battlefield-2042

[arctic grove]

use your awareness

and take it slow

[spiral folio]

uff lord yet another 556 AR in the vault weapons

cause lord knows we need it

[arctic grove]

I want more variety

[spiral folio]

I like when people's version of variety is
"they should add [yet another 556 rifle]"

[acoustic seal]

battlefield map quality is directly proportional to how much it limits snipers, and prise only has like two awful sightlines and one upper level area

[spiral folio]

like the same weapon 40 times = variety

disappointed the m95 isn't in there

[acoustic seal]

compare to sinai which has infinite awful sightlines and second floors on every mud hut

[spiral folio]

sinai's fine if you know where to go

especially during a sand storm

[eager spire]

so basically it's a good map if you play it in a certain way, good to know

[spiral folio]

sniping in the sand is great cause nobody even tries to find you

yea crazy that like if you try to learn a map, you do better

[hybrid totem]

Oh please, all guns are pretty much the same. Now vehicles, they have variety

[spiral folio]

yea like there's not 200 "different" guns in 2042 but they at least have distinct roles

though there is some redundancy in "another 9mm smg"

and "another 556"

[hybrid totem]

Because people don't want variety, they want more of the same but they also want to complain

[spiral folio]

I did like the mp5 in bf p4f

[acoustic seal]

ah yes, the distinct roles of everything in the AR category being inferior to the s-farm

[spiral folio]

which at least does have a few good mechanism to it

[toxic stag]

i prefer good game balance than variety 🙂

[spiral folio]

the mp5 is delayed blowback which helps with recoil

you can get a civilianized version for like ..3000 bucks

because delayed blowback is a really expensive thing to do

[eager spire]

speaking of variety it would be nice to have like, dedicated infantry maps in this game.

[tacit thunder]

anyone playing 2042?

[spiral folio]

oh you mean dedicated infantry maps
and then add vehicles to them right?

[eager spire]

no i actually mean the opposite of that

[spiral folio]

they need to physically abuse the person that decided to put armored vehicles on stranded

[toxic stag]

stranded is the closest thing to that tbh

[spiral folio]

stranded BT lets people call in armored stuff

[tacit sorrel]

Like close quarters dlc bf3?

[eager spire]

except it isn't because it's got vehicles.

[eager spire]

yes

[spiral folio]

I don't mind infantry maps, but yea it's idiotic how they added vehicles to that

[toxic stag]

thank god portal exists right?

[eager spire]

:I

[toxic stag]

yep

[spiral folio]

stranded pre-patch did have no vehicles

[eager spire]

Portal is a copout.

[spiral folio]

and then somebody goes "how can we worseify this map"

[toxic stag]

i blame the community for making the most trash servers possible, and xp farms

[spiral folio]

surprised they didn't add ziplines everywhere too

[hybrid totem]

Why would you want a battlefield game with no vehicles? Isn't that... Not battlefield?

[spiral folio]

sometime you just want a break

[tacit sorrel]

Fr

[hybrid totem]

So stop playing battlefield

[spiral folio]

from the nonstop vehicle abusers

take a drink

[shy perch]

Vehicles are just imo the sprinkle that on top part of battlefield there are few maps that they make to include vehicles well

[spiral folio]

"Go PLaY SoMeThiNg ELsE ThEN"

[shy perch]

That just me?

[acoustic seal]

tell me why metro/lockers/argonne are community favorite maps to this very day

[hybrid totem]

Why is this not a viable solution? In a world with a thousand games?

[spiral folio]

well because people are rats

but also

[shy perch]

Otherwise vehicles idrc

[eager spire]

sometimes i don't wanna deal with vehicles and just wanna play against infantry with the good infantry mechanics the game has.

[spiral folio]

because sometime infantry focus is fine

[tacit sorrel]

You mean air abusers ground is a joke atm with all the rocket spam

[spiral folio]

vehicle mains should be forced to walk occasionally

[hybrid totem]

Because of all the people who like farming kills on those maps

[acoustic seal]

i just had someone give me shit for applying this logic to portal 1000000% hc servers lmao

[spiral folio]

oh argonne is... ok

[hybrid totem]

I have to walk outside my vehicle to repair it all the fucking time!

[spiral folio]

like not the worst map in bf1

that goes to fort vaux

[eager spire]

i'd argue that Metro and Lockers are not "favorites", but just played a lot because they're like, the only infantry maps in BF4

Fort Vaux is not that bad actually

[shy perch]

Wont be much rocket spam soon also guys irl if u got hit in the face or just at all by a 75mm rocket would you die ? Bc I’m pretty sure you would

[tacit sorrel]

Atleast stealth heli only gets repair or flare after the update

[spiral folio]

the subway one in 5 was semi-ass

[eager spire]

that was a metro remake

[spiral folio]

unbalanced

[shy perch]

But in game we can take 4 or smt as of 3.2.0

[hybrid totem]

Metro would have been fine if you could go over the top of the Metro. Being forced underground was bullshit

[spiral folio]

like... the first sector in the subway one was bad for the attackers I had a few spots I could just stop an advance from

forget which MG I used

bren maybe?

[arctic grove]

I hate air vehicle users

[eager spire]

Point is that infantry maps are good variety and the fact that there aren't any in this game sucks.

[spiral folio]

hind mains are probably the most insufferable

especially when they're "Good"

[tacit sorrel]

Metro is just choke point spamming/camping in the tunnel

[spiral folio]

yea like.. literally every battlefield has had at least one or two infantry maps

[arctic grove]

https://www.xbox.com/play/media/FJUF9C4TYU Rate my shot. I Relish these moments against air

[eager spire]

BF3 had a whole DLC of them and it was great

[spiral folio]

I like killing vehicles so I do kinda like the vehicle maps

[shy perch]

I do but at the same time dont they keep the spawn campers low and promote use of surface to air attack eather than just infantry players

[arctic grove]

Valid

[shy perch]

They fun but infantry maps with vehicles on top doesn’t make sense

[spiral folio]

my one beef with transports is they're literally durable as tanks

[shy perch]

Thats the idea of them

[spiral folio]

no

the idea of them is that they're helicopters

they're not literally tanks

[shy perch]

Ah yes the osprey is now a helicopter

[tacit thunder]

what key for text chat?

[spiral folio]

the A10 is a flying tank

when you spot it lis says "enemy helicopter" so

[shy perch]

Same as real life u muppet

[spiral folio]

it's a helicopter

oh yes get mad

that's how you make friends and influence people

[shy perch]

Nah muppet sounds funny

[spiral folio]

anyway

they're too durable, or too agile

I don't care if they're one or the other but they can't be both

[hybrid totem]

When you change helicopter controls, you change condor controls too

[spiral folio]

helicopters are basically flying tin cans with a big propeller, they're not that durable

[shy perch]

U saying they need to be one shot? Considering the irl counterpart is meant to be a tank with big ass gun?

Well sorry

[spiral folio]

think a 40% reduction in either spec would do it

[shy perch]

Big ass gun with tank

[spiral folio]

that'd prevent hinds from lingering around just eating damage

[tacit sorrel]

Bf isn’t milsim

[spiral folio]

or condors from just eating missiles then going to warp drive

[shy perch]

The hinds or A10?

[spiral folio]

hinds/condors

[arctic grove]

No but you can create a milsim in Portal

[shy perch]

Sorry condor

[spiral folio]

there's no A10 in the game "YeT"

[eager spire]

yeah but BF is not built and designed for that kind of gameplay.

[shy perch]

Well yes but actually no

[spiral folio]

a scifi A10 would be cool

[shy perch]

Ong

We need

[spiral folio]

the F35 "takes the role" in modern combat but .. because the real one can carry a frillion missiles

not 2 as in game

[wild pike]

Hey guys looking for people to grind breakthrough with

[shy perch]

Shoots lasers 🤣

[shy perch]

And fire all at once not with big ass cooldown and one shot if you get lucky

[shy perch]

Try the lfg

[spiral folio]

putting modern jets into this is awkward

[shy perch]

Its set in the future

[spiral folio]

like the point of the F35's existence is long range bombing and stealth

[shy perch]

To be fair

[spiral folio]

it has neither

[tacit sorrel]

Bf4 jets>bf2042 jets

Not even close

[spiral folio]

like when you use the F35 ingame it basically flies and behaves like a vietnam era jet

[acoustic seal]

lis missiles in the new patch are faster than jets btw

[spiral folio]

oh yes i will definitely enjoy that

[eager spire]

because lis totally needed a buff for some reason

[pine roost]

In boost mode

[spiral folio]

600m lis rockets, I'll be eating hinds for breakfast

[shy perch]

Hard agree

[spiral folio]

yea hitting in boost is... like hitting things in boost

[pine roost]

No way

[tacit sorrel]

Lis still isn’t that great imo

[spiral folio]

the boost mode is useful for nailing things before they get away, sometime it's the only way

otherwise tanks will activate APS

[tacit sorrel]

Only 2 rockets is meh

[acoustic seal]

it's an infantry tv missile, the very concept of lis is overpowered

[pine roost]

That’s the kind of design they are going for with this. Fire, correct then boost to hit them

[spiral folio]

lis is good for finishing off a tank that's gone to hide while repairing

[eager spire]

i do love how people just absolutely turn off their braincells when Lis gets brought up

[wild pike]

Am i the only one who doesnt understand the controls of jets and helis

[eager spire]

like "lis isn't that great" are you blind?

[tacit sorrel]

4 rockets are better than 2

[shy perch]

Only with a funny name and custom model with a REALLY low ceiling

[shy perch]

U forget basically the class system nerfs everyone

[pine roost]

That’s the very situation that outlines the issues in her design

[spiral folio]

yea take a long range multitargeting stealth fighter, put it in a goldfish sized engagement area

[tacit sorrel]

I bet tanks will be op

[eager spire]

they're gonna be balanced

cause they're gonna have APS now

[pine roost]

They are rubbish in this so you aren’t the only one

[eager spire]

which they should've had on launch

[hard geyser]

The mtar in all out warfare is awesome!!

[stray surge]

I can't believe my favorite battlefield weapon is coming to the game! The legendary MTAR-21!!!!

[hard geyser]

Fr lol

[pine roost]

I never used it so can’t attest to its potential

[tacit sorrel]

I think prox sensor should’ve remained in the grenade slot but only for recon

[arctic grove]

Lis is the best in Engineer class

[wide shore]

Ehhh

I guess she will be the only one who can use both C4 and a launcher

[spiral folio]

"tanks won't be op, they'll have EVEN MORE DEFENSES" wait..

[tacit sorrel]

I’d take the other rockets over hers any day

[wide shore]

But she also can’t use the javelin

And that thing is gonna be nuts

[tacit sorrel]

4>2

[arctic grove]

why use a javelin when she owns a guided missle?

[spiral folio]

depends how much damage it does

like if the jav does more damage than the lis, it might be a better option for some

[wide shore]

Because the Javelin does 45 damage

[spiral folio]

but I'm pretty darn good with the lis

[arctic grove]

Lis still has C5 and AT mines

[tacit sorrel]

So do the others

[wide shore]

You can solo a tank with the javelin. But you can’t with lis’ rocket

[spiral folio]

I dunno which i'll use cause I don't typically go close enough to need either

[dreamy panther]

This error code is so fucking annoying

[spiral folio]

the downside to the jav will be relying on idiots to give you ammo

[wild pike]

im also using a keyboard which i feel like makes it impossible

[spiral folio]

the lis regenerates

[arctic grove]

Just use rocket and C5. Better yet, Strap C5s on her guided rocket. Easy W

[wide shore]

eventually

[elfin void]

I'm struggled as Falck ngl. Focus too much on medic duties that I forget to survive myself sometimes

[eager spire]

they'll have more defenses than they did beforehand, which is none

[elfin void]

Best is when someone gives up as you reach them

[tacit sorrel]

Not enough rockets/dmg

[hybrid totem]

Are we on about realism versus video game again? It's not the f-35. It's a jet in the shape of an f-35 that is balanced for this game

[pine roost]

It’s definitely possible, I’ve been using keyboard since I started and it works perfectly fine, it’s just that the physics are wack

[arctic grove]

Grama falk mains i swear

[eager spire]

i mean you could technically since you would never need to be in the tank's line of sight.

[wide shore]

Yeah but the DPS just isn’t there

[eager spire]

still

[hybrid totem]

Stock controls are terrible. You have to rebind them so that they are similar to the walking controls

[eager spire]

free damage is free damage.

[tacit sorrel]

Lis rockets are just an annoyance

[wide shore]

You’d have to be braindead to get solo’d by a Lis.

[hybrid totem]

Lis rockets added a fun dimension to the game design. Dodging them is a lot of fun as an air vehicle

[wide shore]

But getting solo’d by the javelin is gonna happen a lot

[elfin void]

Gotta T1 the gramps

Zain is still my fave though

[pine roost]

It could be in complete isolation, away from all enemy LOS and healing, yet one just flies over the mountaintop to get you because it can simply see you through walls

[elfin void]

Hes underrated it seems. Very few people using him

[tacit sorrel]

Health regen on kill is nice

[pine roost]

And his gadget is super easy to use

[arctic grove]

Zain is wayyy more useful than boris tbh

[acoustic seal]

zain meta might develop based on the new medpen limit alone

[arctic grove]

Boris is the bottom of the tier

wayy in the bottom

[acoustic seal]

can't imagine having one heal with the insane amount of chip damage happening all the time

[pine roost]

Mackay would always top him since his movement is simply unmatched

[hybrid totem]

Run vehicles. You'll get used to it really fast

[tacit sorrel]

I think Boris is better than Crawford imo

[pine roost]

But since they have buffed overall strafe speeds and nerfed his it could allow for more options to open up

And the game crashed my pc again

Lovely

[arctic grove]

Actually maybe. Seems only by a little.

[tacit sorrel]

Yea

[dreamy panther]

Crawford is dogshit

[hybrid totem]

All infantry play only exists to complement vehicle play.

[pine roost]

I always felt it was the inverse

[shy perch]

U forget basically the class system nerfs everyone

[hybrid totem]

My favorite specialists are the ones who can't handle vehicles

[eager spire]

yes i saw you the first time

my response is still the same, lol, lmao even

[shy perch]

Sorry its recep I didn’t intentionally send it twice

[pine roost]

The class system doesn’t change lis because she still has the same launcher

[acoustic seal]

name one specialist made worse by the class changes

[hybrid totem]

Theoretically, infantry and vehicles should play together for the ultimate experience.

Practically, everyone just plays alone

[tacit sorrel]

Rockets got higher velocity across the board

[pine roost]

Cause most players lack any sense of awareness

[shy perch]

Any that wanted to use a recoilless or ammo box or med pen that aren’t the desired class

🤣

[hybrid totem]

Yes, as is usual, the content isn't the problem, it's the people

[shy perch]

I dont hate it either balances the game a lot more

[eager spire]

that is a fucking cop-out response to the question, are there any actual specialist characters that are made worse by the class changes.

[tacit sorrel]

If Lis could lock onto a tracer/laser or fire unguided she would be more appealing

[acoustic seal]

"oh no, we gave players too much freedom and they optimized the fun out of the game! how could this have possibly happened?"

[pine roost]

Like AA. People seem to straight up refuse using AA but complain in chat about them anyway

[shy perch]

Angel with FXM

Mackay with ammo box

[eager spire]

she already has a TV missile, she doesn't need lock-on.

[shy perch]

Mackay with recoilless

[tacit sorrel]

Lock on doesn’t miss and it’s fire and forget…

[eager spire]

Made worse by the class changes, not removed from the game.

[dreamy panther]

Rip Mackay with the ammo box 😢

[shy perch]

Sundance cant hit the cool trickshots

[pine roost]

Why not just use a stinger instead

[shy perch]

It was my go to

[eager spire]

i mean, you're playing as Lis, you assume responsibility for if the shot hits or not. if you can't hit shots then you need to get better.

[pine roost]

As was basically everyone else’s, which is one reason why they made the change

[acoustic seal]

you can't use mackay as an example of a nerfed specialist when the core feature of the update is mackay getting armor in addition to medpen

[dreamy panther]

That’s all I use. Every class has a ammo box

[shy perch]

Not any more

[tacit sorrel]

Those shots still take time while others are fire and forget

[eager spire]

yes because you're steering the missile

if you want fire and forget, you don't get to play Lis, it's that simple.

[tacit sorrel]

She’s not as appealing with little options

[pine roost]

A stinger serves the same purpose and doesn’t need a laser designation or tracker

[eager spire]

she has the unique option of being able to hit targets without line of sight.

[pine roost]

Use that instead

[hybrid totem]

Well yes, typically people take things too far

[tacit sorrel]

C5>Lis rockets

[eager spire]

i'd like to know what kind of drugs you're on

[tacit sorrel]

I’d like to know why you think Lis Rocket is actually good AT

[eager spire]

because you can shoot it from behind cover and still hit the tank, which is something you can't do with any other launcher in the game, and is basically free damage against a tank or literally any other vehicle in the game, this is not that hard to understand.

[hybrid totem]

It feels like Lis rockets do less damage since like, two days ago. Did I miss an update?

[tacit sorrel]

It can kill a stealth heli in one hit about all that’s going for her

[hybrid totem]

This alone makes Lis the best engineer

[acoustic seal]

yeah, it's the job of the game designers to make sure the players can't shit up the game at will

[hybrid totem]

I think you're trying to be a sarcastic right now, but what you're saying makes perfect sense

[tacit sorrel]

I’ve barely died to any Lis rockets

She isn’t much of a threat more of an annoyance

[eager spire]

like i said, free damage.

[tacit sorrel]

Repair exists

[acoustic seal]

nope, "sandbox" philosophy genuinely killed the last couple shooters i played

[eager spire]

still, free damage, and you have to retreat to repair, and also she has the passive ability of making you visible through walls.

[hybrid totem]

So you keep playing them

[wide shore]

Only for herself tho

[tacit sorrel]

Still the worst tank buster…

[wide shore]

If you say so

[dreamy panther]

Lis is dogshit

[hybrid totem]

In my opinion, the fact that she is so divisive indicates that she is a good specialist

[wide shore]

I’ve gotten 10x more assists with her rocket than I ever have destroys. Took ages to get her T1.

[eager spire]

they're still an incredibly strong specialist for anti-vehicle, purely because she can just deal free damage to tanks and also take out flying vehicles easier than say, a recoilless.

[wide shore]

I think it’s easier to destroy helis with a recoilless.

[hybrid totem]

I'm so glad that we have both these options in the game then

[ancient peak]

Liz is the stealth heli remover

[eager spire]

I don't agree, i don't see how a dumbfire launcher can be easier to take out a heli with than a TV missile

[wide shore]

Maybe that’ll change when the fix her turning speed on console with 3.2.

[tacit sorrel]

If your aim is good no point in using Lis rocket over recoiless shes niche

[hybrid totem]

You mean fix her turning speed on PC, right?

[wide shore]

No? Her rocket turns slow as fuck on console

[hybrid totem]

Don't tell me that the designers intended for that rocket to be able to turn on a dime

Console might have to up its sensitivity, but PC definitely needs to cap it somewhere

[tacit sorrel]

I can snipe with recoiless

[wide shore]

Easier to time. Recoilless shoots faster. It doesn’t black screen when you fire. That black screen makes it hard sometimes to even hit a vehicle you’re right next to.

I’ve downed hundreds of helis with the recoilless. I’ve only downed a few dozen with Lis.

[tacit sorrel]

Like I said she would be more appealing if her launcher didn’t have so many limitations

[shy perch]

Its not too hard to break the rockets ankles tbh

[dreamy panther]

Top 3 specialist?

[acoustic seal]

mackay x3, zain honorable mention

[wide shore]

She’s still great. But if she couldn’t have a launcher with the option to also use an ammo box, i doubt id would’ve used her as much.

[eager spire]

to be fair there has to be some transition between her view and the TV missile view. Her strong point is not reaction shots, it's taking cover from a distance and taking out vehicles who would otherwise be safe from retaliation.

[wide shore]

Sure. And that’s what balances her out. I’m not complaining about it. I just think the recoilless is more versatile.

She may have free damage on vehicles. But it’s not always the easiest choice.

[tacit sorrel]

💯

[eager spire]

i mean it's incredibly easy, if you can't steer a TV missile into a tank then you need to stop playing the game

[wide shore]

You act as if it’s not super easy for a vehicle to move away last second. Or just shoot the rocket down

[shy perch]

Agreed maybe sundance for the fun factor of flying around otherwise mackay all the way

[eager spire]

you act as if tanks move that fast in the first place

[drowsy shuttle]

sundance, mackay and angel. (zain is cool too)

[tacit sorrel]

Recoilless still king atm

[shy perch]

Ikr

[wide shore]

Or the game randomly deciding it has the best hitboxes in gaming and your rocket goes straight through the space between the treads and the tires.

[shy perch]

Recoilless need to be deleted

Tbh

[hybrid totem]

You know why I run Lis? Because she's the only one who can run rockets and a repair tool

[eager spire]

we're talking about a theoretical scenario where the game works properly

which, i know, big dreams here, but

[shy perch]

One thing that needs change

[wide shore]

Well, it’s not like I’m saying I can’t hit vehicles. I have her T1.

[hybrid totem]

Just one?

[tacit sorrel]

Wait till next week

[shy perch]

Is the rotor blades

Rotor blades need a hit box for rockets

[wide shore]

I just think the recoilless is better. And people saying she is OP is wild. She’s perfectly balanced.

[hybrid totem]

She will still be the only specialist with a rocket as their dedicated gadget.

[shy perch]

Or anything

[shy perch]

I can %100 agree

[tacit sorrel]

Every engineer is getting repair tool in base kit

[hybrid totem]

About time

[wide shore]

Doubt it’ll really increase the amount of repairs. But we’ll see

[eager spire]

I don't like the whole free damage thing. Maybe it'll be more balanced once tanks have APS, but right now, I don't see it as balanced. Mostly because the infantry vs. vehicle design of this game is fucked.

[shy perch]

Surely I’m not the only person thats never used the repair tool right?😅

[wide shore]

I’ve only used it for weeklies

[hybrid totem]

Totally correct. Vehicles need to be much more powerful

[tough folio]

nah dont think they should, also liz needs nerf, her desync way to op

[wide shore]

Tanks maybe. But nothing else

This game has had more OP vehicles than like any other title.

[eager spire]

i don't agree with that sentiment

[hybrid totem]

With the reduction in people running m5s, I'm sure it'll help

[wide shore]

I’ll never forget the 50mm transport heli days. That shit was a dark time.

[hybrid totem]

Total disagree

[shy perch]

Whats so broken with liz I still dont see your argument and if helicopters blades had a hitbox that would already balance helicopters instead of weakening thier damage to me its like the just couldn’t be bothered adding the hitbox in the first place

[wide shore]

There’s been at least one overly problematic vehicle every big update this game has had.

[tough folio]

except that doesnt exists anymore, so we shouldnt be putting that concept of vehicle power in convos now

[acoustic seal]

???? every vehicle they've added after release has had to be nerfed into the ground

[shy perch]

Exactly

[eager spire]

okay fair enough, the devs seem to just release shit and then fix it later. The first release of any new content is basically a beta period

[shy perch]

Whats your argument, just no?

[eager spire]

because they don't test shit themselves

[wide shore]

I’m not saying the balance is fucked right now. But over the span of this games life, we’ve had: Hovercraft spam, Bolte spam, transport heli spam, Nightbird spam, stealth heli spam.

[shy perch]

Thats a good point too

[tough folio]

liz has terrible desync with her rocket, so you never know where it actually is, and making it easier to kill the attack helis which are already oneshot in most cases, doesnt need to happen

[wide shore]

Once these tanks get an APS, and the amount of rockets gets significantly reduced. I think the games infantry/vehicle balance will be the best it’s ever been.

[eager spire]

Also, I wanna know where the people that said the new BF1942 weapons didn't have misaligned sights are now that those weapons got disabled for the exact problem i said they had.

[shy perch]

Well they aren’t the people playing the game often they base that off community opinion

[wide shore]

They should’ve never axed the CTE

[shy perch]

Mate unless the pilot doesn’t own a brain the rocket is trash

[eager spire]

To be fair, during BF1 is was basically "Content Tested Early"

from what i can tell feedback was never really taken.

[shy perch]

You can literally just avoid it like playing dodgeball

[wide shore]

Lemme rephrase. The CTE should be given a big role that they actually use.

[tough folio]

hard bs on that, not when there is 3 comming at you, because everyone wants to try for a free kill, and again, the desync is horrible

[elfin void]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/694969095585792003/1069054563547619328/image.png

[eager spire]

Implying they would actually use it

[shy perch]

Its mostly if the community starts using the same item and having too much fun with it the second someone start whining it gets nerfed imo

[elfin void]

my proudest achievement that

[wide shore]

This is one of those perfect world scenarios.

[shy perch]

I cant say I agree with you I play little bird maybe because it has a better agility otherwise its an easy battle

[acoustic seal]

this but with "mouse input is fine now" people

[arctic grove]

yes

[eager spire]

i mean from what i can tell it's better. i don't think anyone was claiming that it was fixed.

[inner roost]

Strange how both controller and mouse are still fucked in this game

[arctic grove]

Dark times when people tried to argue against APS on tanks

[shy perch]

Whats wrong with controller?

[eager spire]

People with negative brain cells

[hybrid totem]

This is the case in every title. As it stands, infantry have a better footing against vehicles in this title than any other

[shy perch]

Like the people @tough folio was fighting with liz haha

[inner roost]

Lots of inconsistency with aim assist and slowdown, sometimes it kicks in on the wrong target or while you're trying to headshot so it fucks your aim, I keep it really low as a result

[arctic grove]

I agree

[inner roost]

This is on PS5 btw, not sure about xbox

[wide shore]

Aim assist is still thankfully miles better that it was at launch

[shy perch]

Pretty sure theres a setting to turn it off

[arctic grove]

Oh wait east. The 3.2 patch notes said that full aim assist snap will function better now

[wide shore]

But I’m amazed it’s even something that wasn’t working at all

[inner roost]

No aim assist is really bad, so I keep it at 50% snap is entirely off though

[shy perch]

If aim assist is a problem just turn it off and play clean like me

[wide shore]

Snap aim is fucked on PS5 apparently. Getting fixed in 3.2.

[shy perch]

Exactly

[inner roost]

I saw that, will wait till I play myself no other way to know for sure

[arctic grove]

Well I mean the problems with it should still be fixed regardless

[shy perch]

I play on ps5 🤣

[hybrid totem]

Aim assist is a problem, but not its performance - its very existence

[arctic grove]

Same

[inner roost]

It's really bad ATM on PS5 if you have snap on

[shy perch]

Bro if your saying aim assist is too OP how about you fucking arm is too op stfu

[wide shore]

Sorry I don’t fancy getting farmed by PC players thanks

[arctic grove]

In a it functions poorly way or it’s legal cheats sort of way?

[hybrid totem]

But still, playing against aim assist is the price of doubling the player base, so it's worth it

[inner roost]

I play both inputs regularly, there is no advantage for aim assist in this game, unlike something like MW2 where's it's very strong

[eager spire]

aim assist being a problem depends on the game

[hybrid totem]

And for those getting offended at my statement, well, get good

[eager spire]

2042, eh

MW22, fuck off

[arctic grove]

PC players when significantly higher FPS on average + arm + movement

[eager spire]

Halo Infinite, you're literally on drugs

[shy perch]

Get on controller and stop throwing your mouse from one side of the room to the other maybe

[inner roost]

No one plays that anymore so who cares really, halo doomed by 343

[hybrid totem]

Why would I do that? I have the superior input method

[wide shore]

Says the guy who wants to shoot at console players without aim assist. Just play against bots if you want it that easy.

[arctic grove]

I mean I generally go 20-30 to 10 in an average game

I’m not an expert, but I know what I’m doing lol

[inner roost]

This ain't even a competitive game it's fine

[wide shore]

I also do quite well despite this games shit aim assist.

[eager spire]

i mean it is competitive in that you're playing against other players.

[inner roost]

Alright, not as sweaty as something like MW2

Much more chill

[shy perch]

And to controller players thats aimbot recoil scripts

Soooo

[wide shore]

Maybe. But 2042 is pretty fucking sweaty

[inner roost]

Depends game to game for me

[eager spire]

i mean MW2 has controller aim assist that is basically a soft aimbot and also i refute your claims of 2042 not being that sweaty.

[shy perch]

Jump on gen4 and enjoy that 🤣

[arctic grove]

At the very least 2042 is sweaty if that’s who you’re match made with, in MW2 it’s on purpose

[inner roost]

Very true

Mw2 is sweaty by design

[eager spire]

MW22 sucks ass.

[wide shore]

True

[eager spire]

i don't understand why people play that game.

[royal swan]

Just did a rant on mw22

[arctic grove]

Sound design, animations and gunsmith my beloved

[royal swan]

Unfun boring bullshit experience

[wide shore]

I think we can all agree that SBMM is shit

[inner roost]

Nothing else to play, and I like the guns, but even I've stopped now it's getting pretty bad

[pine roost]

Mw2 has so many mechanics and features that make it a poor game for competetive play. 2042 is somehow far superior in that regard which is astonishing

[arctic grove]

Ground war is oddly tame, like, I’m sure SBMM is enabled for ground war but it just… doesn’t really feel like it

[eager spire]

the gunsmith sucks because the attachments have more downsides than upsides.

[crimson basin]

I played 2 hours of mw2 beta and half an hour of warzone 2 and that's it

[inner roost]

2042 has the better movement system by far

[hybrid totem]

Those players can feel free to get better

[wide shore]

MW22 is good for pretty guns, and pretty animations.

[royal swan]

It's fucking pathetic that a good looking game has to develop by terrible devs

[eager spire]

i donno i feel like MW19 would be slightly better in that respect considering it actually has a proper MP5 model

[royal swan]

Honestly the best they can do is drop support

[arctic grove]

Which game? MW2?

[royal swan]

Yeah

[arctic grove]

are you sure you don’t want remastered mw2009 maps in y2…..

[wide shore]

Proper models period. All MW22 guns are legally different.

[eager spire]

MW19 was basically the best that modern CoD got, even with the slide cancelling going on.

[royal swan]

No talent

[inner roost]

I'd say 2042 recreates the Sig Spear better than MW2

[arctic grove]

MW2 has the sig spear?

[eager spire]

it doesn't have the spear

[inner roost]

M13 yes

M13 is basically it no?

[arctic grove]

I think the M13 is the LT(?)

[copper spindle]

Isn't it similar?

[arctic grove]

Different stock, but I see the similarity in the handguard

[inner roost]

Yeah they definitely are similar

[royal swan]

2042 despite being the worst bf game, is actually more chill and stress free

[arctic grove]

M13 might be chambered in 556 though

[copper spindle]

Yeah, compare those 2, it's really similar

[inner roost]

Yeah it's a Sig MCX

[pine roost]

And more fun to delve into with a competitive mindset

[eager spire]

yes it is

[inner roost]

Anyhow, dice did a better job with the M5A3, better model looks more accurate

[arctic grove]

Oh then yeah, I think if they added the actual xm5 it’d function differently since that uses 6.5

[eager spire]

unless you're a vehicle player. if you do that in a vehicle all you get is constant harassment.

[royal swan]

I have gotten mad at bf 2042 but I haven't raged to a point that I break my moral standing

[shy perch]

How about you jump on controller

[arctic grove]

Well they’re both good models but the M13 isn’t the XM5

[pine roost]

Everyone who is good gets harassed, no matter whether it’s infantry or vehicle, unfortunately

[royal swan]

Mw2022 on the other hand has made me wish torture on the devs

[inner roost]

Yeah, IW just reused the MW 19 model

[eager spire]

okay true

[pine roost]

I like the comments made by people who are completely oblivious to bf4’s movement system and say that 2042 has made it all cod like and Arcady

[eager spire]

people are fucking stupid when it comes to BF4

[wide shore]

I would like to bonk the person on the head who decided to remove server browser and persistent servers.

[pine roost]

But cause I don’t stream or make videos I can just work on it from the sidelines and avoid all that negativity :)

[arctic grove]

Same

[sharp marten]

True

[shy perch]

Lmao

[wide shore]

Cause BF4 is stoopid

[copper spindle]

BF4 movement was interesting

[inner roost]

People really gotta play cod before judging BF. 2042's movement works since it's maps are so large, cods movement makes it sweaty af and arcadey

[eager spire]

It's neat, though i don't like the teleport-y aspects of it.

[pine roost]

The only thing I didn’t like about bf4 was the hitbox manipulation

That’s just simply unfair

[inner roost]

Vaulting in BF4 was my most hated aspect

[wide shore]

There’s many things I don’t like about 4-

[inner roost]

Always get stuck no matter what

[royal swan]

Was that flinching

[pine roost]

But air strafing, ground sliding, bunny hopping, it was all so crisp

[pine roost]

Nah it’s the vouzou, when your hitbox shrinks but your camera stays at head position

[royal swan]

Huh

[pine roost]

Flinching is annoying but that is simply an exploit that makes it unfair

[royal swan]

Despite this, majority of people still love and worship bf4 as the best

[copper spindle]

They got use to it I'm guessing

[eager spire]

BF4 is fine, but putting a substantial amount of time into it, it's a bit annoying.

[inner roost]

It's a good game, but to me BF1 improved a lot of the frustrating shit from BF4

[eager spire]

BF1 improved
?????????????????

[inner roost]

Yeah

[eager spire]

i'm sorry but no the fuck it didn't

[inner roost]

Gunplay for me was def improved

[eager spire]

no

[inner roost]

Each to their own, I pref how BF1 handled

[pine roost]

I wish I could just combine all these different aspects into one big package and make my dream game

[arctic grove]

As said before

[eager spire]

BF1 is just an obnoxious game on multiple levels.

[wide shore]

Got rid of a lot of the glitched movement from BF4. That’s a win in my eyes.

[arctic grove]

BF3/4s theme
1s atmosphere
Vs movement
2042s gunplay (with revision)

Profit

[eager spire]

People only liked it cause it looked pretty.

[acoustic seal]

i like bf1 because it's piss easy and i can farm the one alive NA TDM server

[royal swan]

But majority of people praise it and love it

[inner roost]

V or 2042 gunplay would be good

[eager spire]

like i said, cause it looked pretty.

[wide shore]

And it has incredible maps.

[pine roost]

Bf1 just cut down on all the movement potential, raised the visual recoil and that’s basically it from my experience

[arctic grove]

I mean before this whole atmosphere thing I heard in the BFD I never liked 1 just because it looked pretty. I really just didn’t mind the gameplay experience either. I found it fun

[inner roost]

BF1 do have some great maps, and a lot of them

[arctic grove]

BF1 has some fun maps, fort de vaux is pretty damn fun

[wide shore]

There’s more great maps than bad maps. And for me, maps are the bread and butter of an FPS game.

[arctic grove]

I also remember that one map I believe from the French DLC that puts all the fire on the map, same map I hit one of my infamous snipe shots on

I just find it fun man

And because it looks so visually great that’s just a +

[hybrid totem]

I'm good enough to admit that my thumbs are not that agile.

[wide shore]

Your game could have great shooting mechanics. But if the maps suck, then the game sucks.

[arctic grove]

bf1 sucks lol < 2042 for the win

Like yeah there’s things about it that are cursed like some of the map and vehicle balancing decisions but eh

[pine roost]

Case in point, 2042

[eager spire]

Removed most of the movement, reintroduced visual recoil after removing it from BF4, fucked up the lighting because they prioritized HDR in a game from 2016, introduced the sweet spot mechanic which is stupid, had gas grenades that go through floors and walls

[arctic grove]

You don’t have to bait like this here

This Discord is a lot more tame than other parts of the BF community

We actually agree to disagree instead of downvoting you because you don’t like this game more than that one

[arctic grove]

thats exactly what i mean

[inner roost]

Everyone has a different BF game that they like

[copper spindle]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion

[arctic grove]

this game is honestly just kinda mid now, i have more hours in bfv more than i do 2042

I used to see so much passively backhanded ass comments about people on the BF subreddit saying they like 2042 just to get a “oh I mean that’s your opinion but I think it’s pretty shit and objectively bad”

[wide shore]

If by removing movement you mean removing bunny hopping spam bullshit from BF4 I’d consider that a fat W

[arctic grove]

Cool

[eager spire]

i don't think there's any BF game that doesn't have irritating bullshit

[shy perch]

Exactly tho tell u one thing the ladies love it jk jk

[eager spire]

you're on xbox why do you care

[arctic grove]

sure its nice that the game finally works but at the end of the day its just a mediocre shooter game with good graphics and interesting map design

[royal swan]

Until you put the aspect of human psychology and it's all fucked

[wide shore]

Because glitched movement shouldn’t exist.

[shy perch]

Fair point

[arctic grove]

you're on the internet

[pine roost]

The hitbox thing is the only part that was glitchy

[hybrid totem]

I mean if you're using your thumbs in that manner, I can see why you would be a console player

[wide shore]

That makes it even worse

[royal swan]

And people hack, steal, and dox on the internet

Sooo

[copper spindle]

Yupp, I gotta thank myself for taking psychology class and realizing that nobody would give a damn

[shy perch]

Lmao I was making a joke 🤣

[eager spire]

that's your opinion, and i am going to firmly disagree with that opinion on the basis that "glitchy" movement can help to increase the skill gap in a game and also give people more motivation to get better at the game.

[hybrid totem]

Me too buddy, me too

[arctic grove]

look at dude, aim, click, repeat

[inner roost]

BF4 movement won't be missed for me, I got stuck so much on ledges and shit

[arctic grove]

thats every bf game described

[pine roost]

Oh and I suppose the one tech where you can launch yourself by vaulting over a railing and switching guns

[shy perch]

I didnt wanna laugh 😅

[arctic grove]

cant get anymore generic and simple than that

[spiral folio]

Guns in general are point and click

[shy perch]

Proves your point

Haha

[shy perch]

Wdym?

[spiral folio]

Have you seen a gun?

[shy perch]

Yeah

[copper spindle]

Gotta put travel time and bullet drop

[wide shore]

Just make the movement possibilities better. You shouldn’t have to glitch move in order to get an edge.

BF1 improved the movement flow by adding the head high mantle and BFV expanded on that a lot by adding the mantle through windows and catching ledges. Stuff like that should be prioritized.

[royal swan]

Anything with a gun is described like that

[shy perch]

But for the sake of argument can you add what your point is

[pine roost]

Getting stuck on stuff and vaulting not working are some things I am glad got fixed

[inner roost]

Crouch sprinting was one of the best things they added

[spiral folio]

Yea like
"heres your rifle. Standard point and click interface"

[eager spire]

BF1 also fucked up the movement by removing air strafing, and while it added a slide, they nerfed it so hard that it's practically useless.

[arctic grove]

they really shoudlve used the same movement system and gunplay from bfv

[wide shore]

Idek what air strafing is.

[shy perch]

Ig so

[spiral folio]

I didn't think it was like really complicated

[arctic grove]

too bad ea wanted to taint another game series whitch was alr rough to begin with

[pine roost]

Oh man you’re missing out

[eager spire]

being able to change directions mid-jump

[inner roost]

Eh, 2042 gunplay better suits modern weapons

Movement I agree

[wide shore]

Sounds pretty silly to me

[eager spire]

yes but it's fun

[pine roost]

Super fun

[wide shore]

2042 has a great slide. BFV did too

[arctic grove]

bro the movement system is not the best movement in any shooter

[shy perch]

But generally when people refer to point and click generally its not a weapon being to easy to use

[pine roost]

The only reason I can stand locket 24/7 servers

[arctic grove]

your character has chicken legs bro

[pine roost]

Gave me a reason to want to play as much as I have, to master what mechanics exist

[arctic grove]

Yo I totally agree about 2042s gunplay for modern weapons. That’s a good way to put it tbh

[pine roost]

Goodness no, to me that’s titanfall 2 by a long shot. But in terms of bf specific movement I’d say it was the best

[arctic grove]

But yeah in general random recoil isn’t that fun on a lot of weapons in V. That’s why I personally can’t agree that it has the best gunplay

[eager spire]

to be honest i feel like any arena shooter based on like Quake 3 has perfectly good movement

[arctic grove]

I don’t like not actually being in full control of my weapon cause some shit is making my bullets fly around the target or randomly kick me around itself lol

[arctic grove]

yeah exactly, idk why you're even arguing about this

[inner roost]

Yeah, shoot any modern firearm under sustained fire you'll be surprised how much video games exaggerate recoil

[arctic grove]

It’s for balancing but it’s balance that now I just find annoying

Before 2042 I was used to 4 and 1 but now I’d rather not go back to that for future titles

[pine roost]

I didn’t think there was an argument going on? We are just talking about how the movement was

[inner roost]

It wasn't very realistic, random spread and bullet deviation was annoying

[royal swan]

And how shotguns are no where near their real life counterparts

[arctic grove]

2042 gunplay has actual recoil anyways which means it’s control based. I love it

[inner roost]

True, atleast 2042 shotguns have decent range unlike cod

[arctic grove]

its not the best movement that DICE has created bro

[wide shore]

Even with BF1’s RBD I can go back to it after playing a shitload of 2042 and I hardly even notice it.

[pine roost]

Each to their own as I’ve said, but for a battlefield title I’d say it has the most depth easily

[arctic grove]

Me personally I feel like Vs movement is more fun to talk about and see what’s missing from it in 2042 than it’s actually used, like I mean I think climbing and crouch running is alright but it’s not something I’m crazy about

[eager spire]

BF1's bloom is frankly annoying, medic SLR's have way too much of it.

[wide shore]

I miss the roll.

[arctic grove]

although they should definitely add climbing cause it would make manifest better

[inner roost]

2042 movement is fine, it's my second favourite of the series personally it fits the large maps, climbing should be a thing tho

[wide shore]

2042 has the high mantle. But it feels like you can’t jump as high as past titles.

[royal swan]

Why we can't climb containers is beyond me

[arctic grove]

I actually think 2042 is adding that back, the way they worded it in the patch notes made it seem like that, which I was actually suprised to see

[arctic grove]

lying on your back while prone, leaning left and right like every game post 2012, and just use makay if you're looking to traverse the map

Back prone can stay in V

Manual leaning id like to have that

also these no pats are super fucking generic, can you PLEASE do what overwatch did and make stories behind them bro

[wide shore]

As an MG42 shitlord. I miss the back prone.

[royal swan]

So glad the dogshit revive mechanic is staying in V

[wide shore]

I liked the animations

[inner roost]

The new revive mechanic looks great, charging defibs for full HP revives

[pine roost]

Nah it’s just an animation that plays while you take damage, more of a stumble

[wide shore]

Felt more immersive than the paddles

[arctic grove]

3.2 update is adding some descriptions to them to better describe them in game, as opposed to going to vague player cards

Like as you select them in the menu

[inner roost]

It did but charging defibs and quickly reviving is better for gameplay

Animation could get you killed

[wide shore]

Also currently doesn’t make sense that you use paddles for squad revives currently even if you’re not a medic

[royal swan]

Also I can kill with defibs now

[arctic grove]

better than saying "mommy and daddy died in a war that killed 69420 men and i have a gun and a robot dog"

[arctic grove]

Oh really? Damn that’s a bit disappointing, but better than thinking something is coming back that isn’t lol

[bitter skiff]

good evening boiners

[inner roost]

Finally angel won't be shit when reviving, I hate that he only revives to half HP unlike Falck

[wide shore]

Thankfully they’re changing the squad revive to use the med pen in 3.2

[ebon arrow]

who wants to eject together?

[arctic grove]

wat

[royal swan]

The squad revive is still a thing which I don't like. But you get 25 hp now

[pine roost]

[inner roost]

Better balanced, was dumb that squad mates revived at same HP as Angel

[wide shore]

I love squad revive

Should stay around forever

[inner roost]

Oh yeah squad revive itself is great

[royal swan]

No

[arctic grove]

Squad revive I think is fine

[ebon arrow]

no takers I guess....

[royal swan]

Unless you have limited amount of times you can squad revive

[bitter skiff]

Just jump in one of the squads on yr left....

[wide shore]

It already has plenty of downsides. And it’s gonna have an even bigger one when you only get revived to 25 Health after 3.2.

More people who can rez the better.

[royal swan]

That was a fair change

The 25 hp

[acoustic seal]

20hp revives were SO FUN in previous games

[royal swan]

But I would nerf it more where a squad mate can only squad revive 2 times in a life

[acoustic seal]

great mechanic to randomly reintroduce

[arctic grove]

Wait 20hp revive from supports?

[wide shore]

No?

Squad revives

[arctic grove]

Oh my bad lol

[wide shore]

Not medic revives

All good lol

[arctic grove]

I thought squad revives already revived to pretty low HP,?

[inner roost]

How much HP did BFV squad revive get you to

[pine roost]

I absolutely love it when people didn’t charge the defibs when we were in open space :)

[royal swan]

I hated that squad revive animation in bfv

[inner roost]

I had a habit of instantly using defibs and then throwing meds, was quicker

[royal swan]

The fucking dab me up

[eager spire]

i think it's funny

[wide shore]

They revive to 50 atm

[royal swan]

It is a bit funny

[inner roost]

The amount of times I saw people die in that animation

Hilarious

[arctic grove]

Oh damn so they’re nerfing it, that’s interesting

[wide shore]

To give medics more of a reason to exist I suppose

[royal swan]

Oh yeah dies to a tank shell, don't worry mate let me dab you up

[arctic grove]

I can see why they’d do that but it might be cursed for gameplay

[wide shore]

Though they could incentivize it more by making revives 100 points again.

[royal swan]

The squad revive animation will be a stim revive

[wide shore]

Thankfully

[pine roost]

Given how revives work now they might as well as back the charge mechanic to bring them to full

[inner roost]

They did

[wide shore]

Didn’t make sense for them to have paddles. And would make even less sense after 3.2

[inner roost]

You can charge defibs and revive to full

[pine roost]

Huzzah!

Good stuff

[eager spire]

honestly i don't see why revives needed to be nerfed

[inner roost]

Falck charges them faster that's about it

[eager spire]

they could've just not done that

like i think it would've been better if they didn't do that

[wide shore]

What got nerfed?

[inner roost]

They're trying to create more emphasis on support

[eager spire]

are they just changing things to change them

[royal swan]

Talking about the squad revive

It being 25 hp

[pine roost]

It just extends the time between getting a kill and that person being ready to fight you again

[eager spire]

okay

i know that

i still don't think it needed to be nerfed.

[royal swan]

I like that there is no animation for medic revive, and the defib is an actual equipment that I can use to kill people

[wide shore]

They also made it so that even if you don’t fully charge your paddles, they start to regen immediately

[radiant prism]

It’s an interesting choice, I think we’ll see how it works out and then if it’s too low DICE will likely just buff it back up to where it is now

[royal swan]

Defib kill montage is back baby

[radiant prism]

I’m a little unsure about 25HP too

[rocky kraken]

I saw one on YouTube already

[radiant prism]

But I still think it’s too early to tell whether it’s good or bad overall

As usual there’ll probably be something different that’s an actual issue

[shy perch]

Like the recoilless is a point and click adventure

[wide shore]

I’m not too worried about it.

[inner roost]

Ravic posted a vid of him straight murdering people with defib 😂

[radiant prism]

Generally I’ve noticed that people get all up in arms about something or other only for something else to be an actual problem

[royal swan]

It's only 25 for the specialist that aren't support

[radiant prism]

Yeah ik

Still feels a tad low to me but it makes sense why they’re doing it

And probably will just get buffed at some point down the line

If people don’t like it

[royal swan]

I would nerf to where you are limited to how many squad mates you can revive in a life

Put it at 4-5

[pine roost]

Why

[shy perch]

Why

[pine roost]

Mca

[radiant prism]

Yeah no I don’t think putting a hard cap on revives is a good idea

[shy perch]

Teammates are too op now?!

[radiant prism]

Kinda ruins the point of squad revives

[royal swan]

This is for squad revives btw

[eager spire]

that sounds stupid, don't do that

[copper fulcrum]

Yeah no

[eager spire]

don't listen to this guy why would you listen to this guy

[pine roost]

You have a longer animation, less health now. The enemy has ample time to take you out

[shy perch]

Alright

[radiant prism]

How does it feel to make a universally recognized L take

[ebon pilot]

an even longer animation than it already is?

[pine roost]

Oh no, im just stating how it’s longer than the regular medic animation

[ebon pilot]

oh right

[royal swan]

Not much lmao

[arctic grove]

Wait observer, why do you want less squad revives?

[inner roost]

How are squad revives op at all

They're legit 25 hp

[eager spire]

because he hated the animation in BFV

[arctic grove]

I really don’t know why my phone likes to correct revives to review damn pisses me off

[royal swan]

Who said they were op

[radiant prism]

It’s ok I don’t wanna bully you Observer <3

[royal swan]

Not me

[inner roost]

You want them nerfed no?

[shy perch]

You since you suggested nerfing them

[radiant prism]

Suggesting a nerf doesn’t mean it was/is OP

As usual people misuse the term OP

[eager spire]

if it's not OP then why nerf it.

[shy perch]

Then why nerf it if its fine?

[royal swan]

Because why not

[inner roost]

??

[eager spire]

because it's a bad idea that's why

putting a hard cap on the amount of people you can revive is a terrible idea

[shy perch]

Im sorry but I’m now existing on negative 43 braincells rather than 42 from that

[radiant prism]

It’s like squares and rectangles. All OP things generally need nerfs, but not all nerfs are against OP things

[copper fulcrum]

As if people don't revive enough lol

[royal swan]

Hell if we remove them in general it wouldn't do much

[copper fulcrum]

out.

[radiant prism]

Sometimes things just need slight toning down

[royal swan]

I'm down for them gone

[arctic grove]

Observer when doing a little troleng

[copper fulcrum]

They've been in the series since BF2, why remove them now lol

Literally a staple of the series

[royal swan]

Who genuinely remembers bf2

[shy perch]

MF WHY THEY ARENT OP SO WHY HURT SOMETHING THATS PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE AS IT IS

[copper fulcrum]

A lot of good people lmao

[arctic grove]

It’s just meant to go to show how long it’s been in the series without major problems

[copper fulcrum]

I think the competitive scene for BF2 was bigger than 2042's current one

[eager spire]

nah this ain't it

[radiant prism]

Alright everyone, we disagree on something, we’re all entitled to opinions n whatnot :)

[eager spire]

2042 has one?

[copper fulcrum]

It's small but it exists

[eager spire]

this is news to me

[shy perch]

Doesn’t mean everyone has a good opinion

[radiant prism]

Yeah there’s a comp scene…it’s just tiny just like it was in BF1 and BFV

Because BF isn’t made for comp

[royal swan]

Quit that nice talk or I'll start defending mortars again

[radiant prism]

Or milsim

[radiant prism]

Ok yeah no he crossed the line, kill him

https://tenor.com/view/bones-malone-and-the-spooky-boys-spoopy-rattle-em-gif-20212938

RATTLE EM, BOYS! NYAAAHAHAHAHAHAA

[royal swan]

I have a genuine list of reasons mortars are fair

[shy perch]

“Corporate agree’s with this statement”

[radiant prism]

It’s ok observer, there are two opinions in this circumstance, yours just happens to be objectively wrong :)

[copper fulcrum]

https://twitter.com/EsportBF/status/1616167045556486158

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[royal swan]

I think lis needs another buff

[radiant prism]

Wouldn’t complain tbh, Lis is fun

[shy perch]

Bro last time I checked the US army didnt nerf the A10 so why it gotta be nerfed in game?

[radiant prism]

The A10 nerfed itself by existing

[royal swan]

Making her rocket do better splash damage would make it more fun

[shy perch]

Wdym

[inner roost]

Why are A10 and Frogfoot not in AOW yet

[radiant prism]

I mean the only thing it has going for it is big gun go brrr

[royal swan]

Transforms lis to the ucav

Gotta add the ucav

[radiant prism]

It’s not even that effective against armor anymore

Not to mention the gun is wildly inaccurate and dangerous to friendly infantry

[shy perch]

Have you ever seen what that “big gun” can do?

[upbeat sand]

Sounds like a group of people who Otto instead of Camping in the hill on exposure B

[radiant prism]

Yeah, friendly fire a lot :)

LazerPig did a great video explaining it

And yes I’m parroting his points a little

But they are backed up by solid evidence

[shy perch]

Thats why they do collateral scans go ask anyone in dynamic targeting

[royal swan]

Oh forgot to remind that airstrikes were leaked to be added

[radiant prism]

Not in the A-10 they don’t

[inner roost]

Season 4 hopefully we get airstrikes smoke barrage and shit

Cruise missile would be awesome

[royal swan]

Or just add the mortar

[radiant prism]

Most A-10s have to have a multi billion dollar upgrade to have any kind of targeting system

[inner roost]

Nah mortars boring

[radiant prism]

Visibility in the cockpit of the A-10 is quite bad

[inner roost]

I want a big ass boom like V1 rocket

[royal swan]

Definitely not the reaction I hoped for

[shy perch]

Dynamic targeting is not an upgrade it is a job

[royal swan]

Bring mortars and all chat, I need to feed my malicious intent

[shy perch]

The people in the big “mission control room”

[inner roost]

I don't mind the addition of the mortar, it's just 2042's map size makes large scale explosives more suitable

[shy perch]

They find shit to blow up the ring the AF then say go over here take out that check point only when no mfs are around aside from the bad ones

[radiant prism]

Doesn’t matter what they tell the A-10 to go hit, it’s chances of finding and hitting its target without hurting friendlies/actually having an effect on their target beyond kicking up dust and maybe soft targets is scarily low compared to most other forms of CAS

[shy perch]

Yeah bro just add the davy crocket V2

[radiant prism]

Not to mention it’s probably woefully underequipped to deal with modern AA systems

Considering how low it has to fly to have a chance of being effective

[shy perch]

I’m talking about iraq/Afghanistan mainly Afghanistan

Not any “modern AA systems”

[radiant prism]

Look I love the A-10 as much as the next guy, the gun is iconic as hell but you gotta admit it’s a little ridiculous

[radiant prism]

And that’s probably the only reason it’s stuck around this long, it’s never had to deal with competent military forces

Guarantee you if the US ends up in conflict with a somewhat modern military power the A-10 will be nowhere to be found or will just be target practice

cough Russia cough

[shy perch]

You are right but what your saying is that the pilots hit anything that looks even remotely bad when they dont half the time they dont even get a chance to strike because last second civs appeared or friendlys were too close

[arctic grove]

I feel like the A10 as a drone would have its place in peer to peer warfare

Or in an environment where there’s total air superiority and SEAD already took a bunch of other shet out

[radiant prism]

It’s not just that though, there have been times where A-10s have entirely misidentified friendly forces as enemy, resulting in the highest rate of friendly fire incidents among just about any modern aircraft today. Especially when compared with a pretty staggeringly high inaccuracy rate on its cannon

All that cannon recoil does not make for a steady weapons platform

[arctic grove]

You can’t criticize the brrt machine

[shy perch]

Not quite you forget the accuracy is made up to AAE ammunition

And you probably are right Miss Ids happen a lot yes

[radiant prism]

Imma just link you the video

https://youtu.be/WWfsz5R6irs

[shy perch]

Yeah

No thansk

[radiant prism]

Watch this, lazerpig is a fantastic creator

His thumbnails are much dumber than his videos

[shy perch]

Go fact check him first

[radiant prism]

He has a background in military intelligence and cites all of his sources.

[eager spire]

i mean if you don't agree with what he says you could also fact check him

[shy perch]

I intend on it

[radiant prism]

Go for it

He’s a great creator

Up and coming

Lots of historical military knowledge

Has talked a lot in depth about the war in Ukraine too, interesting stuff

Agree with him or not go watch LazerPig he’s great lol

[dapper river]

"ummm actually the F-35 is superior due to its supermaneuverability and forward-thinking technologies that allow pilots to engage enemy aircraft beyond visual contact distances and um also they can share tac data with any allied F-35s in the combat airspace instantly without needing to know the language and and and their munitions payload makes them excell at and surpass the A-10 in its current mission setu-- "

"hehe a-10 go brrt "

[slender hare]

is it normal that I start to enjoy BF2042 music????

[edgy oriole]

usually experimental music requires a few listens before you start liking it

[arctic grove]

Yes

[edgy oriole]

there is like 2 songs i like from it. but idk their name

[arctic grove]

Nothing wrong with enjoying it, I always did myself

[edgy oriole]

they didnt release the vinyl when gears of war released theirs on xbox gear shop idk why

2042 colour palette would be top tier for vinyl. imo

[bitter skiff]

I love the music too

[ebon arrow]

i need to eject

[arctic grove]

[ebon arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-wink-wink-winking-rowan-atkinson-gif-15388297

[royal swan]

What was the deal about the A-10, we can all agree that it's just a two engine plane built around the gun firing freedom

A plane that I would like better than the A-10 is the gunship

Preferred the AC-130

[thick shadow]

I still don't know where to find the a10

Lmao

[limpid pond]

Anyone play the new deadpace game yet?

It's literally bettee than the og

[thick shadow]

Not yet, planning on getting

[limpid pond]

100000% worth it

[royal swan]

Gunships are battleships
A-10 is the destroyer
B-21 raider is the submarine
Change my mind

[limpid pond]

They took every concept of the first one and made it 20× better

[thick shadow]

It'll be my FIRST dead space game since I never gotten the chance to play it

[limpid pond]

Really?

[thick shadow]

Yes

Like I have never played any of the games

[limpid pond]

Well tip then. I see alot of new players making this mistake. Keep your plasma cutter horizontal and shoot the legs off of enemies first

[thick shadow]

Tried callisto but I didn't really feel scared

More annoyed

[thick shadow]

Gonna be difficult if I'm gonna panick

[limpid pond]

People go for the arms but if you shoot the legs it slows the enemies down especially when you get to the fast running mutated enemies

[thick shadow]

I like horror games but I'm really bad with tension, atmosphere and sounds

I beg ur damn pardon, did u just say fast running?

[wise trail]

Crossplay... Yes or no?

[limpid pond]

Gotcha. It's 100% scary

[wise trail]

Give me a straight answer

It's my first time playing

[limpid pond]

Bf 2042 is crossplay yes

[wise trail]

Epic

wait no

I meant should I use it

[thick shadow]

Ohh I'm taking your word for it

[wise trail]

Some games have terrible crossplay

[royal swan]

Yeah

[limpid pond]

Deadspace is single player buddy

[wise trail]

alrigh

thanks

[limpid pond]

Oh yeah use the crossplay

[thick shadow]

If I ever see you here or in general chat, I'll let you know how my first hour went dread

[royal swan]

Only way to find full servers all the time

[limpid pond]

It'll make you a better play

[wise trail]

Oh ok well thanks

[limpid pond]

Sounds good bud. I think you'll love it overall the game is amazing

[thick shadow]

Callisto just felt annoying to play ngl

I heard good things about the dead space franchise

[royal swan]

Oh, you're in the oceania area.

[limpid pond]

They also hinted at a deadspace 2 remake and if this one is better than the original I can only imagine the second one

[royal swan]

Not as populated

[inner roost]

You can find servers with crossplay off on PS5, not sure about xbox

[thick shadow]

What did they improve?

Like they took concepts and made it a real thing you say?

[limpid pond]

Dead space is what the callisto protocol tried to copy but failed

[inner roost]

Callisto has such a horrible combat system

[thick shadow]

It was the same dev right?

[limpid pond]

Overall interactions actual gameplay and most scenes are really enhanced along with lighting

I'm not sure about the dev thing tnh

[thick shadow]

On god, I have mixed feelings ab2my purchase

FFS my speech

Why does it always go to ab2

[limpid pond]

Stuff that you weren't able to do in the original were enhanced so much its not even funny. Makes the game even more creepy. Like getting closer to people that you weren't able to in the first one and what not

[thick shadow]

Dsmn

Damn

Sounds pretty good ngl

[limpid pond]

Enemies were also toned up a bit slightly so they move a tad bit faster

[thick shadow]

Bruh what why

[limpid pond]

They also adjusted the lighting so it's lower now and gives you a deserted shit feel

Ship*

[thick shadow]

Dawg I feel like they wanted the players to be shitting their pants

[limpid pond]

They pretty much do

That's also the reason the game has 5☆ reviews across the board

[thick shadow]

I hope this beats alien isolation for me

I played through alien isolation and it was so terrifying

[limpid pond]

They actually managed to surpass the original game with the remake which very few games have ever done

[thick shadow]

I'm confident that this game will beat it for sure

[limpid pond]

100%

I would suggest watching a bit of some gameplay before you play if you wanna get somewhat of a sense of direction

Even if you know what's about to happen I 1000% guarantee you'll still jump at jump scare

[thick shadow]

Game will prolly take around 80 hours for me of just me deciding if I should turn around each corner I encounter

[thick shadow]

I have watched some before you buy stuff

[limpid pond]

That's what will happen even if you know where to go

Yeah not the before you buy ones. But the actual gameplay like full 4 hour gameplays with no commentary

[mossy badge]

I like the graphics of Callisto protocol more rest I think is better in dead space remake

[limpid pond]

The graphics in callisto protocol were insane. I also liked the opening story a bit more in callisto

[thick shadow]

That's the thing, I'd rather watch spoiler free videos which re mostly the before you buy ones than a gameplay footage of 4 hours

I want to go in fresh

[limpid pond]

Gotcha well either way you'll shit your pants

Games great 10/10 would recommend any time of day

[mossy badge]

Tbh I will play both even with flaws I want to finish Callisto protocol too

[thick shadow]

A full 80 euros man 😩

I don't mind the price but damn

[limpid pond]

Well play deadspace all the way through. It's better than callisto and you actually feel like your money was well spent

[thick shadow]

If it delivers then hey money we'll spent

[limpid pond]

Also they added cool bonus suits which is super sick

Wasn't in the original

[thick shadow]

I recently calibrated my tv for gaming so I should be good to go when I get the game

[plain needle]

Crawford and Boris are gonna be used much more I feel like

The javelen is a three shot on most tanks I’m so fucking hyped

I hate tankers so muh

[limpid pond]

Possibly. The only specialist that will be used more will be whatever the wannabe good players find out is meta

Like 60% of people are using Mackay right now it's pretty dumb

[plain needle]

That ads strafe speed lmao

[thick shadow]

Am i one of the few that just plays battlefield with whatever I think looks nice just to feel the immersion of war?

[plain needle]

Probably, I’m a falck main

[limpid pond]

Yeah it's ridiculous that it belongs to a certain character and not the smg catergory

[thick shadow]

I just use whatever specialist I have with nice skins

[limpid pond]

I main paik

[plain needle]

“I like seeing through walls”

[limpid pond]

Yes it works well against Mackay soammers

Spammera

[plain needle]

Paik is 0 skill tbf

[limpid pond]

Eh you see less paiks then you do dozer