battlefield-2042

[next onyx]

He disables vehicles.

[wild marlin]

next update I hear that they're going to be changing Arrow's passive to reveal weak enemies that are close to him

[next onyx]

Aye she gets in close and does that.

[chilly dove]

rao detects people who shoot him and can give armor a hard time

[wild marlin]

which is supposed to be an engineer's job so how come a recon is doing an engineer's job

[chilly dove]

other dude has a drone that spots

[wild marlin]

like it's okay if they help an engineer do his job not if they do the engineers job for him

[next onyx]

Don't know don't care.

[chilly dove]

and he has a spidey sense that works at close range

[next onyx]

His motion sensor is weird.

Not that im against it.

[wild marlin]

but those abilities are supposed to help you when you're getting pulled up on when you're not paying attention

[copper fulcrum]

And most people don't use it lol

[wild marlin]

like they're literally trying to promote you staying alone in the back of the map and they're giving you the tools to survive when you're not paying attention

[next onyx]

To be fair.

[wild marlin]

cuz you're too focused on sniping people far away from you

[copper fulcrum]

idk how people just ignore the FLASHING RED FUCKING CIRCLE THAT COVERS A GOOD PORTION OF THE SCREEN but whatever

[next onyx]

Its meant to be an alarm for when he's using his drone.

That's what I gathered from the beta.

[wild marlin]

yeah but it works both ways whether you're close or far the point is someone's close to you you don't notice them you're going to have an alarm sounding off

[hexed mango]

which barely impacts gameplay, but whatever, i see that as more of a pull to tradition, and the playstyle of casper, rao can also sniper quite easily, and hence i feel like it fits
the only outlier is paik, but you arent forced to use snipers, hence the proficiency isnt a requirement, but a bonus for using said weapon type.
Alike BF4 where you aren't locked to snipers, its an option, and option you dont have to follow if you dont want to, but if you want to, you can

plus, this means that if you wish to use snipers, you can use the sniper proficiency if you play as a recon, promoting people to play one of those 3 (soon 4) instead of like an assault class, hence having less mackay's sniping on roofs, and perhaps less irish campers.

purely relative to what you're looking at, i do not think its much to fuss over seeing that it isnt even something you're required to focus on, casper may be more of a sniper than the other two, but that doesnt mean that paik cant be cqb, or that casper cant be long range.

[chilly dove]

it's more to appease crybabies than anything. we never needed a return to classes. all of this is dumb

[hexed mango]

eh i say its for the better to go back.

[chilly dove]

they were grouped as reconaissance which has to do with the role of reconnaisance IRL. scouting, prodding

[arctic grove]

Classes were absolutely the better system for increasing class incentives and infantry to vehicle balancing

[wild marlin]

like you're speaking facts right but that doesn't stop the fact that dice doesn't know who should be doing what and how they should be doing it

[copper fulcrum]

We could also just make a year 3 for 2042

[hexed mango]

for the formality of it, the organization of play, and the apparent lack of teamplay, classes (even in this pseudo-style) are still better than nothing.

[wild marlin]

like in my head it goes like this assault characters are supposed to be frontlining getting frags supports are supposed to be resupplying and healing people engineers are supposed to be the people who take care of vehicles and recons are supposed to be the people spotting everybody

[chilly dove]

teamwork exists without classess too. vehicles with infinite regenerating ammo will always be OP. people should be able to play whatever specialist/role they want.

[wild marlin]

hey dude I just want the old days like bf4 back where people knew exactly what to do I want to play engineer again have a javelin look at yellow boxes and waiting for them to blow up like that's gone now

[arctic grove]

Negative, being able to have literally anyone run an M5 or FXAA (especially with DOUBLE the amount of enemies) totally fucked over vehicle to infantry balancing in this game and it’s incredibly apparent by just playing vehicles

[wild marlin]

like people just don't know what a soflam is anymore and they're not going to pick it next to update because it's not the class gadget it's going to it's going to be an open gadget and everyone rather have like a claymore or a prox sensor

[chilly dove]

i'm not opposed to javelin at all. and soflamres exist without being a role forced gadget anyway

[arctic grove]

There was also a blurred line between the incentives to play Angel and Falck when Mackay or Paik can do your healing/resupplying. I don’t care about the ammo packs, loadout call in or syringe gun, the general point of support was able to be fulfilled by literally anyone

[wild marlin]

was literally telling you about this earlier the ability for everybody to have an at Rocket fucking sucks for vehicle players especially on maps where people know there's going to be vehicles running around and they prepare for it

[chilly dove]

i don't know what alternate reality you live in where you think the infantry have been dominating this game lol. dice literally removed the amount of air vehicles. and let me go and find you THE THREAD

[arctic grove]

That freedom shit might work where there’s 64p max on a map but absolutely not with 128

[arctic grove]

I’m 100% aware DICE neutered vehicle slots in this game

[wild marlin]

oh even with 64 players it's still a problem because how many of those 32 people on the other team need to have an M5 when all it takes is five or four Rockets to put you down

[hexed mango]

i think they understand quite well the role of a spotter.

ill take each three individually

Casper, a primarily long range character, benefits from the fact that he has a drone that can be used to spot enemies, and hack vehicles if he chooses to, since his playstyle is primarily long range, snipers make sense for him, allowing him to scope out enemies from a far, and then spot them with the traditional spotting.

Paik, while CQB dominant, also spots enemies. Her scanner allows for quality infiltration in cqb, allowing her to find enemies and hunt them down, her passive also supports this by spotting those she damages, and i think that plays well for the role of spotting.

Rao, who admittedly plays more into the hands of an engineer, still contains the qualities of recon that are expected, his hacking system allows enemies to be spotted and temporarily hacked. This again plays into the mix between sitting back like casper, but infiltrating like paik.

I think its not a lack of identity, but a mix of "flavors", as one can either do full on sniping with casper, or infiltration with paik, or a mix with rao. Allowing people to play according to their playstyles, in a class where all three specialists focus on spotting enemies.

[arctic grove]

Made them even easier to focus on and pick off imo

Lis also absolutely fucked infantry to vehicle balancing when a TV missile could be used on a tank over 100 meters away with almost 0 way to detect where the Lis was firing from

While tanks still didn’t even have APS

[chilly dove]

https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/Thats-why-Infantry-players-leaving-Battlefield-2042/

[arctic grove]

I was here during the vehicle outrage but my points still apply

[wild marlin]

you making good points and everything but I still feel like why is Paik supposed to be playing up close as a recon and why is Rao literally just stopping vehicles from firing out right as a recon

[chilly dove]

this is real. anyone complaining that vehicels aren't good is pure skill issue

[arctic grove]

Vehicles were more than likely initially overwhelming but nonetheless the game has definitely appealed towards infantry

[arctic grove]

Vehicles are limited in how fun they actually are when Rao and free access to the FXAA exist

[chilly dove]

Infantry Farming Simulator 2042

[arctic grove]

Nothing necessarily wrong with Rao till you factor in 64 player enemy teams

[hexed mango]

And, as I have been told multiple times by Sam (who, if you do not know, is the lead gadget designer), their main focus is allowing people to play to their desired playstyles while still bringing the experience that is expected, admittedly, this experience needs to be improved, but I personally feel that most the specialists reflect their class (besides the obvious ones that are switching in 3.2), and allow people to play what they wish to play.

[chilly dove]

"negative"

[arctic grove]

Are you mocking the way I type now?

[chilly dove]

this game, if anything, needs more vehicle nerfs.

[arctic grove]

Let’s stick to the points I’m making and not how I type pls

[arctic grove]

Bait?

Not taking it

You can’t say skeel ishoo then say vehicles need more nerfs

[chilly dove]

not bait, also I justed used "negative" to disagree wiith you because i thought it was fitting. the mockery is in your own mind. I like the word too

[arctic grove]

It’s not hard to factor in open loadout combined with 2x the enemy player count is awful for infantry vehicle balancing

[wild marlin]

@hexed mango maybe I'm just being a purist and cant cope w a recon playing close ranger but perhaps in missing the point, perhaps it's intentional that Paik has a close range ability to enable her to play close range as a recon

[arctic grove]

Except you put it in quotation marks, nothing else you’ve said in response to be has been in quotation marks

[chilly dove]

like you can buff the vehicles that are dumb broken terrible. like the turn speed of the turrets on alot of the ground vehicles. that is ass

[hexed mango]

Because it allows players to choose what they want to do, again, if you want to be aggro, you can play paik and lean on those skills, if you want to lay back and snipe and spot, casper is ideal, if you want to spot but also be aggro, and helpful to your team, rao is a key character. On the topic of "why is Rao literally just stopping vehicles from firing out right as a recon", yes, while rao kinda plays like an engineer, i think that he fits as a recon because of the limitations that he has imposed on himself, he cant (as of 3.2) hack and launch a missile, so separating those skills to allow one character to disable the vehicle (and subsequently spot the vehicle and its passengers), and then another (any engineer) to attempt to shoot at it, makes sense for teamplay and organization

[arctic grove]

If it’s not bait then respectfully you’re in the alternate dimension if you think vehicles need more nerfs when you can only muster like 2 tanks against an enemy team of 64 players

[hexed mango]

I believe that to be what they intended, yes

[chilly dove]

but as for the vehicles that once you're "good" with, you become a nearly unstoppable farming force lmao

[arctic grove]

Turn speed on turrets is a non issue imo, like it’s really not hard to turn my tank in the direction I need to fire if I absolutely need to

[arctic grove]

Arguable

[wild marlin]

you know I think I was just looking at it wrong and I need to have a different perspective on how the game is being designed in fact I can actually maybe agree with the fact that rao can hack vehicles maybe not the way he's doing it now but they are changing his passive to reveal enemies who are weak nearby him in the future

[arctic grove]

Also despite being an average vehicle enjoyer the wildcat is lowkey cursed. The range on it is so cracked now

[chilly dove]

skill issue, i'm serious. nightbird, stealth chopper, the attack choppers, the friggen hind lmao

[fallen pine]

Quick question, can Irish's APS system take out Liz's rockets?

[arctic grove]

Still thinking I know the solution tho

[hexed mango]

No worries, it is definitely complicated with the way the game is setup and its complexities are indeed present

[copper fulcrum]

Yes

[chilly dove]

the hind is so god tier and has always been lol

[arctic grove]

Transports definitely have a problem but let’s remember Lis one shots the stealth helis now

[fallen pine]

That just causes me even more pain

[arctic grove]

Not sure about the Nightbird but it’s been nerfed so hard as is

[fallen pine]

when Tanks drive away from my APS systems

[copper fulcrum]

The better question is what CAN'T the APS take out

[fallen pine]

and then complain about Liz spam

[arctic grove]

Attacks just recently got a decent buff but they are still pretty interestingly balanced

[wild marlin]

but let me tell you something that I just flat out cannot agree with no matter how much people try to defend and that's boris's turret and to some extent crawfords gadget

[copper fulcrum]

I actually had someone complain that the APS doesn't block throwing knives lol

[verbal barn]

I got this game off ea play for $5 and honestly it’s not even that bad 💀 wouldn’t say it’s comparable to bf 3,4 or 1 but it’s still pretty good

[chilly dove]

lia missile is detected by threat radar, only the best of the best lis' can reliably wreck choppers

[wild marlin]

as it stands Boris cannot deal with vehicles at all in fact his only anti-vehicle abilities next patch will come from the fact that he's the class that can carry a rocket launcher

[arctic grove]

I’m just saying since you said the stealth’s are still cracked, not necessarily, they definitely used to be a problem tho

[verbal barn]

Why do ppl hate this game for what makes it so unbelievable compared to the older titles

[arctic grove]

Specialists

[chilly dove]

and that's like 1 of 12 specialists. 10% chance or w/e of running into a lis, maybe slightly higher due to popularity

[hexed mango]

I think what is somewhat interesting and controversial about this game, is the obvious specialists.
Granted, it is a deviation from the tried and true formula, but i think it opens up some interesting pathways.

What I mean is, the specialists themselves are considered the basis of the class, but each allows new playstyles, and I think that makes it super flexible to play this game, especially with the open gun layouts, allowing numerous combinations of specialists, gadgets, guns, while each being unique to the player

[arctic grove]

Still more vehicle nerfs are not necesssry

[verbal barn]

So 50k+ ppl quit because of specialists…

[fallen pine]

yea

[verbal barn]

Tf

[arctic grove]

If you would’ve been more specific I’d also tell you it was due to horrible stability and poor content

[fallen pine]

To the community, the launch of 2042 was a massive step backwards.

It felt like a game that should've been released before BF3

[wild marlin]

like Boris right now just grinds my gears because his kit has absolutely nothing to do with anti-vehicle gameplay

[arctic grove]

There were a lot of fan favorite and ‘legacy’ features not present at launch

[fallen pine]

with the amount of bugs/glitches and content

[arctic grove]

And some still aren’t such as persistent AOW servers and a aow server browser

[chilly dove]

anyway I generally disagree with you Leviathan on alot of things. I don't have time to go back and check everything you replited to me directly to but I guess agree to disagree

[wild marlin]

hop into a DM lol

[hexed mango]

Understandable. I personally like the idea of Crawford and Boris, mainly because there are no pre-existing emplacements on the maps.

Granted, those specialists are nowhere near perfect, and Sam (the aforementioned gadget dev) was one of the ones that designed Crawford, and he has told me that he did not like how he turned out.

Sam also mentions that 3.2 is more than just the class update, with Crawford going into engineer, they have reworked numerous specialists, including Crawford, Boris, Irish, and others, to facilitate the changes, changes which he believes are for the better.

[arctic grove]

The turret can easily smoke tanks bro /j

[wild marlin]

yeah bro that's so facts the game actually neglects to tell you that Boris is turret fires fissile uranium rounds which obliterate any vehicles which it touches

[hexed mango]

precisely what way and myself talked to sam about, which seems to be what he indicated as present in their change for him in 3.2

[chilly dove]

but I did post the thread that exposed skill issues while also calling out the fact that vehicle players dominate scoreboards because of how much of a handhold this game is for vehicles

[arctic grove]

A handhold ya say?

[chilly dove]

i don't understand that emote

[hexed mango]

tl;dr: the #948574259209437264 for specialists has lead to a lot of changes in 3.2
most of which, from what ive heard from sam, are for the better.

[chilly dove]

but ... yeah

[arctic grove]

I mean I’d agree that vehicles were initially dominant but still, infantry to vehicle balance is cursed when you let literally anyone use a rocket

[hexed mango]

Hard to think that almost half a year ago they started the core feedback for specialists

[arctic grove]

It’s reasonable to restrict anti vehicle gadgets to anti vehicle characters

Which our initial point was discussing how you said class system was brought back for crybabies

To which I disagreed and mentioned the abhorrent vehicle and infantry balance

the vehicles I still have a problem with tho are the transports and the ram

Ram doesn’t need the spawn beacon imo, give it to the beloved MAV

Transports are cursed

[chilly dove]

from a realistic standpoint, anyone can learn to fire a shoudler mounted anything. from an in game standpoint, people will option select other gadgets for their benefits too which reduces the amount of rocket you'll see. the only reason there'struly alot of anything is that people can switch weapons on respawn or angel crate.

[arctic grove]

bruh moment

Even in real life even if everyone learns how to use a Javelin or Stinger, they’re expensive systems left to specialized troops to carry and use

In this case that’s Battlefields Engineers

Although I really dunno why we’re mentioning real life

[chilly dove]

even so, that never stopped squads from having all engineers in previous games. keyword games.

[arctic grove]

That’s true

I’d rather them be restricted to certain passive abilities and gadget types

There’s a reason there’s an anti tank infantryman and an infantryman in the US army

[copper fulcrum]

keyword previous

[chilly dove]

no, the parallel now is that everything the engineers could do in a squad of full engineers is possible in a squad of all specialists picking engineer-like gadgets

[arctic grove]

As specialists that aren’t functionally engineer

[chilly dove]

it's the same thing pretty much

[arctic grove]

Which is the problem

[chilly dove]

i just don't see the problem lol

[next onyx]

I liked bf5's class balance.

[limpid pond]

The problem is ars they're to powerful

[next onyx]

How assault was AT and support repaired vehicles.

[kindred flint]

i liked flare and trench carbine

[next onyx]

Aggro recon with a ghetto SMG.

It was a good combo.

[chilly dove]

ok first of all, every specialist brings something ridiculous to the table as is so that kind of balances out. arguments can be made for boris sucking and the fact they had to nerf wall hack girl repeatedly

[kindred flint]

the best of times 🥹

[next onyx]

An actual SMG would win but the utility provided with the flares kept recon up.

[copper fulcrum]

And you can also just pick up an SMG off the ground

[kindred flint]

considering recon only had 2 full autos, they were damn fun

[chilly dove]

but beyond their specialist abilities, there are gadgets, which in a singular sense, can never be overpowered. there's nothing OP about any gadget in this game. and if you stack them, you just have stuff you cna stack from older games.

[next onyx]

I liked the RSC.

Enjoyed its quick reload with the 3x.

[arctic grove]

Stacking is impossible to prevent but I’d rather players have to play engineer to do it

[chilly dove]

pick any gadget you want and i'll explain how it's not OP.

even if you stack them in a squad or on a team

[copper fulcrum]

4 people with all Armor plates

or SOFLAMs, idk

[chilly dove]

1 at a time lol

[next onyx]

Armour is even worse.

[chilly dove]

but i'll get through em

[arctic grove]

I don’t think gadgets are OP even when stacked because I mean you can easily like you said just go squad stack as an engineer in older games

Problem is stacking without having to play engineer

[copper fulcrum]

But how am I gonna do cool loops in the sky as Sundance with a rocket launcher?

Ammo crate is op on Angel

[arctic grove]

Or not stacking but just the fact that most players are typically running the FXAA or an5 anyways

[copper fulcrum]

[chilly dove]

4 people with armour plates is 4 people without the other things. they're offensive strength is limited to primary, secondary, throwable and specialist abilities that do damage. sure BF2042 is more complex because you have to weigh in the specialist ability category but everyone is a specialist so it's balanced.

next

ok soflams

[arctic grove]

I mean Sundance wasn’t being serious but yes

[copper fulcrum]

Buddy I don't care lol

I am like Half-Way through a Jack Daniels

4 Raos all using Stingers

[next onyx]

Yo booze.

[copper fulcrum]

Honestly the only thing I'm really looking forward to in 3.2 is the Breakaway rework. I like Breakaway atm but the rework looks beautiful

[next onyx]

I got some rum in my cabinet but no hard liquor this month.

Yeah the new map looks completely different.

I got a star wars theme in the caves.

[arctic grove]

I might play with vehicles a bit more with classes but same

[next onyx]

In the former ravine.

[arctic grove]

Most hype is on the new breakaway

[chilly dove]

4 people with soflams can do quite a bit of marking and anti-vehicle intimidation. how that stacks in that squad is clearly for the sake of their playstyle that would benefit them, which is all ultimately for the sake of the team. we could expect thme to hang back or go on a more secondary approach, providing area bawsed recon. they could buff that with specialists who can perform recon duties if you think about it, but it would still be great in the hands of anyone else as laser spotting vehicles helps a falk just as much as it helps a sundance or a boris

[next onyx]

We need an upside down skeleton referencing star wars.

[chilly dove]

i can't remember but i thought rao can't use stingers because of a balancing ideal set by dice that states a conflict with his specialist ability

[copper fulcrum]

Yeah it'll be restricted for Rao after 3.2

[hexed mango]

he can rn

[arctic grove]

Day 8283843 of me wishing 128 would go back to solo/co-op so I can experience the 128 versions of the reworks without having to play vs brains

[copper fulcrum]

I meant before the update, yeah

[chilly dove]

ok well for that, i'm in somewhat conflict with dice. i believe that is not the proper nerf direction

[copper fulcrum]

The bots play too aggressively on certain objectives for some maps, like Kaleidoscope, it makes the entire open area between A and C just fuckin' empty

[arctic grove]

what you mean aggressive

they're unstable

[chilly dove]

i think they could introduce vehicular antivirus buffs

[copper fulcrum]

Like aggressive towards objectives

[arctic grove]

Yeah true, their pathing is straight to the point

Like I wanna see some bots stupidly standing in the roads like on the trailer

[copper fulcrum]

Yeah every bot just stares at the fucking Tornado like a Stormchaser

[next onyx]

With actual predictability and armour nerf coming in the game will be less painful to play.

[copper fulcrum]

Is armor getting nerfed? It rarely affects my gameplay anyways

[next onyx]

I notice it more but I know that it's going away from Irish.

Cause of course they're replacing his passive.

[copper fulcrum]

At least armor isn't like CoD armor where it will take like half a mag of an MP5 to kill one guy lol

[hexed mango]

yeah im excited for less armor

[next onyx]

I have heard of a small rumour that armour will be adjusted.

[arctic grove]

remember when BF didn't have armor

[next onyx]

I don't because it's been in since bf4.

[arctic grove]

unless you mean flak armor

[fallen pine]

They're making irish a Support?

[copper fulcrum]

I think Irish getting Crawford's trait will work

Yeah

[next onyx]

OH wait Bad co 2 had Ceramic armour.

[fallen pine]

Why....

[next onyx]

Nah it's an actual defensive perk body armour thing.

[copper fulcrum]

It makes more sense for Crawford to be an Engineer and Irish to be a Support

[next onyx]

And in BFH we had armoured insert that would decrease damage to the chest by 50%.

[fallen pine]

True

[arctic grove]

rip servers

[next onyx]

Bf1 we had sentry kits.

[copper fulcrum]

As Irish tends to stick to the team and use shields and APS for cover while Crawford has

MINIGUN

[arctic grove]

it's like playing as a special unit

[copper fulcrum]

Which can do an okay job at bugging a Nightbird Pilot maybe lol

[arctic grove]

better than specialtist

[chilly dove]

So with that I honestly think there's nothing overpowered about specialists in anyway except maybe with cooldowns on OP abilities. but conceptually, none of this to me speaks to an inhenrent issue with specialists as a whole. case by case singular issues maybe, but i definitely disagree with heavy handed class restrictions approach because we've proven that alot of people's complaints about specialists stem from the fact that Battlefield 2042 isn't a carbon copy of Battlefield 3 or 4 in the future. or that they think teamwork only exists when a game has a class system lol

[grand barn]

this is actually really funny because it shows that you dont like me, but still watch regularly 💀

[next onyx]

DICE really loved armour.

[grand barn]

they almost added armor to bf5

[arctic grove]

or copying cod armor

[next onyx]

I don't want another fight like last time please don't push it.

Yeah I remember that.

[copper fulcrum]

Didn't this argument end yesterday or whatever?

[arctic grove]

yes

Someone probably sent him the messages again

[next onyx]

Feels like it's been longer since then, Eh. Just none of this.

[copper fulcrum]

Yeah, anyways Irish will be Support now

Which will make me play as Irish more now, tbh

[next onyx]

I'm looking forward to that.

[arctic grove]

And muh classes

[fallen pine]

I actually love it

I like irish a lot

[arctic grove]

I’ll be able to tank a little easier

[fallen pine]

but hate that he isnt a Medic

[arctic grove]

So that’s cool

[next onyx]

Playing tonnes of pokemon it's made me understand utility a bit more.

[fallen pine]

So this will be great

[copper fulcrum]

Irish will be able to revive

So you will be able to put up a shield, revive and then pick the shield back up

Irish is the Savior of Battlefield

[arctic grove]

but what about previous characters

[copper fulcrum]

lol

[grand barn]

Irish is buuuuuussssstttttteeeedd right now

that APS needs nerf big time

[fallen pine]

Which barrel would be the best rn?

They need to nerf grenade spam before they nerf APS

lmao

[copper fulcrum]

Irish's APS helps against the Zain spam that happens in Infantry Breakthrough, thankfully

oh and Sundance grenade spam

[grand barn]

well they fucked that chance when they added zain to the game honestly

[arctic grove]

can I just say

[fallen pine]

APS needs a buff tbh

[arctic grove]

this little change of auto deploy meds and ammo bag

bugs me a little

[copper fulcrum]

Zain's good and bad, I mean he helps against those campers and the rats that run away when "Oh no, I took a bullet to my toe"

[chilly dove]

wait they're making meds auto deploy?

[fallen pine]

Plus Zain isn't completely countered by APS

[hexed mango]

havent said anything on that front

[arctic grove]

I would think modeling Irish APS with a limited amount of charges is a step in the right direction. Like, the amount of charges is the same as what’s on the APS model itself. Then again the model has like a ton of the APS things

[copper fulcrum]

Zain was a fun T1 but I go back to Sundance all the time

[fallen pine]

I've noticed that Zain's grenades will explode before my APS gets to them

[next onyx]

They should have the APS work based off what it deflects.

[chilly dove]

@hexed mango

[arctic grove]

I suppose portal guns are limited, no earning more?

[next onyx]

Two rockets, Or 10 medium projectiles or 15 small projectiles.

[arctic grove]

Yes?

[fallen pine]

Or

Simple fix

[copper fulcrum]

APS stands for Aye Paulie, Shoot

[fallen pine]

Don't let EMP grenades be targeted by the APS

[chilly dove]

oh wrong person sorry

[arctic grove]

All good

[fallen pine]

so you can use them to counter APS

Would be a buff to EMP nades aswell

[chilly dove]

i meant zainrunner

[copper fulcrum]

I think Aperture stopped making Portal Guns after the 7 year war

[arctic grove]

very funny

[fallen pine]

Also, not sure if Rao can hack APS turrets

[copper fulcrum]

Rao can do that

[hexed mango]

he can

[copper fulcrum]

Casper can also EMP them

[grand barn]

Honestly man, Zain just needs removed along with a lot of stuff in this game, but idk..... they need to get rid of the fact it has unlimited regen on the ammo for starters.

[copper fulcrum]

You can also just destroy the APS

Like 2-4 bullets depending on caliber and it's gone

[chilly dove]

@hexed mango do you know what that statement by Rolling Waves means pertaining to autodeploy meds?

[fallen pine]

APS gets hard to destroy if it's placed well though

[arctic grove]

That’s what I was thinking too

[copper fulcrum]

Would have to remake the model then

[fallen pine]

Casper can EMP them? is it like how the MAV could destroy spawn becons?

[hexed mango]

unsure

[copper fulcrum]

The EMP won't destroy it

[next onyx]

They released Zain like this so people would play him so they could gather data.

[fallen pine]

Lame

[copper fulcrum]

By the way you can also EMP the Insertion Beacons

[hexed mango]

@arctic grove could I get clarification on what you mean by auto deploy meds/ammo

[fallen pine]

did not know that

[arctic grove]

in the older games, when you press the key, you automatically deploy the bags without needing to press fire

[copper fulcrum]

You can also EMP doors and metal detectors to unlock them/turn them off

[chilly dove]

i've been taken out by zains thing a total of 2 times, but i don't frequent the places you'd expect to find a zain farming with his unique

[hexed mango]

there is a setting to change that

[arctic grove]

there isn't?

[copper fulcrum]

Oh yeah I once had a clip of me using Rao to send an Elevator to go up because someone was camping in it lol

[arctic grove]

I know there's one for grenade

but

[fallen pine]

tbh zain unique isnt even that broken

[arctic grove]

it's crap

[fallen pine]

just place your APS properly lol

[hexed mango]

i mean its just a lmb press...

[arctic grove]

you do realize the quick grenade button in the past were seamless

this one here isn't much

useless

[hexed mango]

works fine for me :)

hitting g auto deploys the nade as it should

[arctic grove]

I swear to God

[copper fulcrum]

It's a good game :)

[arctic grove]

the auto grenade still has the animation delay

[next onyx]

Nah the blast is larger than the deflection range which is super inconsistent.

[arctic grove]

annoys me

the older games didn't

[copper fulcrum]

Jack Daniels and a foot massager isn't helping the pain in my feet, fuck.

[hexed mango]

i mean the animation still has to play... that's how it works.

cant just spit a grenade out of my mouth

[copper fulcrum]

I wish I could

[arctic grove]

the older animations had millisecond delay

[hexed mango]

i mean i could if i wanted to

[arctic grove]

in this game, it's like full seconds

[fallen pine]

Plantar Fasciitis?

[hexed mango]

not sure if i see this delay on my end, animation plays as normal

[copper fulcrum]

What language did you just speak at me?

[fallen pine]

Or did you step on a landmine?>

[chilly dove]

zain isn't broken. it's just a more accurate grenade launcher. it still requires specific conditions to be met by opposition. any gun can do what it does in the open. as for flushing people out of cover, they need to be behind it, not shooting at you already lol

[wild marlin]

I know something that'll help 😋😋😛😛

[next onyx]

Oh dear and you don't have painkillers either.

[fallen pine]

It's irritation of a foot tendon you bowl of oats

[copper fulcrum]

I am as old as a bowl of oats

[arctic grove]

or maybe it's character specific

idfk

[chilly dove]

does zain's unique work against vehicles?

[hexed mango]

are you talking about specialist gadgets? i dont think those are applied by auto throw grenade

[copper fulcrum]

Not really

[arctic grove]

no not that

normal classes

[hexed mango]

only the LATV

[hexed mango]

so, portal?

[chilly dove]

weak lol

[arctic grove]

yes

[copper fulcrum]

I mean, it'll hurt someone who is in an LATV, Hovercraft, and Nightbird

but it's airburst

[hexed mango]

normal portal behavior

[chilly dove]

if i was running zain i'd want him to be able to take out a damn nightbird lol

[next onyx]

As long as the canopy is exposed the airburst will hit.

[copper fulcrum]

Then use Liz

[arctic grove]

new fix for portal asap

[hexed mango]

nah let it burn

we dont deserve it

[copper fulcrum]

It's a love letter the community doesn't deserve

[chilly dove]

i have no problem taking out nightbirds with specific gadgerts, i'm just sayin,g if i was running zain

[arctic grove]

I got this game just for that

[copper fulcrum]

Especially when certain members tweet out like they're Donald Trump while also asking for checks by DICE

[arctic grove]

I'm not letting my 20 bucks rotten

[next onyx]

They're not even giving it more maps.

Which they could use for Exodus.

[hexed mango]

eh

[copper fulcrum]

What maps do we want anyways?

[hexed mango]

portal failed, that's just how it is

[arctic grove]

anything

[hexed mango]

locker and metro

[eager spire]

all of the BF3 Close Quarters DLC maps

[arctic grove]

give me more nationality

guns

[eager spire]

Aftermath

[hexed mango]

well not locker

Firestorm

[arctic grove]

and some improvements

gib oman

[eager spire]

...that's about it really

Firestorm sucks don't add it

Seine Crossing

[chilly dove]

so zain does work against nightbirds then. cool

[hexed mango]

thats a funny way to spell Firestorm is amazing, add it

[arctic grove]

give back

those CQC maps

925

zaine tower

[hexed mango]

more aow content >>> more portal content

[arctic grove]

(zain)e tower

[copper fulcrum]

128 players in Ziba Tower would be fun

[hexed mango]

we as a community do not deserve portal for massacring it into xp farms and 128p Rush HC

[arctic grove]

portal > main game

[next onyx]

Seinne crossing, Grand Bazaar (bf3) Oasis and something else for Bad co 2. I'm not familiar with bad co 2 maps.

[copper fulcrum]

1 player for every square inch of the map

[hexed mango]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHKnTqrGOwQ
proof firestorm is best map

[arctic grove]

give back dragon valley

[copper fulcrum]

Gulf of Oman or Strike at Karkand PLEASE

[hexed mango]

how about

[arctic grove]

Will never like firestorm for the sacrifices I made to get the GOL magnum (still don’t have it btw) and that ONE A10 player that spawn fucked my team

[hexed mango]

more 2042 maps :)

more 2042 vehicles :)

more 2042 guns :)

[arctic grove]

fuck you

fuck 2042

HEY

[copper fulcrum]

I mean we can get a 2042 version of Strike at Karkand

[arctic grove]

no bad words

[next onyx]

2042 version of wake island would be interesting.

[hexed mango]

how about

no?

[copper fulcrum]

It's just no water

[arctic grove]

marine map>

bring back carrier assault

[hexed mango]

ok fine we get 0 maps how about that

[next onyx]

FINALLY THE PERFECT DRATINI.

[copper fulcrum]

Actually Wake Island 2042 is only water

[next onyx]

THREE FUCKING DAYS.

[hexed mango]

go away pokemon nerd

[arctic grove]

https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/10f9dpd/those_copy_pasted_match_startinghelicopters_be/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb

PUT

CARRIER

ASSAULT

IN

OR

TITAN MODE

[copper fulcrum]

Way the small version of your picture looks wrong

[next onyx]

That's just you taking it weirdly. xP

[hexed mango]

(the titan is ur mom)

[copper fulcrum]

Actually your picture just looks wrong, not just the small version

[next onyx]

User Titan was banned.

[chilly dove]

I originally thought orbital was gonna be a new wake island from promo material

[arctic grove]

then what does the ally have

https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/10fhpuc/the_recently_released_weapons_for_1942_portal/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x @hexed mango

if the enemies has the cube

what about friendly

the h2o

[next onyx]

Cube 1 and Cube 2.

[arctic grove]

HOT

Oh wait carrier assault inspired

[copper fulcrum]

https://youtu.be/4aGDCE6Nrz0

[arctic grove]

storming enemy base when

[next onyx]

OH Xm8. You into mechwarrior much?

[copper fulcrum]

What is a Mechwarrior

[next onyx]

A really old franchise starting back at 1989.

[chilly dove]

i gotta ask, ppl who play lis, you do sit in the hind and take out other air vehicles with it too right?

[next onyx]

If that's the case then don't worry.

[chilly dove]

cuz like, that's all i do with lis lol

[hexed mango]

hope

[arctic grove]

I stay far back of the sector and take hot shots

especially in rush

[hexed mango]

also i digged through the files and found 0 mention of the mtar idk where temp got it

[arctic grove]

strange

[hexed mango]

dug*

[next onyx]

He has his methods.

[copper fulcrum]

You're an MTAR

Okay I might need to get off

[next onyx]

Probably sitting in some unused bin.

Yeah I hope you get better soon Xm.

[copper fulcrum]

I'm just taking alcohol to ease foot-pain

[next onyx]

Do painkillers not work for you?

Agh not my business.

[chilly dove]

yeah that works too, but i love giving any air vehicle with open air passenger seats TV missile from BF3/4 capability lol

[vital gale]

imagine getting muted for four hours for post BF2042 screen shots on the cinematic shots section

[chilly dove]

the amount of jets i've sniped with lis from hind, so satisfying maaaaaaan

[arctic grove]

budget UCAV

[placid echo]

Even more fun when you're on 160ms of ping https://streamable.com/27tzzp

[hexed mango]

erh idk i found all the 1942 weapons (even the unreleased one) before they came out...

[chilly dove]

or when dat muh fuh vtol transport thinks it can escape me and i lis missile it from hind passenger seat

[next onyx]

He did say it was some old data too, Echo.

But no idea why he brought it up there.

[hexed mango]

it was present in every season data from s2-3.1

[next onyx]

Oh man I hope they really add the UMP45.

[chilly dove]

lookin good

I should send you my TOW missile aircraft snipes lol

NO WHERE IS SAFE

[hexed mango]

i havent found a great way to decode the files on my own yet, been using mainly frosty editor (unreleased dev build) to see game files

SMG_45 ingame refers to PBX, which is in the files, but only under 2042 data

[chilly dove]

dis one data mining right here, in the official channel lol... ok

[wild marlin]

let's talk about how laser designation rocks 😀

[next onyx]

We don't really have any rules against data mining.

And if there's a piece of unreleased content we just tell people to keep an open mind.

[wild marlin]

this new Crawford passive seems busted

in the trailer it showed the vehicles health leaping from 25% to 75%

[idle lion]

alcochol best painkiller and causer in the mornings lol

[arctic grove]

Playing some 1942 if anyone is game

[chilly dove]

and then my bug report gets marked as spam because of the glitchiness of that bug report feature.

[still vault]

yeah, nobody is going to complain about that 😄

[chilly dove]

the answers . ea website is slow... it must've thought i was spamming it. that was like 10 seconds from Submit button =_=

it just sits there without even so much as a loading symbol to tell you it's working on the post

[white geyser]

Grind, grind, grind, unlocking more guns attachment that will interest me or not, but you already unlocked all the attachments there's nothing left to grind until they give us more weapons to grind

[chilly dove]

in your down time, hit MeToo on this https://answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/Player-Pushed-out-of-Bushes-Automatically-When-Prone-and-a/m-p/12225117#M24125 and this https://answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/Ping-CommoRose-gets-stuck-there-if-mouse-moved-after-selection/m-p/12225084#M24124

infact everbody, chop chop

[white geyser]

Not interested that's your problem to deal with

[chilly dove]

Hey atleast the commo rose one might be used by you lol

like thanking someone who revives you

in b4 "i never thank anyone who revives me"

[upbeat sand]

Average xp in aow is 7-9k for me but then I touched 1942 mode

Dam 13k+

[upbeat sand]

People who Dont are monsters

[eager spire]

i generally like to thank people who revive me, or heal me, or give me ammo.

Unless i've had to shout at them like 5 times for them to drop ammo

then i'm not gonna thank them then

because at that point i'm just wasting my own time.

[upbeat sand]

I feel like 1 day people are going to start saying "they out too much detail in the small stuff"

Just to have something to complain about

You cant really force someone to stop

Ey you don't like the game understandable it's flawed

[umbral island]

I’m forcing you to stop

[upbeat sand]

I will use my Wii nunchuck

Ok what my mk vi revolver had both its own animation and the Rex one and it switches in between

When did they add that in between hours

[hexed mango]

the amount of videos i see on tiktok of people hacking on mw2 makes me glad i stopped playing

[hexed mango]

common portal behavior

[regal torrent]

Does anyone know how to get the “B gun’s dry” trophy? I’ve been struggling with Boris’s turret and I’m not sure if there’s a proper way to do it

[hexed mango]

2.5k damage delt with boris turret in one round defending objectives

basically place the turret on your teams objectives

[regal torrent]

Yeah but I meant if there’s any tips for it cause every time I drop the turret it gets destroyed within less than a second

[hexed mango]

it’s the hardest non-hz achievement

yeah boris isn’t good

hence why the mission is so hard

[regal torrent]

I think the vehicle T1 mastery might be the hardest one. I’ve yet to get that trophy but I’m really close to the platinum now

[hexed mango]

my suggestion would be to attempt it in BT, try getting some clever angles

[hexed mango]

idk i got the vehicle T1 months and months ago, i only got the boris one this last week

i’ve been playing since launch.

[regal torrent]

I tried it in breakout but it didn’t seem to work

[regal torrent]

What vehicle would you recommend me to use because I’m using the wildcat but I’m regretting it

[hexed mango]

again boris is just really shitty. you have to just either sit on it and repair it or find some cheeky angles to defend and shoot

[hexed mango]

i mean WC isn’t a bad choice, it’s a good vehicle, LATV might be easier tho seeing as it’s easier to spawn in. I did the F35 tho cause i’m like that, and then did the Ranger and Tuk Tuk. don’t ask why. other than that i have wildcat and latv

[regal torrent]

Interesting interesting thanks for the tips

[hexed mango]

you can also camp easily with the latv, and shoot at air vehicles with 50 or 30mm

@iron vigil :)

[upbeat sand]

Wish they would do something with hazardzone

Like you could get some special hazardzone exclusive skins every few weeks

[grizzled whale]

another reason im not going back to 2042

shit needed to be nerfed, not buffed

[chilly jacinth]

50mm is not good anymore

so 2 more shots doesn't do shit

[grizzled whale]

it still absolutely demolishes vehicles no?

[white geyser]

Hehehe although the 50mm increase its ammo, but I still haven't went back to use it

[chilly jacinth]

no

[grizzled whale]

Last time i played i would still get 4 shot in a wildcat

[white geyser]

I remain using the 30mm because I need to take down enemy aircrafts

[upbeat sand]

No not really

Pretty bad

[pseudo pecan]

any ideas on when the next sale will be

[pearl ridge]

Well the 880 still sucks

I landed two shots within ten metres and they still didn’t go down.

[solemn stratus]

I think it be a while? LAst month they had a sale (bought it then for 30 eur)

[pseudo pecan]

ah

[upbeat sand]

winter

australian winter

so summer for you westerners

[pearl ridge]

The fact you can drop a goddamn tank anywhere you want is fucking horseshit.

Why do you think vehicles only spawn on flags and home bases in literally every other game?

Aaand some piece of geometry has broken again and is now flashing all over the map

Holy shit fix your game.

[eager spire]

small indie developer btw

[pearl ridge]

This happens in like every fourth match.

At its worst it can outright blind you to anything beyond it.

The enemy, naturally, doesn’t seem to notice.

[eager spire]

very fun and cool

[frail sparrow]

How many games allow massive scale combat with armor vs infantry vs air tho

I do feel clutter in bf2042 isch terrible, comoared to bfv, where you could pretty much drice through anything or over stuff. In 2042 you get stopped by a light pole and sometimes not. There's no consistency what's breakable

[silk surge]

M16

[arctic grove]

died, clip coolness discarded

[silk surge]

I got revived right after 🤕

[arctic grove]

matter it does not

[silk surge]

Well screw you Yoda

[pearl ridge]

Why are full vehicles even highlighted on the map

[spark leaf]

Avancys or LCMG?

[upbeat sand]

sure

[spark leaf]

Yes

I mean which is better 😄

[limpid kindle]

how tf do you locate an already installed game on the EA launcher app

[upbeat sand]

yes

[spark leaf]

So helpful thank you ❤️

[upbeat sand]

good

[hollow iris]

LCMG, It looks cooler

[ancient peak]

Less chonky

[strong spoke]

can i set up an offline match with bots

[spark leaf]

Breakthrough coop with bots is great to unlock attachments

I just got 300 kills in a game

[strong spoke]

but, can i play an offline match with bots

[umbral island]

No

You need internet connection even playing with bots

[strong spoke]

ok then can i make a private match with bots

like a regular match but only bots

[umbral island]

Yes

[fast pulsar]

Did they changed the damaged of the SWS-10?

[umbral island]

Yes, 2 updates ago

It’s no longer body 1-shot-kill

Only headshot

[fast pulsar]

Yeah I see, but now i need 3-body shots to kill someone

Standard ammo

[umbral island]

That shouldn’t be happening

You sure you aren’t using a supressor that reduces damage by alot?

[fast pulsar]

yeah normal loadout, long range and midrange

okay maybe its just me or the enemy was healing

[umbral island]

Probably healing

[solemn stratus]

weird, never experienced that

[fossil trench]

Next season was just leaked it looks like

Season 4: Eleventh Hour

[last swift]

Isn´t it the name of the final co-op mission in BF3?

[solemn stratus]

Also the name of a Doctor who episode but it probably won't be related to that

[upbeat sand]

Tempoyal?

[fossil trench]

Yep

[upbeat sand]

Aright I see it on twitter now

[arctic grove]

can we all agree that the airburst rifle is broken?

i love playing rush with 128 players but i just cant push/defend

they always spam behind cover

so stupid

atleast in bf4 you had to hit a surface

[iron vigil]

@hexed mango

[wide shore]

Kinda defeats the purpose of airburst

[slender hare]

wait a sec is it just me or the recoil is broken?

[arctic grove]

kinda defeats the purpose of fun in general

[spark leaf]

Could someone please explain what "weapon accuracy" means in the game? Im confused as to why its always opposite to recoil. Can you then handle the gun better but the bullets dont go where you're aiming or whats up?

[arctic grove]

the spread

[clever marlin]

It’s similar to an aimcone

[solid imp]

The warhawk vs tactical compensator are perfect examples to show exactly what changes. Warhawk is +Recoil / -Accuracy and Tactical is +Accuracy / -Recoil. The stats are what you would expect from those descriptions:

[limpid pond]

Well I think my cars transmission just blew lmao

[solid imp]

big ouch

[limpid pond]

Yeah it doesn't wanna shift into park and it only reverses

[solid imp]

sounds like neutral + parking brake are your friend today 🙂

[low timber]

So someone else had a terribly day as well

[limpid pond]

Yeah the issue is that that it sounds terrible. Sounds like something scraping but nothing is hanging

[limpid pond]

Yeah had to miss work

[low timber]

I had less than 3 hours of sleep last night, woke up to extreme pain and had to be taken to hospital.

[limpid pond]

Doesn't sound fun.

[low timber]

Nope

[covert vortex]

I'm a little sad how little assists count for.

[limpid pond]

Pretty sure I'm gonna have to buy a new cat

[low timber]

[covert vortex]

28 assists, 42 kills, 2nd place. That's 70 total.

[clever marlin]

did you forget casper exists?

[covert vortex]

I don't play Casper.

[clever marlin]

i got to mastery 5 in one match of chaos breakthrough

which i believe is 500 spots

[solid imp]

no longer with a Rorsch? Since when??

[low timber]

Some time after I T1’d it

[sweet bone]

Any1 wanna suggest a good loadout for any weapon? :p

[solid imp]

hmm... doesn't look right

[covert vortex]

I sometimes feel no matter what I do nothing I do matters.

[upbeat sand]

I feel like Danny is just online 24/7 waiting for new battlefield stuff

[covert vortex]

I was the only one defending B2 that entire game pretty much.

[clever marlin]

subsonics and wrapped supressor M5

tbh, subsonics with silencers is kinda OP

[sweet bone]

Sounds like it shoots marshmellows no?

[clever marlin]

i mean yeah you lose velocity but you basically are quieter than the other soldiers

[sweet bone]

I normally use cqb ammo on the m5 but ill give that a try

[solid imp]

nope totally fair and balanced, it's fine 🙂
don't you dare call out one of my favorite loadouts on lots of guns

[covert vortex]

And for my reward, 6/64 in Exodus Conquest for the rest of the morning.

[clever marlin]

lmao, i literally T1ed my M5 doing this

also on a side note

if we can tier 2.5 all the weapons, when cant we master then in those matches?

its kinda dumb

(in bot matches)

[sweet bone]

Well if we could get everything in bot matches it would kinda kill actual matches right

[covert vortex]

Also I wanna ask, if I spot something with my normal ping then shoot them as Paik does that still count as Paik's passive spotting for her mastery?

[solid imp]

The game won't stop you from playing 1P modes to get all attachments so you can enjoy the game entirely without ever touching MP. But MP is where you get the T1 bragging rights

[clever marlin]

not really

[covert vortex]

I just use the crossbow.

[clever marlin]

its a good way of practising how vehicles work

and getting attachments for guns is not a terrible idea

besides its just skins and attachments

[sweet bone]

No matter how good of an aim I have the hitreg just kills the mood

[solid imp]

Depends whether you consider T1 as a reward or something that should just be "another skin" that happens to be red and black. You don't get any awards for being the fastest sprinter in practices, gotta go compete

[clever marlin]

i guess when you put it that way thats fair

[spark leaf]

I have no idea about what’s better. Would more accuracy make the pattern more consistent and easier to control the recoil then?

[clever marlin]

recoil is something you can easily control since thats something you can do to pull the mouse or joystick down with

accuracy is something you cant change in game, its only something effected by the attachments

if that makes any sense

[sweet bone]

Subsonic and wrapped doesnt make it sound any quieter on my end hm

[upbeat sand]

Oh trust me

[solid imp]

well and it's specifically whether you want to control HRec or VRec more... like if you look at the numbers in game both the Arcom and the Champion look like they give +2 Accuracy but you need to see those descriptions to decide which to use... one controls HRec the other controls VRec so that +2 won't feel at all the same between the two compensators

[upbeat sand]

They have no idea where you are

Until someone clicks q on you

[solid imp]

Agreed though accuracy is largely managed by compensators and recoil by grips.. with those couple compensators as exceptions which kinda impact both

[solid imp]

some things will always look epic

[sweet bone]

Seems to me as the p90 is a bit strong

[coral echo]

I wish there was a Sraw or laser guided rocket in 2042, its much more difficult to engage powerful land and air vehicles even with Lizz's TV missile since its super slow and harder to guide to an air target at range.

[clever marlin]

soflam

[coral echo]

True

I don't see many people use that ingames sadly

[solid imp]

JAV is coming for engineers... at least in previous BF it was able to be used in both a laser-guided top down mode or direct fire self-locking. Hopefully the same

[hexed mango]

i believed it will be used for both

[arctic grove]

Is the ttk of a ac-42 with a heavy suppressor bad?

Or and performance issues with the gun as soon as u put on a heavy suppressor?

[next onyx]

The javelin is fire and forget here.

[coral echo]

Grinding COOP has given me even more of a certifiable skill issue smh

[granite island]

Wait they have motars in portal?

Why won't they add motars to aow

Would be cool

And actually helpful

[chilly jacinth]

no

and definitely useless in aow

[sweet bone]

Caspers drone is ez xp

[upbeat sand]

Useless

[solemn stratus]

was so much in spearhead breakthrough 128

[upbeat sand]

Bf4 mortars

Useless

[granite island]

Breakthrough maybe

[upbeat sand]

Bf1 mortars

Only good on small maps

[spiral folio]

Or tall maps

Like Italy

They also help you put smoke further than you can throw it

[hexed mango]

they have a mortar strike, a bc2 recon call in

[granite island]

Yeah like that

Would be nice if it was in breakthrough

[hexed mango]

it’s not a mortar

[spiral folio]

Just make lis rockets have larger blast radius

Instant better mortar

[hexed mango]

it’s a piercing rocket

[spiral folio]

Make a frag version

[hexed mango]

not supposed to have large traps

radius

phone being dumb

[spiral folio]

Flak-lis's

[hexed mango]

just use zain and be happy with life

(i am morbidly depressed)

[spiral folio]

Also
It's not like you can stand next to a stinger warhead when it detonates the shaped charge

Zain. 100m range.

[granite island]

I tried the 1942 portal mode

[hexed mango]

100 all you need

[spiral folio]

Til somebodys on the 70th floor

[granite island]

And why are the vehicles so sluggish

Feels like I'm turning a jumbo jet instead of a fighter jet

[hexed mango]

70 seems strikingly in my balls range

[spiral folio]

You might be able to hit the guy at the 10th floor secret arbys

[hexed mango]

do they have the meats

[spiral folio]

We were talking about arbys yesterday.
Mod came in
"Uhhhh we mean the arbys ingame"

[hexed mango]

yea

vouch

[spiral folio]

Mod "... there isn't"
"10th floor on kaleidoscope"

[hexed mango]

yep

i worked there

can confirm

[spiral folio]

Itd have to be cause if you look around... where is there to eat?

[hexed mango]

me

[spiral folio]

I mean airburst lis rockets would be wildly op but a fun idea

Dont bother aiming just get near

[wide shore]

That shit would be worse than the UCAV

[spiral folio]

My favorite combined specialists so far are mike the lis+angel combo for express ammo delivery

Or boris+lis where you can launch mini turrets around

Or like Lis-Irish and the missile blocks missiles

[weary slate]

i play bf2042 over gamepass via xbox pc, and i want ask when my gamepass end how i can continue in my progress on bf2042?

[chilly jacinth]

log into the same origin account

[snow sandal]

So glad DICE has gone into detail about the issues of the Specialists system, in particular with the meta loadouts being consistently used across all Specialists.

I called this before release and have complained about it during release, but was met with multiple people telling me I was wrong

[spiral folio]

Where are the class-shills to say
"BF hAs aLwAyS HaD cLaSSeS" like it makes it better

[chilly jacinth]

what's wrong with using the same loadout?

[spiral folio]

Once the class nerf hits you cant

[chilly jacinth]

duh

[spiral folio]

You can make it similar but it wont be as effective

[chilly jacinth]

im gonna miss my ammo box on every class

[spiral folio]

Yep

Hotkey the ask for ammo button

[chilly jacinth]

as if anyone even pays attention to that

[spiral folio]

Get like a metal key cap for it so you dont wear it out

It'll sure slow the pace of the game down when nobody has ammo

[upbeat sand]

There Can Only Be One

[chilly jacinth]

nah new meta will be to just switch mags with the + menu

[spiral folio]

Two APS missiles meet and anti-eachother

You only get sooo many

So less for the shitty ntw

With its like what 3 mags of 4 and 3

OOooOoo

[dusk forum]

I’m gonna miss falck with rocket launcher

[wide shore]

Me too.

[spiral folio]

I plan on....
Lis sniping and asking for ammo nonstop

Like if i cant get ammo to snipe the rail I'll wait for a rocket

Bet you see a lot more zains too

Same reason

Cause people wont have ammo

[arctic grove]

how do you know a SOLFLAM (ik not spelt right) is locked onto you?

is there ANY indicator?

[next onyx]

Yeah.

White lock on.

[willow sky]

a smart meta

[arctic grove]

weird i dont get that, and i still get missiles that lock onto me

[next onyx]

There is the chance that you are being locked on simultaneously.

[willow sky]

rip engineers being the only projectile launchers in the game

sucks for u mackay falck mains!!!! 😔

[arctic grove]

i love my ERAM vic so much i feel tho in my opinion it needs a armor buff

[willow sky]

i underestimated the ERAM, its a really good vehicle

[upbeat sand]

That would only be good if you empty reloaded a drum/high power mag and you need extra bullets quickly

[willow sky]

id like to see a lot more irish players after the class update

[gritty stratus]

Glad my “seek and destory” paik+c5+smoke will still be a thing at least

[arctic grove]

it is a good vic, good for hit and runs and help killing other vics but i kinda use it as a tank some times and it gets me killed xD

[willow sky]

yeah that one fatal mistake thinking its a tank, always forgetting mid fight lol

[arctic grove]

ikr

like its good anti infantry but soon as a tank or APC like the wildcat comes at you, yuo better run

[next onyx]

As a former Mackay main I'm glad he's being adjusted.

[spiral folio]

Snipers are hosed i mean
As usual

Most frontline attrition players will be fine

[next onyx]

He's too good.

But ironically.

Assault getting 3 extra mags.

[spiral folio]

Its mostly like people who shoot over 100m that'll suffer the ammo problem

[upbeat sand]

Makay is too fast anyway

[next onyx]

I LOVE IT.

[upbeat sand]

And with makay being slower and everyone else being faster I'd like to say how makay gets shaken up in the meta

[willow sky]

assaults with more mags is super good too

[spiral folio]

Except for like former m1917 users that set up a campfire and an ammo box and just spam shots

[arctic grove]

im so glad snipers are getting the short end of the stick, its been a issue ever since bf3

[spiral folio]

Snipers aaaalllllwaaaays get the short end

Like if you wanna snipe in a bf game. Get it the first year

[arctic grove]

yep

[spiral folio]

Otherwise itll just be bad. Every time

Bf1 ruined snipers least cause there was always no ammo

[upbeat sand]

I hated sweet spots

[spiral folio]

Like glare changes or crap eh whatever

Yea

Sweet spots is a bad mechanic with no logic

Bf1s trajectory/velocity was ok

[willow sky]

does that make his passive trait still useful even after the changes?

[spiral folio]

No smoke trails

[upbeat sand]

I still feel like snipers in my own world should be a 3 shot like dmr damage on the body shot but then it's headshot multiplier becomes high enough to be a 1 shot

[next onyx]

His passive will still be good.

[upbeat sand]

We have to see

Makay will still be faster

[willow sky]

Was nervous for a sec

[next onyx]

The different being he'll feel less uh.

[upbeat sand]

Just not as fast

And everyone else is getting a ads speed boost

[next onyx]

You'll feel less disadvantaged playing as a regular soldier.

Really that's the whole reason for the nerf.

He's the best assault in the game still.

[upbeat sand]

Yeah makay is too fast

I'm playing battlefield, I'm not fighting the scout from tf2

[ripe hedge]

(new blog post btw)

[spiral folio]

Is it renouncing the class change?

[sharp marten]

Well technically there has always been classes

[spiral folio]

Bf also "always had no weapon customization"

[next onyx]

It's the very last announcement before the patch notes.

Classes are good since the class can be specifically balanced for the sake of consistency and to keep things from becoming too powerful.

Assault with ars and at was potent yes but medic was a cqc assault as well.

[sharp marten]

Not true

[upbeat sand]

Smooth

[next onyx]

Support does better with battle rifles or highly accurate mgs.

[spiral folio]

There was a "swear jar" at the manufacturing engineering department at a place i worked at where if you said "it's always been done this way" you had to put a dollar in

[upbeat sand]

https://www.ea.com/en-au/games/battlefield/battlefield-2042/news/dev-notes-classes-in-battlefield-2042

[spiral folio]

Nice try haxer

But im keepin my gp

[upbeat sand]

Yes the class system is a lie to get your ip

[sharp marten]

Alex gun no shooty with no ammo need tech support pls

[next onyx]

What's that clicking sound?

OH NO AMMO.

[spiral folio]

"How did this happen drill sarnt"
"... YoU FiReD them ALL PriVaTe!"

[upbeat sand]

The latest changes were received positively from the group, but they also told us some aspects were still lacking:
Readability of encounters - Ensuring that you’re able to recognize the Class and potential loadout scenarios that they may be carrying
Improve the sense of role - The changes were a great foundation to reintroduce Class gameplay to Battlefield 2042, however weapons needed to be included into this in some way.

They are aware of the specialist being all over

[spiral folio]

Whos this group

I have 5 fingers for em

[upbeat sand]

As our team began implementing these changes, we invited a group of players from a variety of backgrounds, disciplines and platforms across Battlefield to partake in feedback sessions. This allowed for continuous and open dialogue and ensured that there was a constant flow of information around a substantial change coming to Battlefield 2042.

Just go read it yourself

[spiral folio]

Did you have to test below 20 on the asvab to get into it?

Specialists arent over by this change its worsened

Now you're shoe horned into a specific few instead of picking one that works for you

[upbeat sand]

A small portal weapons image on the blog shows the Aug

Fully modeled

[ripe hedge]

How so? You can still pick the one that works for you, AND the weapons you like, you just have to adapt around not having all the gadgets

[spiral folio]

Ammo box on sniper

I csnt play lis with an ammo box either

[upbeat sand]

Your a selfish camper who resupply thy self

[next onyx]

I ran ammo box to compensate for my own lack of ammo.

[spiral folio]

So like I said it screws over 100m+

[next onyx]

I won't have to worry about that much.

Plus there's also the part where other weapons will be affected.

[arctic grove]

Guys guys guys

I'm tier 56 rn

[next onyx]

Ayo.

[arctic grove]

Do I have time to 100% the bp before season ends

[spiral folio]

Yea like even if you run 3 ammo types and 1 extended mag for maz capacity youll be out fast

The rail eats ammo like crazy too but luckily they ruined the vehicle damage so you wont need to bother doing that

[next onyx]

Yeah.

[arctic grove]

When is it ending

[next onyx]

You should be find nikel.

In 6 weeks.

[arctic grove]

Alright sounds good

[next onyx]

Which is 350 tokens.

[arctic grove]

Thanks

[next onyx]

Tier 91.

You'll get to tier 91 through tokens.

[spiral folio]

The NTW made .. somehow even worse

[next onyx]

You should.

Wait that's 7 weeks. Fuck it all.

[spiral folio]

Ntw has what like..does it even have 30 total rounds now?

Cause thats a close range gun

Maybe add a stub barrel for it to ADS faster

The dxr will i think have the max capacity for a non-rail sniper

[upbeat sand]

I wouldn't think that would be that weapon accurate since a gun like that will definitely have it's barrel blown up if it was shorter

[next onyx]

Railgun has the largest capacity out of all the snipers.

[upbeat sand]

But I don't know that much bout weapons

[next onyx]

The lower velocity would indeed decrease its accuracy artificially since the bullet has more time to travel through the air.

[spiral folio]

Why i said nonrail

Well you wont need it cause CLEARLY the NTW is a close range gun since youll need to be near the front constantly to get ammo

So lop off 2 feet of that barrel.

Youve got 30 whole bullets

Maybe less

12 of hv and 15 regs so yea not even

How far your commute gonna be when you use that

And are you going to waste 10% of your ammo shooting a turret or ranger?
Tanks/rams/jawas are off limits. You'll need a lot more to scratch those

Damage to light vehicles is still a joke

[knotty charm]

When Will they fix there shitty ass mm where u join a round and its over or its just ending

[spiral folio]

Yeaa... imo games past like what 90% over even shouldn't match you into

Fill it with bots if people leave

[knotty charm]

Yea there just putting bandaids on a skull fracture … like wth

[spiral folio]

My favorite is like the game is in the "countdown music" and you can barely get a shot off

[knotty charm]

Its like devs dont even know the game … atleast play it and see whats wrong forr urselfs it takes 20 mind tops

[spiral folio]

It's tradition now so IT CANT BE CHANGED

we must love and adore it

Even if its horrible and a bad idea

Bf has always had joining battles near the end. Thus it is good.

By the logic of class shilling its what defines the game even

[plain needle]

Imagine a perfect world where this game got persistent servers and a server browser? I wouldn’t stop playing

[spiral folio]

A perfect world where youre always on the same horrible team

Wait

If MM worked

I mean

Like I wouldn't mind staying on a server if it's going well. But like an opt-out button to look for another server

But like my main beef with the whole MM thing is its glitchy

If it worked
Hey not always on a bad team, not always the same jerks on my team maybe I'll even see an ammo box
But
Instead
MATCHMAKING FAILED
[excessively long error code]

[sharp marten]

Do you actually think the devs don’t play the game 🗿

[hearty flame]

it feels like it at times

i mean look at launch

[knotty charm]

Well i dont believe so of they played it they would have discovered the problems and Maybe did something About then instead of Giving B’s weps forr ww2

[spiral folio]

When they dont see how snipers wont have ammo it makes me

[dusk forum]

Just

[spiral folio]

I think they try things out and their focus group were picked not random

[analog fractal]

DEV NOTES - RETURN TO THE CLASS SYSTEM
But people here told me BF2042 already had "classes"

[dusk forum]

Class classes because peolle like to complain

Like, restricted gadgets and such

[spiral folio]

Yep

[solid imp]

I think we're maybe glossing over history a bit too much? They released thousands of fixes in the updates after launch. It could be that matchmaking error is a code regression.

[spiral folio]

More rules. Enjoy

[analog fractal]

Yes thanks

Rules aren't inherently limiting

[dusk forum]

I’m gonna miss being support with an RPG

[spiral folio]

Rules are literally by definition limits

[dusk forum]

Crawford is about to become main for anti tank tbh

[analog fractal]

If anything, having a MP games with little balancing or rules doesn't make for a good time

[elfin void]

So classist

[dusk forum]

Boris sucks and Lis can’t run launchers

[elfin void]

Why exactly

[spiral folio]

Lis has best launcher

[analog fractal]

Classes of old BF games brought something unique and a rock-scissors-paper element to combat, gives players a more concrete purpose with each class IMO

[spiral folio]

Literally didnt

[dusk forum]

It’s more of an AA weapon that also can damage land vehicles

I’d still want a recoilless then a TGM when I’m fighting a tank

[spiral folio]

Classes in previous games purely only dictated what weapon you started with.
-picks up a different one-

[analog fractal]

You don't have to agree, but it's what me and many others thought - - DICE too apparently

[elfin void]

EMP nade + C5 >

[solid imp]

TGM + AT Mines

[spiral folio]

Dice also thinks it takes 2 shots with a 20mm to take out some joe on foot

[willow sky]

the optimal choice

[analog fractal]

I mean, BF is not real life? If all guns were balanced like real life, you'd die in 1 or 2 shots lol

[spiral folio]

Lis rocket you can launch
Plunge into the ground
It becomes a landmine now

[ancient peak]

If they fully agreed with you they’d have forced weapon locking behind classes. They didn’t.

[spiral folio]

So it should take 2 tank shots to kill too

Its just a game

[solid imp]

on that same list, Boris turret converts into a mortar and the TGM can remote detonate

[hearty flame]

im sure dice is adding classes because its a big complaint rather than something that they want

[dusk forum]

Oh they put someting out yesterday for the class system

[analog fractal]

I litterally kill people with one tank shell, but OK

[spiral folio]

No its just a game

[analog fractal]

Just has to be more direct

[spiral folio]

It should take more

[elfin void]

Is his turret actually becoming a mortar?

[solid imp]

I wish 😦

I hope

[elfin void]

Oh haha

[analog fractal]

I don't even get what you're arguing about, you don't either probably

[solid imp]

Would be a relatively simple way to make Boris relevant

[elfin void]

They're adding claymores which I absolutely despise

Such a cheap tool

[spiral folio]

No because "its just a game" isnt an argument its the opposite. I was demonstrating how stupid that is

A 20mm cannon is literally a tanks cannon

[dusk forum]

So the new assualt profiency is 3 more mags

[analog fractal]

Whar are you even talking about

[dusk forum]

Enginner is getting improved LMG dispersion

Support is getting faster SMG draw time

[elfin void]

Hope that includes extended mags.

[dusk forum]

And recon is getting steady snipers

[willow sky]

is that whole thing confirmed tho?

[dusk forum]

Yes

[spiral folio]

A 20mm round is so big you could probably kill somebody just smacking em with it

[analog fractal]

I'm not even saying 20mm not killing in one shot is bad, but the argument that's it does irl or whatever doesn't matter

[dusk forum]

This is a blog that game out yesterday

[spiral folio]

And saying it shouldnt because its a game is worse

[analog fractal]

It's about balancing the game

[elfin void]

But not many people will even benefit from the extra mags since they'll die before running out of the old ammo count

[spiral folio]

They just never should have a gun that big if it wont do damage