battlefield-2042

[hard geyser]

With not waiting for revives or just not even trying

[spiral folio]

Wrong

[fervent rose]

@mental delta you can shoot for days now as mackay

[mental delta]

Lol he became the true support guy

[fickle bison]

You can't tell me this movement and ads shit is what WE (the community) wanted??

[next onyx]

My favourite part of this.

"Revives and kills with the defibs"

[hard geyser]

It's normal that you need to re-up ammo after a few kills. Shouldn't have like 4 mags anyways

[viral oasis]

This is GOOD

I need T1 in that, finally

[mental delta]

Btw don't you guys think it's strange to put SMG proficiencies to support and LMG proficiencies to engineer ?

[hard geyser]

Oh nice

Another grind

[thick shadow]

That's debatable since everyone is entitled to their own opinion and has the right to think theirs is correct and others are wrong

[viral oasis]

the times you'd zap people with defibs right round the corner

[hard geyser]

Us falck players should get it for free lol

[spiral folio]

If you're always screaming "PTFO" and within 20m of an enemy you'll get ammo from pickups. Any more than that and you'll need to find allies with a rare ammo box

[viral oasis]

or if they wanted to get you while reviving someone

[next onyx]

Everyone's running an ammo box and are liberally dropping them which refills my med pen and armour plate.

[viral oasis]

they'll hopefully fix the ADS stuff

[fervent rose]

you carry hundreds of bullets with the plus system

its not a problem

[viral oasis]

or i hope

[spiral folio]

If you need ammo just say
"Cant find ammo, redeploying"

[viral oasis]

no, you need to drop boxes

[hard geyser]

Or use your minimap

[viral oasis]

im not typing all that

[fervent rose]

i only run into ammo problems on very specific guns like the bsvm

[spiral folio]

Its ok guys i can just respawn

[fervent rose]

everything else i feel you're bathing in ammo

[thick shadow]

I'm assuming you don't like to play as support

[next onyx]

Don't have to worry about armour here.

Not armour.

[tough wolf]

WTF!? I CANT EQUIP THROVING KNIVES ON FALCK ANYMORE!?

[next onyx]

Ammo.

[spiral folio]

Lis is engineer so

[tough wolf]

AGGG UNINSTALLING NOw

[next onyx]

240 rounds with drum mag SCAR be like yes.

[hard geyser]

It's interesting that people don't like it. Maybe it's cause you still have access to all guns

[fickle bison]

yup

[thick shadow]

I never used armor

[fickle bison]

like this makes sense

[hard geyser]

But it's forcing you to have to play a certain way and adapt. Better then before for team work

Try and start using the mic too. No one on bf talks

[thick shadow]

That's gonna take a bit for some since team play has died ages ago

[fickle bison]

bro fucking pistol has ads speed like ntw used to have

this makes no sense

[spiral folio]

You don't have full access because you do suffer a slight penalty

[fickle bison]

Do they even play their game?

[hard geyser]

No throwing knife on falck if kinda odd lol

Is

[thick shadow]

Let falck throw syringes

[spiral folio]

Its not fully blocked access except some gadgets and throwables ARE fully blocked for some classes

[fervent rose]

falck gets to defib kill people

so knifey goes away

[viral oasis]

so now all we n need is:

[fickle bison]

bad trade

[spiral folio]

A knife by any other name

[fervent rose]

it is what it is @fickle bison

[hard geyser]

Man it must just must be me but when I play I'm always trying to give objectives call outs. Talk to my teammates. It just never really matters lol

[viral oasis]

spectator mode
all game chat
squad management
inbuilt TAA removal/customisation
platoons
levolution / real destruction

[ancient peak]

Take off the drum mag

[viral oasis]

give me that before you end support for the game and i'll be happy

[green ore]

Is anybody else getting bad fps on manifest? My gpu is working on 42% but cpu is pretty high somehow

[frosty mural]

Wait. This was never in the game? Lol

[thick shadow]

Bro what if we can use our primary as a bat whenever we're dry

[hard geyser]

What's your combo? Even with a 5800x and 3080 at 1440p it's not 100%

[fervent rose]

@frosty mural the gadget was only in portal modes before this patch. previously defib was just part of the animation

[next onyx]

They were but only in portal. Now they have been reused for 2042.

[thick shadow]

Same, I like to play as a team but it's hard to if your teammates aren't cooperating

[hard geyser]

Unless they fixed that today

[hard geyser]

Yeah I mostly stick to just highlighting objectives

[next onyx]

Like I said, You can see vehicles through player smoke with thermals.

Not a bad idea overall.

[twin finch]

Suddenly a big ass update

[next onyx]

Yeah.

Rebalance of everything.

Which is for the better.

[twin finch]

1 hour and 22 min

[spiral folio]

Suddenly
Theyve been threatening it for a month or so

[hard plume]

Soooo every battlefield game ever than

[calm bison]

I see all these people complaining about the new control schemes for the plus menu on Reddit

[twin finch]

Yeah hope new weapons next update didn't see that

[calm bison]

Jokes on them

I don’t have that problem

Because the only custom controls I have are for aircraft

[thick shadow]

Pretty much lmao

[twin finch]

Don't rlly see how the game is "bad" now

[hard plume]

It’s very annoying

[twin finch]

It's pretty fun

[hard geyser]

How's the mtar feel?

[calm bison]

All you have to do is reset to default and then go from there

[next onyx]

It's ok.

OH FUCK.

[hard geyser]

Jack said it wasn't that good 😦

[next onyx]

I need to test damage numbers.

Yeah gimme a bit.

[calm bison]

Just set your controller mappings to default and customize

[hard plume]

Frags? Really?

[calm bison]

That’s what I’ve seen

I’ve yet to try out this update

[hard geyser]

I think he did it didn't feel the best lol

Said

But I skimmed it

[fickle bison]

Still didn't fix the 100% cpu usage? XD

[twin ledge]

Does javelin require you to hold target locked or is it fire and forget like it was in portal?

[hard plume]

So this update will either revive this game, or kill it faster.

Generally players don’t take kindly to big shifts in meta like this

[humble palm]

why is the new update 56gb??

[thick shadow]

Wdym

It was like 4gb for me

[humble palm]

53 gb on disk for me on steam

[thick shadow]

Damn

[idle lion]

thats when its being installed

[humble palm]

oh yeah

[thick shadow]

I'm not a pc user so I can't say

[idle lion]

during download its 7

[calm bison]

So far 2042 has 15K current players for steam

[humble palm]

forgot

[fickle bison]

it will kill it faster. People that stuck with the game mostly liked it because it had fast movement and no bs like ads speed

[nova idol]

Can you not damage players with the eod bot

[calm bison]

Now this could just be the usual spike for updates

[humble palm]

theyre gonna be making changes to ads speed and stuff?

[hard geyser]

Really crazy to me that how it should of launched can kill the game. Like this is all I thought about when playing the og system. Why aren't we locked behind certain things and why can we do everything. And I just read on Reddit that they changed origin on steam to ea app and that might of did that averag

[nova idol]

Also, whats a good keybind for the attatchment menu now that grenade is on lb

[thick shadow]

Imagine killing a tank with ammo boxes

Or angels supply drop

[calm bison]

This is the first time I have seen such a negative reception to an update a lot of people asked for

Like I understand hatred towards updates like 5.2

Hell I hated it

But this

This is nothing compared to that hell

[hard geyser]

Are you talking about the first few updates? Cause yes I agree with you lol

[next onyx]

MTAR 21.
5HK - 30m
6hk - 75m.
7HK beyond.

Biggest weakness to the MTAR is its spread and reload.

[calm bison]

5.2 actually ran the risk of killing BFV because so many people hated it

[next onyx]

Which is fine.

[hard geyser]

Oh that update

[calm bison]

3.2 just removes a few angsty people

[hard geyser]

That one was bad too though.

Not too

[fervent rose]

5.2 was a nightmare

[hard geyser]

But

[fervent rose]

i remember 5.2 fg42

do you

[calm bison]

Yes

Unusable past 10m

[fervent rose]

complete garbage patch

[mental delta]

They said they changed something about Angel Loadout crate, what did they change ?

[hard geyser]

It wasnt like something that benefitted the game.. I forgot the exact but didn't it just make the game a smg game only

All I use is that type 2 gun and you never die

[calm bison]

You can now change to any primary weapon

[humble palm]

finallyyyyyyy

[ancient peak]

Honestly not surprised. Battlefield “fans” are so damn knee jerky and quick to scream “TRASH” or “BEST UPDATE EVAR.” The update has been out for not even a day. People need to be reasonable and give it time to allow for the meta to reshape itself.

Jokes on me for thinking people can be reasonable though.

[mental delta]

What does it mean ? You can only change your primary weapon if you want to ?

[hard geyser]

All guns

[calm bison]

If Angel spawns a crate then yes

[next onyx]

267 ms ttk.

[calm bison]

You can change your AK to a PKP

[fickle bison]

After over 1 year they need to readapt to such a patch?

Idk man

[kindred flint]

How's the m39?

[hard geyser]

How's the recoil

[fervent rose]

@mental delta you only have 1 loadout per class so you just get access to the whole list in angel crate

[next onyx]

Straight vertical.

[twin finch]

Nah you've got a point

[next onyx]

It kicks hard-ish.

[mental delta]

Ha ok thanks

[hard geyser]

Thanks

[next onyx]

66 MS TTK if both shots hit the head close up.

200 if only one bullet hits the head and the rest to the body.

267 average.

[mental delta]

I get it ok thanks

[next onyx]

Which is pretty competitive.

[hard geyser]

How's that new map though

I feel that's going to get forgot about it seems

No one talking about it lol

[clever marlin]

what new map

[hard geyser]

My bad

Rework

[clever marlin]

oh breakaway?

[hard geyser]

Breakaway

Yes

[clever marlin]

thats a rework but tbh imma try it later

[hard plume]

Because it’s such a hige diversion from what it was, basically the people who liked how 2042 was/was used to it, feel how old bf players felt when they added the specialist.

[clever marlin]

looks very good thugh

[fervent rose]

breakaway went from a 2/10 to somewhat playable

[ancient peak]

Idk. If we are talking about the ADS nerf I think it’s a bit harsh BUT there needed to be something done since there were no downsides to using drum mags over anything else. Longer reload made no difference.

If we are speaking to the class changes, as much as I liked the freedom of choice I admit that allowing everyone to use a recoilless for example made balancing a nightmare.

[eager spire]

i am being reasonable. The drum and extended mags did not need a nerf, saying that they did is unreasonable.

[arctic grove]

When the community asks to have the game fixed, but instead revamps the control layout for consoles, which causes more issues & impacts game play. New control set up it buggy as hell.

[hard plume]

Sooo 3.5? Lol

[next onyx]

It feels good.

There's a lot of flow.

[fervent rose]

at least a 4 now i'd say lol

[hard plume]

Hahaha

[fervent rose]

but seriously old breakaway bt layout was terrible, its better

[ripe hedge]

For now

[hard plume]

Idk how it was in conquest but in breakthrough, 128, it sucked balls

[mental delta]

Update 3.2 modified gamemodes ?

[hard geyser]

Awesome. I should try it myself now! Thanks

[next onyx]

I was gonna dm you about it. It's a very good gun.

[tough wolf]

yup. literally predicted this. very annoying if you ask me.

[next onyx]

I think that it is well balanced.

It is a close range annihilator.

[fervent rose]

breakaway rework, the new layout for breakthrough is much better

[tough wolf]

I just want the vault weapons to perform like AoW weapons. NOt hav all this shitty spread, and slow ass reload times.

[twin ledge]

So for javelin to do top down attack someone needs to paint the target?

[next onyx]

But the long reload means you must dedicate.

[fickle bison]

Sure, you got a point. But this whole ads thíng, included with the drum mags, will just get more people to lay down or sit in corners. Also the new movement, it's so unbelievably slow compared to before. They can't just change it after over one year. And guess what they still didn't change, the cpu usage bug, the tdm join bug and the input delay bug

[naive magnet]

What’s the javelins effective range?

[low timber]

450m

[ancient peak]

It’s called having a downside. That’s not inherently a bad thing. What is a bad thing is how hard of a nerf it was.

If you had drum/extended was there any reason to use any other magazines? At all?

[next onyx]

IT'S SO WEIRD BUT I LOVE IT.

[fickle bison]

I mean, g57 now ads's with the speed the ntw had. You can't tell me that is good

[clever marlin]

i saw brokenmachine using it

it looks really nice

[eager spire]

They already had like 3 downsides before this though.

[fervent rose]

they put the oil rig in between the cavern and warehouse, its like a linear map now starting up top on the ice

[naive magnet]

Is the javelin equally powerful to Stinger?

[next onyx]

Not a fan of its thick reticule though.

[clever marlin]

thats the 2.5x scope

[low timber]

No, Javelin is Way powerful

[next onyx]

The biggest downside of drums was just that it extended the reloads.

[clever marlin]

the 1.25 is fine

[next onyx]

Javelin is busted.

My tank was hit for 89 by a darted Javelin.

[naive magnet]

Is vehicle meta basically squashed by javelin right now?

[next onyx]

And I couldn't even do anything about it.

Uh.

[low timber]

You get it Way?
Way powerful

[clever marlin]

they pushed the slow ADS for drum mags

[fervent rose]

why does there need to be a downside to drums that feels like absolute dog poop?

[next onyx]

To be honest.

[ember charm]

Javelin targeting air is silly

[clever marlin]

the glock supposedly

[next onyx]

I don't feel it's super constricting.

Huehuehue Marse haha.

[clever marlin]

has a slower ads than an MG with no drums

[next onyx]

The balance was rushed but I know that it can be balanced.

[fervent rose]

like use the xm8 after using scar drum and tell me it makes sense

[eager spire]

Like you can't just make sweeping changes like this after a year of the game being the way it was previously with no complaints. Genuinely, there was not a single damn problem with how the game was prior to this.

[fervent rose]

its incoherent

[ember charm]

To be fair the G57 needed a nerf

[twin ledge]

Isn't that kinda the point of progression though? Things you unlock later should be more powerful compared to starter gear. If something you grind for is just a downgrade what's the point of having it?

[eager spire]

This change just strikes me as trying to stay busy.

[next onyx]

It needed a proper balance adjustment.

[kindred flint]

What is this monstrosity

[next onyx]

It's the new thermal 1.25x sight.

[mental delta]

A lot of people asked for classes though

[kindred flint]

what absolute garbage

[next onyx]

And this is the XM's thermal.

[clever marlin]

that looks not horrible

[eager spire]

i am not talking about classes, i am talking about the drum and extended mag nerf.

[next onyx]

By the way I can carry a total of 18 40 MM's on my SCAR.

[ancient peak]

I’ll have to see for myself when I finally play the update. I’m not going to mold my opinion based on what people say in a forum for good or ill. I also won’t discount their opinion as overly negative or positive.

Ultimately DICE can change what they want whether we like it or not. They’ve done it before and they’ve done it now. You either make a stink about it and hope it changes, enjoy the changes or begrudgingly accept them and find a different approach.

[hard plume]

I gotta get 50 kills to unlock it tho 😭

[eager spire]

I have no strong opinions on the new class system.

[mental delta]

Lol shit my bad dude

[next onyx]

6 40 MM HE, 6 40 MM AP and 6 40 MM INC.

It's not too annoying, Cobra.

[stark cipher]

Bruhh classes in bf2042 is not even classes?

[hard plume]

What they nerf?

[fickle bison]

Bro how you got 165fps in breakthrough

please, tell me

[fervent rose]

takes 2 years to bring up your sight in ADS now @hard plume

[hard plume]

It is for the crossbow lol

[next onyx]

I have a 5800x3d.

Play against bots.

[eager spire]

they nerfed ADS speed when having any drum or extended mags equipped. it's literally slower than LMG's.

[next onyx]

You can get it that way.

[twin ledge]

Imagine that with rao

[hard geyser]

New thermal looks fire

[twin ledge]

Tanks would be no more

[next onyx]

Yeah you can't though.

[fickle bison]

yeah same here

[next onyx]

But yeah.

It would be crazy.

I also have a 3080.

[clever marlin]

the sfar needs a major rework

[next onyx]

With everything on high.

[ember charm]

They should of just had drums be as slow as LMGs, not worse

[clever marlin]

on its own it replaces a recoilless

[fickle bison]

Got a 3070 ti

[next onyx]

It does go from 130 to 165 depending on the situation.

[hard plume]

Oof thats ruff

[fickle bison]

I play on low and it drops like shit and got input delay like hell

[icy sentinel]

anybody know how works new class score system? i had 9 revive and get 5 points, other medic 15 revives and 50 points...

?

[eager spire]

it's ridiculous. It's unnecessary. It should be reverted.

[fickle bison]

On which res?

[naive magnet]

Points breakdown is on the scoreboard

[clever marlin]

oh yeah and apparently one of the stealth changes was you cant get attachments in bot matches anymore

[ancient peak]

Name the downsides to drum magazines.

[twin ledge]

Can anyone confirm, do you need a target to be painted for javelin to do a top down attack?

[next onyx]

I'm on 1440p.

I think so.

[fickle bison]

same pepecry

[ancient peak]

Yes.

[twin ledge]

wack

[eager spire]

-Lower ammo reserves
-Increased recoil
-Slower reload

[clever marlin]

i wouldnt mind more recoil in exchange for more ammo

[next onyx]

That is weird you should get more than that if everything is on low, Check how it is configged.

[clever marlin]

worse ADS is kinda dumb

[dense heron]

sorry for asking but what do "Exclusive Rewards for Year 1 Pass, Gold and Ultimate owner" give? bc got nothing

[fervent rose]

the LMGs have fast ads but a glock drum takes 1 month to ADS

makes sense

[fickle bison]

right

[next onyx]

Missed out tier 0 season rewards.

[ember charm]

A glock with a full mag drum would be heavy as hell to hold out with two arms

[clever marlin]

you never fired a gun then 😛

[next onyx]

Oh Jockey did you see the stats of the MTAR.

[ancient peak]

1. How often did that really affect you unless you’re running around lone wolf?
2. Not nearly enough considering the other attachments you could have to balance this out. Even with the drum mag the scar was still a laser
3. I can count on one hand the number of times I died while reloading a drum mag.

[ancient peak]

Nope.

[next onyx]

MTAR 21.
5HK - 30m
6hk - 75m.
7HK beyond.

[ember charm]

Plenty, but you are basically doubling the weight

[next onyx]

With the standard barrel.

[ancient peak]

Mm. So basically throw it on Dozer and nuke people at close range

[next onyx]

Basically.

[clever marlin]

and thats WITH a rpm of 750 rounds right?

[next onyx]

It should be 900.

[clever marlin]

oh my

thats definitely the next K30

[sharp marten]

Dawg ima be honest they’re always in here bitching about something

[formal imp]

Hay

[eager spire]

1. You still run out of ammo faster than you would with any other type of mag, which means you'd end up switching out to a lower capacity mag with the plus system anyway.
2. Recoil has been in need of adjustment since they fixed the recoil bug. This is not the fault of the drum mag.
3. it's still slower.

It genuinely was not a problem prior to recently. Where was this concern at any other point prior to this update? Why do they suddenly care about drum mags being OP over a year into the game?

[clever marlin]

i could understand it if TTK wasnt so bad in this game

[naive sandal]

I was right - the idiots have increased the wildcat lockon range vs jets to 750 m

[limber raft]

Q&A after 3.2 preview event. I don't know exactly who (at DICE) said that. It was just quoted.

[sharp marten]

Yeah that’s a good thing tbh I wish they’d make it so the wildcat could aim straight up

[hexed mango]

so how is it guys

[eager spire]

So it WAS dev rationale. Okay. Thank you for that.

[next onyx]

It's a good update, Echo.

Despite some of the issues.

[hexed mango]

like

[naive sandal]

Far too disruptive to jets - wildcats can now lock onto jets from across the map. Jets have to remain at fairly low altitudes to be effective vs other vehicles

[twin ledge]

wth are those hud colors

[fervent rose]

you pull the mouse down

most guns in this game are purely vertical recoil

[twin finch]

Interesting colors did you that yourself or is that a option?

[next onyx]

I play on invert.

Yeah it's an option.

I like the orang.

And I make the colours more vibrant so I'd react to them quickly.

[twin finch]

Yeah might steal that from you lol

[fervent rose]

yellow pops better than enemy red in 2042

[naive sandal]

Will be even worse on the newer maps that have a lower flight ceiling

[twin finch]

One of my friends did the same in Overwatch 2

[next onyx]

By the way. Thermals work through player smoke and as a result you can see vehicles and gadgets.

[ripe hedge]

Who!? I need to shout at someone!

[twin finch]

What weapons can use thermals?

[sharp marten]

Literally just fly low

[thick shadow]

Essential tips to trickshot with the medpack

[next onyx]

Erm. Fuck.

Assault rifles, LMG's and snipers I believe.

YO Wait.

Can the Rorsch use the thermal 6x.

[sharp marten]

Yes

[hexed mango]

it was in the podcast

probably tom

[eager spire]

TOM.

[stiff pollen]

yea

its 150 headshots with the rorsch

[next onyx]

MWAHAHAHA.

I HAVE A MASTER PLAN.

[hexed mango]

lol

[hexed mango]

no please

[next onyx]

Smoke launcher and Rorsch on a support.

As angel.

[clever marlin]

youre evil

[stiff pollen]

never shouldve gave me armor and med pen

[next onyx]

Become a shit stain to vehicles.

[next onyx]

Blame the region not me.

It's what turned me into this.

[clever marlin]

[hexed mango]

i love how they stressed that thermals will not go through smoke in the podcast

[fervent rose]

railgun doesnt really wreck vehicles anymore

[clever marlin]

good

[fervent rose]

a tickler now

[clever marlin]

because the sfar still does that

[next onyx]

Fucking @hexed mango's first thing that he witnessed in OCE was my clan mate in chat saying "I consume infants"

[naive sandal]

If you've ran out of flares (let's say in middle of a dogfight), a wildcat can pretty much kill you from across the map now (750-800 m away)

[clever marlin]

jesus christ

[thick shadow]

Still wish we could remove the underbarrel grenade launcher on the scar

[wise zodiac]

You consume infants?!

[clever marlin]

we need a scar light

[next onyx]

Not me.

my clan mate.

LET'S GO.

[next onyx]

THE KIWI WAS SLANDERING MY M1911 IN FAVOUR OF THE WALTHER.

NOBODY DOES THAT.

[hexed mango]

yes

[clever marlin]

the 1911 is overrated

PPK is better

[edgy oriole]

i mean its its not 1911 anymore old man

[hexed mango]

whats the new long range optic

[clever marlin]

thermal zoom scope

[thick shadow]

It's probably just me but sidearm feel so weird to shoot with in this game

[hexed mango]

no the new long range optic, not thermal

[bronze yoke]

There's some good news for any of you play hazard zone. The reworked breakaway is in it.

[quiet shell]

why is a thermal scope from the year 2038 bulkier than current thermal scopes

[stiff pollen]

thermal

[wise zodiac]

Big doubt. Kiwi's are cool! Theyve got Lord of the Rings fame.

[next onyx]

That's the long range optic.

[clever marlin]

oh i see what youre talking about

[next onyx]

oh wait.

I forgot about that.

[thick shadow]

Huh there's a new long range optic????

[hexed mango]

yeah

[clever marlin]

did they add the 40x scope for the rorsche

[next onyx]

No.

It has the short range, mid range and long range thermal scopes.

[hexed mango]

why does Cyberpunk have a 5gb update but no news

[formal imp]

Is the new portal marksman rifle any good?

[clever marlin]

oh is one of them the pso M1 scope?

[eager spire]

fuck you, no patch notes. figure it out yourself.

[hexed mango]

oh yeah way hows the mtar

[stiff pollen]

its fast

[clever marlin]

uh

[wide shore]

On PC?

[next onyx]

Not sure.

[fervent rose]

google is a magical thing

[clever marlin]

K30 pre patch good from what ive heard

[next onyx]

MTAR is alright.

Spread is an issue.

But it rips into people.

[hexed mango]

yeah steam has a 5gb update for me lol

[stiff pollen]

these servers are FUCKED

[hexed mango]

oh its the DLSS 3 update for pc

[next onyx]

Oh I just realised.

First of Feb.

[wide shore]

There’s apparently a DLSS 3 thing. Saw it on Twitter earlier.

Oh. Yeah

[hexed mango]

im faster than you

[granite island]

class system doesn't look too bad

[clever marlin]

wait

[granite island]

Kinda sad I can't use recoilless with angel tho

[clever marlin]

dlss 3?

[hexed mango]

yes

[clever marlin]

so no dlss 2.5?

[hexed mango]

dlss 3

no

dlss 3

[still musk]

Got mtar it's good

[hexed mango]

nice

[clever marlin]

this game is getting dlss 3?

[hexed mango]

i love me my mtar

[hexed mango]

no

[viral oasis]

is there a way to move my game from EA play to steam?

i know i have to still use EA play but still

[hexed mango]

cyberpunk just got a dlss 3 update, i doubt 2042 is getting one

[clever marlin]

im kinda suprised we havent got dlss 2.5 update yet

[fickle bison]

download it from steam into the folder you got it installed already, it will notice there are already files

[next onyx]

I might get my m1a5 to tier 1.

[fervent rose]

you can add non steam games to your steam library, if thats what you mean

[ancient peak]

1. Sure, but if you have to do that you’re either not picking up ammo from the dead bodies you just shwacked or you somehow can’t find one of the 31/63 other players on your team that either plays Angel or has a box. Idk not having more than 120 ready rounds in your drum mags wasn’t much of an issue for me considering I could consistently resupply myself.
2. Regardless of recoil needing a fix or not the drum mag does little in the way of affecting the weapon when you can counteract any minor (and it is minor) negative effects.
3. And if you’re reloading at the right time speed is irrelevant. Remember swapping to your sidearm is faster than reloading.

There wasn’t a concern from the community but for as far as we know DICE could’ve been aware of drum mags from jump street. And unless they flat out say why they made this change (which they won’t) they it’s all up in the air. If I had to make a guess: it made ARs with drum mags inherently better than ARs without any downsides that would warrant using the ARs. Now you could argue a better solution would be to provide these ARs with better tools than just nerfing drum mags, and you would have an argument there. However, you would be tooling a lot more than just flat nerfing a magazine type or two. (This is my assumption on what DICE chose and is not reflective of my full thoughts on the change. I’m answering your question based on how they’ve addressed changes in the game thus far)

[next onyx]

YO I wonder if Ashe is losing his shit.

[upbeat sluice]

NO THROWING KNIFE ON FALCK WTF

[hexed mango]

add it as a non-steam app
or buy it on steam

[viral oasis]

would it migrate my achievements and everything?

i've already bought it once

[hexed mango]

yeah only assault and recon

[viral oasis]

i don't wanna buy it again lol

[spiral folio]

I'm not climbing that whole wall to see the start of it

[fickle bison]

yes, it will

[hexed mango]

yeah so just add it as non-steam app

[arctic grove]

just stay on origin

[upbeat sluice]

Dumb shit

[arctic grove]

don't make this anymore worse

[hexed mango]

ea app > origin

steam > ea app

[next onyx]

Yeah I had concerns too cause you know. What does the reload time out mean on a drum mag.

[hexed mango]

what

hows the ads time nerf for drum

[arctic grove]

last time I used EA app, it had problems

[hexed mango]

its better now

[next onyx]

It's as bad as it seems.

[hexed mango]

ah

[fickle bison]

horrible

[arctic grove]

yeah? prove it

[next onyx]

I do have a clip.

[arctic grove]

does it now have locate game files

[hexed mango]

yes

[fervent rose]

it's fucking terrible, especially because lmg are still fast

[hexed mango]

it also imported my games from steam

[stiff pollen]

they hard nerfed the drum cause they dislike being idle and keeping shit that isnt broken fixed

[hexed mango]

ah.

[eager spire]

The reason why they made this change was already stated, BF Bulletin even quoted that reason, it's because apparently DICE thinks that nobody runs the lower capacity mags, which is bullshit because of the lower reserve pool for them making it necessary to switch out to lower capacity mags using the Plus System. Also, i gotta say, "reloading at the right time" is a skill set, and not something that makes drum mags OP.

[hexed mango]

dice moment

[arctic grove]

is Battlelog fixate with EA app now

[fervent rose]

they just feel terrible now

[eager spire]

If doing that makes them OP then frankly they should just make it so you can't manually reload at all.

[fickle bison]

It just proves that they don't really play their game

[stiff pollen]

classic dice where they rely on data rather than player feel

[clever marlin]

oh yeah, what would people feel about the soflam getting a thermal option?

[ancient peak]

I disagree. Or point to me the amount of times you’ve died to a non-drum magazine SFAR.

[hexed mango]

would be funny soflam with therm

[sharp marten]

Skill issue tbh

[arctic grove]

last I heard

[fickle bison]

SFAR is something different because of the recoil bug. It was a horrible laser, which they could have just fixed

[arctic grove]

bf3 still intact with origin

[granite island]

Just go behind a building

[ancient peak]

And they haven’t. So until they do the argument has to account for this bug.

[eager spire]

okay you're free to disagree, but you've not really got much of an argument here. When a drum mag AR or hell even a drum mag glock, because this nerf is universal, has a slower ADS speed than a LMG that has significantly more rounds in a mag, there's something wrong here.

[sterile flint]

SOFLAM is one of those gadgets that needs all the options and get mad assist points because its very unrewarding if it doesn't do this

[astral helm]

why is there no games bruh lol i have been searching for three hours

[stiff pollen]

i just got dc'd

the servers today suck

[hexed mango]

damn they have shortcut kits in the store now

[fickle bison]

yeah same for me for 3 games now

[sharp marten]

Reminds me of bf4

[granite island]

Idk how I feel about breakaway 64p conquest layout rework

[hexed mango]

rao legendary looks sex

[granite island]

It looks strange

[sharp marten]

Have they shown the new Russian jet skin yet ?

[ancient peak]

Did I say once that I agree 100% with the change? No. I said the change was too harsh. A little bit of a nerf to ADS speed is fine. Currently it is not (especially in the glock’s case). have stated this before.

[next onyx]

Mind the shit frames. Windows trim doesn't support high frame rates.

[fervent rose]

drums shouldnt have any ADS change at all if LMG's arent receiving the same treatment

[next onyx]

It is comedically slow and I would not opposed that time being cut in half.

[eager spire]

I don't think any nerf was necessary. The game felt fine before this change. It would've continued to be fine if they hadn't implemented this.

[hexed mango]

bruh i joined into a finished game

[next onyx]

If anything, LMG's should have the worse penalty.

[plain needle]

Good morning y’all, I heard the update launched! What are our thoughts so far?

[next onyx]

It's good.

Lots of issues but it's not awful.

[eager spire]

It's a mixed bag.

[stiff pollen]

if they wanted to nerf the drums youd just give them less spare ammo and a longer reload. fucking with the ADS times is bs

theyll get their data showing nobody using them

[granite island]

Idk how to feel about the layout

[fervent rose]

nerfing the reload time on drums would have been much smarter and less awful feeling

[eager spire]

OH LIKE THEY ALREADY DO?

[stiff pollen]

bingo

[granite island]

I like it and hate it at the same time on 64p

[eager spire]

HMMMM

[fickle bison]

And again, your cpu is not at even close to 90%, how

[plain needle]

Any opinion on the javelin?

[ancient peak]

And that’s where we agree to disagree. So no point in arguing this further

[next onyx]

You might need to clean your computer, Pain.

[eager spire]

i guess but i'm still gonna complain about it.

[fervent rose]

Or maybe, buff the standard mag reload speed and make it a viable competitive option without gutting the drums

[solid imp]

Overall the changes are solid, it's just a lot to get used to

Fundamental differences

[ancient peak]

Never said you couldn’t.

[fervent rose]

gutting the drums to balance the game is a terrible choice

[sharp marten]

When don’t you complain

[next onyx]

It sounds like you have a lot of programs just in your computer running at once.

[eager spire]

okay

[fickle bison]

I just did not too long ago, had the same problem before too, also reinstalling didnt help

[next onyx]

What windows version are you using?

I can send you mr computer man's guide.

[weary tendon]

How big is the update?

[tough wolf]

Bout 6gb

[next onyx]

5 gigs.

[hexed mango]

5gb on steam

[tough wolf]

5.49 on ea client

[solid imp]

My biggest issue is the dang hit indicator changing lol

[fickle bison]

21H2

[weary tendon]

When i start installing the update i instantly loose 20GB of disk space

[tough wolf]

It changed? I hadn't noticed.

[fervent rose]

hit indicator is definitely weird but its better

[next onyx]

Huh? Windows 10 or 11?

[fickle bison]

Windows 10

[next onyx]

https://youtu.be/DCc0xPCiK6M

[tough wolf]

Yeah same. Not sure what that's about.

[next onyx]

It helped massively for me.

[fickle bison]

Alright, I will try, thank you 🙏

[next onyx]

Again this is weird you should be doing just as well as me.

Cause my mate has the same set up as you.

No worries.

It's a long video keep on mind.

[sharp marten]

Has anyone unlocked the pp2000 and EMR how are they?

[next onyx]

I haven't but I probably should.

[knotty charm]

Can we unlock weps wit solo’s??

[potent trench]

just boot up the game and experiencing this
wow this feels really bad

[ancient peak]

Ye

[next onyx]

Yeah you should be able to Jack.

[sharp marten]

Yes

[fickle bison]

Yeah I got time, no worries :P Thanks again, I guess I'll try this and if it doesn't help will do a clean install again

[knotty charm]

Ah ik thnx all

[upbeat sluice]

Can't believe dice changed the movement speed and feel

[solid imp]

I'm sure certain weapons devs for the game are watching this chat today of all days and combining that with player usage of things like drum mags 😉

Just keep doing your thing in game and they'll see it

[sharp marten]

Alex is probably going to change it he wanted to test it and see how people felt he’s always looking for feedback

[next onyx]

I did find myself actually swapping between mags on my SCAR.

If I'm using a different ammo type it's gonna be standard.

[upbeat sluice]

Throwing knives should also be on all classes not on assault and recon absolute bot tier decision

[next onyx]

If it's range I use heavy ammo.

[shell ermine]

So how bad is the MacKay ADS movement nerf?

[next onyx]

Not sure.

Haven't played him.

IT's all about ZAIN.

[eager spire]

it's noticeable, while the overall strafe buff is not.

[shell ermine]

How good is the buff for everyone else?

Ah

Great

[sharp marten]

Zain will bring the pain

[next onyx]

You can with confidence turn corners.

That's how I felt.

[shell ermine]

One step forward 10 steps back, classic DICE

[eager spire]

yup

classic.

[upbeat sluice]

Just brutal that they changed movement

[sharp marten]

What’s changed about movement?

[next onyx]

I don't think the nerf to drums should be so bad but I do reckon if they do a bit of tweaking they'll genuinely be good.

[shell ermine]

Just make the reload longer for drums

[eager spire]

LIKE THEY ALREADY DO?

[remote kiln]

there's wall running now

[shell ermine]

I can't remember attachments ever fucking with mobility in Battlefield

[next onyx]

See now. If the SCAR could carry 50+1 rounds with a drum mag like it did at launch I'd be all for the nerf. But since it's 40+1, A mid-liar it shouldn't be so bad.

[fervent rose]

everyone moves faster, mackay moves a little slower

[shell ermine]

Thats just not a thing with this series

[fervent rose]

strafe speeds

[next onyx]

Battlefield hardline, Extended mags would reduce your movement speed.

Stubby would increase it.

Heavy barrel would decrease it too.

[hexed mango]

A-91 is fun

[next onyx]

Running with a pistol would have you run faster too.

[spiral folio]

For large drums maybe like impact load and slight ADS change but like if a gun goes from 20rds to 30 thats not a ton. The p125 goes from 14 to 20 oOoOoo

[eager spire]

never noticed that.

[next onyx]

Yeah A91 feels good.

[naive sandal]

Even worse than I thought - I'm being locked on by wildcats at the flight ceiling
The vehicle devs really take incompetence to a whole new level

[shell ermine]

How can a Pistol with a drum mag ADS slower than a gigantic LMG?

[remote kiln]

in bf3 your choice of attachment would impact your ADS speed

it's been done before

[next onyx]

Oh yeah Deco be careful of the Javelin and dart combo.

[shell ermine]

I honestly don't remember that to be the case

[next onyx]

89 damage without a warning.

[spiral folio]

Pistol with a drum mag is really awkward.

[next onyx]

But the turret speeds feel nice.

I did forward the dart pistol to Vanta.

[remote kiln]

it was done in the game, certain attachments sped up ADS and slowed down ADS engagements

[shell ermine]

If it was it wasn't near the magnitude of the drum mags here

[remote kiln]

can't play it for a bit anyways waiting on internet being installed

[shell ermine]

I never had to think about ADS speed in Battlefield, that's always been a COD thing to me

[next onyx]

AH.

Fair.

[eager spire]

the slow ADS just does not fit the pace of the game. There was no problem with it before now.

[remote kiln]

I'd use my mobile data but ports are blocked so it's a pain

[vocal adder]

How's the update guys ?

[granite island]

Kinda wish they added more explosions to the map but oh well

[hexed mango]

nicely

[eager spire]

mixed bag

[pine roost]

definitely

[brazen horizon]

one giant nerf

[weary tendon]

havent played this game in months, decided to come back now to see if its better after todays update, but it wont even let me do that. i have 37GB of avaliable disc space, but when i click install it immediatly says "not enough disc space 3.4GB remaining" and when i check i do ineed have 3.4GB remaining. and when i cancel im back to 37GB.

[fervent rose]

here i am happy that they took out that first sector that had your cover explode and kill you

the 4 cylinders of death

[shell ermine]

Platform?

[weary tendon]

PC

[granite island]

I was actually sad I couldn't explode those 4 cylinders

They were so loud and nice

[fervent rose]

that sector was so bad lol

[granite island]

Entire server could hear them when they exploded

[vocal zenith]

u need more storage dude

[fervent rose]

so glad to never play that again

[weary tendon]

the update is 5GB no?

[remote kiln]

steam does not check your disk size until there's actually activity, probably clear something out so you aren't so drastically low on space to begin with

[weary tendon]

not steam, origin/EA

[remote kiln]

same point

[solid imp]

I'm assuming 5GB is a compressed size for faster download

[remote kiln]

they do the same check

[pine roost]

here's the strafe speed comparison

[vocal zenith]

when downloading a game the install size and download size are differnt sincce its compressed and ur pc decrompresses it

[limpid pond]

Okay well I'm about to start the pp2000 grind

[weary tendon]

so how much do i need then

[next onyx]

OH GOD I haven't felt the ADS slowdown on the P125.

Than again I just hipfire it.

[vocal zenith]

in general if ur using an ssd dont max out the ssd it will kill performance

[remote kiln]

Probably actually clean out your drive lol

[vocal zenith]

i always keep 10-20 % of an ssd free

[remote kiln]

"how much do I need" is the exact opposite of how you should be thinking

[eager spire]

Top is post nerf?

[pine roost]

yes

[spiral folio]

Did they slow down the p125??

[eager spire]

okay

[pine roost]

pre nerf seems like it matched hipfire speed, now it's slightly slower

[clever marlin]

actually

[vague horizon]

Is the ads worse with drum magazines wtf

[pine roost]

but smgs remain at hipfire speed

[eager spire]

yes

[clever marlin]

the cpu determins your up and download speeds correct?

[remote kiln]

nope

[eager spire]

extended mags as well.

[next onyx]

I dunno I don't really feel it there.

[vague horizon]

I was literally popping off with it yesterday, sad to see ima have to stick with default mags now

[remote kiln]

if they want to nerf the drums just make the LOS off of ADS slower rather than when you're aiming in

just makes engagements weird

[eager spire]

i mean the drums did not need a nerf. if they want them to be slower they should've made them that way before releasing the fucking game.

[remote kiln]

ehh they're the choice of 95% of loudouts for weapons

[eager spire]

Not decide that they wanna do that a year after the fact

[remote kiln]

shouldn't be that way for one type of ammo

[vague horizon]

Lemme guess the pp-2000 wasn’t affected at all

[shell ermine]

I mean of course people are going to want to have more ammo. 9 times out of 10 players will pick that

[fervent rose]

they shouldn't feel like you're playing Squad all of a sudden because you picked a Drum magazine

[next onyx]

What gun are you using, @vague horizon

[vague horizon]

Ak-24 @next onyx

[spiral folio]

I'll have to try the "extended mag" on the p125 see if they nerfed it. 6 whole more rounds of 5.7 aaaah my wrist so heavy

[shell ermine]

I bet the Bizon, PP, and P90 didn't get an ADS speed nerf despite having large mags

[fervent rose]

they didnt

lmgs are also the same

[spiral folio]

P90 is 50 rounds of 5.7 though

[fiery zenith]

It was a half baked decision like always

[spiral folio]

5.7 is a light round

[next onyx]

Ah.

[eager spire]

so is 9mm

[next onyx]

Just shove the 40 rounder into it.

[spiral folio]

5.7 is lighter than 9mm

[pastel loom]

they're built different

[remote kiln]

yeah you're not killing someone with a p90 under 20 rounds over 70m lol

[shell ermine]

Like it's not like we're going from 30 rounds to 100 here, in most cases it's just double (or less). The magnitude of the nerf is disproportionate

[eager spire]

it's still light

[pastel loom]

it must be because of how these mags are designed and located

[eager spire]

but then again the round being light irl is irrelevant here

[spiral folio]

5.7mm is a 40grain bullet
9mm is around 140ish

[vague horizon]

With the ak?

[dreamy panther]

I can’t spawn in on some maps

[pastel loom]

you don't see a p90 or a bizon mag located vertically below them

[next onyx]

Yeah.

[spiral folio]

5.7 delivers about the same energy as 9mm by going faster with a lighter bullet

[next onyx]

AK has always done better with the 40 round mag.

Drum is ok but.

[topaz field]

Is microphone broken in 3.2 for console?

i have my microphone off but i still see the talk icon

[remote kiln]

is normal just ignore it

[vague horizon]

Hm

[hexed mango]

i mean besides the drum controversy, im finding this update really fun

[vague horizon]

Ill try the 40 round one

[fervent rose]

its funny how they find a way to sour the thing

[eager spire]

i'm sure the update would be better if they didn't push this change with it.

[arctic grove]

im glad the drum got nerfed it was too meta

[shell ermine]

Lazy way to balance

[hexed mango]

i really dont care much tho. im not gonna be using drums with my mtar

[shell ermine]

Buff underused stuff, don't nerf overused stuff

[remote kiln]

how do you buff other mags

[shell ermine]

"Let's make everything suck"

[remote kiln]

ARs already kill people in 5 bullets

[fervent rose]

@remote kiln you could make the standard ammo reload even faster

[eager spire]

there's not really a good way to do that, but frankly, in this situation i just feel that it's not necessary to make any changes.

[wild whale]

Reload speed on standard mags up

[fiery zenith]

It really wasn't though cause the extended mags were arguably the best overall

[shell ermine]

Standard mags could become tapped mags for near instant reloads

[eager spire]

The plus system already incentivizes switching between different types of mags.

[remote kiln]

then everyone's just not going to use the drums lol

it's a cost and benefit situation

[wild whale]

?

[arctic grove]

ANY person using the SCAR only had a drum map

[shell ermine]

I will always take a larger mag over a smaller one regardless of the reload speed

[fervent rose]

and now the cost is that drums feel terrible to use

[wild whale]

Isnt the complaint everyone is using bigger mags?

[fervent rose]

is that good?

[remote kiln]

you're not going to use the drums when you get a near instant swap of your ammunition

[fervent rose]

i dont think it is

[remote kiln]

no it's not good

but buffing other mags doesn't work either

[eager spire]

"The complaint", i would love to see who really had a problem with this prior to this change.

[shell ermine]

Or just idk, leave it alone

[fervent rose]

drum balance should be about reload speed and total ammo pool

or weapon draw time

[wild whale]

When im fighting a 1v5 fight

I need that drum mag

[eager spire]

THOSE WERE ALREADY DOWNSIDES THE DRUM MAG HAD

[arctic grove]

i did but kept it to myself

[wild whale]

I end up fighting 1v5 a lot

[fervent rose]

yes and they could make it even worse, they are allowed to do that

[eager spire]

oh yeah i'm sure.

[wild whale]

Spreadsheet said too many people use big mag

And some mystery combat uptime wasnt being met

[fervent rose]

i'd have preferred slower drum reloads over this change

[remote kiln]

until you run out of ammo, whereas a standard mag which has a faster reload means you're not on a death sentence on 0

[eager spire]

oh yeah they are allowed to just make the game worse, i guess.

[wild whale]

When Im out of ammo mid engagement, im likely dead

[remote kiln]

that's the point

[wild whale]

Also doesnt need to be instant

[stoic ferry]

drum mag has a 12 sec time to ADS now. so no. you no not need it

[wild whale]

Are you exaggerating

[oak sedge]

Other than the drum mags issue, the game feels SO much better now

[fervent rose]

@wild whale just feels like that

i grow old every time i ADS with a drum

[stoic ferry]

ok so its 9 sec. and not 12

[oak sedge]

People are actually using gadgets other than Recoilless and Stinger

[wild whale]

Because if its actually 9 seconds long

[vague horizon]

Im hoping dice addresses this issue in a upcoming patch

[fiery zenith]

That's true so it would've been better to try the ADS change on the scar since it's the only HP drum as far as I'm aware.

[arctic grove]

instead of dum mags? good the change was for the better then

[eager spire]

drum mag is not a gadget you donut

[wild whale]

Unless its instantaneous (shouldnt be obv) that 2-3 seconds easily can get me killed

Better off just swapping to fair and balanced glock

And killing the last 2 guys

[arctic grove]

i blocked you for a reason kinda fuck off

[prisma breach]

So with the new update, do you have to use the EA app?
Before, we didnt have to use the origin app to play BF on PC, but I guess they changed that.

[eager spire]

you're clicking on my messages.

[wild whale]

I mean

He is right

[eager spire]

and you're continuing to say dumb shit

[arctic grove]

i wasent talking about gagits

[remote kiln]

it wouldn't work for the scar, HP drum at long engagements only works with single fire tap

[eager spire]

I wasn't talking about gadgets
Replies to a statement about people using other gadgets

[radiant prism]

From what it sounds like

A lot of people are just mad taht the drum mags aren't spammable anymore

Which is good

[wild whale]

What do you mean spammable

[eager spire]

???????????????????????????????????

[vague horizon]

Im kinda surprised the pp-2000 wasn’t affected tho

[arctic grove]

this right fucking there

[eager spire]

yeah what do you mean

[fiery zenith]

I'm sure it's a different experience on controller but I wouldn't know

[radiant prism]

Because people should learn to use regular magazines

[wild whale]

Lol

[honest wave]

Is the medpen still in the game?

[remote kiln]

I'm on kbm lol

[gusty bear]

im loss

[fervent rose]

they made the drums feel terrible, and thats a good thing?

[vague horizon]

Yes

[remote kiln]

yes

[gusty bear]

wtf this guy is saying?

[limpid pond]

Holy shit the new attachment system is terrible

[fervent rose]

hes gotta be trollin

[wild whale]

Or people use a gun like the pp29 or lcmg

[vague horizon]

Except assault class only gets 1 instead of 3

[gusty bear]

adapt to drum mags is so hard i guess

[honest wave]

What class is it for? I can't find it.

[shell ermine]

On the other hand people seem to have been mad that their entire low skill squads get murked by a single person using a drum mag

[eager spire]

People should learn to use regular magazines
i mean it's not hard, it's the same as drum mags but you reload more, but you also get more reserve ammo and a faster reload.

[vague horizon]

Assault

[wild whale]

This

[vague horizon]

U only get 1 instead of 3

[radiant prism]

Is the ADS change just for drum mags?

[oak sedge]

Assault
Sundance
Mackay
Dozer

[wild whale]

@eager spire these people are absurd. All this will do is shift everything to normal guns with big mags

[remote kiln]

yes

[oak sedge]

They have med pens

[shell ermine]

"I can't beat this person so DICE make him weaker"

[fervent rose]

@shell ermine you can still easily do that with pp29 and lmg, or the 12m auto

[oak sedge]

Oh and Zain

[radiant prism]

Ok cool then I don't care lol

[eager spire]

it's for extended mags as well.

[remote kiln]

having the drums mags on ARs was kind of a stupid decision anyways tbh

[honest wave]

I literally do not see it in the classes menu at all.

[remote kiln]

doesn't make sense

[twin finch]

Interesting update

[wild whale]

like the ak24?

That gun is irrelevant now

[jovial whale]

How much gb is 2042 on pc

[remote kiln]

5gb

[wild whale]

Drum mag was the only thing it had going for it

[radiant prism]

Hows the rest of the update?

[next onyx]

I don't mind drum mags but I think they should at least be better balanced other than just having a longer reload time.

[eager spire]

damn i don't know why literally nobody had a problem with this in the YEAR THIS GAME HAS BEEN RELEASED WITH THEM IN IT

[next onyx]

It's pretty good despite the issues in it.

[oak sedge]

You have it by default when you play assault, go in game and jt will be there

[remote kiln]

one weapon doesn't define an entire weapon archetype

[wild whale]

The problem is the people balancing dont understand WHY everyone needs drum mags

[remote kiln]

drum mags on ARs is still ripe for abuse because of their combination

[wild whale]

Enemies are procedurally generated

In this game

[radiant prism]

Also who tf used the AK drum mag?? Lmao

[fiery zenith]

Same, didn't mean to imply you were so my apologies. Meant to refer to those that think the HP drum is the only choice for the scar when personally I prefer the standard extended.

[eager spire]

The AK24 is kind of mid though, the extended mag tended to make it more usable.

[solar obsidian]

me

[radiant prism]

40rd ext mag was the way to go

[vague horizon]

Ngl i think the pp-2000 shouldve been nerfed a bit but thats just my opinion

[fervent rose]

@next onyx isnt that standard ammo, which should feel like old patch

[stoic ferry]

99% of AK users

[solar obsidian]

was it high power drum mag on sfar?

[vague horizon]

Pov me

Lmao

[radiant prism]

Not that I ever saw

[next onyx]

That is standard ammo.

As per the fire rate.

[remote meteor]

yes

[solar obsidian]

thats my style

[remote kiln]

oh yeah it's definitely not just the choice, just the meta one

[fervent rose]

Standard was always good on the scar

[solar obsidian]

hit hard hit a LOT

[wild whale]

I did

1vX gun

[next onyx]

Yeah that's the issue with the SCAR.

[remote kiln]

AK drum is where it would shine

[remote kiln]

AK has high per bullet damage, HP just buffs it even more

[eager spire]

i mean AK gets beat by the SCAR.

it's always been like that.

[next onyx]

Ak24 deals 28 damage within 10 metres and becomes a 5hk out to 74 metres.

HP increases the velocity.

[radiant prism]

Why would you use the drum when the 40 round exists? You only have 10 less rounds with more backup ammo, faster reload, and no recoil penalties

[remote kiln]

it has a faster RPM ofc it will lose

[next onyx]

Which by the way.

The velocity is incredible.

[eager spire]

being able to hold down M1 longer and get more kills per mag

[granite island]

My settings got reset

[radiant prism]

A whole 2 seconds longer lol

[eager spire]

hey

[wild whale]

10 bullets means I win engagement number 6 mayve

[shell ermine]

The Scar already got a significant nerf a couple of patches ago, it didn't need another one here

[eager spire]

did it?

[limpid pond]

Wait until you see the terrible attachment reqork

[wild whale]

Its gotten a hard nerf this update

[remote kiln]

the scar has been nerfed before yeah

[fervent rose]

scar got a medium sized nerf

[wild whale]

21 rounds is not enough

[queen zealot]

It's fun jumping into a season this late with all the weeklies open. Got 39 levels my first match back

[granite island]

That's exactly what I'm talking about

[remote kiln]

fun fact that's one less bullet than DMRs

[next onyx]

I don't think the gun has been destroyed since I have gotten good success with it.

[granite island]

Why is it fucking triangle instead of l1

[wild whale]

They are going to nerf standard mags after this lol

[next onyx]

But the nerf feels too harsh.

[arctic grove]

scar was to meta with the drum mag lets be honest here

[eager spire]

they put 3 things on that one button

[potent trench]

okay good
hopefully DICE revert it back to previous stats for ADS

[wild whale]

Because "people are spamming standard mags"

[granite island]

Why is my grenade throw button l1

[limpid pond]

I'm saying

[analog stirrup]

recon weapon proficiency isn't working

[limpid pond]

Now I have to actually switch my keybinds because I shoot with bumpers

It was actually dumb

[remote kiln]

this nerf is too harsh anyways just implement the delay from bf3 for drums on LMGs, then it's fine

[wild whale]

The problem was the SCAR

Not the drum mag on it

[vague horizon]

Is the claymore as annoying as people thought it was gonna be ingame?

[arctic grove]

also guys its day 1 of a big update i wont be surprised if there are bugs

[shell ermine]

So what? Make other guns better if they are underused.

[next onyx]

It's... ANnoying yeah.

[vague horizon]

Yikes

[limpid pond]

Don't know just unlocked it

[queen zealot]

I don't care about classes/specialists or whatever, but I will say (not reading patch notes the past 6 months while I've been gone) that the game feels better. Like running around and shooting I'm clicking with more than before

[solid imp]

I haven't encountered even a single claymore lol

[analog stirrup]

Using Rao and the 8x scope on the DXR-1 is still just as slow as it was yesterday

[neon jungle]

Anyone here experiencing their primary weapon changing to single fire without hitting the button?

[limpid pond]

No

[wild whale]

This is one of the dumbest changes mainly because it was not a real problem in the gameplay

[fervent rose]

@vague horizon claymore will become more of a problem over time as people figure out where they actually work on 2042's wack maps

today they arent a issue

[wild whale]

Lets talk about zain fucking over an entire chokepoint

Or cluster nades, why are they in the game

[solid imp]

Breakaway rework feels great tho... "wack" no longer applies 🙂

[eager spire]

it was not a problem. Someone at DICE just decided a year after the fact that it was a problem, so they pushed this change.

[limpid pond]

I want my damn med pen

[remote kiln]

that's his entire thing though

[shell ermine]

Ever since that Christmas 2019 BFV balance pass I haven't trusted DICE to balance weapons well

[wild whale]

Yeah when you have a map like exposures bunkers

[solid imp]

"I rattle their cages, you clean them up"

[wild whale]

Thats a big problem

[remote kiln]

how?

[wild whale]

Because you cant cross the chokepoint anymore

[remote kiln]

it's the gadgets entire purpose

[fervent rose]

so zain isnt a problem but drum magazines, they gotta go

[lusty musk]

The changes to ADS speeds feel super fucking horrible, even using support class they feel like shit

[fervent rose]

[solid imp]

Zain is countered by Irish. Drum mags are countered by... 🙂

[wild whale]

The enemy zain can just fire xm370a over the choke

[eager spire]

I wish the character limit on Discord nicks was larger. I wanna put "If DICE wanted the drum mags to be slow as shit they should've made them like that before they released the fucking game"

[wild whale]

This isnt an MMO or a moba

[vague horizon]

Well i wouldnt be surprised it theyre used more indoors where people need to go

So i can see that as an upcoming issue

[remote kiln]

then they run out of ammo, and then you kill them

[eager spire]

being better at the game.

[solid imp]

BF is defined by its rock/paper/scissors... everything has a counter

Even if not MMO

[remote kiln]

I really don't see the complaint

[wild whale]

No its not

[granite island]

Wait why are my gun switch l1

[wild whale]

Its an FPS

[granite island]

Who thought it was a good idea to make these the default controls

[vague horizon]

Especially since the next map next season is gonna be as tight as operation metro

[radiant prism]

I mean all in all...drum mages should have downsides

[solid imp]

Listen to any of the dev chats about the game.. it's always about rock/paper/scissors

[remote kiln]

battlefield has always been defined as rock paper scissors lol

[arctic grove]

at this point hes just complaining to complain lol

[remote kiln]

what are people smoking

[eager spire]

THEY HAD 3 DOWNSIDES PRIOR TO THIS.

[wild whale]

Why would you listen to these developers

[solid imp]

I mean... every single BF is defined that way

[radiant prism]

And yet people still used them out the wazoo

[eager spire]

THEY STILL HAD DOWNSIDES.

[wild whale]

Last I checked battlefield was designed by big scale combat

[remote kiln]

cause they actually know what they're talking about

[eager spire]

People just worked around them!

[honest wave]

For some reason the medpen icon is greyed out and I can't use it. Anyone know why?

[solid imp]

In which case you need even more balancing of rock/paper/scissors

[fervent rose]

you're at full health

[solid imp]

So as to avoid clear metas

[wild whale]

Have you seen the state of the game? They do not

[wild whale]

But now a clear meta has already sprung

[honest wave]

oooh.

[remote kiln]

seen the state of bf3/BF4 when they released? bit of an odd thing to say

[solid imp]

https://tenor.com/view/indeed-tealc-stargate-gif-4496552

[wild whale]

Because theres no reason not to uss the pp29

[radiant prism]

OH NO MY RECOIL IS SLIGHTLY WONKY WHICH IS JUST COUNTERED BY SPRAYING LONGER WHICH THE DRUM MAG ALLOWS

ALSO I THINK YOUR CAPS LOCK IS ON MIGHT WANNA CHECK THAT

[eager spire]

you're gonna have a meta no matter what, and nobody seriously had a problem with how the game played prior to this.

[granite island]

Is there a way I can make it that I can cycle weapon only

[wild whale]

The mouse input worked at launch in bf3

[limpid pond]

Crouch spamming is off the past so now I have no way to counter pc sweats