battlefield-2042

[hexed mango]

and omg UE has so many utility functions built in that it kinda does 90% of the work for you

[last swift]

I think visual scripting is good for shaders like shader graph in unity, because its very accessible

[hoary frigate]

bf2042 devs need to port in bf1 maps for exodus conquest. it cant be that hard its just height maps and textures

[arctic grove]

It isn’t that easy either

[hexed mango]

bro does not understand game dev

[hexed mango]

yeah makes sense.

[median tusk]

Two different engines, plus porting is not easy

[hoary frigate]

arent most of dices old maps made using world creator?

[hexed mango]

wouldnt change that its a completely different engine to process the maps.

you cannot just copy and paste the existing bf1 map to 2042.

[hoary frigate]

the map file formatting would be simular. could be converted with houdini

[hexed mango]

encoded and rendered differently by the new engine

[median tusk]

@hoary frigate Some assets were reused from BFV-BF1 for the portal maps of 1942, that is why you see they have a higher amount of detail yet they look worse because of the whole way frostbite engine was configured around 2042

photogametry really can be magic in making things feel more real

[ebon pilot]

UE5 needs to release their new scripting language and stop talking about it in relation to the metaverse because I swear to god it's going to give me a fucking aneurism

[vestal grove]

Dice does not understand game dev either with the shit they produce

[arctic grove]

And yet, you're here.... ironic.

[tough folio]

how the hell do you avoid the shitass radar missiles

[mental cave]

holy shit i learned c# in high school and forgot all about it

its the only coding language i know

[hoary frigate]

wen frostbite open source

[ebon pilot]

never

[median tusk]

That won't happen

[spiral folio]

patents last 17 years so

good luck

[remote kiln]

frostbite is not patented, it's under copyright protection

it will never be open source

[spiral folio]

the name is copyrighted, the system is patented

[hexed mango]

i concur.

[hexed mango]

lol

ok guys what should i eat for dinner

[median tusk]

chicken nuggets

[last swift]

Pizza without pineapple

[remote kiln]

frostbite is not patented, it cannot be patented

[spiral folio]

functional programming is

[remote kiln]

dude

the engine was built on intellectual IP

it's not a raw invention

[spiral folio]

that's not the same thing

[last swift]

Correct

[remote kiln]

I don't think you understand what patenting software actually means

[spiral folio]

the models and art are copyright, the program is patent

[remote kiln]

no

stop making things up

[spiral folio]

functional properties are patent law creative content is copyright

[remote kiln]

dude please do your due diligence and understand what the word patent means in relation to software

because you are entirely wrong

and stop assuming things when it's factually wrong

[spiral folio]

this is why nintendo created its own emulation for its systems to re-release games is so they can patent the emulation technology used to run those old system games

[remote kiln]

no it's why you have 0 idea what you're talking about, because Nintendo built their own software, frostbite was not built from scratch

[spiral folio]

well golly wolly that's wut the dun show't us in engineerin school

[remote kiln]

fucking hell

you cannot patent something that DEPENDS on IP

[spiral folio]

maybe ai's dun stud'yt pateent laws as parta mah stupud ol engineerun dugreah

[ebon pilot]

spaghetti

[spiral folio]

but am jus a seemple ol baux pushar in raral noweurrr"

[remote kiln]

good then stop making up stuff

simple as

[spiral folio]

patent is for function, copyright is for form

[remote kiln]

no

dude

please

stop

you cannot talk your way out of this

[spiral folio]

you have this crazy notion that everything I say is just wrong, but appearance and creative content is copyright

[remote kiln]

yeah because it's entirely made up, incorrect, and has been been wrong since patents came into existence

[spiral folio]

ie mickey mouse is copyright because they literally lobbied to have copyright laws extended so they could monopolize it more

[remote kiln]

you are saying words that aren't true and hoping it sticks

[spiral folio]

copyright and patent used to both be very short durations but disney is literally the reason that copyright extends for like 70+ years

[remote kiln]

ok dude I'm going to spell this out for you

[spiral folio]

shut up

[remote kiln]

it's going to be simple as learning school mathematics

[spiral folio]

good even you'll understand it then

you can get the copyright from the copyright office, it's literally open records

[remote kiln]

patents are raw inventions - key word here, raw, software is not raw inventions, they are codependent on already existing IP which has been built over decades, now, Mickey mouse the IP is a creative artistic invention, there is nothing else like it and it's existence didn't depend on anything, the frostbite engine is dependent on numerous pieces of already existed technologies which were developed years before it's time which have been patented, and as such, it is not a raw invention, and doesn't have a patent

[spiral folio]

raw

you betrayed the raw

[median tusk]

Deco just leave his ignorance be, no point on wasting your life on this

[kindred flint]

@hexed mango lul...imagine playing tac grind, but dont know what capturing flags are... 10/10 start to that discarded match

[median tusk]

you never win agaisnt an ignorant

[spiral folio]

I know patent laws already

[last swift]

My brain following this chat at 3 A.M. 🥹

[spiral folio]

there's no such thing as a raw invention

[remote kiln]

it's not that it's ignorance

it's just made up with fake confidence

[median tusk]

true

[remote kiln]

"let me say something that is totally false and say it's true"

[spiral folio]

you could literally apply to patent anything as long as the function doesn't overlap the function of a previously covered device, plant of form

[kindred flint]

wtf..did someone literally spawn next to me

[spiral folio]

plant patents are either a new hybrid, created plant, or grafting two species together

[remote kiln]

can you please enlighten this chat and the patent office why a majority of patents are rejected then?

[tough folio]

bmacs first time not using an emoji

[remote kiln]

because you're making up so much bull that you seemingly know more than patent designers

[spiral folio]

because they overlap functionality or aren't descriptive enough of what makes the patent unique and replicable

[remote kiln]

no.. it's because it INFRINGES on patents

[spiral folio]

in the olden days you had to also include a .. literally what i said

[hoary frigate]

maybe some day portal will become so advanced it will allow creators to port in custom terrain kinda like how arma 3 lets users create terrain using industry software such as worldcreator/worldmachine

[spiral folio]

anyway

you also had to include a miniature model in the old days but they gave that up

"because they overlap functionality or aren't descriptive enough of what makes the patent unique and replicable"

exactly what I said

overlapping functionality is literally infringing on the other patent

I just used better words

maybe patent law should just be a hobby

[remote kiln]

I hate so say it but, very doubtful

[spiral folio]

infringement on a patent means it performs the function in the same manner as the patent

[remote kiln]

lol

that's what you think it means

because you're always correct, clearly

[spiral folio]

so like a good example of similar functions with different mechanisms is like how bolt action rifles were originally produced very different

like the different between mauser action and mosin actions

they perform the same "task" but the mechanism is different enough to not infringe on the same patent

[remote kiln]

portal is probably dead as far as future games go

I don't see it existing in the next game

[kindred flint]

who are you again?

[spiral folio]

it would be nice if they gave portal more love (options)

and eras

add some modern combat from bf2, some modern combat from bf3, some modern combat from bf4, ah man and some modern combat from bad company, and some modern combat from bc2, and some modern combat stuff from playforfree even

what'd i miss

ah some modern combat police stuff from hardline

maybe some semi-modern combat stuff from vietnam

[last swift]

BF1 🥹

[spiral folio]

they wont add bf1 cause it probably still sells even

ie why mario allstars didn't have super mario world on it

or why the zelda disc had 1, 2... ocarina and majora on it but not LttP because zelda four swords was a new release at the time

bf heroes vs bf modern :V?

-launch lis rocket at plane with guys sitting on the wings-
-gunner activates "i eat grenades" and blocks it-
-plane loops and wing clips the player on the ground-

"woopwoop heyoo"

[dire quest]

So make vehicles even more op? Lol

[spiral folio]

bf heroes vehicles were very forgiving on stuff like planes scraping the ground

you'd glance off the ground at some pretty high angles

[dire quest]

Planes shouldn't have an ability to block rockets

[spiral folio]

nah they dont

but the player on the wing had the "I eat grenades" ability which is a temporary ability to absorb incoming explosives

[dire quest]

No such thing should exist for balancing reasons

[spiral folio]

the function is kinda like the active protection system except it also heals the user

it was bf heroes

it lasted like... maybe 20s

the soldier class had an ability to smack away vehicles with a shockwave, idea being you knock a tank into an area it sinks or gets stuck

snipers had proximity bombs

[stiff pollen]

BF heroes came out too early

[spiral folio]

or literally turning invisible, and then like a smoke screen/run away ability

[dire quest]

So make battlefield more into a hero shooter?

[spiral folio]

yea really did

[stiff pollen]

Imagine that shit launching in 2014

Or 2017

[spiral folio]

if BF heroes came out today it'd have done better

it woulda beaten fortnite maybe

[stiff pollen]

It would’ve ruined this franchise tho

You know they’d never make a serious military shooter again if heroes popped off

[spiral folio]

oh no we wouldn't have an 18th modern combat "with some future stuff" again

the sad thing is heroes was successful EA just cold turkey'd their cash shop stuff

which the fact 2042 does cash shop makes it EVEN MORE ironic

[stiff pollen]

I played heroes a bit back when it was still officially supported

Honestly if Child me knew what IP it was

I’d have played it more

[spiral folio]

I kinda wish it'd get a 2nd chance, but i'm afraid they'd ruin my memory of it

I used to load heroes onto a jump drive and play it on campus

[stiff pollen]

I never was smart enough to do that

[bitter skiff]

c'mon, yes you were 😉

[next onyx]

Portal shouldn't return considering how abused it is by the community.

[kindred flint]

restrictions are too hard to place on it apparently

[arctic grove]

The way I see it, since I don’t know how it’s builder works as far as code goes at all, I was always hyped for it since it could act as a mini “remaster” of old games

Like I’d finally know what people are taking about when they mention BF maps before BF4

[kindred flint]

I still cant get over it being a different "game"... why does it have an entirely different weapons handling system

[spiral folio]

i don't think portal should be xp farms but like.... name a bf without xp farms

it'd have to be a bf without xp

[kindred flint]

i dont think previous games had...literal "stand in the circle and spam emps at each other" type farms though

[hexed mango]

i agree

[spiral folio]

you don't think so?

cause i know otherwise

[kindred flint]

there are some pretty clear cut abuses going on lol...but realistically you dont need to abuse this shit if you have above room temp iq and play the battle pass

[spiral folio]

maybe not literally emps but just as bad

[hexed mango]

i mean the way portal abuses it though is just different.

[arctic grove]

2042 time

I really need to quit procrastinating on this BP. I preordered and got the Y1 pass dammit, ima get my premium tiers

[hexed mango]

i mean yes obviously custom servers in the past have had similar things

[arctic grove]

I just

Can’t stop being addicted to MW2 kill dopamine

[spiral folio]

farming xp past like the last level you need to unlock stuff is just pointless anyway

[kindred flint]

sucks you cant be addicted to mw2s gunsmith

[hexed mango]

but the fact that its being propped up by the servers ea is providing, allowing everyone to access and create it, is worse.

[arctic grove]

I hit the bullet and I make tacticool shit despite the cons

I mainly ADS corners anyways or lock down at angles for a bit

[kindred flint]

damn...what stage of denial is this?

[arctic grove]

[spiral folio]

joe-nial

[arctic grove]

In all seriousness I rarely if ever play aggressive in MW2 so I spend a lot of time scanning and playing like I’m on a seal team 6 raid

[ebon pilot]

so what you're saying is they should make it so you have to pay to create portal experiences?

[next onyx]

Different dev team completely separated from the main front.

Which lead to completely different guns.

[kindred flint]

yes but...why the fuck was it ever a thing?? you give both dev teams the same building blocks

[hexed mango]

no, im saying get rid of portal as a system to abuse xp, its impossible to totally remove it, but tbh the best way might be not having fully custom servers.

[bitter skiff]

Also set in an uncertain future

[next onyx]

Yeah I wonder how it lead to that.

[hexed mango]

the annoying thing is that its fun to create custom experiences, and ik a lot of people would complain that they cant make their 128p Rush HC server

[next onyx]

It's almost as if the two teams on 2042 just never worked together.

[hexed mango]

idk its a difficult challenge to overcome

maybe if dice had an actual server browser this wouldnt be an issue

[ebon pilot]

why not just separate portal progression from aow progression

[next onyx]

I think DICE stopped caring about moderating portal.

[kindred flint]

thats exactly what happened with all of 2042 though

[hexed mango]

that is smart as well

but then nobody would use portal

[next onyx]

They're not taking down servers like they said they would.

That or people just don't care.

[hexed mango]

like how nobody plays the custom or ai modes

[kindred flint]

tbf why should they care about modding it anymore when they know the games support is about to be pulled...oop i mean what

[next onyx]

I've heard that there are issues that can come through but are never reported on because the tester doesn't care.

[hexed mango]

lol

ok should i get pizza for dinner

[next onyx]

Definitely.

I always get Pepperoni with Jalapenos.

[kindred flint]

slather your keyboard in pizza grease then try to play

[next onyx]

I would feel sorry for the keyboard.

[hexed mango]

i left in like the first minute lol

[hexed mango]

pepperoni + bacon

[kindred flint]

(well yeah i left after a couple mins and it was clear this team was only going to camp the edge of our 1 cap)

next game i had some unreal fucking rubber banding...not sure if my internet was taking a dump or the server was absolute garbage

[next onyx]

Oh yeah Echo you saw that Snowball clip haha.

[cyan trout]

As a division 2 player separating progression is tough to balance. PvP ruins the PvE and vice versa

[bitter skiff]

yeah, whats powering these servers? Chipmunks on treadmills?

[ebon pilot]

Honestly they need a way to control the direction of the AI and make the AI somewhat programmable. Like zombies with default AI is ok, but it's very easy to exploit the AI's weaknesses. If the experience editor allowed us to tap into behavior it'd might make it easier to remove some of those weaknesses.

But to do that they'd need an actual fucking programming language because there's no way in hell I'm writing that kind of behavior with fucking code blocks

[cyan trout]

Potatoes on treadmills

[stiff pollen]

If they remove portal I’ll quit.

[next onyx]

I would put my lego cars on treadmills.

[stiff pollen]

Straight up I’m NOT playing this game without portal afk XP

[mental cave]

[hexed mango]

would be so cool

custom pathfinding

what about map editing

would be really really neat lol

[bitter skiff]

boing-zoing

[hexed mango]

but it looks like EA Gothenberg can barely handle making portal in the first place

[mental cave]

any gun loadout recommendations? i wanna beam people and im just not doing it anymore with the scar

[hexed mango]

m5

pbx

pp

lcmg

[next onyx]

AC42 is a good ranged assault rifle.

But so is the m16a3.

[hexed mango]

bsv

[arctic grove]

Yeah I’m pretty bored with the scar and m5 since I T1d them

I’m thinking about using the ak24

[mental cave]

ill try the ac42

[next onyx]

I'll give the SCAR another play when 3.2 comes out.

[mental cave]

what attachment u run?

[hexed mango]

still havent T1'd the scar... i just keep bouncing around between guns and never sticking with one

[next onyx]

AC42? Uh.

[hexed mango]

im really close to T1 PBX but just havent actually committed

[arctic grove]

AC42 used to hit some serious shots

[next onyx]

Standard barrel, STNR laser sight. Standard extended and fusion holo.

[hexed mango]

single or burst

[arctic grove]

In semi I could’ve swore I remembered like 3-4 shots dropping people

[next onyx]

You can run Arcom / warhawk too.

[ebon pilot]

Portal could be an amazing experience. It's just so half-assed it's not that great in practice now. No doubt a lot of it is engine limitations but still

[hexed mango]

i 100% agree.

[magic bloom]

I’ve been enjoying the 12M

Full auto shotty go brrrrr

[hexed mango]

Portal, on paper, is an amazing concept and 100% brought people excitement
However, limitations, either on engine, content pool, and/or accessibility, restricted it from living up to its potential.

[spiral folio]

oh hah man i was taking apart the old disk drive from my laptop from college

found my cod2 disk inside

[next onyx]

If all out warfare and portal were intertwined more people would be playing it.

Nice!

[hexed mango]

i concur

[next onyx]

You know. You open up a server browser and you see these custom servers making you more likely to open them.

[spiral folio]

it had to of been in there for like... 10 years

[next onyx]

So instead of your regularly broadcasted experience you can try something different that will actually have players in it.

[arctic grove]

That’s actually a cool idea

[next onyx]

24/7 Valparaiso? Yes. 24/7 Arica Harbour on BT? FUCK TO THE YES.

[magic bloom]

Yes

[mental cave]

i wish my servers were full of bots, would make procrastinating these BP challenges easier

[hexed mango]

and in my own opinion, while im partial to not actually knowing what goes on at dice, ripple, criterion, and the rest, i feel like the split between the groups in terms of focus, like dice -> aow, ripple -> portal, criterion -> hz, led to challenges for production
it is my personal consensus that if portal and aow were more focused on, instead of hz (as ive been saying since launch), both would have been much better.

HZ was kinda destined to fail. they should of known it wouldnt go well.

[next onyx]

I will say it. Arica harbour on BT was amazing.

[magic bloom]

It was

[next onyx]

Move to OCE.

[hexed mango]

nah that shit on rush is just annoying sometimes. i cant imagine bt would be any better

[arctic grove]

Do you guys think HZ would’ve been decent if it were f2p?

[magic bloom]

A lot of maps on rush are annoying

[next onyx]

You never really played Arica on BT?

[hexed mango]

cant say i have

but if its anything like rush, i wouldnt really be interested

[next onyx]

Dude. BT Arica was AMAZING. When they even allowed tanks it felt like a proper translation of Rush to BT.

[arctic grove]

I guess I ask since I’ve seen the success WZ has, while still being technically apart of an entire game with campaign, mp and spec/co op

[magic bloom]

Arica BT was extremely hot

[hexed mango]

shoulda kept og layouts for rush

or just made them better

[next onyx]

What you mean. The Arica harbour Rush layout is its original layout.,

[ebon pilot]

I think it was just the year and a half dev time

[hexed mango]

ok i shoulda worded that better, og layouts for stuff like cq on arica could work better for other modes, and other layouts for rush would of been better

[next onyx]

https://youtu.be/omC_mrPsreM

Oh yeah the original CQ layout for Arica was just A.

[hexed mango]

yeah.

would be nice and tight

[next onyx]

That was uh.

16v16?

I kind of like it's 64p layout I will admit.

They made something pretty decent out of something not even made for it.

[hexed mango]

well i think if they took the cq layout and extended it a tiny bit (not like how A sector is now) it would be more fun for rush

[next onyx]

Yeah it was like three points in sector A.

[hexed mango]

i dont love sector A on arica rush rn

[next onyx]

It can be a bit painful.

I do agree.

[magic bloom]

Or ya dude just shoots right through my shield

[next onyx]

Second sector isn't too bad.

Thankfully.

Oh shit that's right rush of the ages is playing right now isn't it.

That's a good chance to get your tour of duty cards.

[stiff pollen]

I frankly think dice doesn’t know how to balance games

[next onyx]

I fucking love Valparaiso attack, Get the Bradley and abuse people.

[magic bloom]

Bradley slaps so hard

Should add it to the main game

[hexed mango]

A sector on Arica, E sector on Val, A sector on Caspian (tbh the whole caspian rush layout is dogwater)
B sector on BT exposure, the entire Hourglass layout and map, discarded

stuff like that i dont like

(val mainly for 128p, the really tight entryway is annoying)

[next onyx]

I know what they can do for Caspian border on BT.

But they'll have to intertwine with its original rush layout.

[mental cave]

finna turn on my VPN

[next onyx]

Cause on Rush Caspian you charge straight from B to E to the base.

[hexed mango]

and A sector is massive

[magic bloom]

God damn do I love it when I’m the only one planting and protecting the MCOM

[next onyx]

Just keep in mind it's daylight here and the servers are almost dead during midnight which is in 10 hours.

[hexed mango]

Caspian layouts for rush dont make good use of the good parts of the map

[next onyx]

I know of a way to keep the pacing more compact on BT if they ever did it.

Yeah that's what annoyed me.

Sector 2 on BT could use D and C.

Sector 3 being E.

[stiff pollen]

Why would you VPN to OCE

[next onyx]

Sector 4 being the base.

Because late at night it's just bots.
But if you dare pay during these times the chances of sweats is high.

[stiff pollen]

Oh boy time to get farmer by Silk, ASHEBF and every Asian cheater

[next onyx]

Don't see silk too much.

[stiff pollen]

Ohhhh

True

[magic bloom]

Imagine seeing silk

[next onyx]

Nor Have I seen Ash.

[stiff pollen]

Didn’t think of that

[magic bloom]

America servers

[next onyx]

I played with Silk actually.

He's a cool dude.

[stiff pollen]

Honestly I leave the server if I see a twitch streamer at top of the leaderboard

[mental cave]

does battlefield have the same stupid ping thing that makes it so if you have horrendous ping you have an advantage?

[stiff pollen]

I don’t have the patience

[mental cave]

cus if it does im abusing it not even gonna lie

[next onyx]

Yeah it does some double compensate.

[stiff pollen]

It isn’t even a lack of skill I just don’t care enough to play that

[next onyx]

But only you will be affected.

[mental cave]

[next onyx]

Ash is just too busy raging over his scout heli being weak.

So that's kinda fun.

[stiff pollen]

scout heli isn’t even that weak

[next onyx]

I feel what it's like to be targeted but he just feeds it.

[magic bloom]

Scout heli is as weak as the pilot tbh

[mental cave]

i have a wilde in my game

[stiff pollen]

Which he’s an excellent pilot

[magic bloom]

I really need to stop expecting my teammates to play the objective in rush

Maybe then I’d enjoy it more

[stiff pollen]

Treat em like AI

Actually nah the AI are smarter

They actually will give ammo

[magic bloom]

At least the AI are sometimes helpful they’ll even repair your vehicle occasionally

[stiff pollen]

The ai straight up will do whatever if you use the comma rose

Except Revive cause it’s still bugged where their path finding for bodies is fucked

[bitter skiff]

"comma rose"???

[stiff pollen]

Original name for the Q menu

[hexed mango]

still is referred to as that

anyone use the second page of the commo rose

[stiff pollen]

Where you get cool hand animations

[hexed mango]

ye

[stiff pollen]

👍

[hexed mango]

super underused, i love doing the cool hand signs for giggles

[stiff pollen]

I forget cause I’m too busy killing brain dead controller players

[hexed mango]

but tbh its really hard to see when other teammates use the commo rose

like requesting ammo and meds obviously puts it over their head, but it'd be nice if we got a little more indication of them and perhaps if squad leaders used the more direct commands, it would appear for everyone (not annoying obviously)

[stiff pollen]

Iirc past game they showed it on the map too

But they added that in later usually

[ebon pilot]

I think it's on the map in 2042

but i can't see the map it's too far off screen

[ebon pilot]

honestly anything would be better than me having to run in front of an angel and spam the "need ammo" call just to get him to even look at me

[placid echo]

See what I do is change my DPI to yes, shake my mouse across my mat while holding LMB

If I record it, I would give anyone who watches it a seizure

[bitter skiff]

WTF are you all talking about?

[ebon pilot]

he maxes out his DPI and then shoots wildly everywhere

to ask for more ammo

[placid echo]

8000 DPI on 20 sens go blur

It makes the player model do horrific things

[wary portal]

how many days of this season 3 is left? im waiting for a new season.

[ebon pilot]

uhh like 7 weeks

[wary portal]

man ill be bored in 7 weeks then.

[bitter skiff]

medkit slingshots in 7 weeks!

[wary portal]

i wanna see new guns and a new badass specialist.

[hexed mango]

also the fault of medics not medicing

[wary portal]

medicing tha fuc?

[bitter skiff]

imagine...fire a medkit in yr pal mouth from 10 yards...angry birds style

[hexed mango]

medic'ing

[wary portal]

well ok.........

[hexed mango]

medics not medic'ing

[next onyx]

We'll probably get new portal weapons soon.

[wary portal]

yeah if is not fucking poopy like you guys said.

i feel kinda nice with sugar and spice using portal weapons sometimes.

[fallen pendant]

Ngl the first I played 2042 it was like fun

I liked the struggle of getting fked

Dying over and over

But now it's boring

[bitter skiff]

Yeah, F this game!

I hate it

[ebon pilot]

oh yeah, i finished the battle pass

[wary portal]

how long ya finish bro?

[ebon pilot]

I played start of the season and finished todya

[fallen pendant]

For for you

I just play this game purely for fun

[ebon pilot]

i think i've put like 50 hours into this season?

i played a lot during double xp weekends, during the event, and i always complete every bp mission

[fallen pendant]

And is it just me

Or entering a 128 player game makes me even more laggy then I should

[wary portal]

man i don't feel like doing battle pass on this game. too lazy or busy or dice didn't have love to fix on this shit.

its just the minecraft graphics everytime a game mode starts

like 20 seconds then its fine.

indeed i guess.

so you guys still playing bfv in 2023?

i hope it stays alive until god knows what happens if ea/dice decides to shut down the bfv servers.

[mental cave]

whats ur pc specs and whats ur wifi speed

[next onyx]

You're on ps4.

I'll give some context.

Back a bf4 360 the game suffered from the same as the textures would be loading.

Now a ps4 is loading a next gen game the exact same thing is happening

[lavish patrol]

Recent encounter with hackers in that game has made me stop playing again

[wary portal]

even on the ps4? or the xbox one?

[lavish patrol]

I play on PC

[wary portal]

i know. the ps4 is ok for me. but hell to the fuckin yeah, ps5 is so much better.

just wish i have a ps5

which it won't happen.

[next onyx]

I know how that feels.

[wary portal]

then i don't see any hackers. its fine by me. @lavish patrol

[arctic grove]

Bro has the battle pass resolution

[arctic grove]

U just gotta believe

[wary portal]

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-nobody-cares-gif-26245807

[hexed mango]

im like 2 bp points away but im not playing cause there's no BT mode rn

[next onyx]

I'm 35 tokens away from tier 1 season 3.

But I'm going to give the game a break.

[robust scroll]

Does seasons conquest only have 3 maps in rotation?

[dire quest]

Yes

Each new map from each season

[robust scroll]

Am I able to get regular conquest with every map in rotation?

[dire quest]

Only seasons conquest and infantry conquest rn

[robust scroll]

bruh seriously?

[arctic grove]

Yeaaaaa

[dire quest]

Ask dice

[arctic grove]

They’ll prob change once the map revamp comes tho

[robust scroll]

wtf lmao

[dire quest]

Also most likely testing out how popular boots on the ground is

Infantry only vs regular conquest

[arctic grove]

No vehicles

Which I honestly don’t like the sounds of unless yk there is hella transport vehicles like pick up trucks

[robust scroll]

and when is this?

[arctic grove]

Or RZR’s

[arctic grove]

Welll next update is a patch fix so hypothetically speaking maybe the update after the next one

[robust scroll]

thats kinda stupid af

[arctic grove]

Well Ig they wanted to fix shit before dropping the map and reworks

[hybrid totem]

Just found some jerk who would flip every other tank because they want to be the only armor

[arctic grove]

Anyone encounter that Sundance hit box issue they were talking abt

I’m surprised abt that

[arctic grove]

Whinny brats

[hybrid totem]

The thing is they were like really good at flipping vehicles

Then pinning them so they would die

[pearl ridge]

I haven't heard anything about that, but I do find it difficult to get a bead on that little shit.

Skinny little rat.

[arctic grove]

Well she is on a wingsuit lol

[pearl ridge]

They could be standing in the middle of an empty corridor and it's still hard to get sights on.

[arctic grove]

Yk how cool it’ll be if the next attacker they release in year 2 had a zip line launcher

[hybrid totem]

Not a lot makes me rage quit, but professional trolls sure hit the bar

[arctic grove]

I’d love a specialist with a zip line launcher

[hexed mango]

wdym by revamp

[arctic grove]

Breakaway

[hexed mango]

thats next update

as in 3.2

[arctic grove]

Wait shit is it rework or revamp

[hexed mango]

typically they call them reworks

[arctic grove]

Kinda thought they mean same shit

[hexed mango]

just wanted to clarify lol

[arctic grove]

My fault if I confused u bru

[hexed mango]

3.2 is coming out this month, with Breakaway rework/revamp

[arctic grove]

I’m just hype for that map

Ice caves

Oil rig closer

[hexed mango]

and class update and vehicle changes

[arctic grove]

More cover

More ice canyon ravines

[hexed mango]

as well as more vault weapons

[arctic grove]

like it looks good

[hexed mango]

ye im looking forward to it

[arctic grove]

What’s the vault weapons they adding

Spas12 finally?

Like to use that with lis

[next onyx]

It's unofficially confirmed which well... Yeah.

An94, M98b and SPAS 12 have their tier 1 badges in the files.

But there is no news asides form the m98b that they'll be released.

And the m98b has been indefinitely suspended.

[hybrid totem]

Wait it's seriously a choice between infantry CQ, and CQ on only three maps?

[next onyx]

Yeah.

Infantry CQ is good though for a breather.

[hybrid totem]

Not even the good maps

[next onyx]

Exposure, Stranded and spearhead? I feel that. But I reckon people are more sick of exposure and stranded.

If for infantry conquest then uh. If you hit hourglass or discarded I'm so sorry.

(Seriously though they could of omitted those two maps)

[hybrid totem]

I'm pretty sick of spearhead and stranded. Both are too restricted for air vehicles

[next onyx]

I love the pacing of spearhead.

The m16a3 works well on it.

[hybrid totem]

I'm seriously lost on what to even play, I don't do infantry really

Even when I do, it's anti vehicle infantry

[next onyx]

Have you given Zain a go with the PBX?

With smokes too.

I find that pretty fun.

I know you're not big on infantry but what I suggested is fun in my experience.

[hybrid totem]

Is he the chain gun turret

No he's the airburst

[gleaming osprey]

call of duty mw2 (2022) is better than battlefailed 2042 lol

[lavish patrol]

I still remember the days of BF3 and 4... rented servers had stacked teams

[gleaming osprey]

XD

[arctic grove]

Atleast no annoying ass server leaders

God I fucking hated them

[gleaming osprey]

but portal is good lol

[halcyon lake]

Portal really isn't. It's just a shitters dream with the XP boosting servers and boomer hardcore servers.

[lavish patrol]

I hated hardcore servers

I still remember the COD WW2 days where there were only "crouch only tactical" servers

[arctic grove]

Literally AOW is a better time

[gleaming osprey]

I play battlefield five in portal XD

[halcyon lake]

If it were better managed, Portal wouldn't be full of shitty servers and instead have a mix.

The variant in portal is 1942 reusing bfv assets.

[gleaming osprey]

XD it's real

[solar tinsel]

A lot of lost potential with Portal, that could have been rectified IMO with smarter progression scaling on a per-setting basis, which would have allowed for genuine modes with the logic editor to reward XP, but also reduce farming environments that still do

[gleaming osprey]

afk farm XD

[solar tinsel]

Like, give each parameter an associated XP/Progression modifier. Then again, I suppose that would require progression to be trackable in values other than whole integers

[halcyon lake]

They could of just combined its server browser with all out warfare and provide genuine variety.

More eyes would be on the xp servers therefore they'd have to actually act on it.

[solar tinsel]

To be honest I don't really think this is necessary - or rather - overrvalued. If the BF community wanted to, they could literally right now all fully use the server browser that exists to setup and browse their AoW experiences

The truth is, the vast majority of folks who want stock experiences don't want to deal with a browser, abusive admins, etc.

AND that would give folks persistent servers without needing to matchmake each time, something else a lot of folks claim they want

[halcyon lake]

People want to stay in the servers and fight the same people, The small minority that don't want to fight the "tryhards" can always leave and not screw over the others.

[gleaming osprey]

I love call of duty because here's no balance! I love games with out balance : ) (if battlefailed's rah68 become stonger...)

[halcyon lake]

There have always been tools in regards to quick match. Server browser isn't shoved down everyone's throats.

And they've made it specifically that quick match doesn't get you into those games back at v.

Giving people the option should always exist. Taking it away because a small part used it is stupid.

[solar tinsel]

What I'm saying is all of this is possible in the game right now.

Everyone could start creating stock AoW-style servers, use the browser to find "the one" they want (active map, players, region, etc.) and then stay in there all day long without having to leave it or matchmake

[halcyon lake]

Except they don't because the servers don't fill up.

I could create a 24/7 spearhead and no one would join.

[solar tinsel]

Sure - which is why I don't see how a different server browser would be of any help

[halcyon lake]

If a server browser for all out warfare existed with both parts being connected, Custom portal experiences with just a modified ticket count and nothing else would be more popular.

[solar tinsel]

Honestly, if it's a matter of visibility. DICE could just make a "Server Browser" box on the main menu and have it kick it out to the same dang browser that already exists

[halcyon lake]

I don't want to be forced out of a lobby at the end of every lobby. It's stupid. I can't play portal because it's just XP boosting/hardcore servers and it gets stale so very quickly.

And then we had basic DICE owned servers cause yeah. They have always existed.

Quick matched players would join into those and server browser peoples would join them too.

[hybrid totem]

Wow I forgot how bad my accuracy was with infantry weapons

[solar tinsel]

Sure, but you said the issue is people aren't joining custom/modified servers. Obviously there's no issue with people joining stock servers

[halcyon lake]

I was adding that on as well because quick match and server browser were connected.

No one wants to be kicked out.

[solar tinsel]

I actually disagree, I prefer getting fresh lobbies each time, as it helps reduce team stacking. 2042's issue is it has shit matchmake logic

and will put you into servers with like 50 tickets left which is dumb

[halcyon lake]

Damn they better actually throw some money fixing their shit matchmaking then.

[solar tinsel]

THATS the real issue

[halcyon lake]

You can leave on your own accord.

Other players shouldn't have to suffer.

[solar tinsel]

So your solution to "I hate having to leave" is to encourage others to leave when a clan tries to pubstomp by stacking?

doesn't make much sense

[halcyon lake]

No. They should actually put a decent team balancer in.

Them not having a basic team balancer encourages stacking.

[solar tinsel]

they do need that too, because even the portal servers now don't have them

[halcyon lake]

Actually ironically.

This system we have right now actually does encourage stacking.

On BT you can leave and join until you get attack.

All of the sweats join attack.

There clean sweep. :D

[solar tinsel]

perhaps, although it doesn't seem like a good use of time, and won't even guarantee you get into the same server as others

[halcyon lake]

Who cares. All the sweats play attack and they win.

[solar tinsel]

I have seen significantly less team stacking in stock servers with this system

If they just added Stock AoW as a "Quick Experience' in the server browser, maybe it encourages more folks to use the browser and make their own servers

[halcyon lake]

Nah. Xp farm.

That's all portal is.

[solar tinsel]

I don't think it makes sense to mix the stock fresh matchmaking servers with folks who want to try to pub stomp. If folks want to pub stomp, they should go make their own stock server and team stack.

and again, everything is available to folks right now if they wanted to

[halcyon lake]

You can pub stomp with ease though. Just make a party and you've won.

That's how the games pan out.

[white geyser]

Most players rather XP farming in the portal, so they don't have to spend their coins they saved

[solar tinsel]

I have no problem with a good squad.

I'm talking about the days of old where you'd see a stack of like 12 same clan tags

[halcyon lake]

That is a problem yes but DICE should actually make a proper system. Not whatever the hell this is.

It's a shit solution to a shit problem.

[solar tinsel]

It really just needs to have better matchmaking logic

and then yeah Portal needs a team balance option

cant believe it doesnt have one yet

I guess you could script one in logic editor but then... no progression

[halcyon lake]

Portal is shit. Cool idea but the community being what it is it ruined it.

[solar tinsel]

That, and DICE did not support the mode enough by adding a smarter progression system

[white geyser]

It's only matter of time they'll ran out of content to add in AOW, until they decide to add new contents in the portal like balance and stuff

[solar tinsel]

because if it was better, then you can make farming less rewarding, and actually reward unique genuine game modes

[halcyon lake]

They need to moderate it better and integrate with all out warfare, That's all.

Put in a proper team balancer and they're good.

[solar tinsel]

if they ever made AoW servers persitent, theyd HAVE to add that

[halcyon lake]

Rush of the ages has you swap between attack and defence and that is a breath of fresh air like you wouldn't believe.

But wait. Can't play it cause dead region.

So I can't even play it to get basic "legacy" features.

[solar tinsel]

even that is kind of busted, because of how much timesink is between side swapping

hell it even reloads the map

[halcyon lake]

Still quicker than going into the main menu.

And researching for a map.

[solar tinsel]

well, sure

but considering it's literally the same map side swap

its pretty bad

[next onyx]

Eh it goes to the next map.

Oh god not this again.

[solar tinsel]

They also could probably improve AoW matchmaking if they offered a "find new match" button in the EoR

and just start the process right there

[next onyx]

Why would you do all of that when you can just keep the lobby going.

Instead of forcefully splitting it up.

[solar tinsel]

I'd be open to it if there was genuinely a good team balancer

[white geyser]

They still need to rework co-op to make 4 player online matchmaking, it still solo and got bored playing by myself every time I grind with the guns I want to try.

[placid echo]

Portal Servers (or any mode that keeps going after a round ends) does balance teams.

[gusty moon]

Is it worth buying 2042 for portal in India?

[solar tinsel]

really? I thought it didn't

I've always been put on alternating factions each time I've played a portal round

[next onyx]

I remember at launch 128p TDM but I never kept track of its balancing.

[placid echo]

Tactical Conquest doesn't have any Team Balancing code (that code is open source by the way) and had a lot of team switching between rounds

[solar tinsel]

Just use the guns in regular MP!

[next onyx]

Yeah I just remembered during Squad conquest I would be switched to the other side too.

I remember being on the side of the people I killed and they said "Please don't bring that shit back"

[hexed mango]

if you're buying only for portal, no.

[white geyser]

I made 20 custom portal matchup and I only spend time in conquest and ground war superiority matchup, just to do zombie matchup and WW3 conquest matchup

[gusty moon]

Are there no populated servers in asia region?

[stark ravine]

any news on a patch?

[hexed mango]

wouldnt matter.

[next onyx]

I can check Asia right now.

[solar tinsel]

nothing new, other than expecting one towards the latter half of the month

[hexed mango]

as the conversation above should make obvious, portal isnt really used for any cool gamemodes, even if your region is populated (which im not sure about for asia) you would probably only see the same few modes over and over.

[next onyx]

Knowing Asia that's when portal is properly used because of the hacker problem over there.

[solar tinsel]

yeah because DICE doesnt reward any custom modes unless its featured

[hexed mango]

even if it was populated way, its xp farms and rush 128 for sure

[hexed mango]

the unfortunate reality

[solar tinsel]

I pretty much only use Portal for the featured modes when a decent one comes up

it's a shame

[hexed mango]

now, if portal as a whole didnt give progression, maybe we could cook something

but then again nobody would play

[next onyx]

Oh fuck I'm still connected to my phone wifi.

[white geyser]

I wish they another modes for both AOW and portal, like frontline mode and breakthrough mode in the portal

[hexed mango]

L

[solar tinsel]

well thats the issue. Creative fun modes don't takeoff because there's no progression ever

[hexed mango]

precisely why we remove all progression from portal no more xp farms, equal grounds for people to play custom/creative modes

[next onyx]

Warm phone

[solar tinsel]

They just needed to allow for fractional progression, and then tie each modifier value to a progression modifer

Like.... Max Health is 1:1 with progression, so 50 health is 0.5 prog and 200 health is 2.0 prog

[next onyx]

They diverted so many resources away to a mode that's been practically misused.

[solar tinsel]

do that for damage, if an event player is AI or not, etc.

and any final progression value that is under 0.2x or something, just flatlines to no progression

[hexed mango]

ok enough of my shenanigans time for sleep

[solar tinsel]

so your 10 HP farm servers would give nothing

[next onyx]

Take it easy Echo.

[hexed mango]

peace

[white geyser]

I just want a co-op to be online matchmaking only to chill out with a friend and don't say "Portal can mimic co-op" guess what? people already tried that and it didn't work

[hexed mango]

Portal can mimic co-op

[solar tinsel]

I had some fun ideas for Portal co-op scenarios, but then when you add any logic

[hexed mango]

jkjkjkjk

[solar tinsel]

boom, no progression

[next onyx]

NEW MECHWARRIOR BEING DEVELOPED.

AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH.

[hexed mango]

health being tied to xp is kinda dumb

[solar tinsel]

I mean it doesn't have to be 1:1

but if someone has 500 HP max

kind of makes sense to increase the rewards

and when someone has 50 HP max

makes sense to decrease it

[hexed mango]

all players will have said health mod unless asym with teams

[solar tinsel]

Sure but it's a matter of time and progression earn rate

[hexed mango]

i guess but its still not the only thing that leads to said progression rate

[solar tinsel]

If you're taking ~5x the length of time to kill someone, that should be rewarded in kind

[hexed mango]

what about gun damage mods?

[solar tinsel]

same thing

it should all factor

each paramater should apply a modifier

and then those modifiers are added and subtracted

until you get a final modifer

[hexed mango]

and then what about bots? just dont give xp for bot kills?

[solar tinsel]

either that, or take whatever modifier you land on, and halve it an aditional time

[hexed mango]

cause that's kinda why people dont play modes with bots, cause its no xp

[solar tinsel]

I dont think it needs to be NO XP, but just halved

[white geyser]

They need to rework portal and make XP can actually work when you're creating custom matchup

[hexed mango]

like the "co-op" modes or "zombie" modes in portal, its vs. ai, and nobody plays them cause theyre killing AI

so even with this system, it wouldnt help that

[solar tinsel]

so if your final modifier is 0.75x, then any event with a bot would be .38

[hexed mango]

and then what about custom logic? cause thats a big part of cool gamemodes.

cause creating xp mods for all of them is timely and rather unpractical

[solar tinsel]

I think that you can still extract paramaters from the logic editor

(I'm not saying this is easy mind you)

[white geyser]

Try adding frontline mode in the portal and let see how many players playing that game mode

[solar tinsel]

some things couldn't be accounted for, like: spawn position or teleportation

[hexed mango]

i mean yeah you would do it for all effect blocks, cause those are the only actions, but i dont really think theyre gonna take the time to go through every single experience modifier and custom logic effect to add xp values

[solar tinsel]

oh they're definitely not

heck theyre not gonna do it even for the basic editor, or it would have happened by now

[hexed mango]

guess its ideas for a future terrible ripple effect project

anyways im actually gonna sleep now

[solar tinsel]

but thats what I think would have veen the best implementation of allowing folks to be creative and reward in kind

good night!

[hexed mango]

cya

[solar tinsel]

oh well, what could have been (same for HZ ha)

[white geyser]

I wish they add something new that will make us forget HZ and play this mode that's so enjoyable, that'll make us don't want to stop playing it

[wide shore]

Hate to be that guy. But the next BF game needs a F2P section. It’s the only way it’s gonna break into the mainstream.

[ebon pilot]

just what this series needs: more children

[wide shore]

I’m not saying the whole game needs to be free. But with COD having warzone free, it allows basically free publicity to the base game.

[solar tinsel]

Yeah I don't disagree. 2042 could have done it if it had more than 1 viable mode 😂

[wide shore]

Game could easily stay paid fully and remain just in its own bubble. But that actively goes against trying to grow your audience.

I mean, they could get plenty of good publicity if they just made like an amazing BF experience. But we know DICE have an issue doing that at launch.

[mental cave]

i dont wanna be that guy but battlefield will never be mainstream

no casual gamer wants to sit through a 30 minute game

[solar tinsel]

I'd argue BF is already pretty mainstream - it just isn't at the level of popularity as CoD

[ebon pilot]

that's every single battle royale game

[mental cave]

yea but thats a trend

battlefield is not

[wide shore]

BRs are as popular as they are. And those can go longer than a lot of battlefield rounds.

[mental cave]

capturing points and being tactical bores people

[wide shore]

Battlefield isn’t tactical tho

[mental cave]

its tactical in a sense you cant just head on attack people, would be best to flank

cant slide cancel ur way into spawn

[wide shore]

So, like BR and DMZ modes. Which are insanely popular.

[mental cave]

yeah difference is those arent battlefield

[wide shore]

I’m not really seeing your point. You’re saying that because it’s battlefield specifically it can’t be as popular. I say otherwise.

[solar tinsel]

Again, I still think Battlefiled is popular, holding it to CoD is quite the comparison to make.

[mental cave]

The existing playerbase wants battlefield to be a specific aesthetic and specific play style that will only please the already existing players

[solar tinsel]

There's a difference between mainstream/popular, and being a top 3 selling game or whatever

[white geyser]

Don't expect another cod game this year because they said they'll stop releasing new cod games every year.

[ebon pilot]

good

[solar tinsel]

If Battlefield ever wanted to be a truly top game, I think they need to innovate with a fresh idea that is creative enough that it isn't trend chasing - and ACTUALLY is fun and plays well

[solar tinsel]

that will likely be better for them

[mental cave]

i thought they started doing that like 2 cods ago 🤔

[pearl ridge]

Battlefield's simply too... advanced to break into the dominance of COD.

[arctic grove]

COD makers have gotten to greedy anyway, charging $70 for a game is stupid

[wide shore]

And that aesthetic could be mainstream. The problem is that every release is plagued with bugs and game breaking changes that nobody asked for. Which turns off a lot of people who aren’t willing to deal with it just to try a new game that’s full priced. First impressions make all the difference in the world. Unfortunately DICE can never make a good launch experience.

[pearl ridge]

I mean it's not exactly ARMA or anything, but we're dealing with people who can barely walk and shoot at the same time.

They're often frighteningly good at walking and shooting, but god help them when something bigger shows up.

[wide shore]

There is value in doing something unique and doing it really well. But at this point what does Battlefield even do insanely well?

[mental cave]

yeaaa they should probably get rid of the mechanic of giving you no control while walking or at least tell people that happens lol

[white geyser]

They better learn how to make cod a decent game instead of copy and paste every year

[solar obsidian]

you can turn that around and wonder why ea takes 60 euro for there try at battle royale and escape shooters

[arctic grove]

ooof

[solar tinsel]

Honestly anything 2042 has gotten right has been whatever remnants of older BF games still seep through 😂

I can still feel that Battlefield DNA, it's just gotten all messed up

[solar obsidian]

ea removed the campaign from battlefield and gave us 2042 for 60 euro

[solar tinsel]

I think folks like 2042's movement and gunplay, but I also havent heard it praised as the "best ever" or anything

[wide shore]

And there’s a reason 2042 is as unpopular as it is. Because it tried and failed to be something that it’s not. Even still after all these changes and attempts to re-add Battlefield specific things. It’ll never feel like this game has any identity of its own.

[mental cave]

they gotta double down on trying to make something new. Or just give in and basically remake bf3/4 🤣

[arctic grove]

idk what your talking about i got 2042 for $20 😛

[solar obsidian]

it also crashed in price to reflect the state of the launch

[solar tinsel]

2143, although sadly, I don't have confidence it could be pulled off

[white geyser]

I wouldn't mind BF4 remake just add something new to the remake version to make it look new, like add bots to fill out on empty map servers

[pastel loom]

cod games aren't made within a year
if that's what you think

[arctic grove]

who cares about the state of the launch lol, im having a blast with 2042

[solar tinsel]

Titan mode is something that I think would be popular in this day and age

[solar tinsel]

admittedly I am having fun too, but I still am convinced it's the worst BF to date
but as someone who enjoys BF generally, it can still be fun

[mental cave]

imagine paying market price for call of duty when key resale sites exist

[wide shore]

I would be okay with BF having a campaign again if it was just like BC1. Just massive levels with objectives spread out and tons of vehicles/guns/gadgets you can fiddle around with in the meantime.

Trying to copy the COD campaign formula has never worked for them.

[white geyser]

Titan mode for 2042?

[pastel loom]

bots are dull
i only want to play with real players

[solar tinsel]

I've actually been making that in Portal ha - well without the titans of course

[ebon pilot]

Titanfall Battlefield crossover?

[arctic grove]

see see i dont care if its "the best" or "the worst" i dont dwell on that shit, i just play the game and have fun

[solar obsidian]

clearly a lot dont since they just abandon the game and never looked back

[solar tinsel]

but yeah, I have no confidence that current DICE could pull off a worthy 2142 sequel or titan mode with the current engine efficiency

[arctic grove]

fake news

[solar obsidian]

😄

[solar tinsel]

64 players + 2 moving aerial bases which people can walk on + 2 commanders? Not happening

[arctic grove]

3.2 comes out on the 20th and 2 more seasons soon

[white geyser]

Doesn't matter, there are players who just want to farm and unlock the guns and vehicles attachments

[solar tinsel]

Hell you can barely drive a car in 2042 😂

[wide shore]

I like 2042. I don’t think it’s the worst in the series. But I can see clear as day they weren’t very interested in making a true Battlefield experience. Despite the trailers making it seem otherwise.

[pastel loom]

there are specific rented farming servers in bf4

[pearl ridge]

I knew those trailers were pandering too hard.

[arctic grove]

2042 is still better then cod by a long shot anyway so

[pearl ridge]

They weren't being genuine and that was a problem

[ebon pilot]

true Battlefield experience

[solar tinsel]

yeah it was evident by the fact that the game had no identity through pre-production, and then continued to hae that identity crisis

[wide shore]

Not in the eyes of the mainstream. Which is the problem.

[solar tinsel]

Not to mention the original reveal trailer being rendered at 30fps - no way was it ever going to look that good

[solar obsidian]

i could not have said that better myself

[pearl ridge]

If you truly are confident that you're making 'the right experience', you wouldn't have to proclaim it.

[arctic grove]

let then waist there $70 then xDDD

[white geyser]

Relying on real players isn't enough

[solar obsidian]

thats the thing, you dont need to waste any money if you just want dmz and br

its actually insane how many of my friends have tried both warzones because they had free access

even non shooter gamers

[wide shore]

In reality we’re the ones wasting money. Cause they have 2 options that are free and insanely popular. And because of that their game is more popular than ever and don’t have to worry about finding lobbies full of real people.

[solar tinsel]

I wouldnt be surprised if the next BF multiplayer has some F2P experience

[ebon pilot]

speak for yourself, I don't want to play some BR shit even if it's free

[wide shore]

Meanwhile I matchmake into games of conquest and in a lot of cases there’s only 1 server active in my region I can get in.

[patent prism]

hello.

[arctic grove]

all and all people still bitching about how bad 2042 did at launch today need to stop in my opinion thos people are the reason the games doing bad still, all this pointless hate is petty

[wide shore]

I’m not saying playing BR or not. But to say playing warzone doesn’t get people interested in buying the full game is disingenuous.

[solar obsidian]

game breaking bugs like the nade launcher on the scar after using vehicles have yet to be fixed

[eternal storm]

lol what? it is the customer's fault the game is doing poorly?

[arctic grove]

ether enjoy the game or dont

[wide shore]

I can enjoy the game and still point out its shortcomings.

[solar tinsel]

Well, opinions aren't petty, people are entitled to their opinion

[arctic grove]

no its there fault for making it worse

[pine roost]

Or it’s just that people have standards. Petty hate isn’t useful, constructive criticism is. We need more of the latter

[mental cave]

that’s just the gaming community, MW2 is a pretty polished game but if you go into the comments of any social media post from them its literally all hate and people saying “fix game” or “refund”

[solar tinsel]

2042 does deserve to be faulted for the way it launched, even despite the experience being better now

[arctic grove]

ik,ik

its sucks

[white geyser]

If they gonna add another new gun before they start season 4, it better be good so I can grind it in solo mode

[eternal storm]

no

[vast crater]

true

[wide shore]

The experience may be better now. But it’s still a long ways away from being what it could/should have been.

[arctic grove]

yes have you seen the review bombing?

[wide shore]

Complacency is the death of innovation.

[solar tinsel]

Folks can simultaneously enjoy the game they're playing, and acknowledge and be disappointed by what Poetic said

[arctic grove]

oh i agree

[pastel loom]

it only looks polished in a surface level
until you hear of engagement organised match making
and Activision's patent

be happy bf has zero sbmm and eomm

[next onyx]

Yeah I'm glad that I can at least cruise on battlefield.

COD is just a constant shit fest I can't be bothered playing.

[pine roost]

Having a wide range of player skill in one lobby is interesting

[next onyx]

Randomness is good.

[patent prism]

I mean they aren't exactly wrong to criticize the game at launch. I do agree that people who still hold a grudge and avoid the game due to day 1 issues aren't that reasonable, but DICE deserves/deserved a lot of critique for what it looked like at launch.

Personally, I really hope that we don't settle for mediocre just because we experienced a horrible state of the game.

[next onyx]

Both DICE and EA are to blame.

[solar obsidian]

im still waiting for new portal maps

[pine roost]

You can have a friendly competition with the top players, and lesser skilled players have so many other means of helping the team win or even get easy kills through positioning

[next onyx]

DICE for the direction they took and EA for rushing the product out.

[arctic grove]

exactly thats all i was saying too

[worthy inlet]

Why settle for mediocre when you can just give up and not play

[wide shore]

I ain’t saying COD is perfect. But they did their formula well enough for so long that it’s built an infamy that will keep it relevant for a long time.

[mental cave]

lol majority of cod players VPN cus of that, i think it would be a shit show if you tried to do SBMM for 64v64

[arctic grove]

lets just pray that the playerbase dosent get as toxic and crazy hater mess as Destiny 2 is atm

[wide shore]

Idek how you’d SBMM a battlefield lobby. People can seldom carry with the big playerbase.

[patent prism]

Absolutely agree.

[next onyx]

It was like that at launch Ren.

[arctic grove]

😦

[next onyx]

The first 6 months for this game here was awful.

[arctic grove]

im a new guy so far ive been lucky not running into it

[ebon pilot]

plus the maps are so large as long as you're moving around the map to different objectives, odds are you will just accidentally avoid top players

[next onyx]

Yeah I'm kind of envious.

[solar tinsel]

I remember those days...

[wide shore]

Tbf the whole internet was like that about this game

[white geyser]

I wonder how is spec ops mode is different from mw2 2022 and mw19?

[pine roost]

Or catch one off guard

[arctic grove]

and this discord is a very nice place so far i usally dont join public discords tied to games cuz they tend to have a LOT of trolling

[mental cave]

well there’s a station with all the guns for you, and it ends pretty quickly

i think there’s only like 3 waves?

[arctic grove]

any news on what 3.2 update will be giving us on the 20th?

[pine roost]

Has it been stated that it’s coming out on the 20th?

[patent prism]

I wish the next Battlefield game has something similar to the Call of Duty Gunsmith system.

[solar tinsel]

pretty sure it hasnt?

[solar obsidian]

never played mw19 coop because of brilliant choices

[mental cave]

NO

[arctic grove]

i was told on the 20th

[solar tinsel]

source?

[arctic grove]

it was text chat in here yesterday

[solar tinsel]

yeah ok... no ha

[patent prism]

Ok, to each their own.

[solar tinsel]

thats speculation

[arctic grove]

oof

[next onyx]

Tomorrow is the 13th.

Uh.

Late January.

[arctic grove]

late

[patent prism]

And a Friday.

[next onyx]

So if I had to assume, 24th or 26th.

[arctic grove]

ok

[next onyx]

Wait shit.

Today's a thursday.

FUCK ME.

[pastel loom]

does hardline's gun bench count?

[solar obsidian]

way been messing with the sleeping pattern again

[next onyx]

I went out today and I only do so on Mon. Tues. and Fri.

[mental cave]

i would die if i had to use the k30 to unlock a grip for the pp bison

[patent prism]

I don't have any experience with that so I can't exactly speak intelligently about it.

[next onyx]

YO.

Hardline's gun bench was cool but it was completely different.

[mental cave]

or i had to use a shotgun to get a blue dot

[next onyx]

It was just a system that allowed us to make weapons with custom skins being given a bunch of stensils.

[solar tinsel]

but to answer your question, in general: the class rework (which includes some legacy gadgets into AoW), Breakaway rework, few new Vault weapons

[arctic grove]

i never got to play Hardline

[white geyser]

Probably in the next battlefield game, I wonder if they can try to make their own spec op mode?unlike cod it has to be different

[arctic grove]

ah i hope some bug fixes too but ya sounds epic

[next onyx]

You could create skins like these.

[patent prism]

Oh, no I don't mean like that. I mean individual components not attachments. Attachments should be unlocked via playing with the weapon generally. Components though could be tied to something like the current Tier-system in 2042.

I will however say that I am a little unsure about the specifics of this type of system; not sure if I want the components to have any practical effects or just be essentially a weapon "skin" that looks different.

[solar tinsel]

I just wish HZ was like Tarkov but with a simplified inventory system.

[next onyx]

Even create custom colours for your soldiers.

[solar tinsel]

I miss adaptive camos. Or rather, I wish we could assign any cosmetic to auto-apply on a per map basis

[mental cave]

for your criminals*

[next onyx]

The dual skorpions were so fucked.

[patent prism]

Agreed, although maybe not "per-map" but more like per environment (e.g. woodland, desert, snow)

[next onyx]

But they were so much fun.

They were genuinely unique.

And the poses that we got.

Bf1 I think reuses BFH's lewis gun with some additions.

[solar tinsel]

I suppose, although to be honest I'd imagine per map would be easier to implement since they wouldn't have to go and make classifications

[next onyx]

Of course with the stock and the scope removed.

[solar tinsel]

but yeah either to be honest

[next onyx]

But the reload animation is pretty similar.

[patent prism]

M/45 would like a word.
(The most useless gun in Hardline but I love it anyways.)

[next onyx]

How you pick the mag up and slam it on.

UZI was fun.

I like that.

I was a SCAR H main there anyways.

FN FAL was fun too but it's imbalanced.

[arctic grove]

time to continue the grind for the P90 lol

[next onyx]

Best of luck!

[arctic grove]

im at 45

getting there

🙂

still need to get the K30

[next onyx]

You playing rush of the ages?

You can use it there to unlock it for your 2042 soldier.

Cause it should be "Get 100 kills with the k30 or p90"

[patent prism]

Well, I feel like one could just specify a environment type for the map in the form of like, 4 lines of code rather than specify each individual available uniform.

[next onyx]

Oh my arm hates me.

[pine roost]

Apologise to it then

[arctic grove]

yes i still need to get the k30 then get 100 kills with it but imo nly rank 45 not 53

[white geyser]

Hmm... if they try to create another mode and unlike HZ, this mode it's kind of like in Tom Clancy's division where you enter the dark zone area you fight the rogues and collect items, but in 2042 mixing with dark zone from Tom Clancy's division but IDK how can it work and how will be a different version from Tom Clancy's division dark zone?

[solar tinsel]

I actually like that idea. Have the sessions be ongoing for as long as you like drop in/drop out

[next onyx]

Hey it'll be stronger in the end. xP

[solar tinsel]

All of the other DMZ/Tarkovs are like: fixed round lengths right?

So having a FPS in that style that behaves more like the MMO-esque version of Dark Zone from the division could be a nice and interesting concept

Give us like, 3 large cool maps that you can hop into, and try to go deeper in to get more loot, with AI getting harder, but also other players can run into you at any time

but since it's MMO style servers, new players may keep cycling

I genuinely want this game now 😂

and shit the world of 2042 is so ripe for that

[pine roost]

So kind of like stalcraft

[solar tinsel]

you're going in collecting weapon/armor/gear loot, but also picking up supplies for you No Pat contract

[solar tinsel]

havent played it, but I take your word for it

but a simpler weapon UI and gear system then say, Tarkov

[pine roost]

Basically a huge map, each area is a separate map that you load into by physically walking to, tougher enemies appear in the more northern regions but you get better gear too

[solar tinsel]

yup

[pine roost]

And players are ever present, two factions being stalkers and bandits

[solar tinsel]

could be two factions, or just No-Pats each squad for themselves.

I do like the teams concept though, heck make it 3 just to shake things up

and then like you can bring supplied to a base and after you get your team enough you can roll out a tank from a garage or something

[pine roost]

The 2042 setting would allow for such a concept

[solar tinsel]

damn we just came up with a good game concept in ike 30 seconds

[pine roost]

Hazard zone was just kind of like, satellites are falling, go pick up their stuff

[solar tinsel]

follows some trends, but also still doin its own thing

[solar tinsel]

yup, and then the worst offense for me: just play a 1 point Conquest match twice in the game

I'd have preferred independent extraction because then you're playing it differently than literally every other CQ match

with 2 fixed extractions and being able to respawn squads, it essentially boils down to the same general play experience at the end

[pine roost]

Alternatively you could just say that you are a military soldier who’s country has collapsed, your city or whatever has been overrun and you must head north to find the exodus or something. A nice blend between tarkov’s lore and 2042 itself

[solar tinsel]

we can dream right?

I mean, I'd lose my mind if the "narrative" BF game that allegedly might be set in the 2042 world

was a campaign PLUS something like that

then just make the old 2042 F2P as the "MP mode"

so F2P is 2042 (which hopefully continues to get better) and you pay for campaign + this co-op mode

allow for some form of cross-unlocks. Like hitting milestones in the campaign and co-op can unlock new MP gear

[pine roost]

That’s one thing I appreciate about dmz, how it incentivises you to play it by offering rewards in other modes

[solar tinsel]

I gotta get some damn sleep, but good chat. Wish this existed now ha. Take care

[pine roost]

Good night

[pure dew]

If i am battlepass tier 100 without the battlepass if i buy it now will i get all rewards

[arctic grove]

Yes

[upbeat sand]

Waiting for play games of hazard zone missions

[hexed mango]

hey dice announce 3.2 rn i dare you

[pine roost]

there'll be some juicy changes I'm sure

[hexed mango]

many

mainly classes, breakaway and vehicle updates, and hopeful squad improvements, bug fixes, balances, qol changes, etc

vault weapons probably

[pine roost]

that kind of covers every change that can occur

[hexed mango]

i wonder if you’re gonna have to unlock the vault gadgets (i.e. claymore, javelin, etc) via assignments

[hexed mango]

basically lol

i smell another 400+ change update incoming

[pine roost]

would be nice

I'm still just kind of waiting on the sidelines, waiting for something that peaks my interest

[hexed mango]

i mean supposedly boris is getting reworked, irish and crawford’s swapping will be neat to see, and rao is getting improvements, that’s the main extent to my existing knowledge of specialist changes besides the obvious classes.

do hope it’s big and powerful tho

tho it’s also 1:30am rn i should sleep

[pine roost]

I wonder what boris is going to do

in my honest opinion a turret like that does not belong in fps games

but let's see

[covert vortex]

TF2?

Regardless the turret would either suck ass or be overpowered. I feel there's no easy way to balance it so that's why it's so mediocre.

[pine roost]

in titanfall the pilot sentry is the most irritating thing in existence. It just one bursts you and since it doesn't have any bullet travel time it makes for an awful experience

I had a concept at launch for a specialist who could launch a projectile that latches on to vehicles and creates a small zone which amplifies damage slightly when rockets hit that location

I could see boris using something like that

so it amplifies damage for those able to hit that location on the vehicle which is the skill gap, but the reward is 1~ less rocket needed to take it out if you hit it

[covert vortex]

Who would take advantage of that though?

[pine roost]

anyone with a rocket launcher?

[covert vortex]

It just seems like the SOFLAM, it's great on paper but no one takes advantage of it. People are just gonna use their rocket launcher to hit wherever they can.

[pine roost]

you could use your own, since boris is an enginner

this is a concept for a replacement of his personal gadget

[covert vortex]

Obviously you could use your own, but now try and imagine how a Tank would react if it got hit by that. It would simply turn away.

It just seems too niche.

[pine roost]

perhaps

tanks that just camp and don't have any space to move would get punished though

[covert vortex]

Often times when it comes to fighting vehicles you only get maybe one shot before they turn your direction or run away.

It's kinda like how AT mines are now that they made them taller with a bright yellow top side.

Especially with how open the maps are compared to BF1 which I'm used to.

[pine roost]

aside from that i got nothing

[chilly jacinth]

meh sometimes the AT mines model doesn't load

aka you're dead

[covert vortex]

That's just called active camouflage.

[pine roost]

I've found mines to work well when combined with smoke

like if a ram is harassing you in the drone bay flag on spearhead, just smoke off the chokepoints and fill it with mines. I've not done it too often but it worked a couple times

[hollow iris]

It works really well if you're an aircraft with agm and have a coordinated teammate in your squad but with randoms no such luck

[tribal scroll]

Any gossips when new patch will be announced? or even better - released? 😄

[pearl ridge]

How the fuck is hourglass supposed to be playable in infantry only

[golden hornet]

run around from a to b for 70% of the round i assume

[solar obsidian]

the trick is to wrong warp to the towers and collect the spawn point so you can instantly warp between them when you fail

maybe chase a ghost or something

[hollow iris]

With medium range weapons, (HLMG HP)

[pearl ridge]

I have a personal hatred for those guys who are so deadset on maining a particular vehicle that they’ll stay on the spawn screen for minutes straight just to get another when they’re finally shot down.