battlefield-2042

[drowsy shuttle]

God i love the ghostmaker so much

[royal swan]

A major hot fix, we got rid of that recoil bug that was majorly effecting the game since launch

[hexed mango]

gonna try using it

[copper fulcrum]

I like that when someone requests a revive there's a massive circle outline that shows on the screen

[arctic grove]

YAAAAY

[hexed mango]

i have it at T2 but T2 is like not even half way to T1 its sad

i feel like ive been playing sundance forever but im only mastery 28 with her

[stoic ferry]

soon T1 season 3

[arctic grove]

Damn

[royal swan]

There are some recoil bugs left but the big one that enders bitches about is finally gone

[drowsy shuttle]

Just did a 41-13 and im currently 14-3 on manifest... ghost + zain

[stoic ferry]

https://battlefieldtracker.com/bf2042/profile/origin/Tombstone_YAMATO/vehicles this dude

[hexed mango]

i think there might be a glitch on the tracker, cause ive never really played sundance this much before S3, yet the tracker says she's my most played

[stoic ferry]

actually wtf.

[hexed mango]

anyone wanna see my shitty stats

[drowsy shuttle]

Nah im good.

[arctic grove]

Honestly as excited I am for classes idk if it’ll fix the team play much since ppl tend to play roles for certain things

[hexed mango]

thanks

[arctic grove]

Especially in older Bf game

[stoic ferry]

he is one of the best pilots i have seen in this game

[hexed mango]

getting close to 5 Mil damage delt...

[stoic ferry]

mr yamato has 43million :/

[hexed mango]

vehicle players

[lavish patrol]

The airburst in infantry breakthrough is amazeballs

[arctic grove]

I’m still arguing wit myself if I wanna be recon or engineer

[hexed mango]

inf bt is shit tho. wish we got seasons bt

[lavish patrol]

Boots on the ground for life

[hexed mango]

well new spec is recon

[stoic ferry]

ye agree. season bt is better

[royal swan]

specialists are still in the game, it's just the locked equipment and certain weapons having better skills when used by the correct class

[hexed mango]

yeah but its pretty one sided on maps other than spearhead

[arctic grove]

Yea I’m hoping there a good recon

[hexed mango]

defense wins like 90% of the time

[arctic grove]

Cuz rn none of the recons are that interesting to me

[hexed mango]

Rao

Paik

[arctic grove]

Well maybe Rao

Rao is pog

[lavish patrol]

Then I feel proud on winning as attacker this round

[hexed mango]

two of the best characters in the game

BT chads

[royal swan]

Great map tho

[royal swan]

Yooo

[arctic grove]

I don’t like paik that much if I wanna be aggressive I would play assault

[royal swan]

[hexed mango]

wallhacks kinda funi tho ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[arctic grove]

Eh

She’s a one trick wonder

[hexed mango]

for some reason TRN says i have 91h of playtime as sundance.

i have never for any reason mained sundance

[lavish patrol]

Rao's Firewall skin

[hexed mango]

Mackay, Zain and Rao are my go-to

[royal swan]

It's blips now which aren't scary anymore

[hexed mango]

and they have 78, 42, and 62 respectively

[arctic grove]

Point is I can’t wait for new rec specialist cuz maybe it’ll make me go to recon

[stoic ferry]

check what the game sais

[hexed mango]

lol i love that zain, in one season, has more than half of my entire playtime as either mackay or rao

[arctic grove]

Btw is it hard to track with snipers

I never tried it

[hexed mango]

ingame doesnt show per specialist playtime

[royal swan]

Adding mortars in this game will be fine seeing how many counters it will have

[hexed mango]

irish is the only counter

[royal swan]

From Irish to lis, to the classic other mortars

[hexed mango]

for the projectiles*

[lavish patrol]

Oh shit, I T1'd the M5A3!

[arctic grove]

Recon with mortar

[royal swan]

Irish hard counters the fuck out of mortars and any explosives

[arctic grove]

Congrats

[hexed mango]

i'd rather not have mortars just cause zain airburst is funi enough

[royal swan]

Zain is a yawn

[hexed mango]

and promoting camping = no bueno

[arctic grove]

What’s a good recon gadjet idea

[drowsy shuttle]

Quoting Nike: "just do it"

[royal swan]

Ucav

[hexed mango]

import uav from portal

[arctic grove]

A UAV

PERFECT

but Casper alr does that

[royal swan]

No a UCAV

With a C

[hexed mango]

it doesnt shoot

[arctic grove]

UCAV?

Fuck that sounds familiar

[royal swan]

From bf4

[arctic grove]

Yea yea Ik

I can’t rember what it does

[hexed mango]

paper plane type shit

[royal swan]

Paper plane that booms

Big boom

[hexed mango]

Unmanned combat aerial vehicle

its what i expect the SU70 to be

[arctic grove]

Soooooo it’s a dart from cod

[royal swan]

The one thing people will consider worse than mortars

[hexed mango]

[arctic grove]

Look man I never used the damn thing in4

So IDEK

[hot rain]

Did something happen to battlefield

[hexed mango]

smh

[royal swan]

The man is too innocent

[hot rain]

I can't get in a server

[arctic grove]

Just restart app

[hexed mango]

@drowsy shuttle what other attachments on ghostmaker

[arctic grove]

So are UCAV’s typically for recons?

Cuz it sounds like anti air

[royal swan]

Ucav is a slow TV missile that has the explosive capabilities to destroy helis or a group of people in one go

[arctic grove]

And tha sounds like something for engineers

[royal swan]

Also Long range

[arctic grove]

Sounds engineery

No offense

[stoic ferry]

my TRN is not tracking anymore

[arctic grove]

SUAV?

[hexed mango]

it doesnt update in real time

but makesure share usage data is enabled in settings

[stoic ferry]

it should be on. it stoped tracking when i was s190

im 197 now

[hexed mango]

yeah no that's just trn stats being bugged.

trn says im S167, but im S187

[stoic ferry]

ill check later then 😄

[hexed mango]

it wont update

itll always be somewhat lagged

[stoic ferry]

it dont matter but there is no battlelog anymore

miss that

and commander.

[hot rain]

How tf i lag out an solo server

[hexed mango]

cause its not singleplayer

[balmy ibex]

I love the movement in this game

[hexed mango]

would be cool if vaulting was a little nicer

but the sliding is amazing

[balmy ibex]

yeah vault is kinda chunky but just in general is what i mean

[drowsy shuttle]

Fusion holo, mgl laser (or lwg grip if you wanna be more stealth)

[balmy ibex]

i really love how everyone cried about voip and no one uses it lol

[drowsy shuttle]

For long range with the explosive bolts i use the maul hybrid sigh

But 90% of the time is fusion holo sight

With the standard bolts

[balmy ibex]

Anyone else happy that infantry only modes came back lol

[hexed mango]

not for bt

[drowsy shuttle]

Not really... its same layout of regular... so kinda sucks.. specially on discarded

[hexed mango]

infantry bt is shit

cause defense is usually heavily favored
renewal was fun, it felt well balanced and actually playable as attack

but the grass area is annoying

[balmy ibex]

yeah i agree the maps need to be decreased but rome wasnt built over night or in a year lol

[hexed mango]

dice isnt trying to build rome here

[balmy ibex]

clearly lol

[hexed mango]

they just suck at map balancing

[hearty flame]

dice is a AAA studio, this shouldnt be hard

[hexed mango]

^

[upbeat sand]

Bt map layouts have more incentive in using vehicles as transport

Infantry bt is a lot of running

And defence suffers

[balmy ibex]

i agree really need to decrease the maps a little

[drowsy shuttle]

Is it?

[hexed mango]

not rn

its an indie dev studio

[upbeat sand]

Final point BT breakaway

Oh boy

When you don't have any cars then your stuck running

[hearty flame]

its hard to believe but they are

[hexed mango]

nah

they indie fr

[upbeat sand]

Yeah that's what they said about infinity ward during ghosts-advanced era

[hearty flame]

launch 2042 might as well have come from an indie dev

[hexed mango]

ok but was ea in the equation then

[balmy ibex]

the new cods movement just aint it lol

[hexed mango]

dice isnt respawn

[upbeat sand]

Yeah dice didn't have the freedom if respawn

They where sadly stuck in a deadline

[hexed mango]

respawn is so cool

[hearty flame]

lol how would yall know if dice has as much freedom as respawn

[rocky kraken]

spent half of the dev time updating frostbite

[hexed mango]

i'd love to work on star wars @ respawn

[upbeat sand]

Starwars Jedi is the best thing they made recently

But no titanfall 3

They shutdown titanfall 1

[hexed mango]

jedi fallen order ❤️
hoping jedi survivor is goated

[balmy ibex]

they coudlve done better with base camos too imo

[upbeat sand]

And apex is just skins

[hexed mango]

they are also working on a "Star Wars FPS" that is untitled as of rn

they have internships for that rn

https://www.respawn.com/careers/mission-design-intern-star-wars-fps

[upbeat sand]

Yes I shall spend over $300 to have a chance to get a melee

[upbeat sand]

Respawn just seems to be replacing dice with the starwars content

[arctic grove]

CSGO moment

[hexed mango]

they worked together on swbf2 right?

nvm that was criterion

criterion, motive, and dice

[upbeat sand]

JOIN CSGO LOTTERY. STEAM FOR THE CHANCE TI GET FREE SKINS

TRADE WITH IUR SAFE GARUENTEED BOTS

[hexed mango]

i mean seeing that dice moved to mainly BF, yeah i'd say respawn is more fit for star wars stuff

and they seem to be doing good with jfo

[upbeat sand]

Isn't criterion making the vehicles in 2042? Or something like that I remember

[hexed mango]

We are only considering students who will be enrolled in a Bachelor's or Master's program in the summer of 2023 and are slated to graduate in Fall of 2023 or Spring of 2024.
god fucking damn it

[arctic grove]

Respawn generally does well

[hexed mango]

they left before launch for nfs

[dire quest]

Battlefield 1942 breakthrough code in #908101543646089236

[hexed mango]

channel misuse smh

[upbeat sand]

1943 and rush is very good when mixed

They just fit somehow

[dire quest]

1942 and breakthrough is pure chaos

[hexed mango]

we should get the BF1942 jetpacks in portal

[upbeat sand]

I don't understand the stats on weapons

[chilly dove]

anyone else have an issue where if you use the quick chat menu, the game gets half stuck option selecting

[upbeat sand]

Like why does the revolver say 60 damage

[hexed mango]

it doesnt

it says 60 firepower

there is a difference

[chilly dove]

ever since most recent update

[upbeat sand]

I say every game in battlefield from now on must have gunter

It's mandatory

[hexed mango]

[chilly dove]

seems to be a bug related to bringing up the commo rose and hovering mouse over an option

it's like it spends time selecting the option twice

yep i can 100% replicate this now. if you don't let the mouse return to centre of the screen after using the commo rose, the game will not let you leave the commo-rose menu lol

nice one dice

[upbeat sand]

Same thing happened with steam overlay but it's more of an engine problem I'd think

Just don't try opening overlays

[drowsy shuttle]

I just realised zain doesnt have a leg...

[upbeat sand]

Hmmmmm

[chilly dove]

it's overlay related? but i'm just using the rose for quick chat. the one that says stuff like : "need ammo / healing"

overlays affect that?

[upbeat sand]

Oh ok nvm

Idk you ment by rose cosmo

[hexed mango]

commo rose

[upbeat sand]

It sounded like some software

[drowsy shuttle]

Did you guys knew zain has a prostetic leg? I just noticed on his t1 skin

[hexed mango]

yes

its in his bio

he got blown the fuck up

and his friend died

[drowsy shuttle]

Ah i dont read bios lol

[hexed mango]

thats what the one background with him kneeling looking down is about

[chilly dove]

games calls it "Ping / CommoRose" . guess i'll make another thread about a new bug that everyone at EA ignores

[upbeat sand]

Hippies

[chilly dove]

wait why is it so difficult to edit keybinds now? there's like a sweet spot just to the right of the letter. why isn't it the entire rectangle, that highlights as clickable, the area that invokes the binding process?

is this like a resolution issue or something? i'm playing on 1080p

[slender hare]

guys what is better between 1942 rendezvous and BF3 air superiority? cuz both looks really cool

[tough folio]

play them

[chilly dove]

id remake breakaway original

[upbeat sand]

Fps bye bye

Someone's gonna make hourglass x4

[chilly dove]

someone said we can't have 2 versions of the same map in this game because of size. yet we get a new map every like 3 months or so

maybe if you ppl would delete all the porn from your computers

[arctic grove]

Brutal Expectation from DICE

[upbeat sand]

But really getting a working community map worker to work will take ages

I mean look at infinite forge and how long it's taking

And forge is still in beta I think

So then take forge and then map the maps X4+ larger and oh no

It'll also be very unoptimised since the community maps will definitely be bloated

[hearty flame]

cant be less bloated than launch maps I bet

didnt they pretty much use their asset limit

[upbeat sand]

I would imagine someone would make a hourglass but worst

[hearty flame]

and i imagine someone would make an hourglass but good

[arctic grove]

Bro DICE literally need to move the stadium to the middle of the map. It be a quick and easy fix

[hearty flame]

wouldnt know about that but has dice considered it?

[arctic grove]

We have zero what they are up to at this point.

[hearty flame]

Im sure theyre doing something...important
probably getting the class stuff ready

dunno how well thats gonna go

or how people will recieve it

or if people will come back for it

[lavish patrol]

So... classified F-15E stuff got leaked on War Thunder today

Yesterday was the F-16

[arctic grove]

Battlefield always been about classes so its not really something revolutionary

I guess if people hate the change they can always create 2042 on Portal with no classes

[hearty flame]

ya gotta love the wargaming community. leaking classified info to own the noobs

[wild marlin]

who wants to argue w me 😀

[arctic grove]

You need accurate intel for your vehicles

[hearty flame]

well its been about classes until now. and the people playing probably like not having classes.

[arctic grove]

Which is why they should kindly move over to Portal to play with no classes

[wild marlin]

I think classes are good because everyone running around with an M5 fucking sucks

[hearty flame]

but thats the logical thing to do. Im betting theyll bitch and moan like everyone else when they realised 2042 didnt have classes

[hearty flame]

the classes arent locking weapons so everyone might still run the m5

[vocal zenith]

locking weapons is dumb so its good they not doing that

[chilly dove]

i completely agree with you. the people who think classes are so integral and that the game can't work without it consume nostalgia copium on the daily

[vocal zenith]

just because u recon doesnt mean u want to always be in the backline

[wild marlin]

umm no, it's gonna be an engineer exclusive

not everyone is gonna be running around with an M5

[hearty flame]

oh the launcher

my b

[wild marlin]

Infact it's literally gonna be exclusively Crawford

[vocal zenith]

m5 isnt a weapon tho its a gadget

[hearty flame]

sorry dont mind me and my smoothbrain tonight

[wild marlin]

Crawford is gonna be the only engineer you're gonna see running a launcher in the open slot

Boris = useless

[chilly dove]

"tEaMwOrK oNlY eXiStS wItH dIsTiNcT cLaSsEs"

[vocal zenith]

thats a lie lol

[dusk forum]

Teamwork never existed

[wild marlin]

disagree

[vocal zenith]

teamwork was an illusion in bf games

[dusk forum]

I have never seen any genuine cooperation aside from for selfish gains

[vocal zenith]

the only reason it looks like teamwork is because u need people to drop u ammo and meds lol

[dusk forum]

Eg the squad ordinance supplies or the personal kit thing from BF4

[dusk forum]

Also that

[chilly dove]

don't worry, i'm mocking people who think that there's no teamwork because we have specialists instead of classes.

[wild marlin]

imagine how many people have missed out on the experience of having every single role in their squad covered

[wild marlin]

preach

[dusk forum]

I’m glad weapon restrictions are gone the

Tbh

[wild marlin]

^

[dusk forum]

Probaly the best movie they made in this game

[hearty flame]

nah they shouldve locked weapons. maybe all the complaining about lack of weapons in each class would motivate them to add more weapons

[vocal zenith]

yea weapon restrictions make no sense to me

[arctic grove]

Wouldnt make sense for a reacon to run lmg

[wild marlin]

disagree, the profiencies are the way to go imo, IF they are done right

[vocal zenith]

i mean what if u want to be a recon that has access to tugs but want to hold down an area, then wouldnt lmg make sense?

[dusk forum]

what even is assualts profiency

[wild marlin]

it's not bad that they have the option, it just shouldn't be encouraged, but having the choice rocks

[dusk forum]

like ive heard its sprint to fire changes or more ammo

[dusk forum]

Paik

[hearty flame]

agree to disagree then. I still think bf4s weapon system is the best. we'll see how proficiencies go though

[dusk forum]

Rao

both have gadgets that require getting up close and personel

pesonal

[chilly dove]

probably something cheesy to make mackay pickers cry less

[wild marlin]

theres 2, the ready speed after sprint, or the 3 extra mags, the first one sounds super good imo and should be the one implemented

[wild marlin]

Rao should just be an engineer and lose ALL his spotting abilities

[eager spire]

Rao
Require getting up close and personal

no

[arctic grove]

My biggest complain is sundance carrying c5.

[wild marlin]

^

[eager spire]

like that's just blatantly not true

[dusk forum]

and the ea desktop app wont work

excellt work

[vocal zenith]

rao is like a clear evidence they didnt design him with strict classes in mind he is like a recon/ engi hybrid lol

[eager spire]

well yeah it's ass

[arctic grove]

ea desktop is more broken than origin

[wild marlin]

imo just make him an engi

[hearty flame]

well of course. this game wasnt designed with classes in mind

[dusk forum]

then we'd be down to 2 fucking recon ops

[wild marlin]

we're getting a 4th u know

[vocal zenith]

we getting another recon op

[dusk forum]

true but even if they did

recon would be small as shit

[wild marlin]

but literally just swap Boris and Rao

give Boris better spotting

[chilly dove]

Sundance C5 is great. people can para c5. being swift in para form is her whole gimmick, seems like a salt issue

[wild marlin]

or just rework him entirely

[dusk forum]

that would require a total rework of Boris

[hearty flame]

might as well with how bad his turret is

[wild marlin]

that sounds like the only good solution for him lmao

he fucking sucks

[vocal zenith]

sundance + c5 is just bf2042 bombers lol

[arctic grove]

Skill issue tbh

[chilly dove]

same diff

[eager spire]

i mean Boris probably should've worked like how Crawford does

[arctic grove]

He really does. Which is why i main him

[eager spire]

but since Crawford exists now, there is not a good reason for him to have a turret

[wild marlin]

respect

I feel like both their gadgets suck ass tho

being stationary in this game is death

[arctic grove]

They feel underwhelming

Honestly it wasnt that bad for boris before the nerf but people bitched and moaned

[chilly dove]

i think all boris needs is less for the turret to not make dumb noises if it sees someone that the enemy can hear

[vocal zenith]

ppl always bitch and moan on the internet

[dusk forum]

Borris needs his turret to be far more

[wild marlin]

both of those specialists promote being stationary 🙅🙅

[chilly dove]

the noises should be team audible only

[dusk forum]

accurate and have a less lock on time

the turret takes fucking milenia to fire

[arctic grove]

And DICE someohow listens

[wild marlin]

more like, it needs to fucking kill people

[hearty flame]

2042s launch was so bad all they could do was listen

[eager spire]

I just don't think there needs to be an automated turret in the game at all.

[dusk forum]

How the fuck you need to get like

[vocal zenith]

also dont forget we getting claymore soon, get ready for the bitch and moans of ppl dying from a claymore in a dark corner or atop a ladder ;p

[dusk forum]

8k damage with the turet i have no idea

[wild marlin]

literally, it breaks in like 1 clip

[eager spire]

again, I don't understand why they feel the need to include it

[dusk forum]

a ranger has more health

[arctic grove]

or a dark corner of a building

[wild marlin]

ranger rocks

I love ranger

[hearty flame]

at least there arent anymore rooftop objs with only elevators leading up

[vocal zenith]

i mean if they include a claymore should it be class specific?

[arctic grove]

Rangers are beasts if you dont get a challenged ranger

[eager spire]

true

[dusk forum]

so, once in a blue moon

[wild marlin]

its locked to recon I think, so it's like meant to cover ur flank if youre not paying attention

[chilly dove]

I don't understand why people think military technology that is common place is off the table just because it's slightly hard to work around

[arctic grove]

Basically yes

[dusk forum]

amazing

[chilly dove]

is this whole convo just skill issue?

[wild marlin]

I love when my ranger, simply does not walk to other side of the wall with me

[vocal zenith]

lets hope the claymore will use lasers as to balance the annoying fact that placing it on a dark corner is just a free kill lol

[dusk forum]

Ranger's are either T-800s or as powerful as dinnerplates from GFL (utterly fodder)

[arctic grove]

My ranger misses it shots or just beeps

Thats it.

[dusk forum]

10/10 AI DICE

[hearty flame]

its doin its best man

[wild marlin]

dude if it's a wire claymore fuck that

[vocal zenith]

it is the future so i guess it make sense, regardless of the fact that strapping a motion sensor on a claymore is a fkn war crime lol

[dusk forum]

AI will take over the world

The AI:

[chilly dove]

"I died, remove whatever killed me from the game"

[wild marlin]

it has so be like a Bright red laser or sum like in cod

[hearty flame]

and give it a longer laser indicator

[dusk forum]

BTW Tor's are so fucking powerful

those things might as well have hitscan

I got sniped littearly across Renewal by one

not even kididng

[vocal zenith]

honestly even if it has a bright ass laser ppl will still die to it bc like if u going up a ladder lol

[dusk forum]

not even 20 seconds in, match barely started

I fucking die

what the fuck

[hearty flame]

maybe give engies a trait or gadget to disarm/convert stuff like claymores at a short range

[chilly dove]

TOW Missile still best anti-air. most satisfying

[vocal zenith]

maybe rao should be able to hack an area lol

it will make him a lot more usefull lol

better yet if they add thermal scopes let rao hack it to turn it off lol

[chilly dove]

i came into a game late, random nightbird pilot showed up and killed me near spawn

[vocal zenith]

imagine how funny that shit will be lol

[hearty flame]

hack someone->see their deployables->let him hack them and destroy/convert them

[chilly dove]

remove nightbirds from the game lol jk

[wild marlin]

BRO WHAT HAPPENED TO AUTOMATIC CIWS IN THE SPAWN

remember that 😤

[chilly dove]

tbh yeah we do need stuff like that

[vocal zenith]

we have railgun tanks camping spawn for that

[chilly dove]

spawn protection from BF3

[wild marlin]

on god, railgun tank is cringe

[eager spire]

I don't understand why people think that things are obligated to be in a game just because they're used irl. Like i donno man, this is just a videogame, i feel like considerations should be made for if something is or is not fun to play against. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dusk forum]

Man I fucking forgot how big breakaway is

this rework cant come sooner

[vocal zenith]

hey railgun tanks might be cringe when it camping spawn but u can deny its good at one tapping those annoying helis lol

[wild marlin]

personally, dying to an aerial vehicle in spawn, in undeniable cringe

but that's just me 🙄🙄

[chilly dove]

claymores hate people who move slowly and cautiously. which can be a fun gaemplay element. did you ever consider thi? lol

[eager spire]

understandable to be honest

[wild marlin]

never said it's not fun or useful, but do not tell me you don't release the fattest "UGH" 😫😩 when you get shot from 2000 meters away by a railgun tank

[chilly dove]

like, there's more to videogames than just being a perma toggle W button / forward press

and this idea that fun only exists if nonstop forward press is kind of insulting to the name of this whole franchise

[eager spire]

i mean even doing that, there are situations where it's just like "Well i literally cannot fucking move because this dipshit is using a claymore and i can't shoot it without damaging myself, or even not be able to shoot it at all due to the angle"

[vocal zenith]

it is iritating but it tells me im being to stationary as a heli pilot

[wild marlin]

i feel like if you die to a claymore that's place in an obvious claymore spot (like doorway), you deserve it

like just look down and try to see a red laser LMFAO

[eager spire]

I just don't see how it's fun to not fucking move

[chilly dove]

literal skill issue. use a frag.

u can even larp it lmao

[wild marlin]

that's literally when they get you, railgun tanks punish players who get comfortable

[chilly dove]

"Frag out." [explosion} "move in"

[wild marlin]

has anyone here tried the new buffed MCS?

[chilly dove]

patience and caution. I didn't say no movement at all. a delicate touch can be awesome, but I understand many of yall have never felt the touch of a woman that wasn't mama

[eager spire]

fair enough. though that kinda falls apart if someone were to have two claymores, or two people with them were in a building.

[chilly dove]

i'm just teasing btw, plz no get ma

[wild marlin]

sarcasm can't be detected over text btw

no tone

unless you put emojies or sum 🙄🙄

[chilly dove]

i mean what i'm talking about with respect ot claymores is still true. i just meant my momma joke

[hybrid totem]

Totally disagree. A good railgun tank operator can hit moving targets. It's just most helicopters make predictable movements.

[wild marlin]

bruh this guy crashed his jet instead of fighting a stealth chopper 😂😂

[arctic grove]

damn bro are you still on about that bailout

[wild marlin]

yeah I still remember that 😂😂

[magic bloom]

More the fact they don’t know they’re being targeted til they get slapped with a piece of sharpened metal going Mach 6

[wild marlin]

bro he literally deprived me and my pilot of a kill 😤😤😤😤

[arctic grove]

[chilly dove]

in siene crossing stairwells, people would frag out clays or blow them up however, or sneak by becasue walking and crouching replicated stepping over the wires

i think engineers could pick them up too

[wild marlin]

technically railguns should be fully hitscan

[hybrid totem]

no worries I'm sure I've smacked him out of the sky more than I've "deprived him of kills" by not being good at flying jets

[wild marlin]

king coper is imagine things 😂😂😂

[hybrid totem]

ah yes he's definitely like 12

[wild marlin]

dude why are you pressed lmao I'm joking

[hybrid totem]

"it was just a joke bro"

[wild marlin]

you crashed and died and we were chasing you

[chilly dove]

not necessarily. they're very fast, but not light speed

[wild marlin]

I'm justified in being annoyed 😂

[hybrid totem]

so yes, crashed and died, did not intentionally deprive you of a kill

But I'm sure if you had killed me you'd be crowing on about that instead

No winning against types like you

[wild marlin]

nono, you crashed and died BECUZ we were chasing you

[wild marlin]

boom this guy knows

[hybrid totem]

Be annoyed all you want, and keep going on about it all you want

[wild marlin]

THERE IS NO WINNING AGAINST TYPES LIKE ME 😭😭😛😛

[hybrid totem]

Anyone worth relating to sees what you're doing

[wild marlin]

like I'm just making fun, but ur actually pressed

get rid of that negative energy fam

it's chill

[hybrid totem]

if you were actually just making fun you'd recognize the affect it's having and give it a rest

[arctic grove]

dont feed the troll block and move on

[wild marlin]

^^

[hybrid totem]

thank you for the reminder

[arctic grove]

🙂

ive been on to many discord memers and trolls grind my gears so i auto block them

[hybrid totem]

I'm gonna hop in the game and start wrecking stealth helis with my railgun tank instead

[wild marlin]

so has anyone used the new msc since it's buffed

[magic bloom]

It’s better

[chilly dove]

block em and move on

[wild marlin]

like crazy better or just usable now

[magic bloom]

It’s usable

[wild marlin]

icy

so like you can duel a scar user if you hit him center mass

[magic bloom]

If you hit most of the pellets into them yeah

[chilly dove]

also can others replicate getting pushed out of bushes and the ping commo rose issue and post in the threads about them to get senpai dice to notice them?

[arctic grove]

ping commo rose issue?

[wild marlin]

hope the new engineer proficiency is as the first post stated

I do think reloading utility weapons faster is useful

[chilly dove]

https://answers.ea.com/t5/Technical-Issues/Ping-CommoRose-gets-stuck-there-if-mouse-moved-after-selection/m-p/12224786#M40603

[arctic grove]

Cursed bug

[eager spire]

i've never seen the latter actually happen in practice.

[chilly dove]

i don't think we'd hear about it IRL. not that it matters. is a videogame. it is theoretically possible, and frag option exists.

[dusk forum]

why is it that the opposite team is ever so fucking better in breakthrough

[wild marlin]

have you tried playing with a squad

[chilly dove]

you have an anti-skill aoe?

[wild marlin]

and taking vehicles

[dusk forum]

i dont think you can take vehicles in infantry breakthrough

[arctic grove]

Attacking team?

[wild marlin]

well did you try playing with a squad?😂😂😂

[arctic grove]

Cause I’d argue attacking is a little bit strong in the game

[dusk forum]

seriously

defense either

loses no sectors/just 1

or loses

no inbetween

[wild marlin]

^

[arctic grove]

It’s team dependent cause no matter what you can get shit on

It’s just

Attackers get 300 respawn tickets

[dusk forum]

and gain like

[arctic grove]

So you gotta reeeeeaaallly hold down

[dusk forum]

+100 at a reinforcement

[wild marlin]

either a feeder team or sweat players

[dusk forum]

problem is 64 players have no idea how to play together

[arctic grove]

Yeah 70-100 and it pisses me off

[dusk forum]

its like

+150 or some shit on Kalediscope, a map with 3 secotrs only

[chilly dove]

breakthrough really is just spawn/spamfest management, just like rush. gets boring after like 1 round once you realise you're just a piece of meat in a factory

[wild marlin]

that's why I think rush xl is best game mode 😀

[chilly dove]

atleast conquest gives sites tonnes of angles of approach and lots of sites to choose from

but shout outs to the spawn abusing aircraft, like why are we here? just to suffer?

[wild marlin]

to be cringe

[chilly dove]

every night I can feel my leg and my arm

[dusk forum]

for fuck sake

it spawns me

OUTSIDE the damn tower

with 64 people swarming outside

[chilly dove]

lol

[wild marlin]

bro just stay here with us 🙋🏻‍♂️

we can talk about things

[dusk forum]

breakthrough needs a fucking rework

[chilly dove]

@dusk forum I know the solution to your problem, chill pills and conquest

[dusk forum]

I have no idea how the fuck ANYONE looks back at rush and goes

"yeah that was fun"

[chilly dove]

f rush, f breakthrough. conquest. (and TDM)

[wild marlin]

bro clearly hasn't played rush xl 😂

[dusk forum]

that just sounds like the cuirrent breakthrough experince but somehow worse

[chilly dove]

lmao

[wild marlin]

well imagine breakthrough expect 128 and even smaller map

so literally heaven 😂

[hybrid totem]

breakthrough needs wider maps and more ways into each objective

[dusk forum]

I littearly havent even touched Rush because of how bad my meories are of that shitshow

theres littearly only 3 outcomes

[chilly dove]

accurate

[wild marlin]

dude you need to play rush with squad or you're feeder

[dusk forum]

-Attackers blitz and sweep harder then Avatar
-Defenders lose no land
-Littearly lose at the end

[wild marlin]

like playing without friends just sucks

[dusk forum]

this is battlefield

"teamwork" doesnt exist

[hexed mango]

[dusk forum]

And I HAVE no friends

[wild marlin]

THEN GET A SQUAD 😂😂😂😂

[dusk forum]

with crippiling anxiety

[hexed mango]

#lfg-pc

ez

[wild marlin]

we literally have an lfg here

[dusk forum]

bit hard to play the game that has shitty text filters

[hybrid totem]

I make positive remarks in chat after having a positive experience with someone, and like 70% of the time we get in voice chat somehow

[dusk forum]

or requires you to tab out

[hybrid totem]

I've made a ton of bf friends that way

[arctic grove]

Zain and Poetic are like my only friends i play 2042 with

[dusk forum]

I have littearly never touched a mic in public for fuckiing years

[wild marlin]

just talk to ppl in the vc

and ask for their names so you can search up their stats 😂

[chilly dove]

but i mean... with this games balancing, the rounds are won essentially on the back of whoever abuses the most OP weap or vehicles the most/best in breakthrough

[hexed mango]

[hybrid totem]

What are you doing right now?

[arctic grove]

Sad but true

[dusk forum]

sitting on the menu

[hybrid totem]

because I just downloaded the patch and am about to give this bad boy a test drive

Wanna hop in a vc? I work early tomorrow so I won't be on long anyway

[chilly dove]

so like... grab an SVK or an SFAR, turn it into a death machine, hop in a nightbird or use any vehicle with explosive rounds 50 mm 40mm 30 mm etc

[hybrid totem]

I'm literally booting up now so if you wanna join for the evening, ping me

[chilly dove]

like break through would be a great gametype if it was setup without respawn for both sides per objective

[dusk forum]

Im fine tbh
Not much I could contribute to in a squad considering I don't mic up

[chilly dove]

but i btet dice is afraid of a lawsuit or something

[wild marlin]

bruh don't join him, he crashes jets when he's getting dueled by a stealth chopper 😂

[dusk forum]

lawsuit from what

Activision?

[hybrid totem]

I don't do a ton of stuff like squads do, but if you run vehicles I'll rep and gun for you

[chilly dove]

games that would say "this is a copy of cs map gameplay"

[dusk forum]

and lose in court

theres no way a trial like that would stand at all

"Battlefield is copying from COD because it has guns and military dudes"

[hybrid totem]

We don't even have to mic up, just party up
I'm gonna be in game but if you want you can add me, same name as my discord

[dusk forum]

"COD is copying from battlefield because it has a large 32v32 mode that requires taking points"

"Battlefront is copying from battle-"

wait thats the same company

[chilly dove]

never forget that blizzard lost to valve so hard that technically, they can't make "Blizzard Dota", despite DotA just originally being a custom scenario for Warcraft 3 lol

[wild marlin]

so these weapon proficiencies are badly thought out from what I see

[dusk forum]

I mean

its either that or

be utterly busted

[wild marlin]

elaborate

good sir

[dusk forum]

I mean

It's just kinda

"hard" to balance out something like that tbh

[wild marlin]

bro like set your goals first

[dusk forum]

-Live

[wild marlin]

what's the goal of the proficiencies

think about it for a sec

[dusk forum]

Encourage a certain class to use a certain category of weapons

[glossy storm]

I'm actually glad that they aren't completely shifting to a traditional class system.

[wild marlin]

exactly so, should you go and make them invincible with that certain category of weapons, or simply encourage thoseweapons to be used

[hexed mango]

bruh i hate the air ceiling in this shit

[dusk forum]

Which is what those traits are gonna try and achive

[wild marlin]

so they should be MINISCULE buffs

[dusk forum]

Which they are

[wild marlin]

that don't determine the outcome of a duel at all

[chilly dove]

like cod may be terrible but the gameplay design choices used in warzone to balance out the down time when you die is clever. you go play TDM or have 1v1s and if u win you get a second chance or w/e

[wild marlin]

so like, how exactly is an engineer reloading his shotgun faster, determine an outcome of a duel

[dusk forum]

The only problem is assualt having faster sprint to fire time

thats littearly it

[wild marlin]

i don't think it's that broken imo

[chilly dove]

they could do something like that to breakthrough, remove respawns spam being so powerful

[dusk forum]

well their miniscule buffs

[wild marlin]

but a miniscule buff can have huge effects

[dusk forum]

that just sounds

fucking boring

like the

last stand modes in BFV

[next onyx]

Do think that assault should have more ammo with assault rifles and only that.

[dusk forum]

thats apparently one of the

[wild marlin]

dude for all you know the weapon proficiencies could quite literally be like assault rifles do 5% more damage while using an assault character and that saves you literally one bullet for Time to kill and then you win the duel just through a 5% buff

[dusk forum]

supposed traits

[chilly dove]

have you ever played games without respawn spam? are they all too boring for you? lol

[wild marlin]

miniscule buffs can have crazy effects

[next onyx]

Apparently yeah. But I did give an idea to Alex where classes with their specialised weapons would carry more ammo and a small buff.

[dusk forum]

seige/insurgency

[wild marlin]

they had it right the first time with the faster ready time for ARS while using an assault character

[dusk forum]

problem is those games are built around

like, 4 minute matches and such

like

it could work like tactical conquest

but I have no idea how you wanna fit that into breakthrough

[next onyx]

I'd rather more ammo then them waiting to solve ammo economics.

Funny hah. But I mean.

[chilly dove]

no i don't think you understand how respawn makes most if not all BF gametypes and that the timer is arbritrary

[dusk forum]

I hAVE TwO MAgs LeFt

[wild marlin]

ammo economics are solved by support characters

[next onyx]

Can't rely on unreliable players with the spacial awareness of a slug.

[wild marlin]

no ammo? angel appears 🤯🤯🤯

[next onyx]

The 3 apparent extra mags I'll gladly take.

[wild marlin]

dude all these problems y'all are complaining about are fixed with the addition of ONE person talking to you in the squad chat

which is quite literally the point of the game.

[next onyx]

Blind support players are nothing new.

[dusk forum]

this is battlefield

[wild marlin]

coordinate with others to achieve victory

[dusk forum]

people are fucking stupid

[next onyx]

People want to be more self reliant.

[arctic grove]

We should do a meme about BF. How the Devs think I should play, How fan base thinks I play, how my mom thinks I play and how I think I play, how I really play.

[chilly dove]

? you don't need other people. open your + menu and switch ammo types.

[dusk forum]

aside from the occasional fucking

[wild marlin]

then they should go play another game

[next onyx]

I played support for that very reason so I can have unlimited ammo.

[wild marlin]

because Battlefield has never promoted being a lone wolf as a means to success

[dusk forum]

the most squad work ive seen is to get the squad call ins and kit upgrades

[arctic grove]

solo running is the main reason ppl wanted classes

[next onyx]

I play for myself with success.

[arctic grove]

I play for success too

[next onyx]

So glad I didn't write that

[wild marlin]

if you feel like being alone wolf is the way to be for Battlefield simply picking assault class and frag out and don't lose your duels

and beyond that you can't complain

[chilly dove]

we all play for success, but different tactics will always divide. crying about it is moot, it's a public game and public sandbox

[dusk forum]

nobody has ever played trully coperatively in battlefield

[next onyx]

The reserve ammo capacities were purposely done like this in this game because everyone could carry an ammo box which I do.

With that going away they're going to have to compensate for that.

[chilly dove]

"nobody"

[dusk forum]

littearly the most cooperation is the dude giving supplies/revives

[next onyx]

You can also co operate in clearing a point out.

Kill people, uncontest the point.

[dusk forum]

fair enough

point still stands

[next onyx]

There are multiple ways.

[wild marlin]

like all I'm hearing is people who have never had problems with things that they can't deal with outside of their capabilities and the characters who they're playing

[chilly dove]

this is a ridiculous comment

[wild marlin]

like if you want this game to be total solo play and have zero team playing then there's literally no reason to have classes and everyone just being assault character getting frags

[chilly dove]

don't sit there eand try and defend that comment. it's just wrong lol

[wild marlin]

^

[next onyx]

I never really said I was against teamplay. I was saying that I hate relying on idiots that don't want to heal or give me ammo.

[limpid pond]

You know it's wild asf that once you takes the vehicles out of breakthrough the defenders start winning

Actually nuts

[dusk forum]

people blinder then hellen keller out here

I am littearly

2 meters away

[wild marlin]

like literally this dude has clearly never had a chopper farm him he's never had a mortar land on him he's never had anything outside of his capabilities challenge him

[dusk forum]

fucking REVIVE ME

[next onyx]

Why should I be punished for my teammates in action.

[wild marlin]

that's the argument for people who want no team play

[dusk forum]

I never said I wanted no team play

[limpid pond]

It's not

[dusk forum]

Im just saying Battlefield lacks legit squad coordination

[limpid pond]

Teamplay is almost nonexistent in this game so why waste the time

[wild marlin]

2042 lacks legit squad play

[chilly dove]

like, i think you're just having a bad day and coupling unmet expectations in vidya to your happiness

[next onyx]

No squad echos, etc.

[limpid pond]

Mfs barley revive anyways

So just bleed out

[wild marlin]

they should bring mortars back for support ngl

[chilly dove]

expect to be walked by, expect people to not give you ammo, expect spawn farm, expect joining as round ends for a win or a loss

[wild marlin]

mortars were so fun

[next onyx]

When a friendly squad assault notices you surrounded by a group of medics there's something wrong

[dusk forum]

when theres

geniune dumbasses

who run by me despite being safe for revive

i do

[wild marlin]

I still do not believe having three extra clips as an assault is a valuable proficiency to have

[chilly dove]

yeah but dude, human beings. fallable. even bots. expect it

[wild marlin]

because it's quite literally an anti-squad Play change

it promotes not needing a support in your squad

[dusk forum]

You can put a damn

[chilly dove]

like no amount of yelling bout it in discord will guqrantee ppl revive you every time lol

[dusk forum]

"revive person 1 meter away" screen all across the screen

and someone would

STILL

fail to revive you

[chilly dove]

also, i'm sure you've missed revives on others too. if you don't see it or are preoccupied

[next onyx]

If ammo capacities were increased it would lessen the reliance.

[wild marlin]

so maybe if you had a person in your squad that you can scream at whenever they don't revive you that would make you feel better

dude I don't think you realize the reliance is what you want

[next onyx]

Yeah I've made those mistakes too, and then you have people who die in the middle of the street and expect a revive.

[wild marlin]

the reliance is what makes people play diverse classes because it helps them where they lack 🥵

[dusk forum]

and 2042 just fucking crashed

oh boy

[next onyx]

Bf5 did a good job to compensate for its attrition system.

[wild marlin]

no way your Battlefield game crashed that's crazy tell everyone about it

[next onyx]

Ammo stations in bf5 were the best and they need to come back.

[main folio]

https://tenor.com/view/lazy-cat-stairs-gif-20611362

[wild marlin]

I haven't played bf5 but I do keep hearing that they have great squad play

[next onyx]

Eh. It's no different.

Really. It's no different.

[wild marlin]

but I hear like they had something called like archetypes that promoted certain weapons or certain styles of play being used for the betterment of the team

[next onyx]

Except you aren't punished because they doubled ammo capacities and so you're less reliant on teammates.

[dusk forum]

yes

I dont know if I want

squad call ins to return

[copper fulcrum]

They weren't only in V

[next onyx]

They were in 1942 weren't they.

[wild marlin]

be that as it may I still don't see a reason for assaults to have three extra clips as their proficiency it's quite literally a waste of a feature

[copper fulcrum]

Yes

[next onyx]

They were in bf2 weren't they. I know vehicle resupply stations exist but I'm not sure 100% sure there.

[wild marlin]

it's literally dice saying hello sir are you using the correct gun for your class here have three extra more ammo so you can die with so much more ammo on you 😀😀

[copper fulcrum]

Also in 1942, the half-tracks healed and resupplied

[next onyx]

Refractor era battlefield is something I'm not 100% familiar with.

[dusk forum]

I cant wait for

reinforcements to return to 2042

[next onyx]

O RIGHT.

[dusk forum]

and for soemoene to call a fucking

[next onyx]

They were in hardline too.

[dusk forum]

tomahawk cruise missile on me

[next onyx]

The ammo and health lockers.

Hell we had Portable AED's usable by any class.

[chilly dove]

someone mad lol

[wild marlin]

dude what happened to Commander what happened to field upgrades

[dusk forum]

Oh yeah commander was a thing

[chilly dove]

just don't get hit and never die bro

[next onyx]

You played the hell out of bf2 didn't you guasta?

[hearty flame]

they tried commander with 4 and no one did it really

[dusk forum]

dark souls players:

True

it was a nice gimmik

but I never saw it as

"game winning"

[wild marlin]

what happened to Naval gameplay ya'll remember Naval gameplay?

[dusk forum]

that was the one where you had to

[hearty flame]

they used it in 4 as a gimmick when everyone wanted to use the tablet as a gimmick

[dusk forum]

blow up the enemey ship right?

[next onyx]

3 extra mags of ammo be like now I have 260 collective rounds with my drum mag scar.

[hybrid totem]

update or no update I am so glad to not play seasons cq

[wild marlin]

no that was the one where they're simply Naval vehicles for you to drive around and it actually isn't just tanks versus planes and choppers the entire time

[dusk forum]

the

OH yeah

I forgot about boats

gun boats with passive missile flahbacks

I remember the

naval supremacy game

had to blow up the enemey carrier

that shit was

fire

[wild marlin]

dude if they add Naval gameplay to 2042 the game's actually saved like actually

[chilly dove]

vertical sentences flood the chat just saying

[wild marlin]

that would like immediately solve like a third of its problems

[hybrid totem]

wait a damn minute. conquest is 32 v 32 now?

[next onyx]

One of the game types.

Exodus.

[wild marlin]

let's talk about this support proficiency shit

like I get that supports are supposed to be using light machine guns and all that but like how useful are they in practice

[dusk forum]

why is it LMG's

[wild marlin]

like how is an LMG supposed to help you when you're getting res off and frontlining

[next onyx]

LMG's are good lol.

[dusk forum]

Utility/SMG fits better for support

[next onyx]

It was a medic gun in bad co 2 and they did their job as well.

[wild marlin]

smg 4 sure preach

[next onyx]

Hang back and keep your team healthy.

[chilly dove]

support getting LMG is just a play on words I would assume. because of "squad support weapons" being LMGs

[wild marlin]

no but they actually associate lmgs and supports like they're supposed to be two in one

[chilly dove]

but an actual medic would not have an LMG as their main weapon lol

[wild marlin]

you shouldn't have a medic running around with a heavy ass lumbering gun

[chilly dove]

that cumbersome shit lol

[wild marlin]

like it's all about how it works in practice

in practice when you're a medic you're in the very front with the assaults getting res off

[next onyx]

It works either way.

As I said, a medic hanging back and or up close keeping people healthy.

Bad co 2 medic worked extremely well like that.

[wild marlin]

like if you want to have your cake and eat it if you're one of those people who cannot cope with a support using anything other than a light machine gun then I guess just make the proficiency buff machine guns at close range

[chilly dove]

actually no. medics are valuable. they would be generally protected

[next onyx]

Xm8 LMG, throwing med boxes at tight zones keeping yourself healthy.

Holding the line and the troops around you in good condition.

[wild marlin]

yeah being as valuable as they are it doesn't stop them from running straight to where the bullets are flying and reviving people who are dead

like I get I'm super valuable when I'm playing falc or Angel but I'm still one track mind about getting the res off

[next onyx]

Mgs kinda don't need a buff at closer range especially since how they're done.

[wild marlin]

if I'm not resing healing or resupplying I'm useless

[chilly dove]

you're talking about gamer logic. i'm talking about what this game references

[next onyx]

Lcmg with short barrel is a great close to mid ranged MG.

This applies to PKP too with its high rof.

Xm8, avancy, and m60 are great ranged lmgs.

[wild marlin]

lcmg with short barrel and close combat rounds is the closest thing you're going to get to an assault rifle in the lmg class

[next onyx]

Lmgs aren't rushing guns by their nature due to their sprint out time. They're balanced like that for a reason.

[chilly dove]

with respawn abuse, anything is possible. so who really cares about dying in vidya anyway?

[wild marlin]

aside from the advances that fires a hole 10 rounds per second more

[next onyx]

Just run standard with short barrel to keep the range.

[wild marlin]

no I actually like to run short barrel with close combat rounds for the extra rate of fire

I can manage to like 100 m out if you control the recoil correctly

it's hard but hey man it comes with practice

[next onyx]

That's fine closer up. I just run standard because damage range and velocity.

[wild marlin]

like I want to try to get as close to the avancys rate of fire as possible

[chilly dove]

like when billy gets shot and downed by enemy, billy rages because billy died, not because billy really cares about that 1 ticket getting refunded for his team for the win in a game of breakthrough that at the end of the day, will never matter to anyone lol

[wild marlin]

but no honestly like my biggest beef with the proposed support proficiency is that it doesn't promote support play how they're played as they are right now

[dusk forum]

they should sawp engineer/support proficency tbh

[wild marlin]

like make supports use utility or

cuz I think utility weapons just not really that useful in general

[dusk forum]

Rorsch

[wild marlin]

okay but that's one gun out of the entire category

and the things that set that gun apart are op broken things

[next onyx]

Shotguns are pretty good.

[wild marlin]

like the fact that I could one shot headshot you with a hit scan bullet

[dusk forum]

No way it’s hit scan

Maybe the tor but I doubt that as well

[wild marlin]

I don't know who thought it was a good idea to take the rorsch and slap six times on it 😤

[dusk forum]

The rorsch can’t be hitscan

[wild marlin]

the gun is a literal laser at anything below 500 m

I got its Tier 1 in 2 weeks after it released because I had the six times on it and I went and played breakthrough

[next onyx]

It's not actually hitscan.

[wild marlin]

the rorsch isn't actually hit scan it's still a projectile weapon but once you're close enough it's actually hit scan it doesn't matter

[next onyx]

The rorsch has a velocity of 1.666 ms.

[chilly dove]

engineer group could run Ghostmaker R10 with explosive bolts

then use a good secondary like...

[dusk forum]

PF51

[wild marlin]

all secondaries are good except the vault ones

g57 is fucking ridiculous right now and it's getting buffed

[chilly dove]

PF51, MP28, NVK, M93R

[wild marlin]

but no like if you're going to give the utility proficiency to engineers pretty much expect them to run the rorsch exclusively because it's a sniper and an assault rifle and it has armor piercing rounds

[chilly dove]

so they could run around with extra means to harm vehicles

gadgets, primary, specialist thing

[wild marlin]

no is it like that makes sense to me the only issue though right is that the rorsche is the only gun in that category that helps the engineer do its job so it's going to be the sole pick

[chilly dove]

but BF3 had it perfect. since we have no carbine class, just let engineers be the DMR class, screw it.

[wild marlin]

especially because right now it's so stupid

when you bring out the rorsche you're basically bringing out a hit scan assault rifle and sniper with a charge up time

[chilly dove]

Ghostmaker R10

[wild marlin]

I don't use the ghost maker I can't speak on that gun with authority

if it does damage the vehicle sure but I doubt it's better than a rorsche MAG dumping a tank with the full auto capacitor

[chilly dove]

as i said, explosive rounds. i don't use it but I read up on it

you can damage vehiclke with it

[wild marlin]

yeah I don't doubt that it has explosive damage but you're missing my point the rorsch is going to dominate the utility category especially if engineers have the proficiency it's going to be their literal sole pick

[chilly dove]

as it stands right now, the highest damage infantry can do to vehicles involves mines and C5

[wild marlin]

and don't forget the javelin is getting added and knowing dice it's probably going to be ridiculous

[chilly dove]

hmm

[wild marlin]

I have a feeling it's going to be like an M5 but the damage is doubled and you have to hold the lock or something

[chilly dove]

no you give them too much credit lol. javelin from BF3 was fire and forget lol

[wild marlin]

like listen by February you're going to see a bunch of black Andrew Tates running around with a javelin's I promise you

[chilly dove]

infact i prefer it te lock, fire and forget anyway

so maybe i give them too much credit and they do your suggestion lol

[wild marlin]

yeah I wouldn't mind if it was fire and forget either I just think that it's too easy if it's fire and forget especially if it's going to do close to half of a vehicle's damage

in my opinion I feel like it should be fired and forget only if the target is laser painted

[chilly dove]

too easy? in this franchise? where vehicles have infinite ammo and regenerate? lol

[wild marlin]

well dude, like right now my beef right is that everyone can have an m5 and they'll have three rounds and only five of them have to hit

[chilly dove]

but... you're especting everyone to carry M5, which just... isn't the case that often lol

[wild marlin]

in my experience I find that literally one out of every four players you meet in a match is running an M5 but that's just me maybe because I'm a very big vehicle player

[chilly dove]

like, if you're going up against a large force of people outside, ok i would expect to see enemy using M5s

so vehicle should be cautious

[wild marlin]

like in my experience spearhead is like the poster child for everyone running an m5

because 90% of the map is outside

[chilly dove]

call in some light air support to play Farming Simulator 2042 lol

[wild marlin]

dude don't even for like every 10 M5 users there's that one guy who does not miss with his dumb fire rocket

[chilly dove]

have you SEEN the choppers in this game vs inafantry? heh

[wild marlin]

like trust me when I say after however long launch has been these people have gotten way better with using the M5

[arctic grove]

It’s very easy to learn

A lot of velocity

[chilly dove]

m5 is perfect accuracy. it's great i love it. u can snipe with it.

[arctic grove]

Yup

[chilly dove]

but i stopped using it because it got boring after like... a month?

soflam is my new jam

i'm dat guy that makes m5 even more annoying yessir

[wild marlin]

dude it's crazy how they made so flam an open gadget and not the recons class gadget

[next onyx]

Explosive crossbow for engineer with the fast reloading sounds fun.

[wild marlin]

like people at dice really thought "hey guys we should let the people who act like spawn beacons, carry the spawn beacons."

[chilly dove]

?

[wild marlin]

insertion beacons are going to be the class gadget for recons in February

[chilly dove]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/PEQ-1_SOFLAM

[next onyx]

Spawn beacons act as a back up spawn point for a wiped squad.

[wild marlin]

literally no one except recons are going to be able to place inseryion beacons

[next onyx]

That's what makes them good.

[wild marlin]

but it's so dumb to give them to the recons who literally play back of the map

like a Casper on his drone is functionally identical to an insertion beacon

[arctic grove]

Recons typically play positional

[chilly dove]

spawn abuse is cheesy anyway, let em have it

[arctic grove]

At the back of the map ehh sometimes although 4 has infamous recons running the M4 with the beacon outside objectives

[wild marlin]

but it just makes so much more sense if it was the soflam

a soflam spots everyone automatically out to 500 m and laser designates vehicles at the same distance

so if it was the gadget that every single one of them was running they would literally be doing their job and helping out engineers at the same time

[chilly dove]

"thanks for putting a spawn near objective, recon squad mate. I appreciate you fueling my need to respawn repeatedly and run at objective dying over and over until it works"

"no problem?"

[wild marlin]

you know the best part right we're restricting open gadgets anyways so it's not like you could just give the insertion beacon to anyone that you want if you don't want a Sundance flying to the back of your site and spawning an insertion beacon you can just limit the assaults from having an insertion beacon

[arctic grove]

I think that’s a good question as far as spawn beacons go

Although locked loadouts generally are still the best move for general infantry to vehicle balancing and class incentives

[wild marlin]

people keep forgetting that next update open gadgets aren't exactly going to be open anymore because only specific classes can have specific gadgets

[arctic grove]

The point is to remove open loadouts

[wild marlin]

^

bottom line it just makes way more sense for a recon to have a soflam or like even a prox sensor as their class gadget over a fucking insertion beacon

[chilly dove]

this whole game is based around respawning anyway. flags give you spawns out in the field, you can spawn on transports, on squad mates, on insertions, eblc ram brings back para spawn,

literally crutch gaming

[next onyx]

Aggressive recons exist dude.

[arctic grove]

Well you’ve always been able to spawn on these

[next onyx]

PDW paik or AR rao.

[chilly dove]

i think we have enough spawning as is and can actually do with that being curbed a bit

[arctic grove]

Except the EBLC it didn’t exist in older games

[hexed mango]

and i mean there's only 1/3 recons that are really "campy"

[wild marlin]

so you support the recons having different class gadget 😀😀😀

[arctic grove]

Ah yes. Massive maps, let’s limit spawns

The funny part is besides the ram almost all of those spawn methods have existed in older titles

[next onyx]

Literally the playstyle only affects Casper.

[hexed mango]

i think itll be really nice with spawn beacon gadget, cause i always complain about spawns, so it fixes that

[arctic grove]

Excluding 1/V with no dedicated air transport

[chilly dove]

i mean... 100% opposite because it reduces the amount of spawn abuse this game has lol

[arctic grove]

But 3(?) and definitely 4 had their own air transports

[wild marlin]

it's actually so facts I don't understand why the reconnaissance characters have relatively close range abilities as it stands

[hexed mango]

recon = spot
paik = spot
rao = spot+paint
casper = spot

makes sense.

[wild marlin]

like you can argue that a Casper can spot out to 450 m into route spot out to 100 m or so I don't know the range of his hack but it just makes no sense to me that Pike has wall hacks up close as your gadget

[arctic grove]

You could say the spawn beacon would be good for assaults but their mobility is just kinda eh

Would fuck with things imo

Their ability to get to spots you typically can’t get to as anyone else would just make them a pain to deal with if they had spawn beacons

[next onyx]

Proxy balls are close range, tugs is close range.

[wild marlin]

you're missing the point their job is to spot but it's done from way too close and they are literally promoted to you sniper rifles which is a long range weapon

[next onyx]

I don't see the issue with a cqc recon.

[hexed mango]

Reconnaissance doesnt always mean sniping from the edge of the map, it means what it says it is, spotting.
hence, rao, who can hack vehicles, which not only spots them, but also disables them.
hence, paik, who can spot all the enemies near her
hence, casper, who has a drone to spot enemies and has a passive to tell when an enemy is nearby

[wild marlin]

maybe recons are simply not meant to be in CQB

maybe it's simply done better by other classes

[chilly dove]

@wild marlin take, for example, exposure, which is a great map all round. even with spawn abuse. but now imagine exposure conquest 128 with 128 players only able to spawn at their spawns after like 45 seconds

[next onyx]

Bf4 aggro recon with the carbines.

Bad co 2 aggro recon with the m1a1.

[chilly dove]

suddenly everyone becomes way more important, including spupports

[arctic grove]

I don’t really think spawns are a problem in this game

[next onyx]

Bf3 aggro recon with the smgs.

[arctic grove]

I dunno why we’d need to limit spawns

[hexed mango]

dont even forget people who close range snipe way

[next onyx]

It was a niche playstyle that was there.

[wild marlin]

it only works with field upgrades which we don't have

[arctic grove]

Spawn options*

[next onyx]

I just call them idiots.

[hexed mango]

sad

[wild marlin]

moot point in my opinion

[next onyx]

Field upgrades.

[hexed mango]

i did that in bf4

[next onyx]

Dude.

In bf3 you didn't need field upgrades for aggro recon.

[chilly dove]

and have you ever wondered what an insertion beacon actually is?. IRL it's the opposite. it's an exfiltration flare lol

[next onyx]

In bf4 throw recon balls.

Or a tugs to anchor.

With the spawn beacon on the exterior of a location.

[wild marlin]

fam if you want to play recon up close that's all right and if you can pull it off power to you what grinds my gears though is that dice doesn't know what place style they want to promote they either have recons sitting in the back line spotting everyone from the back line or they're going to be up close and personal spotting people that are already in front of you and you can see

[next onyx]

I can throw proxy balls in people's face as a recon and spot them for my team just as well as some guy sitting back with a soflam spotting people.

[chilly dove]

but i guess in BF, the insertion mechanical beacon is a forward base uplink that provides mission relevant/battlefield data to a squad

[copper fulcrum]

Do you enjoy that though?

[hexed mango]

is your argument that dice doesnt have a defined role for recon? or that recon isnt what it used to be?

[next onyx]

I do indeed throwing balls at people's faces.

[wild marlin]

dice does not know what a recon should do because they keep giving them close range abilities and promoting long range gameplay

[copper fulcrum]

Your words not mine

and another quote for the page

[next onyx]

True OOT.

[hexed mango]

so abilities close range, which part long range?

[next onyx]

It's almost as if recon could play both roles. Close range and long range spotter.

[wild marlin]

the sniper rifle proficiencies

[chilly dove]

the way dice wants you to play the class is based on the primary weapon proficiency and the specialists abilities themselves

[wild marlin]

the drones that spot out to 450 meters

[idle lion]

omfg wtf is this bs since when can vehicles run you over when you are LAYING ON TOP OF THEM

[next onyx]

A proficiency doesn't mean they can't.

[idle lion]

this is so fucking bs

[wild marlin]

the 200m hack from Rao

then there's the 20 Meter wallhack from paik

[next onyx]

The drone part is kept to the long range one.

The hack is kept to the mid range recon..

[chilly dove]

Paik detects people she shoots and can sense people inside of cover

[next onyx]

And the utility of rao is more than just spotting people.