battlefield-2042

[granite island]

The tunnel looks familiar to the rapid dominance bundle

[royal swan]

Ah ok, yeah I would love a map considering man made structures like metro

[wide shore]

I loved Hardline’s concept. But I did not like how it felt. It just felt sluggish. Idk how to explain it.

[calm bison]

It's better than goddamn 5.2 because I can actually kill people

[arctic grove]

Bf4 clone tbh

[calm bison]

they used the 5.0 TTK as a baseline

[copper ice]

They made it less bad, but this is worse than making it good

[royal swan]

Does the season 5 map look familiar

[calm bison]

5.0 was unbalanced as shite. 6.2 was basically the better version

[granite island]

Man's in the future

[calm bison]

5.2 was just awful

[nova idol]

S5 map is a reimagining of an older map

[calm bison]

5.2.2 was even worse

[nova idol]

I think its giants of karelia, others think its zavod

[dapper night]

Hey at least you can able to get ammo or health on the support or assault players on their back without them giving

[next onyx]

Pre 5.2 ttk was good.

[calm bison]

6.2 actually made BFV bearable

[arctic grove]

Yeup

[scarlet minnow]

100% pretty much all those maps were great id love to see every single one of them back, pearl market, silk road, yeesh took a while to get good but that is definitely still one of the best bfs

[copper ice]

there was nothing wrong with 5.0

[calm bison]

Granted I would've preferred they not touch the TTK at all but I'll take what 6.2 gave to us

[dapper night]

I missed that feature ngl it was in BFV, idk why they remove it in this game

[next onyx]

5.2.2 was a minor hotfix to 5.2 while 6.2 was when they finally "fixed" it.

[copper ice]

[arctic grove]

Eh

Idk either

[royal swan]

I will never play bf5, it's a fucking infestation of cheaters

[next onyx]

Pc bf5 is horrid.

[frail sparrow]

Im getting last of us vibe from ze hourglass teaser

[next onyx]

Console its good.

[calm bison]

BFV still plays great

[wide shore]

I just don’t see the Karelia influence other than the snow. And I guess the mountains. But again as a reimagining mountains could very well be added to Zavod. And snow is common in the area. So idk. It looks like Zavod to me

[calm bison]

you can actually kill people and your bullets go where you aim

[scarlet minnow]

People cheat cuz they suk lol

[frail sparrow]

I'm sorry, ill stop playing it :(

[next onyx]

Huh I'm not stopping you!

[scarlet minnow]

You must be a pretty good bf player

[dapper night]

Cheaters everywhere 💀

[copper ice]

i also share this opinion

[pine roost]

i think the architecture of the buildings as well as the tracks that carpo spotted leads me to believe it's set nearer to zavod

[nova idol]

Snow, mountains, railway and station

[calm bison]

I like to believe I'm just average

but BFV feels like I'm rewarded for actually aiming

[nova idol]

The emphasis they made on railway too, the small track on Zavod wasnt the main focus of the map at all

[calm bison]

compared to the random bullet deviation of BF1

[pine roost]

the spread in bfv is only marginally better

[frail sparrow]

Bfv perfected gunplay

[wide shore]

But the factory which looks almost exactly like Zavods

[royal swan]

Wait did it take a year for bf4 to get as good as it is right now after launch

[calm bison]

yes

[nova idol]

I disagree, it looks much smaller and shorter than zavod

[mighty holly]

And here I was thinking of getting it

[copper ice]

bfv felt really nice to move and shoot in

[mighty holly]

[calm bison]

BFV also had the best tanks of the franchise

[copper ice]

i played on PC the other day and it felt very not good

[mental delta]

What is that ?

[arctic grove]

Bf5 was nice on my ps5

[frail sparrow]

Wasn't there a mountainous map with a railway in bf4?

[royal swan]

We are stuck in a god damn loop of development issues and stupid players

[arctic grove]

But now I’m seeing polygons on it for some reason

[calm bison]

welcome to modern gaming

but anyway

[arctic grove]

What da fuk did the hackers do to 5💀

[calm bison]

BFV - good gunplay, good mechanics, good tanks

best tanks

[royal swan]

Infested it to the brim

[calm bison]

actual best tank gameplay

[royal swan]

It's unplayable on pc

[bitter mulch]

gunplay was bad, to arcade

[calm bison]

skill issue

[arctic grove]

It’s not a sim

[royal swan]

It's a arcade shooter

[pine roost]

If bfv had 2042's recoil system with slightly more vertical recoil I'd be happy playing that

[mighty holly]

Is it somewhat barely playable

[wide shore]

Damn near brokenly impossible to destroy tanks.

[copper ice]

vehicle infantry interaction in bfv was very poor

[royal swan]

On pc no

[calm bison]

still a skill issue

[pine roost]

it's not bad but isn't very consistent

[arctic grove]

Lewis gun was cheese

[royal swan]

You will for sure meet a cheater in every match

[arctic grove]

And mg42 lol

[copper ice]

anti vehicle launchers had dogshit range until bazooka, bazooka had shit damage after 6.2

[mighty holly]

still wanna get bfv in pc just to kamikaze

[wide shore]

Idk wtf they did to the assault class. But you could hit a shitty tank driver with everything in your Arsenal. And they would just drive away with 30 HP

[frail sparrow]

I miss the resupply stations of v

[bitter mulch]

yeah its too easy

[copper ice]

and the jubba existed

[calm bison]

the bazooka has less damage in turn for more rockets to shoot

[bitter mulch]

its a mix

[royal swan]

That doesn't work as you would believe

[bitter mulch]

its a mix

[calm bison]

the PIAT and Panzerfaust only have 3 rockets to shoot

Bazooka gets 5

[mighty holly]

I’ll make it happen since I did it before and you know it

[calm bison]

its a tradeoff

[mighty holly]

You know I’ve done it before lad

[sharp marten]

I love this

[cosmic storm]

Huh ? Isn't BFV one of the hardest title in term of aiming ?

[wide shore]

I hit a tank once with 2 panzerfausts, anti tank grenade, and a fucking lunge mine and it wasn’t even burning.

[copper ice]

took a hell of a long time to damage the tanks with it

Could just outrepair the zookas

[calm bison]

well your first problem was using the lunge mine

great meme weapon

[copper ice]

The panzerfaust sucked hard

[wide shore]

It does 50 damage. It’s the only consistent anti-vehicle weapon in the game

[copper ice]

lunge mine was alright when hitreg worked (not often)

[arctic grove]

It’s beautiful

It’s so beautiful

[sharp marten]

Chefs kiss

[bitter mulch]

who said that? for me it was to easy, gun need to feel powefull. MW2 does that good

[royal swan]

Bfv vehicle skill hill and balancing is fucked

[copper ice]

I had multiple clips of lunge mine failing to damage tanks back in the day

[royal swan]

The gap is fucking huge

[wide shore]

Don’t get me started on ricochets too

[calm bison]

i don't see how the skill gap is huge

[wide shore]

Thank fuck those are gone

[arctic grove]

Why does that concept remind me of the cod cw zombies map lol

[copper ice]

faust had horrible reload speed and less damage than the piat vs tanks for most of the game

[royal swan]

Then you haven't played vehicles and I refused to believe that you did

[calm bison]

I have 1K kills in both the Sherman and Tiger in BFV

[royal swan]

Have you tested planes

[calm bison]

yes

[mighty holly]

planes are alright

[calm bison]

3K kills in the P51D

[copper ice]

sit 200m away and shoot at ants

[mighty holly]

Planes are alright that I can even kamikaze with them

[copper ice]

bfv planes were wack as fuck

[mighty holly]

[pine roost]

the rockets not having drop is so strange

[frail sparrow]

Bfv planes are life

[rocky kraken]

i wonder if dice wants to move on from 2042

and start new

[royal swan]

Vehicle sweat then, the skill gap is mostly seen on casual playing

[frail sparrow]

Spitfire vb best bfv plane

[calm bison]

buddy I am nowhere near as sweaty as some players

[bitter mulch]

what do you mean with this?

[granite island]

Bf5 plane in aow when

[mighty holly]

Zeros

[rocky kraken]

like

[royal swan]

You are definitely not casual

[rocky kraken]

if they are tired of fixing the game

and want to just start new

[royal swan]

Far off

[copper ice]

bfv had similar issues with undestroyable tanks in oob protected by repairbots as 2042 does

[calm bison]

let's see here

[oak gulch]

they can use it as a testing ground for the next bf too

[calm bison]

3.7K kills in the P51D

1.9K in the Sherman

1.3K in the Tiger

1.5K in the G-6

[bitter mulch]

battlefield is allwas having a 2-3 years cycle. So they will release a new game in a year or two

[copper ice]

vehicle main stick an incendiary in his exhaust

[rocky kraken]

2042 is bascially a dev trainer at this point

im saying december 2024

[calm bison]

Ironically Assault and Support are my most played classes in BFV

I have more kills with them

[copper ice]

I was a diehard recon main due to spawn beacon being overpowered as fuck

also bayonets

[bitter mulch]

a big reason for that is EA because they want the game to release even if its not complete

[granite island]

It's so hard trying to get a kill with the bayonet

[copper ice]

the bayonet was buggy as fuck in bfv

[median path]

bruh already last specialist

[copper ice]

i was a tag hunter and good god it sucked

[calm bison]

I mean granted i have like 750 hours in BFV

[royal swan]

I would put bf1 above bfv for better vehicle gameplay, atmosphere, variety of guns and equipment, and no live service bullshit

[rocky kraken]

which is an even larger support of me thinking s5 will be it

[calm bison]

Atmosphere and post launch content - yes

Just one thing

Ilya Muromets and Artillery Truck

[pine roost]

after learning to fly in bf1 I had a hard time getting used to bfv's physics

[copper ice]

i feel like bfv had more options than bf1 for equipment

and bf1 guns were irritating

[calm bison]

most of BF1's guns were just variants

that's it

[royal swan]

Vehicles were in a perfect spot of skill, you had a good chance against sweats

[copper ice]

world war 1 where everyone is running 80 mag smgs

[pine roost]

might go back to the older games actually since 2042 can be rather irritating at times

[bitter mulch]

but tbh BFV was a good game, its the reveal trailer that made the problem before the game was even out

[calm bison]

if you remove all the variants BF1 had a scary lack of weapons to use

[lucid goblet]

a little bit of info on the SP game from Ridgeline https://www.gamesindustry.biz/ea-dice-is-building-a-new-single-player-team-for-a-future-battlefield-game

[copper ice]

basically every weapon in bfv had a niche

[lucid goblet]

looks like a new team is being formed within dice to assist

[copper ice]

its nice to have options like that

[rocky kraken]

thanks sir

[bitter mulch]

the more the better

[pastel loom]

ww1/2 aircraft is much better
lower altitude, no heatseekers, gunner seat

[copper ice]

i find 2042 suffering from lack of niches and some weapons being best in slot at too many scenarios

[royal swan]

The variants function completely different compared to their other versions

[granite island]

Plane Bullets are actually good against infantry

Pls 2042 make jet bullets good against infantry

[silk surge]

They told us that they were going to tell us more about Hourglass 2.0... Then they showed absolutely nothing... Biggest blue ball of the decade.

[pine roost]

the setting definitely helped alongside good mechanics to create something that felt like you were under complete control

[copper ice]

i still pray for a BF where planes aren't pilotable and helis are more vulnerable

[royal swan]

Oh bf1 didn't have that terrible upgrade system like bfv

[calm bison]

use 25mm

[pastel loom]

season 5

[copper ice]

the upgrade system in bfv was good for guns (theoretically) but holy FUCK it sucked with vehicles

[calm bison]

what the fuck...

[copper ice]

awful awful grinding experience

[royal swan]

So glad it was dropped from use

[copper ice]

The consistent largest issue in battlefield as a franchise is balancing air-infantry interaction

[calm bison]

where the jets aren't pilotable? that sounds like CoD ground war

[copper ice]

the Ju-88 in bfv was unbelievably good at farming

[calm bison]

yeah

and then the mustangs came along

JU 88s get shredded by them

[granite island]

I prefer the kills to unlock

[copper ice]

only on the maps with them

[silk surge]

I'm aware, I'm referring to the dev blog video

[royal swan]

Over anything really

[copper ice]

which had it's own balancing issues with attack fighters dominating both air and ground

[pine roost]

bf1 from my perspective has the best balance between both

[pastel loom]

bf1 variants were unnecessary restrictive
like i can't remove or equip the scope on much of them
plus the magnification feature should've been changeable during the gunfight

[calm bison]

the spitfires were also decent at killing them

the VB and 51D versions were the best

[mental delta]

Some people here were "sure" Hourglass remake was set to arrive in season 4, they got what they fucking deserved by being arrogant

[copper ice]

ideally I'd like jets to be like actual jets for the purposes of airstrikes etc

the reinforcement system from bfv was fun and you could utilize aircraft for that

[spiral folio]

Fly over the half mile wide battle in 1 second

[granite island]

Control the air strike

[sharp marten]

Bro the new map rework looks sooooooo good

[pastel loom]

Good substitute for the elite kit and behemoths

[copper ice]

Not directly pilotable, but with interaction from ground forces calling support

[spiral folio]

I mean the real strike would be like acquire target 10 miles off the map. Fly in and reduce speed from mach2, launch and leave. The size of battlefield makes jets really out of place

[pine roost]

not being able to fly the jets would be lame

[granite island]

Maybe they could add that to the call in

[copper ice]

I really liked both reinforcements and fortifications and I really really hope they bring both back

[calm bison]

so a killstreak?

[granite island]

Not a killstreak

Scorestreak

[spiral folio]

The reduced damage jets guns and bombs do also dont make the speed as viable

[calm bison]

booo

[wild sapphire]

I was hoping the tease today was gonna say if we are going past season 5 or not

[rocky kraken]

we all were

[copper ice]

Squad points bought reinforcements in bfv

[rocky kraken]

its clear they are waiting for season 4 numbers

if s4 does well we may get season 6

i would assume

[spiral folio]

Like if the 30mm vulcan cannon from a f35 hits near you, your war is over.

Im game its like
"Owie ow a 30mm hit me call the medic my finger hurts"

[copper ice]

^, very likely they're checking to see if the return of classes is going to bring back enough players to squeeze another season out

[rocky kraken]

well

spearhead launch got up to 35k players

im thinking s4 gonna get to 60k

but

the problem with all of that is that the game doesnt have enough to sustain launch numbers

maybe classes will help with that

[spiral folio]

The projectile from a 30mm vulcan is bigger than a grenade and penetrates armor.

But to make the wimpy damage ingame viable you need to be able to put more hits on few targers

[copper ice]

I wouldn't bet on it

[rocky kraken]

but if they do end at s5

at least we know they are working on the new game so

its kinda like oh well we hoped

[copper ice]

5th time lucky

[rocky kraken]

which i dont understand why they cant keep a small team on titles before the next one launches

seems extremely wasteful

[cold phoenix]

I've been playing BF since 1942 but didn't fancy 2042, but when BFV broke at the weekend I gave it a shot and been really enjoying it. LEsson learned, don't listen to BF fans

[copper ice]

They already are doing this

[calm bison]

BFV fans are more bipolar than Britney Spears

[copper ice]

1 map a season

[spiral folio]

Ah f35 is "only" 25mm.
The projectile on that is about the size of a tall shotglass

Or 2 shotglasses stacked

At least

[calm bison]

I don't understand the decreased damage against infantry with the 30mm on jets

also holy spread

[spiral folio]

Thats just what sticks out of the brass

[pine roost]

it's to specialise it as an anti vehicle role

[copper ice]

people generally don't like getting blasted to death from space

[pine roost]

which makes sense to some degree

if the 25's are the light armour and anti infantry killer, the 30s would just do everything if they had the same potential

[granite island]

On my way to die to a sticky grenade launcher while flying a jet in season 4

[copper ice]

cant wait for assault to annihilate all the buildings now

[calm bison]

people complained about a lack of destruction

and now we have this

;-;

[granite island]

Would you rather have

Map wasteland

[spiral folio]

I hate the way BF wonks with damage because they dont want big guns used on infantry
Devs all "reeee the 30mm is for vehicles... reduce damage to infantry by 95%!"

[granite island]

Or maps with buildings

[calm bison]

no not really

I'd prefer maps with buildings

[copper ice]

fortifications fix this issue

[calm bison]

but i like destruction

[copper ice]

blow up building build new building

it was genuinely the best part of bfv

[rocky bear]

realism is overrated, that would be pretty not fun

[copper ice]

Just not made very well but it was their first try with it

[granite island]

Better give me points for repairing the buildings

[spiral folio]

Yea but like making it so stupid to where a 30mm doesnt kill?

[copper ice]

They're a bit over the place with balance in terms of vehicle damage

The vehicle coaxial guns are awful

[nova idol]

Either that or vehicles become opressive

[spiral folio]

Just buff damage from anti-vehicle weapons

[copper ice]

30mm on jeeps has insane aoe, double 30mm on wildcat has no aoe and is like 8btk on infantry

it's awful

[pine roost]

50mms behave differently on everything

[spiral folio]

If you make it so AA cant risk attacking infantry in fear of AT weapons, it reduces the ability for aa to theaten infantry

[pine roost]

most of them aren't needed

[copper ice]

vehicle damage should be high and infantry damage should be high to match

[sturdy socket]

is there any way to change the reticle color for sights

[granite island]

Give vehicles stronger bullets

[nova idol]

No

[sturdy socket]

red is way too dim especially in bright maps

[granite island]

And less bullet spread

[nova idol]

But I wish there was

[sturdy socket]

can't see shit with them

[spiral folio]

Right otherwise we get to where we are and its a tangled horrible web of arbitrary balances

[granite island]

Also all vehicles are now in even more danger

[pine roost]

The transports for one don't need their weaponry to be so oppressive

[granite island]

Thanks to the new sticky grenade luancher

[spiral folio]

Transports namely the hind should have its hp or agility halved

[sturdy socket]

attack heli 30mms are useless as a side note

worse than the M5C Bolte's 30mms

[spiral folio]

And allow the gun pods to shoot their own helicopter when the pilot gets stupid :v

[pine roost]

they could reduce the duration of it's flares, reduce the upwards thrust and roll speed and that should help

[spiral folio]

Flares arent even half the issue the hind has the hp of a tank and the agility of a sport bike

[copper ice]

As much as i hate vehicles, its stupid that vehicles have such sporadic damage

[pine roost]

then instead of being able to extend even further when under threat they have to immediately retreat

[copper ice]

the flares lasting so long are very irritating

[spiral folio]

And then add its stupid amount of durability with the ability to hide BEHIND YOUR LINES so far even you cant go get it. And repair.

[rocky kraken]

do yall think they actually read the community feedback

from discord

[copper ice]

another reason everyone runs lis

[rustic mango]

What's happening on games

[solar tinsel]

Sorry if this has been asked: but the S5 map was influenced by: Golmud?

[copper ice]

judging by bfv, absolutely not lol

[final plume]

Did they just say that the new specialist is the last one we'll get or latest one?

[pine roost]

Even as a pilot I wouldn’t mind them being reduced by a second or two

[copper ice]

Last one

[solar tinsel]

Blasco will be the last

[final plume]

That sucks.

[spiral folio]

Id go as far as to say repair not only shouldnt work in enemy territory, but crossing behind an enemys nocap line should automatically tracer mark you

[granite island]

I don't see a single trace of golmund in the concept art

[copper ice]

BT has issues with territory lines in the first place

[solar tinsel]

Right when I saw it in the video I couldn'tconnect it to a map, other than the "railroad' description.

To be fair it's not meant to be a remake

I just was trying to figure out the setting

[spiral folio]

Yea enemy transports shouldnt have total free reign behind enemy lines

[granite island]

Transport vehicles always flying towards the next map with how far they be going

[copper ice]

lots of vehicles camping in the OOB or transports flanking your own spawns

[granite island]

Sometimes they fly into space

[solar tinsel]

the mountains look similar though so I'm assuming it is meant to indeed be the same northwest China setting

[spiral folio]

Kaleidoscope is the worst about helos repairing in what is supposedly enemy territory

[pine roost]

I don’t even know why breakthrough has a transport heli when it bans all other attack craft

[granite island]

Also I think this will be a great addition to aow

Add 3 condors to every map

[spiral folio]

Kaleidoscope and exposure are the two worst hind maps for BT

[arctic grove]

ohhhhh

[copper ice]

Transports being able to have passengers repair is also agonising

[arctic grove]

a guys face was blown apart by my explosive arrows

[solar tinsel]

especially considering the transport helis can be just as effective ha

[spiral folio]

Or give defenders attack choppers? Defense choppers?

[plucky chasm]

Was the bf4 map propaganda on the season 5 tease

[pine roost]

More health, more guns, guns that do about the same damage, same mobility. Yeah that makes sense

[solar tinsel]

I thought it was Golmud

[stiff pollen]

How about they actually balance the sandbox properly instead of just removing shit

[plucky chasm]

Ohhh

Your probs right

[spiral folio]

If defenders had something that could kill a transport hiding behind a cliff/building itd reduce repair camping a lot

[solar tinsel]

To be clear: it's not meant to be a remake

but it has the same mountains and the "railway" aspect made me seem like it was the same setting

[pine roost]

The only way to at the moment is to remove shit

[stiff pollen]

Sounds like a skill issue on the devs part

[plucky chasm]

Ohhh right cus they said it's returning to a decade old map

[heavy whale]

If the S5 map is Karelia, just imagine if it ends up being a teaser for 2143

[plucky chasm]

Ok

[copper ice]

They cant, because 64p BT is too different to 128p conquest

[pine roost]

Something that haven’t bothered to do so far despite the potential it has for making the game more playable

[copper ice]

Lis

[plucky chasm]

That sticky grenade looks OP as well lmao

[stiff pollen]

You’re telling me they can’t properly balance air vehicles besides either: removing them from the mode or letting the most shitter players one shot them

[pine roost]

It’s more about the actual weapons they have access to. Transports having the guns they do etc

[copper ice]

Yes lol

[solar tinsel]

oh I guess it could be that too, forgot about that one

[spiral folio]

Doesnt do enough damage to fully prevent it

[royal swan]

Eh, we had grenade launchers before and were they op. Nope

[copper ice]

We have never had a bf with consistently balanced aircraft

[spiral folio]

My best on kaleidoscope was shooting out a pilot as he went to repair camp behind the last sector

[frail sparrow]

the community manager in the trailer sounds quite dutch

[royal swan]

Bf1 was the closest

[stiff pollen]

Transports can ram directly into enemy helis, instant kill them, and fly away with more than half their health still

[copper ice]

You're right! And at the same time, everyone is calling lis op

[stiff pollen]

Cause she is

She’s overtuned

[spiral folio]

Well theyre as the romans would say "idiots"

[stiff pollen]

They probably have stats showing she’s the most used engineer besides Crawford for vehicle users

[solar tinsel]

I could see transpo choppers losing their main gun and just having the two miniguns

[topaz field]

so this new jammer it blocks c5 from going off also?!

[pine roost]

No

[topaz field]

what if im inside of the bubble?

[royal swan]

Make lis only have one rocket

Boom just fixed her

[heavy whale]

The lack of post S5 in the nee dev update has me concerned

[topaz field]

how?

[heavy whale]

I don't want this to be BFV pt. 2

[solar tinsel]

Eh, it'd be a little early for a S6 announcement

[topaz field]

i see what you mean

[stiff pollen]

They never needed to buff her in the first place, she was already the best anti vehicle spec

[solid imp]

People complain about Lis but then also ask for something which can attack a Hind behind a building 👀

[topaz field]

well the solution wasnt to buff Lis,more like nerf the damn heli cannon

[royal swan]

Lis is to easy to use

[plucky chasm]

Lis is balanced and fine do not nerf her she's perfect where she is

[solar tinsel]

The thing to realize though is: Battlefield 2042 will stop at some point. Nothing really indicates to me it is meant to be a long-term service game

[spiral folio]

The guns arent even the main issue. A transport is basically a near indestructible spawn beacon that can rush in, rain down enemies, take half a dozen hits.... go repair for 30s and return like nothing happened

[royal swan]

There needs to be skill in lis

[copper ice]

It's not that shes overtuned so much as everything is overtuned in different ways when it comes to vehicle vs infantry and lis is the best allrounder

[pine roost]

Instead of buffing the counters they needed to nerf the offenders

[plucky chasm]

There is skill in lis aiming the rocket is hard on a chopper

[solar tinsel]

Once the next Battlefield MP is on the horizon, they will be shifting efforts from 2042 to that

[stiff pollen]

She’s overturned. She has a 600m no fly zone

[plucky chasm]

Next battlefield 2025 at least right

[spiral folio]

Lol... no

[stiff pollen]

Her boost outruns jets

[royal swan]

No it's not

[solar tinsel]

Lis got WAY easier to steer now

[plucky chasm]

Are you a chopper player lmao

[spiral folio]

Takea like 6 lis rockets to kill a hind. They take forever to reload and yea you carry 2

[midnight moon]

Hitting liz rockets on choppers isn't that hard

[plucky chasm]

Yes it is

[pine roost]

She is too forgiving, it hardly takes any skill when she turns fast enough to provide you a good 4 attempts to hit the enemy if you miss once

[royal swan]

Yeah I am, I'm a transport heli main

[stiff pollen]

Her rocket hitbox is so big it straight up can miss but still detonate and destroy a chopper

[copper fulcrum]

Yeah a single Lis can't kill a transport chopper, or a tank

[solar tinsel]

I honestly dont' know why they chaneged the movement. I thought before it was balanced

[plucky chasm]

Hahaha that's why your complaining just get better at chopper then

[stiff pollen]

Even the top 0.1% can’t deal with her cause it’s so easy

[spiral folio]

So assuming 3 lis players are all truple aces and always hit a hind with jts broken durability and agility. It still takes all 3 lises with all 6 rockets to kill it assuming it doesnt repair and nobody misses.

[solar tinsel]

I see Lis rockets that I make miss turn around and take a second pass at me with the same rocket 😆

[plucky chasm]

Liz rockets take a while to recharge and we only two

[royal swan]

But I also play lis and rarely miss my target which is helis, it's just so easy to use her

[pine roost]

If the turn rate was lower and was designed more about a fire, correct, boost playstyle rather can constantly tracking I probably wouldn’t mind it as much

[solid imp]

The lis rocket doesn't do nearly enough damage to a hind for it to be meaningful unless it's a lot of Lis all at once. But the thing is if there are that many, it hurts that team in other ways because now they've hyperfocused on taking your Hind down.

[plucky chasm]

Idk some helicopter pilots who are good can dodge them easily

[spiral folio]

I'm really good with lis rockets and I still miss the hind more than the condor

[copper ice]

transports have an unreal amount of health and massive invulnerability periods from flares, making the AA launcher feel useless as it doesn't affect anything but aircraft; lis is naturally picked to then attempt to counter the helis, though she still doesn't have enough damage to confirm a kill, but she can also hit ground vehicles with ease which leaves them with constant chip damage; so they camp on hills with irish APS making them functionally immortal to all anti-vehicle efforts outside of sundance c5 suicide rushes which everyone hates

[stiff pollen]

How will taking 12 lis’s hurt your team, she’s the best engineer

[copper ice]

its a bunch of irritating tactics that piss everyone involved off

[pine roost]

I just use the Gustav against transports

[spiral folio]

Yea the flares recharge so fast AA rockets arent really effective

[royal swan]

By doing some weird ass movement that has a 50% of being effective

[solar tinsel]

I've been able to dodge them easily, but I've noticed getting shot down more frequently, and like I said, rockets can literally circle back and take a second stab at you

[plucky chasm]

It changes the rocket so yes it's effective

[spiral folio]

Good pilots juke off lis rockets easily

[royal swan]

They always come back for a second round

[plucky chasm]

Only if their lucky it runs out quick

[white geyser]

They should buff Lis guided rockets

[royal swan]

Which is the one that gets you

[spiral folio]

The best way to hit a hind is at-boost from a distanfe so they dont have time to react

[copper ice]

the helis also have gunner positions to shoot down lis missiles

[plucky chasm]

I think this is just a skill issue

[spiral folio]

Even then 5-6 hits

[copper fulcrum]

Okay so dodge it again

[plucky chasm]

She's perfect where she is atm

[royal swan]

Oh yeah like they can shoot it with my dodging movement

[frail sparrow]

whoa the return to classes bit was super low graphics settings in ze vid

[spiral folio]

Lis is good at finishing a kill on the run than from 100%

[royal swan]

Give them a throw up bag while you're at it

[copper ice]

pray and spray baby

[solar tinsel]

Even dodging Lis rockets, it feels a little silly that chopper gameplay has become a dance with Lis rockets the whole time 😆

[plucky chasm]

Lis is only great if the vehicle hp is low

[solid imp]

and thus... the issue isn't as clear as "do this one change" 😄

[plucky chasm]

Otherwise it's multiple rockets

Idk how that's op

[royal swan]

What?

[solar tinsel]

Because lets face it when you're in a chopper, you're getting a Lis rocket tossed at you once every 10 seconds it seems

[royal swan]

Stevo is confuso

[solar tinsel]

I can dodge them all hell, but it's just a strange gameplay loop

[dense parcel]

Lis limitation on gadgets leaves her with mostly useless stuff, hope this is something they can improve on

[plucky chasm]

Skill issue if you can't handle her rockets

[royal swan]

I never said I can't handle them

[solid imp]

and when you're facing a chopper you're getting a 40mm every 1 second

[plucky chasm]

Then she doesn't need be needed?

Nerfed

[copper ice]

a big issue is that a cohesive lis squad can do pretty decent difficult to dodge burst damage to vehicles, which is understandably concerning, but then her recharge rate is so low that after the initial two missiles even a squad of 4 lis can't confirm a kill before the vehicle is back at max health

[stiff pollen]

Anybody who thinks Lis is balanced is so awful at the game that they need the most busted anti vehicle character in the entire franchise to kill a vehicle in a game where it’s already been exceedingly dumbed down

[solar tinsel]

If the gameplay loop is poor, then it still may need to be

[plucky chasm]

I never see a whole lis squad

[copper fulcrum]

cope

[royal swan]

For the record the transport heli is huge a big ass target, it's a fat skill issue to miss her

[spiral folio]

One of my favorite lis kills i shot it straight up a building and when i reached the top I slammed the mouse down hard and 90 degree turned and hit some joker in the face

[copper ice]

imo the largest issue is that burst damage is high and consistent damage is low

[plucky chasm]

She is very balanced actually

[copper fulcrum]

Lis has like zero blast damage, even a hit one inch away will do 90 damage

It's all direct hit damage

[solid imp]

I would agree if the hind's rotor was in the hitbox but that thing jukes with a good pilot. The condor... yeah it's usually an easy hit.

[rocky kraken]

remove is

[stiff pollen]

Wow the missile has to hit to do damage

[copper fulcrum]

I mean anything can hit a condor

[copper ice]

if that was aimed at me i mean burst, not blast

[rocky kraken]

lis

[plucky chasm]

I swear the rockets beside Liz are better for ground vehicles

So doesn't that balance her

[stiff pollen]

[limber orbit]

all this lis fear

[solid imp]

It actually does

[plucky chasm]

😉

[limber orbit]

[copper ice]

the other launchers have decent damage but horrendously long reload times

[solid imp]

Because the M5 will rip through transport passengers and there go the reps

[spiral folio]

Lis rockets can kill barely 1 person with a direct hit the splash is weak. They do like 20ish% to an armored vehicle and have a long cooldown.

Consider that APS exists as an op forcefield and vehicles magically repair themselves if you wanna talk balance

[royal swan]

I have been dodging lis rockets from season 1 so I have good practice, but these insane unnecessary buffs are making it harder

[solid imp]

the 30mm will rip through transport passengers as well, and no more reps

[copper ice]

and irish APS means you're not gonna hurt ground units

[solar tinsel]

It is kinda funny that Lis' rocket is better at AA than it is at AT

[plucky chasm]

Vehicle players are way more OP then infrantry in this title

[copper fulcrum]

Yeah the only time a Lis will kill an infantry is if they're already hurt or it's a direct hit which, easier said than done

[spiral folio]

The way the game handles AA is ass tbh

[royal swan]

LMAO THEY ARE NOT

[solid imp]

yeah but the complaint is that there are too many lis, so there can't also be too many irish on that same team

[plucky chasm]

Yea they are

[copper ice]

that requires actually hitting it, and it frequently doesn't 1hk the repairbots; i can count on one hand the amount of times I've died instantly while repairing a transport heli

[copper fulcrum]

We can't stop players from choosing a specialist lol

[stiff pollen]

Mfw the vehicles that are limited in slots are powerful compared to the infinite infantry slots

[plucky chasm]

Vehicles need to get nerfed and Lis is a good solution

[spiral folio]

Like a traver dart on a vehicle
Launch AA
-flares-
The tracer i guess.. falls off.. Cause flares?

[plucky chasm]

The less chopper's on the field the better

[spiral folio]

-laser designate a target-
-flares-
your laser stops working?

[copper ice]

all it takes is one irish driving a tank

[plucky chasm]

All the vehicle campers learn to play infrantry for once

[solid imp]

ah I was talking transports

[solar tinsel]

Vehicles definitely don't need to get nerfed, they are meant to be stronger than infantry. I don't get this mindset that 1 infantry should be equal to 1 tank.

[copper ice]

one irish = 2 aps = effective vehicle immortality

[royal swan]

Half of the air vehicles are one shot, lavs are just asking for the c5, wildcats are asking for the jav, tanks are simple to take out

[solid imp]

and 1 lis is definitely not equal to 1 tank

[pine roost]

Irish not having a cool down on the aps when tanks do is an odd imbalance

[spiral folio]

Literally the reason laser sonar etc targeting works is because flares dont

Same reason planes carey chaffe now

[pine roost]

It really should

[plucky chasm]

Why not? Bf4 engineers were good balance against vehicles in this game it's a mess

[copper ice]

I tanked 5 lises in a wildcat the other day by having two repairbots

they couldn't outdamage my repairs

[royal swan]

The Tor is op yes, but c5+McKay didn't stop me

Or c5 + car

[solid imp]

anything with repairs immediately counters anything lis can do lol

[copper ice]

repair rates being too high is a legitimate issue

[spiral folio]

Yea and repairs are absolute. Theres no permanently broken parts for vehicles

[solar tinsel]

Because of magnitude. You get 64 players on a team, and way less vehicles. If each Engineer matched 1 tank solo, it would make vehicles pointless - especially considering they are slower

[plucky chasm]

Preach preach and isn't there specialist that repairs faster? It balances out

[spiral folio]

You cant totally break a wing or rip off an engine

[solid imp]

Imagine having to go back to base to repair 🙂

[spiral folio]

Imagine breaking a torsion bar

Or throwint a track

[arctic grove]

P much

[copper fulcrum]

Imagine breaking a femur

[royal swan]

Bring back ricochet

[spiral folio]

Like... welp. We'll shoot from here i guess

[plucky chasm]

HM maybe but that might encourage vehicle campers to finally play a soldier for once learn the game

[arctic grove]

Imagine leaning

[copper ice]

im not saying a single person should be winning a fist fight with a tank, but at the same time a vehicle shouldn't be able to so easily brush off someone dedicating themselves to damaging it

[plucky chasm]

Yea skill issue man

[solar tinsel]

What? You talk as if vehicles don't belong in Battlefield? 😂

[plucky chasm]

I tell ya

[spiral folio]

The one abrams lost in iraq lost its track so they filled the tank with thermite because it was in top risky of an area to risk enemies gettint into it

[solid imp]

Imagine shock paddles doing more than fixing one really specific heart rhythm

[plucky chasm]

They should play vehicle and infrantry not just one thing all the time now that's just boring

[plucky chasm]

Get good at all aspects

[solar tinsel]

So you're going to be the fun police now? lol

[royal swan]

Tors are the only op vehicles that annoy me, they are the the biggest reason I get killed when flying the big fat transport heli

[copper ice]

irish shouldn't be protecting vehicles at all

[sharp marten]

New exposure hidden spot

[copper fulcrum]

Green gloves

[stiff pollen]

You think the top skill vehicle players don’t know how to play infantry?

[solar tinsel]

People are gonna play the game however they want what sort of argument is that

[fair swan]

what is the map they shown of s5?

[spiral folio]

Yes

Most vehicle addicts are quite ass on ground

[solar tinsel]

"People should play the game the way I think they shoud" -StevoStaple

[copper fulcrum]

Giants of Karelia?

[fair swan]

yeaa but what is the name of the map

[plucky chasm]

Vehicle camping shouldn't be allowed cus it encourages players sitting in the menu screen for a spawn boringggg lis is the counter to these noobs finally take them out of comission so they have to learn how to fly better

[solar tinsel]

No name yet I don;t think

[lucid goblet]

no name yet, just concept art

[pine roost]

Knowing how to play infantry does help dramatically with vehicle play, although it’s still very different in some regards

[fair swan]

oh

i thought it was a map from an old title brought to bf2042

heh

[plucky chasm]

It is

[solar tinsel]

Vehicles like tanks often need to hang back because driving straight into a base rambo style gets you killed in 2 seconds with rockets + C5, so vehicles do have to be a bit more strategic. Unless you mean players who "only wait for vehicles"

[spiral folio]

So the new map is "literally anywhere in russia"?

[fair swan]

and whats the name of the map in the other games?

[rocky kraken]

there wordinG baited us

[solar tinsel]

Which while I agree - people who just wait for vehicles - aren't getting the most out of the game IMO but fuck that's their perrogative

[copper ice]

The only thing you need to do to avoid instant death in a vehicle is not be in c5 range

[plucky chasm]

Golmund railway probs

It's a bf4 map

[solar tinsel]

Im not gonna tell people what to do with their free time

[stiff pollen]

So the solution to vehicle campers is adding a specialist that is so overturned it forces the vehicle campers to… camp even harder to avoid getting instant killed

Smart

[arctic grove]

I wonder if the new map has a area were it’s a forest fire(season5)

[spiral folio]

Worse than that. By solely waiting on vehicles, they hobble their team by having 1 less person always fighting

[copper ice]

lis isn't overtuned so much as the other engies are bad

[plucky chasm]

True they also need engineer to constant repair which balances it too.

Yea I mean the players who wait for vehicles and do nothing else the whole match

[solar tinsel]

I totally agree, but again, I'm not gonna gatekeep

[spiral folio]

Yea who even are the others

Turret guy and ... different turret guy?

[arctic grove]

Crawford is underrated engineer

[stiff pollen]

Repair monkey Andrew tate and “im throwing” Russian man

[royal swan]

Just bring back the ricochet, it will force vehicle combat closer

[solar tinsel]

If someone wants to just tank, let them. On average you'll have just as many matches with people doing that on the opposing team as much as your team

[copper ice]

flares being so strong makes the AA launcher bad which means people pick lis

the m5 feeling bad to use because a 6.5 second reload and you have to be boris/crawford means people pick lis

[plucky chasm]

Is there actually Andrew tate skin or was that just a meme

[solar tinsel]

again, I agree it isn't fun to do that, but whatever thats their choice

[timid depot]

I find vehicles to be incredibly boring and I don't think I've spent more than 5 minutes in a vehicle in all my hours in 2042

[sturdy socket]

make rockets fired on laser paints ignore flares

[copper ice]

boris is essentially wasting your specialist slot with the worst gadget in the game and the worst passive

[sturdy socket]

but let flares still prevent the lock in the first place

[solar tinsel]

I agree Lis' rocket seems to be a BiS rocket choice, and thus, I bet there are WAY more Lis players. I wouldn't be surprised if DICE sees that data and either buffs Boris/Crawford or nerf Lis

[plucky chasm]

Their wasting tickets if their waiting in menu it's sickening. All I'm saying is they should go infrantry while waiting for vehicle spawn so they actually helping team all the time

[pine roost]

Not being able to play aggressively at all in tanks due to a single point of damage revealing your location to lis’ just leads to more camping. I want to actually be proactive when playing but you have to play entierly by isolating angles and essentially jiggle peeking if you want to survive

[arctic grove]

His gadget is good but in certain areas

[plucky chasm]

Yea they are in this game

[solar tinsel]

I agree with that sentiment, sure, but that's a bit far removed from how Engineers are balanced. I wouldnt be surprised if the pick rate between engineers is poorly skewed

[spiral folio]

Yea pretty much.
And bo map AA means if an air threat arises. You cant just jump on an AA with a non-engineer too

[arctic grove]

Imo let Boris put down two turrets

[copper ice]

Crawford is decent for holding chokepoints against infantry but his turret is shit vs vehicles

[solar tinsel]

and it's **GOING TO **come down to that, if DICE sees that data

[spiral folio]

Boris AA tureets

[stiff pollen]

Stevos brilliant idea to stop vehicle campers is to have a specialist that is so good at targeting vehicles that vehicles players are further forced to camp

[solar tinsel]

Say what you will, if Lis' pick rate is insanely high, there are gonna be changes

[plucky chasm]

Ok glad we agree on that one. Also lis being good is needed as engineer rn needed a good specialist

[copper ice]

I have never been killed by a boris turret and it's damage against vehicles is utterly abysmal

[spiral folio]

A toggle to set a boris turret to AA mode maybe

[arctic grove]

Or let Boris switch types of turrets like team fortress

[copper ice]

He is the worst spec in the game

[plucky chasm]

Bro we need anti tank you want no anti tank do u

[solar tinsel]

Im fine with Lis being good, but then Boris and Crawford need to get better

[timid depot]

You said playing one style is boring. I'm saying in vehicles would make the game more unenjoyable for me. Completely subjective take spoken as an objective fact

[royal swan]

Thermal scopes for tanks, ricochet, disabled tracks that actually stop movement, bring back inside repair which is slower, remove auto repair, bring weak and strong spots on tanks, and the first person entering animation

[stiff pollen]

Bruh engineer literally already had the best anti tank

Did you not play season 1

[jovial jay]

Give Crawford some pizza

[plucky chasm]

That prob won't happen

[jovial jay]

Then he'll go straight to jail

[copper ice]

No because I didn't pay full price for this

[solar tinsel]

What Im saying is, if the pick rate is wildly skewed. It absolutely WILL happen

[plucky chasm]

Nah I didn't play season 1 I started on season 3 mate

[sturdy socket]

tanks still need to be buffed from bottom feeder status, just like attack helicopters

[stiff pollen]

Exactly

[sturdy socket]

for that, Lis's rocket should become wire guided

instead of TV

[copper ice]

tanks are absolutely not bottom feeder right now

[plucky chasm]

Ohh right well I don't mind playing buzzard and infrantry myself

[spiral folio]

Thats stupid
Its 2042 not 1982

[sturdy socket]

lmao yeah the fuck they are

[plucky chasm]

It's nice to spice it up

[sturdy socket]

if they're not the TOR tank

[pine roost]

If the tank needs to be exposed to deal damage, so too should it’s counter

[royal swan]

They really are

[spiral folio]

Wire guided is dead TODAY

[copper ice]

a single Irish makes a tank borderline immortal

[royal swan]

Why even use a tank when you can use a Tor or the CRAB

[sturdy socket]

the regular tank is pretty fucking shit objectively compared to other vehicles

meanwhile

[plucky chasm]

Exactly what engineers role is to anti tank and we need more powerful rockets cus not enough pick engineer

[arctic grove]

Tanks aren’t bottom feeder I’ve been and seen really good tank squads

[sturdy socket]

the tor tank oneshots you in the air

so have fun trying to fly anything

get one kill

[spiral folio]

Strykers used to use wire guided crap and that was phased out

[sturdy socket]

someone gets mad

rage-spawns in a tor

oneshots you

fun game

[copper ice]

mbt is anti infantry TOR is anti vehicle

[stiff pollen]

You and I are not playing the same game

[copper ice]

blame dice for adding a fucking hitscan tank

[arctic grove]

MBT is hybrid tbh

The tor kills faster

[timid depot]

I do this by using different weapons and challenging myself like sometimes doing like pistol only or just using bad weapons. Admittedly imo it's much harder in this game because of the lack of many truly close quarter maps for good infantry play

[royal swan]

Tor should have an angle and health nerf

[copper ice]

that was a horrible decision by any metric

[sturdy socket]

the tor needs an effective range nerf lmao

[spiral folio]

Youd be an idiot to waste tor shots on infantry

[sturdy socket]

shouldn't be able to snipe from so far off

+velocity nerf

[copper ice]

Fair, but I see 99% of mbts running HE shells

[spiral folio]

Like
Infinite MG rounds
Naaah ill use my very limited antivehicle rounds and maybe miss

[plucky chasm]

AHH that's a good idea and I guess it would feel diff and fresh enough that way

[arctic grove]

I run MPAT lol

[jovial jay]

Lol imagine a cutting edge super hightech tank being weak af

[pine roost]

If you’ve got someone locking you with a javelin it’s better to use the main gun

[plucky chasm]

Yea I spose not cus you want choppers to be OP the way I'm reading it

[jovial jay]

Nerf the charge time then

[pine roost]

Had that happen while playing yesterday

[stiff pollen]

Choppers aren’t op?

[spiral folio]

MG is way more effective

[jovial jay]

The projectile velocity is a staple for those tank and even the rorsch

[royal swan]

Fine the charge time and the angle of the cannon

[stiff pollen]

Literally pull the wildcat?

[copper ice]

nerfing charge time doesn't fix the hitscan issues

[plucky chasm]

I said u want choppers to be OP

[pine roost]

Not when it has the ttk and drop that it has at range

[plucky chasm]

That's why u want lis nerf

You want a chopper buff

[arctic grove]

Attack choppers need a hp buff

[royal swan]

Nerf lis and buff jets

[arctic grove]

That’s it

[sturdy socket]

no, what pilots want is not to get oneshotted by something that shouldn't exist and is objectively overpowered

[stiff pollen]

THIS GUY WANTS A CHOPPER BUFF

[spiral folio]

Then dont get so close the enemy can do that? Tanks are mobile cannons not mobile imortality

[royal swan]

Jets need a fat fucking buff

[stiff pollen]

[copper ice]

i have no opinion on vehicles that arent in BT

[plucky chasm]

Buff jets wtf their strong rn?

[sturdy socket]

a tv-guided missile

for infantry

not for vehicles like in 4

[royal swan]

No excuse to have jets the way they are

[sturdy socket]

straight up infantry

something that can oneshot helis

lmao

[jovial jay]

Noone got any opinion on the RAM?

[plucky chasm]

It's not one shot

[solar tinsel]

I still think the cannon projectile speed is too slow, even with the new 25mm

[arctic grove]

We’ll attack choppers are flying targets lol

[sturdy socket]

LOL YES IT IS

[stiff pollen]

this guy is actually playing a different game he thinks jets are strong

[arctic grove]

Maybe it’s skill issue for me

[spiral folio]

Jets are only in the game cause if they werent. People would go
"Why no jets?"

[copper ice]

making lis missile 1hk choppers while doing like 27 damage to transport helis is lol

[plucky chasm]

What do you mean their strong

[royal swan]

The jet mini gun should do splash damage

[pine roost]

This was across that large chasm on the first point of breakthrough on breakaway for reference

[stiff pollen]

THIS GUY IS ACTUALLY PLAYING A WHOLE DIFFERENT GAME

[royal swan]

For helis yeah, but for anything thing else, fuck no.

[plucky chasm]

No it isn't only little bird and a jet I think both which takes skill to hit

[solar tinsel]

On the 30mm, I agree with that. Im fine with no splash on 25mm, but it needs to be laser fast

[sturdy socket]

you're definitely not playing the same game then

[lethal path]

I spent over $100 on this trash at launch.... I'm such a dumb cunt

[royal swan]

Jets need more missiles and a splash damaging mini gun

[plucky chasm]

So you think jet Vs jet is weak

[stiff pollen]

IM TELLING YOU

[plucky chasm]

Not every vehicle is one hit the fuck have you even played lis?

[solar tinsel]

I'll be doing a turn shooting at a jet not far away and the shots still land behind the instrument panel

[copper ice]

less aoe in general on cannons would be nice

[spiral folio]

Ive hit a jet with a lis. It takes mostly luck and some skill. Nobody is an expert at taking jets out with a lis

[jovial jay]

Atleast we dont have any Muromets-ish stuff for 2042 huh

[sturdy socket]

have you played in any air vehicle ever?

[stiff pollen]

Man this is why dice doesn’t listen to us when we got morons who think the jets are too strong in this game

[pine roost]

Honestly if the jet had better flight physics the cannons would be far more effective and consistent

[granite island]

Literally 3 air vehicles aren't one shot to lis

[arctic grove]

I spent 90 for gold edition imo I got my money’s worth lol

[granite island]

And that's condor

[plucky chasm]

Yea why

[granite island]

Transport heli

[jovial jay]

Every flyby is literally a kill farm

[granite island]

And heavy heli

[spiral folio]

It took the jet making the same attadk run like 20 times to hit it

[plucky chasm]

It's not one shot

[royal swan]

Ok air it's eh, for ground, rather just play lis as she does both options

[sturdy socket]

seems like you haven't given that you think that Lis can't oneshot a lot of air vehicles

yes

[spiral folio]

Luckily our AA was garbage

[sturdy socket]

it literally is

[spiral folio]

And so was the jet

[copper ice]

is heavy heli the attack heli

[plucky chasm]

It's only one or two vehicles bro lmao

[sturdy socket]

you are the type of person to unironically ask for lis's missile to charge faster or some shit

[plucky chasm]

It's not every vehicle

[royal swan]

Jets are one shot from lis rockets

[lethal path]

Who the fuck still plays this fucking garbage

[copper ice]

lis missile should recharge faster

[spiral folio]

Rapid fire lis

[plucky chasm]

Ooo Ellie is here

[spiral folio]

Control 4 rockets with 4 mices

[plucky chasm]

Lol

[sturdy socket]

anyway

[copper ice]

unironically, all the anti vehicle launchers in 2042 have horrible reload times

[royal swan]

10,000 people

[stiff pollen]

Lis one shots every air vehicle except the attack heli and transport, of which they take increased damage by flak and are large enough to get hit by 30mm’s, dumb fired rockets, etc

[plucky chasm]

Lis rocket should recharge faster yea

[sturdy socket]

solve the issue of Lis's rockets being bullshit and blatantly overpowered

[solar tinsel]

yeah flying feels weird too, and again its because when I'm aiming if there's any turning involved the projectile is so slow you can't even see where they land.I remember bF3 the cannons seemed to be lighting fast

[sturdy socket]

if infantry can carry a missile

[lethal path]

Poor people

[sturdy socket]

make it wire guided

not tv

[plucky chasm]

That takes skill to hit

[stiff pollen]

No they don’t

[sturdy socket]

wire-guided takes serious skill to hit

[plucky chasm]

Yes they do

[sturdy socket]

look at the sraw

[spiral folio]

The only good part about liss reload is if you Interrupt it, it starts where you left off

[stiff pollen]

They fly faster than the jets

[plucky chasm]

No they don't wtf

[royal swan]

More skill yeah, but because the rocket is now faster than the jet, its easier

[stiff pollen]

Lis missiles literally boost faster than the jets do

[limber orbit]

same as the M5

[copper fulcrum]

I'm just seeing crying pilots and it's great lol

[spiral folio]

Yea but the turn rate on the lis at boost is ass

[arctic grove]

Ikr

[limber orbit]

yea

[plucky chasm]

Boost is not easy to control

[arctic grove]

I’m a recon flanker lol

[stiff pollen]

Yea it is?

[limber orbit]

its making me diamonds ngl

[copper ice]

i don't think most vehicles should be 1hk from any rocket (fuck the little bird though) but lis should also regen rockets at a higher pace

[plucky chasm]

In any way shape or form

No it isnt

[spiral folio]

You cant out turn any vehicle with the lis at boost

[plain hare]

Jets are wicked easy to hit with Lis's tv if they go for a strafe on a ground target

[copper fulcrum]

Oh no, a chopper cannot go 40-0 anymore, whatever shall they do. Lis has to be removed, wah

[plucky chasm]

It's a skill rocket bro

[spiral folio]

So its purely intercept

[jovial jay]

Whats the vendetta against jets anyway, most jets I see they all go air-to-ground, infantry dont even get blown up that easily

[sturdy socket]

choppers should be easy to take down with teamwork, i.e soflam

[rocky kraken]

lis also just fucks tank gameplay

[stiff pollen]

There is none, the jets suck

[copper ice]

nerf flares, reduce launcher damage but buff recharge rate/reload speed, nerf Irish APS, nerf repair rate while taking damage

[jovial jay]

Shit will happen if they decide to add things like muromets of 2042

[sturdy socket]

Lis is not the way to balance it at all

[rocky kraken]

thats the main problem

land vehicles get fucked by lis

takes zero skill

[royal swan]

Jets need a huge ground attack buff

[arctic grove]

Tbh helicopters are still useful u just gotta be mindful of who’s prob aiming at u with a recoiless

[rocky kraken]

naw

[spiral folio]

When i hit the jet with a lis, he was approaching downward at around 2 oclock and i hit the back tail fin at boost

[copper fulcrum]

A single Lis cannot do shit about a tank unless she has C5 or Anti-Tank mines

[plucky chasm]

Lmao that's the way it is it's not one shot only on little bird and jet what other vehicle is one shot!!?

[granite island]

Jets aren't even that powerful

[rocky kraken]

they need to add a new ground pound plane

[royal swan]

I'm still wanting the mini gun to do splash damage

[limber orbit]

yea her MASSIVE damage on tanks really ruins it huh?

[copper fulcrum]

And if we're talking about more than one Lis then the conversation ends there lmao

[sturdy socket]

attack heli, stealth heli bud

[granite island]

You miss 99% of radar missiles thrown at infantry

[stiff pollen]

You literally just stated she can tho

[copper ice]

land vehicles have little defence against lis but she literally cannot kill them unless there's multiple of her and no one is defending the tank

[spiral folio]

The best lis can do to a full hp tank is annoy it so it wont keep pushing

[copper fulcrum]

Yeah but anyone with C5 can do shit about tanks

[plain hare]

Most people who hate jets in this game are just chopper pilots that cry about not being able to go 50-0

[stiff pollen]

C4, eod bot, AT mines, repair tool.

[copper ice]

a single Irish negates 50 lis

[jovial jay]

Beside if you piss someone off too much they'll probably use the nightbird and stalk your jet for the whole round

[plucky chasm]

Umm I'm pre sure that's 3 shot

[royal swan]

Unless the tanker is irish

[granite island]

Alright eod bot is literally useless against vehicles

[sturdy socket]

yeah you're definitely not playing the same game then

[plain hare]

Or people who camp with the railgun tank and don't wanna be AGM'd

[copper fulcrum]

Any Assault, Any Recon and Any Engineer can take out a tank with C5 if that's the case

[granite island]

Unless the person piloting the vehicle is dumb

[pine roost]

Stealth heli is a oneshot from lis

[spiral folio]

Tanks at 100% hp are very bold. Tanks at 80% hp get scared easily. So you dont get a kill/points but you reduce the tanks effectiveness

[royal swan]

Actually I find it fun against camping tanks with no friends

[limber orbit]

Attack heli is 3 shots and the stealth boy is one so is little bird

[plucky chasm]

Wrong land vehicles are strong compared to lis rocket she's meant to be an air counter

[pine roost]

So jets, scouts, stealths are all one shots. Transports and attack helis aren’t. Hmm, seems fair…

[plucky chasm]

It's 3 shot bros

[royal swan]

Isn't the attack heli two shots

[stiff pollen]

You literally run up with C4

[plain hare]

It should be, Stealth heli gets stealth mode, flares and crazy maneuverability, lis's rocket can't out turn it

[stiff pollen]

It’s easy af

[copper ice]

jet, stealth heli and little bird are 1hk from lis
attack and transport arent

[copper fulcrum]

A Lissile takes about 20% health to a tank, which means it takes 4-5, which is impossible for a Lis to do with just the rocket launcher due to the cooldown, reload speed and the fact that

You know, repair systems exist on a tank

[plucky chasm]

Which takes a risk and is not easy

Might get shot

[royal swan]

So

Risk and reward

[stiff pollen]

We are not playing the same game, majority of vehicle players have no awareness

[arctic grove]

Also the fact they could have a teammate

[sturdy socket]

me when 4 copium infused players run lis solely to counter the heli that killed them one time

[limber orbit]

seen someone say 3 but who knows i rarely go for air whenever i play lis

[copper ice]

I was in a wildcat earlier vs 5 lis and my repairbots kept me alive through every shot

[copper fulcrum]

Yeah but teamwork is always op no matter what

[sturdy socket]

lmao

[tepid briar]

does this look like giants of karelia? https://media.contentapi.ea.com/content/dam/battlefield/battlefield-2042/common/dev-update---feb-23/kin-com-s5conceptartexploration.png.adapt.1920w.png

[plucky chasm]

The ones on my servers do where u from

[royal swan]

You can go funny and c5 on a car and suicide into a tank

[sturdy socket]

ok

[copper fulcrum]

You run up to a guy laying down with 4 kolibris it'll work

[sturdy socket]

but that's teamwork

this

is solo

[stiff pollen]

The ones on your server must be on meth

[plucky chasm]

Lol

[sturdy socket]

you can oneshot a fucking attack/stealth

[copper fulcrum]

We're talking about someone running on foot with a girl that has red hair

[rocky kraken]

yall think platoons are being added or naw

[sturdy socket]

with lis

with

[plain hare]

Classic

[sturdy socket]

an easily controllable tv missile

for infantry

[granite island]

You know what would be cool

Placing a jammer

On top of a condor

[royal swan]

Classic and it works well

[arctic grove]

I actually have no problem with this

[stiff pollen]

We will see tomorrow if they even acknowledge lis

[copper ice]

you can't 1hk an attack heli with lis

[stiff pollen]

I get the feeling they won’t

[plain hare]

Damn straight

[sturdy socket]

if you fly air vehicles seriously at all you have a problem with this

[stiff pollen]

Because it’s dice

[arctic grove]

Stealth choppers are annoying asf

[copper fulcrum]

Yeah the Attack Helis lose 90% health to a Lis

[plucky chasm]

Exactly plus doesn't Crawford or some shit repair faster that's his skill? So I'm theory you can counter lis if you really want too

[plain hare]

Agreed

[granite island]

Stealth choppers are easy to kill

[royal swan]

Stealth choppers are so easy to kill

[granite island]

Annoying but easy

[plucky chasm]

What's happening tomorrow?

[copper fulcrum]

Lis is only a problem for Nightbirds but they can easily dodge it

[copper ice]

stop playing conquest and you avoid all pilot issues due to lack of aircraft

[arctic grove]

Fucking mini bombers💀

[sturdy socket]

stealth mode moment

[royal swan]

It's a glass cannon of the air

[rocky kraken]

bro

lis is broken

against anything

[copper fulcrum]

nah

[jovial jay]

Seems like ever since the casper drone c5 nerf people have been taking massive dose of anti vehicle copium

[tepid briar]

season 5 map Giants of Karelia?

[stiff pollen]

Reddit got the stealth chopper nerfed to oblivion to the point that literally anybody breathing on it makes it lose half its health

[rocky kraken]

...

[plucky chasm]

Nah she isn't backwards

[jovial jay]

Everyone tuned to Lis to solve their problem

[limber orbit]

or golmud

[rocky kraken]

lis ruins the game

tbh

no skill giner

ginger

[limber orbit]

not really

[plucky chasm]

Lis makes the game fun wdym

[sturdy socket]

here's how you actually balance the stealth heli: let the tracer dart lock through its stealth mode

[rocky kraken]

typical

[arctic grove]

Meanwhile I mained her since I didn’t like the recons much

[sturdy socket]

problem solved

[royal swan]

Bro c5 + car strat, it's not that hard

[rocky kraken]

bro

[copper ice]

because the AA launcher doesn't work on aircraft because flares are so fucking strong

[arctic grove]

Now I’m back to recon lol

[copper fulcrum]

It's nice to see vehicle players whine

[rocky kraken]

the only person having fun is lis

everyone else suffers

[copper ice]

Everyone runs lis because the AA launcher is SHIT

[copper fulcrum]

"Everyone else"

[rocky kraken]

the sane people suffer

[sturdy socket]

lis players don't even know how to have fun

[granite island]

Please dice

[plucky chasm]

I thought that didn't work

[rocky kraken]

just remove the fucking character

[granite island]

Let me place a jammer on top of vehicles

[copper fulcrum]

It works!

I do it all the time

[sturdy socket]

they literally swap to Lis after dying to a weak ass attack heli once

[royal swan]

It works

[rocky kraken]

counter sniping is gone now

[sturdy socket]

out of major copium

[arctic grove]

No

[plucky chasm]

Ikr they gotta get off their vehicle and play infrantry for once wahhhh

[rocky kraken]

because lis can just send a rocket faster than a sniper bullet

lol

[royal swan]

Really well, I got MVP on vehicles destroyed by doing it

[plucky chasm]

Oh ok I better try that

[stiff pollen]

I play infantry and I’m good at it, lis invalidates every vehicle and forces an even further cycle of the vehicles camping in uncap.

[copper fulcrum]

That's some hyperbole lol

[granite island]

But it would be cool

[rocky kraken]

its faster than a jet

is that a hyperbole

[copper fulcrum]

Not faster than a bullet

[arctic grove]

This man using literacy elements💀

[copper ice]

just shoot the lissile

[plucky chasm]

Lis rockets arnt good on land vehicles

That's the nerf

[royal swan]

HOWEVER, it's best to flank and be patient they can easily kill you and spot you

[stiff pollen]

You didn’t play season 1

[plucky chasm]

So

[sturdy socket]

not practical

[stiff pollen]

Lis missiles were killing tanks out of spawn

[copper ice]

We arent 15 patches ago bro

[sturdy socket]

especially with multiple heading towards you

[plucky chasm]

Well they can't now man

[stiff pollen]

They still can if they don’t run APS

[solar tinsel]

it is true that Lis is better against air than ground now

[stiff pollen]

Which is the final unlock

[plucky chasm]

Hmm ok so they are observant

[copper fulcrum]

I mean, one man against multiple, the one man is usually more fucked

[granite island]

Lis missiles are basically half map distance

[tepid briar]

@limber orbit this concept art shows more trees than golmud. https://media.contentapi.ea.com/content/dam/battlefield/battlefield-2042/common/dev-update---feb-23/kin-com-s5conceptartexploration.png.adapt.1920w.png

[plucky chasm]

Oh really that's kinda vad

Bad

[plain hare]

Stealth helis having flares and stealth mode along with better anti infantry weapons than the attack chopper, along with crazy maneuverability is fucking absurd imo, I'm thankful lis is in the game for that reason alone

[limber orbit]

decades my man

[copper ice]

lis does not kill tanks out of spawn unless there's multiple lis and the tank has no support

[royal swan]

I mean if the guy is a wildcat user be careful but if it's a Tor, easy pickings

[arctic grove]

Meanwhile the two crawfords💀

[plucky chasm]

It's decades later won't more trees pop up

[solar tinsel]

Keep in mind it's not meant to be a straight remake either

[pine roost]

If they were like the SRAW we wouldn’t be having this conversation

[tepid briar]

ohhhh

[royal swan]

Wildcat users have their perception max