battlefield-2042

[low timber]

And then never again

[next onyx]

I don't remember motion balls but not that.

They did vault the portal weapons but in all out warfare ya.

[pine roost]

yeah the b a l l s were removed breifly because they were causing lag

or at least, they were testing to see if it was the cause

[next onyx]

B A L L S.

[low timber]

And Dozer’s shield for being able to deflect tank shells

[next onyx]

I remember at launch it caused an invulnerability bug.

[pine roost]

reminds me of that one squad update

but they didn't have the luxury of taking things out on the dime

[next onyx]

You mention balls by the way and I think of keepers sack in the binding of isaac.

[pine roost]

I picture the goo sacs from DRG

[next onyx]

Drg?

[pine roost]

deep rock

[next onyx]

Ah

[pine roost]

oh wait no, I meant the gunk seeds

not much better to be honest

[rocky bear]

dead servers :(

[upbeat sand]

The 1942 assault icon

WHAT IS THAT THING

[pine roost]

what is it

[upbeat sand]

Cursed gun

[mighty holly]

_ _

[pine roost]

welp if things couldn't get stranger there was a fire alarm, nothing major fortunately

[solar obsidian]

cursed game

[arctic grove]

can u use portal weapons in normal 2042?

[next onyx]

Certain weapons yeah.

[arctic grove]

which ones

[next onyx]

P90, AKS74u, pp2000, M16a3, A91, MTAR, ACW-R, M416, M60, XM8 MG, m240, M39 and the GOL.

As far as I can remember.

[arctic grove]

dope

im assuming its just most that arent bf1942

[fervent mantle]

@next onyx is there a way to track the repair leaders? Im asking because i put alot of time keeping heli's in the sky and other vehicles repaired. I have 424 mastery on repair tool and around 850,000 repair points.

[upbeat sand]

A player card actually does imply that there will be 1942 vault weapons but we just have to see

[next onyx]

I don't know.

[fervent mantle]

Ok, thx for the response.

[pine roost]

does bf tracker have a leaderboard for repair score?

[low timber]

It has trackers for gadgets

The website one, not the app one

[stark rover]

is there a battlefield app?

[sour cedar]

Repair score should be x2

Nobody wants to repair

[stark rover]

i dont think ive ever played as an engineer tbh

[sour cedar]

It's kinda fun when you have 2 Crawford in a chopper making it impossible to kill

But nobody actually does it bc it's just boring

Actually hoping on a tank and acting as a repair/third gun is a little fun

Nobody expects it when you blast them with an lmg

[stark rover]

yeah there's good strats i just don't use them cus the'yre kinda boring

[quartz wedge]

Which map rework is coming first? Hourglass or Discarded?

I know season 4 is right around the corner but I just wanna double check

[west temple]

supposedly Discarded

[regal sphinx]

It's about time the map reworks will be finished.
So DICE will have additional ressources for Season 5. 😁👍

[sour steeple]

Cant wait for more sandbags

[spiral folio]

They can re-rework exposure

[mental delta]

Discarded planned for season 4 while Hourglass is planned for season 5 probably

[mental delta]

Re-rework ? But Exposure has never been reworked, it released in its definite state ?

[spiral folio]

It has

They redrew the BT sectors and moved some shit

Its 400% worse than when it released

Mainly because of the last 3 sectors of which the last with the damn server room is the worst sector in the game

[mental delta]

Hahaha the server room objective is so fucking annoying

People spam Sundance's grenades

[spiral folio]

Its badly designed is what it is

[mental delta]

And you can't do anything else than moving backward

[spiral folio]

Like previously the sectors were mostly on the cliff or tunnels

The final one was on top

[mental delta]

Yeah they should make people go through tunnels and add more covers in them

[spiral folio]

The 3rd sector is ass

And the last one is asser

It basically makes the cliff top worthless

[mental delta]

Server room objective should only get a little opening on the cliff and people should majorly attack by the tunnel it would be much more interesting

[spiral folio]

It shouldn't even be an objective

[mental delta]

Ha yeah I knew something was different lmao, I never figured out what really changed

[spiral folio]

There were no canyon objectives in BT

[arctic grove]

you guys remember that shortcut in bf3

[mental delta]

Shortcut ?

[arctic grove]

you can explode another route for shortcut

ye

you can easily recognize what I mean

blue doors

with red propane tank next to it

[mental delta]

Map is poorly used anyway, breakthrough should begin near the lake and progress until objectives go near the cliff, then you have to jump off the cliff to attach last sector which is in the bottom of the map

[mental delta]

Huh no I don't see what you're talking about sorry

[regal sphinx]

DICE seems ahead of schedule - class system was planned for Season 4.
So they should have reworked Hourglass AND Discarded untill Season 4 ends.

[spiral folio]

The part I really hate is like if your objective was to take this facility for weapons research. Thst server room would be worthless after thar fight

[arctic grove]

you played the game right?

[mental delta]

Yeah a lot

[spiral folio]

And nothing in the canyon will he worth taking so there's no point going in there

[arctic grove]

specifically rush?

it can be more noticable

[mental delta]

Not a lot but I played it quite enough

[mental delta]

Jumping off the cliff should be used more in breakthrough

[arctic grove]

I think, maybe,
they only appear in back to karkland maps

not sure

one map pack had that gimmick

[mental delta]

This DLC was pure gold

[arctic grove]

the palace map

and epicenter

have those shortcuts

[mental delta]

Those maps are from 2 other DLCs lol but yeah they were so fucking perfect

Ziba tower is iconic

[arctic grove]

imagine if they brought back epic center back in bf4

the levolution would be earthquake destruction

streets are creating massive canyons

buildings topple

[mental delta]

Lol the whole map would have collapsed

[arctic grove]

a missed opportunity

[mental delta]

Earthquakes should be more exploited in BF games it creates interesting shit

[arctic grove]

it's mother nature rhing

[mental delta]

I know I shouldn't say that rn but whatever

[arctic grove]

you can't create it

[mental delta]

It's like naval assault

That shit is perfect for BF games

[arctic grove]

imagine naval maps

but there's a tsunami

[mental delta]

Launching an assault on a defended beach with LAV and big transport vehicles should be a thing in next BF

[mental delta]

I thought about that but that would be massive

[hybrid totem]

so... paracel storm rush

laser designated targets and javelins all day long

[arctic grove]

isn't there gunship for naval assault maps rush

?

[hybrid totem]

there's a boat, yes, that also gets laser designated and javelined to death

[arctic grove]

???

not a boat lmao

[hybrid totem]

Then no, not that I've seen

[arctic grove]

there has to be

[hybrid totem]

the ac 130?

[arctic grove]

considering bf3 armored shield has one

it has to exist!

[mental delta]

They should make reverse rush for each map, like you can play rush as attacker with both teams, first match is RU attackers and second one is OTAN attackers

First match you go from naval ship to land

[arctic grove]

The what attackers

Oh

[mental delta]

Second one you go from land to naval ship

[arctic grove]

Nato reversed

[hybrid totem]

"we've pushed back the aggressors, now we take the fight to them!"

[arctic grove]

if only bf4 had both mcom and flag objective

[mental delta]

I mean a rush in two matches, the second match is like the first one but in reverse, you attack in the opposite direction

[mental delta]

Yeah that kind of shit lol

[arctic grove]

why can't we have that

have two different objectives in one mode

Honestly

I would love story driven coop missions

This game has an amazing narrative

[arctic grove]

BC2

[mental delta]

Next game should have some yes

[arctic grove]

and bf 5, but that's boring ?

I heard

[mental delta]

Like 8 players coop would be fun

[arctic grove]

With randoms probably yes

[arctic grove]

imagine campaign AI to behave like players movements

and not heavily scripted

much better tbh

Imagine campaign ai with bots that don't constantly monitor your exact position

Holy fuck bfV was terrible

I kept getting killed through wooden houses cuz

imagine campaign AI where they don't have Hercules arm

Fuck me

[mental delta]

Would be cool yes and that would even more interesting if they could use vehicles properly

[arctic grove]

the bots in bf4 campaign are so shit

boosted health and an arm to be used by Olympus

god

I love how they ignore your squad mates and just go for you

[arctic grove]

bad programming moment

You think?

[plucky chasm]

whats the best guns anyone know

[arctic grove]

Maybe it's a gameplay decision

[arctic grove]

ye

[mental delta]

Definitely MCS shotgun

[arctic grove]

No no

[arctic grove]

you've seen the classic battlefront campaign?

It's the m1911

it'll be like that

[mental delta]

The 2004 one ?

[arctic grove]

But seriously the sfar and the m5a3 are hella good

ye

[plucky chasm]

what weapon is that lol

[plucky chasm]

ok thanks i will try them

[mental delta]

Ho yeah my bad sorry, A-91 is close enough though

[arctic grove]

He's just messing with ya

[mental delta]

A shotgun but don't play it

[plucky chasm]

im trying bsvm i should abandon it

ohhh righto it was a inside joke

[arctic grove]

Oh yeah it's too good for him

[mental delta]

So BTF 1 from 2004, not BTF2 from 2005 ?

[arctic grove]

yes

[arctic grove]

Solid gun too

do you not know them??

With short barrel and high power mags

It's very solid

[plucky chasm]

is that the 300 kill mag?

[arctic grove]

Ye

And the first one you unlock

[plucky chasm]

fuck im still grinding that one

[arctic grove]

In case u run out of primary ammo

Switch over to hp subsonic

[mental delta]

Which one ?

[arctic grove]

Play with bots if ur struggling

both lmao

both bots in both games are similar

[plucky chasm]

ok i might i got like 200 kills so far

[mental delta]

First game had campaign too ?

[plucky chasm]

i wanted to play bf3 and bc2 but no one plays them anymore

[arctic grove]

BRUHHHHHH

[arctic grove]

for 3, play with bots

Cover art designers trying not to make the cover art a dude posing with a gun (IMPOSSIBLE)

much better

[plucky chasm]

how is there bots in number 3

[arctic grove]

install mods

welcome to PC gaming

[plucky chasm]

oh really cool i didnt know that

[mental delta]

I know you're talking about bot modes but I didn't know first one ha campaign too

[arctic grove]

damn man

[mental delta]

Btw can you play older games on PC with a controller ?

[arctic grove]

old racing games? sure

but why fps?

lol

Too much button

[mental delta]

To make it feel like I play it on PS2

[arctic grove]

time has changed

unless you play on emulator

[mental delta]

And do you know

If it's possible

To play and XBOX and PC exclusive game

With a PS5 controller

Lol

[arctic grove]

you're a joke

[mental delta]

I play High on Life on PC

But some missions are bugged with mouse and key

And I would like to play it with controller

[arctic grove]

then look for a god damn fix

[mental delta]

But I don't have Xbox so

[mental delta]

I looked for it on Bing () but found nothing

[arctic grove]

then it's on you

or search harder

if a game has control support problems, then people will eventually figure it out

you lot

[mental delta]

I think there's no fix for that, looked for it and everyone has same problem, PC version is just bugged

[plucky chasm]

anyone else with we had server browser back

wish

[arctic grove]

I wished

then again

2042 is a shit game

[mental delta]

They talked about it recently

But nothing confirmed

[arctic grove]

don't expect much

[plucky chasm]

its the only bf that populated in my region arghh it sucks

[plucky chasm]

oo in that podcast?

[arctic grove]

so be it

blame them

not your fault

[mental delta]

Yeah probably but I didn't listen to it so it maybe during another thing

[arctic grove]

and why don't you bring back fuck tons of bf4 content

1 and 3

[plucky chasm]

literally all they have to do is make portal maps bring them from bc2 bf3 and 4

make a whole flashback playlist

[arctic grove]

then it won't make money

[mental delta]

Yeah and more precisely maps, which were better in those games

[arctic grove]

and gunship

cruise missile

commander

[plucky chasm]

that would make so much people coming back to game tho

[arctic grove]

you wished lmao

but unlikely

[urban willow]

They would have to port it over to the new frostbite engine

idk how that'd handle

[arctic grove]

can I just say

[plucky chasm]

cant be that hard surely

[arctic grove]

new engine isn't great

not superior as bf1

[plucky chasm]

why does bf3 graphics then 2042 or am i blind

[arctic grove]

because

[plucky chasm]

look better

[arctic grove]

that's how modern games are

looks shit

that's the truth

[urban willow]

Bf3 hid with filters but you know, game was awesome

[mental delta]

Their new engine looks shit oppositely to Frostbite but Frostbite caused them too many problems

[urban willow]

clean movement

[arctic grove]

don't forget old games had better animations

[mental delta]

They had to get rid off it also because the one who created it and improved it all over the years just left Dice

[urban willow]

Yeah. That's the animation team

[arctic grove]

the camera work in 2042 is so shit

[mental delta]

Did you see that BFV fall effect they just implemented lmao, it's so fucking shitty

Sometimes you fall off a 5 meters distance and there's nothing, and sometimes you jump off a 50 centimeters distance and you get that fall effect

[urban willow]

Its very floaty feeling. Like.. light?

[plucky chasm]

i dont get why people are happy with 1 map a season its pathetic

should be 2 or 3minimum

remember we user to get 4 maps a dlc

use

[versed tangle]

Hello. Is there a channel for support? Since I been forced to install the EA launcher, I cannot get my game to run?

[mental delta]

Me neither, at launch everybody was complaining about it and people got used to it finally, but I still find it a shame personally

[plucky chasm]

i saw some streamer go wqow this is rteally good content like really bro

wow really

my main issue atm is lack of maps and i cant choose map i want

no voting systems

[acoustic seal]

all the people who weren't happy left already lol

[mental delta]

They are all fake BF fans lol, a decent amount of maps would be at least 2 and even with 1 or 2 Portal maps

[acoustic seal]

for a major, highly preordered AAA release this game is pulling dead numbers

[mental delta]

Because no persistent servers

[mossy badge]

in miiw we get 2 remakes
It's sad that map numbers are getting low in free updates but I hated paid dlc maps problem is when it was paid we used to get more maps
More maps + free will be the best thing 😍

[mental delta]

Yup hard fans from this server try to make you think it's very populated but it's not lol

[wise zodiac]

I'd say overall there's about 100k people world wide playing.

Steam only accounts for a percentage. You still got Origin, and your Microsoft/PS stores that don't track the numbers like we see with Steamcharts.

[wise zodiac]

BF4 DLCs.. aaah, those were the days

[mossy badge]

Those were also bad days

Because we had to pay for maps and then shortcut kits and then premiums

[acoustic seal]

there's no way when steam alone doesn't even break 10k at peak

[wise zodiac]

Premium was nice.. I'd rather pay for extra content every 3-4 months that's quality, over getting it drip fed with a live service where they put in minimal amount of work.

[mossy badge]

Thing is they weren't quality maps either

I never heard anyone praising bfiiii maps

[arctic grove]

I say like 40-50k

And that's being generous

[wise zodiac]

Steamcharts disagrees with you.

36k peak back in December, 16k peak recently.

[acoustic seal]

that's because there was a free weekend in december lol

[wise zodiac]

You forget consoles are cheaper, it's also on Xbox Game Pass.

[mossy badge]

In 24 hours it didn't crossed 10k

[wise zodiac]

Not everyone has a PC.

I dont have a PC; there's for sure 40k-50k people on Xbox alone.

[mossy badge]

Not everyone has next gen Consoles yet

[arctic grove]

Well you can still play on past gen

[wise zodiac]

It's also on One S/X.

[arctic grove]

We'll also include them

But the servers on old gen were slowly dying

[mossy badge]

omg I am scared to watch old gen gameplay of 2042

[arctic grove]

Glad I moved over to pc

[wise zodiac]

So, it's for sure 50k people on Xbox alone. Another 30-40k on PS4/5. And 10k on PC.

That's still 100k.

[arctic grove]

It's ok, I have like 600 hours on ps4 so you don't have to

[mossy badge]

Neither you have proof neither I
So I will assume game has around 60k players
And you can assume 100k

[wise zodiac]

I used to play it on old gen. I got new gen and haven't touched the new gen version yet. Too busy with HLL, BFV, and Hogwarts Legacy

[arctic grove]

I was expecting him to say he's too busy with work or studying

[mossy badge]

you got better games to enjoy sooo thats nice

[mossy badge]

I spend whole day finishing my assignment

[wise zodiac]

Oh, and work. That too.

And a 3 year old.

🤣

[mossy badge]

In 2 days I drank drink 6 cup of black coffee

[arctic grove]

Sucks to have kids

[mossy badge]

I never did this before

[mental delta]

Problem is that they oriented their plans onto selling cosmetics rather than giving us actual content, maps and guns amount if really lower but cosmetics number had never been that high

[arctic grove]

I mean

It doesn't suck

But it kinda does

[wise zodiac]

Nah, it's a blast, actually.

I'm teaching her how to use the controllers, so I'll have a player 2 soon.

[wise zodiac]

It's a double edged sword. 🤣

[arctic grove]

The biggest concern is money for me

[mental delta]

Lol you got kids just to have someone to play with so, you're a real trickster

[mossy badge]

Art team and I think map designer whatever they are called are different team I guess but if you see their focus is on wzii and dmz because content offering isn't stopping there in 3 months they added building 21 and a new map is coming already but it is sad that they are forgetting miiw the game people paid for crabs but I think they will drop new original map in next season maybe

[arctic grove]

Then again, I'm not having kids anytime soon

I gotta get into a frickin uni first

[wise zodiac]

Shhhh, don't tell my wife that. 🤣

[wise zodiac]

Money pits for SURE!

[mental delta]

Yeah two different teams but they give a lot too many resources to cosmetics part of games, I saw people were deceived because everybody bought MW2 80 bucks and finally they don't update it correctly, it's sad and for the moment I don't plan to touch MW2 again until they release new maps

[mental delta]

She'll discover it one day or another

[mossy badge]

They also added raids, they also added a rocket league mode they added two version of shipment one was Christmas theme , they also added spec ops mission 2-3 mission
Still no new maps which is sad I know and I understand that crabs 😔

[wise zodiac]

She probably already knows 🤣🤣

[arctic grove]

Do you think they'll ever remove the stupid vignette from scopes

[mossy badge]

I do like the map they are adding it's dome bro it's really a great map but again a remake

[mental delta]

Yeah you see those shit are useless, like we don't care about a snowy shipment, a football mode or shit, just give actual content lol, and raids look fun but too hard and coop doesn't have public matches

[mental delta]

She's part of the trick too so

[wise zodiac]

[mental delta]

Tbh I would rather take a remake over badly designed new maps

[mossy badge]

Maybe season 3 will be an improvement on content offering for miiw we can hope

[mental delta]

I hope so, I am just waiting for new AC and Payday 3 so I can get rid off those games lol

[mossy badge]

Ubisoft forgot that they have to show gameplay of ac mirage

[mental delta]

Lmao they forgot they started making this game I believe

No infos about it for now

Interesting communication strategy

[sour steeple]

No its not. Friends on xbox are getting alot lobbies Half with ai in eu ir same ppl over and over . And on na Servers its even worse. And oce just ded

[mossy badge]

Crabs look in other games

[wise zodiac]

It's not peak time in NA.

It's also not peak time in EU.

[mental delta]

But you can't play crossplay off

[wise zodiac]

OCE is ALWAYS dead.

[mental delta]

Ya mate

[next onyx]

It's not dead all the time.

[arctic grove]

Mfw no digital flora for boris

[wise zodiac]

Your peak times are when everyone else is either at work or sleeping. 🤣

[sour steeple]

You can play crossplay off. But you have to change Settings on xbox itself.
I was 15 years on xbox. Xbox was below ps always playercount wise and slightly higher than pc.

50k is probably the avg number with all platforms together. And slightly higher on weekends

[next onyx]

When everyone's sleeping the U.S yes.

We do have an active community.

But it is not "Always dead"

[arctic grove]

It's good to be a European

And have the most populated servers

[indigo cave]

You would think an Australian would know more about their region

[arctic grove]

But it also sucks cuz barely anyone speaks English

[mental delta]

I can't play with crossplay off on PS5 tbh, idk why

[next onyx]

It does quieten down at midnight.

But that's about it.

Servers start up and running at 10 AM.

[sour steeple]

I dont know how PS Settings work

[arctic grove]

What the hell do you have to change on xbox

[next onyx]

Settings in the main menu.

[arctic grove]

Oh wait

[solar obsidian]

[next onyx]

I wish I was in the Netherlands so I can farm the EU.

Show people OCE might.

[solar obsidian]

god is here

[arctic grove]

Can you not turn off cplay just like that

On xbox

Or what

[solar obsidian]

why would anyone ever throw off cross play lol

[arctic grove]

Cuz I remember players complaining

[solar obsidian]

only complaining there has been is very low skilled players having some bias that mouse are better in every way

if you are not in the top 1% of the playerbase, mouse players dont matter

you will see some very good controller users also

[next onyx]

Mouse and keyboard is more flexible than controller.

That's one big thing about it.

[mental delta]

To not play with PC players

[next onyx]

That's why people prefer to just have console crossplay against their own input.

[fervent rose]

most pc players are barely awake

[solar obsidian]

100%
but the sheer number of custom controllers should also be taken into consideration

[sour steeple]

If you turn cp off on xbox . Then lobbys will be Half full

And long ques

[low timber]

Why Netherlands? You want to meet Danny?

[solar obsidian]

i have a pc friend who play with controller, because he is used to it

[fervent rose]

crossplay off people just want to farm the bad xbox players, or you have a real skill issue

[next onyx]

At the end of the day they're still joysticks.

[sour steeple]

Thats how maxi makes his ytube videos

[next onyx]

I have a lot of friends in the Netherlands funny enough.

[fervent rose]

exactly maxiq is unfindable in my crossplay lobbies

[solar obsidian]

you have paddles with gives the ability to reload and do more actions without moving thumbs from both analogs

that itself is a huge advantage

but again

[next onyx]

I can do the same with a basic xbox controller.

[sharp coral]

Yo

[solar obsidian]

i truly dont care, i enable cross play

[low timber]

I actually saw Maxiq on the enemy team few days ago, as I got a kill assist on him with the Vulcan

[solar obsidian]

i rather we all play together

[next onyx]

Paddles make it a bit easier yes but the issue isn't as big.

[fervent rose]

controllers get like 4 assists, mnk is all raw

[sour steeple]

Thats why i moved to PC. Xbox cp off is just like coop bf experience if you are good with Controller just ez farm

[fervent rose]

its not massively imbalanced

like cod

[sour steeple]

And i couldnt stand controller anymore

[next onyx]

I just got a PC to see what it's like.

Lol.

[sour steeple]

And better games varity

[solar obsidian]

it was just to give an example

[sharp coral]

Does the server have a academy like section where I can discuss objective information and whatnot?

[next onyx]

Not really.

We all just talk here.

[sharp coral]

Damn ok.

[solar obsidian]

i screamed for cross play since the early 360 days,

i love the feature is in almost every big game

[next onyx]

Xbox on PS crossplay should be forced with PC being optional.

[fervent rose]

certain games would be 100% worse with crossplay, I can say that for sure. Like when I played pubg, there's no way that would have been balanced on mnk vs controller

[solar obsidian]

and how are we fixing those with adapters to mouse an keyboard

[sharp coral]

I just got into bf2042 after being disgusted with the game at launch and with the beta so I'm in the process of figuring out what's good, what's meta, what's off meta, whats shit, and what's broken (mechanically and balance wise).

[next onyx]

SCAR H is fun.

[mental delta]

This dude clearly like to suffer, take him to the psy or even hospital

[sharp coral]

So far I've maxed my m5, attack heli, tanks, and the aa gun vehicle.

[sour steeple]

Bf is a game where cp with PC isnt a Big deal. Most PC Players are same skill lvl as Controller ones. So there is no really inbalance

[next onyx]

You can't really 100% get rid of MnK adapters but they're not as common as you think.

Cronus is funny. People think it'll help them win the game.

[solar obsidian]

nope, just concerns there have been on console for over a decade now

[next onyx]

When in reality they play like bots.

[sour steeple]

Cs go crossplay on the other Hand wouldnt work

[pine roost]

True

[next onyx]

My view comes from being in OCE.

[fervent rose]

the base game 2042 ARs are all really good now.

and m16

[next onyx]

Where it's not coincidence the PC players are on top.

[pine roost]

Best option would be a way to play with your input exclusively. Would solve basically every problem

[sharp coral]

I mean when people be running aimbots, God mode, wall hacks, etc. it's pretty fucked.

[next onyx]

I wouldn't even be against them buffing aim assist for controllers if it meant people on console could catch up.

[solar obsidian]

this would still not fix the adapters, since they are seen as controllers by the games

[next onyx]

God mode with the cronus

?

[solar obsidian]

again, we can talk about how i personally want them banned,
and we would agree with that

[solar obsidian]

nono,

[pine roost]

Up to the developers to come up with ways to stop that from happening

[solar obsidian]

just better recoil, and of course having a mouse to aim with

[sharp coral]

Is the 2nd AR good? What setup should I run on it? I'm torn between working on it or picking the AK214 next.

[next onyx]

Recoil isn't impossible on controller.

People just think it's impossible.

[fervent rose]

which is the 2nd one you get again

[next onyx]

I can control an FG42 with 0 issues.

[sharp coral]

It's the amp or whatever

[next onyx]

But somehow that makes me a cheater.

[mental delta]

Lmaooo yeah, but vehicles are better on consoles so I understand, I just don't like playing in a server filled at 80% with PC players tbh

[solar obsidian]

not saying that is impossible, just saying what the scripts with cronus can do

[fervent rose]

AM40? cqb monster

[sharp coral]

Really?

[fervent rose]

ak is more flexible

[next onyx]

With a Cronus people think they'll win every time.

Or do better.

Nah!

I've fought tonnes of people using a Cronus and their performance doesn't change one bit.

[sharp coral]

What makes the am40 so good? Whats the ideal setup?

[fervent rose]

fire rate and the close range damage model make it delete people

[next onyx]

It has a very high rate of fire with a good BTK.

[sharp coral]

Btk?

[fervent rose]

bullets to kill

[next onyx]

Drums, Champion muzzle, laser and whatever sight does the job.

Bullets to kill.

[solar obsidian]

we can call that a skill issue,

if i sad down and started adapting my playstyle with some advantages like that, it would be insanely strong, and unfair for the rest

[sharp coral]

That's TTK

[fervent rose]

time to kill

[solar obsidian]

same goes for players with some lesser hacks on pc

[next onyx]

I don't see the advantage with a cronus.

[low timber]

Way, are you gonna get some mlg pro montages with the new smg coming in S4?

[fervent rose]

btk and ttk are slightly different

[next onyx]

PC hacks on the other hand are different.

[next onyx]

We'll see what happens, Marse.

[solar obsidian]

whats funny is the stuff cronus does, would be seen a tos breaking hacks in any other game on pc

[low timber]

We’ve seen your VCAR tricks already

[next onyx]

Me hacker man.

[low timber]

And that you need to click click click

[slow zephyr]

BF2042 server is down for anybody else? All multiplayer servers seem to be down since yesterday

[sharp coral]

So does the AM40 just fall off at range then?

[next onyx]

Fires a semi auto at its almost max rpm.
They're hacking!

[lucid goblet]

Way will prob have them all T1 within a day

[next onyx]

I'll try my best to get them done within a day.

Ugh.

[slow zephyr]

NA server here. San Jose. I can’t find a single multiplayer match. What are my options

[next onyx]

I need tonnes of coffee.

Lots of sleeping tablets.

[fervent rose]

at further ranges it has a heavy amount of recoil when you full auto yea

[low timber]

What if you keybind the fire to the scroll wheel and then unlock it? Kinda how people did in MW19.

[solar obsidian]

but again players have the choice to pick cross play or not,

[fervent rose]

but on the smaller maps am40 is an easy top 3 choice

[sharp coral]

What should I work on next between the AM40 and the AK214?

[next onyx]

That would mess me up because click click click mouse button.

Crossplay is enabled by default.

[fervent rose]

idk i never really play like that, i just swap based on map or sector in breakthrough

[sharp coral]

I turned that off immediately lol.

[sharp coral]

Well I'm still working on my guns. Don't have all their stuff.

I miss my bf4 gun collection.

[fervent rose]

if you want them fast you can solo breakthrough

the attachments

[sharp coral]

Is breakthrough a map or a gamemode

[solar obsidian]

gamemode

[sharp coral]

I can solo it like CQ?

[fervent rose]

mode, it's 64 player variant of Rush basically

[mental delta]

You play on PC ?

[sharp coral]

No

I'm a xboner

I just know my limits

[mental delta]

You can play on consoles with crossplay off ?

[sharp coral]

Yes

[wise zodiac]

Yes

[mental delta]

You too ???

[still vault]

Season collection complete

[mental delta]

How the fuck you dudes do that ?

Everytime I try I find no servers

[sharp coral]

We just turn it off and play the game

I haven't had issues

[solar obsidian]

gog is giving alien breed trilogy out

[wise zodiac]

Yeah, I just haven't played it though lately. Been quite a few months.

[mental delta]

Ha maybe I should try again now that it's more populated

[next onyx]

I kill people with SCAR.

And give them mental SCARs.

[mental delta]

Idk I never found servers with crossplay off

[sharp coral]

Sounds like a skill issue

[solar obsidian]

[mental delta]

[white ginkgo]

090449542

the world is ending 😦

[arctic grove]

what

[mental delta]

I play on PC too

[solar obsidian]

good shit

[mental delta]

Yeah but only for PayDay 2 and older games

[solar obsidian]

there is nothing wrong with that mate

[mental delta]

Hopefully, I would like to play older GTA games but as I'm new to PC idk how to plug a controller on it

[solar obsidian]

steam should sort most of it out, beside this.

xbox 360 and newer should auto install drivers from ms,
dual shock 4, i recommend installing a program called ds4windows

think it also support dual shock 5, but not 100% sure

[mental delta]

Ok thanks I'll look for that PS4 controller program, you think I can play GTA4 with PS5 controller for example ? Or at least PS4 one ?

[solar obsidian]

100%

[white ginkgo]

u can on pc, any controller for nearly any game

input is handled by your OS for controllers on pc

[solar obsidian]

all controllers can work on pc, the question is just getting the right program

[mental delta]

Ok thanks a lot mate

[white ginkgo]

you dont need a program if you are using PC for a controller...

[slow zephyr]

Servers show empty.

Yes I bought a new Router
Yes I bought a new PS5
Yes I restarted everything
Yes I checked my connections.

What’s my problem?

[mental delta]

But if I want to use PS5 controller on GTA for example how I do that please ?

[white ginkgo]

theoretically it should be plug and play with windows OS

[solar obsidian]

ds4windows convert the dual shock 4 signal to a xbox controller input, so games will also have xbox prompt

[white ginkgo]

plug with a charging cable to pc it will download the drivers automatically

[solar obsidian]

if in doubt with ANY pc tech,

google "pcgamingwiki" after your search,

[white ginkgo]

but why do this? to use extra resources?

[mental delta]

So theoretically I can play High on Life (Xbox and PC exclusive) with a PS4 or even PS5 controller ?

[solar obsidian]

dual shock 5 pcgamingwiki

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Controller:DualSense

[mental delta]

Window OS is a program ?

[solar obsidian]

yes

[white ginkgo]

yes if the game says it supports controller input on the steam page

[white ginkgo]

OS = operating system

[solar obsidian]

pcgamingwiki have all information about most common tech and games,

google is just easier to search on the site with

[white ginkgo]

its just your system is all

not a program

[mental delta]

Ok thanks I'll do that, being new to using PC for games I'm absolutely not used to compatibility problems and that kind of thing, for example I can't play Fallout 3 without really knowing why

[white ginkgo]

CTRL + F then searching is a great way too in here

[mental delta]

Problem is I play it on Xbox game pass lol

[white ginkgo]

oh what

[solar obsidian]

that only search for words on the site you already on

[white ginkgo]

IN HERE
THE CHANNEL

bruh this dude

[mental delta]

Why bruh me lol ?

[solar obsidian]

can still use dual shock and dual sense

[white ginkgo]

not u lol

[solar obsidian]

ahh

[white ginkgo]

in example: CTRL + F while in this channel, say you are wondering why u have input lag. ok type "input lag" and get every answer from previous chats here

[solar obsidian]

dont need to teach me these things, im not the one asking questions

[mental delta]

Yeah but how I do then ? I need to use the dual shock program in that case because Xbox won't propose me to use dual shock ?

[white ginkgo]

i get ya

[mental delta]

Ha ok lol

[white ginkgo]

i have adhd and i felt the strong urge to show that i was talking about the cord lmao

sorry @solar obsidian ❤️

typa bish who dont givaaaa fuuuuuuuuuuk

https://tenor.com/view/snoop-dogg-rap-hip-hop-west-coast-crips-gif-24898891

[solar obsidian]

@mental deltahttps://github.com/Ryochan7/DS4Windows/releases/tag/v3.2.8 this is ds4windows, use that for your dual shock 4 or dual sense controller, they support both

[white ginkgo]

Rewasd is an ok option too if you are looking for a paid program lol

[solar obsidian]

never take a paid program for simple stuff like this,

[white ginkgo]

you right

dual shock 8?

[mental delta]

Thanks a lot dude, it supports PS5 controller too ?

[solar obsidian]

yes, just follow the insallation guide

https://github.com/Ryochan7/DS4Windows

[mental delta]

Thanks, is it hard to understand or it's ok ?

[solar obsidian]

its very easy to understand when launching the program

this wall of text there is just a written guide for almost everything

the installation is like 3-4 steps ideally, that tells you what to do

[mental delta]

Little question, do I have to plug my controller when game is already launch or do I plug it in right after launching the program ?

[solar obsidian]

open ds4 windows, > connect controller > open game as last step

just make sure ds4 is open before you launch games

[sharp coral]

What's objectively the best AR and why?

[solar obsidian]

https://docs.ds4windows.app/guides/install-setup/

[solar obsidian]

scar, they still have ads bug intended to balance the power of that weapon

[sharp coral]

What bug?

[mental delta]

Ok thanks, it looks simple that

[mental delta]

SCAR is accurate and makes a lot of damage but M5A3 is just more compact

[sharp coral]

What's this ads bug he speaks of

[naive magnet]

Best AR is the scar; objectively the most powerful and utility

[mental delta]

Idk I struggle with all that gaming wise vocabulary tbh lol, I'm not English speaker originally but I guess you figured it out

[sharp coral]

I havent

Hence why I asked

[acoustic seal]

random things like getting out of a vehicle with the scar equipped will prevent you from aiming down sights until you die, they've tried to patch it like 4 times and failed

[mental delta]

What do you think about M416 and MTAR-21 ?

[sharp coral]

Oh wunderbar

[naive magnet]

Compared to the scar? They may be good, but not better imo

The scar is just way too deadly

[mental delta]

Ho that's the FUCKING bug he was talking about ???

[naive magnet]

A couple bullets they’re gone, if you’re in “AR dueling” range, the scar wins majority of the time against everything

[mental delta]

It happened with other guns too but has probably been fixed except for the SCAR

[sharp coral]

Who needs to ads

Pfft

Whatever

So whats the best smg? My bet is the vector with 50 round drum.

[fervent rose]

pbx, pp29, or pp2000 right now

[mental delta]

That's why to me vault weapons and especially AR should still get improved compared to AOW ones

[naive magnet]

Have you tried Portal?

[mental delta]

PBX is good yeah

[fervent rose]

like theres certain areas where close combat pbx is the best gun in the game easy

[naive magnet]

Played some older maps with older weapons, was a blast

[mental delta]

Huh yeah ?

[naive magnet]

It can mix up the monotony of the scar meta haha

[acoustic seal]

k30 sucks, bullets tend to go missing when fired due to high RPM jank and bad hitreg

[sharp coral]

Oh

[fervent rose]

k30 fills its niche as a hipfire hose

[sharp coral]

I had figured that they would have fixed hitreg

[fervent rose]

it was op before, now it is fine

maybe even too nerfed

[mental delta]

I prefer Portal guns over AOW ones tbh

[still vault]

I find that weird

[fervent rose]

I can't stand the Portal sights

none of the dots feel as good as the 2042 Fusion dot

[naive magnet]

Ehh it’s all preference, there’s no right or wrong haha

[sharp coral]

Wdym aow guns

[sharp coral]

They really channeled that bf3 feel tbh.

[fervent rose]

in the game collection you'll see guns labeled as "vault" guns, those are from the Portal section of the game

old guns from bc2, bfv, and bf3

[sharp coral]

Yeah

Ik

[fervent rose]

Dice LA made them, not Sweden

[mental delta]

What ?

[fervent rose]

the base game guns have way better audio, animation, etc

[sharp coral]

Dice la made the aow guns, the vault guns, or the old guns?

Or the sights

[fervent rose]

all the Portal stuff

[mental delta]

Guns from the base game

[fervent rose]

AoW is Dice Sweden

[still vault]

I like the AOW weapons more

[sharp coral]

What is AoW

[still vault]

nothing else 🙂

[sharp coral]

When I see the term aow I think of Ashes of War from Elden Ring.

[fervent rose]

their name for the base 2042 battlefield stuff, conquest, breakthrough, rush, etc

[mental delta]

Performances, animations, sound are better, but I prefer normal weapons design

[fervent rose]

oh, sorry, it's "all out warfare"

[sharp coral]

What does AoW stand for though?

[fervent rose]

goofy new phrase they invented

[last swift]

AOW/Portal/Hazard Zone

[sharp coral]

Ah ok

[still vault]

All out War(fare)

[sharp coral]

I'll stick to my ER terminology lol

[fervent rose]

they wanted to make sure people knew Portal was separate so they came up with that moniker

[sharp coral]

So what did dice la make that's in 2042? The vault guns, old guns, or the sights?

[fervent rose]

All that, they did the portal maps too I think

[mental delta]

Vault weapons sights dots are horrible

[fervent rose]

and vehicles

Ye their sights are just downgrades compared to 2042

[mental delta]

All the Portal stuff I think

[sharp coral]

That might be on purpose

[last swift]

Me waiting for BF1 weapons

[sharp coral]

Make the sights look and feel like the ones from bf3

[fervent rose]

idk it never made playing Portal enjoyable

[sharp coral]

Play bf1

[fervent rose]

they feel like bad versions of whatever game its from

like the bfv stuff feels way worse than bfv

[last swift]

Haha funny 😆

[sharp coral]

BF1 2nd best BF game

[mental delta]

I think when they ported thos guns to AOW they just didn't give a fuck and didn't even take time to fix it

[sharp coral]

That sucks

[mental delta]

What's first ?

[plucky chasm]

Idk man

[sharp coral]

BF4

[mental delta]

Ha I see

[plucky chasm]

They might be cod fans

[sharp coral]

Imho

[plucky chasm]

Why don't we have them

[sharp coral]

My list is

[fervent rose]

Yeah I'm not "happy" with the 1 map per season but the current state of bfv/bf1 isnt very enjoyable on pc

so i play 2042 begrudgingly

[plucky chasm]

Yea I'm sftaid their gonna move on like bf and just leave it in the dust

[sharp coral]

BF4, BF1, BF3, BFV, BFBC2, BF2042.

[acoustic seal]

i play bf1 and farm the kids who have been playing nonstop for 8 years and still not gotten any better

[plucky chasm]

Map packs were the best thing cus a lot of these game nowadays can't do live service and in one year we had more maps with map packs somehow

Yea more maps and free would be nice sadly they want us to get the battle pass with no content

[mental delta]

Lol yeah they should at least give 1 map at season's launch and another one mid-season

[fervent rose]

I find bf1 in particular really boring and slow. bfv turned into an absolute hackfest on the tactical conquest servers sadly so that game died

[sharp coral]

I play on console so

[plucky chasm]

Remember bad company 2 VIP pass get all maps for free and you get Vietnam dlc for like 20 bucks I miss those days

[mossy badge]

[sharp coral]

I only have to deal with the rare chronus nerds with wall scans and aimbots.

[plucky chasm]

We need 5 maps per season no excuse

[sharp coral]

Or some mfer finger banging his router rofl.

[wise zodiac]

I miss Vietnam on PC in general.

Base Vietnam.

[mental delta]

I don't see this game getting more than 15 maps when they'll stop development, 15 is a maximum

[plucky chasm]

I might be in minority but I prefer map packs

[wise zodiac]

Using the Chinook to air drop vehicles on people. 🤣🤣

[plucky chasm]

Over live service games cus live service always fails

[sharp coral]

What do you guys think will be the next BF game?

[mental delta]

Yeah definitely more maps and more interesting ones

[sharp coral]

I'm hoping they make BF5, the intended and proper sequel to BF4 that was originally planned.

[plucky chasm]

Ohh the original one I never played that

I'm not that old lol

[fervent rose]

that would be mad confusing. they would have to call it bf6 lol

[plucky chasm]

Bad company 3 hopefully

[acoustic seal]

small modes are great in bf1, frontlines is a best of all time gamemode

[plucky chasm]

With full on destruction

[sharp coral]

No they wouldn't. They could just call it BF5 since that name isn't taken yet.

[fervent rose]

bfv is bf5

[sharp coral]

Nope

The V stands for victory

Dice just gave up correcting people who wanted to feel smart

[plucky chasm]

Yea we just need constant maps and guns tbh more people would buy the game again

[fervent rose]

do you want people to be confused as fuck

[hybrid totem]

yes

[plucky chasm]

I think a sequel to 2142 or whatever and bad company 3 what else can they do

[hybrid totem]

bf space

[mental delta]

The next game is rumored to be a complete reboot of the franchise, probably named Battlefield 6 or even just Battlefield and probably features modern settings and a campaign to create a whole new lore

[plucky chasm]

This game is severely missing destruction and I miss blowing up bulidings killing campers etc

They could call it battlefield evolved

[fervent rose]

nah thats a weird name

makes me think of Halo lol

[mental delta]

Yeah but forget it for this game it's already over, after more than 1 year we hot like 3 additional maps, at maximum the game will probably get a total of 15 maps (launch ones and additional ones) but not more

[plucky chasm]

True lol and they can't call it battlefield 1

[hybrid totem]

call it Battlefield I

[fervent rose]

I hope it is just Battlefield

[plucky chasm]

That's really low I hope they don't drop it people already mega piss they drop support of v and we lost battlefront 2 support for this game smh

[fervent rose]

and it isnt filled with stupid weird ideas

[mental delta]

Yeah a complete new Battlefield which completely remakes the franchise

[fervent rose]

make the performance + eye candy good with 64 players

high end destruction with sick physics

fuck 128

[mental delta]

Ok that part looks unrealistic af lol be serious

[plucky chasm]

Let us destroy the whole map yea we can demolish entire towns and cities

[ancient peak]

No

[wise zodiac]

I played every Battlefield game at launch, with the exception of 2142 because I didn't have a PC that could play it.

[fervent rose]

I just mean baffling ideas like making a map like Hourglass or launch Breakaway. Or 128 in general @mental delta

[plucky chasm]

Damnn that's old school bro I wish I was there in the 1942 days and battlefield 2

[mental delta]

I think they will, idk what there plans are for post season 5 content but I don't think they want to support it any longer

[plucky chasm]

Why not

[ancient peak]

Because then you have a flat ass map with no cover.

[plucky chasm]

Maybe season 5 was a thing cus of the out cry but during season 5 we get next game reveal?

[mental delta]

Yeah I mean I don't see the next game not being constituted exclusively of stupid dumb ideas, it will be exclusively constructed that way

[plucky chasm]

Which is perfect bad company 2 showed how destruction should be on battlefield

It's meant to look like a war

[fervent rose]

almost certainly, I'm just dreaming

[plucky chasm]

I think dice learnt from this game if they haven't got help us all

[fervent rose]

like they probably Tarkov the fuck out of the movement and gunplay

"immersion"

[mental delta]

They could increase player count to 80 so it gives the impression base player count for normal modes increased but yeah, would be dumb to go back to 128 considering how bad they handled it

[acoustic seal]

that's what people said about bfv, and bf1 before that, and launch day bf4 before that

[plucky chasm]

Well tbh the bf1 and BF4 teams arnt the same people working at dice rn and BF4 got fixed way quicker then 2042 more content etc

Idk why they did 128 they trying to be the next PlanetSide or something

[mental delta]

Btw you can almost be sure they'll try to make a dumb different mode again, like firestorm and hazard zone and guess what, people will hate it

[acoustic seal]

it's funny you bring it up, all the problems that made planetside dead and irrelevant are the same things that make this game dead and irrelevant

[plucky chasm]

I get what you mean tho I don't think dice has released game not broken at launch

Can't think of one

[solar obsidian]

128 players been a overall upgrade for conquest without a doubt,

they just completely botched to build a proper breakthrough maps for them

[plucky chasm]

Yea 2042 reminds me of ps2 a lot safly

[acoustic seal]

no playercount controls, dogshit maps (continents), technical bugs that get ignored for years...

[plucky chasm]

Sadly

[plucky chasm]

128 is too chaotic I think

[fervent rose]

instead of focusing on a mode that is amazing, like Frontlines

[plucky chasm]

Plus PlanetSide 2 got a graphics downgrade

[fervent rose]

they came up with Frontlines and said, lets do bad stuff instead

[mental delta]

128 players is interesting but let's be real they can't handle it so they should rather lower the player count again

[fervent rose]

they can't handle it, most pc's cant handle it, etc

[plucky chasm]

This new dice team of interns need to make a more simple game

[solar obsidian]

time to upgrade or forget high framerates,

basic amd cpu these days can run it

[mental delta]

Yeah but they desperately try to make a WarZone like mode which nobody wants because EA wants their incomes

[fervent rose]

upgrading your pc for 2042 of all games

[plucky chasm]

No specialists classes only maps with destruction so we can kill campers that's all they have to do they got the blueprint from the older games how can you fuck that up

[fervent rose]

thats just a painful idea to me

[solar obsidian]

bf been solid pc benchmarks in the past also, with bf5 being the only easy to run game, because it was build around the most ancient cpus running on consoles

[plucky chasm]

That is a horrible idea tbh it's not worth it

[mental delta]

Yeah to me the fact they have to get rid off specialists is one of the most important thing, it's playable but I still regret this game has those

[sharp coral]

People are dumb anyways

[sharp coral]

Better name it BF5 tbh

[plucky chasm]

They had to backtrack on specialist cus of the backlash so they better learn and not listen to EA only reason we got them was for micros ffs

[solar obsidian]

also remember to vote your opinion with the wallet, its simply the only thing that matter

[mental delta]

It would make more sense I agree but they wouldn't

[plucky chasm]

2042 I only played on game pass I'm shocked people fell for the hype

[mental delta]

BFV should have been named BF2 anyway

[fervent rose]

everyone called bfv "battlefield five" when speaking about it, bf5 makes no sense at all

nobody called it battlefield victory or battlefield roman numeral V

[plucky chasm]

Bf4s sequel is 2042 no? So how they can call it bf5

[solar obsidian]

yes

but bf5 would have been a terrible title for 2042

[plucky chasm]

Ok I thought so what can they do then

[solar obsidian]

bfv was 5

but of course, they can do as they like,

[plucky chasm]

They've put themselves in a horrible position

[solar obsidian]

we seen the wiiU became a thing

[mental delta]

The main problem I have with specialists is that they seemingly made them just so it was easier to make dumb skins everyone would buy, it kills immersion to have those types of cosmetics and I keep thinking that without specialists, customization in this game wouldn't be that bad

[plucky chasm]

Maybe bf Vietnam remake cus I never played that

[fervent rose]

also bf2 would have been a terrible title for bfv. its not really a sequel to bf1

[solar obsidian]

they also tried to do this in bf5 with hero skins

[plucky chasm]

Yea plus everyone looks the same so your telling me factions from two different factions would wear the EXACT same uniforms!!?? Omg

Countries*

[fervent rose]

if there was a set of specialists on each faction it would be less dumb

but 2042 was a rush job

[mental delta]

Yeah and I never got why, I mean basic customization in this game was almost perfect and the game was still immersive enough with customized characters, idk why they implemented those heroes

[plucky chasm]

Yea that would make sense actually and if each country had unique looking people

That would be fine

[fervent rose]

give me Russian Mackay

so i dont have to hear his voicelines 50% of the time

[mental delta]

This shit is so stupid, they should just make different cosmetics depending on which team you're in and keeps the confusion away

[solar obsidian]

players already giving ea a reason to expand on the hero skins, they where successful enough

[plucky chasm]

What happens to BF4 community fix it team didn't they have community test bugs and report back a select few why did they get rid of that!!

[solar obsidian]

whatever small minority in here that screams skins are bad, just dont do anything

[plucky chasm]

The community test thing

[solar obsidian]

vote with the wallet

[mental delta]

I'll be nasty to say that, but I don't understand why the fuck would people buy those type of cosmetics

[solar obsidian]

players pay for burning skins in both bf5 and 2042

[ancient peak]

Then you shouldn’t be bothered by them existing to begin with right?

[solar obsidian]

skins are just the hottest thing right now,

[plucky chasm]

Yea exactly that's what a smart person would do but this is EA we talking about the same people who made Darth Vader 50 fucking bucks on battlefront

[mental delta]

Exactly the type of shit I hate, like who the cuk think it's good-looking to add that type of thing

[solar obsidian]

remember bf1 lootboxes and all those skins?

[plucky chasm]

Before they fixed the time to get him

[solar obsidian]

that was just the hype of the time

[mental delta]

Huh what ?

[sharp coral]

The issue was the youtubers calling it 5 to feel smart and the dice pr guys not willing to argue with the fanbase to call them dumb and correct them. But I agree.

[plucky chasm]

Tbh I have never paid for a skin in any game ever

I hate this trend

[plucky chasm]

Idk some people like looking different it gives em dopamine and they feel superior to their friends

[mental delta]

Lmao yeah I remember hearing that at launch you needed to play at least 50 hours just to unlock this dark fucker

[plucky chasm]

Yea it was so bad at launch I can't believe I bought it I think that was the last dice game I got before 2042 on gamepass my trust was lost

[mental delta]

Yeah and seeing the launch this game had there was nothing to argue on lol

[fervent rose]

burning skins are pay to lose clown skins, they can exist but i dont have to like them

[plucky chasm]

Yea you should ingame like years ago now you grab your wallet out so boring

Get it ingame

[mental delta]

Lmao while if you want to be different from other people and to be noticed you just have to get a good k/d and be best player in your server

[plucky chasm]

Yea or complete lots of achievement like in old days give us the rewards back fortnite ruined gaming

[solar obsidian]

fortnite did not even remotely start this

[ancient peak]

Paid Cosmetics were a thing long before Fortnite and will exist long after

[plucky chasm]

What game did then cus I don't remember this live service shit being popular b4 them

[ancient peak]

Either pay for it or don’t

[narrow saddle]

id say what started it was cod bo2 skins

if we wanna really look at what started it

[fervent rose]

it's Valve

they started it

[solar obsidian]

tf2 pushed it hard for sure

[fervent rose]

Valve also created the battlepass sytem

[plucky chasm]

That's true I never pay for it I just don't like the system clearly the common person wouldn't think and just pay for skins

[narrow saddle]

its cumsumers thats the issue

[fervent rose]

everybody copied them again

[mental delta]

Cosmetics aren't a bad thing in BF games but they should get more immersive

[plucky chasm]

You got those whales who pay hundreds in skins it's bananas

[hybrid totem]

so spend more money than they do

[ancient peak]

And? That’s their problem

[plucky chasm]

Oh yea I forgot tf2 and counter strike had those

[solar obsidian]

look at games like need for speed world

[plucky chasm]

Their the reason live service got popular

[solar obsidian]

early ultimate team games

[next onyx]

It's a shame that we won't get anything like that again.

[fervent rose]

Dota 2 as well, that game was built on MTX

[plucky chasm]

Whatever makes the most money they do

[next onyx]

I had always thought they were harmless.

[plucky chasm]

It's a business at the end of the day

[hybrid totem]

right so spend 500 on a day one launch

[narrow saddle]

you right i just need to spend more money

[plucky chasm]

Ohh yep o remember when that was getting popular I spose it's a chain of games we just gotta wait for the trend to die out and hopefully map packs return. Tbh map packs were pre cheap

[narrow saddle]

map packs over games as service

[plucky chasm]

Yea cus we least we get quality content

[narrow saddle]

yup and not trickle fed content like a baby bird

[plucky chasm]

There is the argument live service can work it can but so many companies can't do it for some reason rn

[narrow saddle]

but hey what do we know we only play the games

live service works when the company has passion and a good playerbase

[plucky chasm]

Yesss plus they can make map packs "free" after a few months too if they want too

[sharp coral]

Well they just didn't want to argue with the bfv fanbase because of the games bad launch.

[solar obsidian]

live service is a low cost high risk cost of a game,

if they have the initial success and skins are selling like hot cakes, they can start to expand the game

if not, they roll over to there next project

[plucky chasm]

So your saying it's our fault cus we don't spend on skins

Idk man

[fervent rose]

it also really needs to be a free to play game if they want all that skin money

[plucky chasm]

If it's a free game sure

Idm

A paid game is different

Yea

[fervent rose]

the full title paywall keeps so many skin payers away from 2042

[mental delta]

Yeah

[solar obsidian]

we also have to remember with all these talks about fortnite, dota 2, they are free games

2042 was a 60 euro access at launch

[narrow saddle]

yup

[plucky chasm]

I haven't seen one good live service game in my lifetime atm

[solar obsidian]

fortnite lol

[fervent rose]

Valve has 2 good ones, Epic kills it with Fortnite

[narrow saddle]

atm i couldnt think of one either keep it a buck but they can work its just again you have to have the perfect team and game

[plucky chasm]

Yea that too plus we gotta remember games like halo infinite tried the same shit and it's failing

[solar obsidian]

fortnite, warframe, dota, counter strike, path of exile,

tf2

gta online

[fervent rose]

even league arguably (and i hate league)

[plucky chasm]

Umm idk fortnite was but it took a while

[solar obsidian]

league of legends of course

[plucky chasm]

Warframe sure that's a good game

[solar obsidian]

SO many had massive success with them

[fervent rose]

infinite did like everything wrong though

[solar obsidian]

i honestly truly dislike the monetisation,

reason i dont play it,

but very successful anyways

[grim knot]

Guys when the battle pass ending?

[fervent rose]

game doesnt work on launch, no team slayer, bad maps, and basically no content releases

halo infinite was wack

[narrow saddle]

halo infinite failed bc they over promised and literally dug a hole they couldnt dig themselves out of im sorry that game lost me the entire game itself was fun but just zero content then they cancel splitscreen campaign yet youre able to glitch into it like you wanna talk drop the ball that game fuckin spiked it into the ground

[plucky chasm]

Yea it Def's comes down to passion Devs are in it for the money now a days plus with patches it's a curse and blessing they can get lazy and patch shit 2 years after its pathetic

[wide shore]

2 weeks-ish

[narrow saddle]

yup you right

[hybrid totem]

nowadays? AAA Devs have always been in it for the money

[sharp coral]

The community as a whole would have a stroke if DICE called them dumb for saying bfv is bf5 because "muh Roman numerals", despite them actually clarifying the v not being a 5 multiple times.

[narrow saddle]

halo mcc is a decent but its just dead

[solar obsidian]

they always had

[grim knot]

date? do you know

[hybrid totem]

Some indie devs are in it for a work of passion

[ancient peak]

28th

[wide shore]

The main menu has a countdown clock on it

[fervent rose]

theres a countdown in game now

[plucky chasm]

That's true infinite had a good foundation just 6 month season was so bad plus what were the workers doing they clock in spin their chair for 8 hours then go home don't think I've seen a more incompetent development team in my life

[narrow saddle]

the fact theres more 5$ games on steam that get more love than AAA games

[grim knot]

where i cant see

[fervent rose]

main menu, top left

kinda hard to miss

[timid inlet]

Maaaaan, FUK AAA titles. All my homies hate AAA

[plucky chasm]

True and split screen literally being half don't and they cancel it what a shame

Speaking of indie I can't wait for sons of forest

Now that game has passion

[solar obsidian]

lots of aaa are fine

[plucky chasm]

Season 4 better deliver squad management

[wide shore]

I doubt it

[narrow saddle]

it blew my mind i loved that game for the first season hopping in btb was amazing then just after idk the first 15 games and the same 4 maps over and over it got old then season 2 was shown and it literally had nothing and after that literal spit in my face ill never touch that game ik the forge mode is great apparently but they've lost me completely

[plucky chasm]

They did tease it

[solar obsidian]

game launching with so little maps and modes, while also lacking forge was the biggest mistake

[fervent rose]

imagine, actually being able to squad hop out of the camping snipers squad and pick players that arent immobile

a dream

[narrow saddle]

THEY NEED TO JUST TAKE A LONG LOOK AT BF4 AND DO IT AGAIN IF IT AINT BROKE DONT FIX IT

[mental delta]

Dice already got enough problems with it's own community