battlefield-2042

[copper ice]

run irish and your tank ain't dying

[sturdy socket]

that's what I've been saying

literally just make it wire-guided and the entire issue is solved

don't even nerf its damage

[mental delta]

It's not a remake of a BF4 map anyway so it could just be in the same location but another part of it 🙃

[sturdy socket]

or anything else

[plucky chasm]

Yea the tor ones are really easy usually

[solar tinsel]

It could be either Golmud or Karelia. Seems a bit niche to reference a DLC setting, but you never know

[sturdy socket]

wire-guided is difficult to actually aimm

[copper ice]

Nerf flares and people will actually use the AA launcher

[rocky kraken]

sons of the forest just crashed steam store

[tepid briar]

So season 5 is Giants or Goldmud or Zavod right?

[plucky chasm]

Nerf every chopper so lis is easier and buff her speed by 30 percent

[solar tinsel]

A setting inspired by one of those - likely not Zavod

The map itself will be new

[plain hare]

Absolutely agree as someone who plays both infantry and air vehicles

[granite island]

Also

[royal swan]

Wildcat users with the default cannon are the most observant and paranoid vehicles users in the game

[plucky chasm]

We need a night map for 2042 asap

[granite island]

Pls tornado for flashpoint

[plucky chasm]

Hopefully s5 has a night version

[granite island]

Night tornado

[limber orbit]

lol you're right

[sturdy socket]

waiting for the return of missiles hitting through countermeasures like in 4

[copper ice]

Of course you use Lis against aircraft; the AA launcher is fucking garbage when flares are so strong

[sturdy socket]

even the javelin soflam combo sucks

[stiff pollen]

The only way the stinger was useful was when rao had it, and now that he doesn’t it’s useless

[copper ice]

Lissile also has utility purposes like plinking ground vehicles and camping infantry

[stiff pollen]

So now you see every body and their mom run lis

[jovial jay]

No more fancy pansy tech facility, pls give us a Manhattan urban map

[sturdy socket]

i wouldn't have such a problem with Lis if the combo was actually strong

but

[plucky chasm]

I'm buying sons of forest rn

[sturdy socket]

2 people focusing on vehicles doesn't do much anymore

slow travel speed + can't lock out of line of sight

no point in using jav

[copper ice]

The issue is everyone being led to lis because all other options are bad

[plain hare]

The problem right now is flares work like an ECM jammer and charge up incredibly quickly unlike ECM jammer

[sturdy socket]

YES

[granite island]

Yo the range on the super shotgun look kinda nice

[royal swan]

Wildcat default weapons users are more powerful than lis rockets in terms of denying air

[plucky chasm]

Oh it did crash wtf

[limber orbit]

CoH3 and sons of the forest

[copper ice]

And absolutely shit against everything else

[solar tinsel]

Here's a wild Lis balance option: 😂
1.) Make her rocket even STRONGER
2.) Reduce the resolution and refresh rate of the actual TV monitor.

This way, it's less about going for crazy trickshots against helis and being better at AA than the AA launcher, but actually becomes powerful against other vehicles like tanks and can one-shot jeeps just sitting there

[arctic grove]

Crawford is the perfect repair man and Boris turret can be….useful

[limber orbit]

too much to handle lol

[stiff pollen]

Too bad the vast majority of infy are too dumb to pull it

[sturdy socket]

yeah, but if they re-add ECM everyone just uses that and it's just the old flares

so what's the point

[plucky chasm]

Wdym it's perfect rn

[plain hare]

Oh I wasn't saying add ECM back, I was just saying nerf flares the way they are

[granite island]

Lis missiles technically do one shot jeeps

[plucky chasm]

It's balanced to perfection

[granite island]

If you get a direct hit

[copper ice]

Repairbots are already a balance issue and boris is literally the worst specialist in the game

[plain hare]

They should recharge much slower at least

[stiff pollen]

I literally kept telling everybody during season 1 “just pull a wildcat, it invalidates the stealth heli” but nah that was too hard

[solar tinsel]

Im not advocating for it, just stating a way to add balance if people want LIs' rocket to be stronger against ground

[royal swan]

Eh, true but they are harder to kill as they are very paranoid and observant

[sturdy socket]

honestly i'd be cool with flares having less active time

it'd make vehicles duck faster

[royal swan]

Any hit on a wildcat will send it all the way back to spawn

[plucky chasm]

Ohh okay yea that could be possible solution

[sturdy socket]

and not 3 seconds after popping

consider ducking immediately on lock

[royal swan]

Unless there is a Irish or engineer near it

[solid imp]

Those last 2 flares that pop out tho lol

[plucky chasm]

No flares are good rn

[sturdy socket]

wdym

[copper ice]

No need to kill a wildcat running 30mm and air missiles, it's useless against 99% of my team and taking up a slot they could be using for a RAM

[solar tinsel]

Im fine with flares getting nerfed, as well as AA rockets getting better, but if that happens I think Below Radar needs to start blocking locks from infantry launchers too

[stiff pollen]

Wildcat with 30mm aren’t useless 🤨

[solid imp]

Flares active time should be as long as the initial burst that comes out, without the extended extra seconds of those slower few that come out when it's almost done

[sturdy socket]

with the exception of soflam of course

[mental delta]

Or something totally else that nobody thought about yes mostly

[copper ice]

30mm on wildcat is like an 8hk vs infantry with spread

[solar tinsel]

for sure yup. SOFLAM/Tracer darts/Rao

[copper ice]

and no aoe

[sturdy socket]

100%

[plain hare]

Problem with the wildcat is that you usually get the guy on your team sitting in your spawn trying to shoot down a jet for 15 minutes and letting their teammates get farmed by some scrub stealth heli main

[royal swan]

That's just a bad wildcat user

[stiff pollen]

Sounds like a bad teammate. You’re lucky im awesome

[copper ice]

I'd be alright with flares having multiple charges if they were drastically shorter

[limber orbit]

but if the TTK on it was much lower with aoe it would become overused

[arctic grove]

Yea that sounds likea teammate

[solid imp]

30mm is THE counter to repairbots on a transport

[stiff pollen]

If I was there it’d be no issue!

[royal swan]

The best way is to focus on damaging it constantly instead of killing it

[solar tinsel]

I think the wildcat is in a pretty good place, the 30mm shreds

[arctic grove]

wildcat players are crazy AA most of the time

[solid imp]

I think we're saying the same thing 🙂

[copper ice]

I don't want it to have aoe but it shouldnt be 8hk on infantry, it's double 30mms
That shit should tear through people in exchange for no aoe and poor anti vehicle capability

[royal swan]

Breakthrough wildcat on defending is a nightmare

[pine roost]

The wildcat as AA as it stands is great

[copper ice]

Currently you're better off with ram like 90% of the time for utility purposes

[solar tinsel]

Realism aside, it's meant to ensure it doesn't become a BiS choice for the Wildcat

[pine roost]

It just causes issues when your team chooses the ram instead and you have no aa

[copper ice]

Currently the BiS choice is RAM instead

[limber orbit]

yea maybe 4or5hk i dunno i aint no balance expert but 8 is wild with the spread is has

[arctic grove]

Wildcat as infantry is the ram at home💀

[muted mirage]

Hyy plz add me in your server my ID is becalem_force53

[royal swan]

Denying transport helis from attackers is the most effective form of defending

[plain hare]

I don't even know why they put them in the same category tbh

[solar tinsel]

If you're going to have a weapon that absolutely wrecks air, kind of is silly if it's equally good at infantry. It still can deal with infantry though, just a bit slower. Pro/con

[pine roost]

Me neither

[jovial jay]

Here's another idea to nerf lis' missile: Put random unskippable ad on the rocket's screen

[royal swan]

Transport helis will take objectives twice as fast if left alone

[muted mirage]

Plzz guys

[sturdy socket]

LMAO

[copper ice]

The 40mm and 57mm on wildcat are bad at AA and ram comes with AA missiles ALWAYS in a gunner seat along with potentially 60mm flak

[mental delta]

I put another canon on my Wildcat so it's not AA anymore

[pine roost]

Now that the IFV is going to be in the same category it’s just going to skew balance even more

[solar tinsel]

With the exception of the tanks and the choppers, I don't even know why they need categories 😂

[muted mirage]

I want to play with you

[sturdy socket]

speaking of the ifv

[jovial jay]

Lis rocket now sponsored by Raids Shadow Legends

[sturdy socket]

is it gonna be as aids as in 4

[shell ermine]

Man I really hate it when players jeep a condor or hind completely full just to spam repairs so no one can spawn on it

[sturdy socket]

where people go on huge killstreaks cause the gun 3shots

[muted mirage]

Hello plzz

[pine roost]

From what we can gather, the drive gets no gun

[solar tinsel]

I'd rather have each map come with a specific curation of vehicles to be honest, and then let 1 (or more) of each be used

[copper ice]

Why? That's historically what AA has always been good at
It would be balanced through no aoe

[pine roost]

Which just makes it another transport

[sturdy socket]

nice

[muted mirage]

Add me in your server God bless you guys

[stiff pollen]

Ask dice to add the ability to spawn on transports even if they’re full

Since they’re adding it for the CAV

[solar tinsel]

AA has been good at anti infantry?

[copper ice]

AA is either a bunch of guns strapped together or giant flak rounds

[mental delta]

Not too much

[copper ice]

both of those blow people up

[solar tinsel]

Assumedly that's more of the role of an IFV like what we're getting in S4

[muted mirage]

I have plays station

4

Plz add me

[royal swan]

Give the 30mm splash damage

[muted mirage]

Battlefield 20

[copper fulcrum]

Battlefield set in the year 20

[solar tinsel]

I genuinely believe the Wildcat out of all of the vehicles need the least touching up

[copper ice]

When wildcat is in BT and it has 1 single transport heli to fight and it's shit against all ground vehicles and bad against infantry it feels stupid to ever pick it over ram

[plain hare]

I'm excited for the new vehicle in season 4, I just hope they make it a vehicle for PTFOing rather than just farming simulator

[arctic grove]

In exchange for… what buff?

[solar tinsel]

in my opinion, that's just poor vehicle curation on maps and modes

[copper ice]

Multiple charges

[muted mirage]

Hello plzz reply me add me in you serve

[royal swan]

Don't underestimate transport helis

[copper ice]

I agree with this but it's DICE /shrug

[arctic grove]

Oh, sorry if you already mentioned it, a bunch of text up there

[copper ice]

No i hate those bastard things, but it deserves decent damage against infantry too

[stiff pollen]

Mfw the game dev team that’s historically overreacted in buffs or nerfs makes another stupid balance change

[copper ice]

You still have to actually hit them

[arctic grove]

Multiple charges? I feel like you’re maybe referring to what V did with some of its planes if I’m remembering what that is correctly

[plain hare]

Fuck the transports, they're completely unbalanced

[copper ice]

30mm wildcat has like coaxial lmg damage vs infantry and that's infamously bad in 2042

[arctic grove]

Like iirc they had chaff or something

[royal swan]

Then play wildcat

[copper ice]

I'd prefer something like that Levii yeah

[sour meadow]

vehicle play in 2042 is fucked

[solar tinsel]

Multiple charges isn't a terrible idea. It means you could wind up making yourself immune but then you're SOL for a bit. The only issue with that is, jets can just stay out of combat longer to recharge

[mental delta]

Battlefield 6 so it's set in the year 6 ?

[copper ice]

I genuinely cannot think of a way to balance jets which is why i think they shouldnt be pilotable

[jovial jay]

Yea we fight with unga bunga

[royal swan]

Mini gun does splash damage and give more missiles

Boom

[mellow wave]

hey when is the new battlefield update?

[royal swan]

Fixed it

[sour meadow]

feb 28th

[mellow wave]

thanks

[sour meadow]

np

[solar tinsel]

An argument I can make for handheld AA is make their lock-on time drastically shorter, and missle speed much faster, and do a bit more damage - but, reduce their range a bit.

[jovial jay]

That would be ridiculous op

[copper ice]

This is a horrible experience for infantry

[jovial jay]

Splash on a minigun is a delete button lol

[royal swan]

Make it op and we nerf it after the feedback

[jovial jay]

I know this well from battlefront 2

[sour meadow]

best AA in the game is the railtank

[jovial jay]

Specifically the tridroid fighter

[solar tinsel]

ha thats kinda true too

[plain hare]

I think making the current jets good against infantry is a bad idea

[mental delta]

Sorry but it was more of the Romanian empire at that time mate

[jovial jay]

Fast firing explosive laser delete everything it targets

[copper ice]

Historically infantry and jets just don't have much interaction apart from getting bombed from orbit

[arctic grove]

The funny thing about the helis since the topic earlier was on their flares. In the beta, the game unintentionally would let you dodge missiles, super high risk and reward, but for all I remember it worked like 1% of the time

[copper ice]

BF should be about infantry and how they interact with vehicles

[royal swan]

Or just put a shit ton of bombs and missiles on jets

[solar tinsel]

I agree with that, jets do need faster firing cannons though IMO for vehicles. Heck a littlebird honestly has an advantage against a jet, if the littlebird pilot is good

[plain hare]

Absolutely agree

[jovial jay]

Dont give them ideas

[solar tinsel]

the projectile speed is so shit on jets, that any degree of movement needs wild leads, wheras in BF3 the spread was so tight even while turning

[plain hare]

Jets probably should maneuverer a bit better too

[arctic grove]

I mean cmon

[solar tinsel]

agreed

[arctic grove]

Jets really need JDAMs and rockets

They’re so ganked

[jovial jay]

Especially if 3d spotting is back, then jet bombing is gonna be shit show in 2042 lol

[pine roost]

The jet 25s are fully capable of taking out infantry. The jet itself just needs less drift to be able to spend more time in a strafe, and so the cannons don’t fire off to the side due to said drift

[plucky chasm]

I miss bf4 jet movement

[solar tinsel]

literally it fires SO far off to the side ha

[plain hare]

Infantry already gets fucked up enough by air vehicles

[solar tinsel]

again when turning slightly up, the canon shots land behind the instrument panel so you can't even see 😂

[arctic grove]

No they don’t. Not with these many counters

JDAMs then. And a slow firing precise missile

[solar tinsel]

and then it becomes a dumb game of correcting your vision, but doing that fucks up your flight and aim

[arctic grove]

Like the 127mm anti vehicle rockets

[plain hare]

Oh I agree with that

[arctic grove]

(Nobody tell them they’re perfect for anti infantry)

[plain hare]

Thought you meant rocket pods lol

[pine roost]

And by the time you’ve aligned your velocity up with screen centre you have to pull up

[solar tinsel]

If jets got better, I think they would help cutback on the chopper power

[solid imp]

Looks at those 70-0, 80-0, and 90-0 KDs on the leaderboard

[jovial jay]

Oh wait, they havent added any AC-130 gunship kind of vehicle in this game yet

[arctic grove]

SHHHHH

[royal swan]

Give jets tomahawk missles

[arctic grove]

I need muh vehicle options

[jovial jay]

So its still a relief

[solar tinsel]

Jets really should be the shark for those choppers, and then you have Wildcats that can help keep jets in check

[pine roost]

But even then the wildcat only has a 50% of being on the map at any given time, completely butchering that balance concept

[stiff pollen]

Dice making jets absolute shit, then wondering when players cry about choppers being OP

[pine roost]

Soon to be 33% or less

[plain hare]

I'm in favor of making jets more powerful against air vehicles tbh, transports and attack/littlebird/stealth helis shouldn't be able to just farm all day

[solar tinsel]

yeah thats why I actually generally dislike vehicle categories

[tardy tree]

steam is getting fucked to oblivion because of Sons of the forest's release

the servers are crashing so hard

[solar tinsel]

Do we really need categories after all? Again, just curate on a per map basis

[plain hare]

Absolutely

[pine roost]

They need categories, but the wildcat just needs its own with exclusively AA options

[royal swan]

Also ai AA at team spawn

[mental delta]

Some maps would even be better without air vehicles

[solar tinsel]

agreed, and I like to fly jets!

Like: Manifest does not need jets

[granite island]

Crawler vehicle

[mental delta]

I like air vehicles too but for the last two maps they added, air vehicles are more of an annoying thing than a fun thing to play

[plain hare]

Also who thought it was a good idea to put the F-35 against the SU-57?

[granite island]

Walks on walls

[solar tinsel]

and then you know what, on Breakway, give the people TWO jets

[plain hare]

Dumbest shit ever

[mental delta]

Yeah Manifest doesn't need them at all, Kaleidoscope should only get light air vehicles like Nightbird and maybe stealth helis only

[arctic grove]

F35 and SU57 just fit the role dice wanted for
‘What fighter jet will US/RU use in the near future’

[plain hare]

The F35 will probably be discontinued by 2042 lol, NGAD is gonna be the next big thing

[royal swan]

Add Mortar

[solar tinsel]

Yeah it's a weird thing. Sure, you can juke out SUs with the F35 in VTOL, but if you have a really good SU pilot who knows what they're doing, even if you're good in the F35, you might as well give up - you'll either wind up dying or just doing a dumb loop of VTOL + SU circling

[arctic grove]

I read once the F35 isn’t being replaced until the 2070s

[plain hare]

Agreed

[arctic grove]

I don’t

Know if it’s true though

[pine roost]

It kills off any reason to engage in a dogfight because the SU can simply turn faster

[plain hare]

We have no idea when it will be replaced or not, even if then though. This game isn't realistic by any means

[arctic grove]

Of course

[solar tinsel]

yeah, and again. If you have a meh SU pilot, the F35 can juke them with VTOL. But again, if they know what they're doing. No point.

[limpid pond]

Wrong

All of you are wrong

[royal swan]

HE'S BACK

[plain hare]

Why not just add the SU-75 which is gonna basically be "Russia's F35" if they wanna go for "accuracy"?

[royal swan]

[limpid pond]

I am indeed

[solar tinsel]

I do appreciate ***some ***asymmetry, as it prevents stalemating in circles

[limpid pond]

My young child

[limpid pond]

Wrong

[pine roost]

It’s stuff like that, alongside the numerous other bugs present in vehicles especially that has me losing my hope that they’ll ever get any love

[arctic grove]

That’s not why they did it though

[limpid pond]

Also wrong

[royal swan]

I'm going to enjoy this

[solar tinsel]

but you know, it is what it is

[royal swan]

[solar tinsel]

what can you do?

[limpid pond]

This is also wrong

[arctic grove]

The F35 and SU57 are simply both advanced planes and are fit for the near future theme

[limpid pond]

Not be wrong

[solar tinsel]

lol

[pine roost]

Well I think you’re wrong

[solar tinsel]

But yeah new IFV looks fun

[limpid pond]

They're not advanced enough

[royal swan]

Wrong

So fucking wrong

[arctic grove]

They need to be MORE advanced

[limpid pond]

To bad your opinion doesn't matter only mine

And I think you're wrong

Actually I know you're wrong

[arctic grove]

NGAD is a concept rn

[plain hare]

The realism argument is completely pointless, Battlefield 2042 is so incredibly wrong when it comes to things irl

[pine roost]

What if I say I’m wrong

[limpid pond]

Not giving a damn ngad

[pine roost]

Then you saying I’m wrong implies I’m right

[solar tinsel]

Battlefield in general ha

[limpid pond]

No if you say you're wrong I'll agree

[plain hare]

Honestly, putting the F35 against the SU57 makes zero sense from a gameplay stand point

[arctic grove]

Battlefield just sticks to its themes a little bit better

[pine roost]

I’m right

[limpid pond]

Because I said you're wrong and if you repeat what I say you're agreeing with me

So that makes you wrong and we both agree upon that

[plain hare]

Yeah because 2042 is the most accurate representation of the future

[arctic grove]

That’s why it’s called the ‘realistic’ franchise by some. It only deviates from a general theme for gameplay purposes

[limpid pond]

You bastard

[solar tinsel]

Well, some asymmetry is good to help try to break endless circle jerks. It just seems to be a bit dramatic to the extent. It's hardly the worst balance issue in the game though IMO

[pine roost]

I’ve got photo evidence

You cannot erase the past

[limpid pond]

YOOOOOOO

[plain hare]

Absolutely, it's just a decision that makes no sense

[limpid pond]

Send proof

[eager spire]

i feel like that is down to basic lack of understanding

[arctic grove]

Maybe not with the global warming, proxy wars, collapse of the eu and other developed societies, but one little thing I can say 2042 represents the future fine for is it’s weapon and vehicle options

[royal swan]

Wrong, that I agree was a wrong in disguise

[mental delta]

Not realistic though, just happened to be immersive in the previous games but now immersion isn't a thing anymore

[arctic grove]

Yep

[plain hare]

We have no idea what will be used in 2042 and sacrificing game balance for "potential" accuracy is dumb in my opinion

[stiff pollen]

I wish this franchise never attracted the realism crowd cause now we got 400% damage hardcore milsim gulf war servers in portal

[limpid pond]

Send proof of photo evi

[sturdy socket]

lmao that specific server is just full of loser vehicle farmers

[mental delta]

They should have just modernized UH-60 blackhawk instead of condors, would have been better for gameplay

[sturdy socket]

never touching portal again cause of that

[arctic grove]

In general I’m just referring to what you said about 2042s representation of the future

Was not sure we were talking about balancing

[limpid pond]

Wrong

[solar tinsel]

Well, BF has always had a dedicated milsim community (Project Reality for example), and it's cool that it exists. But yes the game itself has never put realism first and thats good

[sharp marten]

I agreee

[pine roost]

At least they get to play in their dedicated servers while we actually have fun

[stiff pollen]

I go into portal hoping to find maybe exodus conquest or 64 player conquest, NAH ITS ALL SHIT HARDCORE SERVERS

[plain hare]

I think we might be on different pages then, I don't have an issue with the F35, it's more-so about game balance

[pine roost]

Aside from my masterful deceptive hardcore server

[eager spire]

but they have certainly tried making it more of a thing, as was the case with BF1.

which was terrible

[stiff pollen]

HARDCORE ZOMBIES GULF WAR SYNDROME 24/7

This is why we can’t have custom servers cause people immediately make shit like this

[solar tinsel]

Im just going to point out that disagree ≠ wrong 😂 so Dread might still be in the right

[plain hare]

The fact they insist on the F35 being less maneuverable than the SU57 due to their real life counterparts being the same makes no sense tbh

[arctic grove]

Sorry bout that, I did know you mentioned f35 vs su57 for gameplay doesn’t make sense but I figured we were just generally talking now, I would agree the jets need better balancing

[arctic grove]

They probably assume VTOL was gonna be a lot more useful than it is

[plain hare]

Nah nah it's my bad, I should've been more specific

[sharp marten]

I don’t even know what I’m agreeing to

[solar tinsel]

nobody does anymore I think ha

[plain hare]

VTOL is garbage in this game, I'd prefer if they didn't even have it because the only time I use it is when I accidentally press Z on my keyboard

[limpid pond]

I am 100% right

[plain hare]

Gotta swap keybinds tbh

[solar tinsel]

Preston concurs that Dread agrees that Fix Heli is wrong. There you go

[stiff pollen]

VTOL mode, also known as instant death mode

[pine roost]

Wrong

[plain hare]

I affectionately refer to it as "The sitting duck maneuver"

[dapper river]

I love spreading misinformation

[mental delta]

Especially on Condors

[limpid pond]

You bastard how did you get gg snas

Sans

[eager spire]

he didn't get anything, you just said that

[limpid pond]

I don't have gg sans available

[eager spire]

kind of weird if you ask me

[arctic grove]

VTOL on condors is manageable because it’s a strong vehicle anyways

But not for very long

[plain hare]

Nah condors are fat fucks who shouldn't be as tanky as they currently are

[mental delta]

Condors shouldn't even get anything else than miniguns

[stiff pollen]

Giving a flying transport the ability to kill tanks was never a great idea

[limpid pond]

Of course it was

[plain hare]

Also there should be more than one jet available

[solar tinsel]

On a per map basis, sure.

[plain hare]

Yeah that is true

[solar tinsel]

Not all maps need more than 1, and some maps honestly dont need any lol

meanwhile, Caspian Border has like: 3? haha

[arctic grove]

I imagine the game has too little maps for that unfortunately… which pisses me off

[limpid pond]

This is agree with

[stiff pollen]

Caspian border being the only map that has a good amount of vehicles is actually maddening

The fact a map from 10 years ago gets more vehicles than 128 player variations of breakaway

[solar tinsel]

Hourglass and Breakaway could be good candidates for 2 jets

[stiff pollen]

[arctic grove]

Ripple Effect not only has some VERY strong vehicles but they actually know how to organize them for us

[pine roost]

As well as how to implement superior jet physics and fix bugs that the 2042 jets couldn’t fix somehow

[stiff pollen]

I’m just complacent that jets are gonna remain shit for not only this games entire life but probably in the next game too

[solar tinsel]

Speaking of maps though, I'm looking forward to Flashpoint using only 1 flag per sector

[pine roost]

I’m too constantly optimistic to just leave

[solar tinsel]

yeahhh probably for this game. Next game will be hard to tell, given new leadership

for all we know, there might not BE any jets 😆

[pine roost]

They don’t ever seem to consult the people who have been using them for more years than they’ve worked there

I for one would imagine that’s a good thing to try

[shell ermine]

Has DICE said anything about the broken vehicle spawn screen?

[copper fulcrum]

It do look good

[solar tinsel]

yeah, some of the points seem interesting to fight in too

[jovial jay]

Really?

I smell chaos

Locker-ish chaos

[copper fulcrum]

There'll be vehicles still

[jovial jay]

Fort de Vaux vibe too

[solar tinsel]

Not necessarily, doesn't seem too chokepointy, to me it just means less wasted effort by teams who cap 2 flags but still it not counting towards tickets

[limpid pond]

Everyone remember the famous quote by George Washington

[solar tinsel]

the interiors I could see being hectic, but thats cool

[limpid pond]

Stay strapped or get clapped

-George Washington

[rocky kraken]

holy crap

[solar tinsel]

thats my favorite quote

[rocky kraken]

steam store is getting rekt

[solar tinsel]

Im surprised it wasn't on the quarter TBH

[pine roost]

Someone mentioned that earlier

Not checked it though but apparently it’s because of the forest

[solar tinsel]

This is going to confuse somebody at some point: https://media.contentapi.ea.com/content/dam/battlefield/battlefield-2042/common/dev-update---feb-23/kin-com-hourglass.png.adapt.1920w.png

[copper fulcrum]

Cave

[solar tinsel]

has the S4 logo on it

[oak sedge]

what's the Season 5 map, I can't tell

[copper fulcrum]

People speculate it can be Zavod, Golmud or Giants of Karelia, but I'm pretty sure DICE said it's a new map

[oak sedge]

the specific mention of a train track makes me think it's Golmud but the concept art shows an area that I am almost positive isn't actually in Golmud

It could be Zavod but I only see the one building, and I don't remember it being in a mountainous region

[solar tinsel]

yeah it will be a new map, it's not a remake

[dusk falcon]

fhey said its a map that hasn't seen battle since battlefield 4, so it'll defo be a remaster of one

[eager spire]

DICE stop remaking or referencing bad maps challenge [impossible]

[solar tinsel]

it's not a remaster

it's a new map in the setting of a previous BF4 map

[copper fulcrum]

They said the area/setting, not the actual map itself

[dusk falcon]

thats what im saying

i hope its zavod

imo best bf4 map

[solar tinsel]

but it wouldnt be Zavod is what Im saying

I actually dont think it's that setting though either

[oak sedge]

it would HAVE Zavod in it but the whole map wouldn't be Zavod, I understand

[solar tinsel]

No not necessarily even. It means, it would be the same region of the world, but the actual playspace would be unique

For example

if its Golmud inspired

it's a new map in Northwest china

with a lot of the same visual asthetics and perhaps some commonality (ie. railroad)

I think it's either Northwest China (Golmud) or Westen Russia (Giants Of Karelia)

I suppose Zavod was russia too, but if I recall there were no mountains right?

and was there even a railway?

[spiral folio]

Russia maps in bf1 so probably china

[dapper river]

Zavod had trains, yes

[spiral folio]

They said the map would be an area not revisited since bf4

[limpid pond]

The dxr is satisfying to use

[solar tinsel]

ah yeah it did fair point

[solar tinsel]

ah missed this, S4 patch notes tomorrow

[eager spire]

maybe they'll actually put all the changes in it this time

:)

[solar tinsel]

probably not, I imagine stuff goes overlooked 😆

probably hard to keep track in all fairness

[pine roost]

They spoke about that in the survey actually

[pine roost]

With all due respect, failing to include the drum mag changes is a huge oversight

[eager spire]

there are quite a few people working at DICE, i can't imagine it's that hard to ask them to keep track of what they're doing

[broken horizon]

[dapper river]

Battlefield 2042 "map rework" starter pack:

[solar tinsel]

Wait was that not in the patch notes for 3.2? ha I agree

[pine roost]

There are other changes that have large impacts that never get mentioned

[eager spire]

no it wasn't. Alex claimed it was because he forgot.

[broken horizon]

containers!

[solar tinsel]

thats pretty funny

[eager spire]

I don't know how he could've forgotten about that, his twitter mentions must've been blowing up when that change was even announced, plus people were actively talking about it in the server prior to the update coming out.

[solar tinsel]

yeah obviously big stuff like that should try to get caught

but life happens too

[pine roost]

Then there’s the moment where they enforced flight assist in season 1

[copper ice]

he forgot it 900 times

[mental delta]

There was all of that

[eager spire]

impressive considering it was in a playtest that was like, what, a week before the update came out?

[plucky chasm]

So true all the crates are cringe

[arctic grove]

Wtf is wrong with crates, sandbags/boxes n shit

I still don’t see how it’s a issue lol(Ik it’s a joke but some ppl actually have a problem with it💀)

[solid imp]

ok tripping while slow crouch walking tho lol

[copper fulcrum]

Bro get better shoes

[fervent rose]

i think its more of a "they just put a couple sandbags here and called it a day"

[clever marlin]

also for people saying that the season 5 map is going to be zavod

[fervent rose]

not exactly true for orbital or breakthrough but some of the reworks arent so impressive

[clever marlin]

zavod has a train line but has no mountains

[eager spire]

IMMERSIVE FEATURE

VERY NECESSARY, THIS IS FUN

[clever marlin]

the map that fits this well is golmud railway

[arctic grove]

This is what happens when u buy bootleg shoes bro💀

[fervent rose]

they already clarified it isnt a bf4 map

which is a good choice tbh

[arctic grove]

Fr

[dapper river]

GOD.
this feature is most certainly a fuckup, I hope they either fix it, tone it down, or outright remove it

[limpid pond]

Yo rush xl is perfect for t1ing guns though

[spiral folio]

Its so crazy a modern combat game would use modern things used in combat

[arctic grove]

Ironically it happens on breakaway more then any other map💀

[fervent rose]

its just funny that these maps were lacking these basic expected assets

[dapper river]

it's not modern, it's future

[spiral folio]

"We want cover"
-devs add cover-
"why always same cover"
-jawa shrug-

Barely future

[frail sparrow]

what, you don't like containers?!

[spiral folio]

20 years the war in ukraine will be winding down

[arctic grove]

Still imo

Add more dead tank carcasses

Or mortar/artillery holes lol

[fervent rose]

i think they are already pushing their asset counts

the whole "giant map" thing doesnt work out when you run into those tech limits

[arctic grove]

Yeaaaaaaa

[fervent rose]

maybe in 10 years they could do 128 right with the level of detail we expect

[arctic grove]

Really

U expect the PS6 to do something

[fervent rose]

more like ps7

lol

[eager spire]

detail isn't really the problem, it's more than 128 just consistently plays like ass unless you like random unpredictable bullshit all of the time

[fervent rose]

except the word detail impacts gameplay here. we lack cover

[spiral folio]

128 hourglass would play a lot better than 128 orbital though cause the damn trees

[fervent rose]

its not the artistic small details like Siege of Shanghai clutter/trash, its the important assets that actually affect gameplay that they need more of

and they dont have enough for all of it

[spiral folio]

That and the whole dynamic effects on grass and trees

Sand just does sand things

[eager spire]

i hate sand

[slender hare]

hate this thing

[slender hare]

anakin!!!

[spiral folio]

Its course and ruff and ear it eighteen

[fiery solar]

Hourglass rework I’ve been waiting and complaining for since season 1 is coming in July or august🙏

[slender hare]

[fiery solar]

Remember never let your dreams stay as dreams

[spiral folio]

Hourglass sector 1 on BT will be the courtyard at the end. Then flags b1 and b2 will be the rooftops
C1 will be the open area, d1 and d2 will be the lobby floors and e1 will be the roof again

For maximum badness, stealth choppers are enabled

[fervent rose]

if it doesnt end at the stadium they fucked up

[fiery solar]

No I was thinking fully enterable interiors with penthouses and npcs playing Xbox

They should just make it like the spearhead layout

A worm shape and add shit to that

[spiral folio]

The next sector will be the entire length from the city to the stadium

[fervent rose]

you push through the city, then the highway, then the stadium

that would be good

[spiral folio]

With 3 flags to take

[fervent rose]

you could make that 4 sectors

[fiery solar]

There’s a hole just appearing I don’t know what that’s gonna do

[spiral folio]

Nah 3 is the ideal choke sector

Theyre all too far apart

Rooftop only flags

[fiery solar]

Just want better lighting and textures it looks like a test map

The lighting from the trailer

[fervent rose]

there's a new tunnel somewhere

[fiery solar]

Before the added lighting kicks in the maps look real

[fervent rose]

But we'll see if its just a joke or a big change like Orbital

[fiery solar]

They could just not have done that the map looks like it has natural lighting but then they force it brighter

Every launch map

[plucky chasm]

Then no more updates 😦

[copper ice]

Alas, classic battlefield moment

[spiral folio]

Isnt hourglass where the world cup was

The sand is like the bones of the fallen that built the stadium grounds

[limpid pond]

Welp now starts my journey of becoming good again

I can't do claw anymore

Gotta use a controller with paddles

[low timber]

54 more kills to T1 the NVK-S22 shotgun

[spiral folio]

Don't do it

[drowsy shuttle]

nice. i need to t1 that.. but i hate shotguns in bf 2042.. cause maps are too big and wide for shotguns.. so its a very situational weapon... sucks

[stable sail]

i wonder if BF2042 will be abandonware after SE05

[low timber]

And the pellet spread rng doesn’t help, many times I’ve shot at an enemy to just make a perfect bullet hole silhouette around them

[stable sail]

play rush ez

[drowsy shuttle]

most likely

[stable sail]

esp that Rush Xl

XL

You'll prob see me on there saying SMOKE PUSH

And then also throwing c5 on legit anyone I can

[spiral folio]

Even bf1 still gets basic maintenance updates so they dont fully ditch games for quite a while

[drowsy shuttle]

im playing rush XL to get Irish to t1... yesterday destroyed almost 300 projectiles in one single match of rush XL (Stranded)

[spiral folio]

I dont know if bf4 gets compatability updates or whatever

[stable sail]

it doesn't.

[spiral folio]

That's when its unsupported

The term abandonware means when a game dev/publisher doesnt even care about the copyright anymore

So something like a game for the amiga or a dead system

You could have said that about like fallout 1/2 tactics until bethesda started re-releasing em

[stable sail]

BF1 hasn't gotten an update since 1.27 lol

And BF5 was left off at their summer update

[spiral folio]

Not updates
Just support

[stable sail]

It's abandonware tbh

[spiral folio]

Like compatability patches are all it gets

Again not what abandonware is

[stable sail]

Show me the last time it got a compatability patch on PC lol

[spiral folio]

Support and totally abandoned are not the same thing

[stable sail]

I mean, they don't really support it other than hosting it on the same server farm.

[spiral folio]

Like

• actively updated
• Rarely updated
  -no updates but compatability patches
  -no updates
• abandoned
  -open source

[stable sail]

I haven't seen a single update for BF1, BF5 in years lol

[spiral folio]

And you never will.
The most theyll do is like go
"Bf1 needs an update"
"Whats the update"
"Nothing"

Those are usually like compatability patches not changes to the game

You wont see bug fixes for bf1 at this point for sure

Or balance changes for bf5 by now

Unless theres some massive security flaw they won't

[stable sail]

https://steamdb.info/app/1238840/history/ You could've just posted the steamdb

instead of repeating compatibility patch compatibility patch

[spiral folio]

Seems like work

[stable sail]

less work than repeating yourself lol

[spiral folio]

Looking for something that might not exist
Explain something with a keyboard i already have right here

Seems like more work

[stable sail]

aite

So it's NOT abandonware but it's totally not supported anymore lol

other than occasional gamebreaking or serverbreaking fixes

[spiral folio]

Yes
Abandonware is super old or obscure stuff

[stable sail]

I know what it really is

[spiral folio]

Ie games that you see appear on those chinese pirated fake NES mini games with 600 games on em

[stable sail]

I just wanted to be generic lmao

and a bit dramatic

Honestly we'll probably see a new BF the end of this year or start of next year lmao

Knowing DICE and their schedules

"This is our last specialist" rang the bells for me

[sturdy otter]

we have season 5

before that

[spiral folio]

They may plan projects out biquarterly depending on sales

So like depending how s2/3 go that determines past s5

[stable sail]

Maybe and they def have enough crew to just bang out skins and a map

[spiral folio]

They aaid last specialist but they didnt say last season

[stable sail]

But game isn’t getting any other major gameplay updates it looks like

[spiral folio]

Far as i know

[stable sail]

Pretty much seems that way

[spiral folio]

Likely s5 could be the last

And really theres nothing stopping them from adding another specialist like "we changed our minds" what are people gonna do

[fervent rose]

abandoning a third game in a row would be really great

[copper ice]

Specialist is a lot more work

[fervent rose]

[copper ice]

You need voice lines, you need skins, you need the model work

Adding gadgets is comparatively much easier

[spiral folio]

Unless you make it a robot

[copper ice]

I would kill for a robot

[fervent rose]

and specialists upset the balance a lot if you add something poorly thought out

[copper ice]

Why couldn't we have had 2143

[spiral folio]

Like my super-ranger idea

[fervent rose]

like Hale was supposed to have RC with explosives

thank you for cutting that

[copper ice]

please god no no game has ever made RC with c4 work

them shits were evil in blops and have been since

[fervent rose]

all they need to do is add maps and guns

[stable sail]

I mean its not like they need even hundreds of voice lines

Maybe 200 total

Since they toned down the specialist

[copper ice]

that's a lot of lines when you consider they have to pay the actor

They don't want to spend money at this point

[fervent rose]

theres a shit ton of voice work for 2042 specialists

like way more than you realize

[spiral folio]

It was easy to add the new specialist cause their abilities dont do anything

[copper ice]

You can pass up map design as a learning experience for your devs moving into the next game but a voice actor provides nothing but costs

[stable sail]

I mean I’ve gone through VA work processes before

[spiral folio]

"Careful stepping" oh good.. i can walk around like the update didnt happen.

[copper ice]

Their passive is pointless LOL

[spiral folio]

Jammer
Cant wait for this to help everyone except me

[copper ice]

It'll help for Tugs but like thats it

[spiral folio]

Yea tugs and the claymores nobody uses

[stable sail]

Jet lock ons to tanks or javvies

[fervent rose]

if casper / proxy ball cant see you thats kinda cool

[stable sail]

Oh for passive

It’ll help against Boris bot

Which I see more people using

[copper ice]

I think passive will help against proxy ball but probably not casper

[spiral folio]

The jammer i dont know what all it effects

[copper ice]

Jammer might help against Casper

[stable sail]

any heat based support gadget

[copper ice]

Wait you mean casper passive

[fervent rose]

maybe not casper drone but definitely his motion sensor

[spiral folio]

But like its as lackluster of a recon as i expected

[copper ice]

shit i didnt think about that

[solid imp]

proxy and t-ugs I think

[copper ice]

ok thats cooler than i originally thought

[stable sail]

Prob Boris gun too

[fervent rose]

thats why they have her zap casper

in the trailer

[solid imp]

I think boris zaps you even if you aren't moving though

[copper ice]

still, like, something that should be for paik though

[solid imp]

it specifically says "motion-based gadgets"

[spiral folio]

If they added a GOOD recon like a sniper focused recon with a wildly different weapon. Thatd change a lot of balance

[stable sail]

It says heat based doesn’t it

[spiral folio]

But adding [namehere] really doesnt change anything

[stable sail]

Not motion based

[stable sail]

Ah

[copper ice]

swap her passive with paiks and you've got an actual close range recon

[stable sail]

Gotcha

[solid imp]

so won't counter paik

or thermals

[stable sail]

Tbh idk why they putting her in reco

[copper ice]

So you can have a recon in your invincible tanker squad now

[fervent rose]

all the spotting gadget stuff is recon, anti spotting makes sense too

[solid imp]

buuuut... I would bet her gadget counters rao

[copper ice]

Jammer, APS, two lis

[stable sail]

Another gadget that engineers need

[copper ice]

tank is now immortal

[stable sail]

That are not going to engineers

[fervent rose]

also the stealth person having a free spawn beacon is what you want

[stable sail]

Irish shoulda been an engi tbh

[copper ice]

all i can think about is how this benefits tanks more

[stable sail]

Boris a support lol

[copper ice]

nah god fuck that can you imagine irish with aps AND repair tool

[solid imp]

Boris needs love for sure

[copper ice]

[stable sail]

Ya I can imagine

[fervent rose]

Surely they won't have created a double bubble of tank invulnerability

[stable sail]

We used to run it

[solid imp]

hahaha there's Irish hunkered down repping his shield forever

[spiral folio]

I think if you could make borus turrets as automatic AA theyd be useful

[stable sail]

It was the only way to counter half the team using rockets

[copper ice]

Boris turret needs to be given railgun

[solid imp]

fr boris with + menu... I put that heavily into my survey response lol

[spiral folio]

You could have it as easy as a E interactive thing

[solid imp]

standard rounds (current mode) / mortar / aa-mine
3 modes. Boom. Boris is fixed.

[copper ice]

ill take literally any boris buff he's the worst spec in the game by a significant margin right now

[spiral folio]

Hold E
Gun aims up

[arctic grove]

That would be cool especially with below radar being added to the game

[solid imp]

Even if he has to swap at deploy like irish has to choose which gadget to deploy that would be fine as well so not even + menu

[stable sail]

I could get behind a Boris repair bot

[copper ice]

his current turret does less damage than a ranger with a tenth of the health

PLEASE no more repair buffs

[solid imp]

that turret needs twice the health

[copper ice]

🥹

[spiral folio]

Kinda part of why i think theyd be better as AA

[stable sail]

Repairs are so fucked right now

[spiral folio]

Cause theyd be harder for an air unit to hit

[stable sail]

You are given the worst ops

[spiral folio]

Maybe not do a ton of damage but like basic harassment

[copper ice]

Engie in general has bad ops its why everyone is going lis

[stable sail]

I legit do not run engi as armor anymore

Because free rockets

Doesn’t mean it’s good for the repair minded

[copper ice]

Boris is doggy doo doo and crawford is mediocre with a turret thats shit against vehicles

and lis is lis

95% of tankers are running irish right now

[stable sail]

Yep

[copper ice]

because he's got the fuckin invincibility button TWICE

[stable sail]

Or rao tank driver and Irish gunner

Swap rao with Paik if you use a lot of He

[copper ice]

passives affecting the inside of the vehicle was a mistake

[solid imp]

best balance to Irish is giving APS limited ammo, which, if the APS is under constant fire should deplete before a new gadget recharges

[stable sail]

Pretty sure it does deplete now

[solid imp]

or if it's not persistent on death. or both.

[fervent rose]

APS should counter lissiles, but Jav/Recoilless should act as at least a soft counter

[copper ice]

I'd prefer either 1 aps with good protection against nades and doesn't block rockets or 2 aps with limited ammo that's used up entirely when blocking a rocket

[fervent rose]

Irish APS just zapping every thing out of the sky makes little sense

[stable sail]

APS counters Liz

[lyric snow]

Exposed breads in supermarkets are a health hazard

[stable sail]

APS does not counter Soflam guided rockets

[solid imp]

I could get behind APS needing to consume higher amounts of limited ammo depending on what it's countering

[copper ice]

APS counters EVERYTHING right now

Remember that the m5 reload speed is 6.5 seconds

[spiral folio]

Aps things is a little op right now. Like they just delete rockets the instant they enter their zone. No delay no downside.

[copper ice]

Thats a hell of a long time to have wasted on an APS you probably didn't even see

[fervent rose]

they should look at adding cooldowns based on what type of projectile it is

[spiral folio]

They can even hit around corners

[stable sail]

APS is defeated by soflam its ez

[fervent rose]

like block all the airburst with no cooldown, fine. but rockets?

[solid imp]

M5 is weird with APS though... there are lots of times the rocket still does all the damage to whatever is behind the APS even when you hear the little "tick" sound and Irish gets his trophy

[copper ice]

no it isnt lel

[stable sail]

Yes it is lmao

[copper ice]

it eats soflam rockets

[stable sail]

It doesn’t

But ok

[copper ice]

yes it does

[solid imp]

and airburst, if aimed correctly, has a larger AOE than the APS so you can burst the thing into the dirt if you know kinda where it is

[copper ice]

i have seen it eat countless rockets

[stable sail]

It really doesn’t lol

You weren’t soflammed then

[spiral folio]

Yea within 100m...

[copper ice]

i have spent entire rounds with soflam watching tanks go completely unharmed because of APS

[spiral folio]

So if a tank is at 400m with 2 aps pods next to it, it operates with impunity

[stable sail]

I’m not gassing you up go check

Soflam defeats APS

[fervent rose]

dart gun combo counters it

[buoyant rampart]

ok a short question how can I unlock the ghostmaker and how can I do the elimination kills

[spiral folio]

Or hell 200m

[copper ice]

If it isn't intentional then it was 100% bugged

[fervent rose]

but mostly yes impunity is easily acquired

[spiral folio]

Engineers cant run a tracer gun so nobody uses the tracer gun because only the engineer benefits from it

Its ass backwards

[copper ice]

or no one utilizes the soflam lock because everyone is running Lis

[spiral folio]

And everyone runs lis because nobody gives ammo

[copper ice]

theres 4 specialists that can target lock vehicles right now and there's only 2 specialists that can actually take advantage of it

and they're like bottom tier specs

boris is literally the worst in the game

[solid imp]

tracer could go to engineer given it's really specific just to that purpose.. soflam should stay with recon since it auto spots everything everywhere always

[copper ice]

tracer going to engie just means more boris not using a launcher

[fervent rose]

who would choose dart over launcher though

[spiral folio]

The only way you could successfully run an AT rocket guy is with both an ammo box and tracer dart then

Good thing classes exist

[solid imp]

unless engineer class gadget switched to tracer dart 👀

[copper ice]

launchers should be mandatory on all engies

[solid imp]

and you have to pick the torch specifically

[stable sail]

During the last mid season of SE03 for the 128 breakthrough chaos... People got smart and started utilizing SOFLAM against tanks that would camp hard.... Was the only effective counter that I felt.

Other than C5 rushes

[ebon pilot]

oh boy, return to pre-2042 classes

[fervent rose]

one guy being able to dart + jav sounds really fun

[stable sail]

Personal experience from having 4 APS out

[solid imp]

[copper ice]

If it genuinely doesn't protect against soflam, i have literally never noticed it before

[spiral folio]

Tracer dart should have been the engineers unique gadget cause only they need it

[stable sail]

Now they could've changed it since then but I've still had rockets hit due to being SOFLAM'd

[copper ice]

Makes me complain even more that Lis can't utilize soflam

[muted cradle]

Why do I get kicked from heli xp server after sometime?

[spiral folio]

I hate the notion entirely of
"Well since another class has it people will work together"
Luthor "WROOooong!!"

[copper ice]

the big issue with tracer dart is that it's too monoroled

soflam spots everything on top of locking

tracer dart does literally nothing but lock vehicles

[spiral folio]

Give the tracer like 50 rounds. Make it engineer standard.

[fervent rose]

yea but you dont have to hold the dart gun for very long

[copper ice]

no one wants to use it

[fervent rose]

dart and move on with your life

but the current setup isnt very good / rewarding

[copper ice]

yeah but if i wanted to focus vehicles I'd pick engie and actually hurt it in the first place

[stable sail]

If I wanted to focus vehicles, I'd pick recon and use hacks, smokes, and c5

[copper ice]

and because i picked engie I'd pick lis, and now there's another lis and everyone is more mad again

[stable sail]

lmao

[spiral folio]

Id tracer dart all day if i had it on my lis

[fervent rose]

sundance c5

[copper ice]

Rao

[stable sail]

that too

[fervent rose]

Or be casper drone and annoy the fuck out of them

[stable sail]

Rao, Sundance, Mackay

[copper ice]

2.5 seconds of los with vehicle with a flimsy lock that gets interrupted if a leaf blows in front of it

[stable sail]

Best vehic killers

[copper ice]

you're better off with emp nades (theoretically because unfortunately IRISH exists)

20 bucks says the patch notes tomorrow have a minuscule lis nerf and don't touch irish at all

[spiral folio]

Unlock the bayonet for caspers drone

[fervent rose]

Irish buff probably

[copper ice]

dont even joke with me man 🥹

[arctic grove]

BF 2042 COMING PS PLUS NEXT MONTH

FUCK YES

OMFG

[copper ice]

i played bfv i know firsthand they're perfectly capable of buffing the best weapons in the game

[frail sparrow]

wasn't it on there already?

[arctic grove]

omg finally my friends can get it for free

Holy shit

[fervent rose]

they just buffed lis @copper ice

[arctic grove]

dice pulled the bf5 strategy bby less go

[fervent rose]

you dont have to go very far back

[copper ice]

Case in point

Why buff boris when you can make lis fire rockets that can turn on a dime before breaking the sound barrier

[dapper river]

I can't believe DICE trolled us by releasing updates at the very last day of the months they were promised... TWICE!

[stable sail]

tbh the rush xl should've followed the Chaos Mode they had up on portal

[arctic grove]

Battlefield 2042 is on psplus!!!!

YESSSSSSS

Let's go my mates can finally play

[stable sail]

No Irish APS + No fire nades... Also remove Zayn's equipment

[arctic grove]

I’m spamming my friends to get this shit

idc

[copper ice]

why in the hell is boris so trash in the first place

[arctic grove]

Same

[pastel loom]

no
you're talking about the limited trial from December

[arctic grove]

I’m forcing them to play it

[copper ice]

he has a literally useless passive on top of the worst gadget in the game

for what purpose

[stable sail]

Then got chucked into Engineer

When has Engineer ever been the weakest class in BF lol

[copper ice]

Oh yeah i REALLY feel more defended when there's a boris turret nearby

[fervent rose]

the turret was fucking obnoxious

and now boris is just bad which is better

[copper ice]

He's anti vehicle now

Just make it fire AP nades at shit

[stable sail]

You can really only choose 2 engineers if you're running vehicles

[copper ice]

Easy fix

[arctic grove]

Same it's gonna be so fun

They've never played Battlefield but have always wanted to

[stable sail]

I mean running what's his nuts is good for the emergency repair

[fervent rose]

you mean you can really only choose Irish unless you have a crew

[stable sail]

Lis is good for helping finish off vics

[arctic grove]

Can’t complain if it’s fucking freee

[stable sail]

but you're fucking NUTS if you dont choose Irish

[copper ice]

I'm fine with him being dogshit prior to class update but now he's one of TWO specs with access to launchers it is vital he becomes not shit

[stable sail]

even w/ crew, your crew chooses Irish lol

fk reps

[copper ice]

the easiest way to fix this is by stopping his turret shooting infantry

[stable sail]

i'll take APS TYVM

I liked the multiple turret mode idea

RPG turret, Repair Turret, etc.

[copper ice]

multiple turret mode just means more useless turrets

[stable sail]

Or even a railgun turret would be sweat

sweet

[copper ice]

Getting to pick your choice of poo doesn't stop it being a poo

[stable sail]

idk repair turret would be nice

[copper ice]

They gotta crank it up

but no more repairs please god

autonomous repairs would be insanely obnoxious

🥹

Full tank squad with 3 boris repair turrets and an irish

[stable sail]

well 1 Rao or Paik tbh

[copper ice]

Hail satan

[stable sail]

for driver

[copper ice]

sod the spots you've got immortality to be having

[fervent rose]

if you really hate players, add a repair turret

sure go ahead

[stable sail]

lmao

I mean they already hate the players

[copper ice]

repair has always been overpowered in battlefield

universal constant

[fervent rose]

yep

[stable sail]

they put 2 dogwater ops in Engi

[fervent rose]

repairs and revives are always broken

[copper ice]

if you have a repairbot you win vehicle vs vehicle 99% of the time

[stable sail]

If you think Irish is more OP as Engi than Support

sheeeesh

mfer LOCKS DOWN obj

revives, gives ammo/health, and has APS + shields?

[fervent rose]

it did nerf the solo tanker

2 aps + repair tool

[copper ice]

I think he's got an insane amount of versatility right now and I don't think he should have repairs OR revives but if he was an engie I would scream at 4 man irish tank squads

[stable sail]

Idk any tank main driver getting out to drop APS

unless solo

so risky

[fervent rose]

it takes a quarter of a second

if that

[stable sail]

risky if you got snipers watching

[copper ice]

I fought an irish tanker earlier, popped both his APS before firing a rocket at him, by the time i reloaded he had put both APS down again

[fervent rose]

nah, pop thermal smoke

ive died maybe 3 times doing that ever

[copper ice]

it shouldn't stop rockets

[stable sail]

eh, I just choose Rao for the spotting who shot

Makes more sense to me

Esp if I got my 2nd man

[copper ice]

rao spots are what a normal well adjusted individual picks for fun value

[stable sail]

3rd gun seat is reserved for repairs usually

[copper ice]

irish for tanker is what insane degenerates like to use

[edgy oriole]

i use rao to hack and soflam for no reason all game

[copper ice]

dice encourages this behaviour

[fervent rose]

you are literally forced into it though, by Lis

[stable sail]

I mean dont get me wrong

[fervent rose]

when there are 4 lis players dedicated on you, you are dead unless you have APS

[stable sail]

My primary crew member who is riding w/ me all game is running Irish

[copper ice]

but you're forced into using lis because the flares are too strong on helis

it all connects

i can see the lines Wilson

[fervent rose]

even 2 lis can easily murder a tank if he has no irish APS

[stable sail]

Irish OP af on Rush XL lol

[copper ice]

dice has to fix everything at the same time or its going to be taking bandaids off to put them over other gaping wounds

[fervent rose]

and only 1 lis keeps them from being aggressive

[stable sail]

Dude I had this one rando tank 2ndary gunner... Never repaired me

But GOD DAMN he shot down every lis

Never seen someone so cracked

[copper ice]

Lis damage is too small for 2 lis to break a tank

[stable sail]

think it's 3 LIs to beat a tank effectively

[copper ice]

I survived 5 lis in a wildcat earlier because of 2 repairbots and they weren't even consistent about it

[stable sail]

Or 1 Lis + 1 Javvie

[fervent rose]

its 4 rockets, 2 lis can easily outdamage your cooldowns as a solo tanker

[copper ice]

As soon as lis fires both missiles she has a horrendously long recharge time where you can get basically all your health back

[fervent rose]

but 3 will do it fast

[stable sail]

ya but if you got 1 javvie 1 lis

its over pretty shortly

even if you smoke

[wide shore]

If you got one javelin and a shitty tank player they’re basically done for.

[stable sail]

thats half your health from next javvie lol

[copper ice]

i find damage to tanks to be inconsistent

[wide shore]

The javelin fucks

[fervent rose]

idk i dont find javelins to be that threatening

unless its a combo

[copper ice]

I've seen tanks get reamed by jav shots but ive also seen them do like, 22 damage

[stable sail]

I'm always worried about combos thats the thing lmao

if 1 person is locking you that means you're in sight line for hella others

but i'm typically the tank whore on the map so im getting painted, targeted, tracked al lthe god damn time

most of the time I've had to just main the Maul to focus armor

even tho i hate playing it

nice to take out transport helos in 2 hits tho

right as they spawn

[fervent rose]

you dont have to run railgun tank, but you do need to sacrifice 2nd/3rd seat killing power

[stable sail]

(dont hate the player hate the game lmao)

[fervent rose]

tow missile + rocket pod fucks up tanks

[copper ice]

hitscan tank was such an idiot decision

[stable sail]

pretty sure it's not hitscan it has drop

[copper ice]

its close enough to consistently hit aircraft

thats all it needs

[stable sail]

i mean yeah but if you're trying to snipe it definitely showcases how it's not hitscan lol

i mean 55 health remaining on any armor vs 1 shot is ridic

[fervent rose]

the maul cannon should get a complete rework

[stable sail]

i mean just lower its dmg up its reload time a bit

ez

[fervent rose]

make it a starcraft siege tank

not the most op anti vehicle gun in the game

[stable sail]

it feels so nice to 1 tap helos tho lmao

ngl

[fervent rose]

of course it feels good, it's easy and broken

[stable sail]

esp when those fuckers like Luke Skyfarmer run 150+ kill games

in either LB or transport chopper gun

i do enjoy stopping their killstreaks lol

[fervent rose]

"transport"

[stable sail]

Flying Tank*

[copper ice]

it's a bunch of balancing issues contrasting with other balancing issues

[karmic egret]

We got the patch notes?

[pastel loom]

game coming to plus is unbelievable to me

[fervent rose]

why

[pastel loom]

[fervent rose]

isnt it on sale for like 10 dollars on console sometimes

[pastel loom]

25$*

[copper ice]

flares break anti air measures so you have to resort to lis and railgun tank but lis also fucks with ground vehicles so you have to use Irish which means you have to use Sundance c5 it's just a whole load of rock paper scissors with whatever is overpowered and counters the other overpowered shit

[fervent rose]

pretty sure ive seen pictures of less than 10

not digital tho

[pastel loom]

I was only implying digital

[copper ice]

lis cant even kill the fucking transports because they're made of obsidian

the highest anti vehicle dps other than c5 right now is the 40mm AP underbarrel grenade launcher and that gets outrepaired by a single repairbot on the heli

[stable sail]

never really see helis going to rep lol

just hide behind mountains until your reps are up again

auto reps

or hide somehwere

[hollow hill]

do you get anything for doing all weekly missions this season

[stable sail]

A T1 badge

das it

[muted cradle]

Do EXP boosters work on Portal games?

[fervent rose]

they gotta nerf that middle gun seat or remove it. the gl / 50mm cannon are both obnoxious

[stable sail]

i mean it is nerfed if you have a maul

ez kill

huh are there XP boosters in 2042 now? lol

[copper ice]

there's only a handful of players that know they can repair transport helis in the passenger seats

but they are evil

[fervent rose]

and those players are smart enough to fly above your maul and jump out with c5

[copper ice]

you can use gadgets in them as well so occasionally you get transport helis with double lis in the passenger seats taking potshots at the tanks and keeping the heli at max health

[spiral folio]

If i shoot at transports i shoot either cockpit or at the passenger slot for that reason

[stable sail]

you mean if someone is bored enough to repairbitch a transport

i thought you mean ATK chopps

[copper ice]

the entire game revolves around people being bored enough to repairbot

[stable sail]

not transpos

[copper ice]

it was the same in bfv

[stable sail]

omg BFV tanking was chefs kiss

felt so good

[copper ice]

if someone dedicates the whole round to repairing then you are borderline immortal in exchange for them having the most fucking boring role of all time

[muted cradle]

Do xp boosters from the battle pass work on portal matches?

[copper ice]

why dont you try and see what happens

[fervent rose]

i once double repaired with my friend through 30+ shells

[stable sail]

nahhh only time you were immortal is if you used the HaChi