battlefield-2042

[arctic grove]

With small font saying spoilers; except the allies

Err

The entente

[spiral folio]

Most modern combat is rapid and such

[arctic grove]

Not the Allie’s

[analog fractal]

If only DICE wanted to continue making BF atmospheric instead of whatever 2042 turned out to be

[errant scarab]

New battlefield please

[spiral folio]

There is some trench warfare currently

[arctic grove]

Not right now Mercury. You haven’t logged enough hours into 2042 yet

[errant scarab]

Drop 2042 only 5% bf fans like that downgrade

[spiral folio]

Bf1-2

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As soon as season 4 drops, support will die and they'll move to the next BF, don't worry @errant scarab

[errant scarab]

Drop 2042 like you drop BFV

[arctic grove]

The reworks are fine as is considering they are literally designed around how players responded to the initial map designs both vocally and how they were played

[arctic grove]

Must not have received the memo

[spiral folio]

Battlefield heroes 2

[errant scarab]

But still have more players with 3 years out service

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The way they killed V support was criminal, the only reason I accepted it because I thought they would make the next one amazing out of the gate

Lmao

[spiral folio]

Bf5 had plenty of support over years

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Instead 2042 was the trashiest dumpster fire in series history

[spiral folio]

It literally isnt

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Funny tbh

[spiral folio]

But hey i found something for you

🚪

[hexed mango]

dozer push

[spiral folio]

Here it is

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I mean, it's subjective @spiral folio

[errant scarab]

Skins skins skins skins

[spiral folio]

I mean... 2042 isnt even that old yet so

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BF4 was buggy, but it was a great game underneath all that

[hexed mango]

2042 def had a rocky launch, not the best bf game, but its been getting better

[analog fractal]

2042 was buggy and horrible at launch

[errant scarab]

Please dice drop that game omg

[hexed mango]

so was bf4

[spiral folio]

Bf2 didnt even have "continued support" it basically was "here it is. Bye"

[hexed mango]

aka how most games were before steam was popular

[analog fractal]

Nah, game was great when the bugs were out

[errant scarab]

The trailer have 1M of likes in youtube, the trailer is good the game not

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It wasn't a mess game design wise like 2042 at all

[spiral folio]

Yea it's an era of "continuous development" now

[hexed mango]

eh there are some things in bf4 i dont love

[spiral folio]

Means games might not be perfect when released

[analog fractal]

They're litterally back peddling tons of fundamentals with 2042 since launch

[magic bloom]

Let the game innovate

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No BF have done this

[arctic grove]

Like what???

[hexed mango]

this is true, but i still dont think its a terrible game.

[errant scarab]

Innovate copying cod

[spiral folio]

Man every time a 2042 basher drunkenly stumbles in to the 2042 room amirite

[magic bloom]

It didn’t but ok

[errant scarab]

3 person takedown? Yo wtf

[hexed mango]

mainly gunplay, the fact that most guns within a class arent super unique, and that the guns themselves dont feel as rewarding as later games

[arctic grove]

It’s impossible for as many guns as 4 had to all be unique

[arctic grove]

True and the movement is pretty janky

But i still love 4

[analog fractal]

BF4 gun selection 🙏

[arctic grove]

But at least they were there for the sake of playing with something new, + still being competitive vs meta

[magic bloom]

3rd person takedowns is so game breaking and copying cod

[arctic grove]

Id have to agree

[errant scarab]

BF4 maps, weapons, sounds, graphic, levolution, destruction

[hexed mango]

i mean 4 by all means is a good game, def pretty fun, i personally like 1 more for shits and giggles but whatever

[spiral folio]

Well like bf1 and bf5 had guns like
"Mauser"
"Mauser infantry"
"Mauser marksman"
"Mauser sniper"

[magic bloom]

I was joking

[spiral folio]

4 guns!

[hexed mango]

bf4 maps arent really that good... i mean if you think railway and silk road are good maps i dunno what to say

[errant scarab]

Skins skins

[arctic grove]

In reality its just 1

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They perfected first person takedown with 1/V and then they dumped it for a buggy system that is way less immersive and flexible

[arctic grove]

Rose tinted glasses

[pastel loom]

that was only bf1

[spiral folio]

Bf1 had a lot of guns sure it was like Forgotten Weapons made into a game.

[errant scarab]

3 person takedown in battlefield? Dude

[hexed mango]

idk too much about bfv so i cant say for sure, but yeah i wasnt too fond of that in bf1, but at least the guns themselves were unique

[spiral folio]

But bf1 also repeated guns like 4 times each

[hexed mango]

gotta accommodate somehow for gameplay

[arctic grove]

The problem isn’t them being in 3rd person. It’s just they replaced a dynamic melee system with some shit you strictly have to be behind the enemy for to work

And half of the time it doesn’t

[hexed mango]

i agree

[spiral folio]

Bf5 at least narrowed it a little with prebattle customization. But not all guns were totally unique either

[hexed mango]

contextual takedowns >>>

[arctic grove]

FIrst person takedown >>>>

You could’ve got 1 and Vs melees in third person and that shit would’ve been dope as hell

[analog fractal]

Having takedown be third person is just wank in general, less immersive

[spiral folio]

Itd be like how many guns could 2042 have if they added eeeeeeevery siiingle 5.56 semi automatic rifle that exists

[slow tulip]

Bf2042 is still glitched. I went under the floor

[hexed mango]

i mean if they were in 3rd person but contextually good and effective, i wouldnt mind too much

[arctic grove]

Considering NATO is about 28 countries (?) and most have their own service rifles, that’s 28 ARs off the rip

[analog fractal]

Even if the third person takedown were contextual and worked like 1/V, it would still be worse because loss of immersion

[hexed mango]

i would still want them to be 1st person, but the issue lies more in the system that they used to replace the takedowns in terms of cosmetics.

[spiral folio]

Mechanically the ar15 and mini14 are different rifles but both send a 556 down range basically the same speed

[arctic grove]

Maybe to you but it makes zero real difference

[magic bloom]

How many takedowns do you get in a game anyway

[arctic grove]

Camera perspective isn’t the problem, iit’s s just the system period

[hexed mango]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_5.56×45mm_NATO_firearms

[analog fractal]

Even so, the system we have in 2042 is worse on every level

[arctic grove]

If you really set yourself out for them, probably a few

[magic bloom]

Exactly I’d rather just shoot the dude and be over with it

[arctic grove]

Takedowns are pretty goofy, the animations themselves are fine, I just hate having them only work if I’m behind a player. As opposed to something depending on angle and the enemies position (prone, crouch, stand)

[upbeat sluice]

I'd rather throwing knife him and then pull the knife from their corpse

[hexed mango]

tho tbh, lore-wise they'd prioritize us and ru weapons

[arctic grove]

The takedown animations would be literally fine for contextual behind the enemy kills

[upbeat sluice]

Takedowns take for fucking ever

[spiral folio]

Right do we need aaall of em?
Nah
Like unless they have wildly different accuracies, fire rates, velocities why

[arctic grove]

But yeah lemme help this guy up off the ground just to kick him back down anyways

[upbeat sluice]

Lol

[hexed mango]

nah but it'd be nice to have some more

[hybrid totem]

Since you can die while using a takedown, the best one is the stock one

[spiral folio]

Historical games do cause everyone wants their favorite one

[hybrid totem]

takes the least time

[hexed mango]

wait wtf Ruger mini-14 is a service rifle presently used

[spiral folio]

Like i said
Bf1 was basically "Forgotten Weapons" as a game

[magic bloom]

Yes it is

[hexed mango]

oh nvm its limited to use by police/military with the automatic version

[upbeat sluice]

The best takedown is a headshot

[hexed mango]

AC556

[spiral folio]

Yea some nations do actually use the mini14

[hexed mango]

they should totally add the mini14

[analog fractal]

No other game does or did first person takedowns like 4/1/V, a ton of shooters like CoD does third person

[spiral folio]

In 7.62

[hexed mango]

we should get some more bullpups

[analog fractal]

I rather BF keep being unique

[hexed mango]

mdr or smth

[spiral folio]

I want 4th person takedowns where some random guy describes it

[hexed mango]

i want 5th person takedowns

[spiral folio]

5th is the perspective of the guy being told about the takedown

[hexed mango]

yes

[solid imp]

I think 4th person would be a whole group describing the takedown

[arctic grove]

My favorite takedown moment is when they are laying down and then you pick them up just to slit their throat

[analog fractal]

2nd perspective takedowns, you see your own charcther killing the enemy through their eyes

[hexed mango]

today i learned that the Houston Astros were originally called the Houston Colt .45s

[arctic grove]

Too bad they changed their name

[solid imp]

😂 just the other day I was thinking what would an SPS game be like...

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https://youtu.be/cvO7QvIAZGY
in other campaigns too but in mp they use third person

[hexed mango]

while searching for weapons they should add. stumbled upon a wikipedia article of some guy that played for the red sox and was drafted to the colt .45s, very interesting.

[analog fractal]

So dumb...

But it's cod, gotta sell skins

[mossy badge]

just like your opinions

also you

[hexed mango]

(the guy wasnt very good, hit 57 doubles, 12 triples, 54 hrs, 449 hits in 627 games)

[spiral folio]

I avoid takedowns mostly

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This server seriously sucks ass

[spiral folio]

Takes too long

[hexed mango]

thank you

[spiral folio]

🚪

[hexed mango]

(someone should rule 10 this guy) jkjk

[analog fractal]

People always harassing others over their opinions

[hexed mango]

your opinions are your own

[arctic grove]

I shall ping mod

[hexed mango]

got nothing against your ideas, even tho du does seem to

[spiral folio]

You missed our spirited lecture about overwatch/area denial

[hexed mango]

damn

[spiral folio]

I say lecture of course because only I was correct

[molten marten]

Hey all , thinking of getting 2042 again after refunding it originally back in Nov 2021 , are there any permanent 64 player modes in the game atm ? last i heard they were time-limited and all that so idk

[hexed mango]

what platform?

[mossy badge]

you called someone's hardwork dumb

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Every time I state my thoughts about 2042, people go up in flames and whine. You don't have to be rude and shit just because you don't agree, I would never tell anyone they're wrong for liking 2042

[molten marten]

PC - Steam

[hexed mango]

cause CQ on next gen is 128p unless you play exodus CQ (which i think is 64p)
BT is always 64p, besides the current limited time gamemode for 128p
Rush is 32, TDM is 16 i think

and portal has varied

[analog fractal]

Bruh what? The hell kinda of contrived excuse is that

[mossy badge]

trust me no one follow this rule and also there is rule 10 here

[solid imp]

Folks let's all chill just a bit

[hexed mango]

i concur

[solid imp]

opinions aren't changed on the internet

[hexed mango]

fr

[mossy badge]

u can use your mind

[hexed mango]

itll just end in argument and violence

[edgy oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/travis-scott-fire-mood-scream-gif-12489711

[spiral folio]

Are they changed with force?

[solid imp]

Please don't burn our discord down 🙂

[spiral folio]

Why did i

[molten marten]

Thanks , do you happen to know if TDM is popular on PC as well or is it dead like in many older BF games ?

[spiral folio]

Bring all these matches

[hexed mango]

what region are you in?

[solid imp]

decisions decisions lol

[molten marten]

EU

[hexed mango]

they are never changed

[analog fractal]

I never said anyones "hard work" is dumb. I'm just saying having third person takedowns in MP is dumb when they could've clearly used first person ones like in the SP.

[spiral folio]

Im not lugging them all back with me

[solid imp]

lugging

how big are these matches?

[hexed mango]

you can possibly have luck getting into a server, im not too sure how good EU servers are overall, but i think you'd be alright

[spiral folio]

They're normal non-explosive.. white phosphorus magnesium matches

[hexed mango]

CQ and BT are def the more popular modes tho, rush and tdm arent bad over here in NA, usually always find lobbies

[solid imp]

"normal" =/= white phosphorous magnesium

[molten marten]

Gotcha tyvm

[hexed mango]

np

[arctic grove]

I mean your opinion is ‘this thing is dumb because it’s not what i prefer’, which strays outside of the realm of just subjectives, something you called out others for here for not accepting

[molten marten]

guess imma re-purchase the game then lol

[hexed mango]

its gotten a lot better

[spiral folio]

Its normal trust me. If you wanna start a fire. That definitely will happen.

[hexed mango]

there's a big update coming out soon as well

[spiral folio]

Though you need a mini-nano match to start em

[solid imp]

well now we're back to you saying you brought "normal" matches lol

[molten marten]

Sounds nice , fingers crossed they keep supporting the game for a good while and not pull out its plug like they did with BF V

[spiral folio]

Yes normal ones and then mini nano wooden ones to start them

[hexed mango]

as of now, support is planned to the end of the year, with S5 being announced, we'll see if they go past that

[solid imp]

game has been confirmed past season 4

[arctic grove]

I doubt they’d announce anything past S5 simply because we’re only halfway through S3

[molten marten]

You mean by yhe end of 2023 ? Sounds good enough to me

[hexed mango]

yes this year

[spiral folio]

They didnt confirm that seasons past 4 would use numbers, colors, letters, or shapes though

[hexed mango]

bruh shutup

[solid imp]

but I think we know they'll use containers

[analog fractal]

So me thinking a game design aspect is "dumb" (i litterally just meant i think it's bad, it's interchangeable) is over the line but someone calling my opinions dumb and posting "door emojis" is fine here?

[hexed mango]

ah yes

[spiral folio]

Wake-tainer island

[hexed mango]

everyone's favorite

container gaming

™️ gaming

[spiral folio]

Dalian Shipping company

[mossy badge]

yeah shipment is my favorite map

[solid imp]

Dalian... I miss it

[arctic grove]

Well if you believe it’s bad cool, I can only work with what you yourself said, aka “it’s dumb they used third person anims when they had first person anims”.

Those two things are not interchangeable

[analog fractal]

If only 2042 had a fun CQ map like Shipment tbh

[molten marten]

Oh and one more stupid question , has the performance seen any improvements on PC by any chance?

[spiral folio]

The next map will be the huge container yard you see in the distance of the shipping yard map

No hill just container

[hexed mango]

spearhead is pretty fun on bt

stranded***

god the S named maps

[spiral folio]

Spearhead and stranded are polar opppsites almost

[hexed mango]

the names

[arctic grove]

Hell. Alpha sector of Manifest in a TDM template could function similar

[mossy badge]

u wont like it
128 players in shipment 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

[hexed mango]

if i had the ability, i would redesign all the rush and tdm layouts

[solid imp]

People say they want a Golmud remake but Spearhead is already Golmud yea?

[hexed mango]

and some of the BT layouts

[spiral folio]

My pet peeve
Breakaway is the map where you're exposed to the cold

Exposure is the one where the map broke away

[hexed mango]

please no golmud remake

[arctic grove]

What do people mean by a Golmud remake? Is it the vehicle freedom? Or the maps setting?

[hexed mango]

also i dont think spearhead is golmud

[solid imp]

I don't even know but it seems to have a special place in people's hearts but I suspect that has to do with driving the AA 🙂

[hexed mango]

i dont really like it

[spiral folio]

What is the forgettable shipping port maps name

[arctic grove]

Oh man I love golmud for whenever I wanna play vehicles

[analog fractal]

It's not like 2042 maps are any good anyway, might as well have a close quarter map with lots of chaotic action

[autumn cairn]

Bring back Harvest Day

I said it

[spiral folio]

Oktoberfest?

[hexed mango]

i mean i think the new maps are pretty decent, and the reworks while not major (yet, hopes for breakaway), have been good

[fiery shoal]

not a dispute, people just say stupid shit

[visual horizon]

[hexed mango]

it is the internet

[analog fractal]

The first season map is good, dislike the second one, the third is OK

[mossy badge]

i also agree on this 😔

[hexed mango]

i really liked stranded, specifically for BT

[analog fractal]

The base game maps are all bad or mid

[hexed mango]

Orbital and Manifest are good

all others are eh

[solid imp]

Harvest Day where the sight distance isn't limited by graphics and so is basically wide open lol

[fiery shoal]

unfortunately that means a lot of uneducated people just say dumb shit, even if information is readily available... ignorance is bliss and all though

[hexed mango]

lol

[autumn cairn]

Wtf

Why did it delete my reply

[analog fractal]

DICE managed to make boring/bad maps without any of the destruction people enjoyed from previous games

[autumn cairn]

My beloved

[hexed mango]

i agree on the destruction part, but if youre about to bring up levolutions, i disagree

[autumn cairn]

Harvest Day

[analog fractal]

The redesigns are OK, but they are fundamentally not very interesting imo

[autumn cairn]

[analog fractal]

Not talking leveloutions, they are bad most of the times

[autumn cairn]

The snow map from bad company 2 please

[hexed mango]

agreed

[spiral folio]

Think ive had a 1000m kill on 2042. Bf1 was like "wow 400m you can barely SEE that far"

[autumn cairn]

[mossy badge]

awesome profile picture you got

[autumn cairn]

Thank you

[solid imp]

White Pass?

[autumn cairn]

Yes

[spiral folio]

Bf5 i think i had one at 700m which us like game-limits almost

[solid imp]

good one

[fiery shoal]

id be interested in seeing what exactly makes them fundamentally uninteresting.. (awaits for "empty" comment)

[hoary frigate]

Anyone know any quick ways to tier 1 crawford?

[arctic grove]

My longest shot in BF1 is like 180 meters with an iron sights Mosin

[autumn cairn]

Mine is 10 meters

[spiral folio]

My longest was the tankgewehr probabky

[arctic grove]

I barely saw the scope glint but I sure as hell got that shot

I clipped it too

[solid imp]

don't focus on finishing the kill, aim at groups and all those assists rack up fast 👍

[hexed mango]

i do agree that destruction in this game is limited on the 2042 maps. it is clear by the portal maps, and by the limited destruction in 2042 maps, that there is a destruction framework, its just that the maps in 2042 dont utilize it to the full extent.

for example, Spearhead, the walls on the outside of the cubes are destructible, and its pretty decent destruction as well, but the interior walls are made out of some fucking heavy ass metals that cant be dented in the slightest. and that annoys me.

[spiral folio]

A modern tankgewehr would be cool

[hexed mango]

it would be amazing if we could use c5 and blast a hole in the wall on the inside or at the bottom of the cube

[spiral folio]

(Ie the snipeX trex)

[hexed mango]

same goes for other maps, and for the containers especially, it would be nice to be able to damage them in some way other than the doors

[hoary frigate]

Yeah thats whay ive been trying. still hard though. i botted up to t3 now i need like 1k kills/assist with him. i think pairing it with repair tool helps keep it up

[solid imp]

agreed that containers should have some possibility to get knocked around, banged up, etc

[autumn cairn]

Allowing the game to ship on last gen probably limited a lot of what they could have done destruction wise

[spiral folio]

Containers are really heavy

[fiery shoal]

i do wish blowing holes in walls was more common, but the complaint that massive buildings arent destructible has been present in every BF title except for the specific levolution events.. its just previous bf titles that had a lot of quantity destruction were titles that featured a lot of small buildings.. see bf1 and bfv

[solid imp]

so is a tank shell yea?

[hexed mango]

it is quite sad there is seemingly no physics

[spiral folio]

Theyre designed to bang around and hold tons of weight

[arctic grove]

Yeah exactly

[solid imp]

I mean the force imparted by the shell

not just the mass of it

[autumn cairn]

I am going to say it

[spiral folio]

If you shoot a container jt just... makes a hole

[arctic grove]

The most destructible buildings were typically small

[autumn cairn]

I like 2042

[solid imp]

You're not alone

[autumn cairn]

[hexed mango]

yeah i agree, obviously some structures are better left undestroyed, but there are some that seem like they should be destroyable

[fiery shoal]

and the 2 previous bf titles featured a lot of small buildings

[solid imp]

I've been playing since Nov '21 happily

[hexed mango]

and at the least, small portions of walls

[autumn cairn]

It’s my favorite unwind game

[hexed mango]

and yeah if you compare to the portal maps, there are more small buildings, like on botb and arica for example

[fiery shoal]

itd be badass if the walls to the stadium in hourglass could be blown open, would be a really cool feature

[hexed mango]

same, but my arm has never been more upset

[arctic grove]

I agree with that as well

[hexed mango]

itd be bad ass if dice incorporated the stadium more

[solid imp]

yes, was just typing that as well 🙂

[fiery shoal]

i only play conquest, so its always contested

[solid imp]

stadium is the #1 spot whole game

any map

[fiery shoal]

ive heard that its not even in BT which is.. weird

[hexed mango]

the og Hourglass BT layout was kinda nice, besides B sector having 2 sectors in opposing directions, it was nice

[solid imp]

the stadium could easily support a CQ small mode all on its own

[hexed mango]

yeah the og hourglass layout for bt included it as the starting point for the (US?) team on attack

[fiery shoal]

stadium is a banger of an area to fight in

[hexed mango]

but now it isnt in the layout at all

[fiery shoal]

i wish they had the cap points on different levels though to spread players out a bit though

[hexed mango]

things i hate:
BT layouts (mainly exposure and hourglass, basically all of the new changes to the layouts since 128p bt was removed, and after S1)

[solid imp]

it's like Rogue Transmission in the middle of the stadium 🙂

[hexed mango]

i liked that map

[arctic grove]

Typically when it comes to Hourglass I’d like to imagine the map look more like that concept art photo

With revisions though

[hexed mango]

i agree

[spiral folio]

But yea containers are like 2mm thick corrogated steel. So even if you shot em to shit they retain a ton of strength

[arctic grove]

Some of the sand hills in the concept art are massive

[hexed mango]

the concept was nice

[spiral folio]

I dont think 556 steelcore will penetrate 2mm

[hexed mango]

and the images shown in the Exodus trailer make it seem like it is on a massive hill with much more city

[spiral folio]

7.62 might

[arctic grove]

That’s something I personally would’ve liked to see

[hexed mango]

🤞 for the S5 rework to be amazing

in the meantime

dice feed me some 3.2 news!

[analog fractal]

When is the class changes coming?

[hexed mango]

this month

[analog fractal]

Goddamn...

So slow

[hexed mango]

presumably later in the month

[solid imp]

teehee https://www.ea.com/games/battlefield/battlefield-2042/news/battlefield-2042-update-notes-3-2

[hexed mango]

wait

[solid imp]

🤣

[hexed mango]

bruh what the fuck

that's 0.3

right?

0.3.2

[analog fractal]

At least I'm happy about DICE accepting the fact that their heroes system is subpar and that people want classes

[solid imp]

lol yes but it's technically called update 3.2

[arctic grove]

Finally they’re making the canister good

Oh wait

[analog fractal]

If only DICE had focuses groups with BF fans they would've caught that in development lol

[arctic grove]

That’s an older update?

[hexed mango]

yeah cause they didnt know how to do the semver before s1

[solid imp]

Yeah they really chose some odd version/update naming conventions early on

[hexed mango]

yeah preseason

[solid imp]

like... not at all clear it was 0.* versions

[arctic grove]

Ohhh

[hexed mango]

well now based on that, the real update 3.2 will be on jan 20

wouldnt that be funny

[spiral folio]

Version numbers are arbitrary

[solid imp]

hahaha that would be great

[hexed mango]

update 3.2 2022 and update 3.2 2023 on the same date

[spiral folio]

They can even go like 3.2.2.b.1

[solid imp]

woof

[spiral folio]

Its just whatever they want

[solid imp]

I mean that may be what they have in really branched off efforts

[spiral folio]

Ive seen some with letters in the middle

[hexed mango]

i mean its supposed to be major.minor.patch generally speaking
the update internally was 0.3.2 as in its preseason (0) update 3, patch 2

[mossy badge]

dude you need to look at mozzy.org/bfstats discord profile banner

[spiral folio]

Its like when you write a paper and it goes back and forth so many times it ends up like "paper2bfinaldone"

[hexed mango]

the next update post is probs gonna be 3.2.0 or 3-2-0 on the url

https://www.ea.com/games/battlefield/battlefield-2042/news/battlefield-2042-update-notes-3-2-0

[nova lily]

At least battlebit isnt dead and battlefields destruction isnt that great honestly

[chilly jacinth]

battlebit hasnt even released yet though has it

[spiral folio]

Gerp

[nova lily]

It gets more players during playtests tho

more than battlefield

[chilly jacinth]

because its free during playtests no?

[fiery shoal]

same 24 hour peak, and 2042 pulls from steam, origin, EGS, ps, and xbox...

[chilly jacinth]

and wont be later down the line

[fiery shoal]

youre talking out your ass my dude

[arctic grove]

Not to mention Battlebit still doesn’t contend with Battlefield in anything except it’s destruction and lobby sizes

[fiery shoal]

id suggest AT LEAST x3 the steam player count to get the total amount of players... so we are talking about at least 30k players for 2042..

far from "dead"

[edgy oriole]

i already got my strat with battlebit

[arctic grove]

There’s more to Battlefield than large lobbies and destruction my dude

[edgy oriole]

speed level until i get vector then farm

[fiery shoal]

dont try, i already tried to explain this to them and they are just ignoring it for their own false notions

[nova lily]

The game literally has 1-2 devs while the others spent thousands in ads

[fiery shoal]

i mean.. dude did just come in with the "2042 dead" card even though you can just google player counts...

[nova lily]

if people talk so much about it on yt then there is a reason

[arctic grove]

Hardly

When did you last play 2042

[chilly jacinth]

its using roblox bullshit

[nova lily]

What hardly 🤣

[fiery shoal]

how dare you questions 2042 only having 1-2 devs... thats 100% accurate and there are several sources to prove this statement...

[nova lily]

whats wrong with roblox?

[fiery shoal]

what a joke

[nova lily]

i meant battlebit

[chilly jacinth]

im saying its using alot of roblox resources

[nova lily]

an entire team to make a shit game

[fiery shoal]

gotcha, well battlebit looks like it has 1-2 devs...

[chilly jacinth]

which means you dont need 6 billion devs

[arctic grove]

Not rly its just low poly

[fiery shoal]

is anyone surprised with that?

[nova lily]

People like it tho

[fiery shoal]

cool? people like a lot of weird shit

[nova lily]

lmfao

[fiery shoal]

people liking anything isnt an indication of anything...

[nova lily]

nice answer

[arctic grove]

Why cant you just accept both games are good but different

[fiery shoal]

people like cardi b, a shit load actually.. does that mean cardi b is one of the best rappers/artists ever?

[arctic grove]

Or must there be 1 superior pixel shooting game

[nova lily]

i didnt say bf is bad

[arctic grove]

You said it was dead

With 12k on steam

[nova lily]

but not dead

[arctic grove]

You talking shit bro

[edgy oriole]

dead means no updates

imo

[fiery shoal]

dead could mean a lot of things, none of them are applicable to 2042 ironically...

[arctic grove]

Dead is no updates and or no players

And 2042 is neither

[nova lily]

32% of the reviews is positive 🤡

[fiery shoal]

that has nothing to do with the game being dead or not though...

[arctic grove]

Yeah lol

[edgy oriole]

majority of steam reviews are memes

[fiery shoal]

also that...

wasnt one of the featured reviews a recipe?

[edgy oriole]

there is literally neg reviews saying the game is good

[fiery shoal]

my favorite is when people think that a 30% recommended means the game is 3/10...

thats literally not what that means but ok

up until season 3 i would have given 2042 a 6/10, which means i wouldnt recommend it to anyone unless it was on sale

[mossy badge]

ok dude I agree with you it's a trash game but remember you can play something else, find a good game

[fiery shoal]

the correlations people draw are utterly dumbfounding..

[edgy oriole]

i only recommended it when it was 30. now its regularly below that i recommend it. i still with my 7/10 rating tho

[fiery shoal]

yea sub 30 was my recommendation

[autumn cairn]

I know the game is not the best battlefield game but its fun for me so

[fiery shoal]

imo theres no universal best bf, they are all so different

[edgy oriole]

multiplayer only games need to be 30-45 imo

[fiery shoal]

eh, i dont think theres a hard or fast rule for pricing

[autumn cairn]

My personal favorite is BC2. ☺️

[nova lily]

steam is showing that the average of the reviews in this month is positive

average

[fiery shoal]

cool? really dont see why that matters other than shit meme takes along the line of "lul 2042 bad" like youve been suggesting

like.. does your hate for a product that you can ignore make you feel better if other people agree?

talk about lacking anything meaningful in your life...

[mossy badge]

My personal favorite is MW19

[autumn cairn]

[fiery shoal]

currently my favorite bf is bfv, just because of its modern mechanics. i hate spread based shooting mechanics so bf3/4 is just eliminated based on that

[edgy oriole]

bfv pacific is PEAK

[autumn cairn]

The best bf game is WW3

[edgy oriole]

ww3 gunplay is pretty solid imo. servers both ass cheeks

[fiery shoal]

i was super interested in ww3 until it launched...

[autumn cairn]

I enjoy it but leveling takes 40 years and last time I played I couldn’t find a full server.

[spiral folio]

2042 is basically ww3

[edgy oriole]

mw ground war is ww3

[mossy badge]

I played v last week I found it boring as hell
Battlefield isn't for me
I played tdm in battlefield I for few hours and then uninstalled it
I just play battlefield for graphics at this point

[edgy oriole]

ww3 is nothing like bf

[mossy badge]

Maybe next one will be awesome

[spiral folio]

I dont mean a game called ww3

Never even heard of it

[mossy badge]

🙌

[spiral folio]

I mean 2042 is a literal 3rd world war

[autumn cairn]

I play 2042 because I like seeing all the ping bing ball assists pop up on my screen when I toss one into a group of 30 players

[spiral folio]

And not a war only involving 3rd world nations

[mossy badge]

Worst depiction of ww3

[spiral folio]

Fallout?

I mean you barely see the war

[mossy badge]

Needs alot of improvement

Tornado is cool

[fiery shoal]

imo 2042 has the best squad gameplay, which means playing it with friends is actually a blast and i would rate 2042 9/10 with friends

[mossy badge]

Sandstorm too

[fiery shoal]

7/10 solo

[mossy badge]

[spiral folio]

Bf2062 will introduce power armor and fight over anchorage

Bf2077 expansion, nukes added

[mossy badge]

I played 2042 with friends too they were the one who uninstalled it faster than me

[fiery shoal]

my friends hated it at launch, i got them to try it again for season 2 and 3, most of them kept it installed and play it more than me now

not that i play it a lot but still

[mossy badge]

Everyone has their taste

One of my friend bought it in recent sale and he also refunded

[fiery shoal]

ye.. some people like open loadouts some like locked loadouts

id argue now that 2042 isnt objectively bad, but people preference can still not like it of course

[spiral folio]

I could tell the basic engine of the game was good early on it just needed sone cracks filled in

So i played solos for a while

[mossy badge]

I don't know how people can hate the freedom

[fiery shoal]

previous bf titles werent about freedom

[mossy badge]

That class system will lock snipers in recon category again

GG

[spiral folio]

Yea...

Ive got other games

We shall see

[fiery shoal]

its preference if you like locked vs open loadouts.. but id argue that considering all previous titles had locked loadouts means its more fitting for the franchise

[spiral folio]

"Its always been this way"
Is the worst argument

[mossy badge]

but give the fanbase what they want
my god people out there send death threats cmon bro can play something else

[fiery shoal]

id argue not when you are talking about a franchise

[spiral folio]

We'd still have kings otherwise

[fiery shoal]

we still do?

[subtle raptor]

The class system will not have locked loudouts

[autumn cairn]

I thought guns were not being restricted to classes?

[spiral folio]

Not my king i didnt vote for em

[fiery shoal]

you dont vote for kings?

[subtle raptor]

Just different classes will have advantages for using certain guns

[fiery shoal]

the class system will be locked except for weapons

[autumn cairn]

Classs will just have passive perks to in incentivize using one type of gun

[spiral folio]

Some gadgets are class locked and if you use non-class weapons you get a nerf for it

[fiery shoal]

bf before had completely locked loadouts, 2042 went fully open, people didnt like it so now we are getting a mix of the 2

[autumn cairn]

I remember seeing one class is getting a utility weapon buff

Big L

[fiery shoal]

each class had a specific weapon perk

[subtle raptor]

I'm just disappointed that it's not limited to 1 of each class per squad

Rocket spam is the worst part of this game rn

[mossy badge]

add a specialist that can wallrun horizontally and vertically

[spiral folio]

For me it means lis cant carry ammo. And even worse, they consider her an engineer class so... who knows what thatll mean for weapons

[mossy badge]

[solid imp]

My Engineer kit is waiting for that utility weapon buff

[autumn cairn]

Engineers are the ones get the utility weapon buff

[mossy badge]

diagonally

too

[subtle raptor]

Exoskeletons/Exosuits could be added

[autumn cairn]

Have fun with shotguns and crossbows lol

[subtle raptor]

Would be cool but broken maybe no guns while doing it

[solid imp]

railgun is utility 😉

not just shottie and xbow

[fiery shoal]

the thing with perks, you dont HAVE to use the weapons

[autumn cairn]

Oh shi you right

[mossy badge]

nahhhh people want cold war battlefield game 💤💤💤💤💤💤💤

[fiery shoal]

im going to run recon just for beacon but i wont use snipers

[spiral folio]

Maybe not so bad then since shes my vehicle killer with the rail

Chasing down ammo however

Cause if you 100% deplete the rail it takes two cycles to refill

[subtle raptor]

Railgun crossbow and gvt should be marksman

[fiery shoal]

imo bring back ammo/health caches like bfv, put them in obj to reward obj play

[subtle raptor]

Make shotguns their own class

[ebon pilot]

no

[spiral folio]

Yea thatd be nice

Ammo dumps

[subtle raptor]

Why

[spiral folio]

Shotguns dont need a class shotgun users arent even people

[ebon pilot]

smallest gun class in the game and would basically limit the utility class to lever-action, crossbow, and railgun

[mossy badge]

you can make cover in that game too right by sandbags
they always add sandbags and shipping container but forget about that players could do that in old game cmon

[subtle raptor]

I also said move those 3 to marksman

[fiery shoal]

yea, though it was hardly used, even though i personally loved the building mechanics

[autumn cairn]

Ohhh prox sensor doesn’t take up grenade slot

Cool

[mossy badge]

let me add sandbags to the map

[spiral folio]

I kinda figured utility weapons would be neutral

[mossy badge]

[tough folio]

what fov does jack frags play on

[analog fractal]

🙏🙏🙏

[fiery shoal]

bfv was so damn good

[ebon pilot]

but all of them are either

1. not really marksman weapons (railgun, crossbow)
2. completely outclassed by marksman weapons (lever-action)

[analog fractal]

BFV is a gem after the pacific update

[fiery shoal]

anyone who says otherwise doesnt care about gameplay or is holding on to some irrelevant shit like the launch trailer or what a dev said

[analog fractal]

It's sucks that they killed it

[spiral folio]

I'm reasonably good at crossbows :v

[mossy badge]

can you tell me how much time it takes to end one game of battlefield v
i was playing it for more than 20 minutes and it wasnt ending

[spiral folio]

Like the side tunnels on stranded

[analog fractal]

V could've grown, it had potential

[mossy badge]

😵‍💫

[tough folio]

i didnt play cause when i did at launch, flying the planes felt clunky

[analog fractal]

It was amazing, yes

Felt like an actual war

Same goes for 1

[fiery shoal]

i played conquest only, which was like 20 minute matches only. what game mode did you play?

[fiery shoal]

tbf i never used vehicles so idk anything about them

[analog fractal]

2042 was looney tunes at launch in comparison

[mossy badge]

i selected tdm there was nobody in who was playing tdm sooo i chose a 64 player game which had 140ms that was the least ping game i can enter into

[analog fractal]

The whole attrition war aspect is completely gone in 2042, even though its supposed to be WW3

[fiery shoal]

thats weird, granted i havent tried to play bfv since launch, i had my fill of that game so i wont be going back

[subtle raptor]

Crossbow and lever action are definitely marksman they're just a little different than the other 4, but you could say the same about the vcar. With the railgun yeah it's hard to move that since it could fit in assault marksman or sniper but I think given the size and handling it fits better with marksman

[mossy badge]

maybe it was conquest or breakthrough

[mossy badge]

bf1 guns sound amazing 😳

[ebon pilot]

crossbow is really a class of its own. it really shines in close-quarters cover combat. beyond 50m, travel time, arrow drop, and no one-shot except headshot makes it pitiful as a marksman weapon

[analog fractal]

Yeah, not sure why guns sound less intimatdating in 2042...

[subtle raptor]

Sounds like the vcar

[ebon pilot]

vcar i can actually kill people with beyond 50m

[fiery shoal]

i mean.. and smg CAN kill beyond 50m, doesnt mean its good at it

[ebon pilot]

crossbow is a crapshoot that i occasionally hit headshots with on a whim

[mossy badge]

https://youtu.be/3vgmV4uYKPU

i was watching this and i like BF1 gun sounds more

[mossy badge]

🤔 this guy could have chosen a nice shotgun screenshot for his video thumbnail

🥲

[fiery shoal]

eh.. they are likely going for the meme "lul bfv bad" angle

[mossy badge]

no no no he is just comparing sounds

thats what that channel is all about

[fiery shoal]

yea but that screenshot is weird

[wise zodiac]

Has anyone tried Enlisted?

[arctic grove]

probably a click bait

[mossy badge]

it is it is

[wise zodiac]

Is it good?

[arctic grove]

Enlisted is really janky

Good w friends to mess around though

[edgy oriole]

i played it when you had to order it. i thought it was pretty fun. i ended up stop playing tho bc more games came out

i recommend it just based on how it was before. idk how it is now

[wide shore]

It’s fun if you like to sit back, relax and rack up kills. The immersion is nice, and the maps look great. But the over monetization mixed with insanely bad grinding, unexplained gameplay systems (mainly the leveling system) will be turn offs.

[edgy oriole]

you know what im finna figure out my login and reinstall it now

[wise zodiac]

The movement & aiming seem REALLY off

[arctic grove]

Me as a casper main using the drone for spot assist

[wide shore]

It is. But it’s not bad for the game itself. Since everyone is like that, and you’ll mostly be fighting bots. It’s not so bad.

It has improved since launch

[edgy oriole]

there was a point in time where planes could spawn kill your whole team at the start of the match. i think they fixed that before i stopped playing

[wide shore]

Planes when I last played were insane. One bombing run could net you like 20 kills.

[wise zodiac]

Just the movement and aiming made me feel a bit nauseous.

Definitely not playing that after the tutorial.

[wide shore]

It’s a fun casual game imo. But it’s not very rewarding (probably on purpose so you buy stuff)

They’re not subtle about their microtransactions at all.

[wise zodiac]

Maybe so... but if I start getting vertigo and begin to feel nauseous, I'm not playing the game. Lol

[wide shore]

That’s fair. I’m just saying in general.

[wise zodiac]

OH YAY, BAD BATCH S2 IS OUT!

[wide shore]

He said he tried the tutorial I think

[wise zodiac]

Yeah I just played the tutorial.

[azure rampart]

[wise zodiac]

I just played HLL as a squad leader for the first time last night. I had hella fun.

[edgy oriole]

too much yelling for squad lead and commander for me

cant hear myself think

[wise zodiac]

I had a good squad last night and I said "sorry, I apologize, I'm new at this game and never played squad leader before" and everyone was hella chill

Also helps that @undone bone was Commander, so I wasn't getting my ass laid into 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[edgy oriole]

i think everyone is always nice to squad lead bc nobody wants to do it. the couple times i did it was always "hey man dont worry" "your killing it"

[wise zodiac]

🤣🤣

[kindred flint]

some video of a guy abusing the mg42 in that game farming all the free trial weekend players ..one of the top comments "well thats how you make sure they dont come back to the game"

[kindred flint]

how much dem hacks yo?

[azure rampart]

[wise zodiac]

It was hella fun last night because I set my guys up on a little town right on the outskirts of an obj, and had them in these houses covering this T-intersection.

And then the friendly tanks came in, and I started coordinating with the tank crews and we ended up holding off a counter attack by a numerically superior group. It was nuts.

[wise zodiac]

Great shot

[kindred flint]

@azure rampart did you post that spin botter in here from the other week?

[azure rampart]

nah

[kindred flint]

bruh do it

[azure rampart]

cant be arsed to censor names

[kindred flint]

ignore that rule everyone else does

[sharp marten]

[edgy oriole]

censor names?

never heard of it

[mossy badge]

where is windowsman have you wished him happy new year ?

i think i didnt

[analog fractal]

The marketing killed V

It's sad, because it was geuinely good after updates

[spiral folio]

I dont think anyone really paid attention to the ads or "some random idiot talk"

[analog fractal]

Marketing was ironically phenomenal for 2042 (because they hid all the bs) and the game flopped because it was a mess and unfinished

Nothing in the reveal trailer even hinted at heroes, because they knew it was ass

[fiery shoal]

bfv still sold well, same with 2042.. its only within the "core" group that either title had any bad perception

[spiral folio]

I think people also conflate flop with "had virally stupid ragers in the comments section"

[analog fractal]

Literally everyone wanted faceless soldiers or customisable ones like V lol

[spiral folio]

If you outsource your thinking to youtube than make up your own mind sure

[fiery shoal]

bf titles are blockbuster casual titles, 90% of the sales are from casuals that just pick it up because of its name

[spiral folio]

Faceless.

I remember faces

[fiery shoal]

guaranteed a vast majority of people dont care

[spiral folio]

Doesnt matter much to me. Like some of the voices are annoying i guess

[analog fractal]

Ehh, People clearly wasn't a fan of heroes in 2042 tho?

[fiery shoal]

even within this discord id argue a small proportion wanted faceless soldiers... and this is a small sample of some 200k people out of tens of millions of people who actually bought the game

[fiery shoal]

yes.. there are people that dont like the specialists in 2042.. that doesnt really say anything of worth though

[analog fractal]

When I meant faceless soldiers, I meant no heroes

Not litterally all soldiers with no faces

[spiral folio]

Theres a marked difference in like...

Hero shooters where each character is different and has specific weapons

And like specialists that hace 1 special thing and then "the same stuff everyone has"

[fiery shoal]

some 10k upvotes on reddit complaining about specialists dont reflect the larger community of casuals that bought 2042

you are talking about a specific site dedicated to the "core" playerbase where said site is also known to circle jerk toxic comments for likes... thats not reflective of anything but that specific scenario

[analog fractal]

Are we gonna pretend that it's just a minority that didn't like the removal of classes for heroes....?

[fiery shoal]

misconception.. "heros" did not remove classes or change the loadouts to open either..

just because heros and open classes came at the same time does not mean heros were the cause for that

[analog fractal]

Where are all the people that love specialists then? Lol

[fiery shoal]

no one said that...

youre not comprehending what is being said

[analog fractal]

I seriously have never seen anyone argue that heroes were better than the class system

They are a small minority if anything

[fiery shoal]

if thats youre conclusion of whats being said here you have bad reading comprehension and are completely missing what im saying..

read this again... slowly
"just because heros and open classes came at the same time does not mean heros were the cause for that"

[analog fractal]

The "toxic" community of fans on reddit are ironically way more indicative of the BF core community, whether you like it or not

[fiery shoal]

no they arent

this game sells millions to casuals

[analog fractal]

So how come more BF fans play the older games then 2042?

[magic bloom]

Probably because people like them

[fiery shoal]

because people like the older titles?

[analog fractal]

Exactly

[fiery shoal]

that doesnt correlate to anything though...

[analog fractal]

They like them more than whatever tf 2042 turned out to be

So, I'd say it's indicative of the core community

[fiery shoal]

bfv was free or 5 bucks for the longest time, its huge in asia.. that doesnt mean anything that you are trying to suggest...

[ebon pilot]

"these people like the other games more than 2042 so clearly nobody likes 2042"

[fiery shoal]

we also dont have any indication of actual numbers either...

youre correlation, conclusions, and lack of reading comprehension are all really confusing @analog fractal

[analog fractal]

Nah

[fiery shoal]

like.. these are multi factored situation with really complex scenarios, and youre just boiling them down to simple "people dontl ike specialists"

[analog fractal]

No, I said people don't like 2042

[fiery shoal]

not only that but we have no idea of the full picture

[sharp marten]

People like 2042

[analog fractal]

And specialists is one of the reasons why

Clearly

[fiery shoal]

and people like 2042 and specialists are a reason why.. clearly...

you arent saying anything really...

[sharp marten]

If people didn’t like 2042 we wouldn’t be getting a S5

[analog fractal]

They're even bringing back the classes in an half assed attempt to improve and save this game

[fiery shoal]

classes were/are still in the game...

[sharp marten]

💀

[fiery shoal]

to circle back.. "heros" and open loadouts are not the same thing...

[sharp marten]

Dudes trying to make a relevant argument so bad

[analog fractal]

And you're calling me confusing

[fiery shoal]

he doesnt even know what specialists, classes, or locked/open loadouts are

[fiery shoal]

truly ironic considering you dont know what basic things are...

[ebon pilot]

No, anyone that actually plays 2042 knows what he's talking about

[analog fractal]

There isn't a class system, what the hell are you on about

[fiery shoal]

there are classes in the game...

[analog fractal]

They're adding one, however

[sharp marten]

Yes there is

[analog fractal]

My god, this is a joke

[fiery shoal]

youre telling me...

[sharp marten]

You’re a joke 💀

[fiery shoal]

since launch there were medics, assaults, recon, and engineers... THOSE are classes

LOCKED LOADOUTS which are partially coming back is a form of classes

[analog fractal]

That's not a class system

[fiery shoal]

yes it is...

[magic bloom]

Yes there is

[fiery shoal]

you have no idea what you are talking about...

[sharp marten]

That is definitely a class system

[ebon pilot]

they're divided into classes, it's a class system.

a very basic system but a system

[vocal zenith]

100% is a class system lol

[fiery shoal]

"heros" are a SUB GENRE of a class system as well...

you can have a class system WITH open loadouts.. like 2042 did at launch

[vocal zenith]

over watch has classes healers, dps, tanks etc

[fiery shoal]

^

[analog fractal]

I'm litterally talking to a hivemind that are purposely trying to misconstrue what a BF class system is

[magic bloom]

I mean if you wanna think about it soldiers in other battlefield games were specialists in some capacity

[fiery shoal]

because "hero shooters" are a subgenre of a class system

[sharp marten]

Look under the names when you hover Sundance dozer mackay and zain what does it say? ASSUALT

[fiery shoal]

you literally dont know what youre talking about and just remain ignorant to try to falsely keep your ideas intact...

[magic bloom]

Or the wrench by lis, Boris and Irish

Irishes logo is literally a wrench

[fiery shoal]

"Classes are special character archetypes, used by many games to differentiate their characters in combat."

falck clearly falls under the medic class LIKE IT SAYS IN GAME

just because she can pick any gadget or weapon doesnt mean she doesnt fall under a certain class

[analog fractal]

You guys are arguing in bad faith honestly, I don't care at this point.

[fiery shoal]

open loadouts being introduced in 2042 at the same time as specific player models doesnt mean that "heros" got rid of classes... those things do not correlate

[magic bloom]

I mean all medics in battlefield did before was revive and heal and falck does both therefor

[analog fractal]

The fact is, they're bringing back a class system that's more in line with what BF had

[fiery shoal]

100%

[analog fractal]

That's an admission of defeat

[fiery shoal]

doesnt mean classes didnt exist before...

no its not...

is english your first language?

[analog fractal]

Because the heroes ""class"" system is bad and not what people wantes, facts

[sharp marten]

Holy fuck it’s like talking to a wall

[fiery shoal]

open loadouts are not bad..

are closed loadouts more in line with bf? 100%, doesnt mean open loadouts are just outright bad..

[analog fractal]

I didn't want an argument with you, what's your problem?

[fiery shoal]

youre arguing with the truth, anyone that knows the truth is "arguing with you"

2042 has had a class system in the game since launch, thats a fact

was it the traditional class system in previous bf games? no

that statement doesnt mean that there wasnt a class system though

[analog fractal]

What truth? I'm just saying DICE is bringing back an class system more in-line with BF and you guys started crying that "there's already a class system" even though the point is that it's subpar and not like previous games

That's truth

[fiery shoal]

"Are we gonna pretend that it's just a minority that didn't like the removal of classes for heroes....?"

you said they removed classes for heros.. they didnt

classes are in the game..

have been since launch

"heros" are a part of the class system..

[analog fractal]

Ok, let me rephrase: They removed a good class system for a shitty heroes class system

[fiery shoal]

its not the same class system as previous BF games, but its STILL a class system

[analog fractal]

A bad one with heroes, yes

Imo

It's subjective

[fiery shoal]

closer to the truth but still wrong... a "hero shooter" is based on unique characters with unique roles/gadgets/weapons with said character hyper focused on a role in a team... 2042 ONLY has unique player models.. ironically previous BF titles were closer to a "hero" shooter with its locked loadouts than 2042 is with its open loadouts..

like of the aspects that make a "hero shooter" 2042 has like.. 2/10 of them and not even the important ones...

[analog fractal]

Anyway, my point is that I think the toxic reddit hate is more indicative of what BF fans wanted, clearly as they're back peddling game design decisions

Hopefully the new game has a class system more in line with previous game like 4/1/V from the start

[fiery shoal]

you mean locked loadouts?

[mossy badge]

i hope it will launch properly 🙏

[analog fractal]

We already have a million hero shooters, we only have one BF series with proper classes

[fiery shoal]

2042 is not a hero shooter

its like you completely ignored my messages from 3 minutes ago..

[analog fractal]

Maybe, maybe not, but it definitely has heroes

[spiral folio]

Oh good were back where we started when i left

[analog fractal]

It's bad all the same

[arctic grove]

I don’t think older games were more like a hero shooter than this one. V expanded on the ordinary classes with sub-roles, but that’s really it. They fulfill a set of general roles per class, they’re not like the Specialists which have their own unique abilities and character models, which I think is much more in line with a hero shooter

[fiery shoal]

it has unique player models.. that alone doesnt make it a hero shooter

[spiral folio]

Characters sure but not a hero shooter like overwatch or something

[analog fractal]

Every character has an ULT lmao

[fiery shoal]

[arctic grove]

Recon has never, as an entire class, had exclusive access to a specific weapon or gadget for example

[tacit cloak]

It is more than just a hero model

[fiery shoal]

for your own sake i hope youre trolling

[spiral folio]

Overwatch you cant really vary from the weapons they have

[analog fractal]

Even so, hero shooters inspired 2042

Clearly

[arctic grove]

By gadget I don’t mean the class gadgets like SOFLAM or the spawn beacon. I mean an actual gadget/ability

[tacit cloak]

But wouldn't consider it a hero shooter lol

[arctic grove]

For instance Paiks scanner

[spiral folio]

Flares

K bullets

[arctic grove]

Again, not class gadgets

[spiral folio]

They are devices specific to that class nobody elae can use

[arctic grove]

But a specific ability

[fiery shoal]

100% this, it has unique player model and a single gadget, thats like not even the main factors of a hero shooter and very limited borrowing from that genre

[arctic grove]

Again, classes fulfilled roles

[spiral folio]

Breath holding

[arctic grove]

Not entire unique abilities

Again referencing Dozers shield, Paiks scanner, Angels loadout drop, etc

[spiral folio]

Literally the same stuff

Sniper shield

[errant scarab]

New battlefield please

[arctic grove]

Well if it really is the same stuff, then I much rather prefer that version of a Battlefield hero shooter than this, lmao

[analog fractal]

Anyway, let's just be happy that we all won and are getting a better class system

[fiery shoal]

definition of a hero shooter:

"Hero shooters are a variation of multiplayer first- or third-person shooters, where players form into two or more teams and select from pre-designed "hero" characters that each possess distinctive attributes, skills, weapons, and other passive and active abilities. Hero shooters strongly encourage teamwork between players on a team, guiding players to select effective combinations of hero characters and coordinate the use of hero abilities during a match.[1]"

this does not define 2042 at all...

[tacit cloak]

When is this set to drop

[spiral folio]

Better XD

[arctic grove]

Now all that we need is destruction of unique characters as the only choice for playable character models

Notice I say only. Vs elites balanced this out just fine

[spiral folio]

Any classes are worse than custom builds

[fiery shoal]

open vs locked loadouts.. has nothing to do with classes

[spiral folio]

Classes are literally closed rules for builds

Like thats the whole purpose

[drowsy shuttle]

In which era?

[fiery shoal]

considering 2042 had classes with open loadouts and will have classes with semi locked loadouts...

[spiral folio]

Funneling stupid people to specific builds because jonny cant read

[fiery shoal]

you can obviously have both within a class system

[mossy badge]

in which era you want next battlefield should go for

[analog fractal]

Soon hopefully, we all need to rinse our palates after 2042

[arctic grove]

One thing I ought to say (again) is that if we’re really going to say older games were more in line with the definition of a hero shooter than 2042, then absolutely bring that fuckin version back lol, I dunno if it’s supposed to be a hard counter to the argument because I’ll simply outright say to bring it back

[spiral folio]

They're not open builds because gadgets are heavily locked to classes

Weapons have more freedom but not 100%

[analog fractal]

A new BF Vietnam would be amazing

But I'd take a new modern day one gladly too

[spiral folio]

And Characters are class locked

Nobody wants purely jungle combat

[tacit cloak]

Vietnam would be fun as hell

[spiral folio]

Nobody

[fiery shoal]

currently 2042 classes are like... 90% open...

[drowsy shuttle]

Im fine qith 2042 era.. really hope they dont go into the future with some laser starwars nerd shit

[arctic grove]

Modern day is my thing, so I’d like that

[spiral folio]

When the class changes come theyll be like 20% open

[analog fractal]

Vietnam wasn't just jungle combat, but sure

[arctic grove]

I mean Vietnam is largely jungle

[spiral folio]

Well bein the case its a jungle nation

[fiery shoal]

yes.. so clearly within a class system you can have open or locked and degrees in between... like i said

[arctic grove]

Unless we want city maps

[mossy badge]

my desires are exactly opposite of yours

[spiral folio]

Its literally jungle and rivers

[arctic grove]

There’s been conflicts in that war across cities

[analog fractal]

If they make a new modern day BF, what year will it be tho?

2043/4?

[arctic grove]

It doesn’t really matter tbh, 2010-30 is going to be fine lol

[analog fractal]

Will they even keep the same setting? Probably not

It kinda sucks

[spiral folio]

When a weapon is developed just to get rid of leaves. Its a jungle

[arctic grove]

It’s not like there’s an insane tech difference even between today and the 2000s

[drowsy shuttle]

Fair enough

[analog fractal]

They didn't even take good use of the whole climate change angle

It's all missed potential with this game

[mossy badge]

jungle has trees atleast trees will provide cover and please let me add the sandbags next time

[spiral folio]

Because every single map involves climate change?

[arctic grove]

I always said as a suggestion for an older theme game, put it in alternative 1982-83. When the Cold War was at its hottest. Shit ton of opportunities with maps across Europe and Korea as examples. Plenty of guns

[analog fractal]

Imagine a BF Vietnam-like game with destructible jungle/forest

Would be so sick

[arctic grove]

And it’s close enough to modern equipment since the early Abrams, Apache, etc existed then

[tacit cloak]

Nukes

[crimson basin]

Next game needs to have more urban maps, not more facilities in the middle of nowhere

[tacit cloak]

Depleted cities

[analog fractal]

Agreed

[spiral folio]

Already saw it. "The jungle map" in bf5

[arctic grove]

The only thing that would really stop any of BFs themes from taking off is how they treat its live service

2042 certainly could have had more natural weather events and climate change effected maps but unfortunately the maps are expensive and take longer to make than past games

So it was probably deemed unnecessary to continue with weather events

[mossy badge]

man i want respawn to make next battlefield game
128 pilots vs pilots or titans

[arctic grove]

Like shet man, I want my tsunamis and fire tornadoes

[solar obsidian]

fucking hell i ascended

[analog fractal]

Yup, huge missed opportunity

They made the tornado and "the sandstorm" and dipped lmao

Every other place is just deserted or dried up

[ebon pilot]

make battlefield a massive franchise like Dynasty Warriors with millions of gameplay and franchise crossovers

[analog fractal]

Tons of

[arctic grove]

Stranded isn’t too bad I like the dried up Panama Canal thing they have going for it

It fits the world settings well

[mossy badge]

i feel like you love my idea soooo much
thanks dude

[analog fractal]

Too bad they reused the concept twice

[mossy badge]

[analog fractal]

And both maps are kinda... Eh

[arctic grove]

Exposure could’ve transitioned to its final version with an earthquake event but that shit would probably lag bad lol (assuming it’s remotely possible)

[vocal zenith]

we getting operation metro ish next season lol

imagine metro with 128 lol

[analog fractal]

DICE finally had the brain galaxy idea to just remake an old good map

[vocal zenith]

the nade spam will be glorious

[analog fractal]

[lethal pollen]

silly question, is there in bf2042 32v32 permanent gamemode?

[ebon pilot]

T1 Irish in one round

[ebon pilot]

Breakthrough

[lethal pollen]

conquest?

[arctic grove]

You can find 64p conquest but I believe only during exodus conquest

[ebon pilot]

Exodus Conquest comes around often, but it's rotated out occasionally

[arctic grove]

/in portal

[lethal pollen]

what about like tdm?

was that also just temporary?

[ebon pilot]

tdm is 16v16 in the same category as rush

[lethal pollen]

ok its just 64v64 runs kinda poorly for me

32v32 is playable

[mossy badge]

time to get a ps5/series x or s or you can always try

nintendo switch

[median verge]

well battlefield 2142 takes place after a new ice age sets in so...its coming

[analog fractal]

2042 always ran good on PS5 for me, so I never understood the complains about 128

[lethal pollen]

nah, my laptop can run 32v32 with 60-70 fps, but with 64v64 somehow plays in slowmotion or just not comfortable

[median verge]

my xbox X just crashed to home screen playing 128

[arctic grove]

The game is very well optimized for Console but PC is where it really starts to depend on you

[mossy badge]

nice

[arctic grove]

Consoles have the same specs across every unit so there’s almost no reason one PS5 will run the game worst than another ps5

[tacit cloak]

128 plays fine on Series X

[arctic grove]

PC I hear the game is very CPU dependent and a whole bunch of other shit

[fiery shoal]

2042 hits every component

[median verge]

not sure why I'm having issues then. Even did a factory reset and reinstalled

[tacit cloak]

If ur on just the One X then that's probably why

I'm runni g the new Series X

[median verge]

no I'm on series X

[tacit cloak]

Oh weird yea I was playing fine all day

[fiery shoal]

2042 leans heavily on your cpu, which most other games dont, but thats seemingly an optimization choice to get older cpus to even be able to get 60 fps

[lethal pollen]

also last silly question is that do people play in portal now not for xp mainly but like an actual bf like 1942, zombies etc

[quaint vector]

I lost my BOINS... Where are they.?

[ebon pilot]

I play portal for variety when I don't want to just play conquest and breakthrough 24/7

[lethal pollen]

so servers are no longer being made for xp farming?

[tacit cloak]

I like playing portal to play the old maps

[ebon pilot]

yeah it's a lot harder to xp farm with portal

[tacit cloak]

And TDM

[errant scarab]

2023

[hexed mango]

what

[hexed mango]

i have them

[vocal zenith]

wdym

[ebon pilot]

i didn't say impossible

[hexed mango]

bro like 2 of the top 5 servers on portal are xp farms

[ebon pilot]

hey that's not 50%

[hexed mango]

but it is 40%

[ebon pilot]

before that it was like 70% or something

[edgy oriole]

40% xp farm 50% roleplay hardcore 10% actual

[hexed mango]

of the servers that are 50% populated or more on them, its probably still 70%

im gonna start the game rn just to check and see how many are up lol

of the top 10 servers by player count

1. HC CQ 64
2. Afghanistan War Simulator
3. RUSH HC
4. HC CQ 64
5. HC CQ 64
6. HC CQ 64
7. XP Farm (Heli)
8. XP Farm (Ammo)
9. Afghanistan War
10. XP Farm (Ammo)

so ig its not super popular, but its still prominent and super effective

[ebon pilot]

Afghanistan War Simulator
what

[edgy oriole]

i was right

[hexed mango]

yeah.

the first "normal" server i see is 12th on the list with 24/64 players as "BF3 Remastered"

[vocal zenith]

xp farm heli is usefull to learn to fly heli and xp farm at the same time lol

[hexed mango]

after that the next one (like halfway down) is 15/30 players "BF 1942"

Afghanistan War sim is BF3 with friendly fire, 40 % health, 7x tickets, and 2.5x projectile speed

aka its just HC CQ

[vocal zenith]

lol

[hexed mango]

i just refreshed the page, now hc rush is #1, afghan and another hc cq after that, and then an Ammo xp farm 4th on the list

[rocky kraken]

anyone elses c5 being thrown across the map

[hexed mango]

for BT Chaos, its normal

[vocal zenith]

its part of the gamemode

[kindred flint]

dice really needs to add a limit to the number of caspers on a team

[vocal zenith]

its ez xp farm

[lucid creek]

Anyone else play on ps4/Xbox and the game feels like the frames are low and the characters don’t load in properly

[solar obsidian]

its in

[hexed mango]

last gen moment

[ebon pilot]

honestly there should be a limit on spot assists you can get with your drone. caspers be sitting on their laptops the whole damn game at the top of the scoreboard when I have 90 kills and 10 caps
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/850376380822323230/1059938368122802259/image.png

[drowsy shuttle]

500 kills/assists with XM37... 1100 to go lol

[pine roost]

been implemeting a new tracking technique and it's really improved my aim, it's like a night and day difference

[rocky kraken]

the normal running animation of the guns being so static is annoying

at least add some more fluid movement

[drowsy shuttle]

Aimbot.exe?

[kindred flint]

lmao yeah...its so stupid playing this mode, youre lucky if 1/4 of the team even looks at the sky...all these drones just freely spotting them

[solar obsidian]

"i cleaned my mousepad"

[lucid creek]

Feels more like a game issue since bf5 runs fine and the graphics on 2042 just seem like a step down from bf5

[pine roost]

i got rgb socks

[vocal zenith]

i think you mean word.exe

[ebon pilot]

it's funny playing Rao and hacking each one and just shooting it out of the sky

[solar obsidian]

i got rgb cables

[ebon pilot]

I'd honestly do it more often if people actually played Irish

[hexed mango]

i have rgb balls

[rocky kraken]

bf5 and bf2042 are two different art styles

[kindred flint]

yesterday i was wondering why the fuck when you hack it does it rubber band backwards like 10 feet lol...server disconnects?

[solar obsidian]

its what 100 years does to us

[rocky kraken]

one having access to actual guns and stuff

and the other who has to make everything from scratch

with no history to use

[drowsy shuttle]

No dont play irish you maggots, i need to t1 zain

[rocky kraken]

and alot more players

i actually noticed a graphical increase on the new maps

[kindred flint]

every time i see an irish shield i cry

could have been useful with aps..

[rocky kraken]

the lighting on manifest is actually good now

[solar obsidian]

its always been

[hexed mango]

its better now

[vocal zenith]

its crazy how infrequent i see irish aps

[rocky kraken]

irish is the most useful specialist

[hexed mango]

T2 sundance done