battlefield-2042

[eager spire]

it has no relation to the actual quality of the game.

[spiral folio]

Bf1 added a gritty aspect missing from previous bf games

[wide shore]

It’s also an awesome game with great maps and cool ass guns.

[spiral folio]

Like it was art compared to every other fps

[radiant prism]

By your logic it does

[shell ermine]

BF1 was trash

[pearl ridge]

What you call 'random recoil' I call keeping the fucking weapon ranges where they're supposed to be

[shell ermine]

I dropped it after like 30 hours. I've played and enjoyed 2042 more than BF1

[wide shore]

The true duality of man

[acoustic seal]

that's... what spread did in every game prior to that one?

[spiral folio]

You're an outlier

[pearl ridge]

This 'random' recoil you keep talking about is not random

[wide shore]

BF1 is either the worst game ever. Or the best game ever. Depending on who you ask.

[pearl ridge]

It's what the kids call horizontal recoil

[arctic grove]

I'd say it's great

[spiral folio]

Like overall people generally like bf1. Calling it trash is objectively wrong

If you didn't like an aspect ok what part ...

[radiant prism]

Ahem

[wide shore]

I mean I think BF4 is trash.

[shell ermine]

Spread is a dumb mechanic, you can single fire and bullet spread can make your bullet not hit where you crosshair is. At least with the recoil in BFV your bullets go where your crosshair is (accounting for drop)

[pearl ridge]

Control your fucking fire, stop spraying, and stop expecting your aim to be magically laser-like just because you dragged your mouse down

[eager spire]

Okay, but BF1 is not really a great game from a gameplay perspective. Here are just a few gameplay issues the game has.

-Reintroduced visual recoil, after it was removed in BF4 in a patch
-Gas grenades go through walls and floors
-Suppression exists
-Sweet Spot was introduced, reducing the skill needed to be effective as a sniper
-Lighting is fucked because DICE prioritized HDR in a game from 2016, when a minority of people were running HDR displays, making looking out of windows practically worthless.

[lucid goblet]

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2AFlDG7pha8pOECkhDSjhp?si=uO69Eh8MQGmQQ69TarrQ_Q

[eager spire]

You can single fire and bullet spread can make your bullet not hit where your crosshair is
that is not true, unless you're being suppressed.

[radiant prism]

BF1 was trash and majorly overrated. It has decent enough immersion, but the gameplay issues are so strong that it ruins the im entire experience to anyone who has played any other game in the franchise.

[acoustic seal]

the horizontal recoil is... random, there's no tolerance so you're helpless if it decides to kick in one direction 6 times

[radiant prism]

There I said it

[eager spire]

I agree.

[shell ermine]

BFV is a game where semi-autos and bolt-actions not only are viable but actually more than competitive.

Auto spammers naturally hate it

[pearl ridge]

Suppression is a good thing. At least it's not like 4's.

[eager spire]

no

[arctic grove]

everything about the game is cringe

[arctic grove]

I mean I’ve got 800hrs in 4 and enjoyed 1

[pearl ridge]

Like how many fucking snipers have I been firing upon that didn't even give a fuck that they were catching rounds because they didn't even flinch?

[wide shore]

But also

Great maps
Tons of playable factions
More DLC than was promised
Cool ass setting
Some amazing weapon sounds
Operations mode
Best destruction on the series
Overall quite balanced

[arctic grove]

I agree completely

[eager spire]

SMG 08 would like to say hello

[spiral folio]

The modern combat era of fps games entirely drove me out of fps games so for me that was trash

[wide shore]

SMG08 is outgunned at any respectable range.

[shell ermine]

I've watched single fire bullets fly offsides in BF4 enough to know it is true.

Random deviation is the devil's mechanic

[arctic grove]

SMG 08 is VEEERRRYYY range constricted

[pearl ridge]

The SMG 08 was better when it was slow and steady

Like the tiny Maxim it is

[spiral folio]

Like everything was just near future modern or worse from bf2 to before bf1

[upbeat sand]

https://youtu.be/7_M9JlD1qqE Irish man says PlayStation can now pre download 3.2

[arctic grove]

SMG 08 sucks on maps that aren’t like, fort de vaux

[spiral folio]

This yea

I liked the 08 before they changed it

[eager spire]

You were clearly watching people miss. What you described is literally not how spread works.

[acoustic seal]

suppression was horrible in bf1, you were at a disadvantage if you actually hit people since their gun wouldn't bloom wildly and stop them from firing back

[shell ermine]

BFV ended its support life as the best Frostbite Battlefield game

[wide shore]

My biggest issue with BF1 was the changed Conquest system

[shell ermine]

Yes, better than BC2 and BF3

[pearl ridge]

All they did was make points count up rather than down

[eager spire]

there are so many bad takes here that it's hard to keep up.

[spiral folio]

Like at first "heres a slow smg with huge capacity. Its good if youre careful with it"

After the change
"LOADING IS FOR CHUMPS SPRAY AND PRAY YOLO"

[radiant prism]

BF1 is not balanced lmao. It suffered from constant balance issues that still persist to this day. The best guns in the game have always been the fastest firing, highest capacity SMGs, which are all assault. The best guns on the other classes are those that perform most similarly to those high cap, fast ROF SMGs.

[arctic grove]

one personal gripe with bf1

no bots

that's all

[pearl ridge]

The RSC SMG, now that was a man's gun

[wide shore]

They also removed the majority rule. Meaning you gained points regardless of if you have majority or not.

[arctic grove]

Didn’t they change it to allow the losing team to still gain points?

[radiant prism]

Not to mention explosive spam and vehicle balance struggles pretty heavily

[eager spire]

that's cringe.

[spiral folio]

There were plenty of good smgs in bf1 for different play styles

[wide shore]

Which means you could still win even if you didn’t have majority for most of the game, as long as you have like a 200 point lead.

[eager spire]

shut up

[ember nimbus]

[spiral folio]

You always gain points with kills on bf games without majority...

[pearl ridge]

Like, the RSC SMG is objectively pretty shit, but it's so fun and does enough damage to be useful

[viral oasis]

can I create a petition to add squad management in?

[wide shore]

Comebacks were like impossible at a certain point. That’s why the system sucked in BF1. But other than that, I love it. Nothing can change my mind on that.

[eager spire]

yeah but you didn't gain FLAG points without majority

[radiant prism]

Imagine going to into a chat for a different game into the same franchise exclusively to hate on that game

[viral oasis]

I don't want adjusted recoil, I want squad management and game-wide chat first

[arctic grove]

Frontline is both good and bad

[viral oasis]

if only we could vote on stuff

[radiant prism]

A game you haven’t played clearly

[arctic grove]

bad - infinite tickets

[arctic grove]

It’s a matter of what’s more important at the moment

[spiral folio]

Like in previous bf games if you had more flags then ticket count was based on majority control. And the minority team got fewer tickets off the enemy with fewer flags

So going away from that was a departure from previous bf games

[viral oasis]

Surely, it's not that difficult ???

[arctic grove]

Some squad management stuff MIGHT be planned anyways

[viral oasis]

It doesn't need major design, new assets or anything like that

[eager spire]

it was also a bad idea which is why they never went back to that.

[arctic grove]

Since temporyal datamined some sort of a call in air strike

[viral oasis]

The logic is widely implemented, even in other BF games

[spiral folio]

Thats how bf1942 2

[shell ermine]

Attrition is great, especially vehicle attrition.
BFV's recoil to prevent autos from dominating is fantastic.
BFV's Conquest on a good number of maps is best in series
BFV's squad and teamplay is the best in recent games

[radiant prism]

Then you have no business talking about 2042, since you clearly never gave it a chance to begin with.

[viral oasis]

It's not rocket science to have squad management in an FPS game

[spiral folio]

By the logic of class shilling "it defines battlefield"

[arctic grove]

Well, also take a moment to consider that a server browser UI already exists in the game on portal yet there’s no plans to bring it over to AOW

Some things just aren’t something they’re gonna do

[wide shore]

I definitely agree with the last point. I felt like squad leader was a vital role in BFV.

[lucid goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/friday-deebo-tough-walk-up-friday-movie-gif-12665417

[spiral folio]

Since it was done in the past it is always good

[eager spire]

being able to score flag points without majority defines battlefield? despite the fact that it was only in one game and was a terrible idea?

[viral oasis]

They're just going to lose more of the market

[arctic grove]

I hear ya on this one

[viral oasis]

Like fine, don;'t do it

but then don't complain when people wait till black friday to get your game which lacks core features

[wide shore]

Oh boy the patch drops tomorrow. Who could’ve guessed

[arctic grove]

Did you get it at launch?

[viral oasis]

I'd really love to give them sympathy

[arctic grove]

Or did you just refund it like recently

[viral oasis]

But I can't

[spiral folio]

The majority team gained more points with more flags.

The minority team gained fewer points with fewer flags.

Ie if you had 2 flags and the enemy had 1. You gained twice as fast.

[viral oasis]

The game is miles different lmfao

The game at launch is like tetris compared to what it is now

I got it, refunded, and then got it again with season 3 after keeping a close eye on streams

[arctic grove]

There are players

[viral oasis]

There's plenty now - so just go for it

The issue isn't player count

[eager spire]

you didn't get flag points without majority in previous games. The minority team was gaining fewer points because they were getting points through kills alone.

[spiral folio]

So like if the enemy had 2 flags to your 1 and the enemy kept suiciding and losing 10 people at a time to 1 kill. They could "could" lose by wasting tickets

[shell ermine]

2042 at launch was even worse than BF1.

At least BFV was a feature complete Battlefield game at launch, it's biggest issue the lack of content

[sharp marten]

Big time

[arctic grove]

morale of the story: never buy shit at launch

it's that simple

[viral oasis]

morale: never buy BF at launch with BFV and BF 2042's launch

[radiant prism]

See heres why I prefer 2042 over BF1, even though my time in both is right now about even. I can stand to play 2042 for more than an hour without getting frustrated at the mechanics

[viral oasis]

other games are mostly fine

[shell ermine]

Still no squad management in 2042

[radiant prism]

BF4 was worse than 2042 though

[viral oasis]

It waas

but they turned it around

[arctic grove]

you bastard

[viral oasis]

it had basic shit in it at least

[radiant prism]

and BF1 would be a shadow of itself without its DLC too

[spiral folio]

So allowing the enemy to suicide nonstop with massive losses and rewarding that 10-1 losses because they control 1 more flag?
Thats stupid

[radiant prism]

At launch. Serious issues

[arctic grove]

Technicality wise it definitely was literally broken

fine

launch phase

But that’s just a general comment

but not the final update

[radiant prism]

I know its gotten a lot better

[arctic grove]

Cause I know the game is working now so

It is my favorite BF after all so don’t get me twisted

[viral oasis]

Battlefield 2042 received mixed reviews from critics and a negative reception from players for its technical issues, lack of features, and certain changes to the gameplay.

The game failed to meet the sales expectations of Electronic Arts.

[spiral folio]

"Game would be a shadow of itself without its content"

I mean yes?

[viral oasis]

They're lacking a few core things and then it could actually be a great game

but sick of asking for it everytime everywhere

at least acknowledge it

[shell ermine]

They should've delayed 2042 a year and kept supporting BFV

[viral oasis]

i rather squad management over a new shitty scope

or green and red guns

[shell ermine]

We could've gotten Battle of the Bulge in BFV

[viral oasis]

this is why nobody uses the mic on BF games as much as before

[arctic grove]

Okay here’s the problem though man

These are different teams working on those two things

[viral oasis]

True

so what's the other team doing

lmfao

[arctic grove]

Don’t get it confused that while the game lacks features they’d rather add scopes

[radiant prism]

Benefit of hindsight IMO. I was so tired of BFV by the time 2042 came out

[arctic grove]

Lol aye man, like I said before. Cause of how the game launched it is way more probable that a lot of shit simply will not come to the game, at least now

[spiral folio]

I dont know how much I liked bf5s squad reward stuff

[viral oasis]

Nobody would've slated BF if they say 'hey folks we need more time'

[viral oasis]

I understand

point still stands though

[shell ermine]

They 100% knew internally that 2042 wasn't ready and was going to be a gigantic mess. They made the choice to put it out early and kill BFV support

[arctic grove]

Point still stands about what?

[viral oasis]

This

[arctic grove]

I mean all you said was “while we need squad management they’d add scopes”

Which isn’t true

[viral oasis]

About the fact that some things are more important than otehrs and at the veyr least, we deserve updates

[arctic grove]

It’s like the people who said they’d rather add skins than guns

[viral oasis]

They have tho?

[spiral folio]

Like it was useful i guess but then nonstop "requesting orders" from people trying to take squad leader from you

[viral oasis]

That's true too

[viral oasis]

I mean more for adding friends, staying the same squad and stuff like that

[spiral folio]

On average people sucked at using the rewards too

[arctic grove]

no not really since these are two separate teams with god knows what direction given to them. they aren’t purposefully choosing skins and scopes over features and content lmao

[viral oasis]

I'm a dev, I get the struggle

but

[radiant prism]

We deserve updates...like the one we're getting on tuesday?

[arctic grove]

I’m no insider but if you’re a dev then you should know this

[radiant prism]

We're lowkey about to drop into a completely different game

[eager spire]

honestly, i feel like BF1 would be a better game if they reverted sliding back to how it was at launch, or after the first nerf, removed suppression, removed sweet spot from bolt action rifles with scopes, and made it so instead of having sweet spot on Infantry Bolt Actions, they just oneshot up to like, 20-30 meters universally, and removed visual recoil.

[viral oasis]

you technically can, when you have someone prioritising sales

[solid imp]

This point I feel big time. It sucks getting 6-8 people into the same server.
But for content like weapons, the + system makes dropping a bunch of new weapons much less important. You can turn an AK into an RPK pretty easily for example

[arctic grove]

Eh, all I’m saying is don’t get it confused

[radiant prism]

So....getting pretty close to BFV?

[shell ermine]

If MacKay's movement is nerfed too much I'm just going to call it and pack it in for 2042

[radiant prism]

Its almost like BFV's gunplay was a massive direct improvement over BF1

[spiral folio]

I didn't like the sweet spot mechanic thats about it

[arctic grove]

DICE and EA might be ridiculous, but not to that degree

[eager spire]

yeah basically, without the spread to recoil conversion, obviously.

[arctic grove]

oh yeah about that

[eager spire]

because i don't think that's necessary.

[arctic grove]

His grappling hook range is getting reduced as well as ads speed

[shell ermine]

And 2042 is a big downgrade from BFV's

[arctic grove]

General ADS speed is being buffed as well

Oh wait. Reread your message, you said too much

[solid imp]

yeah but... there are so many other operators in the game that a lot of players don't use at all simply because mackay's ADS makes him literally the only playable choice.

[grizzled whale]

i already did

[arctic grove]

Honestly losing the ADS is gonna hurt but we’ll see

[spiral folio]

Bf1 and bf2042 have better sniping i think

[eager spire]

Also, that drum mag ADS nerf is apparently gonna actually be in the game, because god is dead.

[viral oasis]

true

[shell ermine]

BFV had a higher default ADS speed than everyone but MacKay in 2042, it's why I never used anyone else

[grizzled whale]

no more spawn beacon as mackay, grapple range nerf

mackay is done

[viral oasis]

too many operators for me to get the T1 for all of them lmao

[spiral folio]

Bf5s antitank rifles are a symptom of how bad sniping was jn bf5

[viral oasis]

new game landing on tuesday though 😂

[solid imp]

If mackay dropoing ADS speed slightly is enough to push you out of the game then maybe try another operator and try using their stuff for awhile

since everyone else is getting ADS buff, it's not just mackay losing ADS speed

[shell ermine]

If the nerf isn't too harsh and it's still at least as fast or a bit faster than BFV I'll be fine, but if it's anywhere near the molasses that is the other dickwads I'm done

[clever marlin]

Personally mackay with the scar is pretty broken

Grapple up, AP 40mm armor

[arctic grove]

I mean I can stand to lose the Mackay we have now if it means other specialists aren’t slugs when ADSing

[viral oasis]

they're making progress but it needs more

[arctic grove]

I’d play Zain so much more if he wasn’t so damn slow

[solid imp]

fr it feels like a soft relaunch

[viral oasis]

you could make a simple google docs and see what the people want most

[acoustic seal]

mackay is still inherently really powerful because of the grapple hook, the nerfs just make him irritating to play at the same time

[viral oasis]

literally rank a multi choice question on common themes

it's not rocket science

[arctic grove]

hehe hey how about we not do what the people want hehe

[sharp marten]

It’s not that deep and it’s not going to be there forever

[radiant prism]

I think I saw they're giving everyone a slight buff and Mackay a slight nerf? Don't quote me though, I saw it in the patchnotes

[solid imp]

yeah but every operator has their thing that makes them irritating... when there's a specialist with 0 tradeoffs that puts them into OP territory

[eager spire]

well people want different things, including the person that actually works at DICE doing the balance.

[grizzled whale]

maybe if classes werent gonna be a thing i would come back to 2042, but both classes and a mackay nerf, nah, im done

[viral oasis]

I'm being serious LMAO - just ask people

[shell ermine]

Also I'm super not a fan of the "too many players use it so we need to nerf it rather than just buff the unused stuff" methodology on display here

[eager spire]

Yeah trust me i'm not either.

[spiral folio]

Itd be nice if they made a generic specialist for each class in case you just cant stand the specialists of a class

[eager spire]

I'm not a fan of it either.

[shell ermine]

Yeah I'm just worried at how much of a nerf it'll be

[viral oasis]

i been in here since dec 2019 and other than at launch ish, I barely see EA staff or community team here

it's like putting your head in the sand

[arctic grove]

Then you don’t talk here enough

Alex is here every other week lmao

[solid imp]

lol how is everyone forgetting that it's not just a Mackay nerf, it's also an ADS buff for literally everyone else

[spiral folio]

Like a noname soldier pick your gender whatever doesnt matter

[viral oasis]

yeah I lurk I have a job

[eager spire]

The SMG nerf, the drum mag nerf, the squad revive nerf, all of these are basically "people use these things too much, they need to get a nerf"

[solid imp]

So now you can go play someone else and enjoy it?

[wide shore]

Alex the weapon designer talks a lot

[solid imp]

without it feeling slow?

[arctic grove]

I mean obviously not to be like “HMMM WHAT YALL WANT” Lmao

[viral oasis]

yes

i've noticed alex but

that's weapon design

[shell ermine]

Why did they need to nerf MacKay's ADS speed at all? Why not just buff everyone else's?

[viral oasis]

i mean actual server code

[grizzled whale]

i dont care about the ads nerf, its the graple nerf and no more spawn beacon that ruins my entire playstyle

[arctic grove]

Total has a history of checking in here too

[shell ermine]

Thats the kind of balancing I hate in games

[viral oasis]

not to take away from their role ofc

[idle lion]

is the rex revolver ADS iron sights not properly aligned?

[radiant prism]

Their role isn't to be in this server lmao

[sharp marten]

Well I mean when you have people constantly bashing on a game they’re fixing to make better and making threats/insults towards the devs then yeah I wouldn’t want to be in a discord like that either

[arctic grove]

Their role is to yknow

work on a game…

[radiant prism]

This server exists to be a community hub, not a direct feedback method

[eager spire]

work on it, but playing it is optional

[spiral folio]

I think they literally made sure mackay and and squirrel girl specifically couldnt place spawn beacons as a major part of the changes

[arctic grove]

[viral oasis]

yeah but we're not all sitting here to find matches are we lmao

what's the direect feedback method? the forums?

[eager spire]

actually testing it is optional.

[radiant prism]

Yes.

[pearl ridge]

So you'd like it if it was worse?

[viral oasis]

Yeah good luck with that

[acoustic seal]

smoke signals and prayer

[solid imp]

I feel that, it's a legit approach they could have taken but his ADS speed was really really high, it wasn't just about the gap between him and everyone else.

[viral oasis]

Forums follow the same rules as community hubs

[arctic grove]

They directly take player feedback from here. But it’s been a while

[eager spire]

i think these things would make BF1 a more fun game to play actually.

[pearl ridge]

You don't like sweet spots so you instead want them replaced with universal one shots?

[viral oasis]

Forums, community hubs, surveys

call it whatever

[pearl ridge]

Fucks sake

[radiant prism]

Because if we just let any random yobbo in here to give their 2 cents on the game, and if DICE really listened to every one of them...we'd get a complete shitshow.

[arctic grove]

They considered a lot of player feedback from this discord for map design, the class system, etc

[eager spire]

from 20-30 meters, with infantry bolts.

[viral oasis]

Find common themes

ask people

for priority

[radiant prism]

Its almost like

[viral oasis]

work on them?

[eager spire]

This only applies to Infantry bolts.

[radiant prism]

They do that

:)

[arctic grove]

I dunno man. He said he’s a dev, he knows

[eager spire]

scoped bolts don't get that.

[pearl ridge]

That's literally the sweet spot system!

[sharp marten]

That’s what they do 💀

[eager spire]

no it's not

[pearl ridge]

You just made it so every gun plays the same!

[eager spire]

because it's not arbitrary.

[spiral folio]

Mannn i wish they added a straight pull bolt

[viral oasis]

yeah and my point is it needs to be more - it's a bit too little a bit too late

[eager spire]

You get oneshots in close-mid range. that's it.

[radiant prism]

Literally class update has been driven exclusively from, yknow, common themes that they've gotten from the community?

[viral oasis]

we getting a new soft relaunch as though it's a beta

[pearl ridge]

Sweet spots made it so each rifle actually had its niche

[shell ermine]

I'm of an older school of console shooters where a lot of my aim comes from strafing, so the slow speed of everyone else in 2042 was literally unplayable for me

[solid imp]

Direct feedback is players playing the game and using stuff in certain ways. They watch what the whole playerbase is doing not just absorb community feedback via The Written Word

[viral oasis]

Yes but it's Jan 2023

[spiral folio]

Beretta has this awesome straight pull rifle they showed at shot show

[pearl ridge]

And that was a good thing.

[radiant prism]

Soft Relaunch? Lmao, its just a fucking update

[spiral folio]

Yea .. like why bother fluffing it up with names

[arctic grove]

The soft relaunch is when they add my AI ski-

[sharp marten]

It’s really not “a little to late” they hear us and they’re fixing the game I think you’re just talking to talk at this point

[willow sky]

I thought people wanted the class system back, why are some people disliking it?

[eager spire]

sweet spots were arbitrary and frankly annoying to play against. I'd rather infantry bolts just be usable in close-mid range, rather than get oneshot to the body by some dipshit 50 meters away just because that happens to be the sweet spot for the gun he's using.

[sharp marten]

They also do look at discord

[shell ermine]

They should've soft relaunched BFV as Battlefield 1944 by adding Eastern Front content and making a current gen version.

[arctic grove]

I dunno tbh. It’s a way better system imo

[grizzled whale]

Im gonna call it, playercount averages at 12k now, its gonna go to 20-30k, then drop to 10k

[viral oasis]

You do you

[pearl ridge]

Like, in BF4 there's only one truly good sniper rifle, the M98, because it has a big mag and the most powerful rounds. There's no point using anything else because they otherwise all have similar ballistics and speed.

[solid imp]

If you talk about weapons and have legit feedback about weapons, Monday is your day for discord to connect you to devs 😉

[eager spire]

That is not true in the slightest

[acoustic seal]

we're still trying to get mouse input working a year and change after the game came out

[spiral folio]

I dont expect a good large caliber rifle in 2042

[viral oasis]

😂😂😂😂

[idle lion]

@solid imp is the Rex revolver ADS misaligned?

[sharp marten]

Yeah see you have no counter argument

[grizzled whale]

Mouse input was always good, thats just a skill issue

[solid imp]

I didn't mean me personally 😂

[eager spire]

M98B and SRR-61 were good in BF4 because they had the highest bullet velocity.

[radiant prism]

Mouse input is fine though??

[solid imp]

I legit wish I worked at DICE to have a hand in stuff

[spiral folio]

Like juuuuust because semi-auto. 50cals have been used by the army since 1989

[viral oasis]

I don't bother arguing over mute points

[sharp marten]

Super skill issue tbh

[solid imp]

But I do not lol

[viral oasis]

it was the lowest-rated installment in the Battlefield series

yes it's improved

but too little

too late

im all for improvements

[acoustic seal]

yeah that's why we're on our 3rd round of speculative fixes this next patch, because it works fine

[eager spire]

There were use cases for the other bolts, like the M40A5 or GOL Magnum, which had the advantage in fire rate.

[viral oasis]

i'm just hoping it fixes before the new BF comes out again

[pearl ridge]

And the M98 also had ten rounds where every other .338 sniper had five

[radiant prism]

Damn splitting up your messages makes your point so much more pertinent

[spiral folio]

The m82's older than the super nintendo but its too high tech for 2042

[grizzled whale]

ive never had an issue with mouse input.
Skill issue

[sharp marten]

No you don’t bother arguing because I’ve already contradicted what you’ve said

[eager spire]

The Scout Elite was good at hipfire.

[radiant prism]

I can almost hear the shit eating grin on your face

[sharp marten]

[pearl ridge]

The Scout Elite was fucking useless

[arctic grove]

I don’t think he’s a developer at all. Or at least one for a very complex game

[radiant prism]

As you say the exact same thing people say about every single BF game for the past 5 years

[pearl ridge]

5.56 bolt action?

[eager spire]

skill issue.

[radiant prism]

ooooh take your meds, nice argument

[pearl ridge]

It's a toothpick.

[sharp marten]

Please keep arguing with me so I can continue to prove you wrong

[pearl ridge]

Might as well have given me a .22 hunting rifle.

[sharp marten]

[grizzled whale]

go on, take a 5.56 to the head

see how you feel

[viral oasis]

Your argument is that they're improving the game? I agree, my point wasn't that they're not. My point is other stuff should've been prioritised much earlier; it's 1+ years since a broken launch

[lucid goblet]

Bruh what are arguing about today?

[spiral folio]

Like the starter rifle in bf3

[willow sky]

theres a bunch of things going on at the same time

[acoustic seal]

how the fuck are you going to argue against the ONE THING they actually put in the patch notes? are they meant to be placebo every time? is the ghost of alan kertz still haunting dice?

[arctic grove]

“They’re not improving the game because they don’t do what I want”

[viral oasis]

I never said that

[pearl ridge]

If you're using a bolt action, you need the calibre to actually be worth the cumbersome nature of the system. 5.56 ain't that, it's an assault rifle cartridge, pure and simple.

[shell ermine]

2042 was in a graveyard spiral and DICE has managed to pull out, but best they can do is a controlled crash landing

[spiral folio]

I didnt bother much siwith bf3. Got it free tried it. The starter weapons were garbage

[viral oasis]

I'm saying they are improving it but for the third time - not fast enough, and not the right things

[grizzled whale]

how?
Well like i said, i never had an issue with mouse input at all, it always worker as it should for me.
So yeah, skill issue

[sharp marten]

No have you read anything I’ve said my argument is that they’re listening and fixing what they think and what the community thinks need to. Nance or be fixed so cope harder please

[viral oasis]

But go ahead

[solid imp]

It's a bit of this and that but feeling a bit like Dec 2021 in here 😂

[eager spire]

It oneshot in close range just like every other bolt in the game. the only sniper rifle I would say is actually useless in BF4 is the CS5, and that's due to low bullet velocity.

[radiant prism]

Ok, then what are the right things? Ball's in your court.

[arctic grove]

You said they aren’t improving the game but you say it’s too little too late because there isn’t an entire squad management system. Which honestly? Is not fookin important

[spiral folio]

Bf1 5 and 2042 had good starter weapons

[acoustic seal]

"i don't play at a high enough level to notice the problems so there is no problem" got it

[grizzled whale]

ha

thats funny

[sharp marten]

Dude said “they’re not fixing stuff fast enough for me so I think they should do it faster because I said so”

[grizzled whale]

many people in here can vouch for me as a very much high skill player

[viral oasis]

sigh 😂

[radiant prism]

Its crazy how all this talking about the game comes back around to personal insults

[shell ermine]

Just like "attrition is only not a problem if you have a sub-1kdr" right?

[pearl ridge]

Relying on the testimony of only the top 1% of players is how you get shit balance

[arctic grove]

He’s good at the game

[eager spire]

also, made a mistake, i said the M98B had the highest bullet velocity of the snipers in BF4, but it's actually the JNG-90, with 670 m/s

[arctic grove]

Check out his clipz

[sharp marten]

You stay holding L’s 💀

[arctic grove]

His sick clipz, bro

[grizzled whale]

if i can hit sniper shots at 35600dpi, 50fov and 100 sens

how am i gonna complain about mouse input issues

[eager spire]

I think the input of people who know what they're talking about is generally valuable, more so than the value of someone who can barely play the game.

[spiral folio]

I wish 2042 had a tankgewehr equivalent

[eager spire]

you did that once.

[grizzled whale]

twice

[eager spire]

Okay, twice.

[grizzled whale]

still

[sharp marten]

Snooper

[arctic grove]

thrice

[eager spire]

And you're still gonna hold that over everyone else?

[grizzled whale]

yes

as an example

[sharp marten]

Skipper is just a walking W

[eager spire]

Like, DICE have confirmed that there was indeed an issue. It's literally been in the patch notes.

[grizzled whale]

i never had a single issue with mouse input, and did that

[pearl ridge]

I don't think Slidey McGee and his surgically-attached hipfire PP-29 is really a viable source for balance discussion

[eager spire]

Angel, you're being ridiculous.

[sharp marten]

Literally I’m watching you lick windows rn cry harder

[grizzled whale]

so in my eyes its a skill issue

[arctic grove]

Why is the game developer calling people autistic?

[sharp marten]

He’s not a game dev

[eager spire]

it's clearly not a skill issue in the eyes of the people actually working on the game.

[viral oasis]

when did i say im a game dev???

[arctic grove]

He said he was but I kinda don’t feel like it’s true

[viral oasis]

you genuinely need to read better

[grizzled whale]

skill issue for them too then

[viral oasis]

reply to the message where i said im a game dev?

[eager spire]

Oh my fucking god.

[sharp marten]

He doesn’t know shit about making shit

[solid imp]

Everyone can definitely cool off a bit.

[viral oasis]

what's wrong with you both? are you like paid by DICE lmao?

[solid imp]

Enough of the sniping

[eager spire]

Angel, shut the fuck up. you're being ridiculous.

[grizzled whale]

rude

[sharp marten]

Yes I’m a paid actor

[eager spire]

:I

[arctic grove]

hmmm yes… reading comprehension….

[sharp marten]

Birds arnt real

[viral oasis]

it doesn't say game dev

[radiant prism]

cough

[viral oasis]

lmao

game dev?

are you being serious or trolling me right now

[arctic grove]

Contextual clues would lead me to believe you are talking about GAME development

[pearl ridge]

I don't get why the devs' response to "this thing moves too fast" is to make everything else that fast too rather than just, you know, nerfing it

[radiant prism]

Then what were you referring too? Lmao

[sharp marten]

He’s a dev guys don’t worry

[viral oasis]

of this

[arctic grove]

General ADS definitely needed a buff imo

[radiant prism]

Do you realize there are very few contexts in which what you said doesn't imply game dev

[sharp marten]

[pearl ridge]

It really doesn't!

[eager spire]

things being fast is not always a bad thing.

[pearl ridge]

Like fuck I'm not here to play COD!

[grizzled whale]

anyway, hope yall will have fun with this game, cuz i sure wont anymore

[eager spire]

yes it did actually, ADS movement speed being slow sucks for gameplay.

[sharp marten]

I can feel the mods watching rn

[eager spire]

YOU'VE BEEN PLAYING COD WITH LARGE MAPS AND VEHICLES SINCE FUCKING BF3

[grizzled whale]

finally had a BF game i thoroughly enjoyed playing, more than any of the previous games, and they just had to fuck with it by putting classes back in

[pearl ridge]

Mackays are the bane of my fucking life because they ADADADA like a motherfucker

[viral oasis]

with people like you existing in this franchise, i can see why we're heading where we'd heading

[spiral folio]

My brother was a game developer but you probably never heard of the company not that I'll say it

[willow sky]

BF2042 feels way more balanced than most fps games out there imo

[pearl ridge]

And now everyone will be doing it

[grizzled whale]

its kind of a funny easter egg though, classes

its in the name

[arctic grove]

Ah yes. Here we go with the finger pointing lmfao

[eager spire]

skill issue.

[grizzled whale]

clASSes
Thats what the game will become

[spiral folio]

Being a developer is just a job and lots of people have it

[sharp marten]

It’s headed in the right direction you just need to cope harder

[radiant prism]

In what world is 2042 not headed in the right direction

[arctic grove]

He doesn’t get his squad management system after posting about it on Twitter twice and says Battlefield is doomed lmfao

[willow sky]

oh LOL

[grizzled whale]

Good thing steam didnt agree with activision's cross game hwid bans, so i can dump my time in mw2 now

[shell ermine]

They should've taken it a step farther and locked weapons to classes

[radiant prism]

Almost the entire community with the exception of this guy apparently agrees the game has improved massively

[sharp marten]

Bros trying so hard to make a valid argument

[spiral folio]

We'll see how this class nerf goes. I am sub-optimistic but I'll watch and see

[viral oasis]

I said the game has improved

[pearl ridge]

This game still lacks several central features.

[viral oasis]

you are fucking blind genuinely if you cant read that

[solid imp]

Yes

[viral oasis]

I've said it 4 times

[radiant prism]

Oooh more ad hominem great

[grizzled whale]

Kaos is preparing the mute button

[radiant prism]

Please insult us more

[arctic grove]

now he’s getting angwy

[viral oasis]

What's wrong with you 3?

[shell ermine]

I hated the all class weapons in BF3 and BF4. I was so happy when BFV didn't do that

[pearl ridge]

Like we're talking basic-bitch "how could you have possibly missed this" features

[sharp marten]

Sir calm down don’t talk to my paid actor like that please

[acoustic seal]

i'm still waiting for mouse input to work

might finally be over tomorrow, hopefully (please)

[radiant prism]

Feels fine to me homie, dunno what to tell ya

[sharp marten]

Skill

[pearl ridge]

Like a goddamn server browser

[viral oasis]

did you read this?

[spiral folio]

My plan for the class change will be lean the chair back and watch people go
"What?! I cant do THIS anymore?!"

And itll be the same people that are shilled hard for classes

[arctic grove]

Definitely agree. Our point is just about this dude who’s saying all sorts of shit over a feature that appeared in V

[radiant prism]

Plus, even if people are having issues with that still, does that discount all the other major improvements the game has made and is about to make?

[sharp marten]

Cope

[grizzled whale]

no more tactical mackay gameplay

[acoustic seal]

being able to aim at people is way too fundamental an issue to leave unchecked for this long

[spiral folio]

Tactical is one word for for it

[grizzled whale]

them nerfing the spawn beacon on top of locking it to a class too

[sharp marten]

Angel shills again

[grizzled whale]

bruh

[spiral folio]

"What i cant set up a magic portal on top of a container maze?"

[arctic grove]

Honestly I wouldn’t say the beacon is nerfed

[grizzled whale]

4 spawns and then it destroys

[pearl ridge]

Spawn beacons being universal to all recons is not a nerf

[radiant prism]

If your mouse input is that bad, you might need to check your hardware

[pearl ridge]

Should've been a spotting tool in that slot

[grizzled whale]

you just know im gonna put one down, my shitty squad mates are gonna spawn on it 4 times and its gone before i can even use it myself

[acoustic seal]

maybe if i deny it hard enough it'll go away

[arctic grove]

Spawn beacons have always had models that make them very easy to distinguish

[shell ermine]

I foolishly bought 2042 on release but I haven't spent a dime on it since. I'm not the kind of player EADICE wants to retain, I'm not a whale.

So their metric for success is not MAU but how many whales they have.

[spiral folio]

The reason beacons are on recons is

1. The class sucks so nobody will use it
2. Mackay and squirrel suit cant use it

[arctic grove]

If that’s what you mean anyway is the model

[radiant prism]

sigh I'm not denying it. I'm just saying you're blowing it out of proportion.

[arctic grove]

When they added the leg things to it

[upbeat sand]

Now what mouse or monitor are you using

[grizzled whale]

mackay not being able to use it anymore is a nerf though

[spiral folio]

Yea

[pearl ridge]

That's not a nerf, that's a correction

[grizzled whale]

no thats a nerf

[spiral folio]

Imo mackay not getting it is the main reason it's recons

[eager spire]

"NOOO I CAN'T PUT A FREE BACK SPAWN ON TOP OF A PLACE THAT BARELY ANYONE CAN GET TO ANYMORE"

[radiant prism]

Its almost like all this bitching is distracting from actually talking about the game

[upbeat sand]

Sounds like your playing a gldsrce game with Vsync on

[radiant prism]

Fucking christ

[shell ermine]

You can still get beacons in odd places with squad spawning

[grizzled whale]

and the primary reason im quitting 2042

[sharp marten]

Is anyone else enjoying this as much as I am

[arctic grove]

Mackay and Sundance don’t really need them tbh. Assaults mobility should allow you to get the drop on people but not in places where effectively nobody else can reach

[spiral folio]

A correction in which you remove things is a nerf by literal definition

[radiant prism]

If I wanted to talk over the same three criticisms over and over again I'd go scroll through reddit

[arctic grove]

And then respawn on them over and over again

[grizzled whale]

"barely anyone" more than 60% of players use mackay and sundance, to they very well can get up there

[spiral folio]

Stop semantic-ing about it

[upbeat sand]

2042 may have Polaris and Logitech partnerships

But do they have Uncharted 3 subway commercials

[arctic grove]

chat is so wholesome this morning lol

[pearl ridge]

I can't wait to play as Rao and hack stuff so literally everyone will ignore the target until the effect wears off while I stand there with my dick in my hand

[radiant prism]

Why did I wake up this morning to this

[lucid goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/round-and-round-keep-going-7bb6-gif-19255577

[arctic grove]

Tomorrow I believe

[spiral folio]

"Its not a nerf its a correction"
"Not so much as a correction as an update"
"More like a redirection than a correction or update"
"Really its a nerf"

[lucid goblet]

Tomorrow!

[radiant prism]

Tomorrow yeah

[grizzled whale]

why did i wake up this morning

[sharp marten]

You see Carpo is enjoying it

[eager spire]

sounds like an overexaggeration, you do this because it makes the spawn beacon inconvenient to destroy. now that you can't do that and get free back spawns, you're angry and don't wanna play the game anymore.

[grizzled whale]

which is exactly what ive been saying

[eager spire]

I mean, you're welcome to leave. I'm sure few people would miss you.

[grizzled whale]

awh you are angy

cute

[sharp marten]

I would miss him

[arctic grove]

I would miss him

[eager spire]

i'm not that angry, i'm just saying what's going on here.

[sharp marten]

Your goofy ass can leave tho

[eager spire]

if anything you're more angry than i am.

[lucid goblet]

Usual time i believe, so should be 9am GMT

[viral oasis]

This place is just 3 people picking on random people 😂

[arctic grove]

Angel posted some noice clips

[grizzled whale]

Anyway, my entire playstyle is flanking around, and making a spawn for myself so i can distract the enemy team

[viral oasis]

If boosting got you a spot like that, I'll get 30 boosts

[grizzled whale]

not much wrong with that playstyle

[arctic grove]

Bro we better figure out who those guys are

[eager spire]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[grizzled whale]

And now with the reduced grapple range, it sucks even more

[viral oasis]

if you want a circle to reinforce your own ideas

make a server

[arctic grove]

what’s that

[grizzled whale]

most of the good spots mackay could get to were at the max range of his grapple

[viral oasis]

talk between yourselves and im sure you can give yourselves as many roles and privileges as you like

[grizzled whale]

making it pretty useless now

[radiant prism]

Wow, homie is actually upset that we don't agree with him.

[arctic grove]

you are in make believe world if you think

[viral oasis]

the projection you do is incredible

[arctic grove]

this is an echo chamber

[eager spire]

what are you talking about

[sharp marten]

ITS A NERF

[radiant prism]

Oooooh the projection card, niiiice

[sharp marten]

ITS NERF OR NOTHING

[sharp marten]

RIGHTlmao

[grizzled whale]

i got loads of funny mw2 clips now

far better game

[spiral folio]

Akchuly its more of a rebalance removing things than a nerf

[eager spire]

funny

[arctic grove]

play 2042 (now)

[sharp marten]

Mom said it’s my turn to be a notepad

[patent path]

what

[eager spire]

i don't know

[light nacelle]

welp

[sharp marten]

[light nacelle]

bought the game, install it, got an error

first impression, very cool

[eager spire]

oof

[arctic grove]

reinstall

@sharp marten

[radiant prism]

If you were here for any other reason than to just bitch incessantly, you'd know that most of us in here will happily talk about the game critically. The fact that you call this an echo chamber speaks only to your own closed mindedness.

[viral oasis]

what's the error?

[radiant prism]

What kind of error?

[sharp marten]

I came

I saw

I conquered

[light nacelle]

0xc0000142

The application was unable to start correctly

Truly a Battlefield moment i experienced

[arctic grove]

Veni vidi vici

[viral oasis]

try reinstalling the anti cheat again

[lucid goblet]

Sounds like an easy anticheat issue, repair/reinstall EAC through the main game install folder.

[viral oasis]

does the mini splash screen pop up?

[light nacelle]

going to the local files ?

[viral oasis]

yeah in the game folder

it's in an EasyAntiCheat folder if I'm not mistaken

[light nacelle]

kewl

[sharp marten]

I wish observer was here he’s missing out

[light nacelle]

no DICE

that issue appeared again

[viral oasis]

same error?

[eager spire]

i'd google the error code and try whatever solutions you can find.

[light nacelle]

small screen does pop up, and with the error code afterwards

[viral oasis]

does the slider fully load? you see the small screen with the mini panda looking EAC thing in the bottom left of the splash screen?

[light nacelle]

yes

[viral oasis]

did you reinstall EAC with admin?

[light nacelle]

to all

hm, will try that

[viral oasis]

make sure you're running the setup file - it should come up with a UI with a big fat button in the middle

very simple UI

and ensure the entire folder is in any antivirus exclusion lists

[light nacelle]

still a no

[hexed mango]

ah, time to wait patiently until 9:00UTC tomorrow

[light nacelle]

same error

[pastel loom]

is my statement justified? @eager spire #battlefield-2042 message

[eager spire]

meh, still don't trust you.

[light nacelle]

noticed there are two games in the EAC Setup though

[viral oasis]

re-verify game integrity

2 ?

[light nacelle]

already done through Steam

[radiant prism]

Did you google the error code?

[viral oasis]

is EA play open?

[light nacelle]

yep

[viral oasis]

sounds stupid but try giving everything a restart - if it still doesn't work, i'm not sure what will but maybe try running the launcher directly. from the game folder

are you launching via steam or EA?

[mental cave]

Or if you GPU undervolt might just not be a stable tune

[light nacelle]

Steam

no tuning

[radiant prism]

Try the EA app

[patent path]

don't undervolt your gpu, not worth

[mental cave]

why

[patent path]

stability issues

bsod all day every day

and when you can find a good spot, it usually doesn't matter since it's such a small UV

[mental cave]

Lol if you have an nvidia card an undervolt is 100% worth

small change and no stability issues saves you 100watts

and some temp

[patent path]

I mean if it's about saving electricity usage sure but performance wise it's not noticeable, at least to me

[mental cave]

its not supposed to be noticeable

the point is just to save as much power and keep the temps low without sacrificing performance

[sullen musk]

Hello guys, should i buy Ultimate Edition of BF2042 or its not worth it (30$ difference). Ty 4 advice

[mental cave]

nobody is out here dropped their usage below 300 probably

[light nacelle]

hm

[light nacelle]

well

[mental cave]

1950mhz is probably best for a 30 series

[radiant prism]

Any luck from the EA app?

[light nacelle]

me

[next onyx]

The 30 series consumes a lot of power. It's normal.

[light nacelle]

nope

my GPU consumes 150W at best

[next onyx]

Would rather not underpower my GPU, I'm using it for power, Nothing else.

[mental cave]

jesus

[next onyx]

150 isn't even that much.

[light nacelle]

all stock

[mental cave]

a 30 series? on 150?

[next onyx]

That's not bad even.

[mental cave]

when playing a game?

[light nacelle]

yea

[mental cave]

not just idle

and you never have any issues?

[light nacelle]

playing games might lower it to 120-125

[mental cave]

1080p?

[light nacelle]

yep

[mental cave]

ah ok

[lucid goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-maximum-power-power-spongebob-squarepants-full-power-gif-22777727

[arctic grove]

If you like the added stuff I’d say go for it

[next onyx]

Haha.

[light nacelle]

i mean, it's a mobile GPU, so

[radiant prism]

I think the only thing Ultimate really adds is some skins

So if you're a skin goblin like me it might be worth it, otherwise just grab the standard edition and upgrade to ultimate later if you want

[patent path]

get.all.the.skins.

[light nacelle]

RTX 3070Ti Mobile

i can see most of you are desktop

[patent path]

I'm on laptop

3060

doesn't even go past 65 degree C during heavy GPU load

[light nacelle]

I'm verifying integrity again

[patent path]

my cpu on the other hand is a toasty boi

[light nacelle]

does this game requires any special requirements ?

[idle lion]

@next onyx is the rex revolver iron sights ads uncentered?

[patent path]

beefy cpu

[light nacelle]

Secure Boot, TPM module

[patent path]

nope

[light nacelle]

like Val for example

[idle lion]

Eac isnt as much of a spyware as valorant anti cheat is

[lucid goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[light nacelle]

Alright, i guess i should uninstall EAC and reinstall the whole anti cheat

[patent path]

I disabled secure boot because I modded my bios, haven't enabled it yet

[light nacelle]

just tried Apex and same error

[idle lion]

For the love of god has anyone else noticed the unaligned ads on the rex revolver from portal

I have asked so many times and no one has responded

[patent path]

that's because nobody uses that turd lol

[idle lion]

At this point i think im going insane

[eager spire]

at this point i think you need to take the hint

[patent path]

rex is such a shit gun, irl and in-game

[idle lion]

Its lovely for close up kills

[eager spire]

the glock is better.

[idle lion]

Yes but a revolver is cooler

[sharp marten]

Rush XL is back baybee

[patent path]

use the real revolver

the big iron

[idle lion]

The real revolver fires slower

This boi does same amount of bullets to kill and fires as soon as you click

[patent path]

wdym, it usually kills in 1 hit

[idle lion]

Im talking about body shots, it takes 2 hits

[light nacelle]

Hmm Visual C found something

[patent path]

put an acog on, hnnnng

[idle lion]

Im talking close range

[light nacelle]

Oh yea, I don’t have any .NET Framework in Control Panel

probably .NET Core is enough

[pearl ridge]

I use the Rex because it's not the fucking M44

[light nacelle]

@radiant prism @viral oasis @eager spire fixed

[pearl ridge]

Personally I'd rather have a Webley but someone decided to keep portal weapons to modern ones only

Like a boring person.

[eager spire]

ok

[light nacelle]

Method used: Repaired Visual C 2015-2022

[hearty terrace]

we should start a petition for all chat!

we need it

[patent path]

nah

[drowsy shuttle]

So update is confirmed for tomorrow?

[edgy oriole]

yea

[drowsy shuttle]

Noice

[polar jay]

The next update will make bf2042 a mobile pay to win game because the developers have no idea what to do anymore

They don’t want to remortgage the house so they just want to make a quick buck and not get fired

[arctic grove]

wat

[polar jay]

I’m kidding lol

It’ll be a looter shooter srpg

Idk

[solid imp]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-what-confused-gif-25760097

[spiral folio]

To pick a vehicle you can get premium pass or watch a 30s ad for RAAAAAAID SHADOW LEGENDS

[polar jay]

LOOOL

[royal swan]

Update tomorrow

[polar jay]

Bf2042 trading card game

Draw card. Pay for DLC battle pass

Card only usable if you bought ultimate edition

[frosty mural]

When is update? It's been tuesdays right?

[royal swan]

Yeah

[spiral folio]

Just enjoy your freedom

[true slate]

Tomorrow, Dannyonpc just released a video

[upbeat sand]

Danny on Pc on his way to make 3 videos in the span of 2 hours

[royal swan]

I would hate if they removed the tracer jav combo

[radiant prism]

At least he doesn't pad them all to 10 mins and gets to the point

[upbeat sand]

Enders be angy

[royal swan]

He was

[upbeat sand]

Remember his nerf piak video

[royal swan]

I had to watch that entire video

[remote kiln]

https://twitter.com/Battlefield/status/1620089667965140997?t=rFHIjpl1szpdLV9emxsC1g&s=19

Battlefield (@Battlefield)

Update 3.2 for #Battlefield 2042 goes live tomorrow, Jan 31 @ 09:00 UTC

Update Notes 👇
https://t.co/N7lFVkyH91

Twitter · Jan 30, 2023, 4:00 PM

[royal swan]

Major problem he said. Boi it's not like you are going to sweep the lobby

[pine roost]

Yo that date is perfect, got no uni tomorrow :)

[oak sedge]

Big day tomorrow

I have to ask, do SOFLAM and Tracker Darts ignore flares yet?

I suppose not because ECM isn't in the game at this time, if ever

[arctic grove]

new classes patch when?

nvm 31jan

[remote kiln]

they do not

they haven't in older games either

[oak sedge]

I worded it wrong

If you shot a missile at a lasered target, flares wouldn't affect it

I didn't mean the SOFLAM itself

[remote kiln]

yeah

that's never been a thing in the older games

[sharp marten]

Lis got buffed

[remote kiln]

flares will always cause a locked on missile on route target to fail

[oak sedge]

Are you sure? i feel like I take adavntage of it all the time in BF4...

Maybe I'm just crazy lol

[remote kiln]

yes it's not what you're thinking

what you could do is relock onto the target

and that would reguide the missile back

but that's a secondary lock on effect

[oak sedge]

I learn something new every day

[royal swan]

Enders (he looks for his name here) the jav+tracer combo on infantry is a troll cheese, if I want effective kills I would use the railgun which I had done before. What about usage, will everyone use it, do you see an entire lobby using the railgun. NOPE. But we shall see tomorrow.

[remote kiln]

it was very lethal with the javelin as it has a more or less infinite lock on range with designated targets, the soflam designation isn't impacted by the flare activation as it only interacts with the on flight missile -> once the flares finish you could relock on and the javelin would hit the target

[hard geyser]

Since we get notes a little earlier now, will they edit them, or get added as a new section? If something changes within the week

[remote kiln]

you could do it too with certain combinations of GTL missiles

[sharp marten]

💀💀

[remote kiln]

they'll be edited in

there's normally an edit section at the top detailing what's changed

[pine roost]

Or they’ll just tweet out maybe saying what’s changed

[hard plume]

God i can’t wait for the thermal scopes, rush on 128 is too much with all those smoke grenades going off

[pine roost]

Hehe

It can’t see through smokes

[upbeat sand]

You cant see through smokes

[royal swan]

Too bad it's balanced, no smoke for you

[upbeat sand]

It can only see enviromental smoke

[hard plume]

Boooooo

[upbeat sand]

You saw what bf4 happened

[hard plume]

Then whats the point then

[upbeat sand]

It cannot be balanced

[hard plume]

Might as well not him then

[remote kiln]

thermals can't see through smoke, only IRV optics can

[pine roost]

To see people in dense foliage / dark places

[hard plume]

Lame

[pine roost]

It’s a based move on their part

[remote kiln]

what they can do is detect heat signatures in smoke, so you can see targets in smoke, but it's more difficult than just click shoot

[pine roost]

But it’ll be useful to snuff out those people who hide in bushes, that’s a big use

[hard plume]

I hate this game now, i’m quitting….unless they bring back bt 128

[remote kiln]

cya then lol

[willow sky]

bye

[hard plume]

But i hide in the bushes 😭

[pine roost]

Also the ability to see the outlines of players with reduced background detail just makes it a good sight

[plain needle]

Have fun in a different battlefield compadre

[pine roost]

From what I’ve heard I can’t actually tell what downsides there are compared to any other short range scope

[hard plume]

Non zoomable maybe?

Only has a certain range where it works properly?

[hard plume]

But they all suck

[pine roost]

Cause I always run the reflex or whatever red dot sight is available

[plain needle]

Battlefield 1 is the goat wym

You’re clearly young, it’s alright

[next onyx]

Thermals can see through natural map smoke but not player smoke.

[pine roost]

Bf4 still has that imbalanced thermal stuff and goated movement

[hard plume]

Well i do look good for my age, thnx

[plain needle]

Bt 128 should return in a playlist update, you’ll just have to wait, conq 128 is fireee though

[hard plume]

But nah, i never got into bf1 or 5, i don’t really like old war games.

[spiral folio]

The most use thermals will be is through thin cover ie windows, thin walls like the fences with a covering, maybe bushes/foliage

[plain needle]

Bf1 is hands down the most imperative game, but I understand

[pine roost]

I was in the same boat, skipped them at their respective launches

[spiral folio]

But i doubt itll work through hard cover

[hard plume]

It doesn’t have that focus chaos like bt 128 did, cept for exposure

[plain needle]

Yea true, just 64 players on each team fighting over a point, quite the spectacle I must say

[spiral folio]

2042 is the first modern era game ive got since play4free

[pine roost]

Dang

[hard plume]

It really gives you that modern day “storming the beaches of normady” vibes

[spiral folio]

Modern/near future adds to much
"Why isnt there this..." or then if they do add it its all "this is op!"

[plain needle]

That’s just little bitches complaining

[spiral folio]

Well for example it took this long for javelins which are how old

[plain needle]

Personally I’m excited for the new thermal optics

[spiral folio]

1996 so as old as the n64

[pine roost]

The javelins don’t really count since it’s just ported over from portal

[spiral folio]

And there's no laser guided or EM guided munitions

[plain needle]

It makes smoke grenades and the smoke launcher have more purpose finally

[pine roost]

Or rather, doesn’t strip away their sole purpose

[plain needle]

True

[hard plume]

I think they’re used quite enough actually

[pine roost]

In these maps especially where smokes are vital, someone being able to sit still and see clear as day through one where the attackers can do literally nothing against it doesn’t sound balanced

[spiral folio]

Its a weird thing of like going too future or going not future enough when you get modern stuff mixed in

[plain needle]

Since I’m a falck main I’m constantly spamming smoke on downed teammates and using the smoke launcher to obscure obj entry points

[pine roost]

Add titanfall jump kits and I won’t complain

[spiral folio]

You wont be able to use smoke much

Ammo boxes

[hard plume]

I’ll miss having spawn beacons

[spiral folio]

So chew on that a bit

[plain needle]

Pain

[spiral folio]

"Ha thermals dont work through smokes!"
-press G-
-press G-...

-run-

Well thst fine ill just use my ammo box and... -throws down a landmine-

[plain needle]

I’m also excited for the javelin to return aswell, it’s almost a 2 shot on most tanks so Crawford and Boris I feel will be seen much more

[ember basin]

anyone elses game not launching? stuck on the loading screen just after the anti cheat loads

[spiral folio]

They never said how much damage it does

[plain needle]

I seen a video where it almost two shorted a tank

Levelcap made a video

[next onyx]

I've seen the damage.

[spiral folio]

A prepatch video and did it show the tanks hp

[plain needle]

And what’s your opinion ?

[next onyx]

80 when fired to a TOR with its rear facing the player.

I think it's a little crazy.

[ember basin]

?

[next onyx]

Maybe I misread it.

[spiral folio]

Grain of salt and wait to see whats actually added

[next onyx]

Anyways.

[hard plume]

Oof, vehicles already have it bad enough

[next onyx]

I can't be here now.

[quaint vector]

Patch Notes says: ** New Suppressor, Long-range Scope and Thermal Scopes ** New Suppressor... 👀

[spiral folio]

If youre not here... how did you

[royal swan]

Is there a loading icon

[upbeat sand]

Wait is level cap a dad

[ember basin]

nope

[plain needle]

For the nvk shotgun

[cobalt tide]

You can use Rao's hack to see enemies through smoke

[plain needle]

Yes

[hard plume]

Thats what happens when people get old

[royal swan]

Restart the game, I had this exact problem every new day I play since launch

[plain needle]

And it adds the soflam lock to vics

[low timber]

For the S22 shotgun

[ember basin]

done that a few times will try again tho

[arctic grove]

new jet yet?

[plain needle]

No

[hard plume]

Nah

[royal swan]

No

[plain needle]

Maybe in season 4-5

[royal swan]

Maybe never

[plain needle]

True

[arctic grove]

I'm downloading war thunder then 🗿

[spiral folio]

Its likely enough that preview stuff might be accurate tilo the coming patch but proceed with caution cause anything is subject to change up to the moment of the patch

[royal swan]

Ew

[spiral folio]

Like unlikely but they can even delay the patch and go "yea we decided not to add X"

[plain needle]

The f-16a got added, that’s all I use now

It’s solid but the mig 29 definitely outshines it

[spiral folio]

F16a? How old is that

[arctic grove]

old?

[plain needle]

Early 90s I believe

Don’t quote me on that

[spiral folio]

Antique

[hard geyser]

Thanks

[royal swan]

I bet it's a unfun grind to, remind me to never play anything from that greedy ass snail

[plain needle]

It is 😓

Speaking of unfun

[arctic grove]

:|

[royal swan]

I hope that company is cooked and eaten by french people

[arctic grove]

if you wanna talk about fun games

Ace Combat 7

Very Fun

[plain needle]

They kinda made the assault class like a line wolf sorta class imo

[copper elk]

Sounds like BF 2042 might actually be fun again with the class changes. Might actually come back to it again.

[eager spire]

Also, I am going to remind everyone that that ADS speed nerf for drum mags will actually be put into the game, it's just not in the notes because Alex forgot about it. For some reason.

[plain needle]

You should, it’s very solid right now

[pine roost]

There are always an absolute tonne of undocumented changes

[plain needle]

And will be even better in the coming updates

[pine roost]

Often times the biggest ones aren’t noted down

[copper elk]

Curious how it runs now on my new 4090 as well.

[twin ledge]

How big of a impact will it have?

[royal swan]

Not much

[eager spire]

this is how it was during the test so

[royal swan]

I rather use extended mags

[plain needle]

I know they’re still having trouble with input but I’ve heard it’s cpu intensive

[arctic grove]

It won’t effect you if you didn’t already use them

like me

[royal swan]

TRUE

[arctic grove]

I am stealing MissLStarr's "about me"

[eager spire]

I'm assuming this is how it's gonna be. Frankly, I think the change is bad.

[copper elk]

Well upgraded that too from a 3900x to a 7900x. Should be improved too

[pine roost]

They will be basically unusable afterwards

[eager spire]

Drum mags already have 3 downsides, they don't need another one.

[plain needle]

Nice pfp, are you in?

[arctic grove]

"kindness is free so share it"
"kill em' with kindness"

[arctic grove]

Oh no I’m not, just a pic I found of a guy online

[twin ledge]

What downsides besides reload speed?

[plain needle]

Oh yea you’ll be fine, I’d definitely run the game and get hell if you have any issues

[pine roost]

Reserve mags

[eager spire]

Smaller ammo pool and more recoil

[royal swan]

Just use extended mags

[twin ledge]

More recoil?

[eager spire]

don't ask me how a drum mag adds recoil, that's how the game works.

[plain needle]

Oh sweet lol

[twin ledge]

wth

[plain needle]

On the scar or the vector?

[eager spire]

on any gun that has drum mags.

[plain needle]

Balance I assume

[eager spire]

eh

i think this change is stupid.

[arctic grove]

The drum mag on the SFAR is high power rounds so it has more recoil

[spiral folio]

Yea its stupid cause adding weight to a gun would reduce recoil but i can see it making control harder

[arctic grove]

At least it’s supposed to

[plain needle]

I just stick with the standard / extended mags on most guns

[twin ledge]

Man I just unlocked drum for scar

[pine roost]

It’s just made them unusable in close quarters. But if the change was made to reduce ‘combat time’ then they’ll still be in combat for that same duration

[spiral folio]

Like a .50cal machinegun doesnt recoil as much as you think cause it weighs 65lbs

[plain needle]

I personally use the standard rounds

[eager spire]

The claim they used to justify it is bullshit because anyone who lives long enough to run out of ammo with drum mags, which will happen faster cause they have less reserve ammo, will switch to lower capacity mags with the Plus System anyway.

[arctic grove]

they do some funny

[eager spire]

So the claim that "Nobody uses the lower capacity mags" is bullshit and shouldn't have been used to justify a change like this.

[plain needle]

Imagine if suppression was a thing in the game?

[spiral folio]

All theyd have to do is tick the control factor down a bit

[minor ferry]

buff ammo box!!!

now that there are less ammo box on field

[royal swan]

Ok while that's going on I will be over excited for the have + tracer combo

[eager spire]

imagine if you stopped talking

[plain needle]

😂😂😂

[minor ferry]

remove that cooldown system

[royal swan]

I do believe to lower the speed of the tracer but cheese is needed in this game

[plain needle]

Sundance is already cheese enough

[royal swan]

And besides if I want cheese kills I'll do less effort with the railgun

[arctic grove]

cheez

[plain needle]

Cheeze peezy

[plush hollow]

If someone has Amon box we should be able to go to them and interact to get Ammo tbh

[upbeat sand]

The cool-down lets me know when I'm gonna get a specific gadget

While I just need to wait there for a few seconds before realising I was full