battlefield-2042

[pine roost]

Especially in vehicles

[arctic grove]

Yea

[solar obsidian]

cant wait for the week they add lis rocket challenges 🙂

[pine roost]

Being too cocky and pushing too far out without consideration of the threats is how you die

[arctic grove]

But tanks aren’t scary in 2042 cuz yk theyre easy to kill

[solar obsidian]

thats gonna be wild

[arctic grove]

Now a fucking tank in bf5

Lorrrd

[fervent rose]

people just dont want to learn the ways to do it ig

because they arent easy to kill if you do the right things

[pine roost]

I usually just smoke them to completely nullify them

[arctic grove]

I get to much ptsd of that fucking tiger

It was 2 of em

[pine roost]

Or get an attack heli on the go

[solar obsidian]

smoke nulify tanks or ?

how ?

[arctic grove]

Yea just gotta be on the move

[pine roost]

Well they can’t see

[solar obsidian]

third person camera fixes everything

[pine roost]

Forces them to reposition. Sure you can see over it with the camera but getting an accurate shot on isn’t quite as easy unless they simply maintain crosshair placement from the last shot

[mental delta]

What are you dudes talking about ?

[solar obsidian]

tonks

[mental delta]

I really appreciate normal tanks

[solar obsidian]

we are all special in here

[pine roost]

I wish Azura and knispel played tanks more. The people I used to watch to learn better vehicle gameplay have all just dipped

[fervent rose]

theres not much to even go into, its no wonder

[mental delta]

I don't like new tanks while I'm a tank dude

[arctic grove]

I honestly like using the wildcat more then tanks

Bc of the speed

[mental delta]

[fervent rose]

the ram is the fun one

[arctic grove]

And also the weak one

[mental delta]

How can you even dare to say it

[fervent rose]

but HE shells are also fun

[mental delta]

Tanks are incredible compared to other vehicles

[arctic grove]

I like APC’s more

[mental delta]

MAV ?

[solar obsidian]

apc standing by

5 engineers

[pine roost]

I mean prolosco has put 2 videos out since launch, azura has done like 3, knispel 2. I have to go back and find guides for past games which only help a small bit

[solar obsidian]

capture main base and sell

[paper ravine]

Does anyone know of any BF2042 esports teams or competitions to join? Is esports even a thing anymore? I just remember BF4 had like a USA team and Europe team, it was cool af

[arctic grove]

MAV is pretty goated

I took down trash tank players in it

[eager spire]

to be fair vehicle gameplay is not very deep or has much skill to it so of course there's not much to go over

[fervent rose]

you wanna compete in 2042

i dead

[solar obsidian]

battlefield esport is dead, even trackmania are pulling bigger tourneys now

[pine roost]

I think there are some, I don’t know if any personally though. Would love to have it make a resurgence

[paper ravine]

I figured i haven’t seen anything since BFH. thank you.

[fervent rose]

what

[solar obsidian]

so bf2 3 and 4 was shit and unfun got it 🙂

[pine roost]

Somehow cod has an esport which baffles me because that game looks like the worst competitive experience I’ve ever seen

[paper ravine]

That’s fair. It was a dumb question I just miss the bf4 Days when it was an esport but I’m

[solar obsidian]

have you seen fifa ultimate team ?

[fervent rose]

does anyone actually respect cod esports though

[next onyx]

I'm not sure about Comp for 2042 sorry.

[pine roost]

I don’t associate with fifa or football at all

[solar obsidian]

ultimate team is a pay to win mode you have to invest heavily in just to compete

[next onyx]

Most comp players I know have given up on this game.

[mental delta]

Guys you remember when I said complete nonsense like 30 seconds ago when I said esport was shit, it was just your imagination I've never said that

[paper ravine]

I’ve competed in cod for 2 years in college. It’s not fun. I play it bc i signed up most of the time. Gets really frustrating and boring. Nobody cares about teamwork just individually being the best. Lots of trash talk etc. that and hackers

[mental delta]

I like those last 2 games more than every other game so no

[acoustic seal]

there was a grand total of one tournament run when 2042 was brand new and nothing since

[gloomy wyvern]

So, great job Dice...you know what you did. Now to explain what they did to those who don't know.

With the introduction of season 4, Dice has introduced a new tactic I and many others will be calling Im a bitch.

Players will now select this new operator knowing that they can run stealth helio & other craft as such just to be a bitch.

Prove me wrong

[solar obsidian]

but they had an esport

[fervent rose]

@gloomy wyvern lmao what

[paper ravine]

I mean at least they’re not trying to make it an esport. They are aware BF doesn’t work as an esport so not trying to make it one

[solar obsidian]

are you banned from twitter ?

[mental delta]

COD casual is already a strange experience so I don't want to know what COD looks like in esport

[gloomy wyvern]

No

[pine roost]

I can’t see how there’s any way to express your skill with that ttk, lacklustre movement, killstreaks, perks and gadgets that all completely nullify someone’s ability to perform because one hit kills you or stuns you to the point where you simply can’t retaliate

[young wharf]

Man, the railgun tank would be so much cooler if dice programmed stuff to be destroyed

[acoustic seal]

it's entirely artificial, roller aimbots fighting against other roller aimbots

[mental delta]

Yeah esport is fun it was just your imagination, you thought I said all esport games were shit but it wasn't actually me it was another guy

[solar obsidian]

you want proper destruction on stuff, company of heroes 3 are just around the corner

[pine roost]

Although this is based off the recent cod’s, the older cod’s had less of this but I’d imagine it was still somewhat the same

[solar obsidian]

no problem 😄

[young wharf]

Yeah, but it's in ww2 and it's RTS

[eager spire]

occasionally you'll get KBM players on CoD trying to do stuff but it's really fighting uphill

[next gulch]

doesn't competitive Cod use controllers

[pine roost]

Yes

[eager spire]

officially, yes

Ranked Play allows KBM players tho

[mental delta]

No question is dumb mate you ask everything you want I just don't like esport personally it has nothing to do with BF or COD

[young wharf]

Honestly I'm tired of WW2 games and confused why COH refuses to go to the pacific front

[eager spire]

because why wouldn't it

[acoustic seal]

yeah, autorotation and ADS lockon are too insane to not use

[mental delta]

Sorry lad just a bit tired tonight

[next gulch]

lol

[mental delta]

It's aimbot wars lmao, why don't we just let bots battling with each other like a metaverse shit

[gloomy wyvern]

Food for thought,
Before & during a push to an update with such drastic change to flow. You should incorporate a new mode in both Conquest & Breakthrough supporting no vehicles. Then use the player interaction with these modes to understand your demographic better

[eager spire]

i have the best video to post if we're talking about controllers and aim assist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtLETaKsLwY

[solar obsidian]

we should all play ut 2004

[acoustic seal]

get on quake champions

[pine roost]

If it has players still I will

[eager spire]

local sorlag main on quake champions

[mental delta]

You lads completed the survey ?

[solar obsidian]

naah

[pine roost]

Yeah

[mental delta]

All votes matter

[acoustic seal]

considering most of the questions were about whether they were posting on twitter enough, i'm assuming my feedback is going straight into the trash

[mental delta]

I personally took that opportunity to shit on specialists

[solar obsidian]

https://youtu.be/0TxnYszJe_8

[paper ravine]

I just ask because I love esports. I’ve always loved video games and now that it’s getting national recognition it makes me happy. I just also love battlefield and competing and I feel like its a missing opportunity in a sense. However, it’s not known for esports. I just think having a squad and full massive teams of like 32 people all in a chat and stuff would be a blast. In like operations or something

[young wharf]

I've never understood cod, it seems most people who play it actively hate the game and 80 percent of the time they play

[solar obsidian]

limeprime bot confirmed

[arctic grove]

Sounds like an Average Battlefield Player

[acoustic seal]

the only 2042 matches that were ever run were 4v4 rush, high playercounts are way too random

[pine roost]

I always assumed competitive took place on smaller modes

[paper ravine]

Hold

[young wharf]

Really most I've met seem really chill.

Just that one or two sweat in the lobby blowing up yell chat and the milsim people who don't have a job

[eager spire]

yeah, competitive BF was generally 5v5/8v8

[arctic grove]

Actually this is accurate

[pine roost]

I’d much rather play bf in a small environment than cod

[eager spire]

yeah same

[paper ravine]

https://youtu.be/rI6U3fFIQg4

[arctic grove]

Imagine having competitive 32v32

[next onyx]

I remember squad heist back in BFH.

[young wharf]

Because maps like shipment make me wanna redeploy

[mental delta]

Unfortunately I think Battlefield doesn't attract a lot of people in esport, but for me it says something good about BF, I think it doesn't attract a lot of people in esport because BF is just a game made to be played cooperatively and with strategy while esport is essentially about competition

[paper ravine]

This is what I’m referring to when I say I watched it back in the day

[paper ravine]

Very true. Double edged sword

[eager spire]

imagine trying to run that shit. imagine the comms.

[paper ravine]

That would be crazy but fun af hahahaha. You might have to separate it into squad voice channels

[young wharf]

Battlefield-like games usually don't.

Outfit wars proves this

[arctic grove]

Hell Let Loose was pretty good in comms. Not as bad as i thought.

[paper ravine]

I thought I was gonna get shit on when I brought this up but it’s nice to have an actual conversation about it. Thanks guys

[mental delta]

To me BF doesn't need esport because it can be good enough to just attract people by itself, I mean it doesn't need to be promoted via multiple events or via twitch, if a BF game is a good it will just attract a lot of people, just like BF1 at his time

[eager spire]

eh, it wouldn't be that fun, it would be a pain to even make teams that large and make sure that all players are available and present and also you'd have to have a significantly large prize pool to adequately compensate the winning team.

[mental delta]

Yeah that's why I consider them almost superior, they just require cooperation and strategy which only a few game nowadays require, that's why BF is unique and more different than COD than what people think

[fervent rose]

and usually the esports modes in bf look barely like a normal bf game

its not exciting to the casual viewer

[eager spire]

I do like smaller scale matches and modes though.

inb4 just play CoD

[fervent rose]

okay but you're not getting massive views on twitch with 4v4 rush any time soon

even if the rush maps were actually good

[young wharf]

Planetside's 48 person strat is usually zerg a base, so yeah.

It basically becomes unmanageable, even with advanced comms and practice/tools.

[rocky kraken]

guns would have to actually have recoil lol

[pine roost]

At a fundamental level battlefield just has better infantry mechanics

Although yes vertical recoil is ridiculously low on this

[mental delta]

Yeah I don't like a esport but I heard it didn't look fun or entertaining

[next onyx]

I like comp because it gets you to improve.

[pine roost]

I’d watch it, but primarily to learn things to improve my own game. But most of the populous don’t care about self improvement, just gun shoot bad guy

[next onyx]

It's the main reason why I cared for it.

[eager spire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnKxchPw0l8

[next onyx]

I stole a clan leaders tags in comp.

[mental delta]

BF is the perfect mix between some strategic/cooperative gameplay and casual stuff, it's not hard enough so you want to play it but you still need some good execution and strategy to win, there are not a lot of games which do that nowadays

[idle lion]

if that game had destruction and artillery

it would be a way more strat based game

[fervent rose]

and it still has random lobbies instead of some weird algorithm garbage

its fun

[mental delta]

Yeah it's why I like BF, bew players are just in the same team as good and experienced players which makes it fun to play

[arctic grove]

I mean I could see esports in 2042 but the movement…

[arctic grove]

It’s too quick for it lol

[rocky bear]

Oh that was great

[eager spire]

what about quick movement is bad for esports?

[rocky bear]

I love this game

[young wharf]

Then we'd have even worse lag

[mental delta]

I wouldn't tbh, but for the reason BF doesn't need to me, if people want competitive stuff they can play COD, Valorant or Apex, BF is just more fun to play calmly

[tough folio]

sbmm is always bad

[arctic grove]

Well the older ones were slower so I thought that played a role into the “sport” of Bf

[young wharf]

And performance

[tough folio]

unless in ranked

[arctic grove]

This tbh

[fervent rose]

no its fine in some games like Dota and Halo

[arctic grove]

Tho private tournaments would be nice lol

[idle lion]

true but if we ignore lag and performance, it would likely be way more strategic than before

cause rn all you do is get a platoon and zerg rush a single base

[tough folio]

halo infinite, i can tell the game wants me to go on lose streaks when i play social, it has horrible sbmm

[fervent rose]

no i meant older halos with that tbh, i dont much like Infinite

[pine roost]

The lack of enforced smbb honestly makes improvement more satisfying. At the lower levels you get to help out by repairing, spotting, healing and you are still useful to the team. At about the average level you start to rise up above the rest, but the few top tier players inspire you to pursue that level. Then once you get to that top level you can perform incredibly well and feel a tangible improvement

[young wharf]

No, it would be 12 tanks railing a base until it was flat

[mental delta]

I agree some kind of tournaments on 3 matches for example would be fun, with special cosmetics rewards or XP boosts, but only for fun purpose, making BF competitive wouldn't be a good idea to me

[idle lion]

well yes until the team holding the base calls in arty to kill the 12 tanks

[young wharf]

We don't have arty

[arctic grove]

Def not

[young wharf]

We have the lib

[tough folio]

bf is more of a casual game tbh. i cant see it being an esport

[pine roost]

SBMM works with a ranking system, but when there isn’t one, there is simply no satisfaction in improvement, so why bother

[arctic grove]

Ea already has apex lol

[rocky bear]

No way

[idle lion]

yeah earlier i mentioned if the game had arty and destruction

[young wharf]

Basically no because that would be cancer

They do have the TV rpg though

And that's about it

[fervent rose]

and how do you properly score a bf player's actions

its too open ended of a game

[mental delta]

Like winning 3 matches in a row in the same lobby and win a special cosmetic would be actual fun, perfect mix between something almost competitive and something really casual and fun

[arctic grove]

Could be good for hazard zone Ig

[sturdy socket]

me reviving 40 people in a match and that gets me thrown into a match against esports sweats whose body fat has left them fused with the chair they sat on

[eager spire]

Hazard Zone is bad tho

[arctic grove]

Like a smaller condense version of it

[pine roost]

That is a bit of a conundrum I will agree. It’s easy to pad your stats. But when I play I simply look at a death and consider it a mistake, so I usually gauge my performance off of kd

[mental delta]

Yup HZ could have been fun enough but it suffered from severe lack of content just like every other gamemodes

[pine roost]

I don’t look into other players stats, I’d watch them play and deduce from that where I think they stand in terms of skill

[eager spire]

BuT kIlLs DoN't MaTtEr, JuSt PtFo BrO

[solar obsidian]

i had zero deaths because i had my sniper ass covered by a medic hiding out of line of sight at all time 🙂

[fervent rose]

teamwork bruh

[tough folio]

they really dont if blue team just allows backcaps, its ridiculous

[eager spire]

are you serious?

[acoustic seal]

as a start, higher weight to killing people on/near flags, higher weight to revives that get a kill in the next 10 seconds

[eager spire]

like are you actually saying this to me right now

and being serious about that

[fervent rose]

but its still very random

[pine roost]

The randomness is annoying

[fervent rose]

trying to make sbmm work in bf would be an absolute pain in the ass to figure out

[tough folio]

yes ptfo, im trying to play my vehicle without getting blasted by wildcat at spawn

[acoustic seal]

the game is inherently way too random but there are easy metrics to pick out if you really wanted to

[pine roost]

But me thinking the way I do, whenever something like that happens I always assume it’s an error on my part. Which often leaves me in a bit of a sorry state but there we go

[eager spire]

yes but i would love to know how you expect people to play the objective without killing

like i don't understand the logic of kills not mattering, but the objective does

[solar obsidian]

meanwhile fortnite have both ranked and sbmm

[arctic grove]

We’re not saying kills don’t matter

[solar obsidian]

same as apex

[eager spire]

I've seen people who unironically make that statement though

[arctic grove]

Just get kills while playing the obj

[fervent rose]

i have people say that to me in game occasionally "kills dont matter"

lmao

[arctic grove]

It’s that shrimple

[eager spire]

people acting like getting kills and playing the objective are different things

[solar obsidian]

guys its okay,

battlefield will never be a good competitive experience anyways,

its all about the battlefield moments

and skins,

[arctic grove]

Yea

P much

[pine roost]

I still play it with a competetive mindset

[next onyx]

Comp gets you to improve so I don't see anything against it.

[pine roost]

But it’s not one that has the balance and consistency to be declared one officially

[fervent rose]

its all about the bOINS

[pine roost]

The way I see it, you can’t identify a game as casual or competetive. It boils down entirely to the individual and how they want to play

[eager spire]

Battlefield players? Wanting to improve and get better at the game?

[next gulch]

Most competitive experiences in BF usually go shitbucket vehicle player vs another shitbucket vehicle player

[eager spire]

unheard of. Not allowed.

anyone who does that is a sweat and nobody likes those

[pine roost]

I mean, battlefield is far from a milsim experience yet you know there is an unhealthy number who play it like one

[fervent rose]

thats the least exciting thing because they both have a repair guy

[next gulch]

yeah they never die the whole round, BF4 is the worst BF for it

I am enjoying 2042 immensely because those people can't really do it here

[fervent rose]

it does take more effort than bf4 thermal boats etc

that game's vehicles were insane

[next gulch]

hence why you just never see it in 2042 lol

I am a vehicle player myself, and I think vehicle's in 2042 are balanced. But in some maps, the spawns need to be upped a bit

[acoustic seal]

that's only because lis is fucking stupid, irish APS and radar jammer without lis would make vehicle gameplay even more braindead than bf4

[pine roost]

Maybe it would have been better for them to split the survey and feedback chat into two separate posts

Since the survey is now buried underneath everything else

[eager spire]

yeah

weird choice on their part to be honest

don't even wanna know what shit people are saying in there tbh

[pine roost]

Most people will probably look and not find it

[eager spire]

people are probably have some fucking nuclear takes in there

[acoustic seal]

scroll up half a page and you'll find a small novel about "PC OP please turn off crossplay"

[next onyx]

It's in the pins but yeah it's due to get buried.

[acoustic seal]

it's bad in there man

[eager spire]

my god

[pine roost]

You’ve got the age old pc and console argument

Some people asking for things that are already in the game

[eager spire]

the redditors

[pine roost]

One person said they want the free fire on javelins to come to console because apparently javelins can do that only on pc

Which they can’t, they need a lock on both

[eager spire]

I wanna look into that person's brain

and see what universe they've created where that's a thing

[pine roost]

Someone wants MORE weight on jets which is the complete opposite of what I want

Oh and there’s just been one about all the aim bots

[eager spire]

???

what?

[pine roost]

Cause of course every pc player is an aimbot

Oh and I had a thing today where I destroyed a spawn beacon and somebody just spawned where it was about 10 seconds later. Anyone else?

[acoustic seal]

it's been in the last 3-4 games, it's a feature at this point

[fervent rose]

when you kill the beacon, watch it for another 4-5 seconds

[pine roost]

Learnt that the hard way then

[fervent rose]

yea its been like that for a while

[pine roost]

Falck just appeared with a ‘hello there’

Very infuriating

[fervent rose]

thats one i dont expect them fixing maybe ever

[pine roost]

Could be something fundemental to the engine

Like maybe the intervals between icon states on the deployment menu is long enough so that there’s that offset between destroying it and then spawning on it

Icons can sometimes stick around a bit after something has been destroyed, even vehicles, so that would make some sense

[sturdy socket]

me in 4 when I run alternate vehicle loadouts

nobody expects you to get out, have your buddy get in the front seat with a different shell, and bypass the reload

it's even more effective in Rush because of the limited vehicles

[eager spire]

I swear getting out and then going back in a vehicle is actually a strat in BF4

[sturdy socket]

it actually is

because in a lot of vehicles if not all the reload is bypassed if you carry different loadouts

[eager spire]

Like, I’ve seen Focus do that.

[sturdy socket]

it's very effective if you know what you're doing

i'd disclose a supply box trick from the commander but then everyone would do it

but let's just say that it restocks your secondary tank shell endlessly if you're next to it

so infinite staffs, guideds, etc.

[eager spire]

Barely anyone runs commander in BF4 anymore tho

[sturdy socket]

i still do, and i appreciate anyone who does

takes only two guys to dominate the map with soflam gear

bunch that with a commander that lets you throw suavs with zero cooldown

hilarious

[rocky kraken]

wonder if commander will make it into 2042

with squads

i doubt it

[tepid agate]

I liked using commander on the iPad with bf4.

[rocky kraken]

i feel like commander in 2042 would be super cool

and i honestly hope they do it

[arctic grove]

Everytime I scope in with the Zain special weapon XM370A my game freezed for a couple seconds. 6900 xt, i9 10900k

[tepid agate]

Get back the cruise missiles and gunships.

[rocky kraken]

i mean might as well go all out on it

[tepid agate]

Having a commander also encouraged more sqaud teamplay, as you would receive perks for following orders. 2042 currently has no reason or benefit of being a leader of a sqaud.

[calm bison]

I just hope they say they’re going to go farther with content support in tomorrow’s dev update

[tepid agate]

They are giving atleast 5 seasons

[rocky kraken]

i have high hopes

they are doing way to much to just drop the game

prime example

the podcasts

why go through all that effort for nothing

[tepid agate]

Seems strange interviewing themselves. Would be more interesting if they interviewed and answered fan questions.

[rocky kraken]

they did one of those

i think the questions they ask

are based off our questions

[tepid agate]

Oh yes I get that but have like a live stream with fans

[rocky kraken]

like they revealed alot about map design

they diod

[arctic grove]

That is a blessing and a curse tbh

[rocky kraken]

they did

it was a gameplay twitch stream and they took questions from chat

[tepid agate]

Not the streamers they paid to play the game

[rocky kraken]

of course they choose the ones they want to oanswer

[calm bison]

I would not be mad if they dragged this game out to a Season 8

[arctic grove]

Oh nice

[rocky kraken]

no the devs did

[calm bison]

Even a season 10

[tepid agate]

Ah that's cool

[rocky kraken]

s8 would be good

the game would probably be far superior to bf5 at that point

[arctic grove]

Would 20 seasons be overkill?

[tepid agate]

Is next season number 4?

[rocky kraken]

yeah

but bf games only usually get 1.5 years of support

[calm bison]

Hopefully now that since they’re running out of map reworks and are no longer getting new specialists they can afford to make more maps

[rocky kraken]

unless ea cuts them off

like bf5

which most likely will happen

[tepid agate]

I'd rather then focus more on delivering a better quality of life lunch game in the next title.

[calm bison]

Hardline 2 please

[arctic grove]

And GUNS

[rocky kraken]

idk

[tepid agate]

Not too fussed what direction as in era, but they must go back to classes from launch and offers ways to encourage more teamplay.

[rocky kraken]

s5 will probably be the last season update

[potent trench]

Can we please have a standalone Commander app again? idk why EA/DICE stopped supporting them
it's a great time waster during commuter to work

[calm bison]

Maybe the last season but not the last content update?

[tepid agate]

Who knows I didn't even think this game would make it past season 4 and they are

[potent trench]

future BF games need commander and a standalone mobile app for the commander mode lol

[arctic grove]

Maaaan the commanders I played with were power hungry toddlers

[rocky kraken]

idk

[calm bison]

Why do we need commander mode? BFV did it better

[rocky kraken]

ea would only allow content if it included payed battlepass

[arctic grove]

Yea srsly I’d much rather take squad points

[rocky kraken]

so if they continued it would be in seasons

wait

dev update is tomorrow right?

[potent trench]

solely for the purpose of the standalone Commander app on tablet device

[arctic grove]

Yes

[tepid agate]

I don't think they will spend 5 seasons reworking their launch maps. Surely they will give a 6th season to focus solemnly on 2042.

[arctic grove]

It’s tomorrow

[potent trench]

I really love what they did for BF4 with the commander app lol

[tepid agate]

Same. I played that a lot.

[calm bison]

Eh

I never cared for commander mode

[arctic grove]

But squad point system is simply better

[calm bison]

I found it too boring

[arctic grove]

Buy smoke stirkes

Rangers

Cruise missles

[tepid agate]

2042 needs a sqaud point system

[calm bison]

The squad requisition method BFV had was better because it rewarded your squad for working together

BF4’s commander mode was just waiting for your team to cap flags

[tepid agate]

Just use elements of the commander mode for squad point

[arctic grove]

God damn I wished I wrote this in my feedback

Fuck

I would’ve begged for squad requisitions

[tepid agate]

Follow orders and earn X amount of points to earn a cruise missile or gunship

[calm bison]

And very rarely did I feel like commander made a difference

[arctic grove]

All they do is drop emps, UAV, and gunship

That’s It

[tepid agate]

You not notice a UAV always over you? Lol

[calm bison]

BF1 behemoths were more effective

[calm bison]

Yeah. How useful

[tepid agate]

I can't imagine behemoths in 2042 though

[calm bison]

Wouldn’t make sense

[tepid agate]

They just need a way to make sqauds work together and reward them

[arctic grove]

Well I just hope squad requisitions is atleast an idea for dice

[calm bison]

BFV squad call in tanks were the closest to behemoths and they were actually useful and terrifying

[arctic grove]

They did say something abt squad management

[calm bison]

I’m going to admit something

[arctic grove]

I forgot when tho

[tepid agate]

Yeah that massive German rocket tank

[calm bison]

I’m like 90% I [REDACTED] when I saw a Sturmtiger

[arctic grove]

Soooo in 2042 would it just be a artillery truck

Like a truck with a giant mortar on the back

[calm bison]

The sturmtiger was absolutely terrifying

It didn’t matter what tank you were in

If it got a bead on you

[arctic grove]

Idk if there’s a modern sturm tiger💀

[calm bison]

You were fucked

[tepid agate]

There's tons more stuff they COULD add but just see how it goes

[calm bison]

There isn’t because the concept is incredibly stupid

[arctic grove]

Yea

[calm bison]

The Sturmtiger is 380 MM

[arctic grove]

Very stupid

[tepid agate]

Took over a year for a javelin to enter the 2042 Battlefield so let's see what else should be here

[calm bison]

It’s a battleship mortar on a Tiger chassis

The closest the Allies had to it was the Churchill AVRE

[arctic grove]

Sir barely of the maps have water near em

Well actually

[calm bison]

Well now we know why they put it on a tank

[arctic grove]

Maybe 5-6

[tepid agate]

Boats will make it to the battlefield in the future I guess

[arctic grove]

How abt instead of a sturm tiger in 2042

It’s a bomber

[tepid agate]

Stealth bomber call in

[arctic grove]

Yeaaaaa

that’ll be nice

[tepid agate]

They leaned too much into specialists and their special individual traits which took away elements of teamwork and made it more about what you do with your character

[arctic grove]

Honestly

[tepid agate]

Lots of fun ideas they could add with squad points again

[arctic grove]

U can still have teamwork with them

[tepid agate]

But when it's not encouraged, it doesn't work so good

If being a leader and following order actually gave squad points I'm sure teamwork would be more ongoing

[arctic grove]

Yea def

[tepid agate]

I even went back to bfV just for daily missions at some point, it was like, incentive to play even though I had completed weekly missions.

[arctic grove]

Yk u could recommend them this on the feedback survey they posted @tepid agate

If ur really trying to help them add this

[tepid agate]

Nah I've said it many times before. I even got like 80+ thumps up about ideas to encourage teamplay with sqaud points. I comments on their YouTube feedback video and... Nothing.

I just let it be for what it is I'm not super passionate about 2042. Just like discussing ways it can improve.

[arctic grove]

Hey getting the idea out is still good

Just saying

[tepid agate]

It's okay I am happy to do weekly missions then play MW lol

[arctic grove]

Ugh I can barely play that game now💀

[tepid agate]

I am taking a break from 2042 this week though because I completed the season pass last week.

I just play DMZ or try the new events to unlock the new guns.

[arctic grove]

Yea but I got bored of it p quickly

Idky

Fun concept

Good gameplay

[tepid agate]

Well, it is free so I'll take it

[arctic grove]

True

[kindred flint]

how the hell does a team that loses all but the last mcom on stranded rush XL survive a 650 ticket meatgrinder and win

[arctic grove]

what did the 🍆 say to the condom?

cover me i'm going in

[tepid agate]

🎻

[upbeat sand]

What did I walk into

[arctic grove]

That shit sucked

U walked into a trash joke

[arctic grove]

lol

it was quiet so i figured id tell a joke

[proper vapor]

Did they take some maps out breakthrough? I hardly ever get the sandstorm map or the one thats just shipwrecks

[solar obsidian]

https://youtu.be/LQCZTxzW6A0

[pseudo pecan]

rush xl is back!!! non stop chaos lets go

[solar obsidian]

the mad lad released it!

[upbeat sand]

Rise and shine and smell the reflections

[solar obsidian]

path traced half life

its everything

[rocky kraken]

I would be satisfied if they add cruise missile for squad points

[upbeat sand]

I mean seeing how it worked, it being an Easter egg and the different timed explosion I’d say ya

They did tease the S3 stuff with the Crawford radios

[rocky kraken]

I mean they could just make the explosion smaller

A squad call in of an army of rangers

[upbeat sand]

I wish we got more rangers

Or at least skins

[ebon pilot]

add Titanfall spectres

make them slower but beefier

[next gulch]

Add mortars I agree

[ebon pilot]

no

[next gulch]

Virgin anti mortar battlefield players

[upbeat sand]

Add the Bc2 airstike

[next gulch]

^

[upbeat sand]

They already have it in portal

And the explosion is tiny so there isn’t going to be mortar spam

And the cool-down is long

[next gulch]

Artillery Trucks also, idk why people hated those. Was always a free kill 99% of the time

not the boring BF1 one's

[upbeat sand]

I really don’t like vehicles from before Bfv

Bf1 and back where too spammy

[hard geyser]

Just got an email saying season 4 battle pass live now 🤣

Wish it was real.

[next gulch]

I miss the BF3 artillery truck from Armored Kill DLC

[dark mural]

I am hyped for S4.

[rapid flint]

guys how to not die from zain airburst gun?

do i have to literally give up my cover?

[eager spire]

run

[fervent rose]

pray. and run.

[empty tartan]

play dozer

[rocky kraken]

is 2042 down

God damn

[rapid flint]

like i was playing as attacker in stranded

[fervent rose]

yea thats a zain playground

[rapid flint]

theres a dropdown from a hill near A1

i was hiding behind a container there

[rocky kraken]

best way to block airburst is to pray

[fervent rose]

uninstall, really

[rocky kraken]

thats all the advice i can give

[fervent rose]

nothing you can really do

[rapid flint]

i knew i was getting airbursted but theres literally nowhere else to run

[fervent rose]

you can play irish and constantly hug your APS

which is clunky and slow

[rocky kraken]

bro

SERVERS

WORK PLEASE

[rapid flint]

i wish Irish could carry aps around like Boris with his turret xd

[digital cliff]

Popping in to say the BF1 Mortar variant of the Artillery truck was dope & clutch dealing with rat infantry.

Launching the smoke mortar only to follow up with the gas mortar was a great farm lol.

[rocky kraken]

i feel like 2042 is lacking multiple systems

weapon crates

squad call ins

[dapper night]

Good thing Metro or Locker doesn’t exist in this game yet

[rocky kraken]

actual air to ground support

yet

[digital cliff]

Would be nice if Metro/Locker would stay gone. Underground or Dragon Palace would be preferable

[wary portal]

hey i wish they bring back the salvager mackay skin.

[dapper night]

Or Pearl Market

[wary portal]

i want that shit so freaking bad.

[rapid flint]

i wanted the ac42 skin from the twilight bundle :c

[digital cliff]

Actually Operation Whiteout and that BF4 map with the sunken restaurant ship would be nice to

Naval maps

Perhaps?

[rocky kraken]

too bad portal gets no leove

love

and s5 map will not even be a rework

it will just be a place connected to bf45

bf4

[digital cliff]

Portal has no substance to sustain my attention for long unfortunately

[rocky kraken]

honestly

portal isnt worth fixing anymore

just remake it into its own game

[dapper night]

Same I think it’s because the way handled the server plus the XP problem

[digital cliff]

Don't forget the massive surge of bot farms with the cruddy browser

[fervent rose]

the portal content was extremely sub par

[dapper night]

Which killed off the Portal on launch by disabling xp iirc

[fervent rose]

the only good feeling portal stuff is the ones they port over and fix

for the vault guns

it's just a big waste cause nobody wants to use stuff that feels so mediocre

[digital cliff]

So many weapons they could've used from previous titles to fill out base game flubbed it

However I'd still rock a M4A1, G36C, MG36, MG3 or 4, M40 and DEagle

Throw in the G3 smg & DAO 12 for the smg & Shotgun enjoyers

[rocky kraken]

there is still a shit ton of data mined portal guns

not sure if they are gonna make it to the game

rpk aug etc

[digital cliff]

Lack of a Mk11 Mod 0 is sad

[vital mauve]

Anyone else get happy when they release they killed a AOD player

[rocky kraken]

whats aod

[vital mauve]

Some trash team ig

[rocky kraken]

lol

[vital mauve]

Probably some of them in this server

[eager spire]

never heard of 'em

[vital mauve]

Oh yeah a lot of them are in this server

Seen them in 2042 and V

[kindred flint]

the best cringe moments are when there are 8+ aod on a team

[digital cliff]

6 star clan is the only ones I remember

[vital mauve]

And they are all barely on the board 😂😂

[rocky kraken]

are servers down

ive been trying to get in for like 30 minutes

[digital cliff]

Was gonna play to

Man

[rocky kraken]

is it down?

ea...

[next gulch]

found a full BF3 server and motar'd my way to 8 whole kills YEEEEBOOIIII

GONNA DO IT AGAIN

[rocky kraken]

ea

fix your dollar tree servers

[next gulch]

I apparently had 2 service stars in the mobile artillery in BF3 YEEEEBOOIII

[digital cliff]

Successfully snatched 200 worth of souls in game. 👏

[obtuse tartan]

is there a shooting range / practice range in bf 2042

[arctic grove]

nope LOL

[obtuse tartan]

wtf lol

[hexed mango]

technically there is

use the code AANJ7Z in portal to host an aim trainer lobby

[rocky kraken]

e4rm

is anyone else having server connection problems

[lilac dust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JtOqEULcXA Ya'll think this will just be the leaked one from the other week?

[rocky kraken]

idk the leaked one seemed unedited

or something

felt off

finally i got in the game

[green bough]

Anyone now how much the battle pass costs in boins I’m wondering how much I should save from season 4

[rocky kraken]

i think its like

1300

[green bough]

Nevermind I just looked it up and it’s 1000

At least it was in season 1

[rocky kraken]

oh okay

cool

[slender isle]

Every BP costs the same, 1000 Boins. Each BP gives you 1000 Boins too, so you can grab the next one for basically free

[green bough]

Plus an extra 300

[slender isle]

You get 1300 per BP? Thought it was 1000. Well that's pretty good

[tame yoke]

I just want them to actually review cheater reports seriously 😦

[green bough]

Yeah you get 1300

[tough folio]

what is with people suggesting out of field changes to this game

its like they try to kill the game on purpose

[slender isle]

yep

[green bough]

Saw one guy suggesting that cosmetic helmets on specialists should have a gameplay advantage

[rocky kraken]

HBAAA

WHAT

[tough folio]

what a disgrace

[green bough]

Exactly

[slender isle]

I suggest (to make the game more realistic) that Liz get's bullied for her red hair

[green bough]

Liz deaths don’t deplete reinforcements because redheads don’t have souls

[tough folio]

lets have lis get a spinal injury from shooting all those rockets and lose 90 percent movement speed as a result

[rocky kraken]

HA

[copper fulcrum]

Yeah this isn't GTA V lol

[arctic grove]

since when ^

[tough folio]

that dude who was number #1 sundance player...

i disagree with what he had to say

[rocky kraken]

holy shit

[tough folio]

stated that sundance was unplayable since she lost access to spawn beacon

[rocky kraken]

why ist here no hitmarker difference between a irish shield and an enemy

[tough folio]

really? mine shows different i think.

[green bough]

I think the hit sound is different it’s more metallic

[next gulch]

I don't anyone disagrees with adding mortars

[rocky kraken]

damn

maybe i accidentally changed it

[tough folio]

if they have complete map info at all times yes

mortars would be annoying

[dapper river]

Sounds like he was crutching 🤣

[rocky kraken]

thats what happens when you give too much freedom in an fps game

[tough folio]

he said that he actually stopped playing her, and should revert it to where she has spawn beacon lmao

[dapper river]

You can still sundance beacon, you just need a friend to play recon, and possibly another friend to play mackay to get up to high spots so the recon can spawn on him

[rocky kraken]

i mean when you have 3.3k hours

something is already wrong

[tough folio]

well he did say 90 percent of his playtime was sundance

[dapper river]

https://tenor.com/view/what-a-shame-deus-ex-adam-jensen-shame-sad-gif-26336775

[copper fulcrum]

He could always play on a Portal server that has unrestricted class gadgets

[slender isle]

We should make Sundance literally snap her back and be unable to move when she lands

[dapper river]

true, it's what happens when you wingsuit without a parachute in real life

[eager spire]

Mortars are annoying to play against and don’t need to be in the game.

[tough folio]

i dont agree that he states sundance is exclusively a flanking character, and without her own spawn beacon, she is unplayable. i swear he had to be trolling at that point but it looks so genuine

[slender isle]

Walk up to her afterwards and put her down 😳

[rocky kraken]

sundace should have fall damage

like a normal soldier

[eager spire]

We don’t need more things that reward people for being rats.

[green bough]

I don’t understand people who enjoy using mortars

It’s just so fucking boring

[slender isle]

It's fun when you've had a shit day

click doink doink doink

then some big booms and kills

[next gulch]

I don't understand people who get all triggered over mortar's, there's far more annoying things to get killed by

[tough folio]

3:22 pm central in the feedback thread is where he posted that whole message, its actually hilarious

[next gulch]

like for example literally any air vehicle

[green bough]

Please explain what makes mortars so engaging

[muted cradle]

The most annoying thing is a teammate standing in front of you while you were shooting at an enemy. Then you die and your teammate runs away 🤡

[tough folio]

just shoot air vehicles down simple

[next gulch]

what's not engaging about it? point and shoot and you blow up shit

[slender isle]

The annoying bit is it just didn’t show up on the minimap and made it hard to fine people

[tough folio]

about as boring as long range sniping imo

[green bough]

So you’re playing battleship

[next gulch]

but people get so mad over it, like waaah I got killed by a mortar

[slender isle]

Bf1 just didn’t have the weaponry to kill them ag range either

[rocky kraken]

naw

[warm stirrup]

Mortars are basically playing on easy mode...free kills and 0 deaths

[rocky kraken]

the most triggering is lat camper with 50mm cannon

cross map

[tough folio]

hazard zone lmao

[next gulch]

it's incredibly easy to counter mortar's they literally show up on your minimap soon as they shoot anything, just mortar them back

[eager spire]

Most air vehicles can be taken out by Lis. Mortar players literally hide behind their entire team and it’s very difficult to actually deal with them effectively.

Ah yes, great counter, just use it against them as if they won’t move.

[green bough]

Just what we need more mortars

[slender isle]

Mortar tank was the worst

[dapper river]

ahem
Fuck mortars 😎

[drowsy rose]

https://puu.sh/JzXdF/56c70846a5.png
Why my damn reticule so fuckin small

[rocky kraken]

i know mortars are annopying

but they make the game cooler

[next gulch]

that's exactly as I would describe recon/snipers

[tough folio]

last thing we need is to reward cheap playstyles. about as bad as tors camping back in base

[dapper river]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-clarkson-laughing-laughing-hysterically-at-you-bahaha-gif-19955692

[green bough]

True but i think we can agree gameplay should come first

[drowsy rose]

Is it actually suppose to be like that

[slender isle]

Most people suck at that though

Not me though

[next gulch]

if it were up to you joyless wonder's all gadgets and vehicles would be gone, just COD would remain

[dapper river]

Or Lis camping in base. Which uh, I'm not guilty of doing sometimes. Nope...

[green bough]

Sniping takes actual experience unless you’re using the railgun

[rocky kraken]

renewal is the worst looking map

change my mind

[warm stirrup]

Snipers take skill, mortars don't

[next gulch]

Hourglass

[slender isle]

Looking? No. Playing? Yes

[next gulch]

Hourglass wins both worst looking and worst map to play

[tame yoke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr8_9TEJs8w

[rocky kraken]

idk

i dislike the rock look on renewal

its just one color

[green bough]

Hopefully not after the rework

[tough folio]

literally there are 2 sides of this game, people who want all out warfare and balanced vehicle play, and idiots who dont know how to get good and want to get rid of vehicles in a battlefield game along with suggesting horribly bad changes.

[idle lion]

broooo i found irl Crawford on youtube

[rocky kraken]

hourglass will be the best map

after rework

[drowsy rose]

Man I do love asking a geniue question and nobody either has an answer for it

[next gulch]

@tough folio yo don't call out this whole discord like that

[rocky kraken]

what is it

[drowsy rose]

As I cannot verify this any other way. Is the x10 scope reticle suppose to be this fucking tiny

https://puu.sh/JzXdF/56c70846a5.png

Literally asked the question like 10 times today

[green bough]

No

[rocky kraken]

yea it is

wait

holy

no its not

[grizzled whale]

Nah, its supposed to be smaller

[tough folio]

if blaming pc players is your go to excuse for being bad, lmao you got some work to do

[drowsy rose]

Oh great and nobody has a fix for it

based and redpilld

[grizzled whale]

Just put your monitor 10m further away

Same effect

[rocky kraken]

how should we know

we arent devs

[eager spire]

I donno why we're talking about vehicles here, i thought the topic was mortars.

Unless we're considering the mortar to be a vehicle now

[drowsy rose]

I would've expected players to have experienced a bug

[tough folio]

no, its because dice didnt bother fixing the sws skin in this battlepass for this season. take off the skin, and the 10x scope will be normal, although you wont have a cool looking sniper

[next gulch]

You're right

add mortar truck

[rocky kraken]

dice knows of most of the bug

[drowsy rose]

It's a fuckin skin cause the issue

Weird

[eager spire]

Also, should be noted that I have no problem with vehicles, but the vehicle/infantry balance in this game is fucked and has been for a long time now. Better vehicle players than me have made better statements in regards to this balance, but we're not talking about that. We're talking about mortars, and so far I have not seen a single actual argument for their inclusion beyond the statements of people that probably are not that good and want something to use and farm easy kills with.

[tough folio]

its clear they dont because its been months and they havent fixed flight assists for console, and jets randomly not turning even tho the input is still being used

[green bough]

Nice dissertation

Could probably get a phd with that

[tough folio]

why does thermal smoke completely throw off rockets at splitsecond speeds, and radar missles have completely broken overrides to countermeasures

[rocky kraken]

look at some of the shoulder plated skins'

the plate is in your camera

[young wharf]

It doesn't matter what gun your vehicle has, it has already appeared in my crosshairs a mile away and my railgun tank is charging up

There is nothing they can do to escape

[tough folio]

there should be a petition to remove you and all similiar players from the server

[young wharf]

It's not my fault I do it mainly to kill transport copters

Then I'd probably get a regular tank

[next gulch]

that's all the laser tank is good at so meh

I hate using it for that reason, regular tank is more effective at everything else but shooting down air vehicles and sniping other tanks who are in the open for some reason

[young wharf]

It's good at AV and AA, if I get to a good position with irish in it all vehicles on the map magically disappear

[tough folio]

thank god the rorsche was nerfed. otherwise there would still be 4 squads of railgun campers sniping vehicles each game

[young wharf]

Sniping, just use lis

Nothing can escape the tv missile

[tough folio]

yeah thats the main issue with it
it shouldnt be that strong
same with lis

[next gulch]

Always feels so good outsniping a sniper with lis lol

no more just proning on a tower all game, Ima coming for you

[young wharf]

Get above it with an attack copter and it's dead, also infantry kill it quickly as I can't do shit against them

[eager spire]

yes, so much skill hiding behind a rock and firing a TV missile straight up in the air to kill someone with no line of sight to you

[next gulch]

cringe

[fervent rose]

the maul cannon should be anti infantry. make it a siege tank like starcraft

[young wharf]

Besides, I mainly use repair drone on lis and get people's legs

[young wharf]

No

[fervent rose]

tor's balance is completely absurd

[next gulch]

absurdly balanced*

[young wharf]

This thing should be good against vehicles at long range, but suffer from air and close range

[tough folio]

thats if your not already dead to lis, and you actually have other support. then you have tank aps, irish aps, repair men, and secondary gunners on the tor. its stupid and not balanced at all

[eager spire]

can't imagine why a railgun tank would be incredibly difficult to balance properly

it's a mystery to everyone

[young wharf]

No, because I drive as irish so lis can cry about it

[rocky kraken]

hope they fix reflections

[eager spire]

what do you mean

[next gulch]

DICE did a good job making Irish as lame as possible so barely anyone plays him

[tough folio]

you forget that theres atleast 15 lis mains per team each match

[young wharf]

He exists to counter lis's bullshit

[next gulch]

think more and more people who complain about him if he were at all interesting to the common player

[tough folio]

the second i hop in the apache i see atleast 7 lissiles already in the air

[next gulch]

That or the shitbucket pilot on the other team is instantly on you

[eager spire]

that's what you get for wanting to fly in a helicopter when Lis exists

[tough folio]

irish counters literally everything, aps needs a nerf

[eager spire]

should've known better

[young wharf]

Because everyone carries AA because the transport copter can heal faster than it takes damage

Also I found the vulcan is a good lis counter

[next gulch]

nah you can easily take down a transport, just need like 20 other people firing on it

[eager spire]

when Lis exists you literally don't get to play the video game

[next gulch]

a transport heli having 2 repairers and a crew that know's what aiming is, hilarious

[eager spire]

donno why transport helis are more durable, but whatever

[final plume]

The other day the enemy team had a tank sitting there withy 4 aps around it and 2 engineers sitting on it, yeah we lost.

[young wharf]

Lis isn't bad if you have irish players and a gunner that is worth a damn

[next gulch]

I would PREFER transports to go back to being sniper transport machines, but only if they up their spawn limit to 4 or something

[final plume]

She needs a buff, 100%

[tough folio]

you also mentioned lis needed a buff which is complelely ridiculous

[young wharf]

No she doesn't

[copper fulcrum]

Let's buff Lis

[eager spire]

what do you mean Lis needs a buff

[copper fulcrum]

as in her muscles

[eager spire]

are you stupid

[final plume]

4 rockets, no teamwork.

[next gulch]

Yeah Lis needs.......FOUR ROCKETS

[final plume]

Everyone plays assault.

[copper fulcrum]

Let's get Buff Lis, Swole Lis

[eager spire]

except for the people that frequently don't

[young wharf]

Lis should be buffed so if her rocket hits a tank the match ends

[next gulch]

idk why assault is so boring, people suck, if everyone had a brain they'd play as Lis

[final plume]

No, the vehicle needs, at this point with the lack of teamwork it feels like her launcher is a pat on the head of the vehicle.

[young wharf]

Play dozer with a shotty

[eager spire]

yeah imagine if Lis could single handedly take out tanks as well as most of the air vehicles in the game

[copper fulcrum]

If I had the talent I'd photoshop Lis's face over Abby's (TLOU2) body

[next onyx]

Stonk Liz.

[tough folio]

simply because your team or squad lack game sense or skill issue, doesnt mean a character needs to be one man army, i swtg yall lost your minds

[next gulch]

oh god no how dare you @copper fulcrum

[next onyx]

For some reason I had that strangling meme on mind.

[final plume]

It is an issue I had almost every game.

[tough folio]

take out tanks, and you have our current problem lmao

[young wharf]

I sure do like that squad controls are crap in the team based squad game

[next gulch]

Lis just needs to lose her glasses

[copper fulcrum]

Oh yeah we can have Lis strangling a pilot

Aren't there skins for Lis without her glasses?

[young wharf]

Take away turbo, half rocket speed

[next gulch]

1 and her head is covered so it matters not

she has no skins where her head isn't covered with something hideous

[copper fulcrum]

Honestly I like the shooting glasses

I mean, the options are helmet or beret

[eager spire]

I think when you choose to spawn in a heli, the game should display a message saying "Are you sure you wanna do that? There are [Insert amount here] of Lis players on the other team."

[fiery solar]

Maybe it’s the style 20 years later

[young wharf]

Make lis like the planetside 2 pheniox, which seems like a pretty balanced rocket.

Also make lis's rocket do basically 1 or 2 points of damage less than an infantry man's health

[next gulch]

They're literally like gunnar gamer classes if anyone remembers those

Lis is such a gamer

[eager spire]

Lis should've just had the SRAW from BF4.

It would've been more balanced while still being unique.

[tough folio]

you really gotta play both sides before saying something like that, because air vehicles already cant play, and ground vehicles would suffer severely, and its just cheap unfair gameplay in general

[sharp marten]

Liz should get a buff that if her rocket kills a tank it also smokes their router

[copper fulcrum]

Shooting glasses are a thing

[fiery solar]

Lis should get a guided mini nuke

[copper fulcrum]

Redeemer from Unreal Tournament

[young wharf]

She has the blow up drone instead

[next gulch]

Lis should get a mortar

[final plume]

It takes skill to hit a moving air vehicle, it's not like piece of a cake.

[fiery solar]

So her t1 is a little bit less difficult give lis a controllable nuclear missile

[next gulch]

Ok Lis can have the SRAW, but only if it's the prenerf one

[eager spire]

what was the prenerf SRAW like.

[tough folio]

nah it doesnt, i picked up liz in one day and was shooting down jets every match. it used to take skill, because not everyone could use it.

[young wharf]

Liz should have her tv launcher be replaced with a tow dumbfire

Then you have to have line of sight

[next gulch]

did way more dmg

[eager spire]

i still think the SRAW would be a better idea

[next gulch]

SRAW as it currently is in BF4 is terrible

[eager spire]

it'd be unique while still being fair because it's not a TV missile

[copper fulcrum]

Laser-Guided Rocket instead of TV?

[eager spire]

yes

[ivory orbit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2-5TeYYQls&ab_channel=SussyGussy

[young wharf]

It says it's close range, which sounds terrible

If I was close range I'd use C4

[eager spire]

what are you talking about

[glacial quarry]

lol i just got 60 kills in one life by spawning a tank indoors on B1 in exposure breakthrough

so balanced

[copper fulcrum]

Chewing Five Gum

[young wharf]

Wiki says close range rocket

[tough folio]

ive died to more lis rockets in jets post 3.2 then anything else in the game

[eager spire]

it was still possible to use it at range, it just took more effort to do so

especially against moving targets

[young wharf]

I have sniped more people with lis than with snipers

[next gulch]

Think of getting a lis rocket to the face in a jet, as more of a sign of relief

no more suffering

[tough folio]

literally could search up compilations of deaths from lis post 3.2

[young wharf]

I fought a transport copter once who's passengers were lis, so every once in a while the copter would shoot two tv missiles at the nearest AA

[next gulch]

nice

[tough folio]

i hopped on a tank at the start of a match and crossmapped a jet from spawn with the lissile

[eager spire]

Like I cannot think of any reason why Lis shouldn't have her TV missiles replaced with a SRAW

[young wharf]

I did the same but hit some random guy on the road

[eager spire]

it is literally the best balancing decision possible for her.

[young wharf]

Nah

[copper fulcrum]

Because it's not as fun to use

[tough folio]

yeah, im thinking she needs a complete rework, it makes no sense for a infantry soldier to have tgms

[young wharf]

Once again, as long as your gunners don't tunnel vision her rockets are pretty easy to shoot down

Just nerf rocket speed by half

[copper fulcrum]

Future Tech

[tough folio]

ahhhh, this is where i stop you and introduce you to the concept of desync

[young wharf]

I've been doing it all day

[eager spire]

if what's fun to use is a consideration here then Boris shouldn't even exist.

[young wharf]

I've been able to do it to the pheniox in planetside as well, there is no greater lag then planetside

[tough folio]

sure, but gameplay reasons, it aint fair.

[copper fulcrum]

Are you trying to spell Phoenix?

[young wharf]

Because ranger plus turret is fun

[tough folio]

lissiles prob have the most desync out of anything in this game, copemore has a pretty accurate video on it

[eager spire]

what a fun name that is

[tough folio]

very frustrating when i dodge a lissile and it kills me even tho it passed like 10 meters to the right

[young wharf]

Then get Irish to do his damn job

[tough folio]

i guess you can talk to dice about sticking irish on air vehicles

[eager spire]

Like i said. She should just get the SRAW. It can have all the same characteristics of the current TV missiles, same speed and range, but it'd be balanced because it's not a TV missile and as such would require line of sight to effectively use.

[young wharf]

Hopefully the speed and maneuverability nerf would help fix that

[tough folio]

i agree, we shouldnt reward gameplay thats completely stretches non line of sight elements to its limits

[fervent rose]

lis being able to wreck players from spawn is not good gameplay

[eager spire]

like i don't know what the problem with this is. Are you just too used to being able to take out helis and jets safely with no possible retaliation?

[next gulch]

yes, absolutely

[eager spire]

making it so she doesn't have TV missiles would reduce the likeliness of that happening.

[fervent rose]

it doesnt have to be a sraw to be balanced

[tough folio]

alot of infantry mains believe that every operator should one man army all vehicles on the field at all times

[young wharf]

Just make it laser guided then for line of sight

[eager spire]

But it being a SRAW is the best idea while still being unique and balanced

[fervent rose]

their numbers for the tgm are complete bullshit

okay but its not a sraw and redoing the entire thing takes a lot more work than some numbers tweaks

its a skeleton crew

[eager spire]

but it'd be better.

[fervent rose]

in fantasy land 2042 yes

where it isnt 128

[eager spire]

Oh yeah i'm sure a skeleton crew is working on all of Season 5 right now.

[tough folio]

long charge mortar might be an interesting cocept for lis. have to be some way to balance it tho

[eager spire]

no

no mortars.

[tough folio]

thats the only case i would say motars otherwise, we dont need that thing in the game

[white geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/army-gif-19647370

[eager spire]

Mortars do not need to be in the game at all, full stop.

[fervent rose]

i'd be okay with anti vehicle mortars

[tough folio]

oh god, what if she was given automatic grenade launcher

[fervent rose]

that's way less broken than lis vs tanks

[young wharf]

Look at screen and shoot orange doritos

[tough folio]

like the one in bf4 campaign

[eager spire]

what?

[eager spire]

what are you on about

[next gulch]

#AddMortars

[white geyser]

Don't be such a baby when they add mortars, how many times you died from the mortars in the previous battlefield games?

[young wharf]

Bf4 mortar gameplay

[tough folio]

ooh i got an idea

[fervent rose]

mortars would be fine compared to lis

[eager spire]

Enough.

[fervent rose]

Lis is just random

[white geyser]

Too bad wimp

[eager spire]

they're both bad.

[fervent rose]

mortars hit you when you sit still

lis hits you always

[tough folio]

lets have lis be a support engineer, and be able to outfit vehicles with reactive armor

[copper ice]

god no

[white geyser]

Add mortars and you'll get the fun experience

[fervent rose]

anti vehicle only***

fuck infantry focused mortars

[eager spire]

getting random chip damage from some dipshit hiding behind their entire team, yeah, very fun.

[white geyser]

I haven't use mortars for a long time, I only use the truck mortars back in BF1 but not on foot

[young wharf]

The way they'd have to balance mortars is instead of just having you click the part you wanna hit on a map, you'd have to spot the coordinates you want to hit and enter/scroll to said coordinates on the mortar

[eager spire]

to be honest that's like 2 things people have to do, nobody's gonna do that

[young wharf]

And you can't have it super long range

[eager spire]

if it requires more than 3 braincells to use people won't use it

[fervent rose]

it's a completely unnecessary addition to 2042 but bfv could have used something like that

game had a long range tank camping problem

[tough folio]

just give lis taser from bf hardline

[eager spire]

BFV could've used a lot of things. Mortars are not one of them.

[fervent rose]

Why is something that punishes a stationary vehicle a bad thing

[white geyser]

I remember getting too many kills using the mortar truck in BF1, but if they add a mortars in 2042 and not a truck you'll get used to it

[young wharf]

One day I hope to play rush and just see a wall of 32 shield dozers

[copper fulcrum]

I looked up Lis on Reddit to see their opinion in it, looks to be totally different from here

[eager spire]

I'm not talking about use against vehicles. I am talking about the use of mortars against infantry.

of course, it's reddit.

they don't know shit about fuck.

[young wharf]

It's reddit

[tough folio]

can irish aps be reworked, maybe some line of sight, or proximity tech, or speed tech. or simply just have emps blow up upon destruction

[fervent rose]

okay well do you understand when i say bfv could have used a mortar 1 line after talking about tanks, im not talking about fucking infantry lol @eager spire

[white geyser]

Using mortar like a sniper well kind of, just to find and hit your target where ever they hide. Also when was the last time you use a mortar to destroy enemy vehicle?

[eager spire]

i've been going on about it for the past 5 minutes my guy. Even then i don't think anti-vehicle mortars are that useful, you're gonna get like one hit and then they're gonna move.

[young wharf]

Lis's rocket should be changed so when it hits it spawns a storm

[eager spire]

also, how would you stop "Anti-vehicle" mortars from being used against infantry anyway

[young wharf]

Irish

[fervent rose]

fliegerfaust

does it murder infantry?

[young wharf]

Any explosive problem that exists, the answer is usually irish

[eager spire]

not an answer to my question kitsune

[copper fulcrum]

More of reddit, I guess

[young wharf]

No splash then

[fervent rose]

you make it not do much damage to infantry. It's that simple

[eager spire]

As far as i can tell, no.

[eager spire]

eh, would still be basically free chip damage, would be annoying as shit.

[young wharf]

It scares them and that's about it

The flingflanger is only good for angering sky knights

[fervent rose]

and an anti vehicle mortar could do the same shit to tanks without hurting infantry

[tough folio]

people on reddit believe that the game should be balanced off of the best heli players. they just hate helis in general over there. they get so mad that they cant fly and shoot targets at the same time

[eager spire]

Reddit loves Lis because as i've stated before, when people play Lis, people who like flying helis or jets don't get to play the game.

And if there's something that Reddit loves doing, it's harassing pilots.

In-game and on Twitch.

[young wharf]

Reddir hates air vehicles in general, regardless of the game

[white geyser]

I don't I ever see someone who's fully distracted using a mortar on foot and killed by enemy, if I did see one while I'm inside either the infantry or the AA tank I'll just shoot them or ran them over

[young wharf]

With games like battlefield reddit would rather be in a straight hallway shooting bullets down it for an hour

[next onyx]

Fliegerfaust destroyed planes in a single go which was annoying since there'd be no wind up and force you to play passively.

Sniping with rockets, so fun.

[tough folio]

some of the redditors leak into this discord at times, i had to fend them off with a sword and shield so that we would all be safe

[next onyx]

They're fun to annoy.

[young wharf]

Usually if you aren't 10 feet from the ground in a dive bomb the flingflanger doesn't insta

Though it usually will hurt

[next onyx]

Their range is a bit dumb.

The fliegerfaust rockets.

[fervent rose]

plane rocket ranges are even more dumb in bfv

[young wharf]

The main thing is in battlefield 5 there is no lock on

[white geyser]

Just be careful with your surroundings while you're busy playing Lis and her rockets, meaning don't get too distracted.

[fervent rose]

plane snipers existing outside of infantry damage ranges wasnt fun

[tough folio]

is the flingerflanger the thing that shoot minirockets like a shotgun?

[young wharf]

Yes

[fervent rose]

it shoots two barrages

one slightly delayed

cool as fuck

[tough folio]

dont have experience with it, but i played bfv once and saw it take down a plane, it was pretty cool

[young wharf]

If I see ATG in bf5 I immediately stand close to the nearest infantry cluster and wait

[copper fulcrum]

Fliegerfaust did 45 damage in a full volley against fighters

[eager spire]

BFV seems like a dead zone to me, no community servers, all official servers on a game that's not actively being supported or moderated? I'm out.

[copper fulcrum]

So if both volleys hit it's instant kill

It'll do 90 damage to a bomber though so if two people use it, that bomber is dead in it's tracks

[young wharf]

The battlefields on xbox are usually more alive, though that is usually do to gamepass/ea all access

[tough folio]

i feel like bfv doesnt have as much polish, its kinda rough on the edges when i play. i dont like it as much

[tough folio]

most of them are german servers oddly

[copper fulcrum]

They couldn't win the first two times so they'll settle for winning in a video game

[next onyx]

54 per barrage since fighters took extra damage versus AA.

[young wharf]

Thats what happens when all your senior devs quit, like with 2042

[eager spire]

I don't know why people act like BFV has the best gunplay. Like yeah it has recoil, but it also has random recoil on account of spread to recoil conversion.

[next onyx]

It's what killed the viability of the mosquito and the Stuka.

And made the p70 night fighter the best fighter bomber.

[tough folio]

there was a consistent texture bug which made the transport guns polygonal on that game lmao i couldnt aim with it

[copper fulcrum]

Couldn't the Night Fighter one pass literally everything?