a spotting casper is a spawn beacon
#battlefield-2042
wild marlin
next onyx
Spawn beacons are extremely powerful when used right.
spiral folio
2042 seems to think a class with weapons up to 10x magnify like close range
next onyx
It's why they should be stuck to recon and the class be better balanced around it.
wild marlin
disagree
just let it be an open gadget
a recon thats sitting in the backline, acts a like a beacon anyways
next onyx
Would rather not because we get annoying shit like with assault that can hide it in places where it technically shouldn't be.
wild marlin
recons class gadget should be soflam or prox sensor
wild marlin
Would rather not because we get annoying shit like with assault that can hide it...
then dont let assaults have it
spiral folio
Over half the spawn beacon use will inevitably be shortcutting back to their sniping spot that didnt work before since they have to go back to it
next onyx
But then you wanted it to be an open gadget.
wild marlin
have literally everyone except assaults have it
low timber
Spawn beacons are extremely powerful when used right.
And in next patch every recon will have one 
wild marlin
i can change my mind when i feel like it
next onyx
Yeah I'm concerned about that Marse.
spiral folio
I guess itll make it easier to repeatedly redeploy because you can't get ammo
low timber
Yeah I'm concerned about that Marse.
Should’ve been Soflam, rarely seen those.
wild marlin
^
spiral folio
Yea soflam is LITERALLY doing recon
low timber
Or the Tracer Dart, as it isn’t one of the last gadget unlocks actually
next onyx
Maybe so but just say "Actually no, Just leave out of assault and just the others" instead of going straight to that.
Yeah tracer dart will be interesting.
wild marlin
imagine having a laser designation tool that automatically spots everything at 500 meters, and not have it be the recons forever gadget
spiral folio
Tracer darts back from my play4free days huh
low timber
Or you know, have two options, so then we don’t see Assaults with self heal and armor
spiral folio
I could hit amazingly well with that
next onyx
I prefer a class that is balanced around its weapons and gadgets. It keeps them from being too good. Bf5 made me realise that.
spiral folio
Bf5 made me realize i liked bf1 a lot
wild marlin
weapon proficiencies are also ridiculously thought out
low timber
And I could bet we are gonna see less Soflam’s because every recon is gonna be running ether TUG-S or Motion Sensor ball.
next onyx
Assault could only run TNT with assault rifles, They were extremely effective but they didn't have the accuracy of a support gun or the efficiency of a submachine gun.
wild marlin
And I could bet we are gonna see less Soflam’s because every recon is gonna be r...
preach
next onyx
Tugs will be big.
low timber
Tugs will be big.
That’s why you should be forced to choose between tug-s and spawn beacon instead being able to carry both
wild marlin
boris still makes no sense in the engineer class
next onyx
Yeah I do think you should be forced to do that Marse.
spiral folio
Boris the turret guy,
wild marlin
his ability got literally 0 to do with killing vehicles
low timber
Like you can make the biggest camping area with those tools alone already
spiral folio
Theyre using TF2 rules
next onyx
I know Boris will be adjusted for engineer.
low timber
Beacon down for fast return and tug-s to protect yourself and beacon from flankers
wild marlin
ok how about changing his whole kit xd
spiral folio
Rao imo is more of a engineer role but since his ability is short range. . . Adaar recon?
hybrid totem
We're getting a t-ugs? Is it like the bf4 t-ugs or is it another rename
low timber
Paik is quite short range as well
wild marlin
next boris update: "his turret now fires AP bullets and only shoots vehicles"
boom
engineer
low timber
Except Casper
spiral folio
Whats the range on caspers drone
next onyx
200m.
spiral folio
Like almost nothing
next onyx
Which is a decent distance.
spiral folio
Loses signal when youbgo anywhere
wild marlin
like 300m
low timber
Whats the range on caspers drone
Changes so much so I’m not sure, longest was 300m which I think it’s back on again, shortest was 150m
wild marlin
450m
low timber
Lis is 450m
wild marlin
caspers drone is stupid useful
low timber
I wonder what’s the range on the Javelin actually 
wild marlin
like all launchers
next onyx
Assists count as score plus not entirely useless because you know.... Spot for you team.
low timber
Last time I asked that same question here I was insulted as passive missile user on jets, on BF4
spiral folio
Cause no reason 2042 borked the score list
wild marlin
i wonder what a javelin will do differently to laser designated targets
iirc back in bf4
low timber
Probably Top down attacks
pine roost
Oh wait I didn’t even consider the spawn beacon spam potential. Is that the recon’s class gadget now?
next onyx
It'll do more damage most likely.
wild marlin
you could lock tanks with no laser
spiral folio
Kill assists as in damage count for score but not just lookin at shit
next onyx
Yeah it is Bullet.
low timber
It'll do more damage most likely.
Like you’d need it 
pine roost
Oh niel
low timber
As it does 55 dmg to the front already
wild marlin
more damage because target is lasered? no thanks
increase the range of lock for rockets
spiral folio
Nah most spawn beacons will be for people getting to their favorite spots
spiral folio
Or put somewhere moronic
hybrid totem
So pessimistic
spiral folio
I seen things
pine roost
Although that being said spawn beacons have been nerfed to an extent seeing as mackay can no longer use them
low timber
I hope Javelin can lock on to soflam without a line of sight, like in BF3/4, would make use of the top down attack as well.
next onyx
Rao can run an assault rifle with the spawn beacon and be set.
spiral folio
Rao with an AR will be punished because its out of alignment
next onyx
Not really.
spiral folio
It is out of class
next onyx
Assault will get the perks but outside of that he won't handle it slower.
spiral folio
Punishment has been renderrrred
pine roost
It’s not like running a sniper gives him any more benefits anyway
wild marlin
they arent debuffing weapons that arent meant for your class
they're just buffing the ones you are supposed to use
next onyx
Actually no assault will have a quicker sprint out time but asides from that.
wild marlin
Actually no assault will have a quicker sprint out time but asides from that.
data miner said that changed
next onyx
If you're used to running Rao with a SCAR you won't feel it.
wild marlin
you're pretending like its gonna win you every engagement ever
low timber
I want a 3x scope on the P125
dusk forum
If you're used to running Rao with a SCAR you won't feel it.
Utter pain
low timber
Way, tell Alex 
spiral folio
Any benefit ever can make a difference in enough trials
next onyx
SCAR is good!
spiral folio
Alex is gonna hide til the update drops
dusk forum
It’s
radiant prism
SCAR is quite good yes
dusk forum
Alright?
wild marlin
arguments can be taken here https://discord.com/channels/140933721929940992/848706955228086292
spiral folio
Is that "to hell"
dusk forum
It’s not a bad gun just a intresting one
next onyx
I love it.
pine roost
They changed the weapon proficiencies since they were initially revealed haven’t they?
wild marlin
They changed the weapon proficiencies since they were initially revealed haven’t...
temporyal
dataminer
spiral folio
Some of the datamined stuff is obsolete
wild marlin
Some of the datamined stuff is obsolete
what information already replaced it
pine roost
Yeah, seeing as that supposed change is only through temporal. Ima wait till it comes out to discuss what they are
dusk forum
Because, fucking, GFL
next onyx
I played the game again and there was some bitch sitting back with the SCAR with standard rounds.
spiral folio
I one infographic had directly conflicting stuff on it between announced vs datamined
wild marlin
are you talking about the temporyal leaks
next onyx
So I broke my exact 30K stat to get my own out and killed him.
dusk forum
Lamo
spiral folio
Ie one was like
Longer scope steady
Vs
Permanent in the datamined
dusk forum
Fuck I need to check of the vault weapons have pins for mastery
next onyx
Dude was playing the game as if it was comp, Playing like a bitch and sitting back.
Like dude.
dusk forum
I hope vault weapons get that shit
next onyx
Push.
wild marlin
thats the temporyal leak
next onyx
M16a3 is good.
dusk forum
Dude was playing the game as if it was comp, Playing like a bitch and sitting ba...
bf1 artillery trucks:
radiant prism
I hope vault weapons get that shit
They do
next onyx
I wish it had 5 more rounds though.
spiral folio
Which are totally different. Permanent is longer but you can tell it means the devs changed their mind
next onyx
That's all it needs.
dusk forum
I run the M16 burst fire because, old school
radiant prism
They don’t have T1 skins but they have pins for your player card
next onyx
5 more rounds and it'll be in a very nice spot.
dusk forum
Or I add a grip, sight and turn it into a damn M4 essentaily
next onyx
I have almost 4000 kills with the m16 I'm just bored with the game.
Just waiting for 3.2 to abuse the SCAR again.
Zero fucks.
next onyx
Full auto a3 because bf3.
dusk forum
Amazing
low timber
Oh yeah, Way
On Stranded I shot with the P125 on Burst mode into a bush, got a headshot and few kills
dusk forum
My monkey brain from Cold War and shit makes me fire burst
next onyx
Hey a bush.
spiral folio
P125 needs the burst to be effective at all
next onyx
Is it weird to have a full auto m16a3.
P125 is shit on burst lol.
500 RPM just spam fire it and you're set.
low timber
It is, only on long range though, that’s why it needs a sight with more zoom
radiant prism
Yeah it’s better semi lol
dusk forum
Is it weird to have a full auto m16a3.
Sorta?
pine roost
Glock burst is nuts
low timber
P125 is shit on burst lol.
You weren’t using it right then
dusk forum
I think the A3 was a burst
spiral folio
The bursts aimed go basically same spot
wild marlin
Glock burst is nuts
and they're buffing it
next onyx
I literally asked Alex why it was the way it was and he said it's for finishing people off.
dusk forum
I mean auto
pine roost
Actual insanity especially with its hipfire
low timber
It’s great in long range, as it’s ether like or it is a hyper burst
next onyx
Pew pew pew pew
pine roost
I literally asked Alex why it was the way it was and he said it's for finishing ...
From full health, instantly you mean
spiral folio
I always run p125 on burst
dusk forum
How’s the Rorch
spiral folio
Basically makes it a 10rd gun
next onyx
I'm on about the p125, Bullet.
wild marlin
still disgusting
low timber
It it needs a better sight, like a 3x
pine roost
Oh
ebon pilot
what did I do to deserve this
wild marlin
you picked up a transport
spiral folio
The stock sight on p125 is best too
hybrid totem
*what did I do to deserve this*
Kept flying in the open after popping flares?
wild marlin
ground cover 🤯
next onyx
Pewpewpewpewpewpew.
wild marlin
lotta bots in that lobby
chilly jacinth
i feel like burst is better
wild marlin
^
chilly jacinth
when it works as it should
dusk forum
Pewpewpewpewpewpew.
This reminded me to change my hud colors
chilly jacinth
sometimes it bursts at like half rpm for some reason
spiral folio
Burst aimed will be basically on target
next onyx
This reminded me to change my hud colors
Orang.
pine roost
Can you customise every hud element or is it just presets?
spiral folio
And thr p125 is good hipfired
next onyx
It's a bug with frostbite that you can bypass the burst delay.
pine roost
How’d you get the colours the way they are there then?
next onyx
Uh hud hud colours but you asked if every part was which I'm not sure.
Settings >Hud >Something something.
spiral folio
P50 great on sights but hipfire it hits everything on the screen
pine roost
So you can change the colours overall to your own choice
chilly jacinth
yeah dunno how youd hit anything with the p50 without adsing
pine roost
I doubted you’d be able to change everything, it’s still cool you can change that though
Might fiddle with that later actually
chilly jacinth
unless youre basically right next to the guy youre shooting
pine roost
Use my strategy of never hipfiring
chilly jacinth
no
dusk forum
Uh hud hud colours but you asked if every part was which I'm not sure.
I tried a black hud but that blew up in my face fasr
pine roost
A bad habit that I don’t understand why I have
dusk forum
I had no hud lol
chilly jacinth
played too much mw2
pine roost
Makes no sense seeing as I spent too much time playing titanfall
wild marlin
weapon proficiencies 😔
pine roost
I think it’s a cool idea in all honesty
A good way to blend open weapon loadouts and the team structure of the class system
next onyx
I tried a black hud but that blew up in my face fasr
Still a smarter play than half the fucking playerbase at this point.
I did suggest to Alex to give classes more ammo with their guns.
Assault gets doubled capacity with assault rifles, etc.
pine roost
That’s a decent idea
spiral folio
They won't
dusk forum
“I have 2 mags left.”-average assualt player
next onyx
Cause its all they give me.
next onyx
The reason why ammo is the way it is is because everyone can carry an ammo box.
dusk forum
But that won’t be the case anymore
spiral folio
Wasnt that way in bf1 
next onyx
Now that that is going away they can look into ammo economics.
Wasn't that way in bf1 because ammo box was locked to support.
rocky kraken
glock put into primary weapon list
spiral folio
In fact we have more ammo than before cause of alternate ammos
dusk forum
Now it’s going to be so
next onyx
People would rather use their primary ammo.
spiral folio
I like keeping all my ammo organized
wild marlin
I think it’s a cool idea in all honesty
they are a cool idea, just executed wrong
pine roost
Conceptually yeah, but the bonuses so far don’t seem all that useful
rocky kraken
isnt assault 3 extra mags...
pine roost
But they seem to be changing a lot so I’ll wait to see what they decide upon in the end
next onyx
They should just keep it to ammo.
rocky kraken
extremely boring
dusk forum
isnt assault 3 extra mags...
It’s less sprint to fire time now
next onyx
Would rather extra mags. Its better balanced that way.
rocky kraken
wait
wild marlin
It’s less sprint to fire time now
the other way around
next onyx
But as far as we know. Officially it's still faster sprint out type.
rocky kraken
hm
rocky kraken
i thought data mine
wild marlin
extremely useless
rocky kraken
showed ammo
next onyx
It was a data mine but isn't officially confirmed.
radiant prism
I manage to run out of ammo all the time lol
rocky kraken
i dont really like the ammo prof
spiral folio
Sometime mined data is of like old rejected forms of an update
wild marlin
^
pine roost
That’s their design for the assault class now
radiant prism
Datamine isn’t confirmation
rocky kraken
sprint to fire speed would be better
spiral folio
Fire while sprinting
dusk forum
“5, bullets left!”
wild marlin
cringe
spiral folio
XD
wild marlin
or run angel
spiral folio
Yea totally ever happens
wild marlin
its usually me that has to
spiral folio
People put ammo out like "oh shit I'm almost out"
wild marlin
cuz everyone like the canadian grapple hook man
spiral folio
Not "oh allies need ammo"
dusk forum
“I NEED AMMO!”
pine roost
Give assault a jump kit and titan
wild marlin
scorch
dusk forum
Give enginner a fucking nuclear warhead
wild marlin
give support naval artillery call in
designate a whole sector of the map for bombardment
dusk forum
give support naval artillery call in
The USS New Jersey strikes again
wild marlin
or an arleigh burke missile saturation
dusk forum
New Jersey no pat ship when DICE
dusk forum
“WE HAVE BEEN REINCORCED WITH A DREADNOUGHT.”
wild marlin
maybe a whole flotilla missile barrage 😳
wild marlin
bf4 had a cruise missile strike
dusk forum
Commander moment
wild marlin
i hate how they just completely cut out naval gameplay
pretty cringe imo
remember gunship?
acoustic oar
can you dive now in 2042?
dusk forum
DICE add the Gerald R Ford Enterprise
Whoever calls it in gets +50 fighters and helicopters
wild marlin
MEMBER AI sentry CIWS for your spawn???
dusk forum
wild marlin
"hmm maybe we shouldn't add a CIWS over their base, so the transport can farm it 😃 "
chilly jacinth
i havent experienced any base camping in 2042
wild marlin
well im usually the one doing it 💀
sharp marten
Bro the CIWS added to the game would be a huge W
clever marlin
i havent experienced any base camping in 2042
Lucky
wild marlin
Devs start taking notes
clever marlin
What bases need are supply crates and anti air defenses
acoustic oar
Supply crates on fixed position like in bfv. So you can go and grab some ammo if the supports aren't doing their job, which is like 90% of the time.
hybrid totem
i havent experienced any base camping in 2042
Mostly I've seen jets doing it
wild marlin
engineers weapon proficiency makes no sense
spiral folio
Nothin snipers like more than lots of people around
Drawing attention
BFF sniper video
"Cuz its a freakin tank"
"But how do you knooooow"
wild marlin
"because its a tank"
spiral folio
My guess weapon proficiency will be like different per thing possibly?
Ie shotguns fire faster, railgun has ... more rail
wild marlin
changing a weapons rate of fire?
wild marlin
i think i'll take the reload buff
its literally my biggest beef with those guns anyways
spiral folio
And since you cant make the rail fire faster itd get something different
wild marlin
just reload it faster
spiral folio
Maybe crossbow would load faster or something
wild marlin
it doesn't need to be more powerful in any way
spiral folio
Reload faster in the rail wouldnt really be a benefit
plucky seal
hey guys may i get some help
wild marlin
Reload faster in the rail wouldnt really be a benefit
and thats ok
its still helpful
spiral folio
Wouldnt be on that..
wild marlin
the proficiencies are meant to completely crutch your weapons
wild marlin
it doesnt have tactical reload
plucky seal
have any of you ever had the following error upon launching the game :
wild marlin
i dont think its as fast as you think it is
solid imp
breakaway rework better keep the visual flying-iceberg type glitches, who's with me?
solid imp
lol a bit more to that gif than expected but it still works
giphy preview defo didn't make it clear it was tiled instead of 3 different gifs 🤣
wild marlin
dude this update is gonna be so cringe 😵💫
solid imp
it'll be interesting for sure
solid imp
I mean we'll find out if folks come back to the game that checked out early
wE nEeD cLAsSeS
solid imp
not this late in the game though
wild marlin
but these are done wrong
still vault
as with all updates I expect half the community to love it and half to hate it
wild marlin
but can we agree theres objectively stupid decisions being made
theres good in the update for sure
solid imp
not necessarily though stupid decisions
wild marlin
but the bad sticks out
solid imp
we just need to see how it plays out
wild marlin
like i said before tho, its not hard to imagine how its gonna play out
still vault
ofc. it is hard, balancing gameplay is not easy in any game
solid imp
mostly we'll find out whether anyone jumps from mackay to someone else because that ADS speed is somewhat balancing
wild marlin
lets take for example
the spawn beacon just for recons
where do recons typically play?
solid imp
paik is recon and useless anywhere but frontlines
wild marlin
we'll her passive is kinda useful semi useful
solid imp
rao has a range of like... 100m for hacking anything so not that far away
solid imp
casper drone is what.. 250m signal range?
still vault
I think the worst thing to balance will be the vehicles, as there will be a lot fewer rocket launchers
wild marlin
the spawn beacons are gonna be used solely for the purpose of respawning on top of building
or in the backlines with snipers
which they literally serve no purpose as you can spawn on the players as is
solid imp
recon doesn't have to take a sniper rifle if they don't care about the proficiency
wet elbow
is there a way to cancel/reduce the animation of realoading a gun?
silk surge
In a few days, it will be the 5th month since the last BFF episode. They haven't mentioned the series at all. Safe to say that the show has been cancelled?
solid imp
you want to have a manually set reload time 👀
wild marlin
recon doesn't have to take a sniper rifle if they don't care about the proficien...
so they are actively encouraging and discouraging recons to play how they're supposed to
solid imp
you can swap to something else to cancel reload partway through if that's what you mean
wild marlin
heres an idea
prox sensor, or soflam
as class gadget for recon
but nah dice devs know whats best
solid imp
It's a massive change, you have to realize it won't be perfect right off the rip yea? No way to drop a huge structural pivot more than halfway through the game's lifecycle and have it be 100%
wet elbow
you can swap to something else to cancel reload partway through if that's what y...
i mean, to reload faster. by default the player should wait for entire animation and only then he is available to shoot. is there a trick to reduce this, like some fps games do have?
solid imp
they'll have a look at how players are using things
wild marlin
yes we agree on that but like i keep saying, its not hard to see why its a stupid idea
still vault
so they are actively encouraging and discouraging recons to play how they're sup...
They are not called snipers, they are called recons, that is for a reason 🙂
wild marlin
i rather have every recon run around with a soflam, spotting and laser designating
and then people might actually run engineer
and boom its like bf4 all over again
when people actually played their roles
hybrid totem
Spawn beacon is why I mainlined carbines and recon class in bf4
wild marlin
the confusing part is what they are trying to promote, its like "hey recons should use long range guns" but then go "they also only work up close"
solid imp
If the complaint is insertion beacon as class gadget, doesn't that mean it costs nothing to have net more spawn beacons deployed at any given time? Whether or not any particular one is in a useful location there will be more out
spiral folio
My bf1 medic was my midrange sniper cause I'm not gonna rush into the shit to rev and get dead
wild marlin
i dont agree with that
solid imp
So that recon can indeed take a soflam as you wish and also deploy a beacon and hopefully it's in a useful spot
wild marlin
you're not doing your job
spiral folio
People skip so much its. Not worth it
solid imp
They don't have to choose beacon over soflam, so possibly even more soflaming than there is now by recons
spiral folio
Eventually i took revive off the build cause people just skip
Replaced with rifle grenade
wild marlin
They don't have to choose beacon over soflam, so possibly even more soflaming th...
but as it stands, thats not the case, in fact we're gonna see even less soflam because tracer dart gun and tugs is getting added
solid imp
tracer dart will be effective just like soflam to counter vehicles right?
spiral folio
It was in old bf games
solid imp
lockable
still vault
Giving recon close up things to do just makes sense to me. If they gave recon only sniper tools there would be too many long range sniper people and too few getting in on the action.
wild marlin
so whats the difference between that and soflam
solid imp
soflam has a wide angle and locks as long as you're holding visual
tracer attaches to the vehicle
wild marlin
so you dont need constant LOS
solid imp
right
wild marlin
but it doesnt spot everything automatically
solid imp
correct
spiral folio
They usually favor close range people. Bf barely ever gives things to benefit range
solid imp
tradeoff
solid imp
and tugs is a stationary poke ball
wild marlin
spawn beacon shitty class gadget for recon
spiral folio
Next recon is gonna suck too watch it be a melee attack
wild marlin
lets talk about the dumb weapon proficiencies for support and engineer
jovial jay
They usually favor close range people. Bf barely ever gives things to benefit r...
The stupidly broken 60mm flak would want to say otherwise, is that stuff fixed yet 
still vault
spawn beacon shitty class gadget for recon
if they play like the devs want them to, and actually flank the enemy positions while sniping, it makes perfect sense to me.
wild marlin
if they play like the devs want them to, and actually flank the enemy positions ...
isnt that literally supposed to be the assaults job
spiral folio
Yep
solid imp
ehh
wild marlin
they quite literally tell us, the assaults are supposed to flank
sundance's whole shtick is that
solid imp
sure but if assaults are out flanking wide then why have close range scatter grenades and a shield?
spiral folio
And then people pull like "yea but marine recons...." yea marine recons get more than 20 rounds of ammo
wild marlin
so they can do both?
solid imp
it's sort of implied that it's CQ flanking
wild marlin
they're supposed to frontline
and flank
just like how support supposed to supply AND heal
still vault
recon flank and provide spawn while assaults can sometimes flank over the frontlines and attack from the rear but provide no spawnpoint - doesn't sound that illogical to me
spiral folio
Or they can recon an area with a high mag scope from a distance
wild marlin
but basically the devs still dont know whos supposed to do what
because boris is still in the engineer slot
with literally 0 anti vehicle play in his kit
jovial jay
Honestly, it's 2042, people will do whatever that give them the most kill, I dont think they care that much about strategic pushing/defending
solid imp
Boris is a totally different topic, that man needs work regardless of 3.2
I think it's more you don't agree with what they want them to do lol (boris notwithstanding)
spiral folio
Why don't we just..let people pick what stuff they want based on the tasks and purposes theyre best at
Crazy idea
wild marlin
I think it's more you don't agree with what they want them to do lol (boris notw...
they themselves dont know what they want their own specialists to do
because they say one thing, and the mechanics they implement promote something different
still vault
disagree on that tbh
lusty temple
Man I just love getting sniped by 5 different people halfway across the map
wild marlin
like "hey guys lets give supports an LMG proficiency, that promotes being stationary, even tho they're supposed to be frontlining and reviving"
spiral folio
Man I just love getting sniped by 5 different people halfway across the map
Move closer then
So you can get sniped by 10 snipers from 1/4 way across the map
jovial jay
like "hey guys lets give supports an LMG proficiency, that promotes being statio...
That's relevant in the trench fighting era
wild marlin
are we still fighting in trenches in 2042?
wet elbow
does the active gun change character's movespeed?
jovial jay
No you're fighting 10 grandmas with stimpack
spiral folio
It makes sense for support to have ammo and a lmg cause lmg ammo is often also AR ammo
lusty temple
I'm getting sniped by two separate people on the radio tower, 2 others are on the bridge of the ship, and one thats parachuting down on me on Stranded
wild marlin
so thats a moot point sir
wild marlin
It makes sense for support to have ammo and a lmg cause lmg ammo is often also A...
moot point again
spiral folio
So like if an assault needed 60rds.... ok take some ammo belt bye
arctic grove
I'm getting sniped by two separate people on the radio tower, 2 others are on th...
I hate that map
spiral folio
Only one i can remember medics having lmg was play4free
solid imp
Wait... do we think that modern day RL squad LMG doesn't have a bipod? It's hardly for trench warfare only..
wild marlin
yeah sit in any corner ever and wait for people to walk by
lusty temple
Every 3 sec I gotta run out of cover sprinting while injecting myself 50 syringes of god knows what AND I GET FUCKING CORNER CAMPED BY SOME GUY WITH A K30
MY TEAM IS NO WHERE TO BE FOUND
arctic grove
yeah sit in any corner ever and wait for people to walk by
That's a skill too 🤣
solid imp
but people sit in corners today anyway lol
spiral folio
It depends what the role is for the mission. I think standard is bipod for gunners
solid imp
with smg's
wild marlin
thats probably paiks sole use
solid imp
literally just in a game where someone was prone in a hallway with a PBX
jovial jay
Every 3 sec I gotta run out of cover sprinting while injecting myself 50 syringe...
Still better than being toyed with by a heli with 30mm 
spiral folio
Combine paik and zain
jovial jay
Knowing that you cant do anything cuz that heli is on the peak of the map height
lusty temple
They need to find a way to get Anti-Air and snipers off of spawn because its annoying as hell
wild marlin
bro just give supports an smg proficiency smh -_-
spiral folio
See through cover and airburst people
wild marlin
it literally makes way more sense
2042 was supposed to reinvent the wheel anyways so why cant things change
spiral folio
Lmg guy and ammo guy make physical sense together
wild marlin
bro the ammo crates dont discriminate 💀
spiral folio
Lmg gunners actually carry more ammo and provide fire support
jovial jay
Wait for 2142 remaster 
there's your hover tank and killer mechs
solid imp
yeah but remember 3.2 is a direct response to the early community feedback/complaints and going back to more BF4-style where Engie gets PDW and Support is more of a heavy gunner with LMG makes sense. It's just that Assault is a really selfish medic in 2042 instead of a team medic lol
lusty temple
Don't get how assault get literal medpens while us support are still stuck with defilabrators
spiral folio
Like if i was firced to pick 1 class to give ammo itd be the guy that spams shots
wild marlin
ok yall clearly cannot cope with a support using anything other than an LMG so lets make it simple
have the LMG's handling buffed
cuz that'll make it better at CQB
spiral folio
Why would you use a lmg close range
arctic grove
Just make them classes like bf4 for God's sake they were the best periodt
spiral folio
No cause you dont do revives
lusty temple
Assault shouldve gotten shield plates or ammo boxes
solid imp
Just make them classes like bf4 for God's sake they were the best periodt
support with LMG is 🙂
wild marlin
what a genius
arctic grove
Stilk
arctic grove
Still
jovial jay
Im playing bf1 rn and they give support all kind of option, mid range, long range, suppression, precision,...
pine roost
Although support now consists of the medic role, which an lmg doesn’t really benefit
spiral folio
Hard to handle gun with a lot of ammo can provide sustained fire in a narrow area......
Obviously a close range weapon!
wild marlin
Although support now consists of the medic role, which an lmg doesn’t really ben...
literally
lusty temple
Support should have smg proficiency imo
wild marlin
assaults use to have the medic role
dusk forum
Support should have SMG or Utility
solid imp
That implies engineer should get LMG then?
dusk forum
Yeah?
wild marlin
Support should have smg proficiency imo
literally what im saying
wild marlin
That implies engineer should get LMG then?
no
jovial jay
That implies engineer should get LMG then?
Yes, should pair it with even more utility
wild marlin
🤦♂️
calm bison
I could see support getting utility proficiencies with weapons like shotguns
rocky remnant
Lookin for squad up im Spotter (infantry)
spiral folio
Like tankers have smgs sometime
wild marlin
fuck it, supports get pistol proficiency
spiral folio
Or infiltration teams
solid imp
Okay let's all take a moment to appreciate that we're all arguing about the merits or problems of a decision based purely on Battlefield logic and not "is the game made by a candy crush guy" problems
arctic grove
It also should be changed that the weapons the player can use are class specified unlike now
calm bison
Recons should get DMR and Sniper proficiencies except for the BSV
spiral folio
I say we tie up the mod for interrupting. Bring him to the sacrifice pit. And we'll have a bountiful harvest
jovial jay
They had it right at previous games tbh, even for the star wars project
calm bison
Move the BSV to the Assault Rifle category
solid imp
Eh I'm out of excuses to start my workout anyway lol
magic bloom
Since when the fuck could the rams APS block tank shells
solid imp
Sacrifice away
jovial jay
spiral folio
Eh I'm out of excuses to start my workout anyway lol
Cookies
wild marlin
Since when the fuck could the rams APS block tank shells
it shouldn't be able to
arctic grove
Okay let's all take a moment to appreciate that we're all arguing about the meri...
But I'm sorry it feel like that it has been made by a candy crush guy lol
magic bloom
It blocked 4 out of the 6 I shot at it
arctic grove
It doesn’t suprise me the APS blocks tank shells since a large part of tank fights in BF4 were getting the suprise attack then popping APS
wild marlin
did u record it
wild marlin
rams really bad for infantry
spiral folio
The missile turret is my favorite in that
wild marlin
not too bad for other vehicles
calm bison
The CRAB controls like shit
Tanks have felt better as of late
But the Panhard still feels impossible to control
jovial jay
Bf is full of weird shid anyway I once scored a direct hit to a heli with my tank cannon and it didnt even do anything
spiral folio
Cause transports are op
magic bloom
It doesn’t suprise me the APS blocks tank shells since a large part of tank figh...
They never blocked tank shells back then or I never remember them doing it
calm bison
Bf is full of weird shid anyway <:CursedCat:869694866752405554> I once scored a ...
One time I was playing BFV flying the P70 on Panzerstorm. A Tiger lined up the shot on me for a perfect kill and it dusted me
It hit but did no damage
spiral folio
Probably the gdamn helo too
wild marlin
They never blocked tank shells back then or I never remember them doing it
bf4 aps stopped tank rounds
arctic grove
Bf is full of weird shid anyway <:CursedCat:869694866752405554> I once scored a ...
Hitregister?
It's kinda broke.
jovial jay
It hit but did no damage
spiral folio
Anyway. Yea the hind
calm bison
In order for tanks to get good in this game they need APS and also this class rework will help
spiral folio
Those can take a moronic beating. Hide for 30s. Back like nothing happened
calm bison
It is significantly harder to get up close to a tank to throw C5 rather than a Gustav
Also Javelin
magic bloom
bf4 aps stopped tank rounds
I never remember it doing that
calm bison
Part of me really wants the SMAW in AOW
wild marlin
probably because no one ever used it for tank fights
I literally only ever saw it in operation locker
magic bloom
It shouldn’t be able to block tank shells unless they’re shot from super far away
arctic grove
It is significantly harder to get up close to a tank to throw C5 rather than a G...
Not really even a noob like me can manage that at times
wild marlin
to eat grenades and rocket launchers
calm bison
I literally only ever saw it in operation locker
Operation locker doesn’t have tanks
wild marlin
but it has explosives
calm bison
AFAIK BF4 doesn’t have a trophy system of any kind for infantry
arctic grove
Operation locker doesn’t have tanks
Thank god imagine that massacre 🤣
calm bison
Locker does have quad bikes tho
wild marlin
if you're telling me you've never been blown up on locker you're lying
jovial jay
Eh locker isnt explosive enough, try Argonne with 15 supports spamming mortar
wild marlin
remember field upgrades?
jovial jay
arctic grove
My field upgrades always got ganked by the local AEK sweat
calm bison
Eh locker isnt explosive enough, try Argonne with 15 supports spamming mortar
Operation Metro
On Hardcore
wild marlin
bf4 really was perfect 😢
jovial jay
Mm bf3 metro
calm bison
bf4 really was perfect 😢
Not really
wild marlin
Not really
bf4 as it is now, damn near perfect imo
arctic grove
BF4 theme and endgame content is peak
wild marlin
end round win theme
calm bison
bf4 as it is now, damn near perfect imo
On Xbox it’s just 24/7 Shanghai, Locker, or Golmud servers
wild marlin
well im on pc 😛
arctic grove
BF4 and 1 are my favorites for how they executed their themes and how much content they got
calm bison
There is little reason to play nothing except engineer on most vehicle maps
Attack Helicopter spam
arctic grove
I actually got dawnbreaker a little bit ago
jovial jay
BF4 and 1 are my favorites for how they executed their themes and how much conte...
I have yet to experience all the map in bf1 but every single one seems so good
arctic grove
Some servers still do rotates
arctic grove
I have yet to experience all the map in bf1 but every single one seems so good
I liked the naval maps two in particular lemme google them
calm bison
To this day I have only played one game on Lost Islands
Same goes for Carrier Assault
I got lucky to find a server that had players for that
calm bison
Heligoland goes hard
jovial jay
Monte grappa would be good, if it wasnt for those artillery truck camping from far away just spamming endless machinegun shots on the giant cannon capture
wild marlin
bring back mortar
jovial jay
They literally camp at the end of the map just spraying lmg
calm bison
Here are my favorite maps from BF1
Base Game
-Amiens
-Ballroom Blitz
TSNP
-FDV
-Nivelle Nights
ITNOTS
-Brusilov Keep
TT
-Zeebrugge
-Heligoland Bight
APOC
-River Somme
I could play those maps all day
jovial jay
Verdunne is awesome
calm bison
I always forget that Verdun Heights is a map in BF1
jovial jay
Too bad we dont have those in 2042 lol, maybe except for the canadian map, I forgot
Exposure?
calm bison
Yes
spiral folio
Ballroom blitz with 2042 stuff
jovial jay
Yes that map is really nice, if it wasnt for the lack of US air to air vehicle in breakthrough 
Has exposure been updated with US air vehicle?
calm bison
Would really love to have Zeebrugge or Heligoland in 2042
jovial jay
For the first phase
spiral folio
2042 tank hunter kit with active camo cloak and some hypersonic vehicle gun
arctic grove
Oh speaking of breakthrough
spiral folio
So fast it makes the rail look slow
jovial jay
I got so pissed off at that map I decided to delete 2042 for bf1
arctic grove
Kaleidoscope BT defenders went from 2 light vehicles to literally nothing
jovial jay
Russian side has heli that terrorize everything at the first phase
jovial jay
2042 tank hunter kit with active camo cloak and some hypersonic vehicle gun
That sounds like a 2142 thing
spiral folio
Ukraine has em just about
calm bison
ELC EVEN 90 in 2042 when
spiral folio
14.5mm sniper with 7km range
jovial jay
I remember playing 4 matches straight in exposure as the US when the map release, never got through the first phase since their heli camp at sky peak
And US only have hope and dream against them 
spiral folio
Jets are already pointless
jovial jay
Naw, I use jet all the time
spiral folio
Pointlessly
jovial jay
To combat ground vehicle camper
calm bison
Jets can be pretty useful when you know how to use them
spiral folio
Ive seen 0 jets used well then
jovial jay
Effective for team pushing against those pesky bolte
calm bison
They can be pretty effective against choppers if you use the 25mm
calm bison
Ive seen 0 jets used well then
Watch Cope_More on YouTube
spiral folio
I use lis rockets vs bolte
sharp marten
Jets are already pointless
How so? I’ve seen jets body helis they’re pretty useful
spiral folio
I mean its easy to not die in a jet since they can loiter out of range and escape at 2000mph
jovial jay
They are MASSIVE trolls if they decided to stalk you and beam you down
calm bison
Nightbirds are hard to aim for but if you get a SOFLAM read on them they will not survive two ATGMs
jovial jay
I mean for jets
spiral folio
One jet harassed our incompetent AA hellcat so many times i ended up beaning the jet eith a lis rocket
calm bison
It’s also really fun to bully Hinds
jovial jay
I have been trolled by nightbirds bully twice lol
calm bison
City maps are the best for the F-35 ATM
arctic grove
One jet harassed our incompetent AA hellcat so many times i ended up beaning the...
Noob AA players
calm bison
Since it can weave in between buildings and VTOL it disrupts lines of sight and prevents the SU-57 from having a good angle
jovial jay
And uh... Tried to be once too then I see why they do that, its too easy to annoy or even destroy jet as a stalking nightbird
spiral folio
It was a bad AA vs a worse jet
calm bison
I can never use the night bird because it’s so squirrely and someone always has a lock on whenever I go up in the air
jovial jay
I can never use the night bird because it’s so squirrely and someone always has ...
Go reallllyyy high up lol, then piss off some jets
spiral folio
You have to hug the ground pretty much
jovial jay
Now you have your enemy to play with
calm bison
You would think that a chopper this maneuverable would be able to dodge missiles left and right but nope
spiral folio
Which sucks for everyone thst spawns on it
jovial jay
Or you could do mad maneuver to evade lock on
calm bison
I usually try for those but it’s difficult
spiral folio
Like "eh can you go more than 10ft off the ground so i can get off this damn thing"
jovial jay
Not easy but it feels awesome when it works
You thought nightbirds got bullied by AA? Try being a transport you're literally a big target practice if your crew cant aim or out of optimal firing range
spiral folio
Transports deserve no sympathy
calm bison
Go into flight mode and go to the top of the map
Logistically you possess no attack power
But the enemy doesn’t have a reason to go up that high except for jets
spiral folio
When the transports stop being flying tanks I'll consider caring about their concerns
calm bison
Allows for your Allies to spawn on you and safely drop on the enemy gimmes
Unless your team is stupid and doesn’t spawn on you
jovial jay
I play condor in jet mode all the time to act as a spawn beacon for parachuters
arctic grove
Unless your team is stupid and doesn’t spawn on you
average squad
calm bison
We had a game on Discarded where this trick allowed us to win
You could also just go crazy taxi mode
jovial jay
Lol
jovial jay
The 50mm is probably why most people hate them
jovial jay
I do that with the MAV all the time in hourglass
Except I move all the time
To avoid c5 drone
calm bison
Can we make tank and air superiority permanent
jovial jay
calm bison
Dude tank superiority is so fun
mental delta
Go into flight mode and go to the top of the map
Useful in breakthrough especially no ?
calm bison
Useful in breakthrough especially no ?
I guess
jovial jay
I love seeing a successful MAV deployment right next to the enemy flank
Until some casper c5 drone it
Eh
calm bison
But tank superiority gives you a reason to use the TOR
mental delta
Until some casper c5 drone it
You can't spawn in when it has been caspered ?
calm bison
You can’t even c5 Casper anymore
jovial jay
Really?
calm bison
It’s so slow
mental delta
C5 on drones has been disabled for a while now I think
calm bison
Putting c5 on your drone slows it down
jovial jay
Oh man
calm bison
Making it virtually useless
calm bison
This happened a while ago
spiral folio
It wouldn't be faair to use drones how they're being actually used in combat
jovial jay
That was goofy fun but in an extended usage
calm bison
Like mid s2
jovial jay
It becomes frustrating to deal with
jovial jay
So now I can stop panicking over randomly exploded vehicle?
jovial jay
I know 2042 was suppose to be easier in term of dealing with vehicle but... Casper c5 drone is a super cheap tactic
I either use tank to push alongside team or MAV to help the team spawn, so this should make the experience less frustrating
dusk forum
Tor is fun
jovial jay
Whats Tor
magic bloom
It is Til he’s got 15 people protecting him and you can’t kill it
hybrid totem
c5 drone had its place, but people would over-fucking-use it like crazy
magic bloom
They need to bring it back just for the railgun tank
If it’s gonna be able to sit in spawn (which is playing to its strengths sure) then it needs a counter like that
spiral folio
Tor as in Thor
dusk forum
I love how the Tor just
radiant prism
c5 drone had its place, but people would over-fucking-use it like crazy
It needed to be more counterable
hybrid totem
It needed to be more counterable
just make it so you can only put one c5 on it, boom
radiant prism
just make it so you can only put one c5 on it, boom
There’s still next to nothing a tank can do about that
hybrid totem
but one c5 just makes you move
I could see an argument for 2 c5
but three is just... boring. because it's a video game, meant to be fun
jovial jay
I usually just soflam the vehicle then tell the team to please just whip out your rocket launcher
grizzled blaze
i wish PS5 would let me do speech to text for the text chat so i dont have to spend five minutes telling people to get on the point
when i can just shout it and let it turn into text
spiral folio
Just dont bother saying it cause it turns out thats like the least helpful thing to say constantly
magic bloom
I forgot how much I used to love flying the Apache
spiral folio
Its the npc level of thing to say in a bf game
arctic grove
c5 drone had its place, but people would over-fucking-use it like crazy
I’d be willing to say it was nothing more than unintentional
There was no real effective counter to it because people flew the drones up so high to avoid spotting, and as a tank you have 500 other things to worry about so you’d just see the little shit drone fall onto your tank and you were dead
It has no real place in this game and with how much shit tanks already have to deal with we absolutely don’t need drones with tiny hitboxes carrying C5s either
hexed mango
heyyyy dice, how about we uh release 3.2 
magic bloom
I made the tanks crush my drone so they detonated the C5 themselves lol
arctic grove
magic bloom
I mean it’s not my fault you ran over the C5
arctic grove
I just think it’s ridiculous to say c5 drones “had a place” in the game, meanwhile they were almost entirely uncounterable nor detectable
It’s an especially poorly aged take with Lis being added into the game
And I absolutely refuse to elaborate, there’s no thinking of “well we could balance it with 1 C5!”
fuck no
eager spire
C5 drones had a place in the game
here's the thing, c4 drones have never had a place in a BF game. They were possible back in the BF3 beta. You know what DICE's response to that was? Patch that shit out.
edgy oriole
i only c5 droned when the enemy would use all their vehicles and camp their spawn.
eager spire
Because nobody likes it. It's not fun to play against.
arctic grove
i only c5 droned when the enemy would use all their vehicles and camp their spaw...
I’m not mad at anyone using it tbh, if it’s there and works then why not, i just generally think it was an ‘exploit’
spiral folio
They should make a bigger drone for that though
edgy oriole
i agree it kills gameplay and fluidity when people just automatically use it to one shot a vehicle on the obj, but if there is a tank camp peaaking a corner in their spawn completely untouchable then it was free game imo
spiral folio
Like a teeny weeny drone carrying a bomb that big. Nah
edgy oriole
which is weird bc i dont see that much anymore
arctic grove
Lis made them all snipe
edgy oriole
i think it was just a 128bt problem
spiral folio
Good
arctic grove
>C5 drones had a place in the game
here's the thing, c4 drones have never had a...
That’s a good point too
eager spire
They should make a bigger drone for that though
consider this: don't
arctic grove
i think it was just a 128bt problem
I can say 128bt had some really bad vehicle balancing honestly, which is another reason why it was so fun I think attackers got 2 attack vehicles?
Which maybe wouldn’t suck as much if DICE didn’t take vehicles from defenders for like whatever reason
spiral folio
Cargo drones are sized in accordance to the load so like youd either need to size up a bigger drone or use a smaller bomb. But like a drone with like a wiwpinky grenade wont do much
eager spire
yeah but also i think DICE had the right idea when they decided to not have that in the game at all
spiral folio
Probably for the best since its kinda bs
arctic grove
I made the tanks crush my drone so they detonated the C5 themselves lol
Battlefield moment
magic bloom
Fr
spiral folio
Youd have to size jt accordingly or limit it somehow
Like if you had a suicide drone you'd put in a launcher but it had to make contact. And you could make it always moving but give it a time limit
earnest wyvern
what was the fix?
tacit cloak
Is Friday night BF just like a single server or
left badge
when do we get new drones
hybrid totem
i only c5 droned when the enemy would use all their vehicles and camp their spaw...
this is the place in the game I was talking about
naive magnet
spiral folio
60
vocal zenith
pastel fern
Just got a copy of 2042 for PS5. Why is it installing as if it's a digital game?
spiral folio
Probably doesnt have much real data + updates on the disk
pastel fern
Crazy. I bought the physical edition so I wouldn't have to wait as long to play
spiral folio
Maybe it won't take as long but theres been a lot added since release
pastel fern
60 hrs left 🫠
spiral folio
Get bigger internets
pastel loom
at least get an ethernet
arctic grove
pine roost
my cousin buys games for his xbox but it just downloads a digital copy
spiral folio
Man i hate horse snack
pine roost
as far as I know physical games these days are basically just gift cards
spiral folio
Some are
The fallout76 physical pc copy was a piece of disk shaped paper with a code
pine roost
lol
spiral folio
Some have a disc still but theres barely any data
And even if it has the full game, itll need updates
hexed mango
Just got a copy of 2042 for PS5. Why is it installing as if it's a digital game?
cause it is a digital game. cd is just the registry key.
hexed mango
Ahh fuck yeah got myself the p90
vault weapon 
timid hearth
chilly jacinth
base conquest is 128
hexed mango
nah dice decided this week to remove CQ normal and instead have Seasons Cq and Infantry CQ
Seasons CQ is 128p CQ but only on the season maps (exposure, stranded, spearhead)
Infantry CQ is infantry
half moat
sa
quaint vector
I'm sure that Classic Conquest will be back
wild marlin
@hybrid totem rather crash than die huh
hybrid totem
what?
wild marlin
ur playing on stranded rn
sharp marten
vault weapon <:goblinwtf:1043395428621766707>
wild marlin
way to call me out like that though
my pilot and I were kinda pressed u deprived us of the kill
hybrid totem
you're talking about something that happened like an hour ago
hybrid totem
Were you making a point, or just pointing out my lack of skill
remote kiln
<@481339901842030602> rather crash than die huh
that's not cool dude
arctic grove
I can’t tell if they’re friends or if they’re just fucking with him
kindred flint
i got killed by a 1911...what the fuck
icy flicker
Is it possible to put sentry and barricades in an elevator? Just brainstorming ideas
kindred flint
youre not supposed to die to trash guns though 
tardy tree
you know what im gonna say next
kindred flint
cringe worthy comment?
tardy tree
ion really care
theyre the same as all the other guns just painfully unbalanced but in a bad way
they need to be reworked
arctic grove
So you aren’t alone Mac
kindred flint
I lowkey also get pissed dying to vault weapons
me but when i use the m240 and it goes full potato on me 
kindred flint
it somehow can simultaneous laser people at range...then completely miss at close range
willow sky
genuinely surprised anyone would get pissed from dying over a gun in this game
kindred flint
but most of the time when im using it all i think is "almost every other lmg is better than this.."
short forum
kinda wished DICE expanded on the Exodus and Lore of 2042 more
kindred flint
we got lore through limited time mode loading screens now
remote kiln
Is it possible to put sentry and barricades in an elevator? Just brainstorming i...
not inside, they're blocked from that area, can put them at the top and bottom though
placid echo
So, here I am, have worked on a mode for about half a year now.
Totally forgot to add Stranded to the map-list or even code for it
hybrid totem
I can’t tell if they’re friends or if they’re just fucking with him
not that I know of
arctic grove
I bail out of vehicles all the time negl
hybrid totem
I don't bail, but I don't crash before they can get the kill either
arctic grove
At this point it’s reflexive
grave prism
infantry conquest is so shit why they putting 128 people on the big layout of maps
so boring, running all the time
royal trail
i want a new penguine xmas background, can some dice please give as late xmas gift
i used the last one all year
😦
arctic grove
infantry conquest is so shit why they putting 128 people on the big layout of ma...
Its shit cuz they even took out light vehicles
royal trail
u can still drive those random teslas tho?
arctic grove
yeah but i think it makes a huge difference if they at least allowed the light vehicles
solar obsidian
ea launcher still dont show my games, deleting chache did shit 😄
arctic grove
I had bad luck and played Breakaway, Hourglass and Kalidescope 128 Infantry
solar obsidian
ea are the only one to have 4 different launchers, and they fucked the last one, that takes some effort
arctic grove
EA moment
royal trail
to pc they discontinued origin and went all out for ea app no?
solar obsidian
yes
royal trail
cool
solar obsidian
i just want to play battlefield lol
patent prism
Man, subsonic ammo and suppressors are so underrated.
The amount of times you get someone twisting and turning around into every imaginable direction in 3D space is hysterical.
royal trail
my soundcard is supposed to have some beta feature who track where sounds come from on a radar
never used it tho
but would that be bannable?
hybrid totem
How would your soundcard be able to utilize info from inside a game
patent prism
I would avoid using it.