battlefield-2042

[spiral folio]

So like why carry it

[stiff pollen]

Because the week it was introduced it was broken

[fluid portal]

BATTLEFIELD HAS GONE GREEN

[stiff pollen]

It has no drop off and insane projectile velocity

When it’s a fucking dart gun

[spiral folio]

It takes up a slot for an item you cant get a kill with,
that wont help you get a kill
That has limited uses

[stiff pollen]

Yes that’s how recon class works

Their kit has always been either spec ops or recon related

[spiral folio]

So even if you're some altruist that actually cares about helping other people get kills (nobody) then you'll run out of ammo for it and then you can't use it anymore

That's why nobody uses it

[stiff pollen]

I will admit that with the clsss update, nobody runs ammo boxes

[dense pier]

Yeah

Cause they suck

[thick shadow]

The bots give more ammo boxes than the real players lmao

[loud rapids]

but like the amount of people running repair tool has increased 50 fold

[stiff pollen]

Which further exacerbates people using assault with AR’s

[dense pier]

The only person I play is falk

I dont need ammo

I kill so many people, I just get to pick up the ammo pouches

[loud rapids]

angel seems to make a better Specialist if u dont need ammo xD

[dense pier]

And my weapon is a one shot so

[thick shadow]

What weapon you running with

[dense pier]

Ntw

[stiff pollen]

You play Assault with an AR and get 330 rounds to spawn off, a medpen, and then can choose c4 armor or whatever

[dense pier]

Iron sight

[thick shadow]

Ntw

[loud rapids]

1 shot at like 20 feet?

[dense pier]

I get up close

[loud rapids]

they nerfed it so much its better to runa shotgun lol

[spiral folio]

Ntw sucks. Just use a rail or assault rifle

[loud rapids]

rail might be the worst in the game rn

[dense pier]

When did they nerf it

[spiral folio]

Objectively untrue

[fiery shoal]

pretty sure the NTW is one shot to the body/head up to like... 75-100m

[loud rapids]

not too long ago. it used to be 1 shot at like 200m or something

[spiral folio]

Thought it was below 50m

[dense pier]

Well i get within 10ft

[spiral folio]

Its pathetic

[fiery shoal]

unless it got nerfed

[fiery shoal]

if thats happening you are likely not hitting the body or head

[dense pier]

What

Im saying i get kills

[spiral folio]

If youre using a ntw below 50m almost every other weapon will be better

[dense pier]

So range dont matter to me

No

Big gun

[loud rapids]

isnt every other sniper 1 shot at 50m or something?

[dense pier]

Always better

[fiery shoal]

weren you just suggesting youre not getting 1 shots under 50m?

[dense pier]

[jovial jay]

Imagine surviving a 20mm shot to your chest

[dense pier]

No?

[fiery shoal]

its a videogame

[dense pier]

When did I say that

[loud rapids]

its just 1 hole

[dense pier]

Fr

[spiral folio]

They shouldnt add a 20mm gun if theyre gonna nerf it so badly it acts like a black powder mauser

[dense pier]

The only problem with battlefield guns is they feel like plastic when you reload them

the sounds are horrible

[fiery shoal]

sorry i mixed up comments

[dense pier]

Ur good

[jovial jay]

Bf1 tankgewehr is only around 13mm and its one hit kill for every target, but I guess for the sake of balance they gotta nerf it so bad like that

[spiral folio]

Yea bf1 is the only time battlefield has made a large caliber rifle well

They just shouldn't add em if theyre gonna make em that weak as the ntw

[pastel loom]

it's an elite kit so that's a special case
bf4 had the m82a3 sniper pickup
a semi auto that one shot as well
and damages tanks a little

[spiral folio]

20mm is so big that if you press melee with the ntw out. Your melee attack should be hitting somebody with a 20mm round

[fiery shoal]

bf1 had sweet spots, wack mechanic

[loud rapids]

how aobut instead of using the NTW u just hold a 20mm and a ball-peen hammer?

[spiral folio]

I've seen a picture where a guy used a .50cal as a hammer. So....

No

[loud rapids]

nah i mean, u aim the 20mm, then u hit it in the bakc with the hammer

[spiral folio]

Yea the round went off in his hand

[chilly jacinth]

ouch

[spiral folio]

In is a bad word for it

Since it also went off out of his hand at the same time

[jovial jay]

What did he think was gonna happen

[chilly jacinth]

nice way to vaporise your hand

[loud rapids]

damn, imagine losin ur hand for an internet meme lmao

[spiral folio]

Story goes he was using a round to hammer in a pin on some mount

Its one of those army horror stories they show you so you dont do it

[loud rapids]

damn I really love playing high settings 2042 and remembering my young days playing 2142 at 800x600 aspect ratio and 20fps

[thick shadow]

OK so I got timed out

I'm assuming I should watch my vocabulary

My bad

[spiral folio]

?

Oh yea

[thick shadow]

Used the R word

On myself

[spiral folio]

There's a few words that are even IN THE GAME that you cant say

Yea the mass inconsistency of the filter is confusing

It doesnt warn you either

Just BAM muted. You dont even know why

[thick shadow]

Asking for a list is kinda out of place because it's common sense to avoid saying hard words

[spiral folio]

You have to try and sherlock holmes your message to figure it out

Like one time people were talking about update 3.2 and i jokingly kept adding .2 and so on numbers to it

The idiotic bot thought i said an ip address snd muted me for 10min

[thick shadow]

They got muted for adding a digit

[arctic grove]

Is season 4 out?

[drowsy rose]

WAIT THOSE COUNT AS MELEE???

[dense pier]

?

What

[drowsy rose]

Crossbow kills

[dense pier]

No

Smh

[thick shadow]

End of February

[drowsy shuttle]

Lol

[dense pier]

I'm saying I had to get melee kills for the crossbow

[arctic grove]

is the game cool again

[drowsy rose]

I think since they added classes it's cooler

[spiral folio]

Exploder crossbow was the zain before zain

[plucky chasm]

Yes the BB guns

[dense pier]

What

[spiral folio]

I haven't seen high damage in a bf game since like p4f maybe bf2

[plucky chasm]

You said the audio is bad

No?

[dense pier]

Ueah

they used BB guns for the audio

[spiral folio]

I wouldnt count bf1s tank rifle cause its not a default weapon

[plucky chasm]

Yea that's why I made that joke

[dense pier]

that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard

[plucky chasm]

Well it's a joke

[dense pier]

Ohhhh

it does actually sound like BB guns though

[spiral folio]

You could always get giant speakers and deafen yourself

[plucky chasm]

Yea obviously 8t wasn't

The kill sound effect sounds like an Airsoft gun

[spiral folio]

Guns usually sound basically like dropping a big steel ball onto concrete

[plucky chasm]

I miss bf1 kill sound effect

And bf1 audio way better

[plucky chasm]

Yea but it's worst sounding bf game

[spiral folio]

Nah it's fine

[plucky chasm]

Don't u remember bf3 sound effect amazing audio felt like you were there

[spiral folio]

I skipped bf3/4 mostly. Played some but not enough to remember the audio

[plucky chasm]

It's below average yea

[arctic grove]

all I remember is guys screaming

[plucky chasm]

AHH ok well you missed out bro

[arctic grove]

I'M BEING FUCKED IN THE ASS HERE

[fallen ocean]

Yes.

[plucky chasm]

Oh yea the guys screaming that was so immersive

[arctic grove]

and endless mortar firing

at least in this game, you have to be near it, unlike bf4 mortar

[plucky chasm]

Didn't they also shout fucking grenade

And stuff that was funny asf

That's true

Bf4 mortor is like full range hearing

[arctic grove]

FUCK

GRENAAAADE

[rocky kraken]

So dice was originally gonna do 2 maps per season

But the reworks came

[arctic grove]

honestly I don't care about vanilla maps

bring back classic ones

[plucky chasm]

Grenadaa

Really damn 2 maps a season would've had game way more positive feedback from the community

[arctic grove]

that's the least of my concern

I just want some stuff back

[plucky chasm]

They should bring back that bc2 jungle map

Forgot it's name

[rocky kraken]

Well each podcast makes me feel like they are gonna keep supporting the game

But that’s ea call

[chilly oak]

how are you supposed to get multi kills with smg or tactical weapon

[plucky chasm]

Hopefully they announce season 6 and 7 at least so yea we get portal maps

[hexed mango]

🥴

[hexed mango]

id rather more aow maps than portal maps

[plucky chasm]

Hmm really even tho portals been abandoned

[rocky kraken]

It just seems to me

[limpid pond]

By pissing on people

[plucky chasm]

I thought that was always important but I guess not

[rocky kraken]

Why would they put so much effort into podcast for a game that’s getting support cut

Doesn’t make sense at all

[plucky chasm]

EA will put the ban hammer in

🔨🔨🔨 get to work on new one

Didn't bfv have a podcast?

[arctic grove]

forget about map, bring back old gameplay

[limpid pond]

What's old gameplay

[arctic grove]

soldier skins

gunplay

[plucky chasm]

Leaning mechanics bf4 leaping underwater diving

[arctic grove]

missing game modes

[limpid pond]

What about gunplay

[plucky chasm]

The diving I want so bad

[arctic grove]

2042 is bad for it

I think 4 or 1 has the best gunplay

[plucky chasm]

What game modes

Are missing again

[arctic grove]

obliteration

carrier assault

[plucky chasm]

Domination

[arctic grove]

titan assault

scavenger

[plucky chasm]

What's titan assualt

[limpid pond]

Yall talking about bf or cod

[arctic grove]

bf

[arctic grove]

from 2142

[plucky chasm]

Oh

[limpid pond]

Intresting

[plucky chasm]

I think conquest rush are the only ones we need personally

[arctic grove]

I don't mind mix objectives

[rocky kraken]

2042 just needs more movement

[limpid pond]

Rush is good the way it is although some maps need to be reworked for the mode

[rocky kraken]

As in like bf4

[arctic grove]

have us defend one flag and one mcom

just bring back carrier assault mode

[plucky chasm]

Yea it also needs leaping I can't leap to a platform if I'm in water wtf

[arctic grove]

give us a mode that we can attack enemy bases

[limpid pond]

Anyone else getting that weird glitch after parachuting where your screen keeps shaking every few seconds

As if you're falling

[arctic grove]

how are we missing this

gosh

[limpid pond]

Because it was a brand new dev team left to make a whole game with only 10 devs and a brand new engine

It's the equivalent of taking a cashier and throwing them into stocking and par check for the first time

[arctic grove]

then they better start looking at old game content and adapt them here

ASAP

[plucky chasm]

Yes

[limpid pond]

Ah yes I can tell you wouldn't get shit done if you were in that position

[plucky chasm]

Yea the interns

[limpid pond]

Exactly

[arctic grove]

then why bother hiring the ones that aren't experienced

[plucky chasm]

Cus the older team left I guess

[limpid pond]

Because the older devs left

Same issue with bfv

[arctic grove]

not a single veteran that can teach these younglings?

[limpid pond]

That game was terrible at the start

Got good then boom cut support

[limpid pond]

Working on other games

[plucky chasm]

6 months from now introducing bf 2080

[arctic grove]

it's like leaving school kids without teachers

[limpid pond]

Welcome to corporation bussiness

[arctic grove]

and this one reason why I don't go into game dev

[plucky chasm]

They should've looked at the older games and see what people wanted

[limpid pond]

This is what happens because you blame the devs instead of ea management

[arctic grove]

rather do something niche

[kindred flint]

What's the second portal weapon in season 4.. type 88 and?

[limpid pond]

Ea management catches no shit but the devs get everything

[plucky chasm]

Svd

[kindred flint]

Oh right

[hexed mango]

std

[plucky chasm]

It could be the Devs fault too

[limpid pond]

Spd

[kindred flint]

Will it suck as much as the m39

[arctic grove]

we should tell future game dev to avoid this situation

[limpid pond]

The m39 is op

It's still a 1 shot hs

[hexed mango]

isn’t the m39 a ohk

[kindred flint]

Did it get buffed or something... the vert recoil was atrocious on it when I tried

[limpid pond]

It literally 1 shots the head

[spiral folio]

M39 has like .50cal recoil for 5.56 damage

[plucky chasm]

M39 fire rate is slow tho

[kindred flint]

Literally saw no point trying to use it compared to the bsvm or ar

[limpid pond]

Yeah it's slow

[plucky chasm]

Imagine respawn making battlefield would be perfect game

So it's not fully op is it

[arctic grove]

who are they again

[limpid pond]

Titan field 2042

Titanfall devs

The best devs ever

[arctic grove]

never played them

[limpid pond]

Besides alex

[hexed mango]

[plucky chasm]

Man Titanfall 2 that live service was good

[limpid pond]

Titanfall 2 the best game ever

[arctic grove]

what about first game?

[kindred flint]

I liked the first one better...minus smart pistol

[limpid pond]

Meh

Titanfall got ruined by the hacker

It was good but 2 was better

[arctic grove]

does the game offer good coop element

offline stuff?

[limpid pond]

Campaign still is one of if not the best campaigns ever made

[arctic grove]

no multiplayer like bot experience?

[limpid pond]

Nope no co op. Just single player and mp

Bot experince??

[arctic grove]

welp

yes

bots in multiplayer

[limpid pond]

Theirs bots in the lobbies

Yes

You get ai on the battlefield

They try to kill you

[arctic grove]

ok

on that note

[limpid pond]

Or they fight each other

[arctic grove]

I'm waiting on bf4 to get bots

and mod support

[limpid pond]

They also have a co op survival basically

[arctic grove]

I'm excited for it

[plucky chasm]

Is bf4 Warsaw coming 2023

That sounds fun

[arctic grove]

maybe end of year

[mental delta]

That's the second time you say that

[arctic grove]

IDC

I'm excited for that shit

been wanting to experience the full bf4

[limpid pond]

Bf4 to get bots?

Why would they even support that game

[arctic grove]

not the dev

the community

duh

[limpid pond]

Ah makes sense. People stuck on a game that had a worse launch than 2042

[arctic grove]

time has changed

can't you accept that

[limpid pond]

No because people gonna hate onna game not finished yet but don't wanna talk about bf4 launch lol

[arctic grove]

then let's not

I'm focus on the project

[limpid pond]

Possibly one of the worst launches ever

Actually terrible

[arctic grove]

we get it mate

move on

[proud quest]

Lmao I saw a kid flying a tank around 💀

[limpid pond]

Shit was terrible lmao

[arctic grove]

can you move on?

let's not talk about this

[limpid pond]

Can you move on?

Imagine being stuck onna old game tryna tell me to move on

Hypocrit

[arctic grove]

don't discourage me moron

[limpid pond]

You're the moron

A old ass game tryna tell me to move on

[arctic grove]

alright that does it

[limpid pond]

Imagine

[scenic badger]

[drowsy shuttle]

FIGHT!

[arctic grove]

now that's taken care of,
back to the studio

[limpid pond]

Dudes an a class degen

He "angy"

Lmao gonna ball his fists and say I made him mad

[edgy oriole]

m on pc and prolly hold select on controller

[limpid pond]

Nah but real talk bf4 had one of the worst launches ever

I'm actually surprised the game made it through

Beta

I generally do wonder why companies are pushing out unfinished games nowadays

Like they were tryna rush the new titanfall game and it got canceled because of it

[pastel loom]

genuinely strange
even in this age

[plucky chasm]

And 2042 didn't lol

2042 alpha on release

[limpid pond]

Oh nah 2042 had a terrible launch

[fervent rose]

different kinds of failure

[limpid pond]

Trust me 2042 has a really bad launch but it was playable

[fervent rose]

alpha product vs semi finished product that just doesnt function

[plucky chasm]

Ok 2042 2nd worse launch then would you accept that

[limpid pond]

Oh 100%

[fervent rose]

yes thats accurate

[pastel loom]

bf4 still looked and played like a battlefield
so it didn't have the same reactions as 2042

[fervent rose]

right the bf4 content and game design wasnt ridiculous

[limpid pond]

Nah it was solid

[fervent rose]

was it the best? nah

[limpid pond]

Nope

But it was okay

[arctic grove]

4 and 1 are the best ones for me

[fervent rose]

ye

not the 4 and 1 thing

[arctic grove]

one for modern warfare

other is ww

[limpid pond]

2042 concept would be cool with specialists removed

[plucky chasm]

I remember bf4 not being mega broken

[fervent rose]

i love bc2, bf3, bf2 the most

[plucky chasm]

Must be living in anniversary land must've forgot

[fervent rose]

and bfv did some parts of the gameplay really well

but holy fuck no hp regen

[limpid pond]

I was heavy into 4 but preferred 5 due to general design

[arctic grove]

I dislike the revive system in 5

[plucky chasm]

Nah 4 3 and bc2 bro

[limpid pond]

Yeah no hp regret in 5 made me mad

So I only used medic

[arctic grove]

give me back my old revive system

[plucky chasm]

Really no hp regen even in softcore that's such a strange design choice

[fervent rose]

i really enjoyed bfv Devastation. that was an incredible map

[limpid pond]

Yeah they were tryna go with a more realistic experience with that one

Didn't end to well

[fathom crane]

When is the next battlefield coming out?

[edgy oriole]

bfv pacific was peak battlefield

[pastel loom]

it may seem classic, but an insta revive sounds a bit cheap

[plucky chasm]

Ok I would accept it being 2nd worse then I guess bf4 dice became a meme

[edgy oriole]

24 or 25

[fervent rose]

only for the first month

[arctic grove]

I don't want that helping hand revive shit

[fervent rose]

after that it went to a fiesta

[arctic grove]

give me my defib

[plucky chasm]

2026

[fathom crane]

Ok thanks

[limpid pond]

Aerodrome still was crazy

[low timber]

89 more kills to T1 the NVK-P125

[fathom crane]

I hope they take their time and make sure to deliver

[plucky chasm]

Insta revive keeps the game flow no silly animation

[limpid pond]

I loved underground railroad though

[arctic grove]

unlikely

[limpid pond]

That map in general was peak for me since I was a medic smg sweat

[plucky chasm]

Remember this is the interns

[fervent rose]

did you ever play Grind dread

[arctic grove]

go to indie dev for better games

[fervent rose]

I loved grind in bf5

[limpid pond]

Not that I know of but I might have

[plucky chasm]

Sons of the forest hype

[limpid pond]

I played alot of shit

[fervent rose]

you'd remember twisted steel grind if you played it

[limpid pond]

Yep

[fervent rose]

the fixed bridge, and only the bridge

[limpid pond]

Soon as you said it

[fervent rose]

such a cool layout

[plucky chasm]

I don't regret missing bfv apperantly it's the worst bf game

[pastel loom]

right

[acoustic oar]

grind is just metro all over again

[limpid pond]

Intresting but very unforgiving if they camped the top and you were in the divet

[fervent rose]

@acoustic oar you could flank and move through Twisted Steel Grind way easier than old metro

[plucky chasm]

How is it cheap @pastel loom or am I misreading Ur comment

[limpid pond]

Yes

[fervent rose]

underground did suck on Grind mode though lol

[plucky chasm]

A tiny bit

[limpid pond]

Underground in general was a good map. Wish they had ffa on it

[plucky chasm]

2000 people a day isn't it

[pastel loom]

insta reviving isn't it too good?

[plucky chasm]

Nah it's perfectly balanced cus it's risk reward

[fervent rose]

you can "instant revive" people in 2042 now

[plucky chasm]

If u do it at right time

[acoustic oar]

BFV metro/underground was the best version but I still prefer conquest maps like devastation, rotterdam and al Marj encampment.

[pastel loom]

oh yes

[plucky chasm]

If not you will get mowed down

Lol

[plucky chasm]

Yea ay

[fervent rose]

you can move around really fast while the manual defib charges with bhops

and then pop instant revive

the class update made fast revives a thing again

[arctic grove]

I'm already fucked as ravenclaw.

[plucky chasm]

The fast revive is good system

Risk reward

[sturdy socket]

hate linking reddit but i'm shocked i wasn't the only one pissed about the nerfs

https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/115xu53/javelin_laser_designation_appears_to_be_dead_in/?sort=confidence

[arctic grove]

Next BF in 2026? When was that confirmed

I thought it was late next year (2024)

[fervent rose]

given that its EA and they wont let them cook, i expect 2024 or 2025

if its next year its another rushed product

[void cape]

I saw this game on sale for about $12 or so.

Sad, really.

[spiral folio]

How do you laser designate out of LOS

Just saiyan

[plucky chasm]

It's 9 dollars at shops here lmao

[plucky chasm]

Just a estimated guess

[arctic grove]

Whys it sad that 2042 is on sale for so cheap when V has been on sale for the past couple yrs for even cheaper?

[carmine jacinth]

This is the most trash game of battlefield

[arctic grove]

It’s just how they get dem players man

[plucky chasm]

First 2 to 4 months it was 9 buck

That's not normal

[arctic grove]

Ye, so?

Gotta get

DEM. PLAYERS. MAN.

Jokes aside it’s nothing big tbh

Not like the predecessor games haven’t done the same thing. It’s how they’re so popular now

[fiery shoal]

its like games go on sale years after release...

i like how people try to correlate completely normal situations to something more than what it really means

[night vessel]

When's season dropping

[fiery shoal]

uhh where? ive not seen it below 20 bucks myself

[void cape]

Didn't 2042 come out a few months ago?

[fiery shoal]

... tf no

came out oct/nov 2021 my dude...

so a year AND a few months ago

[wise zodiac]

November 2021

[spiral folio]

It's totally new

[drowsy shuttle]

Well.. technically it came out some months ago... cause im not counting that launch

[spiral folio]

Buy this new game

A year is a number of months

[wise zodiac]

A few = 3

A couple = 2

[fiery shoal]

i say a few is 3-5

several 6-8

many for anything above that

[spiral folio]

A fewww 15ish 6... months ya know age is JUST a number

Numbers and reality nothing matters

[wise zodiac]

That's why I now identify as an A10 Warthog

[drowsy shuttle]

Couple doesnt necessarly means 2.. ( i know it does) but can be use to express like 3 or 4 at max

[wise zodiac]

[fiery shoal]

imo anyone that uses a couple for anything other than strictly 2 is doing it wrong

[drowsy shuttle]

Maybe so.. english is not my native language anyway.. so im not gonna argue there

[fiery shoal]

yea, if you ask for a couple of something and if they bring you 3 or 4 no one should complain about it, but its technically wrong

[pine roost]

It is wrong

[spiral folio]

Well couple literally means 2

[wise zodiac]

Bring me a couple stacks of 100s.

Case in point ^

[spiral folio]

Like every definition of couple means 2 except for the one synonymizing it eith few

Loke 2 people, joining 2 objects, two objects together

[drowsy shuttle]

Better love story than twilight

[spiral folio]

The original latin literally means joining two things together

[compact wharf]

I'm sad I can't have soflam with Lis anymore :(

[spiral folio]

Why would you

[compact wharf]

Because it was fun?

[arctic grove]

And this is why the game went on sale for cheap, cause if you mean to tell me you didn’t know the game came out late 2021, and you found out about it a few months ago (coincidentally when it went on sale and had a free trial), there ya go

Not dragging you or anything for not knowing, just saying in general

[compact wharf]

Only having 1 claymore is lame as well :(

We had two in bf4(or bf3)

[proud gorge]

@arctic grove wanna help me with the Easter egg?

I want the skin that Angle gets for all 4

[arctic grove]

Sure, I need to get them too

[proud gorge]

Wanna do it now?

[compact wharf]

I do however like the class default gadgets plus the extra

[proud gorge]

[arctic grove]

Sure

Do you know the locations and stuff?

If not I’m pretty sure I can just find them in the bfee discord

[proud gorge]

Only the locations for the 3 Sat coms for the Swedish map

[fervent rose]

yea the triple gadget is a good tweak on the formula

at least for 2042's setup

[proud gorge]

And the locations for the last box on breakaway

Black ridge code and port map no idea

[arctic grove]

Same apparently this is like the most in depth EE so far

Cool little rewards to make it worth it though

[proud gorge]

I can send a Danny video I’ve seen of all the steps

And we can work

[arctic grove]

Ooh okay sounds good man

[low timber]

Got 107 kills with the NVK-P125 today and I need 89 more for the T1, tomorrows the day

[proud gorge]

With they added assist for Liz T1

[spiral folio]

Yea I put paik on my player card cause I don't want people to know i use lis exclusively

All my card badges are bronze lvl1s

If i could hide my level I'd do it

Ruins the whole thing almost

If i could hide level id be all like "oopsie poopsie im so bad at this rocket im just hitting people by accident"

In a sniper duel and theyll be like "come on stick your head out coward!"

Me watching the screen as my rocket comes in on him directly from above

[tranquil turtle]

all of mine are t3 at least

[spiral folio]

Im sure i have some t1 stuff but I'd rather not tell the enemy what I'm good at

[tranquil turtle]

t1 tuk tuk and pickup truck 💀

[proud gorge]

T1 Tuk Tuk is god tier

Don’t mess with them

[woeful python]

yo I am trying to do the manifest easter egg and it won't let me interact with the first radio what should I do?

[vital mauve]

i can barely even play anymore cus my wifi is so trash 😦

[hybrid totem]

Did you do spearhead first?

[woeful python]

yeah

[near silo]

Your name speaks facts

[proud gorge]

His name is fake

When thermal sights again for tanks

[rocky kraken]

Fix keys

Jets

[copper ice]

How

[lament plank]

jesus christ. when will dice put in the simple mechanic of the TOR cant shoot from the uncap. like how the fuck was it not tested that people will literally sit untouchable in an uncap with it and 2 tap tanks

[arctic grove]

I fucking love black screen issue!! I love having to alt+f4 out of the game!!!

[ebon pilot]

these rao buffs are getting pretty crazy

[upbeat sand]

Greenfield

[prime ember]

nice theme if you ask me , is not that shit lime green over used

[upbeat sand]

Weedfield 4202

Sorry

[quiet shell]

Why do I find this so fucking funny

[copper ice]

dice moment

bfv suffered from this it's entire lifespan

[snow badge]

💀

[fervent rose]

and the tank APS button does nothing either

[spiral folio]

At least the tor cant indirect fire

[shell ermine]

I'm really disliking the addition of the javelin.

[arctic grove]

new season already?

[spiral folio]

Modern problems call for modern solutions

[scenic badger]

javelin just appears out of nowhere and does 65 damage to your tank, better hope there is a wall nearby or you just eat it

[spiral folio]

So does russia

Also keep in mind the javelin is 1996 tech

So is the nintendo 64

[limpid pond]

They said they ate gonna remove it

[spiral folio]

So by 2042 its nearly 50 years old

[shell ermine]

?

[limpid pond]

They're gonna remove it

[shell ermine]

Where did they say this?

[limpid pond]

They dmed me

[inner roost]

Might as well remove it

[eager spire]

source: I made it up

[inner roost]

Tracer dart sucks who's using jav now

[eager spire]

Tracer Dart is fine, it's just not braindead levels of easy to use.

[shell ermine]

Didn't it require you to maintain a lock in BF3 and 4?

[eager spire]

which for the majority of the community just means it's bad

[inner roost]

it's dogshit no random is going to sync up with you

[eager spire]

Then stop trying to do that with randoms

[inner roost]

I've just been running tugs instead

[eager spire]

get friends

[inner roost]

Right let me get 3 people to play and sync up their schedules

[limpid pond]

You don't have 3 people to play with?

Lmao lame

[inner roost]

Not for this game

[limpid pond]

Neither do i

[eager spire]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

That's what's gotta happen.

[limpid pond]

I don't have this issue

I just don't worry about vehicles unless I can c5 them

[shell ermine]

As annoyed as I am with another linear cqb map, seeing the new map not having multi-flag sectors makes me happy.

[solar obsidian]

its funny how much complaining about lack of friends in this game when we are sitting here as mates having the arguments of our life

[shell ermine]

Hopefully that idea has been tossed and won't come back

[limpid pond]

Cqb map???????????

[eager spire]

"another linear CQB map" what

[solar obsidian]

have you tried just asking us to play

[limpid pond]

Bro there's like no cqb maps in the game

[eager spire]

inb4 this guy thinks stranded is a cqb map

[limpid pond]

I'm saying bro as a smg main there's virtually no cqb maps

Just areas on the map

[spiral folio]

Stranded BT maybe

[fervent rose]

mediocre boat cqb map is supposed to be the end of cqb maps?

like what

[inner roost]

It's not even a cqb map

[shell ermine]

Every map is a cqb map when you only get 1 tank per team

[eager spire]

there are no CQB maps in this game

[limpid pond]

Stranded is a medium to ranged map with the ship being the cqb area

[spiral folio]

Stranded BT

[eager spire]

that's not how it works

[fervent rose]

definitely the most "cqb map" on breakthrough

[limpid pond]

No bruh lmao there's no cqb maps

[limpid pond]

Oh yeah breakthrough in general is cqb

[fervent rose]

no

[limpid pond]

But rush is even more cqb

[fervent rose]

not in 2042

[inner roost]

Breakthrough in this game is dogshit unless attacker

[limpid pond]

I meant for like stranded

The first obj isn't but the ship is

The last is a mix

[spiral folio]

Stranded BT also thankfully has outside stuff for people who dont just hold down the right mouse button til they die

[limpid pond]

Also the breakaway remake sucks tbh

[fervent rose]

the balance really is terrible. when they had infantry only defenders won most of the time. they cant get it right

[inner roost]

Finally more people are realizing this

[limpid pond]

Yeah attackers are where it's at

[shell ermine]

Stranded, Spearhead, Manifest, Discarded, new Breakaway, Kaleidoscope are all infantry focused maps

[limpid pond]

Bro I've said it since it realesed

[inner roost]

Discarded lmao

[spiral folio]

They finally re-removed vehicles from stranded BT too

[limpid pond]

I liked the old version better

[eager spire]

What the fuck are you talking about?

[shell ermine]

We need a map with like 8 tanks per team

[inner roost]

Old BT layout was better

Exposure got absolutely ruined by dice

[shell ermine]

Something cool like Panzerstorm or Iwo Jima

[fiery shoal]

"infantry FOCUS" doesnt mean INFANTRY ONLY

[limpid pond]

Look man I'm not one to disagree a shit ton unless I'm trolling but I genuinely don't agree

[copper ice]

god fucking no

8 tors a side is not my idea of fun

[shell ermine]

Vehicle play in 2042 is a joke

[spiral folio]

Most maps have infantry areas too

[limpid pond]

Ah yes as the casual 70 an 0 minibird sweat

[fiery shoal]

manifest, discarded, exposure, and stranded are definitely infantry focused maps

[limpid pond]

Or the 50 and 2 stealth heli

[solar obsidian]

and seriously,

the lack of friend issue have never been a problem, just use a little time to find players who want to teamwork like that,

add them to the friend list, and start looking at your friend list BEFORE starting again, so you can form players

[limpid pond]

Or the 30 an 1 hind player

[inner roost]

I love the infantry focused map discarded where I have to walk 500m to each objective

[shell ermine]

Flying is for cowards

[solar obsidian]

see any bf players online in matches, join there game or invite them

[silver meteor]

Everything except the damn jets are good, they move too fast for me to fly them. Thats on me tho

[limpid pond]

Or the 20 and 0 t1a5 player in spawn with a tank

[solar obsidian]

its not that hard

you dont even have to plan shit since we can join in progress or quit games without penalty

[spiral folio]

Ironman:

[fiery shoal]

you can just spawn at the central points or the flooded point, both of which are massive centerpieces to the map that are heavily infantry favored...

[inner roost]

Or the LAT4 camper on the cliff with Irish aps

[silver meteor]

GIVE US MORE FLYING VEHICLES IN CONQUEST

I want 3 helis per side.. I hate that they changed it 😭

[fiery shoal]

@shell ermine sorry wrong reply

[limpid pond]

Yes literally the worst. Turned around so you can't headshot and has 30mm

[fiery shoal]

you can just spawn at the central points or the flooded point, both of which are massive centerpieces to the map that are heavily infantry favored...

[spiral folio]

There are portal servers for that

[shell ermine]

So far none of the maps have worked as balanced all-around maps.

[solar obsidian]

remember how easy it is now to find mates

[shell ermine]

The vehicle gameplay is so bad that they just default to being infantry focused

[silver meteor]

Saw a reddit post that described it perfectly

"I’ve said it many, many times.

The vehicles were never an issue to begin with. They’re supposed to kick your ass, and you’re supposed to hide from them.

The issue is that in the core maps, where can you hide?

In legacy maps, it’s not an issue. Valparaiso has loads of opportunities not to get blown tf up."

[limpid pond]

I mean bro if you want vehicle combat solely go play warthunder

Its still popular from what I hear

[inner roost]

World of tanks is there bro

[limpid pond]

Yeah world of tanks is still poppin too

[fiery shoal]

complaining that vehicle gameplay is bad isnt saying they only want to play vehicles...

reading is hard

[copper ice]

giving the transport jeeps accurate aoe weapons was a very stupid balance decision

[fervent rose]

the vehicle controls really are awful tbh

[inner roost]

Bro wants 8 tanks on the field

[shell ermine]

Its not like Provence, Arras, Wake, or Pacific Storm where you had great balance between infantry and vehicle that satisfied everyone

[limpid pond]

Reread what I said

[copper ice]

oh boy i want to get across the map as infantry but all my jeeps are camping on a fucking hill blowing shit up 300m away

[spiral folio]

Yeea like ive played portal servers with tanks and its like mickeymouses version of world of tanks where everyone has the same tank so it faiaiaiair

[limpid pond]

Reading is hard

[fiery shoal]

you said if he solely wants vehicle combat play warthunder... literally what i just said

[limpid pond]

If he wants solely

Not he wants solely

If

"If"

[spiral folio]

Wot is better for tank combat but wt is better for air (and stealing intel from idiots)

[shell ermine]

So instead of making vehicle play good in 2042 they just make more infantry focused maps and keep the spawn numbers low for vehicles

[fiery shoal]

adding IF doesnt mean youre not suggesting thats what he wants though.. otherwise you wouldnt say it in the first place

[shell ermine]

There isn't a single 128p Conquest map in 2042 that has 4 tanks per team.

[limpid pond]

It is though. I'm suggesting it in place of what he wants instead of implying it's the only option. Hence why I used If

[spiral folio]

BF is infantry with some vehicles.

Not a vehicle game with infantry

[limpid pond]

It's not hard

[shell ermine]

Yet iirc we had something like 6 tanks per team on Panzerstorm and Iwo Jima with 64p maps

[spiral folio]

Which is why the vehicle physics are so janky

[fiery shoal]

if i said "if you were smart" translates to me calling you not smart.. dont try to pull a cheeky "technically"

[arctic grove]

I heard they have a shit ton of javelins and no missiles

[fervent rose]

iwo jima conquest was an awful experience

probably the worst conquest in bfv

[copper ice]

conquest

[shell ermine]

Hell, the map with the most tanks in 2042 is Exodus Caspian Border

[copper ice]

found the issue

[solar obsidian]

Valparaiso ,caspian border, kaleidoscope, spearhead, canals, orbital renewal are just sexy maps while exposure and stranded do feel fine to play,

[inner roost]

Str8 facts

[limpid pond]

It's not pulling a check "technically. You said if you were smart which auto implies I'm not smart doesn't imply I'm dumb though, me saying if you want vehicles there is this instead of this

[copper ice]

bfv actually had multiple tank types though

like, there were options

[fiery shoal]

[copper ice]

2042 you get the tank that kills infantry or you get the railgun that kills helicopters for some fucking reason

[limpid pond]

You're confusing yourself by trying to point out a flaw that isn't there

You're implying

[long quartz]

Is the vehicle selection GUI not updating for anyone else? Like I have to spam open/close it for it to update

[limpid pond]

I was suggesting

[fiery shoal]

you know what synonyms are?

[remote meteor]

are we getting patch notes tomorrow for next week’s patch?

[limpid pond]

No I jjst went to school for no reason

[lament plank]

thats a stretch for anyone on the internet sir

[fervent rose]

and for some reason they add Ram to breakthrough and then take it away later. They can't make up their minds

[limpid pond]

Did it jjst to waste time

[fiery shoal]

you know implying and suggesting are literally synonyms right? you basically said what we did is the same, even though you tried to say they werent just a second ago...

TLDR yes you were trying to pull a "technically" but said its not then same, but then did..

[fiery shoal]

aka reading is hard

[limpid pond]

Consideration

Aka reading is hard

[fervent rose]

[limpid pond]

Yes suggest is a synonym for imply but doesn't mean imply

[shell ermine]

You couldn't be assed to fix your typo before making a screenshot to play kindergarten recess slapfight on discord?

[arctic grove]

I imply adding more maps to this game

and weapons

[copper ice]

replace ram with rao

[fiery shoal]

congrats, you know a synonym doesnt mean its the same exact thing..

which no one said

[limpid pond]

Alright then so now you know I didn't mean what you meant

[fiery shoal]

just kind of

but not REALLLY

[limpid pond]

Congrats you went the whole way around to tell me exactly what I stated

Congrats bud

[eager spire]

[limpid pond]

Now as I stated if you want solely vehicle play there war thunder

[shell ermine]

Kinda fuckey that support is both medic and supply, I don't understand that choice

[fiery shoal]

complaining that vehicle gameplay is bad isnt saying they only want to play vehicles...

[eager spire]

everyone knows vehicle gameplay in this game is bad, that's only been one of the major complaints about the game since it came out and barely anything has been done to address that fact

[copper ice]

so you can play irish with claymores and not actually heal or resupply anyone

[limpid pond]

World of tanks is out there too

Or squad

[copper ice]

isn't that great?

[limpid pond]

But squad is more like vehicle and infantry so your alley

[eager spire]

Squad is great unless you're Bluedrake, and you hate the developers selling paid emotes to fund development of the game.

as if the Squad devs could just develop the game off sales revenue alone

[limpid pond]

Squad is good

[shell ermine]

Pitch and roll on left stick, yaw on right

[limpid pond]

Games fun

[shell ermine]

Would prefer yaw on L1 and R1 like Ace Combat, but oh well

[mossy badge]

Mario Kart also has vehicle gameplay lads

[fiery shoal]

i thought you were against MTX? or is that just for large devs/pubs?

[copper ice]

give me a green shell and i'll show you how to take down a fucking hind

[shell ermine]

Maybe it's a pointless brag, but I haven't spent a dime on 2042 since launch. Haven't even redeemed any of the free boins from the battlepasses

[copper ice]

good god the bomb is about to explode and no one will tell this man how many kills he has

where is your humanity

[fiery shoal]

uhh main lobby, collection, guns, scroll over attachments?

sorry, i cant launch right now to find out for sure

[eager spire]

I am against lootboxes and premium currency. I don't think selling cosmetic stuff is that bad, especially when it's stuff as minor as emotes.

[fiery shoal]

how does someone buy emotes without premium currency?

[eager spire]

the same way they buy anything else, what kind of question is this

[copper ice]

https://tenor.com/view/money-mr-krabs-gif-18326632

[eager spire]

the emotes for Squad are literally paid DLC.

[fiery shoal]

99% of in game purchases are made with premium currency nowadays

[tough folio]

are there only 6 portal maps?

2 per game?

[copper ice]

harder to refund premium currency

[fiery shoal]

didnt know squad just sold emotes directly like traditional dlc, thats just not common anymore, hence the question

[eager spire]

yeah they do

and they did that to fund development, because as you can imagine, Squad is not a mainstream thing, milsim games are a niche.

They can't just develop the game forever based on sales of the game alone.

But yet when they started selling the emotes for this purpose, people started getting really mad about it for some reason.

[fiery shoal]

chalk that up as an example for why a ton of gamers are fucking unreasonable

[copper ice]

just develop game forever

no additional income

[fiery shoal]

basically best case scenario to fund a game and people still get pissy

[copper ice]

i paid 7 bucks 5 years ago

make game for next 20 years

[fiery shoal]

right?

tbf that option is still there though...

[zealous vigil]

Is 128 breakthrough coming back soon?

[eager spire]

noted youtuber BlueDrake even got upset about this, and on top of that, used this to promote his own game, Operation: Harsh Doorstop, which, get this, also has paid DLC that you have to buy to get access to the SDK for modding. The game is technically free and he bills it as a open platform for anyone to do mods on, but you have to pay to get access to the SDK.

[patent prism]

We talkin' about mods?

[copper ice]

i have beef with triple A companies making very expensive games and slapping a billion extra ways to sell shit on top of them (especially if they're bug-ridden and the microtransactions are advertised all over the place(fuck you dice)) but indie companies etc selling games for notably under standard industry price gots to make the cash somehow

[eager spire]

well i'm more talking about Bluedrake being more than a bit hypocritical

[tough folio]

indie makes games for passion, triple a makes games for business

[spiral folio]

BF1 is how to do lootboxes right

[fiery shoal]

eh, even then the cost of game dev has sky rocketed and gaming prices have been 50-60 bucks for literally 2 decades... that doesnt even consider inflation.... of course devs/pubs want to offset live services somehow

[patent prism]

Ah okay. Yeah, I have a lot against Bluedrake beyond being hypocritical. Was just hoping for an opportunity to make my usual remark: Mods make game immortal, but immortal games hurt future sales. (Patent pending)

[spiral folio]

Like lets players earn them or be whales

[fiery shoal]

?

[copper ice]

it ain't like we can afford any more either! everyone suffering from inflation

[spiral folio]

I had all the skins and such from bf1s lootboxes and never paid a dime

[eager spire]

what part of that is confusing? @fiery shoal

[copper ice]

they are really mad in the reviews of squad wow

this is silly

[fiery shoal]

ehhh, kind of irrelevant to games since you know.. i just pointed out that they havent increased prices even considering for inflation...

[copper ice]

in the UK they were 60 quid in the 80s, then went down to 40 quid in the 2000s

they're up to 70 quid now

[fiery shoal]

that ? was in response to the original comment of this

[fiery shoal]

ah, well for usa n64 games were commonly 60 bucks, that price has stayed even now

[eager spire]

N64 games are stupid expensive right now. Thanks collectors.

[spiral folio]

Snes games were also

[copper ice]

i appreciate everything is more expensive but if your game dev is more expensive and your games are still bug-ridden and shoddily developed then i am going to legally acquire your games or get a cheap subscription service for 1 year to try your game and shit on it

that being said god i hate 2042

[patent prism]

I was very delighted to learn that two of my nieces play on my brother's old Nintendo 64 the other day.

[spiral folio]

Per inflation SNES GAMES were the most expensive

[fiery shoal]

its just natural imo, games are more complicated in just about every single way, more chances for there to be problems

its not like we are asking 600 man teams to create a side scroller super mario game...

[copper ice]

we SHOULD be.

[patent prism]

wat

[fiery shoal]

its like saying a perfectly drawn circle is more impressive than the mona lisa with problems

[copper ice]

give me a mario with war stories, multiplayer, battle royale, co-op (LOL) and a nice fat battlepass to top it off

[fiery shoal]

a simple game with no bugs isnt really anything to praise

[eager spire]

3,000 developers allegedly worked on MW22.

[copper ice]

a complicated game that isn't fun and is still full of bugs isn't anything to praise either

[spiral folio]

I'll take that mona lisa with errors if youve got one

[fiery shoal]

(im not saying to not be mad at games with problems, its just more complicated than "old games didnt have bugs, modern games suck")

[sour meadow]

wtf is a tactical weapon

[spiral folio]

Cause id sure as shit take that over a good circle

[eager spire]

modern games do suck tho

[patent prism]

Shotgun, crossbow, Rorsch, Gvt 45-70

[sour meadow]

oh

[fiery shoal]

ehhh... you and your takes

[eager spire]

there are exceptions but for the most part gaming kind of sucks ass

[sour meadow]

they changed it from utility?

[patent prism]

Yes?

[sour meadow]

i see

[copper ice]

old games definitely had bugs (that's why speedruns are so cool) but the constant focus on 4k textures and shit isn't helping modern games function well

[patent prism]

Idk dude I could be full of shit, but I assume that's what it is.

[sour meadow]

oh you right

[copper ice]

utility weapons are tactical weapons now yeah

took them 3 years to make that decision

hard to locate a dictionary

[spiral folio]

Yea old games had bugs for sure. Ie the mario "chimney" bug lvl 2 you could break out of the map and walk on top

It worked on every map

[fiery shoal]

i feel like we have a ton of "best games of all time" coming out recently, and while those could be considered outliers, i would still argue that in general gaming is in a great spot. the shitty games are more of an outlier than anything

[spiral folio]

But some levels you couldn't get back into so wasnt always a good idea

[ebon pilot]

that's not really a bug if they designed secrets around it

[spiral folio]

It wasnt intentional

And it coukd also kill you

[copper ice]

i generally find old games to have less consistent bugs due to not being constantly updated etc meaning the game had to actually function correctly upon release

[spiral folio]

So...

[copper ice]

now they can just promise to fix it later

(they fix it later and the fix adds 5 more bugs)

[fiery shoal]

they have less bugs because they are simple games...

[spiral folio]

Any secret warp zones you could do with it you could do without it

[shell ermine]

Cartridge games were priced based on the type of cartridges they used. Some SNES games were cheap because they used cheap carts without the chips for saving, some were expensive because they used expansion chips for enhanced features

[fiery shoal]

like the metaphor before, its harder to fuck up drawing a circle than it is drawing the mona lisa

[copper ice]

a circle doesn't get in the best art of all time list

2042 definitely ain't in the best games of all time list

[fiery shoal]

art is subjective though...

on a technical level modern games are absolutely better..

[patent prism]

and coincidentally so is game quality.

[copper ice]

i ain't buying games for their techincality

[spiral folio]

I think the original mario and zelda games had a staff of like 5 people

[copper ice]

i'm buying them for fun value

[eager spire]

i don't think that's true

[fiery shoal]

i mean.. in part you are because without "technicality" you wouldnt have games progress and youd still be stuck playing pong

[eager spire]

that does not seem right to me

[patent prism]

also coincidentally a subjective value

[spiral folio]

You can look it up

Prove me wrong

[copper ice]

true, but generally more bugs = less fun

[spiral folio]

Pong was hard coded on a chip board by 1 guy so..

[shell ermine]

That's not how arguing works

[patent prism]

yes, but more complexity = more bugs

[shell ermine]

Back up your own assertions with sources

Or shut the fuck up

[fiery shoal]

bit extreme...

[copper ice]

more experience with the game engine should = less bugs

[spiral folio]

Hey might put your turn signal on when you exit your lane

[shell ermine]

But incorrect?

[copper ice]

bfv at one point was adding 5 bugs for every fixed bug

it was horrendous

remember fucking invisible soldiers?

we had that for MONTHS

[spiral folio]

Hyperbolic response to something you're not involved in

[fiery shoal]

i mean.. can i call you a dick for jumping into a conversation you had no part of to tell someone to shut the fuck because that wouldnt be incorrect? thats not how that works...

[eager spire]

Super Mario Bros had 6 different people working on it and The Legend of Zelda had 7. Mostly due to people working multiple roles.

[shell ermine]

"Clouds are made of cotton candy, now you prove me wrong"

[spiral folio]

So i was pretty much correct.

[ebon pilot]

unless the engine is just bad
i've been programming c++ for 3 years and i still fucking hate it and don't feel like i've been getting better because c++ fucking sucks

[copper ice]

tbh i am also more impressed by bfv on a technical level than 2042

[spiral folio]

EA probably has more secretaries

Hell
EA almost certainly has more janitors

[fiery shoal]

this statement assumes you know about developing to discern the differences between the two titles? its not like we are comparing an 8 bit sidescroller to 2042...

[patent prism]

I seem to recall, and I could be wrong here, reading an account of the difficulties within DICE after BFV/before 2042 being that people who developed the engine had either resigned or retired and therefore no one could show new people the ropes. Which coincidentally is also why I think Battlefield should have mod support, because mod developers are a fantastic source of potential future employees.

[eager spire]

I'm not convinced mod support would work out as well as you'd think it would.

[ebon pilot]

mod support requires engine support for mods

which requires people know the engine

and that's not happening in $current_year

[eager spire]

It would result in a lot of people making very basic things and then pissing out because they're not popular.

Venice Unleashed has been out for a while. It has mod support for BF3. Does anyone care? No.

Not really.

The only notable mod that came out of that is Reality Mod, but that's just Squad But In BF3

[copper ice]

surprised they didn't try to jam an 8 bit sidescroller into bfv on top of everything else really

[noble scaffold]

I think that new assault rifle looks cool tue bulpup one

And thermal what nots

[copper ice]

if the average player can't discern the the differences, then the progress isn't visible

[noble scaffold]

All these gadgets and thingymabobs

[copper ice]

thus we should return to pong

[granite island]

Ea doesn't like mods

As seen with battlefront 2

[patent prism]

Arma 3 has had mod support from day 1. Does it keep the game alive? Yes. But then we get to my other thought on mod support. Mods make games immortal, immortal games cost more

[copper ice]

they can't charge you for mods

[patent prism]

It just depends on how extensive the mod support is.

[noble scaffold]

All these doohickeys and such

[fiery shoal]

why would the average person know anything about a multi hundred person creation that takes multiple years and mid to high skillsets?

[copper ice]

if they can't tell then what's the point of making a more technical game?

if it's not visible in some format what's the point beyond increasing bug count

[fiery shoal]

because thats how gaming advances in the first place?

[copper ice]

if the advancement is visible then it's visible by some metric

[patent prism]

people like pretty looking things and technological advancements.

[fiery shoal]

like i said before, if games didnt advance on a technical aspect we'd all be playing pong still

[copper ice]

there's a big difference between pong and 2042, thus it can be told

[noble scaffold]

In my opinion another plane would be cool f18 mod3 since wouldn’t be too bad

[fiery shoal]

but advancements are typically incremental...

[copper ice]

god i miss titanfall 2

[patent prism]

and how did we get to that big difference? through advancements.

[granite island]

I wish hazard zone had it's own maps

[copper ice]

tbh there were some very visible and hefty advancements in early game progression

[patent prism]

which, in pretty much every case, isn't made overnight.

[fiery shoal]

if cars advanced at the same rate as computing/gaming then wed have flying cars by now

[copper ice]

it's only relatively recently it's gotten slower

and yet the bug count has drastically increased

[fiery shoal]

theres a word for that but i cant think of it right now

diminishing returns?

[patent prism]

You mean that one law I can't remember either?

[fiery shoal]

moores law?

[copper ice]

you'd think the diminishing returns would also effect bugs too though right?

[fiery shoal]

nope

[copper ice]

but they've gotten worse instead

at this rate the bugs will be drowning the games out

[patent prism]

yes, that one, but modified slightly

[fiery shoal]

in gaming there was an example how a player model made up of something like 10k polygons basically looks the same as a player model made of 100k polygon

one is technically better, but its not as obviously apparent

[copper ice]

so stop making them out of 100k !!

[fiery shoal]

yes theres a line to reasonably walk up to, but that just means you put those resources elsewhere

[copper ice]

the companies are still pushing at the edges of what is possible despite the lack of immediate reward, and then offcharging the costs (and bugs) with tons of mobile game tier transactions

[spiral folio]

Oh speakin back on game bugs
I have an old pong game where if you switch the levers on it just right you can induce some bugs that way. You could also switch modes really fast and glitch player 2 out

[patent prism]

are you just playing devil's advocate in absurdum at this point @copper ice

[fiery shoal]

yea thats what im assuming at this point

[copper ice]

unless they're bfv and they can't even make vehicle skins until they end support

[spiral folio]

There's no save data or coding. Theyre just hard wired

[copper ice]

no these are my genuine opinions

[patent prism]

ok

[copper ice]

i am admittedly being pedantic but it's not false i'm just annoying

[fiery shoal]

the cost thats being offcharged with transations are things like free maps and weapons, things that used to cost 15 bucks for 4 maps just 6ish years ago

[copper ice]

those maps and guns also tended to come with less bugs

bit my tongue

[fiery shoal]

even if 100% true, 6 years ago those games were simpler still... and naturally something directly paid for should "work better" than free content now

[eager spire]

Looks at MW22's "Premium" DLC plans, where they planned to charge $70 for a DLC to MW22 that had remade OG MW2 maps

[copper ice]

yeah but there's really basic failures of bugs in current era games

half the portal guns have the wrong stats on their attachments as an example

which is immediately verifiable and is absolutely not something that slipped through testing

PBX close combat ammo has double the minimum kill range of all it's other ammo types

[fiery shoal]

eh i have no dev experience, but im sure its not a literal copy and paste scenario

[copper ice]

this is stuff that takes literally 5 minutes of testing to flag

[eager spire]

Whatever process they use must be fucked

[copper ice]

like put your eyes on a spreadsheet tier

look at number is number correct y/n

[fiery shoal]

the problem could not be identifying a problem, but fixing it?

[eager spire]

if the problem is weapon stats, how hard could it be to change them?

[fiery shoal]

not saying its excusable for them to have a hard time fixing it

[copper ice]

if you are struggling to fix gun stats in a shooter then i am very afraid for the development process

they don't seem to have nearly as much trouble with the skins

[fiery shoal]

i assume its not hard, and i partially agree chunky, but we have no clue as people who have never developed anything

[copper ice]

unfortunately true

[remote kiln]

struggling to fix gun stats
wait till you learn they're taken from older engines lol

[copper ice]

[remote kiln]

they aren't built from scratch, so no, it doesn't take 5 minutes

the values aren't the same across iterations

[copper ice]

the PBX is a new gun

fresh from 2042

[eager spire]

there is a basic assumed level of competency that is assumed of the developers, and something like this being a problem is concerning

[copper ice]

also, if they come from older games, it is more important to not fuck it up if it is not easily fixable

[fiery shoal]

yes it is, but we cant gauge at all how easy or hard anything is because we have no clue.. thats all im saying

[remote kiln]

??

[eager spire]

like i generally assume that the people working on the game know what they're doing

[patent prism]

I would have liked to post one of my favorite programming memes here, but I do not possess the ability to post images, so I shall just quote it:

# is obsolete, and doesn't seem to do
# anything. and you would be correct.
# but when we remove this function
# for some reason the whole program
# crashes and we can't figure out why,
# so here it will stay```
Edit: IIRC this is from TF2

[remote kiln]

probably don't comment on something if you haven't worked on it before

[eager spire]

i would like to assume that.

[remote kiln]

not a good look

[eager spire]

but it's hard to.

[copper ice]

it's not a good look to be a dev of an incredibly famous game franchise and continuously fuck up your additions either man

whats your point

[fiery shoal]

well obviously they do since they DO have a functioning game in the first place (a complicated game at that)... you arent automatically deemed incompetent because your game isnt flawless

[copper ice]

oh shit we can't fix it lol better ship it anyway whoopsie

[fiery shoal]

no modern game ships 100%

[copper ice]

all the guns from portal that are being put into the main modes of 2042 have had literally all of the lifespan of 2042 to be fixed before they are in the main game

[eager spire]

they don't even ship 90%

[copper ice]

and they are not being fixed

[remote kiln]

they aren't supposed to be fixed

[copper ice]

oh

sorry my misunderstanding

[eager spire]

hell they probably ship like 45-70%

[fiery shoal]

is 2042 on the worse end of being "polished", yes, id argue thats natural given the complexity of the game (still not acceptable at launch though)

[remote kiln]

did you listen whatsoever when DICE said why they were they adding portal guns?

[copper ice]

i was under the impression the game was supposed to function

[dapper river]

Why the fuck can't they?

[copper ice]

because it's easier than actually making new weapons?

[remote kiln]

yes?

and because people wanted them?

[fiery shoal]

TECHNICALLY, a game likely wouldnt even function if it wasnt like.. 80% complete (being extremely technical and considering engine and all the code to even get a game going in the first place)