battlefield-2042

[naive quiver]

I wonder what you do that requires so much SSD

[still vault]

I work at this computer too so makes sense to spend some money at it. Space is part work part gaming.

Also, stuff like this takes up space too

[wise heath]

Why is bolte listed as armored transport

[lone void]

We just don't know

It should be light armour

If anything the Wildcat js a better transport

At least that thing has mostly useless passenger slots

[wise heath]

It’s a complete waste

the mav is just so much more helpful

[still vault]

To get the right mixture of vehicles on the battlefield. Don't think of the names too much 😄

[shy latch]

the first week of the event is nice, the problem are always the players: 2/3 times there were a lot camping and sniping when we were playing as attackers.....

[wise heath]

what

I don’t mind it

it’s just I feel like we’re at a disadvantage when our team has a bolte instead of a mav

[mossy badge]

get a better game mercury your gpu and cpu is perfect

[shy latch]

probably as Carbonic said the high cpu usage is due to the low graphic settings, I don't know what gpu is tho

[pearl ridge]

Christ I hate rams

[shy latch]

understandable, but if you remove the RAMs then your machine won't work

[errant scarab]

[mossy badge]

[pearl ridge]

“Hey you know that one mode eighty percent of the player base hates? Why don’t we make a big song and dance every time we bring it back”

[errant scarab]

they killed bfv for this and they killed my heart

[pearl ridge]

I don’t know how they made assault even more unbalanced than usual but they did it

I think it might be the sector system, you have to put in twice the effort to capture one zone

And it won’t do shit for you if you only hold half of it.

[errant scarab]

fried chicken

[midnight hawk]

chicken patty

[viral oasis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFxmE_ZtRAs

this battle of nordvik trailer looks dope as fuck

fianlly getting night time

as it was in bf4

should make it perm

[pearl ridge]

Oh good I got dropped into another game that was already over

Somehow the attackers actually won by a very significant margin

Which only implies utter incompetence on the part of the defence

You have to fuck up royal to lose defending in this

I figured it out, it’s the fucking backcappers

God I hate this mode

[next onyx]

I know that 1920x1080 requires a bit more out of the CPU.

1440p is more balanced.

But that's resolution.

Graphic presets is a no.

[pearl ridge]

Yeah sure just spawn me directly in front of the fucking ram why don’t you

I’m so sick of these cracked out pc players man

[shy latch]

depends on what gpu is installed, a friend of mine have a 3700x with 1080 Ti so for him 1440p isn't balanced at all

[eternal storm]

how do you figure that? im using 3080ti, and 12400 and my cpu usage for the game is 100% at 1440

[next onyx]

I've seen graphs.

I don't know the specifics mind you.

[shy latch]

are you playing with all the graphics settings at low?

[eternal storm]

no why would i do that....

[shy latch]

so that's weird that cpu is 100%

[remote kiln]

it's not

[slender hare]

🤣

wtf broo

[remote kiln]

it's a 6 core part it's entirely normal it's full

[solemn shore]

Fps

[remote kiln]

gotta get something better

[solemn shore]

My friend has a 9700k and he gets 100% a lot too

[slender hare]

yeah but do you know if I can create rounds against bots?
because all the pre-made rounds are waiting for players :I

[solemn shore]

Seems like atleast 8/16 is the minimum

[remote kiln]

yeah it is for running modern games in a stable manner

has been for a while

[solemn shore]

I see a lot of people limiting the game to n-2 cores but I can't imagine that running smoothly

[shy latch]

you can create matches with bot, if I remember correctly PvP bots are "fixed" instead PvE bots will be replaced by players whenever they'll join the server

[pearl ridge]

And these matches are so shit-tier I can’t even get ribbons

[slender hare]

ok thx

[remote kiln]

see a lot of people thinking they know what they're doing messing with core affinities lol, unknowingly making the system itself unstable

[next onyx]

My 5600x put up a good fight.

Good fawking CPU.

[solemn shore]

10900kf masterrace

[next onyx]

Gen 10 was good.

However.

I am on that 5800x3d SUPERIORITY.,

[solemn shore]

😡

Atleast I can run ram over 4000 😊

[cyan trout]

The fact that we have to trouble shoot our pc performance to this extent is dumb tbh

[waxen arrow]

Anyone know whyy I’m always put on us then ru on official air superiority? I’m like us 24/7 XD

[lilac dust]

LMAOOO ... We capture 1 single objective in conquest assault and the commander says "Early operations are promising, we're holding objectives"

[slender isle]

I mean, you were holding objective, just not multiple

[lilac dust]

Yeah but even then they acting like the future of the match is promising based on a single objective

[solemn shore]

Well in CQA capping 1 point vs randoms is gg

[pearl ridge]

The AC-42 is just a nice gun

It feels nice, it looks nice, and it works well.

[solemn shore]

Only burst gun i felt good with was the bf4 m16

[pearl ridge]

That thing was a monster.

[solemn shore]

Well i guess the 2042 glock counts too

I'm no gun expert but isn't burst irl "full auto that stops at 3" vs one trigger pull shoots 3

[pearl ridge]

I find myself missing a number of bf4 weapons, but not really the game itself.

[lilac dust]

Reality is often disappointing so I would assume so

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-reality-is-often-disappointing-stone-infinity-stone-gamora-gif-14046382

[pearl ridge]

Like the L85. It’s an altogether competent ar but what I love most about it is the reload, giving it that cock on one side and a good whack on the other

[solemn shore]

I mean that's more flexible if it's true isn't it

Means you can shoot only 1 bullet if needed without switching

[next onyx]

Battlefield hardline had the best gun variety.

[cosmic storm]

I remember my L85 with a shotgun attachment on BF4. You became a menace at almost every distance

[next onyx]

And I will die on that hill.

[waxen arrow]

Anyone know y tank bullets do 0 Dmg hitting chopper blades? Or the top of a chopper? :p

Very annoyin aspect for a chopper v tank

[next onyx]

The body is where damage is dealt.

Not the propellers.

[waxen arrow]

Why’s that?

[remote kiln]

the hitbox doesn't include the rotary blades

too many clipping issues for it

[upbeat sand]

Id say probably made gun bonus because really having both at the same time might be a big hard to counter

[kindred flint]

THEY REMOVED LMGS AFTER THE BETA

[kindred flint]

Apparently it didn't respond to this

[next onyx]

Yeah I get what you mean but we had another variety at least in battle rifles.

[slender hare]

am I the only one to think that this theme is better than the actual 2042 theme?
https://youtu.be/K4bQhEWtedI

[surreal portal]

I’m losing motivation to play this game. The new map is good and all but it got stale so quick. And I feel like the balance of teams is off every-game either winning or losing too easily. Just makes the game a bit more boring. Idk. Personal opinion I guess.

[uncut bay]

it's a miracle you lasted this long

i think i'm just getting tired of mp fps games overall

2042 and mw2 are both incredibly boring to me after a few matches

[next onyx]

I've been off-putting the game because I don't feel like it.

Only playing it for the social aspect.

[surreal portal]

I don’t have MW2 but I was playing it yesterday with my friend and honestly I feel you. That game is so slow. The movement feels too tactical for me. It all depends on what kind of player you are. But when I play a mp fps I’m expecting high pace. That’s why on the new map (spearhead) the only real engagements I like are the ones in the factories and everything leading up to that just feels soooo slow and repetitive

[uncut bay]

yeah that definitely plays into it lol mw2 is trying to be something it isn't

[surreal portal]

I’m only playing it to get my Boins back lol. It’s not the right mentality to have and it’s a shame it’s come this.

[next onyx]

You have plenty of weeks luckily for that.

Stop playing until Tuesday.

You'll thank yourself.

[surreal portal]

I’m already BP 75 I think

[sharp marten]

Bro I picked up state of decay 2 and I’m addicted

[next onyx]

When the new part of the event comes out, play it.

See if you like it.

[uncut bay]

i tried state of decay but didn't really like it, we need more zombie games

open world zombie games

[next onyx]

If not. Play for the free cosmetics and get off the game until you want to play again.

[uncut bay]

days gone was a breath of fresh air

[surreal portal]

Ye that’s another thing. The event it’s super easy to get all the unlocks. I played 3 games and got all of them. Just spamming the scan grenades. This game just doesn’t feel challenging or progressive anymore ):

[next onyx]

I'm playing terraria calamity with my mates.

Most fun I've had in a while.

[surreal portal]

I’m playing fifa lmfao probably why I haven’t played BF

[uncut bay]

i've been meaning to play bl2 with a friend after her exams but i keep forgetting to ask

[sharp marten]

I guess they’ve updated the shit out of it making their community Guinea pigs right now adding new stuff that will be implanted into the third game but the games old and it was made on a old engine the 3rd game will be made on URE 5

[uncut bay]

they're still updating it?

wow

[sharp marten]

Yeah

[uncut bay]

i wasn't a huge fan of the base management thing

but that was years ago, might give it another try

[sharp marten]

They said the first and second game are low budget games but Microsoft bought them so now they’ll have a bigger budget for the 3rd

They have like 3 or 4 studios working on the game

[upbeat sand]

I will pay you

To jump off that cliff-

Handsome jack

[dapper heron]

cant connect to service on gamepass pc

[next onyx]

Jack was funny.

He was obnoxious but I never felt he was over bearing.

[upbeat sand]

Pre sequel jack is better than watching Walter white turn into Heisenberg

[uncut bay]

he was good

[next onyx]

They were both good beans.

[uncut bay]

infinitely better than twitch twins

[next onyx]

Anything is better than them.

[upbeat sand]

Oooh and they had that villains asking for you to bad youtube with the twins

Never made sence how the dam fatass adventurer is the father of them cause I thought he was an adventurer like decades ago or hundreds of year not like 20

HOW YOU ALIVE OLD

[uncut bay]

yeah i stopped listening to the story part way through

just went right over my head while i enjoyed the gameplay

[upbeat sand]

Welp

At least the dlc are good with story

[uncut bay]

yeah those were actually cool

[upbeat sand]

Especially the Wild West one even though the ending boss felt like just the jack summoning the warrior again

[uncut bay]

krieg dlc i really didn't like though

super boring

[upbeat sand]

The Kreig one is extremely good with story but not gameplay

Mostly because it was made during covid and was not delayed

[quaint vector]

Just finished my last Weapon on Tier 1 and I have them all.

[hallow sierra]

now u dont have to play the game

[uncut bay]

you beat battlefield 2042

[quaint vector]

I still don't have all Vehicles on Tier 1

[chilly jacinth]

that's just pure torture

[quaint vector]

[clever marlin]

T1 Tuk tuk

[night vessel]

where we dropping boys

Feels like the 2000s RTS game

[slender hare]

sick

[slender hare]

only on PS4

[quaint vector]

Bro is playing BF2042 on PS1

[naive quiver]

2042 future engines

[slender hare]

wait 1200 kills with lil gun???

[quaint vector]

1 200 Kills with every gun... With each of them...

[slender hare]

I started to play two weeks ago 😭

but I did this against bots 😄
https://outplayed.tv/media/lRl1J3

[hallow sierra]

i dont miss playing renewal

[civic barn]

Interesting.. Multi GPUs?
Do you wanna tell us more?

[limpid pond]

Hmmmmmmmmm

[solar obsidian]

lol

[lilac dust]

I just realized ... Angryjoe quite literally spent more time reinstalling 2042 yesterday then he did playing it on stream 🤣

[arctic grove]

What's his opinion on the game now?

[lilac dust]

He likes exposure. Not sure how he feels on the game as a whole tho

[arctic grove]

Oh ok

[edgy oriole]

thats bc exposure is insta classic

[lilac dust]

[edgy oriole]

its gonna be just like wake island

[lilac dust]

If anyone thinks exposure is bad then the map will instantly be classified as underrated due to that person disliking it

[arctic grove]

Lmao

[errant scarab]

Dice remove this

Remove cinematic when the game start

[lilac dust]

https://clips.twitch.tv/EnthusiasticClearSquidSaltBae-edEk_sprFva2ynHP @arctic grove there ya go. Caught a clip of his thoughts on it now

[topaz field]

Why does the aiming on PC feels so much better with my PS4 controller than playing on the PS4 😫😫 I want the same yo

[errant scarab]

Skill issue?

[chilly jacinth]

higher refresh rate and or fps

[tame cobalt]

The new a sector of manifest is cool

[lilac dust]

Yeah but they removed like 10 buildings from the map and left us with one on the hill and one near A sector which I struggle to even call a building compared to the proper one on the hill that we had so much of around the map on the original manifest

[limpid pond]

Yo what's wrong with the pbx? It's not killing as fast as it did 2 weeks ago

[chilly jacinth]

skill issue

[lilac dust]

They nerfed the PBX and it now stands for "Probably Better at (X) range - P B X

[edgy oriole]

pbx stands for mid

[next onyx]

PBX is good it's just inconsistent.

[hallow sierra]

im at 1006 on sundance im so close to t1 her

maybe get it before this week ends

[limpid pond]

Yeah terribly. I never noticed it until now and I'm close to lvl 1000 with it

[mild whale]

Does the Twilight Strike bundle really disappear in 19 days? And there is no way to earn it without paying money? 😦

[lilac dust]

the coolest skins are always locked behind a paywall in every live service game unfortunately. It's all about dat monayyyyyyy

[mild whale]

So annoying. I remember when BF3 first came out and you had to reach level 50 or something to get the all black camo. And it was badass cuz you actually had to work for it. Now you just have to have money. Smh.

[south smelt]

Hey there, so I installed the trail version of BF42 but I can only play with AI (NPC’s), Does anybody has an idea on how to fix this ?

[mild whale]

Does it disappear after 19 days or does the price just go up after 19 days?

[cosmic storm]

What is your platform ?

[south smelt]

Ps5

[cosmic storm]

Do you have the PS+ in order to play online ?

And are you connected ?

[south smelt]

Yah

I do play, and I’m at lvl 18

[cosmic storm]

What is the issue then ?

[south smelt]

When I want to play a match like (Breakthrough) I join an solo session with no players but me

[cosmic storm]

Nice, well I don't know much about the PS system, so the only thing I can say is turn your console off and on again.

[south smelt]

I’ll try that. Thx alot

[burnt apex]

Game sucks

Battlefield 1 beats thus game so badly that make it look like a cheap version

[mild whale]

eh not really

bf1 is really janky when u minimize it

[lilac dust]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-ok-meme-gif-21668690

[arctic grove]

2032 better than bf01

No denying it

Better animations and everything

[glossy storm]

The new COVID variant is called Omicron BF.7.

Can't believe scientists confirmed BF7.

[arctic grove]

Modern corporate practice unfortunately

[still vault]

The AMD graphics card is just the build in chip in the CPU.

[civic barn]

And the other one is a , let me guess, 4090?

[still vault]

3080ti

[solar obsidian]

because the inputl lag is lower in general on pc, and this is even better with reflex

[still vault]

Isn't it because consoles have forced Vsync?

[gleaming oracle]

Do you have crossplay enabled?

[spiral folio]

eeeey matchmaking failed error, take a drink

[arctic grove]

oof

[spiral folio]

so conquest assault is like BT but worse huh

that's ... good to know

BT's sector layout, but with the added garbage of being backcapped constantly

nonstop "welp... light tank broke through cause there's no way to stop em... and it set a beacon down at A1 in back... there it goes... anyone? ok well A2 now"

[chilly jacinth]

sounds like a shit team issue

[smoky light]

man why did they remove bf3 mode it was so fun

[still vault]

only a few modes that are always there, the rest tend to rotate

[spiral folio]

yea it makes sense, otherwise they'd get stale

like the mcrib

[smoky light]

do u know how long do they stay cause i only been playing for like 1-2 weeks

[spiral folio]

would you order one if it was there every day? it's basically dogfood pressed into a rib shape

[thick shadow]

I'll never understand why they make fan favourite modes temporary

[spiral folio]

but make it once a year or even once every TWO years THREE?! people lose their minds

[smoky light]

haha yeah that makes sense

[still vault]

because fans don't agree

[still vault]

every week

[spiral folio]

for a MRE meat slab with "?" sauce

[smoky light]

it like the league of legends

[thick shadow]

Eh I don't really understand what you mean by that

[fiery shoal]

liking znaths mcrib analogy

[smoky light]

oh ty didn't thougt they changing it that often

[spiral folio]

turns something relatively ordinary into something special

[lapis spear]

Is battlefield 2042 still buggy? Planning on getting it

[errant scarab]

i think is fixed but battlefield only has it in the title.

[fiery shoal]

loaded question, by large most of the main problems have been fixed, doesnt mean you wont experience any

hell personally i hardly come across bugs

even towards launch

[lapis spear]

Thanks man

[errant scarab]

when soundtrack rework?

[spiral folio]

using the avancys to unlock the m240 makes no sense

and i kinda hate it

wtf.. i chose solo and i didn't even get a full freakin server of BOTS

[naive magnet]

The Avancys is awesome haha

User error? 🫣

[spiral folio]

eh too spammy i just want the 240

[arctic grove]

nah see

Soundtrack is absolutely goated

specialists, maps, etc

Fair game

[spiral folio]

farg aim

yea the 240 was worth it

:u it uses ammo faster than a box can supply though

[arctic grove]

Tilted Towers my guy

[spiral folio]

set graphics down to runescape

[azure rampart]

Didn't know battlefield was for ps1

[arctic grove]

ps1/N64

[azure rampart]

I hate how the lips are that way on low graphics

[arctic grove]

Bro Tomb raider for ps1 is more polished than 2042

[serene pawn]

Anybody else unable to play the event on PS5?

[azure rampart]

I've never got any issues with performance tbh

[arctic grove]

wtf is battle of nordvik

explain!

[chilly jacinth]

did you fuck with driver level stuff to get it to look like that

[azure rampart]

An event

[arctic grove]

EXPLAINNN

[chilly jacinth]

there is nothing to explain

[azure rampart]

You play on spearhead on different modes each week

[arctic grove]

Noice

I'mma play tomorrow

it has been over 11 days since i last played bf2042

[clever marlin]

Let’s go note pad!

[arctic grove]

Can you even make the "touch grass" joke with BF enjoyers ?

[arctic grove]

Its actually Battle of IKEA.

WOOOH

are jets buffed yet

nope

skratuabrudsabarrackobamakobebryan

[clever warren]

bring back old AGM

[clever marlin]

Jets tbh need a movement rework

[arctic grove]

They just need more firepower 🗿

[spiral folio]

i wish they had more ammo options and such for the 240

like some AP rounds

[clever marlin]

It should not take 4 mouse swipes at 1000 dpi to move your jet 180

[arctic grove]

why would you use your mouse for doing that

[spiral folio]

use a joystick

[arctic grove]

tilt left/right then instantly press space

[clever marlin]

Space is set to fire for me

Should I bind that to pitch up

[arctic grove]

seems like a you problem

uhh

Space to pitch up ctrl to pitch down

mouse buttons to fire

I rifle aim for hitting land targets

[pine roost]

God yes. How have you not already

Easily the first thing anyone should do

[clever marlin]

For some reason my arrow keys are binded like that

[winged pasture]

Is it just me or are the animations alot better in the beta lol

[arctic grove]

pretty sure the weather effects were wayy better in the beta

[winged pasture]

I think it also has that little camera shake when you run which i liked

[errant scarab]

omg

[arctic grove]

and jumping and going over obstacles

[errant scarab]

low setting = High cpu usage

[pine roost]

Animations are much smoother though now than they were

Introducing a new dynamic animation system definitely needed more time than they assumed to polish

[arctic grove]

https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/zsse39/these_hovercrafts_are_getting_out_of_hand/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb Sundance mains be like

NGL Lis is a hottie 😳

[mental delta]

Lis is the worst specialist ever invented I hate her and absolutely everyone should too

[dapper river]

seething vehicle main detected

[mental delta]

Idk what you're talking about

[magic bloom]

I hate how she is inconsistent

[mental delta]

They created it because people were complaining about air vehicles being "too powerful" and those same people who use her only throw their missiles on tanks and infantry

Really one of the worst decision made about specialists in this game

I hope specialists are just shit we see in BF2042 and that we don't see them in the next game

[magic bloom]

I mean why would you shoot at a heli when it clearly hits them but it doesn’t damage them or if your the pilot it misses but hits you

[mental delta]

The missile launcher functions weirdly, it's never used as it was intended to when it was created

[ancient peak]

I mean I just shoot at whatever highlighted target appears on my HUD. Helicopters, jets (those are fun kills), tanks, APCs, jeeps, Razors

[frail sparrow]

I love Liz's design. But I prefer playing rao 😭

[magic bloom]

Rao just does it better

[silk surge]

Damn... I got absolutely destroyed on the subreddit...

[magic bloom]

Unfortunate

[frail sparrow]

Getting shot at? Great, you now know where he at. Enemies nearby? Hack one and spot them all. Tank nearby? Hack it and it can't do shit against you. Heli annoying? Hack it and pepper it with anti air stuff to make it feck off. He really does.

[silk surge]

Btw guys, enjoy Dozer's shield+Smoke combo while it lasts, it's going away with the class rework 😦

[chilly jacinth]

im never gonna use dozer

out of principle

[spiral folio]

it'd be nice if a recon's special thing wasn't always close range stuff

[silk surge]

I thought the same thing. I had extremely low KD on Dozer because his buggy ass shield kept getting me killed.... but then I found out about Dozer+shotgun/crossbow.

Played him for a few days, and I'm getting very close to T1. Never thought I would T1 Dozer.

[mental delta]

Hopefully

[solid imp]

Dozer's great

[royal swan]

When will they fix the reload animation for mp28

Every time I reload that gun I just get annoyed that they didn't fix the animation

[thick shadow]

@next onyx sorry to bother you again but do you have any recommendations for vehicle settings?

[royal swan]

Quiet chat

I would definitely love to able to repair the vehicle you are driving with the repair tool equipped

Best way to nerf smg is damage drop for medium ranges but have them do great damage in closer areas

[royal swan]

So have the headshots multiplier buff

The only thing nerfing smg is damage drop off and recoil

Crazy damage up close but a struggle for medium ranges

They may have already did this and I just forgot

The argument that I seen about defending smg is "what about people who are accurate" just use the fucking assault gun

[fiery shoal]

so you want smgs to have a headshot multiplier buff?

[royal swan]

Yeah I believe it's to low

They gotta be better than sidearms

The Glock as of now is a better option than most smg

[magic bloom]

Wdym

[fiery shoal]

ehh, the whole glock train is a bit blown out of proportion

[royal swan]

The gun has two mags yes, they only reload one mag

[fiery shoal]

i think the g57 can COMPETE with smgs, but thats a rather niche scenario and most people will definitely be better with an smg

[magic bloom]

Yeah only one after the first reload

[random oar]

I use arch btw (not a joke)

[digital knot]

Smgs are literally like lasers in this game

[royal swan]

With the Glock I dommed more people than the k30 in a matter of seconds

[digital knot]

too op

[fiery shoal]

you need to land a 3 round burst of 2 headshots and one body shot to one burst, if you dont do that its 2 burst and now you are saving what.. .2 seconds at best than just spraying with smgs?

[royal swan]

No

Smgs are not op

[digital knot]

They are

[royal swan]

They are getting their ass handed by a glock

[fiery shoal]

lets be honest, hardly ANYONE is consistently one bursting with the g57, and more than likely MOST people are needing 3 bursts to get a kill

[royal swan]

And out competed by the shotguns and assault rifles

[digital knot]

everyone uses either avancys or am40

cus it requires no skill

[royal swan]

This man

Bruh

[magic bloom]

Me who uses shotguns and mp28

[royal swan]

[digital knot]

I assume you use them

[spiral folio]

shotguns are shameful

[royal swan]

I use the m5

[digital knot]

and feel offended?

[magic bloom]

Good

[royal swan]

And the glock

[fiery shoal]

id argue smgs are pretty balanced.. g57 is just a viable alternative if you can aim decently which is a bit ridiculous since its a sidearm, but nowhere near making smgs obsolete by any means

[digital knot]

glock requires skill to play

[arctic grove]

NGL. Dozer should be able to keep the smoke.

[fiery shoal]

am40 a bit too good

[royal swan]

Better than most smg

[placid echo]

The M44 is my most used sidearm

[fiery shoal]

id still argue not, for reasons stated above

[digital knot]

I can get %30 more kills than I normally do with am40

[magic bloom]

MP28 and the new pistol cause they’re just mini DMR’s

[fiery shoal]

gotta consider ease of use, follow up, etc

[royal swan]

Put it on burst and one burst can kill a guy

The burst is fast to

[magic bloom]

I might start using the AC42

[fiery shoal]

yes... i directly talked about that.. you need 2 bullets to the head and 1 body to be able to one burst... no one is doing that consistently

just because you CAN one burst, doesnt mean its a busted weapon that makes smgs obsolete

[royal swan]

Until they are close range

[fiery shoal]

with that logic the GVT is busted

[digital knot]

its annoying to use I tried, I think the best gun in termss of game play is ak 24

[fiery shoal]

you dont look at the skill ceiling of weapons as a means of balance...

[digital knot]

its versatile and challenging enough to keep the game fun

[magic bloom]

The AK is mid and I like it cause of that tbh

[digital knot]

ssame

[arctic grove]

M5A3 is a good balanced gun

[magic bloom]

I’ve almost got it Tier 1

[digital knot]

me too

[magic bloom]

I’m like 30 kills away

[royal swan]

The best balance gun

[arctic grove]

Faxts

[fiery shoal]

good players are 2 bursting with the g57.. which is like... barely saving time killing most players vs an smg

but then follow up shots with smgs are easier

[digital knot]

Tbh ak 24's range is a bit too op but otherr than that it is a great gun

[royal swan]

Faster TTK tbh

[arctic grove]

I only use smgs/lmgs/snipers/shotguns when the stupid weeklies make me use those guns.

[eager spire]

Good players are one bursting to the head with the g57. I don't know how you can say SMG's are balanced.

[magic bloom]

I’ve never seen a person use the G57 as their primary I’ve only seen people whip it out in oh shit moments

[digital knot]

facts

[fiery shoal]

killing someone slower than a blink of an eye isnt really anything to write home about...

[royal swan]

I'm starting to make it a primary

T1 the Glock would be easy

If it stays where it's at

[arctic grove]

Imagine if they whipped out the pp instead

[magic bloom]

If this is what we’re talking about

[magic bloom]

Hit’em with the pocket p90 the PF51

[fiery shoal]

i call absolute bs anyone but the top 5% of the player base is consistently 1 bursting full health players

[arctic grove]

true

[eager spire]

it's still possible.

[fiery shoal]

doesnt matter..

[eager spire]

yes it does

[fiery shoal]

with that logic GVT is op

[digital knot]

I got a confession to make, I am dozer main and I think it is broken af

[royal swan]

Gotta agree with @eager spire, I dommed to many people with the glock

[fiery shoal]

you dont consider a weapons balance by its skill ceiling, that makes no sense

[eager spire]

why would the GVT be op, it's a lever action rifle, it practically occupies the same space as sniper rifles, except slower.

[digital knot]

If you play right nothing can kill you with dozer

[magic bloom]

That’s your opinion and your entitled to it but I also am entitled to disagree with you

[royal swan]

The best was 3 kills in a matter of seconds after a flank with the glock, and I got 2 more with my primary

[digital knot]

well you basically doesnt explode under any conditions

[eager spire]

and even then sniper rifles are getting shafted by the railgun existing

[fiery shoal]

g57 is busted because you can 1 burst with skill.. gvt is busted because you can 1 tap with skill

[digital knot]

even direct rocket shots or bombs that explodes under you

[fiery shoal]

solely focusing on the highest of skill ceiling to determine how effective a weapon is is... really questionable

[eager spire]

you can't just whip out a GVT in a close range fight and win against anything, though.

[digital knot]

I think shield should break after a point so I can die

[fiery shoal]

you could if you were good enough.. same sentiment with the g57 and being able to one burst...

[magic bloom]

I feel like it should get the BF4 treatment and have the glass break

[digital knot]

yeah

[royal swan]

The gvt? That shit utility gun lmao

[digital knot]

great idea actaully

[royal swan]

Out classed by most marksman

[digital knot]

cus sometimes I get like 20+ kills with only dozer shield. sry melle

[fiery shoal]

much more likely to 1 shot with gvt than land 1 burst with g57, thats the whole point of the comparison

[magic bloom]

I mean if you wanna get technical any gun can be “op” if your good with it

[eager spire]

There's a difference between a burst pistol and basically the best pistol in the game, versus a utility rifle that's slow and is only notable cause it has a 4x headshot multiplier because it's so slow.

[silk surge]

Nvm, I just re-read the core feedback loop blog, and assaults will still have smoke grenades

Infact, every class will have smokes

[royal swan]

No

[digital knot]

I think smoke doesnt change anything

in this game

[silk surge]

I can't wait for FGM-148 Javelin to be added to AOW with the class rework.

[royal swan]

Never played medic

[digital knot]

I mean

[fiery shoal]

if you say no you gotta be god mode and should start trying out for a pro career

[magic bloom]

Smoke is a literal game changer on breakthrough if you know how to use them

[digital knot]

I was medic main in bf 1 and bfv

but in this game is too chaotic to be medic

[magic bloom]

I’ve single handedly carried pushes because of my smoke loadout

[royal swan]

It matters on who hits, not the fucking gun,

[eager spire]

The SMG nerf was overkill. It was practically a knee jerk reaction to DICE realizing they can't nerf the K30 in any way that matters.

[fiery shoal]

both matter? skill ceiling vs skill floor...

[digital knot]

well generally ppl are too scared to push so I just push myself and get 5 kills with dozer and die

[eager spire]

It was a ridiculous change and they shouldn't have been nerfed that hard.

[solid imp]

I feel zain is a mackay and dozer counter primarily

[magic bloom]

All they really needed to do nerf it’s range and damage and the K30 would’ve been fine

[eager spire]

except they did do that

they did that in the update before the SMG nerf happened.

[digital knot]

well it is too slow to counter it, sos far I only died to zain with dozer 2 times

[silk surge]

We need more Mackay counters in this game.

[magic bloom]

I meant up the nerf more

K30 was fucking annoying cause of how far you could beam people

[digital knot]

why tho he doesnt have anything special

[solid imp]

👀

[digital knot]

pretty eassy to kill as well

[eager spire]

i mean

[silk surge]

Next recon specialist: Sees every Mackay player through walls throughout the entire game. If a Mackay player uses grapple hook while the new specialist is nearby, their testicles explode.

[fiery shoal]

id argue smgs are fairly balanced, and the headshot multiplier nerf changed nothing for 95% of players

[magic bloom]

Damn

[solid imp]

W

[magic bloom]

1000% agree dice take this advice right here ^

[eager spire]

damn ya'll really hate a man for moving slightly faster while aiming that much huh

[royal swan]

Most guns shoot the same or similar, but because you think the gvt can kill faster than the Glock (because you never said anything about aim or range) in a close range hip fire battle the Glock wins which happens alot

[solid imp]

I mean he's climbed mount everest and had 5 cups of coffee so the storyline writes itself why he blows up

[fiery shoal]

more movement in any fps ever has always been a huge perk

[arctic grove]

[arctic grove]

A bit disappointed they’re gonna nerf his trait too

But oh well

[eager spire]

not if you're the battlefield community apparently

[solid imp]

he's literally 2x faster ADS speed than anyone else

it's not even close

[arctic grove]

He probably needed it anyways

[digital knot]

ok ok ok we need to talk about crawford and his water gun

[eager spire]

eh it's getting nerfed but strafe speed is going up across the board so it's a net positive i feel

[solid imp]

They are decreasing his Nimble and increasing everyone else and it's still not equal, that's how wide the gap is right now

[arctic grove]

Hmm

[magic bloom]

It’s good if you have good game sense

I’ve quite literally shut down half a team with him cause people are dumb and just endlessly funnel

[fiery shoal]

the gvt objectively can kill faster than the glock though... it has the fastest ttk in the game... it wins as long as you are good enough, and since we only care about the highest skill ceiling that means the gvt is the best weapon in the game

(this is just following the same logic as "g57 broken because it can 1 burst")

[digital knot]

irl I can probably do more damage with my fists than that gun does

[digital knot]

it kills like in 6-7 shots

how is that posssible

and it doesnt even cover the whole body

[solid imp]

The vulcan? It shreds until you get sniped.

[eager spire]

yeah but consider the amount of effort it would take to consistently get that high damage and do really well with the GVT. You'd basically have to be exclusively hitting headshots literally all of the time. It's balanced by the fact that it requires a lot of skill and effort to do that. Meanwhile, with the G57, you can literally accidentally oneburst someone in CQB.

[solid imp]

Don't set the vulcan up on a ridgeline and use it in a tight cqc area and it's amazing

[magic bloom]

Aim for the upper body and the spread will hit the head

[digital knot]

well 1 rpg and you are done tho

and it is really easy to flank with rpg

[arctic grove]

His ads speed was pretty nice but yeh, seems to be for the better

[solid imp]

yeah but if you can pin down a corner the enemy is likely to come around they probably won't get that rocket off

[fiery shoal]

and the skill and effort to land 2/3 shots to the head and at least hit the body with the other bullet (otherwise you need 3/3 to the head) to consistently get that high of damage with the g57 is the same scenario im talking about...

[magic bloom]

If people run into a hallway not knowing your there they can’t pull out an rpg

[digital knot]

fair point

[eager spire]

It's not the same because you can literally do that accidentally. It does not take that much skill and/or effort.

[magic bloom]

And if your an even smarter Crawford you set up near an Irish APS

[digital knot]

well they can come back for revenge in les than 20 secs

[solid imp]

Exactly this

[fiery shoal]

who tf is accidentally landing 3/3 headshots with the g57 consistently?

[eager spire]

nobody

that's why it's balanced

[magic bloom]

Then you simply pull a tf2 engineer, pack up and move to another spot

[fiery shoal]

sorry g57

[digital knot]

well you can move the gun but how practical is it to move the gun every time you kill someone

[solid imp]

Crawford was one of my fastest T1s doing this kinda stuff for sure

[digital knot]

I am quite amazed rn

[eager spire]

It's not about consistency. Also, it's technically a 2 shot in CQB.

you don't even need to hit all 3 bullets in the head to do that.

[digital knot]

I thought everyone was thinking the same think about crawford

well

[magic bloom]

Pretty practical if you mow down half their team

[solid imp]

the t1 was easy since it counts assists as well, which is really unlike a lot of the other specs

[digital knot]

ohh makes sens then

[solid imp]

and area denial counts for a lot

[fiery shoal]

its about consistency.. we both have literally used the word consistency several times.. and its 2 shots to the head and at least 1 to body to 1 burst a full health person

[solid imp]

even if you're not getting those kills you know you helped when you're getting as many assists

[digital knot]

true

[magic bloom]

And of course most people don’t wanna push if your set up with an Irish

[digital knot]

lol

[solid imp]

yea when you throw something and hear 'tick tick tick' you know you gotta try something else

[digital knot]

How about tanks having inifinite regen

[fiery shoal]

kind of all of this stated here...

[digital knot]

and planes and heliss

I think the system in bfv and bf1 wasgood

it is really annoying to fight with tanks as a troop rn

[eager spire]

nah it's just 2 shots to the head in close quarters and they're dead. like, I don't know how you can look at what is basically a marksmans rifle in this game oneshotting to the head and being slow and practically unusable in close quarters unless you're a god and a burst pistol that can 2 shot to the head in close quarters with tight hipfire spread and act like they're both the same thing and are comparable.

[magic bloom]

I don’t mind it

[fiery shoal]

is there another hidden buff that i dont know about with the g57?

[eager spire]

we're talking about the same buff

[fiery shoal]

the 2x multiplier?

[eager spire]

yes

[digital knot]

well I get very lets say irritated when ebcl ram just circles arround me and I cant explode it even if I land 9 shots on it

[fiery shoal]

g57 doesnt come with hp attachment correct?

22x2x2 is not greater than 100...

[solid imp]

The Ram is legit OP... it's the land version of how the stealth was before it got nerfed. It has every capability, it's stacked with weapons, it has no tradeoffs for any of its abilities, and it takes too much damage for its speed and maneuverability

[digital knot]

I agre 100%, what they should do is lower the amount they can regen after every regen and afte the 3rd regen it should be capped with only 25 percent

[solid imp]

Its only tradeoff is that it kinda loses traction on tight turns I guess? But since all vehicles auto-correct and flip back onto their wheels it makes no difference

[digital knot]

not a racing game so it isnt really a tradeoff

[solid imp]

lol right

[eager spire]

Okay, i see. But still, it is very possible to oneburst in close quarters, the hipfire spread is tight because it's a pistol, and even tighter cause most people run a laser on said pistol.

[digital knot]

unless there is racing serverrss

[solid imp]

forza ram

[digital knot]

lmao

[solid imp]

I thought about making a portal death race mode

[digital knot]

it would be fun

[solid imp]

the hourglass dunes would be perfect for it

[digital knot]

maybe ssomething like david vs goliath in battlefield

[fiery shoal]

[digital knot]

20 pucks against one t28

[solid imp]

Someone made a juggernaut mode

[digital knot]

what was it about

[solid imp]

The Juggernaut has 500% health, is continuously spotted/highlighted red and has an LMG with unlimited ammo.
If you kill the Juggernaut, you become the juggernaut and everyone receives a new loudout

some other things as well but that's the main bit

[digital knot]

sounds fun but 500 health seems a bit too low

[arctic grove]

Sundance and Mackay need to be nerfed. They shouldnt be allowed to carry C5

[digital knot]

why tho

they both have imo very trivial easy to counter abilites

[solid imp]

grapple onto a tank, land on it, boom

grapple onto something above the tank, drop c5 over the edge, boom

[digital knot]

good tank players doesnt die to that generally

90% of the tankss camp anyways

[royal swan]

Despite that I rarely see the gvt being used at all

[digital knot]

maybe could work for chopperrss but very unliklely

[royal swan]

We are talking about the gvt utility gun

The marksman in the wrong category

[solid imp]

I think the tank point is a relatively edge case, but the numbers don't lie... looking at the top 20 players by kill count and literally half of them are mackay main by kill count per spec. He's simply the best operator if you like to go and rack up a high KD as infantry

[fiery shoal]

because its a high skill ceiling weapon... same with being able to one burst with the g57, it takes a lot of skill to consistently pull that off, so to suggest its good because of its ability to 1 burst is misleading AF to say the least.. thats the point of everything ive been saying

[digital knot]

lmao since I upped my soc voltage my keyboard inputs freaked out, thats why I am typing the same letterss multiple timess

[digital knot]

Cant argue with facts

[royal swan]

Wait you're saying aiming at a head requires tons of skill

[solid imp]

Looking only at the top spec in the top 20, it's Mackay- 9, Sundance- 6, Falck- 3, Angel- 2

[royal swan]

So is the recoil handling

[digital knot]

Btw I have seen alot of "top" players that grinded stats in ssingle

[fiery shoal]

i think its weird to say this while at the same time saying the g57 is busted because it can 1 burst...

[eager spire]

onebursting with the G57 does not take a lot of skill, people can and often do that shit accidentally while hipfiring because the hipfire spread is so tight.

[fiery shoal]

#doubt

hard doubt actually

[solid imp]

That's fair I didn't double check the overall human vs bot rates, I only looked at their specialist counts. But it doesn't feel like the needle would move very far

[royal swan]

The hipfire ain't bad

[fiery shoal]

not saying it is

[eager spire]

it's not bad and people often run lasers on their pistols because why would you not do that

[solid imp]

Anecdotally you see loads of mackay running around in game

[fiery shoal]

but people arent just "accidentally landing 2/3 headshots with a body shot to 1 burst people" consistently

[digital knot]

well I saw some guy on reddit that claimed he got every s1 thing in game and played the game for like 3k hours

[royal swan]

And attachments that improve recoil or accuracy

[eager spire]

it is very possible to do that, however.

[digital knot]

it was insane so obv I checked from battlefield tracker

[solid imp]

You can't T1 in bot matches though.. You cap at mastery 12 on solo/coop

[fiery shoal]

added it, but been saying it the whole time, keyword is consistently

[royal swan]

If you are close enough

[digital knot]

and supposedly he got 4 kills every 15 secs in all of his matches : ) : ) ; )

[digital knot]

I dunno but his post was something about that

[solid imp]

lol yea that's a bit excessive

[digital knot]

wait lemme find his post

[eager spire]

Like, it's possible to do that with the G57. It's not possible to accidentally hipfire headshot someone with the GVT in close quarters. Not with any amount of reliability, at least.

[fiery shoal]

it would be awesome to actually get stats on the % of kills that someone gets a 1 burst with the gvt vs how many times they had to 2 or even 3 burst

[royal swan]

It's mostly the 2 bursts but the 1 burst can be done casually

[fiery shoal]

id question anyone that thinks the 1 burst kill percentage is greater than 10%...

[icy flicker]

I feel bad for new players wanting to play this game ngl. It's so damn hard to get used to. Weapon selection off start is abysmal

[digital knot]

Here iss the post https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/zp5m3o/s800_acquired_199_levels_to_go/

[fiery shoal]

and thats already with a baseline of using better than average players

[digital knot]

is it against the rules of this server to link

?

[eager spire]

and you're free to question that, however I still don't feel that it makes much sense for a pistol to be able to oneburst like that.

[royal swan]

The rate of fire is quick, quicker than some smg

[eager spire]

it's not like the M44 where it's really slow so it being able to oneshot to the head is justified.

[fiery shoal]

never argued that it makes sense for a pistol to do that.. hell thats never been a topic AFAIK, ive only argued against it being broken because it can do that and that because it can one burst (landing all 3 shots, at least 2 being headshots to clarify), doesnt mean it makes smgs obsolete

[eager spire]

It does kind of make it a superior option in the close range that SMG's are supposed to occupy in theory.

[royal swan]

With the rate of fire being better than some of the smg, the recoil being controllable, being able to use a drum mag

[digital knot]

Y'all are forgetting one thing mag size

[fiery shoal]

im not forgetting that

or ease of use

or several other factors to consider when talking about balance and filling niches

[digital knot]

I mean you got only one whot with glock before reloading

[eager spire]

???????????

[digital knot]

with burst I mean

[fiery shoal]

yea what?

[eager spire]

i'm sorry you are just blatantly false my guy what are you on about

the glock doesn't have a 3 round mag mate

[digital knot]

wait did I understand this whole thing wrong

[fiery shoal]

damn dont be so harsh on him, you were just wrong about only needing 2 shot headshots to kill something with the g57

[royal swan]

The dropped ammo bags are enough to resupply your glock

[digital knot]

srry my bad

[royal swan]

It's not 100 full

[digital knot]

I thought it needed 3 bursts

not 3 shots lol

[royal swan]

But it's enough for another few kills

[eager spire]

nah in close quarters it can oneburst. i think two burst at most assuming all shots hit?

[fiery shoal]

to one burst you need to at least land 2 headshots and 1 body shot

[digital knot]

well may I ask why not use the pf51 instead of glock

50 ammo mags

[royal swan]

I aim for the chest and let recoil do the rest, it mostly one burst them

[digital knot]

and 900 rate of fire

[eager spire]

The PF51 does not have a 2x headshot multiplier as far as i know

[fiery shoal]

g57 better as long as you have decent aim

[eager spire]

and also has a lot more recoil than the G57

G57 is basically the best secondary weapon in the game.

[digital knot]

well we are talking about close range so does recoil even matter

[fiery shoal]

still a consideration

[digital knot]

and what is the difference between time to kill between those gunss

[fiery shoal]

again, you dont determine a weapons "efficiency" based on the skill ceiling

[royal swan]

Yeah but not as much

[digital knot]

true I am not talking about that tho

[eager spire]

note that this is based off like Season 2 data because sym.gg hasn't updated their shit yet

[fiery shoal]

those are counted as body shots and you cant change the g57 to burst mode for this either

[eager spire]

I assume it would do the same damage in burst though.

[fiery shoal]

yes

but burst drastically changes ttk, which was his question

[digital knot]

so it is nearly the same

[fiery shoal]

and of course a 2x hs mp difference..

[eager spire]

well i mean how much does it increase the rate of fire?

[fiery shoal]

a SHIT load

1k iirc

[digital knot]

no I think 2x

[fiery shoal]

but thats also a bit misleading since its burst and follow up shots arent instant

[digital knot]

at best

[fiery shoal]

im saying the rof in burst is around 1k

[digital knot]

tbh I think ttk in both guns are the same

[fiery shoal]

not saying whatever value its is ADDS 1k

[icy flicker]

Is it just me or do enemy footsteps not exists?

[digital knot]

yeah that would be insane

[eager spire]

I don't think that's true, i don't think you could kill someone in 3 bullets with the PF51

also, consider that the only other gun in the game with a 1k rate of fire is the K30.

[digital knot]

thats true i didnt consider that

[eager spire]

at least as far as i know

[fiery shoal]

g57 ttk is definitely faster, but thats under best case scenario

id argue that for most people the ttk differences are probably so minimal that most people should use whatever they think is easier for them

[digital knot]

I think between pf51 and glock pf51 winss

since it is easier and more efficent to use

[scenic badger]

BF tracker is all sorts of fucked up lately. it doesn't even show my top 3 guns any more, they're just absent from the weapons list altogether too

[digital knot]

more forgiving too

[digital knot]

it does sshow if you refressh couple of time

s

[royal swan]

The only thing that stats don't give us is reaction time

[fiery shoal]

pf51 better for most, anyone with even slightly above average aim would probably do better with g57

[eager spire]

I don't think so, G57 has a tighter hipfire spread while standing and moving.

1.3 degrees versus the PF51's 3.1 degrees.

[digital knot]

maybe for using as a main gun yes but for secondary pf51 all day

[digital knot]

good point

[fiery shoal]

i dont think that changes under any scenario

they both occupy the same use space

neither are medium or long range weapons

hell g57 is better at medium/long range as well

[eager spire]

the G57 is just the best secondary for close range, where you should be using a pistol anyway.

[digital knot]

well rate of fire grreatly decreases between bursst and at a panick moment pf51 would more helpful I feel like

[scenic badger]

PF51 has nothing on the Glock. Only bad players that need something full auto could possibly benefit from it over someone who can actually aim

[royal swan]

I feel like I shoot paper bullets in ranges with the pf51

[fiery shoal]

that falls back to my original statement on who the two weapons are for which is "pf51 better for most, anyone with even slightly above average aim would probably do better with g57"

[digital knot]

well kind of a personal opinion then, cus even tho I think I have "sslightly above average aim" I prefer pf51 cus I dont need to reload

[fiery shoal]

pretty sure g57 has more kill potential in a magazine though

[eager spire]

but considering how effective the G57 is in close quarters, that makes the SMG's less viable in their intended range. I just don't see the logic behind them being nerfed, and the listed justification is frankly insane and unjustifiable for someone working at a AAA development studio working on a large FPS game. Like it's genuinely up there on the scale of bad decisions, probably right under 343i giving KBM players aim assist in Halo Infinite.

[royal swan]

Everyone gangsta until dice adds shotgun sidearm

[fiery shoal]

doesnt really matter the total mag count.. matters how many kills you can get in a mag

[digital knot]

well depends on playstyle I am dozerr main and cus of general cowerdness of ppl I rush alone and clear areas by myself and I often find myself die when I reload

[digital knot]

underbarrel

[scenic badger]

the SMG 1.25x headshot modifier nerf was the dumbest decision DICE have made since releasing the game in such a broken state. I could understand 1.75x, or 1.5x but its way too damn low as it currently is

[royal swan]

The underbarrel is overrated

[fiery shoal]

your preference doesnt matter when having more kills in a magazine is more important than just having a larger magazine number...

[digital knot]

true but a point to consider

[eager spire]

Personally, I feel 1.5x would've been justified.

[digital knot]

well I keep running around empty so more bullets is always good

[eager spire]

The headshot multiplier nerf was pretty blatantly an attempt by DICE to nerf the K30.

Because they couldn't nerf it in any other way that mattered.

[royal swan]

Ever switched to a different mag you have in the plus system

[digital knot]

wait

[royal swan]

Oh no

[scenic badger]

too much work to apply headshot modifiers to bullet types rather than weapon class types, but i've always thought that would make a little bit of sense considering they use light/medium/heavy ammo types in this game

[digital knot]

omg

I am crying

[royal swan]

[digital knot]

well time to dead

[royal swan]

How long have you been playing

[fiery shoal]

g57 36 in a mag, pf51 51... but you get some 10 kills in a mag with the g57 while you get 7 with the pf51

[digital knot]

well finally bye bye to handling penalty from underbarrelss

[digital knot]

170h

[royal swan]

WHAT THE FUCK

[digital knot]

: )

[fiery shoal]

basically g57 absolutely stomps the pf51, the only time anyone should pick the pf51 is because of personal limitations

[digital knot]

not much but alot without knowing this

[royal swan]

170 hours and you had no idea about the plus system

[digital knot]

I know the system

[fiery shoal]

i mean, pf51 is still a good secondary, but its still squarely a secondary

[digital knot]

but I didnt know that different ammo types had differrent ammo counts

[fiery shoal]

g57 being the best primary doesnt make every other secondary bad either

[digital knot]

plus system is one of the reasons why I love the ak 24 actually

[scenic badger]

I T1'd the glock a while back and have been using the PF51 begrudgingly. Its fine, just fine... I wish the M93R was not so crazy on the visual recoil cause I prefer use that instead

[digital knot]

ability to switch instantly between shotgun, sniper, and rifle in one gun

[eager spire]

I would like to remind everyone that this was DICE trying to balance the SMG's in Update 1.2, the only update before Season 2 came out.

[royal swan]

So when you run out of ammo for the mag type you use you just never changed the mag type

[eager spire]

Then, Season 2 happened, and

They literally tried one thing and ran out of ideas.

[digital knot]

I pretty much rack melle killss cuss of this reasn

[eager spire]

...M5A1 Close Combat is not an SMG though the nerf was weird.

[royal swan]

Bruh

[digital knot]

190 dozer kills so far

[scenic badger]

at the time of the patch, this particular section was the biggest love/hate patchnote i'd ever seen in the game cause they killed my MP9

[digital knot]

and alot of takedowns aswell

or melle fights without takedowns

[eager spire]

I don't understand why they nerfed the MP9. Did anyone seriously think that gun was a problem?

[royal swan]

No

The mp9 was a decent smg that even tho was a shadow of the k30

The k30 is to blame

[fiery shoal]

its my best performing smg and a lot of other peoples best performing smg when i checked

[eager spire]

i mean it saw a lot of use in the light of the K30 nerf

[scenic badger]

it was not necessarily easy to use... but the damage values were a bit skewed, but they didn't deserve the nerf they got either

[eager spire]

I know for a fact noted good BF player FocusBF used it a lot.

[royal swan]

It was the first gun I t2

I never t1 it

[fiery shoal]

im pretty sure i saw a lot of people had the mp9 as their best performing smg before the k30 nerfs

[digital knot]

Btw will they ever bring more drroness

[royal swan]

I hope

[digital knot]

me too

[scenic badger]

yeah first SMG T1 for me, first AR was AC42 which is now even more insanely better than it was on launch

[fiery shoal]

the k30 and mp9 were interchangeable iirc

[royal swan]

Also mortars

[digital knot]

xd

[eager spire]

But like i said, they couldn't nerf the K30 in any way that mattered

so they just gimped the entire fucking category

and i really do think it was a knee jerk reaction.

[fiery shoal]

eh i dont see it that way, but no proof of either stance

[royal swan]

I have a good idea how nerf them

[digital knot]

rof decrease and damage decrease would be the best way to go about it imo

[fiery shoal]

yea mp9 still my best performing primary

[royal swan]

And my newish nerf for mortars is that you gotta aim to pick a spot to target, but when aiming you can't see the map or information on where enemies are

[eager spire]

yeah but high rate of fire is a defining characteristic of the Vector.

Which is what the K30 is based on.

[royal swan]

You are given a map of the area that has no information and covers your entire screen like first person aiming with the tank

[eager spire]

They already tried decreasing the damage, as you can see in Update 1.2

[digital knot]

hmm then maybe increase the rof to 1000 and decrease damage to 29 or around that

shit sry

[eager spire]

It's already at 1.1 RPM

[fiery shoal]

theres nothing saying they couldnt decrease it anymore

[digital knot]

yeah I realised that

[scenic badger]

the easiest way to fix the K30 would have been removing the extended mag so that you're stuck with 20 or 30 or whatever. but they couldn't do that when everyone had already unlocked it

[fiery shoal]

actually probably my favorite idea pushed forward for the k30

[digital knot]

fixing this, increasse to 1200-1300 and decrease damage to 27

or maybe 31

[eager spire]

most of the ammo types did like 15-18 in close range

[digital knot]

with base damage changing that would decrease as well

[fiery shoal]

they are saying that your numbers are way too high

[digital knot]

not that hard to unlock I doubt anybody would complain about that

[eager spire]

yeah your numbers are too high, the first numbers in that screenshot are what the damage numbers were before the nerf.

[digital knot]

ik sso if 40 is doing 15-18 in close range 30 would do 10-15

if I understand it correctly

[eager spire]

you're reading it wrong

the 40 there is 40 meters.

Basically it's saying that Subsonic ammo at 30-40 meters now does 15 damage as opposed to 18 damage.

[digital knot]

I was talking about firepower

doesnt that reflect damage

[eager spire]

Subsonic ammo does 18 damage at 0-10 meters as opposed to 22 damage.

[eager spire]

what do you mean

[digital knot]

cant I posst a pic

:((((

the first stat in the gun page

[eager spire]

just dm it to me and i'll post it

it would be

but DICE are not in the business of making sense

[digital knot]

sent you the ss btw

[eager spire]

...WHAT THE HELL IS THE FIREPOWER STAT SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT

Because that does not fucking represent damage

[digital knot]

asking the same thing myself rn

[eager spire]

If the K30 did 40 damage per bullet there would be riots.

[hallow sierra]

its just there for beauty

[eager spire]

because people already hated it when it did like 20.

[scenic badger]

i said this to myself this weekend. the firepower value in game is worthless to look at

[digital knot]

imagine just prraying blindly and getting aces

[eager spire]

I do like sym

but god i wish they would fucking update their stuff

[fiery shoal]

i think its a relative stat and not represent anything in particular

[eager spire]

because i don't really like lacking confidence in their data because it's from Season 2

[eager spire]

it's stupid and actively confusing.

[scenic badger]

i put in a ticket with sym.gg when they hadn't added the crossbow after like 6 weeks into season 2. they said its actually DICE who's holding them back cause info isn't released

[eager spire]

oh, is it

[royal swan]

How I would like mortars to be if added
-have a very long recharge time that has to activate by ammo crate that only resupplys one mortar round
-have a delay when firing a mortar round (gotta arm it first)
-to pick a target you gotta aim to screen where it hides your map and gives you a map with zero ingame information
-you are given two mortar rounds that you can pick to be either HE, AP, or smoke.
-you can only fire another round 3 seconds after your first round hits the target

[digital knot]

I am kinda guessing the damagess by myself by using the gun and it is damn unreliable to do this way

[hallow sierra]

its true cuz im still trying to figure out why did they add vehicles in stranded bt when they say the map is infantry based

[eager spire]

How I would like mortars to be if added
-not be added

[royal swan]

No fun 😭

[fiery shoal]

infantry based doesnt mean there absolutely no vehicles

[digital knot]

it would be hard to counter tbh

or would be mayhem

[scenic badger]

the last specialist will have a mortar ability. calling it here and now

[fiery shoal]

a tomato based sauce doesnt mean its only tomatoes...

[royal swan]

Oh you are spotted for 10 seconds when you fire your mortar

[eager spire]

the best you could probably do is using that portal firing range

i think that reports damage values

[digital knot]

imagine like 15 ppl shooting mortars at the same time lol

[digital knot]

wait is there a range

where iss it

[eager spire]

someone made one in portal

lemme find and grab the code for it

[hallow sierra]

noname's aim trainer

[royal swan]

Oh to make mortars more balanced you can't use it in your spawn, it has to be in the available battle ground

[hallow sierra]

its annj7z

[digital knot]

thx

[digital knot]

still imagine shotting on top of towers in mass to absolutely annihialte ssectors that the team wanna rrush

[royal swan]

Once you fire two rounds you gotta wait a long time to even get both rounds back

[eager spire]

I believe this is it

[kindred flint]

what is this anti fun shit you are saying?!?!

[digital knot]

I mean like 2 squads firing at the same time

[royal swan]

It's the balance mortar

[digital knot]

imma check this rn thx

[royal swan]

The anti spam mortar

Can't fire another round until 3 seconds after the first one hits

Who said the mortars can aim high

[arctic grove]

Considering it’s gonna be a recon, doubt

[royal swan]

They are only good in medium ranges, they can't do shit in far ranges

[digital knot]

you know what we need in thiss game

forklifts

[scenic badger]

oh yeah that's right. okay, its an RC drone that drops bombs

[digital knot]

I wanna be a certified battlefield forklifter

[royal swan]

That's not battlefield enough

[topaz field]

So much Sundance haters 🤣😫

[royal swan]

It's not what the others were like

[arctic grove]

I am supreme Sundance mobility hater

I don’t think there’s many gadgets I’m against adding back into 2042

[scenic badger]

does anyone else think Boris could be fine (passive needs work) if they just extended his turret's radius from 5 to 10m? its so damn hard to sit inside the turret's circle, especially if you place it on anything but the ground

[topaz field]

I see it feels so good on PC

[royal swan]

I got used to the mortars so much that it's way to calm

2042 is the most calm battlefield game

[digital knot]

kinda yes cus of the lack of destruction

I am still mad about that

[digital knot]

cant join the servers unless there is already a ppl in it for some reason

ssolved it

[royal swan]

No bombers, no anti personal mines, no mortars, no artillery

No destruction

[arctic grove]

Add destruction and fortifications

Equal each other out

[digital knot]

fortifications make me wet

that sht was fun]

[arctic grove]

The way I see them especially since someone else here told me about em they were good for preventing maps from becoming wastelands cause destruction

[royal swan]

We are only tempted with the stealth bomber, we are getting claymores in the future, destruction is still missing, and artillery will be airstrikes but that's also distant future

Mortars are still gone

[digital knot]

btw ak 24 damage dropoff is INSANE

[royal swan]

First battlefield game with no mortars

[digital knot]

it never goes below 22

[arctic grove]

Well air strikes are pretty questionable if they’ll be added or not unless new info came out

[digital knot]

which iss nuts

[royal swan]

Bfv had one

It was the spring propelled explosive

[digital knot]

and hs never goes belor 47

[royal swan]

We got voice lines for airstrikes in the previous update

[arctic grove]

Ohh that’s right

I forgor

[copper fulcrum]

Apparently that was related to the Stealth Choppers

[arctic grove]

…darn it

[royal swan]

Not sure how

[copper fulcrum]

You know they drop bombs right?

[arctic grove]

Well considering they had very weird wording when they were talking about the S5 map I don’t doubt those were referring to the stealth helis

[royal swan]

It's the bf3 claymores

The one where if you run they trigger

I don't think so

It's like bfv where you prone the bouncing betty won't go off

But because everyone tactical Sprint the claymores will kill

That's if you don't see the red laser

And are oblivious

[digital knot]

btw melee kilss should be oneshot

[royal swan]

No

[digital knot]

cuss takedowns are unreliable asf

[digital knot]

?

[copper fulcrum]

No

[digital knot]

wdym no

[royal swan]

This ain't cod, where you run around killing everyone with melee

[copper fulcrum]

Unless you're using Dozer's Shield, no

[arctic grove]

If you mean pressing melee should trigger an animation that kills yes

[digital knot]

it is not tho

[arctic grove]

Like not just from behind a player but from most directions and positions and stuff

[copper fulcrum]

If you want a one-shot melee, just do it from behind, ez.

[digital knot]

I dont want to ssee people doing jumping jacks in front of me after I melee them one time

[royal swan]

Never been one shot unless you find the sweet spot

Which is behind them

[digital knot]

bfv and bf1 had animations that triggered that made you immune while you melee

granted they were unreliable but I could get 7-8 melee kills in one match with that systemn

rn without dozer it is hard to get even 3

[copper fulcrum]

You were not immune while you meleed

[arctic grove]

Perhaps you’re referring to how they were more dynamic

[royal swan]

It seemed like it but you will die after it

[arctic grove]

2042s takedowns only work when behind the player unfortunately

[copper fulcrum]

Trust me, the amount of people I saved because I shot the person who was stabbing them or whatever is a lot

[digital knot]

I dont remember dying while animationss played

[kindred flint]

oh yeah...triggered at least 2 people on my team that match

[copper fulcrum]

You probably didn't do them a lot.

[kindred flint]

dude who goes 8-11 was seemingly the most annoyed

[copper fulcrum]

But you can be damaged and killed while doing an animation

[digital knot]

I did like alot alot

but it was a long time ago

wtf you cant hs with rocket launcher

it doesnt even damage the character

what kind of bug is this

[next onyx]

@thick shadow yeah!

[drowsy shuttle]

How i wish there was enough players to disable crossplay

[willow sky]

nothing beats takedowns honestly, quite satisfying actually