But a Super hind can hover above a tank and destroy it without retaliation
#battlefield-2042
fresh lintel
next onyx
With the tor.
limpid pond
Yeah tanks galore
limpid pond
But a Super hind can hover above a tank and destroy it without retaliation
Yes which none of them ever do
fresh lintel
Becausw theyre farming crops
fresh lintel
Its because no one works together anymore.
sharp marten
I STAY WINNING 
fresh lintel
It might change with classes but yknow
fresh lintel
I'll still be the one to pull a Stinger or Wildcat if I can or a TOR to kill vehicles
limpid pond
No reason I'm getting shredded cqb by a scar or m5
fresh lintel
To be fair SFAR is super unbalanced.
limpid pond
Always has been ever since they buffed it
fresh lintel
Like its quite literally overused on console and its the most braindead shit.
limpid pond
Just headahot multis on the ar should be on the smgs like they use to be
I'm tired of getting roofed by a Mackay spammer that I have to sweat to counter
fresh lintel
I use a AK. I lose to a SFAR. I pull out a SFAR. I immediately dumpster the SFAR user and their team.
limpid pond
Like it literally comes down to be crouch spamming and cameraing Mackay players much less ar players
Lmgs I think are fine and so are snipers
fresh lintel
I don't have an issue with mackay since most of them are grounded or prone ontop, so I just throw a incen nade up to them
limpid pond
Smgs need rework. More recoil for smgs but higher damage output should be the balance
fresh lintel
LMGs need that delay to fire shit removed
rocky bear
I thought that was cuz of the sprint
limpid pond
What servers do you play on? I always get the streamer sweats that wanna be good and I piss on them
slow tulip
https://www.ign.com/articles/how-battlefield-2042-is-returning-to-its-classic-cl...
This feels like battlefield
fresh lintel
Every other gun can fire pretty much immediately but the LMG takes a full second to fire
limpid pond
Which is reasonable
rocky bear
Swag
fresh lintel
Canadian gang
fresh lintel
Yeah i'm east coast as well
limpid pond
Really should add some skins for the vault weapons tbh at least the mastery one
fresh lintel
I wouldnt mind at least the base camos
kindred flint
you mean their excuse for why vault weapons took so long to port over?
fresh lintel
Its one of the reasons why i dont touch vault weapons
limpid pond
Yeah same kinda weird how I get the badge but not the camo
fresh lintel
But I also refuse to T1 SFAR
acoustic seal
why lmao
kindred flint
its hilariously broken?
that said...i t1'd the ak..then ac42 and still havent done the sfar 
radiant prism
Meh I don't think the SFAR is that bad...
acoustic seal
it's a lot like ye olde aek where the margin by which it's the best is waaaay overblown by bad players
limpid pond
Just got two bulleted by an AR
radiant prism
I remember when the SFAR was truly bad though.
Like not broken, just painful to use
acoustic seal
it also doesn't hold a candle to specialist abilities in terms of brokenness, idk why the s-farm is the line in the sand
limpid pond
Ridiculous
pseudo pecan
are the armor piercing rounds even worth it? like do you use it to shoot vehicles?
radiant prism
I mean if you want to put them on an LMG, you could do a little damage but you wont be much more than an annoyance probably
rocky bear
72 assists is wild
rocky bear
I mean if you want to put them on an LMG, you could do a little damage but you w...
Honestly I feel that's how they're best used, although I remember someone saying something about using them on choppers. Seems like the tanks back up real quick unless they have solid support as soon as they start getting hit. Good to at least get them positioned better to blow up
fresh lintel
Stealth Heli just sitting above me all match trying to bomb me
I keep moving but I cant focus on the other air
I finally kill the bad after 20 minutes
He pulls a T28 and rushes me
Sometimes I hate the lack of proper spawn protection
radiant prism
Honestly I feel that's how they're best used, although I remember someone saying...
Yeah they're best used as AA or to counter light vehicles like LATVs or Hovercraft
rocky bear
it's funny to watch tanks run away from my little pebble bullets though
fresh lintel
The Wildcat really needs to be able to aim up higher because god damn
rocky bear
Sometimes I hate the lack of proper spawn protection
Oh you don't like spawning directly in front of someone and dying immediately?
What a shame
Idk why it can't go flat vertical
fresh lintel
I meant a tank shouldnt be able to troll up to our spawn
fresh lintel
Well if they cant then thats some small ass spawn on Kaleido
Regardless I still spent 90% of that match moving away from the little insect in the sky.
He didnt get to farm infantry thank god but its still so god damn annoying lmao
limpid pond
Ars need to be nerfed badly man
I'm actually sick and tired of dying the ars in 2-4 bullets when my smg at least takes 5
radiant prism
I mean ARs kinda are supposed to be better at range...
Get up close and they're fucked
limpid pond
I'm talking about cqb
fresh lintel
Hipfire is actually kinda wonky in the bad way
limpid pond
Cap. 1 headshot from an AR and you can't win
fresh lintel
Like I havent played a game with hipfire like this
radiant prism
Then just get headshots with the SMG
limpid pond
Doesn't do anything headshot multi was nerfed
formal imp
Aks
limpid pond
On smgs but buffed on ars
radiant prism
Idk man
fresh lintel
Ah that explains why it takes 30 headshots to kill
next onyx
Smg hs multiplier is just bad.
radiant prism
This is true
limpid pond
Its terrible
radiant prism
Well I guess its just me then
formal imp
Tanning salon fistfight
limpid pond
Pp29 isn't an issue
radiant prism
Maybe its because I tend to use the high power rounds
limpid pond
It basically an AR
radiant prism
Is the PBX not good up close anymore?
PBX was amazing last i used it
MP9 wasn't too bad either
Idk
limpid pond
It's mid no recoil makes it okay for distance and is 50/50 at cqb
Mp9 gets shredded
You have to hope you shoot first and even then you'll die if they hit all they're shots and leave them with 12 hp
fresh lintel
I don't know, even I personally have no issues with SMGs until its some dude with a SFAR.
But i'm also a 3KD sweat so
fresh lintel
Hell even a G57 fucking ruins SMGs.
fresh lintel
Its also busted af.
radiant prism
tbh
don't nerf the G57 (too much at least)
reliable sidearms should be normalized
sidearms shouldn't be weak
fresh lintel
If they made it bloom harshly and or nerfed its damage output i'd be fine.
Its a fast firing burst pistol that can one burst someone
radiant prism
Maybe just more damage falloff at range
fresh lintel
Its like the NS Pilot from Planetside on crack honestly
radiant prism
other than that I don't think it needs much change
fresh lintel
I mean damage fall off would stop it from acting like a pocket SMG/AR honestly, since I can go toe to toe with people usinf ARs with it
limpid pond
There's gonna be no point in using the pp2000 when it comes out with how bad smgs currently ar
radiant prism
Let it still be strong up close
fresh lintel
But it genuinely feels better than the NVK, which actually blooms like crazy and only has 14 shots
radiant prism
Agreed
limpid pond
They need to increase the damage on smgs and increase recoil
Still no reason I should get 2 spotted at cqb by an ar
limpid pond
Nah the damage could be tweaked up just a tad for up to 30m
radiant prism
Maybe
rocky bear
K30 rpm increase wooo
limpid pond
But like I said more recoil
radiant prism
2000 RPM K30?
fiery solar
60 revives as a challenge is worse than a boring 9-5
limpid pond
Vector is bugged anyways not worth using
Gun has a weird hit reg issue
Works whwn you don't need it to then doesn't when you do
radiant prism
I haven't used K30 in a long time
fiery solar
Shoot too fast dont register some
limpid pond
Yeah k30 hit reg is bad
rocky bear
It shoots so fast and the mag is tiny
limpid pond
It's almost like it has crazy bloom for a split second
fiery solar
I never used k30 I thought I would but only ever equipped it cause of the cool legendary camo in season 1
limpid pond
You can get a 50 round mag
It was good back when it was "op"
But even when it was "op" no many people used it
radiant prism
I'll have to use the K30 next time I get a chance
fiery solar
I went up 30 tiers yesterday doing missions trying to get as far as I can cause I spent $90 on battlepass and haven’t made it past 60 in any of them
limpid pond
Just used the k30 it's just bad man
idle lion
some people like crunaii really need to fucking touch grass
radiant prism
I'll have to give it a shot
Tbh I haven't used it since it got nerfed I think?
Idk I still die to it a decent amount
I'll try it
limpid pond
The most viable smg is the p90 rn
limpid pond
I know it doesn't look as cool
iron flume
P90 is bootyfull, how dare you
limpid pond
In terms of looks it would be the pbx
radiant prism
P90 is pretty nice
radiant prism
I used it in the 128P BT
limpid pond
I'm level 150 with it
Guns good
Just not to crazy
Any gun that's not an smg instantly kills and smg cqb if they headshot you period
radiant prism
I'd flank the attackers and just spraydown the attackers that would pile up on the front of the first obj
limpid pond
Yeah I have to do that. But the issue I have is head on gun fights
fathom osprey
2042 down for anyone?
limpid pond
What fun is only killing people that aren't looking at you
arctic grove
upd
limpid pond
Also I do wish the p90 iron sights were a tad better
limpid pond
Same. You have an msi monitor?
fiery solar
No some random one I found on Amazon to replace my old one
upbeat sand
No some random one I found on Amazon to replace my old one
Brah
fiery solar
Pixio I didn’t really look for monitors but it’s really good and upscales to 4k 165hz
rocky bear
Nice
fresh lintel
The K30 is just "Enough ammo to shred a person and move on"
Whereas the others get a little more mileage per mag
limpid pond
It's just not right is all
I can go to cod and get more use out of a smg then in 2042
Than*
upbeat sand
The K30 is just "Enough ammo to shred a person and move on"
They should remove the drum
fresh lintel
I mean fair. But SMGs do for some reason have more range than CoD Smgs
Wait it gets a fucking drum?
limpid pond
Yeah
limpid pond
K30 get a 50 round mag
fresh lintel
What the fuck.
limpid pond
Yeah been since launch bud
acoustic seal
k30 has a drum and you absolutely need it because half of your bullets disappear into the no-reg void
upbeat sand
Before that a 41 round extended standard issue
fresh lintel
I started this season at the last Breakthrough event LMAO
upbeat sand
31 amo high power
limpid pond
Issue with the drum Is the more you fire the more hit reg issues you have
Yeah k30 hit reg is terrible
limpid pond
Instead of just nerfing overall damage they thought it was a good idea to give it trash reg
Yeah doesn't k30 have 102 reserve
And mp9 has 52
fresh lintel
Thats just high RoF low tickrate games
rocky bear
No way the hit reg is intentional
limpid pond
I use the extend mag on mp9 with 41 bullets
upbeat sand
And mp9 has 52
Yeah K30 has 2 extra mags while the mp9 just has 1
fresh lintel
I'd use the base since faster reload tbh
limpid pond
Mp9 is literally that gun where you hope the enemy doesn't turn around
upbeat sand
Drums kinda get the reload to become way to slow for my liking
fresh lintel
Plus drums are getting nerfed
limpid pond
Don't even get me started on the am40
How is 1 gun alone literally better than every smg
Like the am40 should be an smg but it's not yet it destroys every smg
acoustic seal
huh??? am40 has shit for ammo and random horizontal recoil that none of the other guns have
limpid pond
Bro am40 is a beamer and cqb destroyer
upbeat sand
The am40 probably should do the same ranged damage as the smgs
arctic grove
AM40 is a headshot magnet
limpid pond
The gun actually makes smgs look like a joke
I have thousands of clips of me getting 2 tapped by an am40 or just destroyed before I turn a corner fully
All are cqb clips too
upbeat sand
Pp29 my beloved
fresh lintel
AM40 could use more recoil or something
upbeat sand
Most guns could go for more recoil
fresh lintel
It feels like a GD7F/Carnage AR.
limpid pond
Am40 has a short barrel along with a rifle caliber should 100% have more recoil
Or at least slower firerate
fresh lintel
As in really insanely fucking good in Planetside
upbeat sand
I don't think dice buffing the guns then making the attachments less powerful was the best ide
acoustic seal
As in really insanely fucking good in Planetside
keep the planetside comparisons coming, they're really funny because all the problems that made THAT game dead and irrelevant make THIS game dead and irrelevant
fresh lintel
Fucking bet
fresh lintel
Then lets go back to the PS2 discord and talk about cat girls in quaratine
And why the removal of the Lynx helmet was dumb
upbeat sand
Uh also planetside2 's performance has been getting worst overtime somehow
fresh lintel
Its Planetsife
arctic grove
planetside 2 almost blew up my ps4
fresh lintel
It quite literally does that
arctic grove
shit got so loud
upbeat sand
1 day if planetside keeps going like this
fresh lintel
Its also a PS4 mind you
arctic grove
Literally playing the game made me concerned 
zealous needle
is 2042 on playstations gamepass
upbeat sand
Perf will be worst than 2042 launch
acoustic seal
Fucking bet
ignoring core technical issues? ✅
downplaying bad player counts? ✅
letting people create bad gameplay in the name of the "sandbox"? ✅
arctic grove
Yeah I quit a really long time ago
fresh lintel
Playstations are god damn jet engines
arctic grove
Nahhh the PS5 is good on that front
fresh lintel
ignoring core technical issues? ✅
downplaying bad player counts? ✅
letting peop...
Starting to sound like a proper Planetside Vet there
acoustic seal
Wait, how is DICE downplaying a bad playercount
oh the community does that
arctic grove
ah
fresh lintel
I dont even know the player counts tbh. I just enjoy the game
acoustic seal
"steam numbers don't mean anything, ignore all the people who played on release and never again"
bitter skiff
"bad"?
arctic grove
I mean don’t you think it’s true that console player stats are at the very least proportional to the Steam playercount combined for Xbox and PlayStation
fresh lintel
Steam Numbers are important but I do feel like they arent life and death for a game
rocky bear
I dont even know the player counts tbh. I just enjoy the game
Fr, games fun, screw everything else
upbeat sand
"steam numbers don't mean anything, ignore all the people who played on release ...
Dammit EA just give us console and Ea app numbers
arctic grove
noh you don’t get the hard numbers
fresh lintel
They probably wont
arctic grove
2 bad
bitter skiff
I ALWAYS find a game in 2042. Since day one.
fresh lintel
But anyways Cat Ear helmet when?
rocky bear
Tuesday
upbeat sand
But anyways Cat Ear helmet when?
:333
arctic grove
I mean I don’t think many people pretend the game is booming. But it’s good to consider the total playercount using Steams playercount for total playerbase trends
fresh lintel
Can I also get cat ears for mechs if they come out? Thanks
arctic grove
And to a degree it is true that a game is going to have a significant player drop off after launch. It’s not exciting and hyped up anymore
bitter skiff
LOW PLAYA count 4EVA!
arctic grove
Like people are saying MW2 is dead/dying cause it went from like 500k on steam to like what 300k now
like wat
rocky bear
damn they really saying that?
arctic grove
ye
fresh lintel
I mean its losing players pretty fast
bitter skiff
who cares
arctic grove
Don’t get me wrong MW2 has problems that are definitely contributing to those players being lost but dead? Not remotely
fresh lintel
Like even i'm not playing it as much since its genuinely the hottest garbage of the decade
arctic grove
It’s got amazing feeling gunplay, animations and a gunsmith. But there’s so many factors that just make it hard to enjoy those things
Namely SBMM which I mean we’ve heard this 1 million times before
I can deal with the movement n shet but oh muh lord the free unpaid MLG tournaments man
fresh lintel
The gun smith is bloated with useless attachments and the camo grind is meh.
The gunplay is nice actually but the gun balance is bad to go along with mediocre perks, awful maps and a discouragement to run fast or play slow
arctic grove
But to avoid derailing too much I just think ‘dead game’ is being wildly misused for some weird reason
I wouldn’t say it’s bloated with useless attachments, look at it this way
The customization options are actually way more flexible for a more personable gun, which honestly is why I prefer it to the MW19 one for its options
fresh lintel
That and the gunsmith basically ends up being: What attachments make me aim faster and control recoil better.
Its a neat gun smith, but it drops the ball with the attachments and how many there are IMO
fresh lintel
And the 30 different silencers and grips.
fresh lintel
The Harbinger being the best silencer (No damage fall off.) And VX Pineapple being the best ADS grip
Options are good but there is genuine redundancy in the list
Like whats the difference between this laser that increases hipfire accuracy and recoil and the one that increases recoil and accuracy (i mean make them better not worse)
arctic grove
Nah jokes aside I hear ya
mossy badge
Ones red ones blue
2042 has thermals and ir scopes???
radiant prism
On tuesday it will have thermals
fresh lintel
Visual difference, what I mean like: in MW2 theres two lasers that do the same thing with no downsides
Its just ones blue ones red
mossy badge
After more than 1 year cool 
arctic grove
Yes
Assuming they were left out for so long because a mix of vital updootes needed and needing a new way to balance them
fresh lintel
But Thermals and IR are straight up a visual thing IIRC. I'm not really knowledgeable in their uses IRL despite the obvious
radiant prism
I don't think thermals or IR see a ton of use on scopes IRL outside of highly specialized spec ops stuff
Your average frontline solider probably doesn't have anything more than a red dot optic or low power scope
fresh lintel
Yeah I figure modern militaries have an ACOG as default, going off the American military with their M4's and what not
mossy badge
It's 2042
fresh lintel
i actually know less of my own military than I do the US military, but its still fuck all
arctic grove
Infantrymen it sorta depends
Iirc automatic riflemen(?) use elcans which is like a 3x
Most use acogs tho yea
fresh lintel
I use ACOG as an umbrella name, since god forbid learning each Scopes name
fresh lintel
What even uses a 1x red dot or holo even? Shotguns? SMGs? Carbines
Or is it straight up just "You might be in CQC go have fun with a red dot"?
radiant prism
EoTech's get used decently often and those are around 1.25x
Actually no
They're 1x right?
Idk
But EOTech style sights are decently common I think
Like you see them on SCARs all the time, especially with those little magnifying scopes
I guess this isn't on a SCAR like I thought lol but I see this alot?
vocal zenith
i always though eotechs with a magnifier always looked cool
radiant prism
They do
arctic grove
Oh yea eotechs are common indeed
fresh lintel
So wait that one on the left is.. To zoom in more?
radiant prism
So wait that one on the left is.. To zoom in more?
Yeah and it can flip off to the side if you just wanna use the RDS
vocal zenith
So wait that one on the left is.. To zoom in more?
yea ive seen eotech magnifiers that go to 4x i think
radiant prism
fresh lintel
Okay I was going to say, it looks a little counter intuitive but knowing you can just flip it
radiant prism
like this
fresh lintel
OOOH THATS WHAT THAT IS
radiant prism
yeah
vocal zenith
speaking of scopes did the youtubers playing 3.2 early play around with thermal scopes?
radiant prism
Uhhh I think a few did yeah
vocal zenith
ive only seen jackfrags video and him targeting infantry with the javelin lol
radiant prism
Zain's launcher also is getting a thermal scope now
vocal zenith
thats a good change
radiant prism
He's fallen to the clicks, shows people what they wanna see not how things actually are
his video on the railgun made it look like the most busted thing ever
when its just not
vocal zenith
He's fallen to the clicks, shows people what they wanna see not how things actua...
ah, i came back to watching him after he started doing star citizen videos
vocal zenith
i mean i wouldnt say the railgun is OP
radiant prism
scopes based
vocal zenith
it just lowers the skill celing of long range sniping
radiant prism
ye
vocal zenith
if you are good with a regular sniper riffle you can do the same lol
next onyx
1 second charge time for instant kill.
radiant prism
Also its difficult to use up close
vocal zenith
the charge up can result in u lossing a sniper duel tho
radiant prism
I mean, you can still do about the same with a regular sniper
vocal zenith
plus when charging ur you have a red glint telling the other snipers what ur doing
if im goning againts a railgun sniper and i see red i just duck lol
radiant prism
not to mention its full auto mode is a worse AK-24 and its burst fire is just useless
fresh lintel
I used to watch Jack and Level back in the day but now its just a video in a blue moon
next onyx
Ravic and flakfire are the only ones I've consistently enjoyed.
fresh lintel
Railgun is just the superior sniper since it has no bullet drop and OHKs every time
mossy badge
I watch jack for good quality video he is super boring but quality of video is nice always
next onyx
Musick and toomuchcyanide are good streamers.
arctic grove
I watched level extensively for his loadout series
fresh lintel
I havent seen Ravic play 2042 yet but I imagine hes still getting hackusations lmao
next onyx
I remember levels bf4 loadout series.
vocal zenith
Railgun is just the superior sniper since it has no bullet drop and OHKs every t...
bullet drop isnt really an issue if you get good with a single type of sniper riffile you get used to it and can do the same thats why i said the railgun isnt really op (maybe the ammo and magazine size is kinda broken) but overall it just lowers the skill celing as in you dont need to spend a lot of time to get good at it
fresh lintel
The issue for me is that I play on console so getting fast precise long range headshots is a no go for me
Because on PC i can just snap and fire way more easily than I can on xbone
radiant prism
Yeah Ravic is a good person to watch to get an idea of the game
Ravic and Mus1ck have really really good game knowledge too
Also Mus1ck's streams are so fun
vocal zenith
honestly i dont main watch any youtuber or streamers atm
vocal zenith
i miss the old days of bf4 youtubers
remeber watching battlefield friends and watching level cap lol
radiant prism
I'm too young in the franchise to have been involved with that stuff
My first BF game was BF1
vocal zenith
my first was bf3
solar tinsel
Heck when I started playing Battlefield nobody knew what YouTube was 😂
radiant prism
Damn
vocal zenith
i remeber that was the first game i got for the ps3, it was a birthday gift from my sister
junior glen
Kept a close eye on Jackfrags vids on 2042 and im about to buy the game. Is the year 1 pass + ultimate pack still worth it? I have no interest in the ultimate pack just the year 1 pass (if it is still worth it) how much time do I have left to utilize the year 1 pass?
bitter skiff
just get base game
vocal zenith
just get game pass and try it urself
bitter skiff
buy seasons as they come or earn boin by playing a lot
radiant prism
Yeah
vocal zenith
yea its 10 bucks but if you have game pass you get discount from the store since you also get ea play
bitter skiff
I usually have to pay $5 a season + BOIN
junior glen
Ayt base game it is
bitter skiff
whens this humdinger going on sale again I wonder?
bitter skiff
its $20 right now. Thats as low as I have seen it.
radiant prism
Oh hell yeah snag that shit
bitter skiff
High value @ $20
bitter skiff
BOOM
arctic grove
buy
radiant prism
CONSOOOM
bitter skiff
Start a go fund me, you will be playing in 1/2 hour
vocal zenith
plus update 3.2 is comming soon probably next week
which will finally stop those people still complaining about no classes
hexed mango
ngl its possible the update comes out monday because of what they said about giving the patch notes the week before
since now they aren't releasing the notes on monday and then the update the day after, i dont see why the update wont come out tomorrow
but either day could work
bitter skiff
gak
vocal zenith
id imagine 3.2 is releasing Tuesday
vocal zenith
i mean since bf2042 is a live service game i dont see them releasing before the week end
since u know in case of bugs
yea
if not monday def tuesday
vocal zenith
And jav them
yea and thats what im gonna do first when 3.2 drops
especially againts snipers
hexed mango
fr
need to have 1/2 my team play recon, and the other half play engineer, all with tracer or javelin respectively
vocal zenith
i wonder if rao can designate people
hexed mango
nah
vocal zenith
since rao hacks also designate vehicles
hexed mango
only vehicles
hexed mango
tracer works the way it does cause its a physical projectile
javelin gonna be so fun
and tbh i cant wait to play crawford and boris with their tweaks
sharp marten
and tbh i cant wait to play crawford and boris with their tweaks
I’m going to chase you with a EOD bot
sharp marten
vocal zenith
with how big the maps are in bf2042 the eod bot might actually see some use
if you need to repair a tank
hybrid totem
200m range
vocal zenith
while staying behind cover
hexed mango
wait where is it
tame cobalt
that's kinda poggers
vocal zenith
where is it?
tame cobalt
south africa
tame cobalt
lol ye
sharp marten
S3 update 3.2 boutta pop off
tame cobalt
if they make the map accurate to south africa, the levolution event will be a power outage
sharp marten
sharp marten
Some speculate that the S4 map is a No-pats hq under construction
tame cobalt
Noice
hexed mango
if they make the map accurate to south africa, the levolution event will be a po...
lel
well ngl
vocal zenith
u think we getting a water map
hexed mango
u think we getting a water map
no
vocal zenith
im still betting we getting a water map
sharp marten
No water maps in this game
tame cobalt
New map is where casper performs war crimes on his prisoners
sharp marten
No boats either
arctic grove
no flooded London map = gaem bad!12’wbwi2’qnq
tame cobalt
fact
next onyx
You ok?
tame cobalt
who
next onyx
Levi.
tame cobalt
sharp marten
hexed mango
fr
i mean the exodus trailer map would be neat. especially if it incorporates good building combat, like how floodzone does.
tame cobalt
Water map fans on their way to watch avatar the way of water
hexed mango
but i dont expect them to do it regardless
vocal zenith
Water map fans on their way to watch avatar the way of water
hah already watched it and it was good
hexed mango
Water map fans on their way to watch avatar the way of water
puss in boots 2 >>>>
tame cobalt
hah already watched it and it was good
W
hexed mango
eh it was alright
tame cobalt
cap
vocal zenith
we dont go watching a james cameron movie for story lol
hexed mango
||guy has a life that he leaves behind, travels to a new place, has to adapt into a new environment, has to fit in with the people, oh shit there's Americans who want to get rich, oh no they have a big battle.||
vocal zenith
its like how u watch a Michael bay movie for the explosions
sharp marten
New transformers >
tame cobalt
the plot is basic but the characters and themes and action are good
hexed mango
its like how u watch a Michael bay movie for the explosions
i watch for the boobs ngl
hexed mango
the plot is basic but the characters and themes and action are good
ehh
action cool, yes
but tbh the characters aren't too special
i literally only remember the young girl
tame cobalt
kiri is great
vocal zenith
honestly the navi people need to start developing ground to air missiles and they would win the war againts humans lol
hexed mango
kiri was the only special character. besides jake, whatever his girl's name is, and the army guy, nobody was really that special.
spider is stupid
vocal zenith
yea this movie jake is less of a main character
tame cobalt
so kiri, jake, neytiri, and quaritch are interesting in this movie
copper fulcrum
and then boy
tame cobalt
in the first movie only jake and neytiri were interesting
and yeah lo'ak was interesting to me too
copper fulcrum
human boy who was there
hexed mango
interesting, perhaps, i mean more like they actually did something, there were so many other characters that were just unspecial but were prominent for no reason
tame cobalt
interesting, perhaps, i mean more like they actually did something, there were s...
well spider is important for quaritch's development
copper fulcrum
Jake's boy gets other tribes boy in trouble and has a sub-plot that has no real meaning and only lasts for like 10 minutes
hexed mango
i mean the first movie also has grace, quartich
tame cobalt
but yeah spider could've been done a lot better
copper fulcrum
I don't remember anyone's names from the movie other than Jake
hexed mango
but regardless i just didnt think the story was super super special, it was basic and tbh not much different from the first. i just thought it wasnt ultra unique in a way to warrant a "best picture" or anything.
best visuals, 100%.
tame cobalt
i mean the first movie also has grace, quartich
ya but quaritch is one dimensional in the first
tame cobalt
eh, his motivations become much more interesting
arctic grove
@vocal zenith oh btw I wasn’t mocking you just to clarify in case you thought I was, just making a general joke
vocal zenith
nah
hexed mango
"avenge my previous self"
vocal zenith
its fine
vocal zenith
also the whole premise of humans abandoning earth is real dumb lol
hexed mango
idk my point is, besides the visuals, avatar just isnt super super interesting
copper fulcrum
There was also that moment in the movie where you see the boy rescuing his dad just so that there's more sequels in the franchise.
vocal zenith
there is no way earth which knows the navi are sentient beings will authorize the genocide of an entirly different alien species
look we are barbaric but not that barbaric
hexed mango
anyways im watching tlou ep3 :)
tame cobalt
"avenge my previous self"
i mean, that's a motivation u don't see every day and it's interested that he's so convicted in it, and then his doubt shines through
vocal zenith
i mean, that's a motivation u don't see every day and it's interested that he's ...
i mean he said it himself tho that he isnt a direct copy he is a different consciousness with his memories
i can see him turning againts the humans honestly
hexed mango
i mean, that's a motivation u don't see every day and it's interested that he's ...
true, but there's still the underlying urge of american capitalism, and i mean its not terrible, but i just think it isnt super special fitting with the movie
and again, not to say the movie is bad, its not, i just dont think its like the greatest movie ever, and i think it has flaws.
visuals are amazingly extraordinary and its worth its respect there, but i think its accolades run out fast after that.
tough folio
the bf4 soundtrack is so damn good
vocal zenith
also he is now navi whether he likes it or not lol, so once the humans start terraforming the planet he will have no where to go
tame cobalt
true, but there's still the underlying urge of american capitalism, and i mean i...
fair nuff
clever marlin
So I’ve been thinking
copper fulcrum
Don't do too much of that
clever marlin
We got some pictures of the upcoming map via temporyal
copper fulcrum
Those pictures really came from the concept art
tame cobalt
also he is now navi whether he likes it or not lol, so once the humans start ter...
tru
hexed mango
yeah all those pics were released a while ago
clever marlin
And the upcoming map is supposed to be that of past game
copper fulcrum
it's not like his tweet says they come from the concept art 
copper fulcrum
And the upcoming map is supposed to be that of past game
That's also Season 5
copper fulcrum
Yeah Season 5
vocal zenith
whats the next map called?
clever marlin
We don’t know
copper fulcrum
There's a leak but map names can change whenever
Hell, Breakaway was still being named when the game was revealed
copper fulcrum
That's the internal code name, those can change
next onyx
The map is based around something from the era of bf4.
For season 5.
Which is interesting.
vocal zenith
oh great another desert map
copper fulcrum
BF4 is connected to 2042
vocal zenith
lets hope its less open than hourglass
fresh lintel
Just tried flying on console
copper fulcrum
I think DICE said in a blog-post that BF4 was designed for infantry, and Hourglass is mostly a vehicle map
fresh lintel
Never again
clever marlin
I think DICE said in a blog-post that BF4 was designed for infantry, and Hourgla...
If that is true then why do I barely see vehicles on the map?
It’s no where near the equivalent of Silk Road of bf4
vocal zenith
they need to give more vehicles for ppl to use
like why can the random cars you see in the road be used lol
clever marlin
They easily need to double the vehicles for conquest
copper fulcrum
Vehicle counts are the same but it's designed to be more in favor for vehicles
clever marlin
Or make the maps a bit smaller
vocal zenith
or make sandstorms more frequent to provide infantry cover
fresh lintel
I wouldnt mind more vehicles since the maps are so open, more people get a vehicle and since the spawn timers for vehicles are so long
tough folio
Never again
wdym, its so easy
tough folio
beg to differ except for the f35, that thing just to slow for gameplay
fresh lintel
I'd rather wait to get a PC and just fly on PC
bitter skiff
yes
tough folio
they need to fix heli flight assist for console
clever marlin
They need to get the 25mm cannon to effect tanks
copper fulcrum
Stationary weapons
Crawford
clever marlin
I mean at objectives
copper fulcrum
Crawford
copper fulcrum
Lis
vocal zenith
how is lis op?
copper fulcrum
If I fire it, I am stationary until I lose control of the rocket
clever marlin
She fire a remote controlled rocket launcher that refreshes every 30 seconds
fresh lintel
She does less damage to tanks than the M5
clever marlin
And it’s getting a range and speed huff
copper fulcrum
It's not a very damaging rocket
vocal zenith
yea but its really only effective againts agile air targets
fresh lintel
Its a free infinite ammo rocket sure but its like
copper fulcrum
I think it takes like half the damage of an M5
fresh lintel
Buggy and low damaging
clever marlin
Combine that with landlines which she can use
vocal zenith
u cant even kill a super hind with lis
fresh lintel
It clips through vehicles more than it does damage
tough folio
liz is way too op for air, and shes getting an unnecessary buff
fresh lintel
I still havent seen a Lis kill a moving air target
vocal zenith
the only way to kill a hind to to aim at the cockpit with lis rockets to kill the pilot
tough folio
play air and find out
clever marlin
The only way to play with a condor or super hind is if you got a repair tool
fresh lintel
Yeah uh, only Wildcats and bad flyers kill me in the air
TORs too but still. I cant fly on console and I aint trying.
vocal zenith
the only time i get kills with lis is when there is a nearly dead tank or an idiot pilot lol
fresh lintel
Yeah exactly. If the pilot is hovering or flying straight theyll die
But Lis countering air? Eeeeh.
vocal zenith
she barely counters air lol
solar tinsel
liz is way too op for air, and shes getting an unnecessary buff
I guess we'll see how it plays out, but in all fairness a lot of it might simply be in-line with the overall push to make rockets a bit more effective now that they will be class specific
vocal zenith
she is good in keeping the helis farming your teams busy tho
i wish they allow lis rockets to detonate midair for less damage it will make her more consitant but i guess that pushing it to the levels of op lol
clever marlin
Also another thing
placid echo
I still havent seen a Lis kill a moving air target
I have a lot of clips if you want :p
clever marlin
They need to make hacking a vehicle prevent it from using repairs and flares
acoustic seal
it does?
vocal zenith
They need to make hacking a vehicle prevent it from using repairs and flares
oh god now that every engi gets a repair torch by default the super hind willbe even more unkillable
tough folio
They need to make hacking a vehicle prevent it from using repairs and flares
it already does.
clever marlin
No it doesn’t
acoustic seal
it definitely does, anyone with a brain pre-flares the hack
vocal zenith
They need to make hacking a vehicle prevent it from using repairs and flares
it does do that but good pilots flare before the hack finishes
solar tinsel
No it doesn’t
It prevents flares from being activated, as well as the repair gadget from being activated. It wont halt one in progress though
tough folio
No it doesn’t
it literally does, go play a vehicle and find out
placid echo
A lot of vehicle players pull the flares once they get the warning
vocal zenith
only idiotic pilots dont flare before hack finishes lol
clever marlin
…how the fuck did I not know this and I got 150 hours
tough folio
because you play rao and dont play vehicles
solar tinsel
…how the fuck did I not know this and I got 150 hours
theres a lot of shit in Battlefield to be fair. Nobody knows everything 😂
placid echo
By the way about hitting moving air vehicles with Lis
https://streamable.com/ti70ce
clever marlin
Oh and I found this funny thing on discarded
You can move some of the containers with a winch
solar tinsel
Im just excited that I, a console pleb, can actually have the handicap removed from firing Lis rockets 😆
vocal zenith
By the way about hitting moving air vehicles with Lis
https://streamable.com/ti7...
thats easy tho, the jet didnt even try to dodge lol, try to hit a decent nightbird pilot lol
solar tinsel
that combined with the increase turning angle, gonna be a whole new world
tough folio
Im just excited that I, a console pleb, can actually have the handicap removed f...
she doesnt need a range buff tho
solar tinsel
she doesnt need a range buff tho
Probably not. If anything that could be the first to get undone. Again, we'll see though
vocal zenith
that combined with the increase turning angle, gonna be a whole new world
i already do that with her i have a dpi button on my mouse which makes turning her rockets faster lol
solar tinsel
The vehicle/infantry meta is going to be a bit new here now
tough folio
i swear the only reason pc players had and advantage with liz is because they can flick the mouse on high dpi, simple solution would have been to just add a turncap
next onyx
It does have a turn cap.
solar tinsel
i swear the only reason pc players had and advantage with liz is because they ca...
There was also an actual bug on console that made diagonal movements slower
vocal zenith
so it really isnt an advantage
it just means i can have a different sensitivity for lis rockets and vehicle sens
solar tinsel
not for what you said no. There is a cap yeah
in addition to the bug allegedly being fixed for console, the rockets are getting increased turning in non-boost, and decreased turning in boost. (Plus extra range and boost speed)
So we'll see how it pans out
tough folio
so helicopters wont be usable next update lmao.
solar tinsel
so helicopters wont be usable next update lmao.
We'll see. The hitbox for the TGMs is being increased a bit too so perhaps gunners might be able to shoot them down more easily.
tough folio
not with the desync that rocket beholds
vocal zenith
helis will still be powerfull but not as powerfull
solar tinsel
in all fairness helicopters have dominated the air meta, if not the vehicle meta
vocal zenith
since altitude liimit haha screw u helis
vocal zenith
altitude limit wont do much for infantry
no it just means jets can actually do their jobs and kill the damm helis
tough folio
jet pilots are already braindead as is, and below radar is a must
vocal zenith
i dont think below radar affects manpads
hexed mango
We'll see. The hitbox for the TGMs is being increased a bit too so perhaps gunne...
that is the reason for the hitbox increase, so yeah
hexed mango
i dont think below radar affects manpads
jets
im happy for jets
seeing as i spent too much time getting T1 F-35, i constantly reflect on how shit it is
vocal zenith
we need a10s
solar tinsel
congrats on T1, I've spent significantly more time in jets than other vehicles, but still have a lower progression cause the progression metrics are garbage for jets
acoustic seal
lis missile is getting buffed range and going to be faster than jets next patch so gl all vehicle players
vocal zenith
but that will be kinda broken if i think about it lol
solar tinsel
I've done way less in tanks, and have equal or higher masteries with them
hexed mango
yeah the vehicles destroyed is not fun
solar tinsel
Just make it freaking destroys + assists + kills, like, why not haha
vocal zenith
the most fun i have in vehicles is using the latv4 with 30mm cannon as an anti air and the 60mm mortar on the mav lol
hexed mango
yeah ive asked sam about it in the past, he said it wasnt something he knows for certain on, but said there was probably a reason lel
acoustic seal
dart + javelin means you have to be sitting under irish APS as a tank at all times... and as infantry since dart lets you lock the fucking ground for some reason
hexed mango
we need a10s
vault vehicles would be cool but they'd need a massive tweak for 2042
hexed mango
dart + javelin means you have to be sitting under irish APS as a tank at all tim...
uh... tanks have APS now.
solar tinsel
yeah ive asked sam about it in the past, he said it wasnt something he knows for...
I did notice that in the stats page, it always has 0 assists for jets. I wonder if it's a tracking problem they could never solve
acoustic seal
uh... tanks have APS now.
tank APS is not even remotely as powerful as irish APS
solar tinsel
They did jets dirty with that progression BS though
tough folio
uh... tanks have APS now.
aps isnt that great
hexed mango
I did notice that in the stats page, it always has 0 assists for jets. I wonder ...
yeah i think for some reason vehicle assists are bugged
hexed mango
aps isnt that great
it works.
tough folio
for like 5 seconds, then you have to wait like 15 more to use it again
hexed mango
and i know from sam's info that they plan to sorta nerf irish aps protection
vocal zenith
tank APS is not even remotely as powerful as irish APS
dont worry tank players will always play as irish and drop his APS and camp lol
solar tinsel
APS combined with IR smoke can do a good job of keeping lock on rockets away
tough folio
and by then, the tank would be consumed
acoustic seal
and i know from sam's info that they plan to sorta nerf irish aps protection
i'll believe it when i see it because they just buffed it again this patch
tough folio
APS combined with IR smoke can do a good job of keeping lock on rockets away
lol, i was never worried about the lock ons
solar tinsel
and again, the tank meta has been kinda crap in 2042 so far. Hopefully this will help
hexed mango
i'll believe it when i see it because they just buffed it again this patch
? they didnt change anything besides it being able to be repaired
solar tinsel
lol, i was never worried about the lock ons
sure, but then if you talk about M5's only, 1/4th of the field will have them now (give or take)
hexed mango
maybe a cooldown after x amount of counter measures
he said they havent decided but said its likely itll be a restriction on either how many projectiles it takes, or how often
acoustic seal
it needs to blow up after 3-5 projectiles
solar tinsel
it needs to blow up after 3-5 projectiles
thats a bit low ha
vocal zenith
it needs to blow up after 3-5 projectiles
i dont think it should blow up but add a cooldown like 30s after x amount of projectiles
hexed mango
idk if blow up is ideal, i think just only taking 3-5 projectiles per time period is fine, like it can block 5projecitles in a 5s window
solar tinsel
idk if blow up is ideal, i think just only taking 3-5 projectiles per time perio...
yeah, has a cooldown state like the vehicle APS
I can see that
solar tinsel
it also values teamplay by stacking them together
vocal zenith
although if irish gets nerf rush xl will be even more chaotic
hexed mango
fr
i think it should favor more people playing irish = more cover, not that 1 person can deflect all projectiles
vocal zenith
yea which means if they add a cooldown like they do ammo crates then it would incentivize multiple aps from different ppl
hexed mango
precisely.
acoustic seal
idk if blow up is ideal, i think just only taking 3-5 projectiles per time perio...
this is still functionally infinite and total protection from missiles, the only thing getting through would be spammed heli grenades
hexed mango
this is still functionally infinite and total protection from missiles, the only...
infinite time, as long as not destroyed, but not an infinite amount of projectiles.
vocal zenith
yea you can still overwhem the aps which is good
hexed mango
and i mean i think that number isnt exact
it was a random idea
the point is, it shouldnt deflect everything that comes near it, all the time, with basically no limitation
like if multiple people throw projectiles, shoot launchers, etc, and they all get destroyed, its just kinda annoying
vocal zenith
honesly the aps system should have a blind spot, like above it like real APS which would make it useless againts top down attack from javelin
pearl ridge
In BF4 and 2042, I almost always find myself having to take rocket launchers, even though I'm more of a medic kind of guy. This is because I fucking hate vehicles.
fresh lintel
The projectiles it destroys should still proc. As in, if you throw a Frag: It explodes.
If you throw a EMP: It takes the APS out.
hexed mango
would be nice
vocal zenith
The projectiles it destroys should still proc. As in, if you throw a Frag: It ex...
wouldnt that defeat the purpose of an APS?
solar tinsel
The projectiles it destroys should still proc. As in, if you throw a Frag: It ex...
that feels like that would largely defeat the point though
pearl ridge
In 1 and V, I could actually diversify my class play, because there were actually viable anti-vehicle methods that weren't locked to one class.
solar tinsel
unless you extended its range
fresh lintel
To be fair it deflects every projectile right?
pearl ridge
Emplaced weapons need to come back.
hexed mango
or maybe it can only handle 1-2 projectiles at once, like if its shooting down something else, there's a slight cooldown before it can start shooting something else down, so that you can throw two things, or two people can throw stuff, in rapid succession and the latter goes through
fresh lintel
Or not every but nades and stuff
solar tinsel
Or not every but nades and stuff
it does a lot, yeah
tough folio
honesly the aps system should have a blind spot, like above it like real APS whi...
i think it has a sort of blind spot via line of sight, if a rocket flies over and it couldnt see it in time, sometimes it will fail to take it out ime
vocal zenith
im pretty sure irish aps doent block againts tank rounds
fresh lintel
Not everyone runs EMPs, its mostly used as an anti vehicle thing so far
wild marlin
im pretty sure irish aps doent block againts tank rounds
correct
tough folio
im pretty sure irish aps doent block againts tank rounds
it does
hexed mango
im pretty sure irish aps doent block againts tank rounds
i dont believe it does
tank aps does
hexed mango
but i dont think irish does
solar tinsel
I think the best solution is a cooldown period. After it stops a projectile, it stops all projectiles for another 3 sec or so, then has a 3-4 sec cooldown
wild marlin
I think the best solution is a cooldown period. After it stops a projectile, it ...
nah
quartz forge
Oh my word
tough folio
misinformed
im not misinformed, because i literally was playing tank superiority all day today and doing it
solar tinsel
This way it can defend well, but cant handle a sustained assault
hexed mango
I think the best solution is a cooldown period. After it stops a projectile, it ...
yeah like it has a gated timer, i was kinda thinking something similar
hexed mango
it is on for a few seconds, then its off for a small period of time, and then when it receives a new projectile, it opens back up, repeat
wild marlin
Why did you run away
u mean y did i leave the vc?
solar tinsel
I'm curious how the Boris meta will change. I always thought they over-nerfed his turret previously, and I'm curious to see how his shift will feel
wild marlin
cuz im not playing lol
hexed mango
I'm curious how the Boris meta will change. I always thought they over-nerfed hi...
same, very excited.
the tank damage seems minimal but i think that's fine
i hope they got rid of the burst fire system tho... that shit is stupid
wild marlin
I'm curious how the Boris meta will change. I always thought they over-nerfed hi...
his gadget actually contributes towards his role so gg
acoustic seal
honestly the design of this game is just baffling, you can't have hard counters like this in a game built around large playercounts
hexed mango
i heard boris turret will target vehicles how will that go?
0.6-0.8% dmg per shot
quartz forge
u mean y did i leave the vc?
Yee
acoustic seal
one irish shuts down potentially 32 people shooting rockets
solar tinsel
i heard boris turret will target vehicles how will that go?
Yeah, it now will target and prioritize vehicles (unless infantry is very clsoe). That said, the vehicle damage is negligible, and I dont know how it will work unless they extend the turrets range
hexed mango
The SG-36 Sentry Gun no longer overlays targets but instead highlights their name tags for Boris and his squad mates.
The SG-36 Sentry Gun ammo caliber has changed and can now deal damage to heavy vehicles.
Deals about 0.6-0.8% dmg per shot.
Reworked the SG-36 Sentry Gun’s target prioritization. It will now focus target vehicles primarily, unless infantry is within 25m of the Sentry Gun.
wild marlin
one irish shuts down potentially 32 people shooting rockets
then shoot the aps lmao XD
solar tinsel
Like, the current range isn't enough to matter for vehicle engagements
vocal zenith
0.6-0.8% dmg per shot
thats really good if true
hexed mango
thats really good if true
its in the patch notes bruh
vocal zenith
im guessing his turret is running ap rounds
vocal zenith
its in the patch notes bruh
tldr lol
hexed mango
bruh.
solar tinsel
But, if the borris turret can target vehicles like 125m away, then I guess that works even with the low damage
pearl ridge
You know what'd make Crawford useful? Allowing him to instead set up a TOW missile launcher, using the same system as Irish choosing between barriers and APS
wild marlin
the 👏weapon👏proficiencies👏suck👏
vocal zenith
But, if the borris turret can target vehicles like 125m away, then I guess that ...
it will be usefull againts helis
velvet cosmos
has something changed with the brightness of the game? everything seems too bright and washed out
hexed mango
eh i think the proficiencies actually played fine during the capture session
solar tinsel
it will be usefull againts helis
again, if the range is there. The current turret couldnt target infantry that far away
hexed mango
and they did a good job explaining them on the podcast.
vocal zenith
damm now that we are talking there is a shit ton of counters againts helis next patch almost makes me feel bad for them, but helis have been dominant for a long time lol
solar tinsel
yeah I think the proficiencies are the best compromise
hexed mango
damm now that we are talking there is a shit ton of counters againts helis next ...
true but most counters come from engineer, and the combination of recon with engineer, so i think that wont be super against helis, seeing as not everyone will play those classes, or play those classes aligned with each other
hexed mango
fr
solar tinsel
damm now that we are talking there is a shit ton of counters againts helis next ...
It's nice to see Engineers actually fit an anti-vehicle role more. It's been the most neglected class so far
wild marlin
To be honest as cool as a minigun is, Dual .50's would be a bit better.
or just different gadget that doesn't make his stand still 😃
vocal zenith
true but most counters come from engineer, and the combination of recon with eng...
but engineerfield is a thing u know
solar tinsel
Hell there hasn't even been a "repair specialist", until the new Crawford you can argue now
hexed mango
but engineerfield is a thing u know
true- but attack is a pretty op class in it of itself.
next onyx
Crawford is meant to specialise in turret emplacements.
hexed mango
and support sees a lot of playtime
next onyx
That's his gimmick, Stationaries.
hexed mango
again- while the capture session should be taken with a grain of salt- it seemed to all play nicely together besides the twitch streamer sweats that did nothing but farm people for kills
next onyx
I would of farmed those lobbies with EASE.
vocal zenith
crawford is actually underated honestly'
vocal zenith
he is good in holding points
hexed mango
like jesus they all suck
pearl ridge
Giving the all engies dual-purpose gadgets could actually be useful for them. Crawford gets manned minigun or TOW emplacements, Boris has turrets specialised for anti-infantry or anti-air, Lis's missiles can lock onto SOFLAM painted targets...
vocal zenith
but yea its very nieche
next onyx
Nah in seriousness I would of at least tested it out.
solar tinsel
crawford is actually underated honestly'
I thought I'd like him, but the revive mismatch was definitely a big deterrant for me
hexed mango
i would of loved to play in that session
next onyx
The stuff out thoroughly.
solar tinsel
I'm actually excited to use Crawford more now and make him a repair specialist
hexed mango
i want to use MTAR 😢
acoustic seal
the staff are so bad
you don't need to see gameplay for that, you can tell from the posts about drum mags lmfao
vocal zenith
we are getting mtar for aow next patch no?
next onyx
You have no idea how annoyed I was that I could not find MTAR footage.
solar tinsel
we are getting mtar for aow next patch no?
yup
vocal zenith
that was my main weapon in bf4 lol
solar tinsel
M39 EMR, MTAR, PP-2000
vocal zenith
we getting another PP
pearl ridge
Oh god not the M39, why the fuck are we still using that shitheap
hexed mango
you don't need to see gameplay for that, you can tell from the posts about drum ...
i mean tbh i understand the drum mag stuff
solar tinsel
we getting another PP
I was using the PP-29 the other day. Dang it still is really good. Maybe not glory days level, but still great
hexed mango
like, i understand why they are making the ads time slower
pearl ridge
It's been over half a century and they still can't get the M-14 to work right
vocal zenith
like, i understand why they are making the ads time slower
makes sense it doesnt affect me anyways if im running and gunning i usually which to smaller mags for quick reloads anywyas
solar tinsel
What are they doing with drum mags again? Lowering ADS speed and reload time further?
next onyx
Make it full auto. Turn it into battle rifle yes.
acoustic seal
i mean tbh i understand the drum mag stuff
it doesn't magically make the gun do more damage, it's 10 extra bullets in a game with unreadable maps and body spam
next onyx
I cannot hear you over my full auto 7.62 REEEEEEEEEEEE.
pearl ridge
Ten extra bullets can go a long way.
Extended magazines shouldn't be a thing, period.
acoustic seal
and that's why there are already penalties in the form of reload speed and spare ammo
next onyx
They should be a thing with proper adjustments.
solar tinsel
Extended magazines shouldn't be a thing, period.
They're fine as long as the penalties for using them are substantial enough to make sure they aren't always best in slot
acoustic seal
spare ammo is going to be way more significant now that everyone can't have ammo box all the time
vocal zenith
which they are doing now lol
solar tinsel
which, it seems like for most it currently IS a best in slot
but yeah
now it seems like it will be a better thoughtful choice
next onyx
I reckon they've over done it with drums, Standard extended will still be good.
Certain guns like the SCAR or AM40 that rely on drums will be the most affected.
acoustic seal
now it seems like it will be a better thoughtful choice
it's not, they're going to be unusable unless you pre-ADS every fight and you can't do that in a game this fast
vocal zenith
i dont mind longer ads times since it a trade off u know more rounds means u can engage more targets at a time which u can switch between the smaller mags anyway with the plus menu
next onyx
(Why can a p90 carry 50 rounds when the mp9, its copy when it runs the same amount of rounds get the penalty)
solar tinsel
it's not, they're going to be unusable unless you pre-ADS every fight and you ca...
I only use drum mag for one weapon though, so no skin off my back 😆
hexed mango
it doesn't magically make the gun do more damage, it's 10 extra bullets in a gam...
yeah but more bullets = more spray, and since it comes with little downsides, it makes sense to add a small nerf in a way to it
pearl ridge
The MP9 runs like absolute shit.
Guess that explains why the P90 was underwhelming too.
And is only saved by its mag capacity.
hexed mango
mp9 got kinda hit with the nerf hammer
pp and pbx are the only smgs worth using now
pp is goated with the sauce
next onyx
Mp9 got butchered.
pearl ridge
PP's for pussies
next onyx
There's a reason why it's run lol.
acoustic seal
pp is the only consistent gun in its category lmao
next onyx
They need more time to spend on this mag adjustment.
royal swan
I still neglected the pp
next onyx
Because it's literally 5.2 but in a smaller scale.
hexed mango
first T1 was pp, when it was the only good gun at launch
royal swan
Even when it was goated at launch I wouldn't touch it
pearl ridge
Professionals have standards.
royal swan
I will main the railgun tho
next onyx
Changing up the balance of the game in the name of changing things up without giving it proper time to develop and balance.
I'll still use my SCAR but I'm just just getting cucked either way.
hexed mango
PP and M5 were the only good guns at launch, PP moreso than the M5, it was a sad time
next onyx
They'll be able to swap between their gadgets faster with the SMG.
solar tinsel
seems like it could be useful coming off of defibs, no?
next onyx
That doesn't sound worthless to someone trying to medic.
royal swan
They want smgs to be a hipfire weapon
hexed mango
= quicker shoot to revive to support
in the capture session i saw a lot of people accidentally hitting 3 instead of 4 for the gadgets lol, it was so funny
gonna take some time to get used to it
pearl ridge
Engies get superior LMG accuracy, Assaults carry literally double the ammo, snipers straight up don't get scope sway
next onyx
Oh yeah my class gadget will have in be in slot 3.
solar tinsel
gonna take some time to get used to it
Even moreso for us console folks 😆
pearl ridge
Support is slightly faster with an already fast but weak as shit weapon
hexed mango
Even moreso for us console folks 😆
heheh
hexed mango
shush
solar tinsel
That said, we're finally going to be able to get a PLUS system that (I assume) will let us move both directions in PLUS
next onyx
They should bring back the plus system.
pearl ridge
Wait do I have to pull out the defibs manually now
next onyx
Yeah.
pearl ridge
Bah
next onyx
No locked animation.
solar tinsel
Wait do I have to pull out the defibs manually now
I dont think you HAVE to
royal swan
They should bring back the plus system.
What
solar tinsel
but you can
hexed mango
explain plus system... is it not the plus system we have now
royal swan
What do you mean by, bring back the plus system
next onyx
Bring it back in the next game.
hexed mango
ooh
next onyx
I don't think it's a bad feature overall.
hexed mango
so keep it, you mean
pearl ridge
Fuck no it plays hell with gun balance
hexed mango
no
royal swan
Plus system can die with 2042
hexed mango
its the best feature of this game
next onyx
Don't really think so. Cause really all you use it for is to switch between suppressors and grenade launchers.
Oh look vehicle, Time to load 40MM ap.
hexed mango
and sights
acoustic seal
you need to not be able to change mags if they iterate on the plus system at all
hexed mango
and ammo types
next onyx
Now that they're gone, I can go to grip cause yes.
pearl ridge
The railgun can go from being a hyper-accurate sniper to a close-range shredder in the blink of an eye
hexed mango
its so fun to be able to swap sights for close to far range.
next onyx
Its full auto mode is not that good as it seems.
hexed mango
i cant imagine the next game without it 
royal swan
In life I like shit simple and straight forward
next onyx
The delay makes it awkward to use.
solar tinsel
I can see the value of keeping the PLUS system for the next game, but perhaps making it so it takes a second or two to switch attachments.
pearl ridge
And many of the 'attachments' that are offered aren't so much attachments as they are ripping out the guts of the gun
vocal zenith
the delay on the railgun losses most fights lol unless ur pre charging every corner
pearl ridge
If the railgun is so bad at close range why do I keep winning with it
hexed mango
i get kinda urked by how the plus system, if used to swap ammo types, auto puts the selected type into the gun, and then reloads it
would be nice if it kept the old ammo type, and then reloaded the new one in.
next onyx
I never said it's bad.
I said it's awkward.
It's like a destiny fusion rifle, Pre charge round corners and abuse 750 RPM 4HK.
pearl ridge
I guess awkward but effective weapons are my thing
vocal zenith
yea but you still have to precharge which can be annoying
solar tinsel
If the railgun is so bad at close range why do I keep winning with it
Railgun is pretty damn strong in CQB if you can precharge
next onyx
Versus actual snipers, It trades reactiveness for a super fast round.
1000 MS TTK practically.
solar tinsel
in the full auto mode
next onyx
2000 if hit the body.
royal swan
I don't care for the charge time
hexed mango
ntw > railgun
pearl ridge
That bullet velocity and lack of drop more than makes up for the charge time, which is negligible
vocal zenith
my favourite thing about railgun is annoying the damm helis lol
pearl ridge
Plus it's way faster with follow-up shots than any bolt action
next onyx
Its charge means less at a distance where it becomes more difficult to hit the shooter.
vocal zenith
like a good nightbird pilot is nearly unkillable but a railgun can kill them lol