battlefield-2042

[arctic grove]

I use Semtex in tdm/core and frags in ground war

[mossy badge]

Best part is when stuck pops up in screen

[arctic grove]

The “stuck!” notification is so dopamine inducing

Unless it happens to you

whats the best smg that is not pp29?

PBX I suppose

which one is better though

Like between the PBX and PP()29 which one is better?

ye

I’m not sure, that’s probably up to stat stuff like damage drop off and what not

If you ask me personally I’d say the PP cause ammo capacity

[arctic grove]

pp bizon stands for:

Pistol Machine gun Bison

or

Pistolet Pulemet Bizon

That’s interesting, I didn’t know that

[arctic grove]

ok well, i’m gonna unlock it in 4 levels

[arctic grove]

ye, it’s a russian gun too

Oh ye I know country of origin but not the full bame

and the pp bizon is think is pp19

Name*

there is also pp vistyak

viytak

vityak

there

bf2042 is pp29, current is pp19 and another model is pp vityak

You mean vityaz

[warm stirrup]

64v64 eod bots only when dice?

[arctic grove]

When they fix eod bots

Jank ass piece of gadget

[warm stirrup]

Fun to piss people off with tho

[arctic grove]

ye

[spiral folio]

I dont bother shooting em. Just lis rocket

[warm stirrup]

Takes 2 c5 to destroy eod bot

[spiral folio]

Its another too much hp and agility
Pick one

[warm stirrup]

Look for an ammo crate
Lay down
Unlimited eod bots

[arctic grove]

UCAV camp

[arctic grove]

Except it's visible half the time

The other half it spends under the ground

Cuz it keeps clipping

[spiral folio]

Feature

[arctic grove]

Mmhm

[spiral folio]

I havent seen em too much i just saw a few once and i just started rocketing em

[warm stirrup]

300hp too much for eod bot?

[spiral folio]

They're fast, small, and durable. Id say pick one of the three

[arctic grove]

Dude look @limpid pond

https://twitter.com/temporyal/status/1623305651370827776?s=46&t=Jw_DUUIj7ax7Fc6pmKQDUQ

[chilly jacinth]

doesnt help that the eod bots hitbox is jank

and that it sinks into the ground randomly

[warm stirrup]

Is the eod bot op tho?

[chilly jacinth]

dunno

i dont think so

[spiral folio]

Not a hitbox problem its just tiny af

[warm stirrup]

Broken, yes, but op?

[spiral folio]

Powerful is less than
Overpowered which is less than
Broken which is game breaking

[low timber]

It can roadkill

It can kill with the torch

[spiral folio]

If something is broken it means its so overpowered it breaks the game

[warm stirrup]

Buggy then

[spiral folio]

Yea it seems to be bugged and overpowered

I don't think its wildly overpowered but it's probably too strong for what it is

[warm stirrup]

Plus considering you only get 10xp for destroying it and it can go on killstreaks

Was it this powerful in previous games?

[solid imp]

Same case for the EBLC-RAM

EOD was way easier to shoot in previous games

Thing moves around like a casper drone and sometimes clips through the ground

If that gets sorted out I'd think it's in a pretty good spot

[warm stirrup]

Crazy they even nerfed the health from 400 to 300 too

[spiral folio]

Yea like aside from ground clipping, the speed and durability i saved some guy with two going after him They're a little too fast i think

I tried shooting em but all i had was the rail and p125

[warm stirrup]

Bruh it takes two c5 to destroy 1 eod bot

[arctic grove]

That's not normal

It takes 2 c5 to destroy a fucken bolte

[spiral folio]

Yea i killed em with a near miss with a lis

[warm stirrup]

Eod bots are like mini tanks

[arctic grove]

Gta online reference

gta 4 multiplayer better

It really isn't

[spiral folio]

Real eod bots are expendable bots not indestructible

[arctic grove]

it is you donut

In what way

first

lack of toxicity

Just because you had a good time with it like 15 years ago

Doesn't mean it's better

and abusive in game content

[arctic grove]

Cuz no one plays it

micro transactions

and over complicated content

wearing the game down

So the problem of gtao is

Too much content?

and lack of missing modes from GTA 4 and episodes

like cops and crook

witness protection

Anyways the mods are here

mafiya work

[next onyx]

Gta 5 online is exploitive as all hell.

[warm stirrup]

Want to have fun? Shark cards

[arctic grove]

and

your character has voices

GTA online doesn't

[warm stirrup]

Low on money in gta online? Shark cards

[slow tulip]

https://youtube.com/shorts/IncodJuDaQE?feature=share

[arctic grove]

poor? just remove currency system

ez

[arctic grove]

Or like 10 types of money grinding ways

"Gta online is bad cuz I don't know how to make money"

[spiral folio]

Nah its got plenty of other reasons its bad

[solar obsidian]

gta online is bad, simply for that reason you can pay for all the currency in the world

[arctic grove]

I mean yea it's not great

[solar obsidian]

its pay to win by design

[arctic grove]

and GTA 4 is not

you just play

[solar obsidian]

not 4

5

[warm stirrup]

Gta online is pay to win

[arctic grove]

it's that simple

[solar obsidian]

just like rdr 2 is

[arctic grove]

Only if ur rich asf cuz shark cards are hella overpriced

why can't multiplayer be this dead ass simple

[arctic grove]

rdr 1 multiplayer still better

[spiral folio]

I was gonna say its physics are ass but this works too

[solar obsidian]

i dont pay for stuff like that so my gaming spending can be used on actually games and hardware

[arctic grove]

Why would anyone pay for shark cards

rdr 1 had way more personality than 2

They're just generally not worth it

And it's easier to make money in game

YOURSELF

[spiral folio]

There's people who buy those runescape bonds en masse so they can get a party hat

Maybe not pay to win but they certainly get ahead

[warm stirrup]

Why play a game that's pay to win?

[solar obsidian]

the difference is if its provided by the game to pay real money or not,

[arctic grove]

mental people

[solar obsidian]

remember when 15 euro dlc packs where standard

[spiral folio]

Consider like each bond costs 5 dollars
And each bond buys about 75mil gold
And a partyhat is like 10billion

[solar obsidian]

now we sitting in a game that gotten like 3-4 maps a year simply because of live service, because they dont need to monetise the content we play with

[spiral folio]

How many maps is enough

[arctic grove]

And mw2 is getting 1 year worth of content stretched out to 2 years

This is how modern gaming be

[warm stirrup]

Mw2 is actually getting year 2 content

[spiral folio]

Yea pretty much "continual development" is the norm

Kerbal space was getting updates for like 7 years

[solar obsidian]

you talking about mw2, that was a fully fleshed game, with campaign, co-op, multiplayer for 70 euro

[warm stirrup]

Sledgehammer games is handling modern warfare 2 year 2 content

[solar obsidian]

dmz and warzone is free

[spiral folio]

Minecraft is still beibg updated

[arctic grove]

and what about advanced AI bots for multiplayer

[solar obsidian]

warzone already getting a new map,

[arctic grove]

So was mw19

[warm stirrup]

99% of its content being free

[chilly jacinth]

mw2 also had like 8 studios working on it

[spiral folio]

In bf2 bots weren't great either. They just kind of attacked to a point. A few would go flanks but most would be stupid

[mossy badge]

Building 21

[arctic grove]

battlefront or field?

[solar obsidian]

fuck, i played that and forgot it was added lol

[warm stirrup]

Instant action plus mod allowed bots on more modes

[spiral folio]

Field cause why would...

[mossy badge]

It will be back

[solar obsidian]

yeye i know

[spiral folio]

The bots on 2042 are ok

You dont play solo for a challenge

[solar obsidian]

but point being that whatever the FREE package of mw2 offer, already gotten more content than bf2042 did for 60 euro up front

[arctic grove]

they NEED improvements

[arctic grove]

why'd you think I'm using VU for bf3 to play bots solo

[warm stirrup]

Funny thing is mw2 year 2 content is gonna cost $70

[reef cedar]

y

[spiral folio]

I used to like setting up scenarios of me vs 100s of bots and sneaking in to steal their vehicles

[arctic grove]

cause I want PvE

[solar obsidian]

ahh yes light ball looking into the future

even then

if its mw2 third edition

i dont mind

my issue never been paying for content

mw2 was rought the first month after release, not gonna lie

[arctic grove]

or we can wait for the game to be completed

[solar obsidian]

but they been fixing most critical bugs even before season 1 started

[warm stirrup]

Sledgehammer games is handling the year 2 content tho. Given their history....wooo boy

[arctic grove]

can we agree an actual attack jet would be cool?
like a futuristic a-10

i want that

nah

hell nah

bring back gunship instead

[solar obsidian]

criterion was one of the best racing games makers before working on 2042 and its car controls

[spiral folio]

What job would an A10 do that a chopper wont

[arctic grove]

brrrrrrrrt

[spiral folio]

Besides be faster

[arctic grove]

thats what

[solar obsidian]

imagine focusing on one thing, and spitting out hovercraft being able to climb vertical walls

[spiral folio]

They wont make it powerful

So like the gun would be basically the wildcat AA spammer

[arctic grove]

i dont care honestly i literally just want to hear BRRRRRRRT

i am a simple man

very very simple

[spiral folio]

Then play a minibird

[arctic grove]

it doesnt carry the same level of power as 30mm

[spiral folio]

A battlefield a10 wont either

See also: all high caliber weapons in the game

[arctic grove]

the bf4 a-10 scratched that itch

granted i suck with it

but it still sounded amazing

[next onyx]

A10 was kind of a good attack plane.

[arctic grove]

bring back gunship

n O w

[arctic grove]

that would require commander

and?

just use bf3 gunship system

[arctic grove]

i never got super good with it

capture this point for the ship to spawn on your side

what's the problem

[spiral folio]

Shoot people with 20 amd 50cals in this game and its like "ow ow i better get my medkit out"

[arctic grove]

disclammer i havent played bf3, just 4, V 1 2042

lmao

ok mate

Should I update to new nvidia drivers

Or will it cause the textures in 2042 fail

[arctic grove]

not sure, im using amd card

Id send a vid of how my game looks rn

(no image perms)

well

what's the last driver version

give date

Uh

Today

Right now

????

your current installed driver date

[spiral folio]

I know people WANT an A10 thatll blaze guns and bombs killing 6 enemy tanks in one pass, transform to robot mode and cut an enemy fighter in half with its sword mid air, transform back and launch flares to evade the 100s of enemy missiles, them do it again in the next pass.

Wont happen

[arctic grove]

Dec 1. I rolled back cuz some dude said it'd help

[solar obsidian]

they never done that

[arctic grove]

They do that. Me and other players have this issue

what dlss

Maybe not you but it's an issue

I only have 1060

3060ti

[solar obsidian]

are you playing the game off a harddrive ?

[arctic grove]

i havent had an issue with amd drivers in BF specifically

[arctic grove]

what about classic games

amd drivers usually break everything XD

No it's not a hard drive issue. But no, I'm on ssd

[solar obsidian]

no idea how you can have that issue

[arctic grove]

Like the game uses far away lod models on stuff that's 2m away

[solar obsidian]

never seen texture issues in bf2042 as a driver issue through nvidias log ever

[arctic grove]

The solution I'm gonna try is clearing directx cache

Cuz some dude on reddit it'd help with low res textures

I'll update to latest drivers too ig

[solar obsidian]

https://youtu.be/6pV93XhiC1Y dlss 3 info

[arctic grove]

I heard dlss 3 adds more input delay

I know its a trick to retain visual fidelity while improving fps

Dunno if it's a problem with nvidia reflex boost

guys, I'm not rich enough

[arctic grove]

isnt that 40 series only

Dunno

But this game needs to unlock the dlss version

Cuz it's in the easy anticheat rn

And we can't update it manually

[solar obsidian]

its like 10-15ms, its less than one frame at 60fps

[arctic grove]

And at 80-110?

[solar obsidian]

properly the same 10-15 ms

[arctic grove]

That's good ig

On another note

[solar obsidian]

why im screaming for dlss 3 is simply because its also giving better performance in cpu bottlenecked games

[arctic grove]

Why the fuck does windows keep bringing up update pop ups in the upper left corner that are impossible to close or click on

Oke nvm

[solar obsidian]

remember to keep the system updated

[arctic grove]

it was some yandex music update thing

[solar obsidian]

damn

[arctic grove]

yea idk why windows is asking me to update it and not yandex

Oh damn 10 extra frames in the lobby suddenly

[wild garnet]

Hat jemand bock?

[warm stirrup]

Scrooblek?

[dapper night]

Gonna ask did DICE mention any tick rate on this game?

[next onyx]

45hz..

[dapper night]

Wait fr?!?

[next onyx]

Yeah I swear florian said it.

[dapper night]

I was expecting a 128 tick rate or 64

[fiery shoal]

you want pro or small scale tick rate for a 128 player game?

thats a lofty ask

hell i dont even think a lot of comp games have more than 64 tick rate servers either...

[dapper night]

Only few like faceit csgo runs in 128 tick rate iirc and valorant also. As for Battlefield honestly gonna expect 64 tick rate cuz in BF4 community servers run in 64 tick rate

[fervent rose]

you can see it in game with the fps counter too

its labeled slightly differently but its there

[fiery shoal]

yea.. all previous bf titles didnt have 128 players.. thats a lot of information to process

[arctic grove]

bf4 is about to have one

[dapper night]

Wait what?!?

[arctic grove]

bro

check out Warsaw revamped

[fervent rose]

needing to downgrade server hz for 128 was such a clear cut example of why 128 was a bad idea

[solar obsidian]

128 players on those maps sounds terrible

[arctic grove]

isn't that how WW works

[solar obsidian]

WW?

[frail sparrow]

Wonder woman

[dapper night]

Aight

[arctic grove]

check out world war

surreal 128 soldiers

[fiery shoal]

i mean... 60hz to 45hz is not a problem at all for a game like bf...

[arctic grove]

80% of 2042 gamemodes are 64p now tho

[fiery shoal]

even if thats true (doubt), what does that have to do with anything?

they arent gonna program two netcodes for the different game modes...

[solar obsidian]

that we actually have surprisingly many 64 or less player modes

[fiery shoal]

irrelevant to the topic..

[solar obsidian]

not for 45hz?

[fervent rose]

bfv netcode was much better, the hitreg graph pisses me off in 2042

[solar obsidian]

reason for lowering the bar to 45hz was 128 players

[fiery shoal]

yes.. which 2042 has, so thats the netcode...

what are you suggesting they do?

[arctic grove]

two types of tickrates!!!!!!

[solar obsidian]

bf4 could have different tickrate based on the server

[arctic grove]

(baffling)

[fervent rose]

the main point of the feedback is to not make the same mistake next time

upgrade the hz, not the player count

[solar obsidian]

you could even filter what tickrates you wanted to find servers with

[fervent rose]

128 was so dumb

[fiery shoal]

you think they would code for two tick rates in a casual sandbox game? you guys have... brutal expectations

[dapper night]

BFV netcode was really good in my experience

[solar obsidian]

i would not expect them to lower the bar so much in the first place

[fervent rose]

i agree. 2042's always been a downgrade in bullet hitreg

and the server graph proves it

[fiery shoal]

"so much" we lost 15hz, or 25% of normal tickrate for 128 players...

[dapper night]

Agree I had tons of hitreg issued in 2042 compared to previous bf games

[fiery shoal]

yea i dont want a downgrade either, but this isnt the game to really be concerned about that and its obvious why its 45hz...

[fervent rose]

nobody is saying it isnt obvious

they double the player count and they mess up the feel of the game

[fiery shoal]

ehhh it seems like yall dont understand

[arctic grove]

For now 1 gamemode that has 128 players

1 official gamemode

[fervent rose]

what do we not understand

[fiery shoal]

yea.. just THE main gamemode of every bf title and likely the most populated...

[fiery shoal]

a lot.. im not gonna list it all or take guesses

[fervent rose]

You're really annoying to speak to

[solar obsidian]

poor breakthrough not a main mode

poor portal

[arctic grove]

Source: I think so

128p conquest isnt the entire game

[fiery shoal]

never said it was, but conquest has always been the main game mode for bf titles

[fiery shoal]

i wonder why...

[arctic grove]

Hes not wrong

[fervent rose]

might be the weird vague comments and evasiveness

nobody else in this discord bothers me

everyone else is cool af

[arctic grove]

every time ur in chat I always see you arguing with someone

[fiery shoal]

or it might be that im reasonably calling out bs and you just so happen to be saying a lot of bs

[fervent rose]

what bs

[solar obsidian]

its not like we had this server browser a decade ago to filter out what tickrate we wanted to play with

[alpine vector]

Does anyone know what the “technical weapons” in 2042 are? The one for the multi kill objective this week?

[solar obsidian]

utility

[fervent rose]

If you won't answer me when I ask you what I said was wrong, you arent calling me out

you're just being annoying

[fiery shoal]

pretty sure that was because we had player hosted server?

[arctic grove]

u mean tactical weapons?

[alpine vector]

@arctic grove yes tactical

[fiery shoal]

needing to downgrade server hz for 128 was such a clear cut example of why 128 was a bad idea

these two things do not correlate

youre just trying to tie anything to why 128 sucks in your opinion

[arctic grove]

I have no idea tbh

[alpine vector]

@solar obsidian oh like shotguns?

[solar obsidian]

we had, but you also searched for the official ones at the same time

[fervent rose]

how does server performance and 128 not correlate

Please explain

[fiery shoal]

yes but the official servers all used the same tick rate...

thats the point of my comments..

[fiery shoal]

because its still good enough and understandable considering all the factors...

[fervent rose]

25% downgrade isn't worth it, not at all

[fiery shoal]

hell id argue its more than good enough considering bf is a casual sanbox shooter

[fervent rose]

When people are used to things working in bfv/bf1 and then play 2042, they feel like the game is busted

[arctic grove]

well guess what, it isnt good enough

[fervent rose]

it definitely is a stupid move

[fiery shoal]

when there are a ton of games that have a 50% tick rate reduction from previous bf titles...

[arctic grove]

as players are constantly complaining bout shit netcode

[fiery shoal]

way to pick the bigger number to try to prove a point when other games are worse in that regard

[fervent rose]

yea tons of games have trash networking performance, and?

we should be happy that bf goes that direction?

[alpine vector]

@solar obsidian @arctic grove thank you

[solar obsidian]

barely any games that focus on online play degrades there tickrate

[arctic grove]

you would be surprised how little effect it has

[chilly jacinth]

you sure about that

many decrease the tickrate/server hz

[solar obsidian]

which game have degraded them over time ?

[chilly jacinth]

over time?

no idea

[solar obsidian]

or sequel

[chilly jacinth]

but Nyphon has already gone into why and how

[fervent rose]

yea its pretty unusual to see a franchise go down in networking performance. brand new games like Apex being a BR are a different story

[chilly jacinth]

so kinda pointless to keep going on about this

[fiery shoal]

nice assumption, understanding why a tick rate reduction exists and it being good enough isnt me being happy about it.. i DID just say that i would rather not have downgrades earlier

[next onyx]

Incursions had 120 Hz servers.

Big money.

[arctic grove]

ea doesnt have that

[fiery shoal]

yea not a lot of titles increase their player count.. especially from 64 to 128 players...

[solar obsidian]

the competitive mode ?

[fiery shoal]

like... nothing is comparable..

[solar obsidian]

they tested it back in test servers in bf4

[next onyx]

5v5 comp yes.

[solar obsidian]

even was in the server filter but was never able to find one when released 😄

[fervent rose]

Yeah, I know, because 2042 is such a ridiculous change from the previous experiences

That's the whole point of my feedback. 128 was a ridiculous idea

[fiery shoal]

ridiculous? lol ok

[solar obsidian]

warzone went from 100 to 150

[fervent rose]

and taking a 25% server hz decrease for it? wildly bad decision

[fiery shoal]

you like using exaggerative words

[fiery shoal]

do you know warzones tick rate xD

[chilly jacinth]

aint it like 10 or something

[fiery shoal]

something around 15...

[fervent rose]

It's not hyperbole to say 128 was a ridiculous decision based on the maps and modes they had conceptualized at launch

[chilly jacinth]

lmao

[fiery shoal]

and its not even persistent 150 players...

people dont realize how impressive 128 persistent players are

yet so many people here talk like they developed the game..

[solar obsidian]

ahh yes

[fervent rose]

128 is technically impressive

[solar obsidian]

128 players impressive

[fervent rose]

gameplay wise it is not impressive

[solar obsidian]

meanwhile planetside 2

[chilly jacinth]

ps2 is also laggy shit

[eternal storm]

nothing is hyperbole based on conception. it is perfectly reasonable to say it's shit when it wasnt planned or executed properly.

[chilly jacinth]

absolute shite

[fiery shoal]

i always love when people bring up ps2 as some counter like it doesnt look like a ps2 game that runs like shit...

what next, battlebit?

[solar obsidian]

its more funny you focus on the player number when we are talking about tickrates, and at the same time say the degrade in tickrate dont matter, and also praise the player number as some great achievement

[fervent rose]

128 just made conquest maps worse to play

[sour steeple]

256p mag on ps3 was the sh**

[fervent rose]

i used to play bfv conquest, now im a breakthrough main in 2042

[solar obsidian]

128 player breakthrough was such a shit design they gave up fixing it

[fiery shoal]

its not funny at all... its understandable that the tick rate drops when the player count doubles... the player count is an achievement, especially with its 45hz tick rate...

[fervent rose]

yea i wouldnt be a 2042 player if 128 was the only breakthrough

[fiery shoal]

like.. how does your brain work?

[solar obsidian]

but then explain to me why we have to settle with that in 64 player matches

[fiery shoal]

(nothing i just said about the impressive player count means it was a good call or that i prefer it)

[fiery shoal]

because devs arent going to create two sets of tick rates... like i said/suggested several times already...

why? likely because its.. again.. A CASUAL SANDBOX SHOOTER WITH A GOOD ENOUGH TICK RATE ALREADY

[chilly jacinth]

aint server hz tied to several game elements

[fiery shoal]

idk how many times i have to reiterate these points...

[fiery shoal]

afaik yes, but i really dont know, i barely know html xD

[limber orbit]

just assume any fps thats got a multiplayer platform has a tickrate of .02

[fiery shoal]

actually i probably dont anymore, its been since 2009 since my last class

[fiery shoal]

no idea what .02 is.. but mp games have drastically different levels of tick rates

[limber orbit]

0.02hz

[fiery shoal]

warzone is literally around 15hz, most hover around 60hz, and in rare occasions we have 120hz, which i think 120hz is used for pro leagues

[limber orbit]

i remember when bf4 had the different tickrates

[fervent rose]

good lads

[fiery shoal]

that was because of official and rented servers

[limber orbit]

indeed

[fiery shoal]

idk a single game that provides different tick rates

[limber orbit]

good times but no more

[chilly jacinth]

i think csgo does

actually maybe not

[fiery shoal]

official? i dont think so

[chilly jacinth]

atleast not officially

[solar obsidian]

thank fuck for community servers ❤️

[fervent rose]

you can do 128 through faceit/etc right

[fiery shoal]

honestly, unless youre like a top 1% player tickrate isnt really going to be a problem unless its sub 30hz

even then people are playing warzone fine...

[ancient solstice]

anyone tryna game some 2042 na e

[solar obsidian]

i have top 1% hardware, guess i could take advantage of that

[arctic grove]

there's more to netcode than just upping the tickrate

bf4 showed us that

you couldnt tell if you were on 120 or 30hz server

or 60

and i havent really experienced bad hit reg in 2042

[chilly jacinth]

after this update ive had several instances of absolute shit hit reg

[arctic grove]

there's many issues that can cause that

you probably had packet loss

[chilly jacinth]

nope

[arctic grove]

or the servers were having issues, which has nothing to do with actual hit reg

[solar obsidian]

or he is hiding behind the bulletproof fishingnet

[chilly jacinth]

valparaiso moment

[arctic grove]

they probably run AWS servers like all other games and they lag many times a week

[chilly jacinth]

[solar obsidian]

now remember this has not been fixed in a year

on a mode without new maps

[chilly jacinth]

and it wont get fixed

[solar obsidian]

10/10 i laughed my ass off taunting a sniper

[fervent rose]

portal team must be one guy, give him a break

maybe he'll get to it in 6 months

[solar obsidian]

portal devs are also discord mods

[arctic grove]

if the tickrate were higher yall would experience more lag

not better hit reg

[ebon pilot]

maybe, but also I wish the tickrate on drones you were looking at were higher

so hard to hit when they're flying everywhere lagging up a storm

[chilly jacinth]

teleporting drones is a feature

[fiery shoal]

i wonder how many people attribute spread to hitreg/tick rate/netcode...

[arctic grove]

What a time to be alive

[dapper river]

Why are they asking for feedback on twitter but not in #948574259209437264
Do NOT listen to the opinions of twitter addicts wtf

[still vault]

In the podcast they mentioned they looked for feedback on Discord as well

[chilly jacinth]

because more people use twitter i guess

[solar obsidian]

twitter are the ones not playing

[dapper river]

but it was so low-quality that they settled for twitter, I presume

[chilly jacinth]

but people on discord got the g57 buffed

which is stupid

i hate those people

[solar obsidian]

i love those

[still vault]

Just because they don't use #948574259209437264 right now that doesn't mean they are not stalking this chat, listening to your whine and whatnot

[arctic grove]

i bet they have better things to do

[solar obsidian]

[dapper river]

they've got a bot logging everything in chat, and associating your discord username with your EA account

[solar obsidian]

i mean, my name is the exact same so go ham

[still vault]

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-conspiracy-time-tin-foil-hat-gif-20017112

[solar obsidian]

carbonic

i posted like 10k messages

im not regular

[chilly jacinth]

still a casual

[solar obsidian]

i now its random

but damn

[dapper river]

same, been here over a year and been posting regularly

[patent path]

I'm directly connected to Mr. Dice himself, I will let him know of your woe

[ebon pilot]

been here long enough that people recognize me in-game and ping me here when they find me

no regular role

[still vault]

I have zero control over the bot, and its not the amount of posts, it's the amount after the bot was enabled + the quality of the posted stuff and some other stuff minus any bad behaviour

[solar obsidian]

i wonder where on the point scale i am

[hexed mango]

my content is quality

but ig 68k isn’t enough

[dapper river]

bad behavior
I was warned once like last year, and the bot muted me on accident another time. My record is tarnished, I'm ruined

[hexed mango]

lel

[solar obsidian]

same here

[hexed mango]

[dapper river]

Oh damn, I thought I had at least 10,000 but I have 7K

[solar obsidian]

i can get 10 thousand frames

loads up game, render some black screen before menu

watch your frames go absolute wild

[dapper river]

Well, if you're running the game at 120 fps, just wait 83.3333 seconds and you've got your 10,000 frames

[solar obsidian]

run the game at 1.2 fps instead

i wonder how low the frames can be locked before the game actually fucks stuff up

[arctic grove]

can i get more fps with a 60 hertz monitor?

[dapper river]

You can't display more than 60, but you can run games at higher fps.

[arctic grove]

wdym by displaying more than 60?

like it wouldn’t affect anything?

[calm bison]

M5 Recoilless
Javelin

[arctic grove]

m5 recoilless is so annoying

[calm bison]

Still waiting for my baby

The SMAW

[arctic grove]

Pre nerf SRAW pls

[spiral folio]

Using a lis rocket to loop around for 80% of the fuel to hit somebody 40ft away

[calm bison]

We already have Lis so what’s the point

[fiery shoal]

the fps your computer generates has nothing to do with what your monitor displays (unless you use vsync, which you shouldnt)

[arctic grove]

Lis is more tv missile not wire guided

Recoilles would be fine if you could have lower magnifying sight for it

[spiral folio]

You vsync if running too many fps beyond your monitors display van handle bogs you down

[fervent rose]

if you have say 120 fps but only a 60hz display. the game will display at 60hz but feel much better in terms of input. and you wont have any issues with frame drops so your 60 will be perfectly smooth

[spiral folio]

No point running 120fps kn a 60hz monitor

[fervent rose]

not true.

[arctic grove]

Lower latency

[spiral folio]

Just burning resources that could go elsewhere

[remote kiln]

it does not have lower latency

the endpoint for processing latency is the monitor, it is higher at lower refresh rates

[calm bison]

I want the beta sight back

[remote kiln]

doesn't matter how high your framerate is in the background

[arctic grove]

It effects system latency

[remote kiln]

there is no effect on system latency, because that is not a thing lol

[arctic grove]

It is

[remote kiln]

..?

making up words doesn't mean they exist

[spiral folio]

There's not some secret benefit of running 200 frames on a slower monitor. Itll only display 60 of em in 60hz

[arctic grove]

Even nvidia performance monitor can show system latency

[fervent rose]

its not a secret, and yes there are benefits

[remote kiln]

that is not no system latency

[spiral folio]

You wont likely notice all the tearing when one half of the screen displays a different frame usually

[remote kiln]

that is the total processing time for latency

there is no thing called system latency

[spiral folio]

What benefit beyond rendering frames that wont be displayed will you get

[arctic grove]

Its not render latency

Higher fps reduced input latency everyone knows this

[spiral folio]

Its like drawing a flipbook and then throwing away half the pages. You did the work of drawing them but wont see it

[remote kiln]

ffs

[calm bison]

Have y’all seen a lapse in Warzone content lately or is it just me? I’m seeing a lot less WZ stuff on YT

[remote kiln]

it does NOT reduce input latency

you know what reduces input latency? decreasing the processing time of the buffer size

that is the REFRESH rate

[spiral folio]

If input is tied to the frames drawn instead of the telemetry of the data inputs maybe

[remote kiln]

you can't defy the laws of physics so stop trying

[arctic grove]

Nvidia can

Or else reflex wouldn't work

[deep sail]

Idk but the paik skin that is in the new bundle is badass af and I bought it

[spiral folio]

The data like hitboxes and control input isnt rendered in dependence to display. That'd be nuts

[arctic grove]

Or you are wrong

[fiery shoal]

there is though? there was a whole test with several pros about this

[spiral folio]

Server side computing is why

[remote kiln]

what

reflex is an in engine pipeline it has fuck all to do with your input

[arctic grove]

There is

It definitely lowers the latency these people are wrong

[still vault]

input latency

not render latency

[arctic grove]

It's tested and proven

[still vault]

so many latencies

[remote kiln]

you know why reflex lowers input latency? because it is a dynamic frame cap, it has nothing to do with your input whatsoever, stop making up stuff

[arctic grove]

Effects input

[fervent rose]

its a genuinely smoother picture too. its not just input

[remote kiln]

we need to make computer science mandatory in the education curriculum so gamers stop reading marketing terms and believing things which is so beyond real to be in narnia

like what you are saying is beyond the laws of physics

it's not some black magic

[fervent rose]

[still vault]

Saying Nvidia marketing is lying, thus doing something illegal now?

[remote kiln]

marketing would never lie!

they're always truthful

[still vault]

Silly us, believing measured system latency is actually measured system latency

[remote kiln]

lol Nvidia marketing graphs are always the funniest

[arctic grove]

i have a 2070 super

Though system latency isn't a thing yet both pictures say system latency

[remote kiln]

here's how you get reflex without switching it on: set your frame cap to 144

there you have reflex

[deep sail]

[spiral folio]

And?

[arctic grove]

so, how do i add the framerate increase? tbh, i get 300 fps when loading 💀

[spiral folio]

People frigin callin me in for nothing

[remote kiln]

it's kinda funny because where it does make a difference is where it doesn't matter, single player games

[deep sail]

Huh?

[remote kiln]

reflex changes the engine pipeline that inputs are received through, competitive games are already ultra optimised for it, so it makes no end difference to a user (unless they haven't capped their frames)

in which case that's what it does

single player games don't have that, so it has a substantial difference there

[arctic grove]

How does singleplayer differ from multiplayer lmao wtf are you saying

[spiral folio]

Because your machine controls the telemetry calculation

[arctic grove]

[arctic grove]

because it’s singleplayer

You run singleplayer 120fps its same latency as multiplayer 120fps

singleplayer needs no wifi

[solar obsidian]

the misinformation

[spiral folio]

When you give inputs your computer renders the game based on the inputs coming in from the server and tries to make your input match.

Occasionally in times of lag like packet loss, the server will see your inputs dont match the accepted server data and will undo your actions and rubberband you back if its not acceptable

[remote kiln]

it's not that difficult, the engine priorities are different, single player game focus on fidelity and game detail, multiplayer games care about the end experience for the user

different genres, different development priorities

[arctic grove]

So multiplayer breaks the physics

[spiral folio]

As an example
Youre lagging and popup sniping.
You press crouch sfter firing stand and shoot again.
The packet for crouch is missed and you die because you got sniped. From your perspective, you ducked in time.

From the enemy perpective you stood there and waited to get shot.

Doesnt matter if you rendered it at 500fps

[remote kiln]

.. no

[arctic grove]

And suddenly 120 fps has more latency than singleplayer

Got it

[remote kiln]

what

have you seen the processing latency of the top single player games sold?

the red engine? crytek? they're all shit for it

better yet, go see what happens when you put reflex into them

[arctic grove]

You just said it doesn't effect input

Now it does?

Confusing

[remote kiln]

no?

that's not what I said whatsoever?

[limpid pond]

@ripe hedge

Yo Thank you bro

@arctic grove

Let's go Alex added the apc9

The best gun in the world

[arctic grove]

Hopefully he adds an m9a3 as well

[still vault]

Please only ping people active in chat

[limpid pond]

My bad

[limpid pond]

I can't believe he actually added the apc9 this is gonna be great

[arctic grove]

Same hope it arrives in s4

[still vault]

I would imagine Alex is quite busy with feedback, numbers and spreadsheets by now 😄

[limpid pond]

I imagine so too I'm just happy he added the smg I asked gor

For

[solar obsidian]

add the super shotgun next

[chilly jacinth]

add the bfg 9000

oh wait we already have it

its called the g57 here

[jovial whale]

Add to what

[solar obsidian]

comparing the mighty bfg to that simple pea shooter lol

[arctic grove]

He even gave you a heart reaction

That’s pretty damn cool lol

[limpid pond]

Alex literally is the best

I'm gonna sweat my ever living ass of with the gun

I'm gonna frame it on my wall with Alex's pfp😂

[arctic grove]

Alex, if it’s something you can talk about… any chance SMGs will get a headshot buff? Or some other type of general buff? I’m not good with stats and what not so I’m not even sure if they need them. I just hear they’re in a very bad spot

So its just another high rate of fire smg

[limpid pond]

The smg hs multi def needs a buff but they should also have higher recoil so they're bot abused

[arctic grove]

It’s not just any other smg

It’s the apc9

[limpid pond]

it's the apc9 bro

[hexed mango]

hehehehha

[arctic grove]

THE apc9

[solar obsidian]

dlss 3 stealth update

[limpid pond]

Only one of the literally most versatile smgs ever made

[hexed mango]

apc9 mad sex

[arctic grove]

Meh

[limpid pond]

It's a Swiss smg that has 4 variations

[jovial whale]

im so shit man 23 kills and 11 assist in conquest

[limpid pond]

It was adopted by the US army back in 2019 due to to high regard

[hexed mango]

ur fine

[arctic grove]

It was?

[hexed mango]

at this rate just add the M18 to aow istg

[arctic grove]

I thought we were adopting something from sig sauer for smg stuff

[hexed mango]

we adopted the mcx iirc for rifle

[limpid pond]

Yep. The US army adopted it as smg of choice back in 2019

[arctic grove]

Rather get lower rpm high damage one

[jovial whale]

yeah but still

[arctic grove]

That’s cool

[arctic grove]

You’ll get better man

Just keep playing

[ripe hedge]

You hear or you feel or you know?

[limpid pond]

Yeah the US army uses it for security when transporting things

Definitely heard cause I've said it for a while

[arctic grove]

Ye I’ve heard it from dread mainly

[visual horizon]

Alex, my favourite developer

[chilly jacinth]

feel

[arctic grove]

But that’s about it for me personally as much as I know

[chilly jacinth]

cause it takes like 6 billion headshots to kill someone with an smg

[jovial whale]

need one more lvl for the scar its a very good gun right?

[chilly jacinth]

especially through vehicle windows

[limpid pond]

If smgs had a tad higher hs multi with more recoil people would still use them but they wouldn't be a dominat class over the others

[grizzled blaze]

i wonder if the M5A3 will get it's name changed now that the US has officially designated it

[arctic grove]

I think they already did

[limpid pond]

I do believe the range at which they're viable should extend to about 40m possibly 50 since alot of smg fights are from 0 to 50m

[arctic grove]

I heard it was the xm7 or something like that

[grizzled blaze]

yeah irl thats the name

it was XM5, then it turned out colt makes a carbine called the M5

so now its the M7

[chilly jacinth]

you dont even need to change the range

[grizzled blaze]

so in game it would be the M7A3

[chilly jacinth]

just a tad higher headshot multiplier

[jovial whale]

where can i use xp boosters?

[grizzled blaze]

pretty wack that 2042 actually correctly guessed it's adoption

[chilly jacinth]

so you get rewarded for accuracy

[arctic grove]

I never thought I’d like a rifle more than the AR15 but the xm7 is so damn good looking

I wonder when they’ll be on civie markets…..

[grizzled blaze]

i do find it funny that the EVOLYS is in game even though it wasnt chosen for NGSW

tho the XM250 is pretty similar looking

oh right what i was here for

https://youtu.be/ywF0gW2acAU

it'd be cool to have the miniguns get changed to match something like this

since imo i feel like militaries by 2042 would be using quieter miniguns

[fervent rose]

i just dont see how mp9 with 2x headshot is a problem, but am40 with 2.15x is not

it doesnt make sense

[grizzled blaze]

it's an M134 chambered in .338, has a thousand extra yards for range, somehow they managed to suppress it

also it has onboard power so we can get a carryable minigun for 2042????

[arctic grove]

A portable mini gun would be a good battle pickup

or heat seeking rockets for infantry

I want more assault rifles

theres never enough

[jovial whale]

[arctic grove]

I want the gunship

[merry furnace]

sseason 04👀

[reef cedar]

yeah,..

solo/ai haz zone when

[arctic grove]

ai using specialists when

[reef cedar]

getting hit by 8 tvs the second you enter a condor

[arctic grove]

I could only imagine what horrors ai Lis would make

How long do I have left to completel the seasonpass? I dont see a timer

[arctic grove]

About 3 weeks iirc

[still vault]

Should be in the menu in the top

[arctic grove]

near dead on accurate to hit your vehicle

damn thats too short for me to complete it

i hate this fomo bs

[arctic grove]

How about you just…. Buy it…..? /j

or

how about you don't care about it

I’m regretting that hiatus I took

I’m probably just barely gonna finish it like the last week or so

I will never buy any battlepasses again

2042 was my first

It’s best not to tbh

I haven’t bought MW2s battlepass despite how tempting it is

how about you only buy the game

nothing else for that game

Just cause it instantly will go from just being something you passively progress through to fuck I need to actually play the game otherwise my money was poorly spent

[vocal zenith]

damm hogwarts is massive

[arctic grove]

This is the reason I cant complete

[arctic grove]

Ye I know, just talking about my experience and thoughts I had since I have 2042s y1 pass

[vocal zenith]

i turned off my minimap for maximum immersion and legit how do ppl seriously get around this castle its confusing af lol

[arctic grove]

those that played previous games or a huge fan of the castle

[arctic grove]

I thought about disabling the minimap but I would miss all the sidequests

[vocal zenith]

yea perosnally its part of the fun u know

if i have a minimap im like inclined to always stare at it and not at the beautiful architecture in front of me

all the years of bf games made me always look at my minimap lol

[arctic grove]

I always do.

gotta be on the lookout for enemies that flanks

[vocal zenith]

yea its very hard not to avoid looking at the minimap

its like the natural thing to do lol

[arctic grove]

well not everyone

this bloke ran in front of my claymore after killing me

smh

[vocal zenith]

some ppl are just blind

how do u miss 2 bright lasers lol

[arctic grove]

or just sprinting with high ass fov 24/7

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vocal zenith]

like if it was bf4 claymores with the wires i understand but its lasers man

[arctic grove]

this is bf4 I'm talking about

[vocal zenith]

lol

there is a reason ppl hated claymore on 4

[arctic grove]

okay...

I hate servers that game gadgets

guns

[jovial whale]

holy the scar is good

[still vault]

*SFAR

completely different thing 😄

[jovial whale]

in my eyes its a scar xd

[crude saddle]

we just had a rush game that didnt end when the attackers ran out of tickets

it would have gone forever lol

could be an insane glitch but maybe a cheater

[remote kiln]

[arctic grove]

take the survey

[fresh grail]

nah

[jovial whale]

how is the aks74u?

[reef cedar]

iirc it has pretty low recoil, i like it

[white geyser]

You hardly see claymores in BF4 and you get killed not knowing where it is

[edgy oriole]

oh shiii

they adding clans back probably

[fresh lintel]

Then 2042 comes along and its like "Oh you saw my lasers? BANG."

[jovial whale]

bro destruction is extremly important

[remote kiln]

not over those other options

[edgy oriole]

and also we dont know their definition of "destruction"

[jovial whale]

it is hhahah

[arctic grove]

Interesting

Menus and interface similar to 4/1/V would be nice I suppose

[acoustic seal]

saw a post saying this game had a "bright future" based on the quality of the skins alone

can you imagine if they put as much effort into making the game functional as they do with the cash shop skins?

[arctic grove]

Yes I can

In fact, that’s what we saw during most of the games first year

[acoustic seal]

still waiting on mouse input and map layouts that aren't hot garbage

like, basic functionality

[arctic grove]

Well yeah. But it’s not like the work done itself also isn’t good

I’m also going to infer again that there’s two separate groups of people for both skins and netcode for instance

There’s a new skin bundle every week and an update every month, so the pace at which both are working also isn’t staggeringly different

[pine roost]

survey time babyyy

[acoustic seal]

idk, i still feel like this should be sorted for $60 + battle passes + cash shop items + tip

[remote kiln]

bad take

[acoustic seal]

destruction is important to people who don't really care about having a playable shooter, which is a lot of them apparently

[arctic grove]

Well, theoretically they could have delayed the game for a year and that might have prevented some problems. But who knows tbh

Some things they got purely from player feedback so it becomes a gigantic theorizing thing

Gotta get that Christmas money tho

[edgy oriole]

they need to get the community back into the game tbh

[arctic grove]

Destruction has always been a selling point of Battlefield though

[edgy oriole]

platoons, server browser, custom games in portal even with the simple addition of BT which they havent added for some reason

[arctic grove]

While I agree that it’s been done too much in the past sometimes, it’s still important for battlefield

Although I don’t believe we need 100% destructible environments or some shit like that

Destructible cover is just painful

[edgy oriole]

they should just add that desert map from bad company where you could level everything and you have an empty map at the end

[quiet shell]

I never receive these because DICE fears my opinions

[acoustic seal]

that's what hourglass is now

[edgy oriole]

literally how

[acoustic seal]

empty desert map

[arctic grove]

I would suspect by ui they’re referring to remaking it for an aow server browser…

[edgy oriole]

have you figured out how to blow up the worthless bridge and towers they have?

[chilly jacinth]

no one goes there

so it doesn't matter

[edgy oriole]

its literally the last 2 sectors what do you mean

half the game is there

[chilly jacinth]

well sure on breakthrough

but i dont play that shit

[edgy oriole]

even ssaying you only play cq. you just said nobody goes there so it doesnt matter

that means it matters

bc nobody goes there

[remote kiln]

[timid inlet]

Yo mamas a fart, reporting for dooty

[chilly jacinth]

dead and irrelevant play space doesn't matter

[edgy oriole]

so get rid of it.

which is my point

[chilly jacinth]

it basically doesn't exist anyways

since nothing happens there

[acoustic seal]

you could wipe out 70% of the playable area on these maps and it would be an improvement

[solar widget]

What’s up with the controller settings for this game like I play bf4 and can be top of the leaderboard but when I play 2042 I can’t hit shit

[chilly jacinth]

it's a skill issue

[edgy oriole]

go back to your 20 year old game old man

[solar widget]

I’m not even 19 Lmaoo

[chilly jacinth]

basically newborn

[arctic grove]

Well

Movement and gunplay are different

[chilly jacinth]

[pine roost]

destruction is something that I personally find it's nice to have a bit of, but not too much.

What would the point be in designing good maps when everything that could make it good can get stripped away

[acoustic seal]

2042 has input issues everywhere, don't take it too seriously

[arctic grove]

Hell

[solar widget]

Does it really

[pine roost]

Like, destroying small ish sections of walls while maintaining some level of cover is a good balance. Bringing the whole thing down is a bit much

[arctic grove]

Even on console we’ve finally received the input hammer

Some interesting anomalies happened when I played

Nowhere as bad, but I felt it

[chilly jacinth]

has been fine on mnk for me

[solar widget]

It just feels clunky when I play regardless of the sensetivity

[solar widget]

Cause your on MnK Lmaoo no offense

[chilly jacinth]

2042 has been shit with mnk for a long time

[solar widget]

If I could run 2042 on pc I would choose it over console tbh

[arctic grove]

It’s alright on console, just felt it a tiny bit

[chilly jacinth]

it only got good like 2 months ago

[solar widget]

Rly and yet people where still dropping 100 kills a game

[pine roost]

I feel like the updates surrounding 3.0 have made the greatest improvements to mouse input

[chilly jacinth]

60fps is a pain in this game

[solar widget]

ye it is

[edgy oriole]

laughs in 169 fps

[pine roost]

that one where they fixed high Hz polling rates, followed by even more fixes, then the recoil fix and now it actually feels somewhat responsive

the oddities come when the game stutters, then it loses some mouse tracking which is very annoying

[solar widget]

that’s why I wish I could play MnK and not console tbh

[chilly jacinth]

you should wish for 120fps instead

cause then your inputs would feel way better

[solar widget]

I’m on old gen console too Lmaoo so that’s prob a big issue as well

[chilly jacinth]

oof

[edgy oriole]

thats literally the issue you having

[chilly jacinth]

aint that shit like 30fps

[edgy oriole]

you playing a shell of a game

[solar widget]

Could never find a ps5 so I just gave up I’ll just get a gaming setup in the future and play most games again

[edgy oriole]

i bought mine only for spiderman

now its just been a paperweight

[solar widget]

lol

[acoustic seal]

sucks that we wasted the "no games" joke on ps3 when ps4 and ps5 have been way worse

[edgy oriole]

and now they thinking of ps6

[acoustic seal]

the same people are still going to buy it and the yearly fifa release

[arctic grove]

PS5 to PS3 backwards compatibility when

[fiery shoal]

@arctic grove super late to the topic, got stuck in a meeting but kept thinking about this

https://youtu.be/OX31kZbAXsA?t=1163

60hz/300fps does better than 60hz/60fps

@spiral folio above

[spiral folio]

Do they use the same computer and will the computer bog down ever

[edgy oriole]

i just lock my fps to my 144hz monitor

[fiery shoal]

pushing as much fps as you can, no matter your monitor, will be better for performance

[spiral folio]

Becsuse if running a game at 200fps will overheat your computer its probably better to not run it that high.

Because processing excess frames wont help

[fiery shoal]

of course unless theres negative effects like screen tearing and its distracting or whatnot

[spiral folio]

Which was my point the whole time thanks

[fiery shoal]

video literally shows processing more frames helps

literal pros, saying it feels better and the numbers show they do perform better...

[arctic grove]

i’m gonna add 100 fps cap

[spiral folio]

Im not gonna sit through a video right now

Feels better on a scale of "hm to yea"

[fiery shoal]

good thing i timestamped and it takes 1 minute to get that conclusion

[spiral folio]

So precise

[fiery shoal]

or you know.. ive typed the conclusion of the video so you can just read it and take that knowledge...

[pine roost]

the way I understand it, higher fps reduces frametimes, which reduces the interval between you moving your mouse and the effect rotating the camera in game, that reduced latency can definitely be felt even if the refresh rate is low

[spiral folio]

The conclusion is overuse of processing makes good feels

[fiery shoal]

shroud "60hz/300hz is definitely easier (than 60hz/60fps), theres not as much.. input lag as id explain"

[edgy oriole]

shroud goat

[fiery shoal]

yea, people here should start arguing against shroud that hes wrong xD

[spiral folio]

I think what youre saying is basically because capping at 60 mean any dip in frame rate will lower you below 60 where if youre processing at 120 and it dips below 120 youll still always see 60 frames

[pine roost]

that's not necessarily it, the frametimes are the biggest factor, that input lag that shroud said he feels

[fiery shoal]

im saying theres a benefit to have more fps than your monitor.. thats it

[spiral folio]

Input lag would only matter on games tied to framerate, which is very specific

[fiery shoal]

i dont care WHY, i just care that there is a difference

[acoustic seal]

framerate is a byproduct of having expensive hardware to brute force shitty software

[spiral folio]

This is precisely why i dont take the word of a sponsored youtubers opinion

[fiery shoal]

what are you talking about...

[spiral folio]

Its literally sponsored by the company selling the thing he's testing

And his conclusion is basically "sure get the newest card because more frames is good"

[pine roost]

because it's true

https://youtu.be/msOWcvoIC8M?t=158 watch this for some more info if you fancy

[edgy oriole]

he figuring it out

[spiral folio]

Even if it were, its being sold by the video claiming to test it. Its about as reliable as a chevy car getting a JD power award

[fiery shoal]

if thats youre interpretation of the video and its conclusion.. good luck in life

[spiral folio]

(Chevy sponsors JD power awards)

[fiery shoal]

you can get about 300 fps with a 1060 in a vast majority of competitive titles...

[loud flower]

I've rarely hated a game mechanic as much as BF's vehicle system
if you don't have a solid 4000+ hours sunk into the vehicles of the previous BF games, you aren't allowed to play the aircrafts, simple as
it's especially true with jet fighters, you cannot, like, you cannot play the fighter jets because the enemy jet is already on your six when you spawn
even if he isn't, the jets' health is so fucking low that you are dead before you've even located the enemy or managed to aim at them

[spiral folio]

Its basicslly them giving themselves awards

[fiery shoal]

by no means is that a "buy the latest card for more fps"

its apparently tin foil hat time

[spiral folio]

Long

Parse it

[pine roost]

I wonder if they'd be able to come up with some form of AA that is located at your base to potentially stop this kind of problem

[spiral folio]

Jets dont fit in the game unfortunately

Theyre in the game cause if they didnt
"Why no jets?"

About why the minibird is in the game

They literally stopped using em years ago

[next gulch]

really only the case for air vehicles, DICE managed to make them competitive for non shitbuckets in BF1

[opaque merlin]

You are talking about playing on two different generation of games bro, like saying the racing mechanics on forza motorsport 3 isn't different than the racing mechanics on forza motorsport 7

[woven acorn]

connection dropped out mid game and now my EA play is bugged and battlefield is giving me a persistent data error and wont connect

[pine roost]

jets are one of the aspects of their rock paper scissors balance methodology, it just so happens that they control so awfully that they can't perform any task consistently well

[arctic grove]

I used to play golmud and sit in spawn, wait for vehicles to fly by and spot them and watch the ciws destroy them

[spiral folio]

Theyre totally not

Jets fit in battlefield like a horse in a basement

People like horses but it wont perform well there

[arctic grove]

Spawn ciws was good for a fair chance for a losing plane to get another chance in a dogfight

[spiral folio]

Planes in bf1 worked cause they basically filled the role of helos too

[arctic grove]

guys what is flight assist ? when i use it i dont feel anything

If you didn’t destroy a plane over the middle of the map, too bad for you

[spiral folio]

I think flight assist levels you off sooner

[pine roost]

planes in bf1 did everything well

[spiral folio]

They were even easier to kill

[turbid drum]

CAN SOMEONE TELL DICE NOT TO REMOVE EXODUS CQ. thx

[pine roost]

jets in 2042 are designed for anti air first, with anti armour as a secondary and infantry as a sort of last resort. If they changed some mechanics they'd perform so much better

[spiral folio]

Most use i get from a jet is hovermode vs bots for just shiggles

[next gulch]

I for one am very glad Jet's are garbo in 2042, barely anyone wants them to be good

[arctic grove]

They used to be a full ground vehicle counter

[pine roost]

literally two changes off of the top of my head that could make them more fun without needing to change any damage values or whatever

[next gulch]

still get triggered over BF4 Jet shitbuckets, literal scum

[arctic grove]

All you needed was two strafes directly top down to kill ground vehicles

[spiral folio]

Give the f35 minibird agility in hover mode

[arctic grove]

It takes a bit longer now tho

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1048544574051733584/1072959364547219496/Anghel.mp4 @still vault

[pine roost]

back then you'd hardly see the wildcat which only accentuated the problem

[spiral folio]

And instant mode change

[pine roost]

and now the wildcat isn't even a consistent AA. carrying on from what i was saying the other day

[next gulch]

maps are so big wildcat's are a non issue, easily avoided

[arctic grove]

Wildcat is pretty cursed now

[spiral folio]

You meant m5

[still vault]

song 10/10
video 3/10

[arctic grove]

Lmao

[still vault]

Need that angel mouth sync

[edgy oriole]

now make one using primus - mud

[frail sparrow]

is anyone also sad that they didnt add thermals for the throwing knives?

[rain bronze]

Do dice know about grenade splash going through quite literally every surface in the game currently?

[arctic grove]

Maximum trolling

[arctic grove]

Primus is good