battlefield-2042

[quiet shell]

DICE has a track record of fixing a busted game and then releasing a good game. BF4 was busted so BF1 was good, BFV was busted so people hoped 2042 would be good

[arctic grove]

and people say they prefer a mess than atleast something finished in a way or another

[solar tinsel]

The 'limited time/FOMO' battle pass has been the standard approach for a while now - that said, I like that some developers are taking a different approach where seasonal content can be unlocked at your own pace even if you don't finish it "in time".

[arctic grove]

Hoped, but there was not much reason to do anything but that

[arctic grove]

Yeah I mean, if you paid for the Y1 pass tho you’re definitely entitled to the chance to unlock what you spent your money on

[quiet shell]

which is what DICE should also do

[solar obsidian]

dont pre order stuff lol

its that simple

[arctic grove]

i don’t how people say that bf2042 will never be as good as bf4. it will become as good as the past bf games, maybe even better

[solar obsidian]

dont make your own reality hoping the game are good BEFORE they are out

[arctic grove]

ye, you should wait for the reviews

[arctic grove]

Debatable because of core design choices like the specialists

[quiet shell]

Hindsight is 20/20

[solar tinsel]

It certainly is a fair point from a consumer fairness perspective. THat said, the argument is you're not paying for the content, you're paying for the opportunity to unlock the content

[arctic grove]

the marketing is sometimes a lie

[arctic grove]

True that

[arctic grove]

dice will nail it in the future

[solar obsidian]

no, its basic knowledge

[arctic grove]

they brought classes back

thats a good sign

[quiet shell]

what are you saying you've never trusted DICE

[thick shadow]

It's either a hit or miss honestly, no doubt its getting more polished and playable but one can only hope it surpasses bf4 once it gets to the same state

[arctic grove]

it’s common sense

[grim pulsar]

is there a section, on here, that has talk about getting the wingman extreme 3d pro joystick to work on pc/steam/origin

[arctic grove]

It would help a lot if it were followed by introducing playable “anonymous” faction and class dependent character models

[solar obsidian]

why would i trust a company that promising so many years of content*

when bf5 got cut short to begin with ?

[thick shadow]

Perhaps general chat could help you out? @grim pulsar

[solar obsidian]

dont even need to look a decade ago

[arctic grove]

well, you can search it up on google or #general

[solar tinsel]

It will be pretty subjective to determine if BF2042 will ever be "better" than BF4. I suppose you could measure metrics of how many players have been playing X years after the last content drop

[quiet shell]

because they promised the next battlefield would be great

[solar obsidian]

why would i ever trust EA?

[grim pulsar]

google has failed.

[arctic grove]

i’m saying it might be better

[solar obsidian]

i want whatever you are taking

[arctic grove]

Classes are good but I’m referring to the specialists as player models

[solar obsidian]

some stronger copium

[limber orbit]

still feel like they stopped support on BFV out of spite or something

[royal swan]

EA has been doing well lately, they respected dead space remastered after fucking the franchise to death in dead space 3

[arctic grove]

(well, need for speed: most wanted 2015 was good for me)

[solar obsidian]

game was dead, and ea certainly did not want to invest in it more

[thick shadow]

Wasn't it because of the production of bf2042 that they bailed out on bfv?

[arctic grove]

ye, we had alot of ww2/1 games

[thick shadow]

Or so I heard

[arctic grove]

we didn’t need more

V wasn’t cut cause of the endless amount of ww2 games, more so the launch reception

[solar tinsel]

historical burnout could have played a factor, especially after years of playing BF1 beforehand

thats one reason why I didn't get BFV myself, among some other reasons

[arctic grove]

well, half of the development was simply updating frostbite because a bunch of devs left dice. thats why bf2042 was so buggy at launch

Wasn’t V explicitly cut for 2042

Just checking

That and it was already like 2 yrs old anyway

[solar obsidian]

no idea, battlefront games also have to be taken into consideration with for they switch around devs

[solar tinsel]

You can make that argument for any BF game. At some point, support stops because they've decided to move onto the next

[arctic grove]

Yes

[thick shadow]

Didn't they also say that they were originally gonna make itt a full on battle royale based game?

[solar tinsel]

DICE has yet to make a truly, long-term live service BF title

so really, every title eventually gets halted for the next

[thick shadow]

Which was the longest term battlefield?

Was it 1?

[royal swan]

I'm getting sick of live service

[arctic grove]

ye, ea was like. man, f that battle royale. we wanna do the battlefield style now

[solar tinsel]

Not sure to be honest

[arctic grove]

But what I mean is I doubt the amount of WW2 games is a large reason why V got canned. It was already ‘old’, had a lasting reception from launch, other projects, etc

For what it was and the audience it targeted V didn’t have to worry about any type of burnout

[arctic grove]

i just know that bf4 and 3 are still being played

[thick shadow]

Dawg I was almost about to lose it if they published a full on battle royale, it just ain't battlefield

[arctic grove]

Considering the last battlefield game that was in a WW2 setting was like, 10 or so years before V?

[royal swan]

Definitely 1

[frank sable]

@arctic grove really?

[arctic grove]

what

[solar tinsel]

I generally agree, but it makes sense for games like this, where you unlock stuff and therefore you can keep going and keep your unlocks.

[cedar ember]

battlefield 2 made a whole genre just sayin

[thick shadow]

I want to play bf3 again so badly but my pc is dogshit and man would I love for it to be backwards compatible on ps5

[frank sable]

I tried to play bf4 but couldn't find servers

[arctic grove]

BF3 absolutely needs a remaster for last and current console generations

[arctic grove]

it’s being played in europe the most

[thick shadow]

True

[solar obsidian]

console issues

[cedar ember]

squad, hell let loose and all those games come from bf2

[arctic grove]

or that is the problem

[royal swan]

Yeah grinds do keep people playing but lately these live service games have been dropping dead

[solar tinsel]

BF2 did introduce a lot of stuff. If I'm not mistaken, I think it was one of the first games to introduce a rank/progression unlock system. Or one of the firsts

[arctic grove]

BF4 has players but it’s mainly just the really dedicated players

[thick shadow]

@frank sable Try resetting your filters and select your region, slots and game mode

[arctic grove]

Depending on your region and time of day you can have matchmaking problems

[thick shadow]

Conquest still rocking hard

[solar tinsel]

yeah. I'm not a big fan of them for co-op/single-player games (Destiny, Division, etc.) because at the end of the day the ultimate grind of solo/co-op content stops getting fun.

multiplayer however is at it's core better suited for repeated grinding cause of uniqueness of matches

[thick shadow]

Would bf4 work with tactical reloads?

[cedar ember]

yeah, and all the squad and teamwork mechanics from that game are still being used in squad and other 50v50 hardcore "mil sims"

[final plume]

We all love this game because we know how much of a mess it is.

[solar tinsel]

yeah, I mean heck some of the most popular mil sims spun off from BF2 as mods: Project Reality and the like

[royal swan]

Games should stop on the multiplayer

[thick shadow]

How many players did bf2 support

[arctic grove]

Like tactical reload animations?

[solar tinsel]

64

[thick shadow]

Yeah, I'm curious if it'll work

[cedar ember]

yeah, bf2 project reality made the whole 50vs50 mil sim genre

[arctic grove]

As long as the people who animate em decide to make them like that yea

[thick shadow]

What the fuck I always thought bf3 was the first game to support it

[arctic grove]

It wasn’t a concept in 4 cause MW19 popularized it for Triple A FPS

[royal swan]

Multiplayer live service will only go so far before being discarded and forgotten

[solar obsidian]

bf1942 did

[solar tinsel]

nah Battlefield 1942 had 64 too, from the very beginning

[thick shadow]

I legit had no clue

Like I've been told that it only started doing 64 at bf3

[cedar ember]

maybe on console

[solar obsidian]

all games had 64 players on pc, beside bc2

[thick shadow]

Perhaps

[solar tinsel]

It's kind of why I think it's a fair point Battlefield should have upped the player count. 64 was revolutionary in early 2000s, now... not so much. I just wish it was implemented better in 2042

[solar obsidian]

console got scraped down version of games

nothing beat the tech demo bf1943 though

[thick shadow]

That's probably the confusion that got me

[solar obsidian]

bc2 had 32 on pc, and 24 on consoles

[solar tinsel]

I just really would love to see all of the BF2 maps remade in frostbite... and with a bit more cover 😆

[thick shadow]

Bc2 was something else man

Like it was glorious

[royal swan]

I hope the next battlefield is just a simple bf game, no other game modes or live service, just the classic multiplayer and single player

[solar tinsel]

back in 2005, it didn't matter so much cause of the fog of war

[rich hatch]

HEYYY! I just played infinity battle in rush mode, not portal but official mode, this battle is so booring because my team doesnt know how to go and detonate the target :/

[thick shadow]

We need a classic battlefield yes

[solar obsidian]

from a bf2 player point of view,

bc2 was a downgrade in every way, it was the cod version of battlefields

[cedar ember]

if bf2042 implemented a mapmaker with portal, that dream would've come true 😔

[royal swan]

No portal, hazard zone, or fire storm

[thick shadow]

I could see how it feels in some way yes

[solar tinsel]

I admittedly havent played CoD in forever, but I think seperate platforms work well. It could be cool to have an ongoing live service for the MP, and then add new co-op/solo games alongside. Then get unlocks from each into MP

[thick shadow]

I fell in love with bc2's singleplayer though

[solar tinsel]

ha true, shame

[cedar ember]

a mapmaker in a battlefield game would be so fucking good

[limber orbit]

nothing but meme maps

[cedar ember]

we would have wacky ass maps of people fighting as ants

[royal swan]

If it was 2013

[solar obsidian]

you say that, but its properly gonna be 99% xp grinds on "one lane map fast xp here"

[thick shadow]

There's prolly gonna be sum crackhead that'll make a concentration camp with the map maker

[limber orbit]

also that

[cedar ember]

😢

[solar tinsel]

Speaking of BF2... the ***original ***metro: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/battlefield/images/8/84/BF2_Iron_Gator_64.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20220123032659

[cedar ember]

no fucking way that was a map, i don't remember this because no server probably hosted this

[royal swan]

You know, this is the first time I genuinely want a copy and paste game

[solar tinsel]

haha it was. Iron Gator, part of the Special Forces expansion

[solar obsidian]

they cant even do that properly

[thick shadow]

Could you elaborate a bit more on that, I don't quite understand

[cedar ember]

._.

[solar tinsel]

The fleshed out the carrier to have multiple decks, rooms, etc.

[royal swan]

Same shit, but new skin.

New look

[thick shadow]

Ohhh

[cedar ember]

ohh so it was the aircraft carrier getting attacked i thought it was the other way around
didn't notice the red cross on the other objective

[thick shadow]

Do basically pull a vanguard

[solar tinsel]

Yeah the landmass is the uncap, and the carrier is the "defending" side so to speak in the CQ Assault setup

[royal swan]

Vanguard wasn't a copy and paste, it was a fucking crop

[thick shadow]

Wasn't it literally mw2019?

[edgy oriole]

vanguard was rough

[thick shadow]

But ww2

[solar obsidian]

how dare you compare those two as the same

[edgy oriole]

it somehow made the legendary map from WaW ass

[thick shadow]

I dare a lot

[arctic grove]

That’s why I’m concerned about mw2009s maps in mw22

I feel like they’d ruin all the nostalgia

[edgy oriole]

mw22 just needs maps. idk what they thinking dropping 4 maps

[royal swan]

They bored me with shoot house

Lame ass map now

[thick shadow]

When you try to make something new out of a original then of course there's a big chance it'll turn out bad

[solar tinsel]

I wonder if 2042 was instead just a "Battlefield Legacy" game, essentially Portal, but with 4 maps and most weapons/gear/vehicles from each Battlefield title in history, like a greatest hits - if it would have done better

[solar obsidian]

dude

we paid 60 already

dont want to feel more scammed

[royal swan]

I genuinely don't want new qwerty features

[cedar ember]

oh i bet you when operation harsh door-stop comes out there's gonna be servers that do just that

[solar tinsel]

Im just saying if it WASNT 2042

[thick shadow]

Bf2042 is like 24 euros in my local game store

Lmfao

[solar tinsel]

If they instead just made a multiplayer only game with like mini-remasters of each in one

[solar obsidian]

look up the launch price,

[solar tinsel]

and that was the game, would that have done better I wonder

[thick shadow]

Launch was 69.99-79.99

[solar obsidian]

that logic there would make pc gaming look like some discount service for third world country

[thick shadow]

Well in the local store it was 64.99 but wtf am I with 5 euros off

[solar obsidian]

i cant remember how much i paid

[royal swan]

If I see the plus system in the new battlefield, I'll punch my balls

[solar obsidian]

think it was 55 euro, for gold in some store

[thick shadow]

Sheesh

[solar obsidian]

i like the plus system

only thing i truly like in this game

[solar tinsel]

I think plus is fine, probably one of the good things 2042 offered

[royal swan]

Keep it in 2042 then

[solar tinsel]

I think it could use some improvement, maybe requiring time to swap attachments

[royal swan]

Like how building was kept in bfv

[thick shadow]

A cool down would work honestly

[solar tinsel]

or limiting the types of things you can use with plus

[edgy oriole]

they just need to give us the ability to remove attachments from plus menu

[royal swan]

Or just not be able to change your gun on the fly

[solar tinsel]

but likes, ammo type, suppressor on/off, stuff like that

[royal swan]

Ok maybe, but like one suppressor

With an animation to put it on and off

[solar tinsel]

Rainbow Six Vegas had something similar I think

back when

[thick shadow]

Range adjuster please

[solar tinsel]

right stuff like that could work

[arctic grove]

yes

[thick shadow]

Zeroing was it called right?

[solar obsidian]

yeah players in battlefield already complained too much about all those very nice animations we had in prior battlefield game slowing the game down,

so here we are

[solar tinsel]

and ammo type change seems fair. however, maybe prohibit things like, changing sights or changing your underbarrel

[arctic grove]

or

we could remove attachments on the go

[royal swan]

I hated that change with passion

[arctic grove]

how about that

[solar obsidian]

same

[royal swan]

And the movement, just fucking undo

[solar tinsel]

I suppose, although people might be confused if you can't put them back on

[solar obsidian]

trying to explain old bf players call of duty now have more animations around vehicles

[solar tinsel]

I think it just makes sense to limit it to specific things

[solar obsidian]

its a tough one

[solar tinsel]

and use animations as suggested

[fresh lintel]

Whoever thought that the NTW needed to one shot bodyshot made a horrible mistake.

[arctic grove]

I don't find that mechanic cool

I really don't

[solar obsidian]

there was players screaming for 1 shot snipers since bf1

they listened

[royal swan]

This sliding bullshit, infinite tactical sprint, all gone, remove it

[thick shadow]

That's actually a good idea imo, it'll require you to find cover first before switching

[fresh lintel]

I stopped playing CoD to get away from the no skill snipers and now that shits in BF

[royal swan]

Or nerf it hard

Like hard

[fresh lintel]

At least in BF3 they required skill

[royal swan]

Mw2022 hard

[solar obsidian]

when mw22 is closer to bf3 gameplay than bf2042

[solar tinsel]

I've never been a fan of it. Perhaps because on controller it's probably harder for me ha - I get why people like 'fun movement' but the sprint slide jump jump just looks goofy

[solar obsidian]

in terms of gunplay

[cedar ember]

modern warfare 2 2 2022

[fresh lintel]

MW2 is NOT similar though?

[solar tinsel]

I'm ok with a bit more reduced movement if it means having to be a bit more tactical about your decisions. BF definitely has gotten faster play speed over the years

[fresh lintel]

CoD has no Bloom control. Has no bullet travel times. Its all hitscan until you get into DMZ or Invasion.

[thick shadow]

Which battlefield would you say was the most boots on the ground experience

[solar obsidian]

cod have bullet travel though

[idle lion]

dice devs: How bugged do you want sundances wingsuit to be
EA: Yes.

[royal swan]

I want battlefield to feel slow and beefy

[fresh lintel]

Barely affects MP.

[arctic grove]

1

[cedar ember]

battlefield 1942

[arctic grove]

I'm going around the map slowly.

[royal swan]

Slow, beefy, restricted like a classic battlefield

[arctic grove]

am I doing it right

[fresh lintel]

The only time you see bullet travel is when you run silencers on SMGs

[idle lion]

like bro tf i landed at snails pace and died because of and i quote "Fell to your death"

[solar tinsel]

BF3 felt like a sweet spot for me. I'd say BF2, but the weapon handling in that would not hold up today

[cedar ember]

that's exactly what im saying, we need a bf2 successor

[idle lion]

while gliding from a height that wouldnt even kill you without a parachute or wingsuit

[solar tinsel]

If they did a BF2 remake/successor, they'd need to embrace some more modern gameplay mechanics

[thick shadow]

Imagine next battlefield is gonna be a turn based strategy ☠️

[fresh lintel]

But still, BF3 had proper recoil control, less aim assist and what not. CoD its just hold M1, Jump like a monkey and win.

[solar tinsel]

Again: the BF2-level spread would blow people's minds and infuriate 😆

[fresh lintel]

I played BC2 and.. Eh.

[final plume]

Mind if I leave my nade there?

[cedar ember]

i agree, i do despise the 50v50 mil sim gameplay loop of getting 2-shot by pixels 500 meters away

[fresh lintel]

I'd rather play Planetside 1 over BC2 but BC2 doesnt have the worse CoF.

That goes to PS1.

[thick shadow]

Is Bc2 really that disliked then???

[arctic grove]

no

[thick shadow]

I really liked it though

[solar tinsel]

BC2 is largely beloved

[fresh lintel]

No, its considered one of the best id not the bestm

[solar tinsel]

both BCs are

[arctic grove]

if only the first bc game isn't console

[fresh lintel]

I just dont like it because I like BF3's movement and maps and weapons.

[arctic grove]

hey I don't mind bc

if they had ai bots

[thick shadow]

Ahh fair, Bc2 is quite limited

[arctic grove]

[thick shadow]

I found it strange that you only sprint in a straight line

You couldn't strafe at all

[solar tinsel]

BF3 was the culminating point for BF: merging BC2's "console and frostbite" to the traditional PC BF2 formula

[solar obsidian]

the removal of prone

[arctic grove]

realism

[solar tinsel]

BF3 is probably the most significant game in the franchise for that reason

[thick shadow]

Real shit

Yuh

[solar tinsel]

It put mainline BF on the mainstream map in a lot of ways

[thick shadow]

I don't know what it was with bf3, it felt so modern for it's time like almost too modern for a game

[solar obsidian]

dice released a proper well polished game on all platforms

[solar tinsel]

what is "too modern" and is that even possible? haha

[arctic grove]

well PC isn't perfect

[solar tinsel]

"it's happening RIGHT NOW!"

[solar obsidian]

pretty much raised the bar of graphics beside crysis 2 with being the first next gen looking games on pc

[cedar ember]

Anyone here gonna check out operation harsh doorstop when its out in a week?
its very early access atm though, no vehicles until the first major update
Looks to be bf2 style gameplay that is heavily encouraging modding

[thick shadow]

I'm probably exaggerating it a bit of course but it just felt magical to play bf3 because of how fresh it felt at that time lmao

[solar tinsel]

BF3 had a very specific audio/visual style it committed too - sometimes to a fault (ie. cool color grade), but it had character for that reason

[solar obsidian]

compared to some of the shit we seen released after, bf3 was miles ahead

[solar tinsel]

the sound, the visual design

It was very well done and rightfully won awards for presentation

[thick shadow]

Main theme was a banger

[solar tinsel]

a lot of people claim BF3 'looks better' than 2042, because even though the frame rate and resolutions are lower, the treatment is great

[solar obsidian]

nostalgic googles

[thick shadow]

Visually it looks more appealing?

[solar tinsel]

that, and YouTube compression evening the playing field of resolution advantage

[arctic grove]

yes ofc

[solar obsidian]

yes

[thick shadow]

Or design

[arctic grove]

everything before 2042 looked better

[solar tinsel]

I do believe BF3's visual design though is superior to 2042

[cedar ember]

bf3 looks like crap today, it has the shit filter that all fps games in that generation had for some reason

[solar obsidian]

only thing i dislike in bf3 is the color filter,

[solar tinsel]

despite 2042 obviously having higher resolution assets, textures, etc.

[thick shadow]

Design and the way the visuals look are quite different from each other

[solar tinsel]

sure, but it gave the game style and character

[arctic grove]

if you remove the color filters for all the games that existed

[solar tinsel]

I know it got ragged on a bit back then

[arctic grove]

would that atmosphere still be there

[solar tinsel]

but in my mind it gives a game some personality

[solar obsidian]

shit design to game sure your game stood out between all other modern combat games

[arctic grove]

tell me

name one game that needs to retain the filter

[solar tinsel]

well it wasn't JUST the color grade

[thick shadow]

Have y'all seen bf2042 on ps4/xbone

[cedar ember]

back in the day probably not so much since every game had it, maybe it gives personality now that its not so common

[solar obsidian]

you can make atmosphere through art style and model/map and ui design to make them stand out,

but they picked the most generic setting in the world,

the one the competitor also targeted

[royal swan]

Oh god "xbone" Jesus fuck I haven't heard that in years

[thick shadow]

Muhahahaa

Xbone

[solar obsidian]

look up bf4 on ps3 and 360, its even worse

[thick shadow]

I have seen that

[solar tinsel]

true. I think there has been a mindset of trying to make games sterile now to try to ensure it's as a 'competitive' experience as possible.

Not saying it's bad, but there's less of that these days it seems

people probably dont like it when the dirty lens and flare interferes with their aim

[thick shadow]

It looks awesome imo

[solar tinsel]

oh yeah I'm all for it

[thick shadow]

I mean I'm a dude that is all in for the visuald and shit so

[solar tinsel]

I dont view Battlefield as a super competitive e-sports franchise anyway

[solar obsidian]

its never been

[arctic grove]

me too

[solar tinsel]

so if it makes it a bit more casual to flair it up a bit, so what

[thick shadow]

Has it been in E sports then?

[solar tinsel]

nah

[arctic grove]

if the game has camera shake

I'm all about it

[thick shadow]

What the dogshit?

[solar obsidian]

very niche back in bf2

[cedar ember]

i like the cartoony artstyles of something like tf2 and even fortnite 🤢 way over the dark and griddy with bloom cranked up to 9000 artstyle

[solar tinsel]

BF4 tried to add a spectator mode, probably in the hopes of maybe doing something, but I don't think anything really took off

[arctic grove]

I thought it's just there

[solar obsidian]

that was also added much later in the games lifespan

[thick shadow]

I have the battlefield games with a camera shake option all the way cranked up lol

[arctic grove]

bring back camera shake on movement speed

NOW

[fresh lintel]

Tfw the team just holds 1 sector

[cedar ember]

bf4 had that bomb defusal mode that reloaded the map every round i remember
i mostly remember the loading screens

[arctic grove]

prone, spring, leap over

[thick shadow]

Battlefield parkour game let's go lmao

[arctic grove]

now

[limpid pond]

Sup losers

[arctic grove]

I want to try that, but I heard it's only 5v5

[thick shadow]

It's dread

[limpid pond]

Yep it's me

[thick shadow]

Wait did he just call us losers

[arctic grove]

hardline also has hostage mode

[cedar ember]

i hope you like loading screens

[arctic grove]

but way more players

[limpid pond]

I call everyone a loser

[thick shadow]

OK loser

[limpid pond]

Or I call them wrong for no reason

[solar obsidian]

found the childs

[solar tinsel]

thats the thing though, lower player counts do make sense more for super competitive play, and since BF typically is more - I think thats largely why it hasn't stuck for e sports

[limpid pond]

You're just wrong

[thick shadow]

Damn

Aight

[limpid pond]

L Rizz

[thick shadow]

Rizz

Idk why but I hate that word

[limpid pond]

Yeah same but ita fun to use

[thick shadow]

I read that in an Italian accent

[limpid pond]

Anyways you finish dead space yet?

[thick shadow]

Not yet

I had to stop playing at chapter 6

[cedar ember]

bf competitive could work like how squad competitive leagues work. its communities against communities instead of teams against teams

[limpid pond]

How's it going so far? Solid game am I right

[thick shadow]

I've been pussying out so played on story mode

Switched to easy and still scared

[limpid pond]

Only way I see bf comp working is if it was 8v8 or maybe 10v10 rush

[solar obsidian]

we have not even seen expanded parties yet

[acoustic seal]

the only 2042 tournament that's ever been run was 4v4 rush

[thick shadow]

My dead space experience went far worse than I expected honestly lmao

[limpid pond]

Yeah the noise with the atmosphere does that to you

[cedar ember]

nah, thats so far from the battlefield formula

[limpid pond]

The games great though so at least you got what you paid for

[thick shadow]

I'm like shitting my pants to turn corners bro

[solar tinsel]

It is - but some games have offered it in adition to the core game

[solar obsidian]

i honestly missing out on horror games

but i just dont get afraid of any game ever

[limpid pond]

The only issue with the bf formula is the chaos though. That's why people would realistically only watch the 8v8 or 10v10 rush

[solar tinsel]

But still, if 99% of people playing are playing a non-competitive mode, it's never gonna take off

[cedar ember]

capture the pigeon best battlefield mode

[thick shadow]

I had like an power outage earlier so had to recalibrate my tv cuz it resettled for sum reason

[solar obsidian]

how the fuck does it recalibrate because of power outage

what the fuck

[limpid pond]

Don't worry once you complete the playtheough 10 times it won't be as bad

[thick shadow]

There are great games out there

[solar obsidian]

again, last game that got me afraid was like 2001 or something

[cedar ember]

it would never be a spectator sport, just community events where a community will work together to beat another

[limpid pond]

Only game I'm sad about is the currently new canceled titanfal game

[solar obsidian]

also for the love of god get an oled if you love horror games

[cedar ember]

like how it is in squad

[thick shadow]

Dawg you're not gonna tell me that when you sit close to a 43 inch tv in your bedroom with a bunch of necromorphs chasing you will get not scary at some point

[limpid pond]

Could be done but then the question goes into who hosts it and what times can it be done. It's a good idea just alot of planning schedule fitting money and time would go into it

[solar obsidian]

im about 4-5 meter from a 65" oled gaming in a room without any light

[solar tinsel]

and thats it, the juice is likely not worth the squeeze for BF

[limpid pond]

I have a 24.5 inch monitor with a 1440p display on a desk. I sit less than a foot from It and play with the lights off

[solar tinsel]

The game is built around massive all out warfare, "only in battlefield" wild moments, totally counter to the hyper competitive type of game.

[thick shadow]

Bro the bigger the necromorph is on your screen the worse it gets 😭

[limpid pond]

Sadly this is true. It could be done just would have to have a few miracles happen

[solar tinsel]

Doesn't make sense to chase

[limpid pond]

Yeah I can see that. Horror games are fun. Just 90% of them suck

[cedar ember]

its probably been done in older games in Clan vs Clan matches

[solar tinsel]

They'd need to rebrand the game quite a bit, and make something like TDM or a 5v5 style mode one of their core experiences

Could be done for sure, but I don't see it happening soon

[solar obsidian]

clash of clans

[limpid pond]

Like that one werewolf game that recently came out. It was trash

[thick shadow]

Have you ever heard from home sweet home?

[limpid pond]

Resident evil village was good

[cedar ember]

:(

[thick shadow]

Shadows of rose was goated man

[limpid pond]

Is that a game?

[solar obsidian]

but dead serious a good oled screen will change your life

[thick shadow]

Yeah it's a thai horror game

[thick shadow]

I can afford an oled at any time honestly but I just don't have the space for it in my room lmao

Unless I wall mount it

[limpid pond]

I'll check it out. The quarry was that trash horror game I was talking about. Idk how people found that game entertaining

[cedar ember]

arma and squad clans/units also sometimes get together and run competitive matches/tournaments between the units
no prize pool, just to see who wins

[solar obsidian]

watch for prices on lg c2, they are cheap these months since they are replacing them with new gen

[thick shadow]

It's the asian horror games that get me man, like Indonesian folklore is terrifying

[solar tinsel]

always get the right screen for the space 👍🏻 I've seen people try to force so many improperly sized setups and it rarely comes out good, having to view at awkward angles or whatever have you

[limpid pond]

So how's bf 2042. Player count go up?

[solar obsidian]

c2 comes in both 42" and 48"

[solar tinsel]

Can't speak for player count, but quality of game the climb has been slowly but consistently upward

[thick shadow]

I'll definitely check it out sometime, heard good things about LG c series

[limpid pond]

Try a game called ghost song. It's a 2d plain game that's actually solid

[solar tinsel]

The class rework is generally a positive thing. There are some balance things that will need to be addressed, but in all I find there's more role identity

[limpid pond]

Yeah the update in my opinion was solid but the further nerf to smgs outweighed the pros for me considering all I use are smgs

[solar obsidian]

understatement

[solar tinsel]

did they nerf SMGs?

[thick shadow]

Yeah I know, my setup just exists out of a ps5, 43 inch tv, and a soundbar with some top gun maverick miniature jets on it lol

[limpid pond]

Not Necessarily it was the ads nerf to extended mags. You basically only use extended mags on smgs

And then for some reasons smgs with a high round mag got the ads nerf

[solar obsidian]

dice moment

[limpid pond]

Only smg that wasn't really affected was the pp29

[solar tinsel]

Ah, yeah I hear ya. I'm in favor of extended/drums having more drawbacks, but maybe it needs to be a bit different in how

[limpid pond]

But it's basically am ar in this game

[solar tinsel]

maybe they can increase the recoil and reload time more or something

i dont know

[thick shadow]

Well I'm gonna start my day, be back later y'all.

Don't kill each other over who has dropped the biggest shit in the toilet

[limpid pond]

Yeah my biggest thing was smgs are meant to be high damage cqb guns yet are the opposite because I quote as dice said " smgs are not a catergory in which they believe should reward accuracy"

[limpid pond]

It's 2 am in the morning for me. I go to work at 12. Take it easy

[solar tinsel]

ha inded

[limpid pond]

Like any other bf smgs were good

[thick shadow]

Never, I didn't sleep this night

[solar tinsel]

same here, I gotta get sleep. night everyone - be well

[limpid pond]

In this game it's like you better hope the enemy is trash or isn't looking

[limpid pond]

Take it easy bud

[limpid pond]

I didn't sleep last night. Worked all day today on no sleep but I'm about to crash

[idle lion]

fix you game dice

im stuck in fucking slow motion

[rocky kraken]

wonder if dice will ever fix the glitchy vehicle carcasses

they glitch everywhere

like stopmotion

[lilac dust]

I'm over halfway on tier 1ng the M39 but I'm sure it'll get nerfed before I can finish it since I'll be busy being a wizard from Tuesday 😦

[idle lion]

also jesus just remove Hourglass till you fuckin fix it

it makes no sense for it to exist in the official map pool

[edgy oriole]

they dont fix weapons til end of season. so you got a few weeks

[rocky kraken]

i agree

[lilac dust]

👀 Hell yeah

[edgy oriole]

bsv was broken for a HOT minute

[hexed mango]

i do love getting #1 revives being #1 on the scoreboard

[hexed mango]

its also a vault weapon so fixes are basically nonexistent

[ebon pilot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/850376380822323230/1071254337776521317/image.png

[lilac dust]

Oh shit I saw a purple dot on one of the containers in breakaway 😮 Now that's the kind of variety I'm talking about. Love my container variety

[hexed mango]

this was basically me but i had 980 score, 65 resupplies

[hexed mango]

new flavor unlocked

lol engineer is the only class where i dont have a specialist T1'd

they're all T4, and i already have the engineer badge at T4... what if i get the engineer badge T1 before an engineer specialist T1

[ebon pilot]

engineer T1s are hard

[edgy oriole]

who are the engineers

[hexed mango]

yet the badge T1 is pretty ez

boris lis crawford

[edgy oriole]

i got boris t1

[hexed mango]

nice

[edgy oriole]

lis and crawdad ill never t1

[hexed mango]

ill probably get him eventually cause they buffed him

[ebon pilot]

for two of em you have to do damage or get kills with an emplacement that does little damage, has low health, and for the other you have to get kills with a rocket that half the player population can't control well

[hexed mango]

crawford is still immensely shit imo
unless you're just repairing the entire round, then he is good

[lilac dust]

Specialists that force you to be completely away from using your primary weapon to tier 1 them are annoying. I'll tier 1 boris at some point because I can still work on tier 1 weapons while the turret is racking up points

[hexed mango]

lis buff is pretty nice lel

but regardless i like playing engineer for the javelin and repairs. i barely even use the specialist gadget sadly

[edgy oriole]

when game released i focused on t1 specialist while getting attachments for all guns

[hexed mango]

wish there was a specialist that was an engineer that didnt have a stupid turret that could use the javelin

[edgy oriole]

then i t1 my fav guns

[hexed mango]

cause i really dont want to use boris or crawford, and i want to use the jav.

[ebon pilot]

what I wish DICE did was make it so tiers are based on a point system. 100 points per level, and you can get a point in multiple ways

[hexed mango]

or if they just made the mastery challenges and specialists decent

[rocky kraken]

condor is still broken

....

[ebon pilot]

like, Irish's mastery is based on his trophy system, but now he's a support, and the other support mastery requirements are based on health/ammo and revives

so why can't I progress Irish mastery with revives?

[next onyx]

I didn't realise the slash in the scoreboard with health and repairs was a bullet.

[upbeat sand]

I feel like software wise Ea app is lacking on what origin had

Like a in overlay browser, Fps bar, choosing a specific game genre to buy ect

[fresh lintel]

Now the game is telling me to stop deleting Stealth Helis from the game because now every missile is just clipping

This specialist aint fucking T1ing herself

[rocky kraken]

yall

the specialists hands are purple on breakaway

a flaw or on purpose?

[chilly jacinth]

a bug

that ive never seen

[rocky kraken]

well

its pretty obvious

[fresh lintel]

Did you buy and install Half-Life 2 Episode 1 and 2 and Counter Strike Source?

[idle lion]

over and over again this entire fucking region is just bad map after bad map

0 times has conquest 128 had Exposure, Breakaway or Kaleidoscope but it is 24/7 Discarded, Stranded and Hourglass

the 3 worst maps with no cover

[pearl ridge]

Someone tell this ‘inspireyourself’ guy to inspire himself to get a fucking job.

Fucking nightbird farmer gets shot down twice and waits out the full vehicle spawn timer on the map screen to get another

[solar obsidian]

the trick is to shoot vehicles enemy just left

forget planes

[arctic grove]

Why did i get smoke assist as boris

[surreal lintel]

smoke grenades? idk

[arctic grove]

I have fire nades equipped

[next onyx]

Most likely because you killed a person that was about to throw a smoke grenade with how grenade ownership works.

[arctic grove]

That's probably the reason

Forget it's a thing

[surreal lintel]

hm

[lilac dust]

I can't believe I've seen some people saying they don't like the rework .... Like bruh. It's okay for the map to still not be the best map or one of your favourites but it is objectively more playable now 🤣

[surreal lintel]

gets into game
entire squad is falck
none of them revive anyone and just repeatedly heal themselves

[mossy badge]

I don't like the rework

[lilac dust]

Did you like breakaway before the rework?

[surreal lintel]

I like that they put the various 'specialists' under classes so now you can identify what each one does, other than that I haven't played it until they reworked the game

[mossy badge]

They got second chance to make it incredible experience and all they add is concrete block and sandbag for cover

You like it nice for you

[lilac dust]

Are you we talking about breakaway or manifest? lol

[mossy badge]

Overall

[surreal lintel]

tbh most of the maps seem completely forgettable to me.

[lilac dust]

Tell me you never played breakaway before the rework without telling me you never played breakaway before the rework

[mossy badge]

I have seen gameplay of reworks dice did nothing to make me try 2042 sooo why would I play something that doesn't interest me I don't like gunplay it feels below average experience to me.

Even after reworks maps doesn't look very atmospheric

They had second chance

But yes these are my view
I am not harassing any battlefield 2042 enjoyer

[lilac dust]

Everything you are talking about is plummeting the credibility of your very first statement of "I don't like the rework". I gave you a second chance to elaborate but your viewpoint lacked atmospheric valu..... jokes aside, I'm not sure why you even began engaging in this conversation the way you did if you haven't even played it. The rework is astonishing

[mossy badge]

I don't have to play it

I can see how much work has been put into reworks

[lilac dust]

No you cannot. That is downright disrespectful to the developers to say you can see exactly how much work went into it without playing it

[mossy badge]

Breakaway is the least interesting map

[mossy badge]

I am not disrespecting any dev

By side by side comparison

I can tell what changed what not

[lilac dust]

So what changed?

[mossy badge]

Nothing much

[lilac dust]

Nice. Good talk

[mossy badge]

[lilac dust]

I'm only choosing to not engage further because there is far too much enjoyment for me to be had, that It merely detracts from my enjoyment to spend time implying that I'm attempting to convince you to play or something. So I wish you a very good day! 🫡

[mossy badge]

I had interest before launch of 2042 and you don't have to convince me dice is trying and I will wait enjoy your game

👍

Good day to you too man

[chilly jacinth]

lmao nothing much changed

okay bud

[mossy badge]

okay bud

[dense pier]

Hello

[fervent rose]

like i'm not gonna say the gunplay is peak fps gunplay but its fine, its fun. why do you think it's the thing that would stop you from enjoying some Battlefield?

[thick shadow]

I've had that multiple times, it's not fun to work on no sleep

[tame hamlet]

Oh man I like new class system on 3.2 update

Now class system becomes more important than before

[next onyx]

AK24 actually good.

Wow.

[mossy badge]

Gunplay isn't the only thing I don't like maps sooo two most important thing gunplay and maps that I don't like, gun customization is also mid, animation is mid, atmosphere is missing...
I have said same thing thousands of time 😂

[late bloom]

Battlefield 2042 aka cod mobile

[arctic grove]

didnt know you get yeeted if these things are about to explode

[solar obsidian]

😂 so we reached a point where the game push you away from exploding stuff

[arctic grove]

I was so confused

[solar obsidian]

mate

we are reaching a game for kids almost

like "your first shooter"

[chilly jacinth]

you mean cod

[solar obsidian]

arc, you not even trying

[chilly jacinth]

i dont need to

[true fractal]

really loving this game right know

[solar obsidian]

@chilly jacinthhttps://youtu.be/HM_jwTqVOjc

this is the mindset behind bf2042

[chilly jacinth]

i aint clicking that

[solar obsidian]

xD

[mossy badge]

Bro this game isn't made for kids ?

There's no gore, use of strong language maybe hmmm

[solar obsidian]

i would actually love some gore

[mossy badge]

[solar obsidian]

one up gears of war, and straight up rip a players arm of and kill him with it

[mossy badge]

That's too much for battlefield

[solar obsidian]

im sorry,

play dozer

get up behind someone,

[arctic grove]

this was funny, knew guy was coming but fucked grenade timing, still worth it lol

[mossy badge]

don't have to say sorry

[solar obsidian]

just play dozer, c4 on the shield,

sneak up behind someone and blow his torso off

[mossy badge]

What was he thinking

Dude forgot fire grenades effects from bfi

[arctic grove]

idk what i would had done there lol

probably die

[solar obsidian]

gears of war executions ❤️

[mossy badge]

You did good you did great 👍

[arctic grove]

i like the grenades still get thrown when you die, in previous games the grenade were often canceled if you died while throwing it

[mossy badge]

He burned

[mossy badge]

Force dies with you

In old games

[solar obsidian]

https://youtu.be/bsaD13xnMNQ enjoy mates

[mossy badge]

What is it

[solar obsidian]

gears 5 executions

[mossy badge]

Killer croc is in gears too

[solar obsidian]

you sure its gears and not injustice and mortal kombat?

[mossy badge]

Or Batman

[solar obsidian]

fun fact about gears of war

you get more points for extending a execution

[mossy badge]

Nice

[mossy badge]

I like gore in last of us ii

[still vault]

It will likely be worlds better, but probably more due to the new screen tech than due to the hz difference

[next onyx]

Drum mag AK24 be like even more; Yes.

[sweet barn]

when will they remove class restrictions

[arctic grove]

never

[arctic grove]

are you using burst or full auto?

[pastel loom]

this is battlefield
adapt to it

[sweet barn]

vocal minority boomers got their way again by crying on reddit

[lilac dust]

I love running around in circles away from dozer 🤣

[shy latch]

people cried 1+ year for class system back and now we have a hybrid specialist-class system that work badly, with the result of people camping (also due to proficiency), very few counter vehicles and not pushing/conquering the objectives, with an extra radical modification of the gameplay since the game released

[pastel loom]

it's either very few counter vehicles
or a very large number would counter them
there's no in between

I'd say this current system is a lesser bad

[shy latch]

since the beginning of patch 3.2 I never seen "a very large number counter them"

even vehicles doesn't counter each other almost....

[pastel loom]

I meant before classes were reintroduced

[shy latch]

last night there were three (3) vehicles of my team camping on the spawn base (!!!)

[signal basin]

Gonna miss the freedom. Unpopular opinion I know.

[shy latch]

it's not unpopular, it's simply what needed to stay in BF2042 because, as I stated several times already, 2042 wasn't developed with classes in mind

and because 2042 was developed like that, also the specialists doesn't have (even now) a specific class

[pastel loom]

I see

[shy latch]

I mean, just take in consideration Dozer, Boris, Crawford, Irish, Paik and Rao: do they fit 100% their classes? no

[arctic grove]

anyone knows why isnt the textures loading fully?

[next onyx]

Full auto.

[arctic grove]

im on high settings

[signal basin]

I hate how close the view models are to the camera in this game.

[shy latch]

plus, now it's the first time ever that the old support class (ammo suppliers) and assault class (medics) are merged together and that's a non-sense and unbalance issue

[next onyx]

❤️

[shy latch]

do you have the game installed on HDD or SATA SSD?

[arctic grove]

i do have a wierd bug were in menu i cannot click anything... keeps going up without any input pressed! ive a clip i could share
Already deleted game - delete whole document file with profile- unplugged all peripherals

[arctic grove]

samsung 980 ssd

[shy latch]

strange, I don't know then

[cedar ember]

had that happen when i joined portal servers for the first time for some reason

just restarting my pc by the next day fixed it

[arctic grove]

also had the black screen again while leaving the server

is there no inspect weapon in this game

[eager spire]

no

[arctic grove]

why do i have weapon skins if i cant inspect them

make it happen lol

[cedar ember]

i'll ask mr.dice right now

[next onyx]

Might go for 10K Ak24 honestly.

[low timber]

What T1’s are you planning to get next?

[next onyx]

Great engineer weapon and after the recoil bug was mostly fixed it just feels good.

I might get the MTAR done.

[low timber]

Probably gonna get the GVT 45-70 done today, and then move to NVK-S22

[next onyx]

Sounds good.

I wish the p125 got a new skin.

[low timber]

And 80 kills away to T2 the NVK-P125

[next onyx]

I like its tier 1 but something asides from that would be nice.

Oooo.

[low timber]

I wish the universal skins were a bit better

Like Way compare the MP28 and PF51 with the blood moon skin

MP28 looks way better

[next onyx]

I'll do that later.

[low timber]

As it has other materials, while PF51 is just the red and gold 99%

[next onyx]

Season 2 tier 1 guns are kinda whatever.

They look cheap.

Like plastic.

[low timber]

But the MP28 looks nice with the near matte black frame

[next onyx]

Yeah it would.

[arctic grove]

i do have a wierd bug were in menu i cannot click anything... keeps going up without any input pressed! ive a clip i could share
Already deleted game - delete whole document file with profile- unplugged all peripherals
https://streamable.com/1djmo5

[low timber]

A universal matte colors would be a nice weapon skins

[next onyx]

I'd say do you have your controller plugged in but clearly you don't.

Try giving the forums a bit of a gander.

[low timber]

As some guns just look terrible with the current universals because of how worn out they look like, or dirty (looking at you G57 grip)

[next onyx]

I do wish we got some solid colour skins.

Like with the AK24.

And or off hardline.

[low timber]

The first free universal skin we got from the pre seasons is the one universal skin I’ve used almost exclusively

[next onyx]

The ice like one?

[low timber]

The grey and blue ish

[next onyx]

Uhhh I know what you mean.

Yeah.

I like the black and teal like one.

[low timber]

It even hides the worn out look the most

[next onyx]

There's a universal vehicle skin that I wish was a weapon skin.

It's part of a bundle.

[arctic grove]

32%.. still waiting

[next onyx]

It's black with a bunch of worm out diagonal lines on it.

[low timber]

The green WWII skins is my second most used universal

And I only used it on DXR-1, G57 and Avancys

[next onyx]

OH.

That one.

[arctic grove]

it’s taking a long time to download bf2042

[low timber]

Hostile Takeover

[shy latch]

Origin and EA App are bad launchers, every game is slow to download

[arctic grove]

Its megabytes/seconds

Not slow

[rapid moon]

This reminded me of the single charge med pen and how dumb it is imo

[arctic grove]

dam

[upbeat sand]

All the footage I've seen from the eod is third person

Does the thing have a first person mode like bf4

[lyric snow]

remove nightbird already

[mossy badge]

I don't think it will happen

[sour steeple]

yes

[upbeat sand]

Few

[pearl ridge]

Nightbirds need to have physics actually apply to them.

[next onyx]

Yeah there's a first persona perspective to the EOD bot.

[pearl ridge]

At this point I’m willing to call their peak manoeuvrability an outright bug

[upbeat sand]

Sounds like time to get the dart gun and a Jav friend

[pearl ridge]

How’s that any different to a stinger

Flares nullify tags

[lilac dust]

That moment when you're thinking to yourself "GAWWWD DAMN Pilot get a move on you're barely moving" .... and then you realize the entire condor is just AI ....... 😐

[pearl ridge]

Figures that the fourth best attack chopper pilot in the world is on our side and he fucking sucks at teamplay.

Goddamn heli mains are all the same.

Nothing but k/d chasers

[sour steeple]

what else should attack/nightbird pilots do than shooting ppl. thats what these helis are for.

[opal swallow]

Anyone else has lcmg missing 2.5x thermal?

[shy latch]

not all thermals (1.25x , 2.5x , 6x) are available on all weapons, some weapon have just 2 out of 3, some others have just 1

and some (the secondary weapons if I'm correct) have none

[frank sable]

after work i hope i beat alot of people this time with sws10

[forest agate]

no

[gloomy wyvern]

What were the mag changes they are talking about?

[dapper narwhal]

sadly dice doesnt have any falk in their team that could revive their game

brouh

[upbeat sand]

Imagine Falk irl

What would they look like

[dapper narwhal]

they nerfed drum mags and now they are reversing that because players are upset lma9

[elfin void]

they didnt nerf anything

the animation is longer but you can shoot as if you were in ADS after aiming

[dapper narwhal]

you can correct my words

[elfin void]

Its probably good if you provide information thats true

[dapper narwhal]

i dont give a blob about these nerfs so I might be wrong

[upbeat sand]

Jeez I didn't realise Enders makes a video every day

[shy latch]

actually she exist, there is an actress "giving the face" to Maria Falck, isn't a charachter made from scratch

[gloomy wyvern]

They would probably look like the voice of Falk: Gabrielle Fritz

[gloomy wyvern]

So we're upset that it takes longer to reload by .5sec

[elfin void]

It's not a reload issue

[next onyx]

Time to ads.

[elfin void]

There's a dev that has a personal vendetta against extended/drum mags and wants them nerfed hard

[quaint vector]

Time for Ads.?

[next onyx]

It's affected the time to ads but in reality it's made the animations longer.

This is proven if you fire immediately when aiming your shots will be dead centre.

[gloomy wyvern]

Let me rephrase the question:

What were the mag changes they were talking about?

[next onyx]

Extended and drum mags take longer to ads with.

[gloomy wyvern]

Thanks

[elfin void]

They want to make them less viable, and right now the animation before you are fully ADS is longer.

Which is weird cause LMGs are fine with way bigger mags

Plus it goes against the flow of the game. 2042 is very fast paced and then they artificially slow you down with longer ADS. Basically forcing you to pre aim everything

[shy latch]

and the ads timing isn't slight, it's very noticeable

[elfin void]

I just don't understand the whole nerfing mags thing anyway

[shy latch]

there is a huge difference between standard and extended/drum mags right now

[elfin void]

Who are you targeting

[chilly jacinth]

you

[elfin void]

I'm flattered

[shy latch]

well, nerfing the ext/drum mags honestly isn't a bad idea, but in other ways rather than ads time

[next onyx]

Don't think at the moment this isn't how you do it.

I don't mind the changes too much but they were over done to hell.

[elfin void]

It's just that everyone benefits from the fast ADS.

[next onyx]

I would of preferred a slightly longer reload and a slightly slower ads time.

[elfin void]

It's not like a specific group is at a huge disadvantage because of it

[low timber]

Way did you see Temporyal’s new tweet yet?

[next onyx]

The issue is that there's no downsides to extended mags.

Yeah just did and I'm looking it up.

[elfin void]

Ask yourself, should there be a downside?

Like it's not an unfair advantage. Everyone has access to it and it's not overpowered

[next onyx]

I do think there should since versus other games you're not trading attachments for a larger mag.

In bfh you had to pick between a stock, a laser or ap rounds for an extended mag.

[elfin void]

But why compare to other games

That doesn't benefit this game

[next onyx]

Because as I just stated in this game there's no trade off.

[elfin void]

So you said. But why does there need to be one

Its not like in COD where you have 5 attachments and can let go of an extended mag for an increase in hipfire or ADS time

[next onyx]

To allow some variety. To give the smaller mags a proper niche/use.

[elfin void]

That seems too forced

[next onyx]

Just a big note.

[elfin void]

Extended mags are a straight upgrade people work towards.

[next onyx]

I'm not a fan of the direction how much they pushed their extended mag nerf.

[elfin void]

I know

[next onyx]

I think there should be some drawback. Not a giant screw you.

[shy latch]

nobody is

[elfin void]

I think people shouldnt be punished in any way for picking a bigger magazine, other than longer reload

[next onyx]

At the current moment with how the engine treats guns and the ads animations they may as well increase the reload speeds slightly.

[shy latch]

and I'm not sure because I didn't do any test with video clips, but I'm pretty sure that the ads time with drum mag is more than doubled compared to standard ones

even tho I'm wrong, actually there is still a huge difference between the two

[lilac dust]

https://twitter.com/temporyal/status/1622218487023165442/photo/1

[chilly jacinth]

game just ignored 20 bullets pumped into a stationary target that was 10m away

thanks dice

[sweet bone]

I dont get it why I have to lead a target whos 6 feet away from me

[chilly jacinth]

because low as fuck bullet velocity

[lilac dust]

because M39 EMR

[sweet bone]

Its with every gun

Even shotguns

Instead of new containers buff the mcs 880

[sweet bone]

Since battlefield is striving towards relism what type of walmart ammo does it take to achieve that effect irl..?

[elfin void]

BF isnt striving for realism (anymore)

Never were tbh

[sweet bone]

Emphasis on the anymore

[lilac dust]

Battlefield is striving for containers

[shy latch]

again with the story of realism.... 😮‍💨

[slow tulip]

Older bf titles are much better than bf2042

[wide shore]

Emphasis on the “never were tbh”

[slow tulip]

Was bf ever realistic?

Arma 3 is realistic

[elfin void]

Luckily for the muh old BF crowd, you can still play those! :)

[slow tulip]

Bf2042 still doesn't have the class system

[wide shore]

Battlefield has some realistic elements but no. It’s not realistic and doesn’t try to be

[wide shore]

It was literally just added on Tuesday

[elfin void]

Watch him say something along the lines of its not a true class system

[boreal widget]

BF was never realistic from the start tbh

[elfin void]

Diversifying playstyles with specialists within a class system is amazing

[slow tulip]

Only gadgets and throwables are restricted to specific classes

[wide shore]

So, a better system

[still vault]

The "class system" has changed every game. It's never been the same from 1 title to another through the entire series.

[orchid jacinth]

How do you unlock vault weapons if you have to get kills with said vault weapon?

[slow tulip]

I don't call a recon carrying a lmg is a class system

[elfin void]

You can get those in Portal @orchid jacinth

[next onyx]

All they do is give us toys from things in real life and allows us to go ham with it.

[boreal widget]

Portal

[wide shore]

You can use other weapons.

[elfin void]

2 of 2
verb
reconned; reconning; recons
transitive verb

: to conduct a preliminary and especially an exploratory survey of : to do a reconnaissance of (something)
In another village we sent an advance party to recon the place.
—Wallace Terry```

[chilly jacinth]

it says what other weapon you can use to unlock it

[next onyx]

Oh no a recon running an lmg.

HAH. Anyways!

[orchid jacinth]

But portal games don’t count do they? Only the “features” ones

[elfin void]

Where does it say long range, at a distance, or anything like that

[wide shore]

I’d call only engineers getting access to rocket launchers a class system

[boreal widget]

What's wrong with recon running lmg lol

as long as they spot the enemies for me, I don't care what they run

[elfin void]

I dont really touch Portal ever so I wouldnt know sorry

[next onyx]

The ak24 is a good engineer gun.

[slow tulip]

Restricting gadgets and throwables don't make much difference

[chilly jacinth]

it does though

alot

[next onyx]

It tells us what gadgets to expect.

[boreal widget]

It does

[frank sable]

Where i can find the soflam?

[elfin void]

Recon kit

[boreal widget]

prime example is Rao can't run a launcher anymore

[slow tulip]

Recons are meant to be like snipers, they should be limited to dmr and sniper rifles

[boreal widget]

and that's already huge

[orchid jacinth]

The home made games don’t count for anything besides unlocking gadgets now 😒

[next onyx]

It's such a massive change.

[next onyx]

Now he can be more of a pain in the ass with a dart gun.

[elfin void]

Recon isnt a sniper. Recon is scouting ahead, gathering intel etc

[boreal widget]

Recon is to scout an area. There's sth called Aggressive Recon in military doctrine

[elfin void]

Has nothing to do with long range weapons

[next onyx]

Back in bf3 and bf4 recons would run smgs or carbines.

[wide shore]

Check the unlock requirements for the vault weapons. They always have another gun to use to unlock it.

For example the PP2000 you can unlock it by getting 100 kills with the PP2000 OR the MP9

[next onyx]

They were dubbed aggressive recons.

[boreal widget]

as long as they can scout an area and brings back valuable intel for the team, they are a recon

[next onyx]

Because of their gadgets.

[boreal widget]

doesn't matter they do it from afar or in cqc

[next onyx]

It's counter intuitive in my opinion to run and lmg on recon. I think if you want aggro recon, an smg or a vcar is all you need.

[shy latch]

weren't SMGs for engineers?

[next onyx]

Hence the or.

In bf3 they were all kit.

[boreal widget]

recon job is providing intel and creating a frontline respawn point

[next onyx]

In 4 they were engineer weapons.

[wide shore]

How is Paik supposed to be an effective recon at long range with her ability anyway?

[elfin void]

They added SMGs to Support because with reviving you're usually in CQB

[slow tulip]

Is recon supposed to carry a lmg?

[elfin void]

They can if they want to.

[boreal widget]

aggressive recon

tho her kit suit for solo play tbh

[elfin void]

Hard disagree

[next onyx]

I actually had some success with her going aggro with the tugs.

[boreal widget]

she doesn't help the team much if she doesn't communicate with the squad

[next onyx]

And the vcar.

[elfin void]

Paik is the one you want to go behind enemy lines, place a beacon and hit them from 2 sides

[next onyx]

Though you can do the same with rao.

[elfin void]

Ive been playing pretty much exclusively Paik and I am loving every second of it

[boreal widget]

that's the beacon and not really her specialized kit

[next onyx]

I'm trying to find a recon to play.

[boreal widget]

Rao and Casper can do the same

[next onyx]

I dunno. Rao or Paik do it but they also don't.

[elfin void]

Her kit marks any enemy that she damages

[boreal widget]

oh they changed that?

[elfin void]

And her scan allows you to clear rooms for your team. Especially corner rats that medics otherwise would die to

[next onyx]

I like rushing with smoke and placing a tugs in the centre of the enemy team.

Chances are if they don't find it you spot the entire enemy team in that point.

[elfin void]

The amount of times I've saved teammates from people prone in random spots

[next onyx]

Yeah they changed paiks and raos passive a few months ago.

[elfin void]

So yeah I'd say Paik is very much a team oriented specialist

[boreal widget]

then that's good then

[boreal widget]

didn't really notice

[next onyx]

Rao gained paiks passive and paik inherited a passive from portal.

[slow tulip]

Previous bf titles had better class system

[boreal widget]

then again I barely use those 2

[next onyx]

Yeah I'm not for recon either.

Assault is my go to.

[boreal widget]

I will give Rao a try once my buddies are back online again

[next onyx]

Though I may play recon more now that it's better.

Tugs plus vcar is so good.

[elfin void]

Ideal squad is probably Zain, Falck, Paik, Boris

[pearl ridge]

Rao’s job is ‘fuck that vehicle entirely’

And it’s always justified

[slow tulip]

Liz is better

[elfin void]

Liz cant wield a Javelin so she's inferior

Sorry bud

[boreal widget]

I run Casper a ton but I don't think drone C4 is his intention usage but whatever. As long as it works

[next onyx]

Different niches I'd argue.

[slow tulip]

Liz has a tmg

[next onyx]

But the Javelin is crazy good.

[elfin void]

Which can easily be shot down

[shy latch]

simply because because were "born" and developed with classes in mind, 2042 wasn't at all

[next onyx]

Javelin does 60 to a painted target.

Which is passive.

[boreal widget]

Jav is better for ground target. Liz launcher is way better for harassing air vehicles

[next onyx]

60 to painted armour.

[boreal widget]

know how to pre aim and you can snipe down jets on the fly

[slow tulip]

Wasn't developed with anything in mind then the condition the game was released in

[cedar shell]

Can Casper still use c5?

[elfin void]

Again not true, you have a recon running the tracer dart and then air vehicles also are toast

[next onyx]

It will instantly kill all air vehicles that is not an transport helo.

Yeah wasteland.

[cedar shell]

Woo I might come back

Ty

[pearl ridge]

Pretty sure flares nullify tracer darts though

[next onyx]

They do.

[boreal widget]

which is why Liz is still better against air imo

[elfin void]

Something I havent tried but, can you actually shoot a tracer dart thats on your vehicle?

[next onyx]

If you catch them out at a good time they're gone.

[boreal widget]

can't really dodge sth you actively control

and that thing is mad fast rn

[elfin void]

Because I feel like being able to delete a tracer dart from your vehicle goes a long way for balancing it out

[next onyx]

It's just normal balance logic.

It's good.

[elfin void]

Im not sure what you mean by that

[low timber]

33 on painted MAV

[next onyx]

33???

[low timber]

Yup

[elfin void]

MAV is strong

[low timber]

Just shot at one

[elfin void]

Defensive powerhouse

[boreal widget]

damn

[elfin void]

It takes quite a few tank shells as well

[next onyx]

Fucking stupid bulk.

[elfin void]

Also

[next onyx]

I get its a transport. But a bit crazy.

[elfin void]

Longest shot so far on an air vehicle

[low timber]

And I think it deals 31 on direct

[pearl ridge]

God help you if someone’s repairing the thing

[elfin void]

Where is my marksman bonus on that

[pearl ridge]

Best way to kill MAVs is probably to dart them and slam two javs into them before they can get away

[elfin void]

Have you guys tried out that damage counter feature yet?

Where it shows you how much damage you've dealt to vehicles/enemies

[next onyx]

Yeah.

[elfin void]

And ?

[pearl ridge]

Is it in game

Because if it isn’t it’s useless

[next onyx]

Bad for infantry. Good for vehicles.

It goes away the instant you kill someone which gets confusing.

[elfin void]

Oh

I mean with vehicles you usually get to know how many shots it takes to take out something

[next onyx]

Vehicles it's a bit slower paced and easier to see but for infantry since it goes so fast you want to know how much health they had when you killed them in the event of a quick kill.

[jovial whale]

how is the mp28?

[next onyx]

It's ok.

450 rpm 4hk pistol. Lots of accuracy, good for hipfire.

Actually nah. Best hipfire semi auto pistol.

[elfin void]

So should probs linger a bit longer then

It is very much experimental so Im sure theyll get it right with some tweaks

[next onyx]

P125 rivals it but that operates differently.

Yeah they've gotten it there 99%.

[elfin void]

I listened to the podcasts they put out

I think DRUNKZ made the feature?

[jovial whale]

whats the diffrence between exodus conquest and normal

[next onyx]

Not sure. I meant to listen to the last one but there was so much drama.

[lucid goblet]

exodus has limited map pool

[next onyx]

Exodus has 64 players with portal maps.

[jovial whale]

oh k

[elfin void]

128p Conquest plays a lot better since 3.2

[next onyx]

I had some guy in the eod bot repair my tank on bt today and it was cute.

I'm busy firing and backing off not realising hey there's this little bot repairing me.

[jovial whale]

there is no xp cap in portal right?

[final plume]

Guys if you hack an enemy with Rao everyone around him will be revealed?

[next onyx]

Mostly.

[final plume]

Or after killing the hacked guy it'll be revealed?

[next onyx]

They cut cyberwarfare suit out.

So no.

[jovial whale]

if it says full xp there is no cap then right?

[next onyx]

Yes.

[final plume]

I was thinking about counter smoke operator.

[pearl ridge]

How many players out there do you think are overlevelled due to abusing Portal modes

[severe sierra]

I’m so glad the vector is finally in battlefield

By far my favorite SMG across all games

[balmy umbra]

So which mode is actually active now? I tried conquest 128 that was empty. Tried Breakthrough that was also empty. Breakthrough Breakaway and you guessed it. Also empty

[severe sierra]

That’s weird I get full games constantly