrong with portal guns even outside of how they perform in shooting

[solar tinsel]

They said at one point they didn't do that because they thought folks would prefer MORE, personally, I'd rather of had 1 extra weapon a season or so if it meant that degree of integration. I get you can't make everyone happy, but still.

[fervent rose]

they sound so lame

[solar tinsel]

but at least its better than not at all I admit

[fervent rose]

pp2000 is like an airsoft smg

[patent prism]

I kinda don't care for the Vault weapons. Any of them. Not particularly because they're bad (which they coincidentally are) but they just feel so fucking meh aesthetically and boring to play with.

They don't really "fit in" with the game, if that makes sense.

[solar tinsel]

to be honest, if every season had 4 new weapons, then I'd probably be less inclined to care about vault weapons, but considering the game started with a low weapon count, and it took so long to get new weapons to us, it seemed like the only alternative

It's one of those situations that IMO stems from the launch state of the game

if we had 35 weapons at launch and a stream of 4-5 new per season, would likely be a non-issue

[tranquil star]

Yeah agree. But they need work to follow up on that band aid

[patent prism]

I wish they would have "updated" the original guns, e.g. making the AKS-74U riddled with Zenitco shit to allow the full 2042 selection of attachments

[fervent rose]

some of the ports are good additions to the game. like Rex and the Gol

[solar tinsel]

but it also makes you wonder why, from the very beginning, the OG portal weapons weren't built with integration into the full game from the ground up (ie, more attachments, cosmeitc options, etc.)

[tranquil star]

Atm it's basically a "35 guns" sort of

[fervent rose]

but man why port so many so fast if they arent gonna play well

[eager spire]

there are a lot of things that make you wonder in this game

[solar tinsel]

again, all comes down to original vision and pre-production I think

it's a ripple effect, pun not intended

[eager spire]

I would love to see what the original vision was

[acoustic seal]

hazard zone

[solar tinsel]

it almost makes you wonder if there was a SOLID original vision, a fleshed out one (which I dont think there truly ever was) if the just stuck with it without interference, would it have been better

[eager spire]

allegedly, but I would like to actually be able to prove that

[solar tinsel]

again, that depends on how good the actual idea was

[patent prism]

I just hope the next Battlefield game will be better thought out and better planned.

[solar tinsel]

if it was just "shit - EA wants us to make a BR ok what can we do that makes it Battlefieldy" it likely still would have been bad, even if they didn't pivot

[fervent rose]

yea i think the game was always trying to both do 128 and hazard zone. the whole "it's a battle royale first" rumor makes no sense to me after the firestorm flop

[solar tinsel]

having new leadership is at least a good thing

and Zampella's credentials are good

time will only tell though

[solar obsidian]

there are two facts that always stems from the same players

"there are too far between points"

"there are two many spawn points, and vehicles on demand"

[patent prism]

In hindsight this makes me sound a little like a fanatical NSDAP supporter in late April of 1945 talking about how the Red Army will be beaten back and the Endsieg is still a possibility.

[solar obsidian]

can we at least be happy with some variety or we just gonna vanish further down to all maps feeling the same

[vagrant saffron]

https://discord.com/events/140933721929940992/1077182833057083442

[pliant acorn]

I'm 2nd to press interested do I get a prize

[shell ermine]

Was the P90 buffed recently? It feels better

[pliant acorn]

It was nerfed

[low timber]

Huh, Dice has upgraded the Dealmaker skin for the PP-29
It didn’t used to have a unique standard magazine model.

[patent prism]

Hopefully DICE doesn't have a mass exodus of developers before the next Battlefield game so that people who have experience with making 2042 a decent game actually can apply their lessons learned in the next title and we can hopefully, eventually, maybe, potentially get an at least tolerable game at launch.

[spiral folio]

Bf1-2

The game to end all games

[pliant acorn]

Did this server used to have a BFV channel

Or is 2042 special

[spiral folio]

There's a plain "battlefield" room

[pliant acorn]

Yea but

[spiral folio]

For the previous titles

[eager spire]

yes when BFV was the current game

[pliant acorn]

Where's the Battlefield mobile channel

[eager spire]

nowhere

because it's dead

[spiral folio]

The whatwhat

[patent prism]

ha, you funny man

[pliant acorn]

I didn't even know that was a thing until like a minute ago

It isn't avaliable in my country

And now I want to play it

[eager spire]

well you're not gonna play it

because it's dead

it got cancelled

[pliant acorn]

I'm going on strike

Where's EA's buiding at

Or dice

[eager spire]

you can google it

but EA/DICE weren't even the ones working on it

[copper ice]

HZ is more like tarkov than a BR

they jumped at the other cash cow

[solar tinsel]

and it didnt even do the Tarkov thing will ha. It boiled down to a 1 flag CQ match, which happened twice, for me personally

[fervent rose]

i mean i guess

more like 2% of a tarkov game

[solar tinsel]

I would have enjoyed it it more if it was open exfil or something like Dark Zone (or whatever tis called in the division) and yeah ALL gear and attachments had to be picked up

[eager spire]

companies making Tarkov-likes is stupid

[solar tinsel]

no super wild micromanage inventory or anything like managing magazines, but like

[fervent rose]

no loot, no gun system, no simulation, no bosses, the maps arent unique or well done, its not a tarkov game

[eager spire]

because Tarkov isn't even a good game

[solar tinsel]

make a lite loot system, and build your loadout from that and you lose it if you die. The credits system was silly

[solar obsidian]

jesus mini led sucks balls

[solar tinsel]

and the 2 exfil only thing again boiled it down to a one flag CQ at the end

[fervent rose]

Tarkov could be a 10/10 amazing pve/coop game I think

[solar tinsel]

plus being able to respawn over and over defeated the purpose

[eager spire]

but it's not and it never will be

[topaz field]

https://battlefieldtracker.com/bf2042/profile/origin/Triplexxx44/overview does this look legit?

[eager spire]

because the people working on it don't wanna do that, they wanna make an MMO that's a pain in the ass

[fervent rose]

well, their next game supposedly will be that

[solar tinsel]

How does Warzone handle exfil in its DMZ mode?

[solar obsidian]

you call in helicopters that pick you up

[solar tinsel]

ok so you can do it freely and more or less shape your play experience?

[solar obsidian]

the helicopter is not a vehicle you interact with, players can ambush you while its still on the ground

[copper ice]

imagine calling in a hind to pick you up and flatten the entire map

[eager spire]

"their next game" implying they'll make a next game and won't just drag out Tarkov's development forever to get sales from the "Beta"

[pliant acorn]

Why

[copper ice]

rust moment

[solar obsidian]

no, there are specific places that randomly selected at the start of the match

[fervent rose]

Sure, I just think they are building stuff that could eventually be really fun in a pve game. you can already do some very interesting stuff with offline tarkov modding

will they? who knows

[solar tinsel]

ok, but I guess can, in theory, everyone exfil successfully?

[solar obsidian]

but there are multiple goals to chase in dmz, its very much a pick your own goals when starting

[solar tinsel]

like anyone can call out when ready

[solar obsidian]

sure everybody can if they survive yes

[eager spire]

I have no faith in BSG, Tarkov is genuinely an exercise in how badly you can treat a playerbase and still keep them around

[dapper river]

mfs be like "DICE needs fix the controller layout" like uhh can't you fix it yourself?

[solar obsidian]

all players can call a heli

when they are at the points

[solar tinsel]

yeah, see to me that makes the experience substantively different from regular CQ

with HZ, boiling down to limited objective just made it the same thing

with respawns even

[solar tinsel]

there are some things unfortunately that can't be done even with custom bindings on controller

[solar obsidian]

dmz have a large selections of objectives you work through a season and unlock skins and cosmetics with

[solar tinsel]

for example, if you wanted to make L1/LB your plus system again, you can't unless you also want it to be your switch weapon button

[solar tinsel]

thats cool, I haven't played COD since MW3, but I like what they did with that it seems cool

[dapper river]

sad!

Me, a keyboard and mouse player: "Hmm that's odd, I have to remember to use the '5' key again!"

[solar obsidian]

so much have changed since then,

every weapon is projectile based now

[solar tinsel]

in a weird way it feels closer to Battlefield these days, I heard people complain about the CoD gameplay "slowing down", Im like, oh Battlefield?

[solar tinsel]

Also I have a question for you PC folks

when you throw your grenade do you have auto-throw on?

[fervent rose]

its slower than bf now imo, the sprint out times, ads times, etc

[dapper river]

me personally? no.

[solar tinsel]

thats the thing, BF has gotten faster and COD seemingly slower

[solar obsidian]

there is a setting to enable quick throw

[solar tinsel]

yes but here's what I noticed

[eager spire]

MW22 tried to make CoD into a tactical shooter

[fervent rose]

bf wasnt ever really "slow" except for bf1

[eager spire]

it sucks ass

[solar tinsel]

I turned that on after the new L1/LB binding

[fervent rose]

but cod was always fast. and now it isnt

[solar tinsel]

but the way auto throw works for me in this game

[eager spire]

yup and BF1 sucked ass because of that

[solar tinsel]

is if I have multiples of a grenade, it will throw ALL of your grenades at once nonstop

[arctic grove]

He looks a bit too good in my opinion-

[solar obsidian]

dont for me

[solar tinsel]

wait really?

So with autothrow on

and say: smokes

[solar obsidian]

we talking battlefield right ?

[solar tinsel]

you press L1, and it throws ONE grenade?

yeah

[solar obsidian]

im on mouse and keyboard,

it just throws one

[solar tinsel]

interesting....

im on PS5

if I have a smoke or EMP out and I press L1/LB (with auto throw on)

it will swap to grenade and start tossing all your nades one after another

[solar obsidian]

lol

controller issues

[solar tinsel]

admittedly, they didn't design the system from the ground up to do it because before it was meant to be press up to put nade in hand, then R2 to throw

which I USED to do

but now since grenade is now in a more sensible location, auto throw is viable

but it doesnt actually do it like it used to in older games

oy vey, well then sounds like a console bug, thanks for the confirm

[fervent rose]

i think it works like that on controller on pc too

weird controller bug

[solar tinsel]

DICE plz

[eager spire]

"In the Great War, people dug holes and threw things at each other. It's a bit like a children's sandbox, just with an abundance of missing limbs."

[arctic grove]

Is it just me or is Camila Blasco going to be a big' trouble?

[eager spire]

what makes you say that

[solar tinsel]

I think she'll be a fun counter but I don't know if she's going to break the game in any major way, or if she'll even be a BiS Recon

[fervent rose]

shes only trouble if you crutch on prox balls/paik

[arctic grove]

I just think she will "cover" the enemies on the radar and ruin the game for enemies

[arctic grove]

Ah yeah, makes sense

[solar tinsel]

yeah, for what its worth her passive doesn't prevent active spotting, only the device does

[eager spire]

I don't think that's actually gonna happen

[topaz field]

he went like 75+ with like 10 kills. kept on killing us from some weird ass angles

[arctic grove]

Well, i havent really read her skills, i've just heard about her

[eager spire]

the radius on her device doesn't seem that good

[arctic grove]

wtf

[arctic grove]

Thank you

[fervent rose]

just look at the weapon page. very much not real stats

[patent prism]

Camila Blasco is probably going to be my main specialist once Season 4 drops. I like sneaky flanks and T-UGS and Proximity Sensor have been a pain since they were made gadgets.

[solar tinsel]

I'm curious as to how you formed this opinion without reading her skills, but hey to each their own 😆

I am hopeful that she will be well balanced

I think she fits a nice role that Battlefield hasn't really seen much

but that doesn't necessarily become a meta or OP

[arctic grove]

I just believed she was completely invisible on the rarder.

[acoustic seal]

she would be a lot more relevant if anyone actually looked at the minimap in this game

[solar tinsel]

ah definitely not

[solar obsidian]

i might learn to play at 60hz with how fucking clean it looks until dice fix there engine and update there games

with bfi*

[patent prism]

I think Blasco rolling with a suppressor and subsonics is going to be able to inflict a lot of damage on any enemy team.

[solar tinsel]

Im actually trying to do this more, and hoping icon scaling will help out a bit with that

[fervent rose]

subsonics dont work properly right now

[copper ice]

its hard to look at the mininap when its so fucking small

[patent prism]

How so?

[solar obsidian]

how it is small? xD

[fervent rose]

ever since the new damage indicators that show individual hits, subsonics dont work

its a bug or they changed it

[solar tinsel]

thats specifically when paired with the heavy suppressors right?

[patent prism]

They remove the tracer of the projectile though

[copper ice]

Tiny little square in the corner

I need that shit boosted

[fervent rose]

true but they say they do more than that in the description still

[solar obsidian]

small monitor issues

[patent prism]

Yeah, only with heavy suppressors do you get the hit indicator stealth.

[fervent rose]

except it's bugged now

[solar tinsel]

ah thats too bad

[copper ice]

Unfortunately I can't afford to drop fat stacks on a big one

[solar tinsel]

also not many weapons even have that

[copper ice]

they probably forgot it existed

[fervent rose]

ye

[solar tinsel]

so subsonics for all other weapons is essentially just to hide tracer fire right?

[patent prism]

Truly a tragedy.

• DM7 Suppressor and Subsonic user

[copper ice]

some weapons have longer range with subsonics

[patent prism]

Yep

[solar tinsel]

dang

[copper ice]

like the pf51 pistol

[solar tinsel]

right but at that point you're just hiding tracers then

the real magic is the tracer + heavy suppressor

(well, when it worked)

[copper ice]

no i mean it has literally longer range

[solar tinsel]

oh gotcha

[copper ice]

like from 10m to 20m

[solar obsidian]

im amazed how often this small section of attachment can break the game

[copper ice]

i think its because subsonic shares standard issue damage stats (sometimes) and default ammo on some weapons is close combat

[solar tinsel]

itd be cool if the stats screen actually provided relevant meaningful stats like: base damage at X meters, damage dropoff start, etc.

Its like: range went from "50 to 40" ok great what does that mean haha

[copper ice]

it is fucking insane that the stats menu tells us nothing in a game based around using multiple attachments on the fly

like it's actually insane

[patent prism]

It's actually rather fun even if only hiding your tracers. I have a couple fun memories of watching people run around confused because they couldn't tell where precisely I was shooting from, and by the time they had figured it out I usually have my kill-shot on it's way.

[fervent rose]

holy fuck subsonic g57 @copper ice

i never looked

[copper ice]

G57 SUPREME

[patent prism]

Unironically a powerhouse.

[arctic grove]

Why is the Bf2042 fanbase often so toxic?

Has it always been there?

[patent prism]

It's an online multiplayer game.

Period.

[fervent rose]

"why are people not carebears"

figure it out

[arctic grove]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[solar tinsel]

it's online. period 😆

[acoustic seal]

you'd be pissed too if you were playing this game

[patent prism]

Pretty much, yeah.

[arctic grove]

Thats correct.

[copper ice]

5btk to 74m

[fervent rose]

i honestly couldnt believe the graph

g57 supremacy

[arctic grove]

My cat is better at Battefield 2042 than my squamates are.

[copper ice]

Only downside is less bullets in the mag but its still like 18 shots

imagine getting one burst by the g57 at 70m away

[umbral basin]

@wary marlin will 2042 be playable on Steam deck, i noticed you added support for the other battlefields recently which is greatly appreciated, the new season looks awsome and id really like to get stuck in to it 👍

[arctic grove]

#1077689769246593044

Idk

[naive sandal]

Yayyy the F35 is FINALLY getting a turn speed buff

[slow badge]

Dose anyone know if battlefield 2042 is crossplay between ps4 and ps5

[solar obsidian]

of course not

[fervent rose]

those are two separate versions

[copper ice]

old gen cant run it

[fervent rose]

cant play together

[slow badge]

Anyone on ps4 want to play battlefield 2042

[solar obsidian]

meanwhile 10 year old cpu and a decently modern gpu can run this game with current gen

[solar tinsel]

and jets in general better movement it seems

[solar obsidian]

sandy bridge is 12 years

fuck me

suddenly old

[wary marlin]

We don't officially support Steam deck for Battlefield 2042

[plucky chasm]

I wish the update would release earlier

[pastel loom]

7th March for the ps plus
aaaaaa

[plucky chasm]

Damn lol

@pastel loom

[pastel loom]

First and last time I played was during the ps trial

[plucky chasm]

Damn

Well it's a lot better since then I admit it is fun in short bursts

Still not fully complete tho

Missing basic bf features

[eager spire]

local pistol defeats full sized SMG's

"fuck logic" says unnamed developer

[spiral folio]

Aim harder

[eager spire]

but why, DICE said SMG's aren't supposed to reward accuracy

[plucky chasm]

Yea that pistol is pre op

[spiral folio]

Don't use a smg

[eager spire]

you ok

[plucky chasm]

We talking about the Glock right surely it gets a nerf

[eager spire]

obviously not using an SMG would solve the problem but it doesn't make this situation make any sense

[arctic grove]

Is 12m auto nerfed yet?

I feel like it is

[eager spire]

no

[plucky chasm]

Where's patch notes for S4 update

[spiral folio]

Because 1 well placed shot is more than 10 badly placed ones

[arctic grove]

https://www.ea.com/games/battlefield/battlefield-2042/news/battlefield-2042-update-notes-4-0-0?isLocalized=true

[plucky chasm]

Thanks

[arctic grove]

Scroll down

[slow badge]

Anyone want to play DTM on ps4

[copper ice]

they don't seem to want to nerf anything

[plucky chasm]

Wait it says I can switch sides

[copper ice]

or buff anything

[plucky chasm]

Is that a new feature or

[copper ice]

look how anaemic the 4.0 changes are

[plucky chasm]

To which bit

[plucky chasm]

That sucks

[solar tinsel]

I feel like thats normally the case when new seasons drop, it's more of a focus on the new content than it is balance or QoL stuff.

[fervent rose]

it did get nerfed yes

[copper ice]

that's still lame

[fervent rose]

still an automatic shotgun with a drum

[solar tinsel]

idk id rather have new content than QoL for a given update. I wouldn't be surprised if 4.1.0 has more QoL stuff in it

[copper ice]

i don't want more unbalanced things

i want them to fix the broken thingsa

[solar tinsel]

I mean, sure but nothings ever going to be perfectly balanced in games like these. There will always be a meta

[plucky chasm]

Fuck lis range got nerfed

Fuck their dumb

[eager spire]

I would like more QoL stuff to be honest

[solar tinsel]

told you it would happen

[fervent rose]

game needs more QoL stuff badly

[eager spire]

Yes it got nerfed, but it's still buffed from how it was originally

[copper ice]

i'm not talking perfect balance or even meta changes, i'm talking about shit like tanks being literally immortal because of irish APS

[eager spire]

Just not buffed as hard

[plucky chasm]

Yea sadly

[wide shore]

From the footage I’ve seen. The new map actually looks pretty cool. I’m excited for it

[copper ice]

this isn't a minor fix

this is a constant

[solar tinsel]

I think you need a mix of both, my point is, seasonal updates tend to have less QoL/balance and the mid seasons often do

[fervent rose]

like i would really like to be able to swap squads easily to get better spawn points

[plucky chasm]

Still no one's gonna pick lis now

She's gonna be useless

[rocky kraken]

Mid season updates actually bring good fixes

[wide shore]

People will still pick Lis. Lol

[copper ice]

nah, lis will get picked exactly the same amount as before

[solar tinsel]

I doubt it, I wouldnt e surprised if Lis is still most picked

[rocky kraken]

Seasonal drop is just content

[copper ice]

because her alternatives are still worse than her

[plucky chasm]

Her range is what made her good

Idk man

[wide shore]

She has always been good wym

[fervent rose]

450m is fucking massive

[solar tinsel]

I still think theyll need to buff Boris/Crawford to make them more selectable

[copper ice]

her ability to actually hit helis through flares is what makes her picked

[plucky chasm]

Should be 700

[copper ice]

no one picks AA launcher because it feels like garbage to use

[wide shore]

And she can see damaged vehicles through walls

[fervent rose]

her buffed range let way too many people fire the rocket up just to find targets

[eager spire]

bruh as if she needed a range of 600 meters in the first place

[fervent rose]

sorry, it was dumb

[solar tinsel]

Yeah, was Lis honestly ever bad to begin with? She was still picked quite a bit, and in 4.0 shes better than her original values still

[eager spire]

She was never bad

[solar tinsel]

exactly

[plucky chasm]

That's what the rocket is intended for yea?

[eager spire]

She was always unnecessary and a fucking stain on the infantry/vehicle balance of this game

[fervent rose]

you shouldnt be using the rocket from behind cover with impunity

[stiff pollen]

Pre buff I could consistently dodge lis missiles. Post buff even if I dodged they just circled back to try again

[solar tinsel]

The net result is, a slightly buffed Lis from her original state

[fervent rose]

you absolutely shouldnt be finding targets from spawn

[wide shore]

I used her before cause she was the only person you could use with a launcher and an ammo box

[copper ice]

the issue is that she should be an agility focused launcher compared to a damage focused launcher, but everyone is picking her just for damage because her alternatives are awful

[plucky chasm]

Yea I should it's a mobile rocket

[fervent rose]

you dont want a good game then

[stiff pollen]

Almost forgot to mention they nerfed her armor Hunter trait so you have to pull out the gadget to detect vehicles

Where she used to passively get walls on them

[plucky chasm]

It's literally a mobile rocket what and the cooldown is slow asf

[copper ice]

flare duration and cooldown means AA launcher is gimped as fuck and not being able to use it on anything but aircraft severely limits it's utility

[fervent rose]

you want a stupid game where you get to blow up every vehicle just because you pick lis

[solar tinsel]

I honestly didnt get that change, I would be in favor of them reverting that

[eager spire]

Lis would've been more balanced if she just had the BF4 SRAW

[solar tinsel]

especially now her rocket is back more inc-heck

[copper ice]

so she can't go ez chasing with c5 i assume

[plucky chasm]

Have you played her her recharge is long

[eager spire]

Like, she just needed to have that instead of TV missiles

and she would be fine

[fervent rose]

no it isnt, and it's infinite ammo

[stiff pollen]

Which players who are hard focused on vehicles will just force respawn to get all her missiles back

[eager spire]

it would accomplish DICE's goals of making her have a high skill ceiling

[solar tinsel]

I suppose

[plucky chasm]

Lol it has to recharge bro?

It's not infinite

[fervent rose]

you said the recharge was long

[karmic egret]

So are those ui changes in the trailer confirmed

[copper ice]

lis recharge is objectively long

[eager spire]

and it would make it so you can't just hide behind cover

[fervent rose]

fuck that lmao

[plucky chasm]

It is yea

[copper ice]

but the reload on everything is long

[stiff pollen]

BO4 fixed this by adding cooldowns that persisted through deaths

Just saying

[solar tinsel]

StevoStaple made their point the other night, they want a single Lis to be able to take down ANY vehicle on their own, pretty much

[copper ice]

sounds good to me

[eager spire]

StevoStaple needs to disconnect their keyboard.

[fervent rose]

@plucky chasm you're simply not good at the game if you think lis cooldown is long or too long

[copper ice]

simply shoot le lissile

[edgy oriole]

hope this doesnt make it even longer to quit and get into a new match. EOR takes too long. i need new match immediately.

[solar tinsel]

sounds like just one more button at most

[copper ice]

nah i was immortal vs 5 lis the other day because i got repaired through her initial burst and then her recharge rate kept her from finishing me off

[solar tinsel]

but it'd be cool if the prompt was

STAY / LEAVE / FIND NEW MATCH

or perhaps

for AoW

[fervent rose]

they said that shorter times / countdowns was coming in a future qol patch

[solar tinsel]

LEAVE / FIND NEW MATCH

[edgy oriole]

I cant wait for the future of gaming to let people skip the EOR mumbo jumbo.

[plucky chasm]

Damn the patch notes were pre small

[stiff pollen]

If it was like Titanfalls or DRG where the pre and post game was fun… but noooo

[copper ice]

don't think about notes, look at new gun and buy skins

buy skins now

holy FUCK i miss titanfall

[plucky chasm]

Legit

[stiff pollen]

Nah it’s just forced WATCH THIS CUTSCENE AGAIN

[edgy oriole]

right as it says victory/defeat we should be already queued into another match. then make EOR screen take as long as it takes to find a match.

[plucky chasm]

What have you even played her

The reload for the rocket is long

[stiff pollen]

Used to be longer

[copper ice]

sorry you have to watch the end round cutscenes to see the COOL SKINS on all the smooth operators that you can buy now you can buy right now go into the battlepass menu and buy the skins now buy them now

[solar tinsel]

I would be in favor of that, or something like a button that appears when you see the top 3 cadence that if you press it, it starts searching

[edgy oriole]

or to just let me quit as it says victory/defeat so i can queue myself in another match as fast as possible

[fervent rose]

you just want to be Lis to be cheat codes

it's not a good take

[solar tinsel]

and the EoR becomes your loading screen for the next match

[copper ice]

the end round cutscenes dont even load the fucking character models half the time

[plucky chasm]

People have shot my lis missle so no she's not a cheat code

[eager spire]

Lis is an unbalanced character, her existence fucks up infantry/vehicle balance and invalidates most other Engineer options in the game, she didn't even need to get buffed in the first place.

[plucky chasm]

You don't like her cus your a vehicle snub

[eager spire]

And i'm saying this as someone that doesn't particularly care for vehicle play in BF

[fervent rose]

i don't like her because she is broken

[plucky chasm]

Also she's an engineer she should be anti air

[copper ice]

flares fuck up aircraft balance and irish fucks up ground balance more than lis does

[plucky chasm]

That's her job

[eager spire]

but even I can acknowledge that she is stupid, her entire concept is fucked up

[fervent rose]

Thank you stevo, I agree with that

She should be anti air

[copper ice]

people pick lis because flares are fucked right now

[solar tinsel]

Lis can still be anti-air

[plucky chasm]

Yea which she is

[fervent rose]

She is currently anti everything

[solar tinsel]

I don't understand the concern even post 4.0

[plucky chasm]

She was always bad at hitting ground targets

Did fuck all dmg

[eager spire]

Lis is Anti-Air, but using TV missiles for that is very fucking easy

[plucky chasm]

On land vehicles

[copper ice]

shes not bad at hitting them but her damage isn't high

[plucky chasm]

Exactly

[eager spire]

Like, it's genuinely so easy, especially with the buff

[fervent rose]

lis does 27 damage to tanks and doesnt have to risk herself at all

[edgy oriole]

crawdad w/jav > lis

[fervent rose]

its not low damage

[plucky chasm]

27 is fuck all mate

[fervent rose]

low would be 8 damage

[eager spire]

27 free damage to tanks

[plucky chasm]

That is like 5 rockets to kill

[fervent rose]

27 free damage.

[solar tinsel]

I mean in all fairness isn't the M5 Recoilless like only 8 more damage?

Isnt the M5 35 dmg?

[plucky chasm]

5 rockets bro

[fervent rose]

27 is 4 to kill

can you do math

[plucky chasm]

Whatever that's still two recharges

[stiff pollen]

5 rockets that every lis will be aiming at a tank

[copper ice]

every single vehicle has a countermeasure that will mean more than 4 shots

[plucky chasm]

Which is like 5 to 6 minutes

[copper ice]

either repair or APS

[stiff pollen]

If you want to solo a tank use c4

[eager spire]

Like i said, Lis should've just had the BF4 SRAW

[stiff pollen]

Or the repair tool

Or mines

[solar tinsel]

also I just disagree with the premise that any single character should be able to on their own take out a vehicle indirectly.

[fervent rose]

lis should not be a counter to tanks

[eager spire]

Would solve all of the problems that currently exist with her.

[solar tinsel]

like Hijinks said, use C5 if you want to one shot a tank

[copper ice]

the issue is, currently we have no counter to tanks other than c5

[fervent rose]

it's actually stupid that people expect to be able to solo tanks as a lis player

[plucky chasm]

Yep vehicle players don't know how to play then they whine

[fervent rose]

thats dumb as fuck

[plucky chasm]

Now we get stupid nerfs

[copper ice]

and it is very easy to avoid c5 outside of squirrels

[solar tinsel]

Lis' role is to CONTRIBUTE to the destruction of vehicles

[edgy oriole]

it shouldnt m5 is a penetrating rocket which makes it only good on light. heavy it takes like 5. so it would have to be 20-23ish.

[eager spire]

Lis didn't even need to be fucking buffed in the first place

[edgy oriole]

unless they buffed it then idk

[plucky chasm]

Why can't we solo tanks we can with c5

[solar tinsel]

not give you a guaranteed destroy on a silver platter hiding behind a rock

[eager spire]

Lis's nerf in this update is entirely justified

[solar tinsel]

then use C5!

[fervent rose]

because you have to take risks with the fucking c5

lis shoots from safety, in spawn

[plucky chasm]

It's more fun using the rocket

[copper ice]

i do think lis is very efficient as an all-rounder and she probably doesn't deserve to be, but irish making tanks immortal is a WAY bigger issue along with heli flares

those continue to go untouched

[solar tinsel]

if you're telling me that a rocket you can steer should be as powerful as C5.....

[fervent rose]

coward gameplay shouldnt be the effective strategy

[plucky chasm]

Funny they don't nerf assualt only engineer

Assualt needs a nerf

[eager spire]

Lis being unbalanced and Irish being unbalanced are both issues that should be dealt with, yes.

[inland creek]

has season 4 released yet

[eager spire]

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY NEED TO BE NERFED ABOUT ASSAULT

[solar tinsel]

Lis is great! She can do an amazing job at damaging vehicles

[copper ice]

zain airburst is overtuned

[fervent rose]

they buffed assault thankfully 🥰

[eager spire]

That's Zain, not Assault.

[plucky chasm]

Says vehicle player lol that's cowardly enough esp if you only do chopper all match

[fervent rose]

2 med pens max now woo

[eager spire]

What's the problem with Assault?

[plucky chasm]

Wtf

[solar tinsel]

Even with the nerf, you're able to do 54 damage to a tank by yourself with the two rockets

[eager spire]

What needs to be nerfed?

[plucky chasm]

Assualt is so broken

[sturdy socket]

AHAAAAA

[solar tinsel]

thats, wonderful! go team! go attack those vehicles!