battlefield-2042

[tough flax]

Im a gamer gamer

[mental delta]

You want a new BF game ?

[arctic grove]

usually casual gamers don't give a shit about what games they play

but you

[lilac dust]

HOLY FUCK ANGRYJOE IS STREAMING BATTLEFIELD 2042 .... ARE WE IN ANOTHER DIMENSION RIGHT NOW?

[arctic grove]

are something special

[edgy oriole]

at this point yeah. 2042 content old af to me.

[arctic grove]

and you're the type of person to buy a new phone every year

I bet your ass you do

[tough flax]

I get new iphone each year yes

[edgy oriole]

last phone i had was galaxy 10s and just upgraded to the flip

[arctic grove]

you're a fucking millionaire

[tough flax]

Iphone 14 pro right now

New macbook

Shush

Money aint real

[arctic grove]

yeah yeah we get it

shut the hell up

[tough flax]

Andrew tate

[eager spire]

🥱

[mental delta]

What do you mean by old ? Because it only released 1 year ago, we need a new BF though cause this one sucks and I hate specialists

[edgy oriole]

i find new dropshipping business everytime new phone comes out

[arctic grove]

you're one of the groups of people that plagues the industry to persuade them to continue making bad products

[tough flax]

Factsssss

[arctic grove]

instead of being critical about something, you just give in

[edgy oriole]

very little maps. no difference in game modes. i have around 500 hours. i need new.

[arctic grove]

no questions asked

[tough flax]

Anything after 3-4 years i consider OLD, for a game that is

[edgy oriole]

gamewise anything after 8 months is reaching old.

for me

[arctic grove]

I don't like that physiological idea of yours

[formal igloo]

No i mean the music

[mental delta]

Be more critical, those are the worst maps ever seen in a BF game, only 2 major gamemodes and everything else is barely played

[gusty spoke]

So is there going to be battlefield 4 map in season5?

[mental delta]

Content in this game is not old but it's bad af

[tough flax]

60/40 bad to good

[mental delta]

Ha ok sorry

[edgy oriole]

i thought manifest and discarded 128bt were top tier maps. everything else is mid. orbital is worst map imo. exposure is insta classic.

[lilac dust]

Nope. A location in the BF4 era. Not a remake of a BF4 map.

[edgy oriole]

breakaway 128bt was good but sector B made the whole map ass

[mental delta]

Orbital is the best to me but most of the maps are bad though, I still don't get how it's possible this game has been such a disaster, people were waiting for it so much

[gusty spoke]

Ok

[tough flax]

They made 2 good games bf 1 and 5 and then they messed up

[frail sparrow]

new bundle is nice. but 2400 boins for black reskins? maaaan

[tough flax]

Yet i still really enjoy the 2042 gameplay

[gusty spoke]

also, will battlefield 2042 be on ea play forever or only limited time like a few month

[ebon pilot]

foeva

[edgy oriole]

orbital 128 sector A was fun. but fighting in a tall building then blowing up a rocket to kill the whole defense made that map the worst for me

[tough flax]

Cheap, i got it XD

[tough flax]

Forever

[frail sparrow]

you mad lad

[lilac dust]

5 was a disaster at launch. 2042 has plenty of great things going for it. It'll be at least close to on par with BFV by season 5 IMO but I guess some folks don't like a lot of the reworked maps still so not for everyone.

[edgy oriole]

bfv pacific was peak battlefield imo

[tough flax]

I feel this, i heard 5 was a letdown at the start too

[lilac dust]

2042 can easily get a pacific moment. We just need more than 5 seasons.

[tough flax]

1.4k euro spent on the game so far XD

[tough flax]

Next year i cant wait to see the games shape

[frail sparrow]

tbh the only bad thing about bfv was the community yelling about stupid inaccuracies while shooting thompsons as german soldiers and shit liek hating on women on the ww2 front. they wouldn't dare talking about the gameplay online which was fecking perfect. maybe the game would've been finished if they didn't nitpick so much on cosmetics and played ze game instead

[eager spire]

even if it got a Pacific moment, it won't fix all of the issues the game has.

People will just forget about them.

[lilac dust]

I'm more referring to the lack of content at launch, and having whole chunks of the game locked behind a date

[spiral folio]

Well and planes were pretty op. Sniping was bad too

The AT rifles were a joke

Jungle maps existing

[edgy oriole]

i loved zeroing with snipers in bfv. it was beautiful

[ebon pilot]

If DICE is doing what I think they're doing, then 2042 should last a long time.

[frail sparrow]

ah okay 🙂

[spiral folio]

They never should have added the AT rifles if they were gonna add em so stupidly

[tough flax]

I want it to, really

[edgy oriole]

2042 needs way more maps if its gonna last a long time

[tough flax]

True

[celest horizon]

how do you ever get kills with the ghostmaker, let alone 300 kills for the explosive arrows when you need to hit someone 3/4 times

[edgy oriole]

and a server browser

[lilac dust]

I know they sort of confirmed that season 5 is thanks to us sticking with the game. I just hope the store money goes to a good cause like season 6 and beyond

[edgy oriole]

bc i cant play the same 2 maps back and forth for more months

[chilly jacinth]

unfortunately map making takes alot of time

[ebon pilot]

As long as a new map is added with each season it'll be fine

[spiral folio]

Server browser for regular MM wont be for a while

[subtle raptor]

What do you think they're doing? Next season is our last specialist, they aren't even going to have an even number of specialists per class.

[ebon pilot]

get within 50m

[spiral folio]

It'll come eventually

Exploders

[tough flax]

How mnay ppl they got working on the game? Should have been one of the first things done

[celest horizon]

literally sat behind someone 3 inches away and hitmarker

[gusty spoke]

Why did bad company smiley get copyrighted? Didn’t dice make it

[ebon pilot]

don't use close combat rounds

[edgy oriole]

by the time this game reaches year 2. i 10000% dont want to play release maps ever again.

[spiral folio]

I use the crossbow on stranded mostly

[eager spire]

It won't be added, DICE already said they're not adding it.

[tough flax]

WHAT

[spiral folio]

Dice says lots of things

[tough flax]

0-0

[spiral folio]

Never trust a dev

[celest horizon]

lad. the crossbow

[ebon pilot]

yes, there's the standard arrows, and the close combat arrows

[frail sparrow]

i dont think ze amount of maps matters, it's the quality of ze maps. bf4 had a shitton ton and a ton of them were straight up trash. bf3 didnt have a huge map pool, but a ton of variety and catering to a selection of playstyles. bf2042's issue was that litterally every map at start was more suited for conquest large and veeerrryy open. they need to fix ze map variety, not so much ze numbers and i feel the reworks are kinda fixing that

[eager spire]

they pretty blatantly have no plans to actually do that.

[spiral folio]

The 5 mag mini-bolts are bad yes

[celest horizon]

the struggle to get kills outweights the fun potential.

[spiral folio]

They say lots of things
And then go back on it
Never listen to "never" from a dev

As a whole

[gusty spoke]

why did the bad company smiley get removed bcus of copyright? Dice made it

[frail sparrow]

though i do wish they feckin ported more maps for portal, man

[tough flax]

Idk

[formal igloo]

It also was TTK. The women wasn’t the problem, it was the robotic arms.

[edgy oriole]

to me comparing games from 10+ years ago to now doesnt make sense. back then i could play the same single player mission for days on end. i cant do something like that now. i need different more than anything. if im seeing the same thing everyday i get extremely bored.

[spiral folio]

Didn't they literally never add the prosthetic arm people bitched about

Like it even mattered

[frail sparrow]

i think what you need is a live service, sir

[edgy oriole]

which is what this game "is"

[formal igloo]

Solo/coop games. Lots of games. Source: me

[spiral folio]

I think its funnier when people whine about innacuracies in bf5

-runs around using 08/18 smg-

Or any smg

It might not be the same brats but still

Just brats

[frail sparrow]

i'd remember hating any new map that came out in bfv, but that was mostly due i had to learn ze map design before liking it. bfv is muuuch more hardcore than the previous or even 2042. you needed to stay sharp, know what corners people hide in, what angle people could flank you, cause there was no spam spotting or hardly any hud elements telling youw here enemies are.

[spiral folio]

I liked bf5 but disliked some of its balance and mechanics. I didnt give a shit about the cosmetics

[eager spire]

A lot of people were not satisfied with BFV's balance or mechanics. They never fixed any of it.

Those problems just evaporated when Pacific came out because they didn't feel like talking about it anymore.

[spiral folio]

The cash shop shut down most kf bf5s cosmetic stuff so i wholely ignored it.

I liked bf1s lootboxes better

[celest horizon]

the issue with the maps now is that it is HUGE open areas with hilly terain and barely enough cover to do any infantry combat, vehicles have huge advantages. and then the capture points are CQB. so what ends up happening is that you run 4 minutes to a point, clear out the 4 enemies that are in it, cap it, fight off the wave of 10 guys spawning to defend it, and repeat. the maps are simply too big, relies too much on vehicles. there is like 2 maps where the combat is fun cus its not too far appart from each other. that said, every map is dominated by snipers and has been since beta. literally sat on a rock for an entire game sniping people cross map getting 60 kills. the bloom recoil on the guns is also too much to have reliable combat being able to take out multiple people in 1 spray, and it doesnt help that you need to hit someone like 6 or 7 times for them to die.

[frail sparrow]

nah 2042's is just early access 2.0 xD litterally every update so far is vault weapons (aka porting shit ripple effect made for portal), reworks and bug fixes...and maybe if some intern made a new map or specialist they'll add that too at the beginning of ze chapter :3

[ebon pilot]

Rather than release tons of maps fast in order to sell players on some DLC packs, they're releasing much of the same content, with a higher focus on themes, on a slow and steady release cycle (seasons). This way, they don't have to develop a ton of content fast and burn out in one or two years. Instead they can work slower and can take their time to make new and existing maps better over a longer period of time.

[spiral folio]

The planes drove me back to bf1

[edgy oriole]

i like the idea of cosmetic lootboxes. gives people things to look forward to.

[edgy oriole]

[spiral folio]

Bf1s cosmetic/lootbox system was imo ideal.
You could earn boxes, mass up currency, buy better ones.. or whale your way to what you want

Bf5s was "ok no loot boxes. Everything just costs 10x as much"

[subtle raptor]

Honestly the best solution is bring back all the bf3/bf4 maps with improved graphics and balancing for 2042, and get rid of aow while making portal and community servers better

[spiral folio]

So i ignored it entirely

[celest horizon]

delete spearhead as well. would help a lot. or rework it. its utterly shit on all game modes

[remote kiln]

nice way to kill a game lol

[spiral folio]

I'm not huge into 2042s outfits especially being specific to characters

[formal igloo]

Correct. But by then the “gamers” “gamergated” it

[ebon pilot]

how dare you talk about my baby like that

[celest horizon]

something that is already dead cannot be killed

[subtle raptor]

How? Adding more maps and server browser?

[remote kiln]

have you not checked the player count?

[spiral folio]

Yea like lootboxes exist for decades and then here comes genZ to shit on everything

Thanks kids

[celest horizon]

spearhead is the most unbalanced shitter on this entire game. its literally a league of legends 3 lane straight line map where fuck all happends and you end up fighting off 3 guys in the big buildings in the middle all the time. no other progress happends. its genuinly boring and nearly every match i play on it ends up in a stalemate fighting over the middle which isnt even fun.

[remote kiln]

the game doesn't have custom servers so adding a server browser is literally just going to have people viewing playlists, it's nothing different from official servers in BF4

[ebon pilot]

have you considered back-capping

[celest horizon]

they need dedicated servers

[spiral folio]

They'll relegate custom servers to portals browser probably

[remote kiln]

they have dedicated servers lol

battlefield has had it for years

[celest horizon]

how? the map is 1 line and flat as fuck. if you have 1 tank and 1 heli flying around you cannot even get to the back

[ebon pilot]

this game is literally all dedicated servers

[frail sparrow]

i gotta say i preferred bfv's system too. now i'm like: oohh cool outfit, but i hardly play that class man. why bother getting it when i'm just gonna be rao anywaylolmao

[spiral folio]

Or .. not playing stupid ancient conquest mode

[remote kiln]

yeah idk what this guy is saying

[edgy oriole]

can you finally run breakthrough in portal?

[remote kiln]

I think? not

[celest horizon]

dedicated custom servers like bf4. inf only, or that type of shit. those servers are STILL up in bf4 and are fun as fuck

[spiral folio]

I don't mind how 2042s unlocks work. I just dont care for the appearances

[edgy oriole]

portal poo poo then

[remote kiln]

you know portal has dedicated servers right

and it's free

[eager spire]

"Dedicated Servers"

[spiral folio]

2042 outfits are like "ok how about... shit um.. orange hexagons this time?" Repeat that 5x

Then all you have left are two normal-ish basic uniforms

[eager spire]

but not really

[remote kiln]

persistent/dedicated the wording is irrelevant

[spiral folio]

Seems like at least half the alternate uniforms are things that make you more obvious

[eager spire]

you don't really have the control over the server that you would in BF4, they're DICE hosted, not hosted by third parties.

[edgy oriole]

i HATE hex skins

[spiral folio]

Like jet black and stark white

[celest horizon]

why not just add custom servers for the base game like every previous title had which developed communities and made servers fun

[copper fulcrum]

Portal is just like custom servers tho

[eager spire]

because that would mean they can't kill the game off.

[remote kiln]

yeah good luck convincing this generation of playerbase to fork out money for dedicated servers that don't have platoons

[spiral folio]

When i see these plain white outfits i aim at em every time theyre so obvious

[edgy oriole]

or add breakthrough to portal so we can start actually using portal

[remote kiln]

the game doesn't have the functions of BF4, it would be DOA

[celest horizon]

people are still running servers on BF2, BF3, BF4

[copper fulcrum]

AOD has their usual custom server up, even for 2042. But for 2042 it's 80 players on 64 player maps

[spiral folio]

The only place those outfits camo are like willy wonkas TV room or the white room in the matrix

[remote kiln]

yeah I'm sure those 10 people still renting servers translates over to this game

[edgy oriole]

also bring frontlines to portal

[remote kiln]

the majority didn't even rent for a year

[spiral folio]

People wanna be tacticool with the black ones too but black doesnt camo great either

[celest horizon]

bf4 is still popular as fuck wdym. that game doesnt get filled by bots and there is a lot of full servers

[wise heath]

4 sucks tho

[tough flax]

^^^^

[remote kiln]

yeah sorry bud 8 servers full isn't alot

[lilac dust]

https://gyazo.com/1f85e0faa0f1c6ada2aad8a1f3fe539d LOL the game never works when big creators come back to the game

[celest horizon]

wasn't the argument

[remote kiln]

you have trouble matchmaking into genuine lobbies in 4 nowadays because of how low the playerbase is

[spiral folio]

"Yet another modern bf for the 3rd time in a row"

I skipped 3 and 4

[celest horizon]

32 v 32 in bf2042 where half of them is bots whats the diffrence

[remote kiln]

nevermind that half the damn servers are spoofed

[wise heath]

There’s more people playing bo2 than bf4 on console

[remote kiln]

did you miss the controversy with 4? the playercounts are fake

[fierce gull]

tier 1 head + Death Uniform =

[copper fulcrum]

honestly, I prefer BF4 over BFV because the amount of freedom. I feel like you can't do fun shit in BFV

[wise heath]

My problem with 4 is how it feels

[celest horizon]

just wish they did something about the anticheat on bf1. game is beautifull and fun as fuck if it werent for the damage-superbullet-wallhacking-aimbotting-flying-godmode hackers.

[copper fulcrum]

Oh yeah but that's due to age

[wise heath]

It feels like I’m playing air soft simulator

No

[spiral folio]

Bf1 had better vehicle/infantry balance so itll always be a model

[wise heath]

Bf3 feels much better

[copper fulcrum]

I think the vehicles felt better in BF4

[remote kiln]

bruh bf3 is air soft simulator

[azure rampart]

no it isnt

[celest horizon]

bf1 wins over bf2042 and bf5. just sadly they gave up on anticheat 2 weeks after launch and now years later its still as bad

[frail sparrow]

bf4 had better infantry/vehicle balance. bf3 had the superior map design

[spiral folio]

If bf1 had 2042s AI server fillers alone

[wise heath]

Too fucking slow

[remote kiln]

you cant say with a straight face that bf3s bullet deviation isn't the most wonky feeling in the franchise

[celest horizon]

go play cod

[copper fulcrum]

My biggest gripe with BFV is just so many restrictions, you can't have a rocket launcher when in a plane or even some kind of special grenade so you can't do "Only in Battlefield Moments"

[wise heath]

hurr durr go play cod

[azure rampart]

bf1 bullet deviation would like to have a word

[copper fulcrum]

There's a two second animation that locks all of your controls for getting out of any vehicle

[azure rampart]

specially when supressed

that was dogwater

[remote kiln]

taken from 3

[azure rampart]

no?

[spiral folio]

"Only in battlefield" wasnt a thing until EA made it a forced ad meme

[celest horizon]

nah seriously tho bf1 was a lot more fun, a lot more tactical, a lot more potential for high kill spree's and shit. just too many cheaters and hackers.

[remote kiln]

yeah it's literally from bf3

[copper fulcrum]

1942 would like to have a word

[remote kiln]

suppression in bf3 is what impacts bullet deviation

[spiral folio]

The fact people regurgitate EAs manufactured meme is amazing

[azure rampart]

bf1 has bullet deviation without supression

[tough flax]

Do hackers still get banned in bf 1 and 5?

[spiral folio]

Some people even act like it was always around

[celest horizon]

nah

[tough flax]

XD mad

[remote kiln]

so did bf3, and every other game, it's called bloom

[spiral folio]

Private servers will bam cheaters

EA servers... yike

[frail sparrow]

suppression i liked tbh, it was super heavy, but that was ImMeSerIve to me. xd

[copper fulcrum]

Yeah bloom has been in shooters for a while

[spiral folio]

At least as old as cod1

[tough flax]

Me and a friend joined a server on bf5 and loading into the server and got banned and kicked instanly for 0 reason XDDDD

[lilac dust]

https://clips.twitch.tv/FunnyBeautifulPigTakeNRG-14dWbe10bz-hEMaO

[copper fulcrum]

Doom technically has bloom

[wise heath]

I hate spawning so fucking far away from everything just to die to someone who is using the russian weapons in less than 2 seconds and wait another 15 seconds to spawn just to repeat again

[spiral folio]

Some petty servers ban people based on clan tags so

[celest horizon]

played a month ago, some cunt with a russian name was flying around invissible aimbotting the entire lobby with a machine gun, 1 tapping everyone. last week i went on again and it was the same guy doing the same shit 20 minutes into playing. with that said you can just get a new account for like 0.50$ and keep on being a dickwad

[copper fulcrum]

Okay now that's petty af

[tough flax]

Ew

[remote kiln]

they also ban you if you're too good for the server

[tough flax]

I didnt even get pass the loading screen i swear

[copper fulcrum]

He missed 80% of his shots and then says that lol

[celest horizon]

fortnite and bf titles yeah.

[copper fulcrum]

Even before that wtf

[spiral folio]

I use the BudZ server on bf1. Theres some server that bans for their tags. Its incidentally the server that made me leave bf5 eventually

[lilac dust]

I've never seen him not miss his shots tbh lol

[spiral folio]

Oh LeB is the one that bans BudZ members on sight

[copper fulcrum]

The amount of times I've been banned off BF4 servers because of 'hacking' is a bit high

[remote kiln]

COD, battlefield, overwatch, Titanfall, name x shooter series it has bloom

only exceptions are dayz.. and that's about it

[wise heath]

Halo has bloom too

[copper fulcrum]

Although one of my ban reasons is something along the lines of

GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS SERVER YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKER ASS

[spiral folio]

Doom2 didn't "really" have bloom it had spread but it was unaffected by shooting or moving

[fiery shoal]

99.9% of shooters have some form of bloom, even csgo has bloom, its just not its primary gun mechanic

[copper fulcrum]

Do you think love can bloom on the Battlefield?

[spiral folio]

I think.. bf1942 had it probably cod1 but i dunno

[fiery shoal]

bloom and spread are synonymous, bloom is really just dynamic spread

[celest horizon]

there's a diffrence between recoil with projectiles and bloom....

[spiral folio]

No

[remote kiln]

dayz is the only game I can think of that strictly didn't have bloom, even pubg has it

[eager spire]

bloom is spread

[remote kiln]

.. it's spread

[copper fulcrum]

My flowers bloom in the Spring

[celest horizon]

then again i play more tactical higher skill shooters so idk.

[fiery shoal]

cringe

[remote kiln]

dude

[fiery shoal]

already starting that approach

[remote kiln]

siege has bloom

[spiral folio]

Bloom is a change of spread from actions taken

Spread is arbitrary sometimes even predictable patterned spread regardless of other actions

[ebon pilot]

lmfao

[remote kiln]

lmao

[eager spire]

to be fair, tactical =/= higher skill

[copper fulcrum]

Arma has bloom, right?

[remote kiln]

yes it does

arma 2 3 etc

[spiral folio]

Bloom is called bloom becahse as you take actions. The aim area "blooms" wider

Hence its different from just random spread

[eager spire]

it's just spread.

[arctic grove]

2042 Gaming

[ebon pilot]

that's just spread

[wise heath]

By tactical you just mean one shot one kill with any gun?

[celest horizon]

bloom is where your bullet will get shot in a premade area around your crosshair. recoil is where the bullet still shoots dead center out of your crosshair but the gun recoil itself will be to a certain % random

[spiral folio]

They are mechanically different functions though

[eager spire]

it's literally less confusing if you just call it what it is

[fiery shoal]

bloom is mainly named bloom because shooting causes your spread to.. well bloom

[frail sparrow]

oof, stole someone's call-in rail gun. poor guy was waiting for it to drop when i stopped by xD

[remote kiln]

premade pattern
my guy, that's spread

[spiral folio]

Spread happens within bloom but bloom occurs from specific actions

They are definitively different things

[subtle raptor]

Is portal not considered custom servers? I mean I understand that they used to allow plugins and stuff but portal seems good to me

[celest horizon]

bloom is not recoil patterns

[remote kiln]

yeah ofc its not

[copper fulcrum]

Whenever I go to Outback Steakhouse, I make sure to order the Bloomin' Onion

[celest horizon]

2 massively different things

[remote kiln]

you literally said around the crosshair

that's not recoil

you're describing bloom

[fiery shoal]

ask for the spreadin onion next time, its better

[celest horizon]

that is what i said

[remote kiln]

..

[celest horizon]

that is literally what i said

[copper fulcrum]

Spreading Onion sounds sexual

[azure rampart]

oh boy what have i started

[fiery shoal]

lol yea it does

[spiral folio]

Patterned spread like counterstrike is also its own weird thing

Like patterned predictably vs RNG spread within an aim area

[somber fable]

qualche italiano vuole giocare?

[celest horizon]

ikkelol/-BangUrDead- — Today at 22:50
bloom is where your bullet will get shot in a premade area around your crosshair.

BLOOM

[copper fulcrum]

If my girl says she's going to do the spreading onion in bed, I know I'm in for a good time

[spiral folio]

WoT uses a 2D gaussian distribution to determine spread

[fiery shoal]

csgo is pattern based, but has spread built in, like any game really

[celest horizon]

WoT is shit

[remote kiln]

officially no if you're going by strictly what custom servers means then you're talking about third party hosts being available (in terms of the BF franchise), portal is so customisable that it may aswell fit the description though

[spiral folio]

World of warships uses two factors to determjne its spread

[eager spire]

Even Portal servers are limited though

[remote kiln]

I'm more hinting at the script editor than anything

[eager spire]

you can't have multiple moderators, you can't monitor chat remotely, you can't have chat filters

[spiral folio]

A lot of games use a similar spread method to WoT so theyre not unique. Like within the bloom area? 90% of your shots will typically be within the center 50% of the bloom

[remote kiln]

which nobody has still used

[eager spire]

i'm just saying when people are talking about Portal servers being inadequate, that's what they mean

[celest horizon]

r6 siege, squad, (csgo), dayz, hell let loose ( which has hitscan with fake trajectory i know that) insurgency sandstorm. those titles.

[spiral folio]

Yea learning curve for hell let loose is a cliff

Dont expect a 10-1 kdr

[wise heath]

why is csgo in parenthesis

[subtle raptor]

I mean I did say improve portal

[celest horizon]

muh its quite simple, but they use fake bullet trajectory. it is hitscan but they use some weird ass calculations and a bullet animation to show a bullet flying

its odd

[subtle raptor]

Ideally it would sort of be like Fortnite creative but without map editing

[wise heath]

fortnite

[remote kiln]

those are not higher skill shooters lol

[spiral folio]

Csgo is at like 12 feet ranges anywah so hitscan isnt that big of a deal at ranges you're shoulder to shoulder anyway

[remote kiln]

they are entirely different categories of games

[frail sparrow]

the best way to get high k/d in hell let loose is when communication between you, your squad leader and the commander is fecking tight. knowing enemy positions is like 90% of shooting in that game

[remote kiln]

apparently hero shooters and one bullet kills are on the same paradigm bar for measurements

[celest horizon]

[spiral folio]

Try using a 12x scope in csgo and youll see the made in china tag on their hats

[spiral folio]

Yea i couldnt get anyone i knew into it so i just suffer

[ebon pilot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/374746571180605451/1054868993451765800/edgelordspeech.png

[ebon pilot]

yeah i couldn't get into it because of that

[celest horizon]

you need a lot more skill in dayz, r6 siege, squad or rust even. to hit someone and to controll your spray, instead of full auto and hope one of your bullets has the correct bloom pattern and hits them

[spiral folio]

And my monitor isnt super high res which helps

[wise heath]

that’s just a lot of recoil then

[subtle raptor]

DayZ full auto is pretty hard to control tbh

[royal swan]

Hell let loose is a mix with arcade and realism, want a realistic WW2 game play post scriptum

[remote kiln]

and even at that, half that list have a professional playerbase whatsoever, insurgency/squad/dayz/HLH dont have it

[spiral folio]

Its a good game but without like a team of people eh

[frail sparrow]

i used to solo too in hll, but i just picked the squad leader role everytime, cause that way, if someone was willing to talk, we could get some shit done 😄

[spiral folio]

BF i can do my own thing

[celest horizon]

or just wonder off to a flank and slowly make your way up and shoot everyone you see... and then get shot directly by a tank me most of the time however i hate the spawning system in hell let loose

[fiery shoal]

if youre just randomly guessing that spread guns will hit you are likely ignoring the knowledge side of those games and knowing which weapons are used for which range.. yes you can still get fucked by rng but its about putting the odds in your favor

[spiral folio]

I had dayZ standalone which was ok til you get a good setup and dont elwanna lose it to some player shooting fhole

And then the devs bailed

[celest horizon]

i just hate any game that has bloom instead of recoil. real guns also wont shoot bullets 20 degrees to the side when aiming straight. too much rng, just dumb

[spiral folio]

I got my like 10 bucks of fun out of dayZ so whatever

[wise heath]

I have like 80 hours on it and I only played on a regular server twice

[celest horizon]

modded dayz is quite fun if you take the whole '' you need to eat every 5 minutes and if you are 1 degree to cold you'll get sick and die'' mechanic. and play on smaller maps cus FUCK running 35 minutes IN REAL TIME to get HALFWAY across the map

[fiery shoal]

spread is definitely my least liked gunplay mechanic as well, but its just a matter of the "scales" being changed. real life hardly has any bearings on game design either

[wise heath]

my problem with dayz, not for me

[royal swan]

Depending on if the game is more realistic or arcade it's debatable

Bloom in arcade games is fine

It's a balancing mechanic

But for realistic games there would be a problem

[formal igloo]

I hate valorant and csgo because of the wonky spread.

[fiery shoal]

i mean, how do you correlate recoil from guns irl to videogames? theres no saying recoil based mechanics are more "realistic" than bloom

[formal igloo]

I hate valorant because it’s valorant too

[fiery shoal]

those are pattern based shooters

[formal igloo]

Pattern

[fiery shoal]

spread is really only there to stop weapons from being lasers

[formal igloo]

Pattern

I mean

I hate pattern

I want guns to shoot where i am

Not 2 inches above

[royal swan]

How to know if a multiplayer shooter is realistic or not, go see how powerful shotguns and snipers are.

[celest horizon]

i just like it when it takes more skill to controll weapons, for example in r6 siege or squad, at a certain range you can use full auto if you can controll your spray, there is still a bit of randomness in your recoil. at longer ranges you just cannot full auto due to the recoil. (like real life) i just hate games where if you full auto, after 5 bullets shot you're probably more likely to hit a plane flying over then the guy right in front of you due to this bloom. had it quite a few times in bf2042 already where there's a guy in front of me, i use the m416 and we end up spraying at each other, me aiming dead center at him and the bullets just flying around him. i clip it, watch it back and see that i aim at them but the bullet just goes WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE... i think thats cringe. and those moments arent even that long of a distance from the enemy either.

[royal swan]

🥱

[formal igloo]

Yeah

[celest horizon]

shotguns are nerfed by default cus they are stupid OP IRL

[royal swan]

Anyways if the shotgun can't one shot kill anything mid range or the sniper can't one shot at ranges then the game is arcade

[fiery shoal]

i mean.. the idea that theres some form of bullet dmg conversion based on hit points is flawed to begin with...

[formal igloo]

I like arcade/tactical mix with a realistic aethistic

[fiery shoal]

a pistol bullet to the head is likely going to kill anyone despite being way less powerful than a shotgun or sniper shot to the face..

[royal swan]

Not in realistic or mostly realistic games

[rich violet]

can i quit the sound of the ping?

[formal igloo]

But in those games you’re mostly running to make up for the increase in range. Which is realistic, but realistic =/= fun

[fiery shoal]

even "realistic games" are likely not following real life scenarios either. 2 shots from a sniper to the foot doesnt kill someone because "a sniper bullet does more dmg than a pistol, and it does 50 hit points and people have 100 hit points of health"

[formal igloo]

Yeah

[royal swan]

For example insurgent sandstorms does shotguns correctly

[formal igloo]

We mean realistic in comparison to arcade

[fiery shoal]

i mean, thats just a weird line to draw in that case, since none of the are realistic

[zenith karma]

Battlefield Pornography

[celest horizon]

only game i'm aware off that has that is squad, hell let loose and post scriptum. shotguns 1 tap people and so do snipers. they nerfed shotguns in tarkov but snipers are still deadly as fuck. in dayz and arma you CAN get snipers and shotguns that 1 tap people but the armor in that game is a bit wonky and usually set up to at least give you 1 tap protection. unless you get stupid OP weapons like .308 winchester rounds or .50 call etc.

[frail sparrow]

i think the thing about guns in real life is the goal is hurt the other guy enough so he won't be able to stay in the game to hurt you as well. it's kinda hard to translate that to videogames without some surrendering mechanics and where most games just focus on kill on sight

[wise heath]

when I watch the trailers

[formal igloo]

If we wanted true realism the computer would brick once we died once

[royal swan]

And most of those games are the big realistic fps titles

[celest horizon]

squad does that DAMN well but that game is more of an arcady- milsim... more serious and slower playstyle

[formal igloo]

Correct

[spiral folio]

You just RNG spread+bloom because otherwise youd have to actually realistically model where the gun is facing, trigger pull, including inertia and so on.

So instead of turning every movement into total physics simulation... "just add a few spread rng mechanisms call it done"

[fiery shoal]

this kind of my point though, true realism isnt even close to what any game offers, so why is anything slightly more realistic than an arcade suddenly "realistic". i get its relative but its just a weird stance on what people think defines "realistic" fps games

[azure rampart]

Are we talking about fuckin realism on battlefield

[wise heath]

“Realistic” in video game terms means different from cod

[formal igloo]

Yes, that’s what i meant by realistic compared to arcade

[royal swan]

No

[spiral folio]

Id totally buy a p125 if they sold em ( especially with 2 rd burst )

[formal igloo]

COD is basically arcade

[royal swan]

We are just talking about realism in videogames

[spiral folio]

Well..
As long as it didnt have those pathetic 14rd mags

[royal swan]

Battlefield is not realistic

Never will be

Same with cod

[azure rampart]

Good enough

[fiery shoal]

idk a single game that is actually realistic either

[spiral folio]

Uhh well om a scale of like bf heroes to arma 3... id say 2042 is closer to arma3 than bf heroes

[celest horizon]

well realism for me certainly isnt wingsuit gliding 50 meters by jumping off a rock that's 8 feet above the ground, landing, spraying 7 bullets into a person without them dying and then get killed by a tank thats operated by 1 guy

[spiral folio]

Like realism is more of a spectrum than yea or no

[celest horizon]

squad

[spiral folio]

2042s the first battlefield to have actual 9.81m/s drop

[sonic osprey]

https://youtu.be/RKuTAEkUDw8

[fiery shoal]

im gonna go ahead and say doubt on that one

[zenith karma]

Cod is the most realistic fps out there. Soldiers tactical sprint with a heavy ass sniper quickscoping other soldiers

[formal igloo]

We started this by talking about bloom/spread in battlefield

[zenith karma]

Same with beetle fattle

[wise heath]

literally ghost of kyiv

[royal swan]

Beetle fattle

Cad

[spiral folio]

I'd imagine theres stuff both BF and Cod do more or less realistically than each other

[wise heath]

reloading is realistic

[celest horizon]

its the most realistic one for me in terms of gunplay, game mechanics , armor and infantry combat and the maps. the healing in it is arcady as fuck. then you'd have to play dayZ with the ultra realism mod.

[fiery shoal]

being the MOST realistic doesnt mean its realistic..

[formal igloo]

Yeah

[celest horizon]

that mod makes the game 1:1 real life realistic and is extremtrely cancerious to play lmao

[royal swan]

If reloading was realistic there would be different reload times and more fuck ups

[fiery shoal]

relative is not objective

[spiral folio]

Arma3 enters that "too realistic" area

Where its like "we need a 5th person to operate the tank"

[wise heath]

this argument is stupid

[formal igloo]

Most “realistic” is ARMA. Walk for 30 minutes, shoot by guy you can’t see.

[spiral folio]

Yep

[celest horizon]

drives car over road, 1 inch pebble causes car to noclip through floor, catapult across map, rubberband back to original position and blows up

[spiral folio]

1 shot ko by a guy with a 38 special hidingin a bush

[formal igloo]

Not argument.

[royal swan]

Put it out there, realism is more serious than fun

[fiery shoal]

i mean, fun is subjective so cant really say that

[frail sparrow]

btw, wasn't nordvik event mode supposed to be at night? 😦

[formal igloo]

True realistic would be that Onion article game about standing around with a brick

[royal swan]

I never played a realistic game that was more fun than a arcade game

[wise heath]

is battlefield realistic for shortening that experience to 5 minutes?

[spiral folio]

Realistic war the first level of bf1 where you die 10 times sometime without warning "war is hell remember that"

"Ok heres the game part"

[formal igloo]

Fun is relative.

[celest horizon]

arma and dayz get quite close in terms of realism. tarkov would be higher on the list if the armor in that game isnt just stupid. but the mechanics of the guns, jams etc is rather cool

[wise heath]

“I have so much fun walking around for 30 minutes only to be killed in one second by someone that I can’t see”

[celest horizon]

you can also be that guy stalking your target for 30 minutes and then finally take them out

[formal igloo]

I want a realistic war game where you stand around nowhere talking about stupid shit

[royal swan]

But you wasted 30 minutes on a guy

[magic bloom]

That’s called battlefield 4 community servers

[wise heath]

so much fun

[spiral folio]

In dayZ once i had some jackwagon potshot at me from like a mile. So far off he couldnt get my stuff if he got me

[royal swan]

Waste 30 minutes killing one guy or 30 minutes doing goofy shit and killing more players

[wise heath]

just watch rvb

[formal igloo]

I have

[spiral folio]

I ended up just hiding and logging out

[formal igloo]

At least the first few seasons

[wise heath]

“realistic is fun” players

[formal igloo]

Rvb is Red v blue right

[celest horizon]

i've done that once with a group of 2 others and me. stalk a guy to his base, wait for 20 minutes for him and his mate to come out, position correctly and both take them out together. its the thrill of the game. there's more games like that. Rust. ark. dayz. arma. squad. there can ALWAYS be a guy watching you and you wouldnt know unless they miss

[wise heath]

Yeah

[magic bloom]

Another reason to play community servers on dayZ

[wise heath]

If you like immersion then go join the actual army

[formal igloo]

More like miss realistic than Cod or valorant

[celest horizon]

''if you like racing games then go drive your car''

not the same

[royal swan]

Bingo, man gotta love the you love realism, go outside and join the military

[celest horizon]

dumb thing to say

i do do airsoft though so u got me ther e

[royal swan]

Or that

[spiral folio]

My scariest moment on dayZ i heard on voice
"DID YOU SEE THAT IN THERE?" And they kept talking i thought it was me. Sat on a staircase with a .44 and then they started talking about a church and I'm like
.. church... its not even this town. Voicie is bugged.

[royal swan]

Airsoft

[wise heath]

neither is playing a racing game with nascars while you probably only own a shitty ford focus

[magic bloom]

I like flying planes in warthunder “then Go join the us army in ww2 to fly your bomber”

[royal swan]

Also arcade games just get more attention

[formal igloo]

Realistic battlefield porn. A algalmantion of the thrilling stuff of war. Not the standing around nowhere while 2nd serg bitchs about dress code

[wise heath]

but if you seriously can wait and enjoy the thrill of waiting for an enemy to leave a building for 20 minutes

[spiral folio]

Real army isnt battles and gunfights

But hey knock yourself out

[wise heath]

you’re flabby ass would rather be better for the army

[magic bloom]

Hurry up and wait lol

[frail sparrow]

you enjoy the spectacle of war. not participating in one

[spiral folio]

Youll spend more time doing pushups and mopping than shooting

[formal igloo]

Yes

[wise heath]

more use to society

[celest horizon]

i once had a fight with a guy, lost him, ran into a house to heal, upstairs. ran into a room, looked around seemed save. started bandaging with first aid kit which was an unstoppable animation. turn around, guy behind the door that was open sat there doing the exact same thing. ''well this is akkward'' ended up being bro's and leaving each other alone

[royal swan]

They (arcade games) are seen more in competitive videogames events, seen more in the game awards, seen more on the internet and in public

[formal igloo]

Yeh

[celest horizon]

bro. if you enjoy racing a car in a game your flappy ass would rather be better doing nascar.

[magic bloom]

I’ve done something similar but we were loading mags ended up trading ammo to each other we couldn’t use

[wise heath]

coming from the guy who did nothing but wait outside a building for 20 minutes for one guy to come out

[celest horizon]

in my case you get to shoot 2 times a year on a range and get send out to boring training events and intel missions for 3 months. pays good tho

[wise heath]

I bet that fills your immersion boner

[magic bloom]

I didn’t spend an hour trying to get the materials to craft a ghillie suit to not use it

[celest horizon]

it was a cunt that kept hunting our group and blew up our vehicle, camping the trader as well. knew it was him so we got him back. its just how that game is lad.

you clearly never played it

people will camp near your base for HOURS just to get you

[spiral folio]

Yea if you join as infantry youll get to shoot some. But most of infantry is

"Ok... we need 10.... you you you you... alright youre cleaning the back road of trash and needles"

[royal swan]

"Oh No my immersion"

[wise heath]

my immersion was ruined when he only stayed in the building for 10 minutes instead of 20

[spiral folio]

I was a mechanic so not only did i not get to shoot. But i still got backbreaking labor

[magic bloom]

What did you work on if you don’t mind me asking

[spiral folio]

Strykers and other wheeled garbage

Humvees are basically foil soda cans on wheels

[celest horizon]

guy is mad that i camped someone in dayZ cus he was a cunt that targetted my group. whilst there is people in that game that will lay in a bush for hours on end looking out over a town killing people looting and roaming there, moving around the hill every few minutes to not get found. those are the immersion freaks that get militairy boners

[wise heath]

you’re the only one that’s mad?

[royal swan]

Realistic lovers when Historical videogames missed a small detail: 😭🤬

[celest horizon]

i once was being harrased on rust, years ago by some portugese guy that kept doorcamping our base for 10 consecutive hours, sleep for 4 hours and do it for 6 more hours after that

thats some dedication

[royal swan]

Looking at you bfv no women fuckers

[wise heath]

calling something that happened on a game harassement

[frail sparrow]

aaaa someone pulled the bfv woman card in fecking 2022

[magic bloom]

Sounds kinda cool

[wise heath]

sounds more fun and less time wasting than what you did lol, my thinking is that you can’t have much fun in “realistic” games compared to arcade

[spiral folio]

I liked strykers but humvees and the trucks they have suck

[royal swan]

It's a reference to the immersion conversation

[willow badger]

Damn bro man fucking spent 10 hours of his day to make yours be the worst, gigachad moment

[frail sparrow]

man, dont give me heartattacks like that

[celest horizon]

open world sandbox game with basebuilding and pvp. BIG maps. 20 minutes to walk from one end to the other if not more. 10 hours , 4 hour sleep brake, 6 more hours of targetting my group. thats harrasment lol. i didnt say bullying or anything lmao

call cyberbullies now

[wise heath]

get the xbox enforcement team

[kindred flint]

my brother in christ... do you need an intervention?

[chilly jacinth]

fucking hell

that's insanity

[somber fable]

who wanna play a match?

[lilac dust]

https://clips.twitch.tv/DoubtfulJazzyPenguinMcaT-djP-2jle6t1FASKT

He played a bunch of games on conquest assault - Awful mode. Now he's checking out exposure - the best map in the game but his first experience is in exodus conquest lmao

[kindred flint]

could be worse things

[lilac dust]

Just so amusing to me, of all people, it's angryjoe who's playing all the worst parts of the game and somehow avoiding all the best parts 🤣

[kindred flint]

also shows him as playing warzone lmao

[lilac dust]

lol

https://clips.twitch.tv/TenaciousTangentialLettuceNerfRedBlaster-OpcxxDhBSRtoHfan Ok this clip is fucking GOLD 🤣

[placid echo]

I took his tags, I paused for a moment to see if I read it right

I was like "Wait why is he here? "

[lilac dust]

wait what

you were in his game?

HOLY SHIT

I'M BLIND

LOOOOOOOOOOL

[kindred flint]

yo thats cringe

[placid echo]

WAIT YOU CLIPPED IT

I just saw the clip lol

[lilac dust]

Yeah I thought that's why you commented LMFAO

[kindred flint]

....this is an amazing exchange

[ebon pilot]

I thought that was his shtick

[kindred flint]

play like shit in a game and get mad at it?

[ebon pilot]

Yeah exactly

[kindred flint]

"omg i cant bounce around between a dozen games at any given time and be a god in them all"

[lilac dust]

Eh I mean if you watch his streams it's a lot less glossy than his videos. I don't think he's purposefully playing bad

[kindred flint]

like that clip that was just posted...dudes trying to shoot the lcmg at like what 120m? or more, put it on single fire ffs

[grave prism]

anybody else getting a lot of the flickering on screen in conquest assault? it's really hurting my head 😦

[placid echo]

Why is he playing it? I thought he didn't like it

[kindred flint]

clicks?

at least ill give him credit for not being an insufferable douche sweat

[lilac dust]

Obviously he goes out of his way to make super angry reviews of games that suck, but he also gushes over really good games. His shtick is being loud and bombastic. People just prefer when the game he's reviewing sucks because loud and bombastic pair better with negativity

[ebon pilot]

I don't like purposely watching people whose entire public personality is based on "I'm mad grrr"

[lilac dust]

But from the streams I've watched of him he is not a very competent player at all

[kindred flint]

the review videos really....got boring after a little bit

i just stopped watching them a while ago

[snow sandal]

Genuine question, do people here get excited to hop on 2042?

I've played since BC2 and this was the first game I didn't buy. Trying the free week on Playstation, but it just doesn't grab me like other Battlefields.

Am I alone on this?

[arctic grove]

yes

and yes

[snow sandal]

I particularly don't like the Helicopter flight physics, very strange and simplified. No idea why they changed so drastically

[ebon pilot]

I rented a PC while overseas so I could play a limited time event and get 3 cosmetics

So yeah I'd say so

[arctic grove]

“No idea why I can’t go 124-0 anymore”

[snow sandal]

Is this in reply to me?!

[arctic grove]

Alright ima stop the funny business

[arctic grove]

yeh

[tough folio]

they changed it because you wounldnt be in the air for 3 seconds without dying to any AA or rockets

[snow sandal]

Cool story bro. Lovely attitude you have

[arctic grove]

Take a tuktuk for your troubles

tuk drive by

[snow sandal]

Nah I'm good

[lilac dust]

I was a huge BF4 guy. I personally love 2042 in it's current state. It's far from perfect, but I boot it up every single day

[pine roost]

I’ve been summoned

Someone mentioned helicopters

[arctic grove]

same here

it's not a good game

[ebon pilot]

skill issue

[magic bloom]

I jump on and play the game almost daily

[arctic grove]

not when the game have cringe characters

[tough folio]

same, it was bad when i played the beta, and i knew the bugs were going to be horrible, but gamepass in season 3, and i honestly like it aside from some balancing issues

[ebon pilot]

fixed already

[arctic grove]

The complaint I’ve got with helis is largely in their momentum and that’s it

I mean, this skill tier thing people talk about with BF4s vehicles is cool but you gotta remember that to this day there are people who go fuckin 120+ kills in a heli the entire game lol

[kindred flint]

not like heli physics were logical in previous games anyways...

[arctic grove]

where are my classic soldiers at

[south urchin]

Lowkey I don’t understand the hatred for the specialists

[arctic grove]

where are the curse and high ego Americans

[ebon pilot]

nowhere because bad

[south urchin]

The only issue is that some of them are useless while others are broken

[snow sandal]

BF4 is probably my most played FPS game by far.

My main complaints are gunplay and flight physics. On console, the recoil is basically nothing (slightly kicks straight up and is easy to control in full-auto). The flight physics (helis) feel like they've been simplified to cater towards less experienced pilots imo.

[arctic grove]

high velocity Chinese soldiers

[kindred flint]

its not the battlefield formula?

[arctic grove]

Their balance isn’t why nobody likes them

and crazy Russian cursing

I just want my grunts

Not fookin

Mackay

[south urchin]

Have BF1 or BFV been the battlefield formula tho?

[magic bloom]

I mean I understand why people don’t like the specialists but it’s not like we’re getting anything different so I’ve just come to accept it

[arctic grove]

yes

[kindred flint]

if they just did what they are about to do in update 3.2 they wouldnt have gotten half of the shit for specialists

[arctic grove]

They have been

[pine roost]

For me it’s only the auto rotation thing. I can learn the minigun’s convergeance, but controlling it feels bad and that’s my main gripe

[snow sandal]

It's essentially exactly that

[south urchin]

Lmao what

[arctic grove]

it's like if we put siege operators in 2042

that's what the game is

They literally have been in the rotation with V deviating mostly in classes getting subset roles

[south urchin]

The classes have been there sure

[pine roost]

Also this is true regarding helis. It’s just a fact

[kindred flint]

bf1 was ass fuck hellregal mains and smg08

[south urchin]

But there have been significant changes in those individual games that were not in battlefields prior

[snow sandal]

Ahahaha your name as well. Man, it's just ridiculous. Like a hybrid of Warzone and Battlefield physics

[kindred flint]

bfv was peak game design with fortifications and squad points and that lovely fliegerfaust

[arctic grove]

Bad logic, those games didn’t entirely fucking change basic core formulas that worked for 20 years lol

[pine roost]

Someone else agrees with me. See I’m not insane!

[magic bloom]

I won’t disagree with you but except the fact most specialists don’t have much of a story to them besides a bit of origin

[magic bloom]

The magnet

It’s there and it’s real

[grave prism]

bf1 was so bad, everyone having 200 round ww1 weapons, the amount of explosives 💀 this game got a lot of explosives but atleast there's fucking irish to counter it

[south urchin]

past 20 years?

[snow sandal]

Surely every person who flew helis somewhat in BF4 would complain?

[south urchin]

You really think they’re the same at the core for the past 20 years

[ebon pilot]

It's been 20 years, maybe it's time to experiment with new ideas

[south urchin]

That’s a crazy take

[arctic grove]

If you think BF1 is a bad game cause muh historical accuracy I can’t save you

where the hell are these guys in 2042
https://youtube.com/watch?v=dTcgaEfszTg&feature=shares

[south urchin]

Genuinely insane take

[arctic grove]

Because you got the wrong idea from the jump

[pine roost]

Everyone who has done still does. Prolosco, silk, x8reaps, most jumped ship at launch because of it but now they’ve just come to accept it how it is

[kindred flint]

resupply stations so vehicles couldnt indefinitely camp with infinite ammo was also poggers in bfv

[arctic grove]

It’s fine to experiment. Just don’t take out core features that have been apart of your games with systems that change them just for the sake of it being a new thing

[tough folio]

no not really, i can fly a heli in both games perfectly fine, and i dont have an issue with it

[snow sandal]

I liked BF1, my only issue was just the gameplay took a hit from the setting it chose.

Just not my kinda setting tbh. Caused for a lack of weapon variety.

[arctic grove]

Change isn’t good just because it’s change

[kindred flint]

firestorm was a massive waste of time, and so was hazard zone

higher up devs need to stop being morons with these worthless modes

[south urchin]

Sure, but the games themselves have all been incredibly different from one another

[magic bloom]

I mean gotta give it to this battlefield that it’s definitely been the most innovative now if it was good innovation or not is left to be decided

[snow sandal]

I can fly them fine. Its just in 2042 the physics are so unbelievably strange. I could have WAY more control in BF4

[ebon pilot]

higher ups aren't devs, they're management

[south urchin]

It’s so hard to just go “yeah man, this battlefield is the battlefield formula”

[lilac dust]

Angryjoe - "This is a weird ass fucking map. This is the best map?" as he proceeds to play on the 64P layout

[arctic grove]

If someone thinks it’s bad for mechanics or something that’s cool but some people call it shit because everyone isn’t running around with 5 clip rifles all day

[south urchin]

Even BF3 to BF4 has tons of changes

[kindred flint]

you know what i mean

[arctic grove]

Mega devs

[ancient junco]

Flying on bf4 is heaven compared to 2042

[pine roost]

I absolutely hate with the bottom of my heart how it constantly rolls without user input. Yet they refuse to fix it

[arctic grove]

Yes, prior to 2042 Battlefield changed the games up in a way that didn’t entirely compromise what people play the franchise for. Unlike starting with 2042

Which is why change isn’t bad. But it depends on what you change

[snow sandal]

My main issue. BY FAR.

I'm aiming at a tank or person, it decides to tilt upwards while I'm shooting. Whoever designed that needs fired

[ancient junco]

Physics in bf2042 are completely messed up at least for air vehicles

[kindred flint]

nah for ground vehicles its fucking shit too

literally no dev has used the jeep it feels like

[snow sandal]

Physics are way better for cars

[pine roost]

Worst part is it that it worked properly before season 1. I have a clip where they effect doesn’t happen at all, but ever since season 1 it’s been a thing

[snow sandal]

No realistic, but better

[south urchin]

So it’s a subjective matter then?

I don’t like x change so it’s bad?

[kindred flint]

the other day i drove over one of the sand dunes on hourglass again and once again, the fucking thing floats in the air and rotates 90 degrees

[arctic grove]

Specialists were a bad change, taking out persistent lobbies and the server browser for AOW was a bad change, 128 (I like this change, but) was a bad change because of how it was implemented, etc

[pine roost]

Cars probably feel better on controller where you have finer control over your turn rate

[arctic grove]

That would be subjective if that wasn’t why the game is largely disliked

[kindred flint]

removing any sort of meaningful destruction for 128p was a mistake

[snow sandal]

Really? I played in the beta and it happened all the time. Now I'm playing the free week and still happens

[arctic grove]

But the things I’m talking about aren’t entirely subjective takes

[ancient junco]

Oh they don't they drift everywhere

[south urchin]

A lot of the issues of 2042 are just missing content and replayability

[arctic grove]

Even if they are subjective takes… quite a lot of people, to put it nicely, hold them

[arctic grove]

More than that

[south urchin]

Specialists were not an awful change, people just whined because it was similar to cod

[magic bloom]

I mean battlefield has always been the same for the most part with a few exceptions and it honestly gets a bit boring to me

[snow sandal]

Uh nothing to do with cod lol

[south urchin]

And muh battlefield can’t be like cod

[pine roost]

Yup. Had my name like this ever since that season because I’m so desperate for a fix

[tough folio]

literally turn off flight assist then, issue solved

[snow sandal]

It destroyed battlefields main identity

[magic bloom]

[kindred flint]

not restricting any utilities went against the fundamentals of the series though

[arctic grove]

“Whined” no, people ‘whined’ because it’s not like Battlefield. Simple as that

[ancient junco]

That's the problem with battlefield they are trying to copy cod to hard

[arctic grove]

It also came with terrible balancing

[pine roost]

Except it IS off. That’s the whole point

[arctic grove]

you also noticed the camera movement is highly reduced in this game

[pine roost]

It’s off yet the effect persists

[south urchin]

I distinctly remember the battlefield community saying they ripped specialists from call of duty

[ancient junco]

When they can't even please the bf og community

[ebon pilot]

when my main identity is how i organize players in the lobby
smh

[south urchin]

Because specialists are like cod or because they didn’t work within the class system?

[snow sandal]

Classes were integral to Battlefield. I can't even tell if that's a joke

[magic bloom]

What defines the OG community

[south urchin]

Let me ask it this way

[tough folio]

it persist but in very small amount compared to when i have it on, and its easy to control

[ancient junco]

People from bf3 back

[arctic grove]

I want gunship

[south urchin]

If the specialists were added to exist within the 4 main classes

Would they have bothered you?

[arctic grove]

and big ass submarines

[pine roost]

The fact that it exists at all with it off is the problem. There’s a reason it’s called ‘flight assist off’

[south urchin]

Or is it just because the class system was removed?

[arctic grove]

that can fire missiles on the battlefield

[south urchin]

Which the class system also wasn’t entirely removed

But that’s a different discussion

[arctic grove]

Both, yes

Like Nyphon said once open loadouts I believe they said were a separate change? So I’m not necessarily gonna draw a link there between them and open loadouts. But open loadouts was a bad change because it fucked up class roles and incentives + infantry to vehicle balancing

[ancient junco]

Specialist ain't bad but I like my classes with they're respective guns better lol

[arctic grove]

One sec I’ll brb

[magic bloom]

I mean the class change is probably gonna fix the class system (people not actually doing there jobs)

[arctic grove]

Back

[magic bloom]

Hello

[ancient junco]

A sniper having both an ammo box,a beacon and drone really ???

[south urchin]

Not possible

[ancient junco]

Or an engineer with an ammo box

[arctic grove]

Also, even if the game launched with specialists inside of the class system I guarantee they’d still be disliked, because simply put most of the community doesn’t want unique quippy ability characters

[ebon pilot]

you can only have a beacon or an ammo box

[south urchin]

Can only have a beacon or a box

[arctic grove]

Not for this franchise, that is

[south urchin]

Open loadouts are not a bad change

At least in my opinion

[arctic grove]

yes they are

[magic bloom]

Until the class change

[arctic grove]

that’s why they’re being removed

[ancient junco]

I don't like seeing medics with snipers or supports with snipers

[south urchin]

It promotes playing the character you want with the weapons they wanted

[arctic grove]

That just categorizes the gadgets differently

I refer to classes separately from faction character models

[south urchin]

The gadgets being locked creates similar problems

[ancient junco]

Classes where perfect has they where why change if it ain't broke don't fix it

[arctic grove]

Classes is a gameplay system and the models are just cosmetic

[arctic grove]

Yeah exactly, which compromises teamplay incentives and roles

[ebon pilot]

that's your opinion

[arctic grove]

It also fucked vehicle balancing

[magic bloom]

I like the open weapons part of the open loadout not everything else like I still play like support when I play angel cause ammo

[arctic grove]

Open loadouts for guns is probably fine

[ancient junco]

Plus that all thing of specialist etc I love how bf always wants to focus on team play and ends up doing the complete opposite

[south urchin]

Open loadouts for guns is absolutely good

[arctic grove]

Locking guns is a bit more classic and besides with the games gun count it won’t come back anyways

[south urchin]

For gadgets

Eh

[snow sandal]

I'll give my opinion.

Battlefield having classes, which have certain equipment tied to them, was a major gameplay point. It meant if you wanted to use a rocket launcher, you could only use certain weapons. It was a sort of balance, rock paper scissors type thing.

Now with specialists. I'm going to ignore their abilities in general but I think some of them are very stupid and just don't belong.

I can now use the most Meta weapon, with the most Meta equipment, with the most Meta specialist. No balance, just chaos. You can't identify a players arsenal by their character and the enemy team have the exact same characters lol.

[south urchin]

It really depends

[arctic grove]

But I expect the full system to be back in a few years tbh

[kindred flint]

Id say the bf4 system where part of the guns were locked behind classes and the others were open to all was a good way to do it

[snow sandal]

I agree

[south urchin]

There’s so many implications in this which are just wrong

[arctic grove]

But yeah man it’s just not generally good for balancing and teamplay incentives and roles. And specialists are just frowned upon since it proves there’s a disconnect between someone at EA and this community

[south urchin]

For one, there’s no best weapon, gadget, or specialist for every situation

[ancient junco]

All battlefields had that usually where either PDW or carbines

[south urchin]

Your loadout build is a result of what areas you want to be good in and what areas you can accept being bad in

[arctic grove]

Like clearly the specialists are for the moners. But it’s just not like this franchise, both the specialists themselves and open loadouts

You won’t see either of the two for a long time at least in this execution of them

[magic bloom]

I even dress like a BF4 support in 2042 (yes I know it’s not exact but it’s about as close as I can get)

[snow sandal]

There are weapons that are clearly better in MOST areas than the rest though.

[south urchin]

I think the specialist system was done poorly

[south urchin]

And such weapons should be nerfed more harshly than they have been

[ancient junco]

The plus system is another thing you can turn an assault rifle in to a dmr or and smg in the middle of the game I don't hate it but I don't love it either for balance

[arctic grove]

Plus system is very good

[south urchin]

But that’s not the fault of open loadouts

[arctic grove]

It’s dynamic so I don’t mind it at all

[magic bloom]

Plus system is fucking epic

[south urchin]

That’s just dice’s failure to balance guns properly

Like the scar

[ancient junco]

It's good but really unbalanced

[kindred flint]

plus system needs a "time to change" added for optics-barrel-underbarrel options

[south urchin]

And deciding which guns to limit to which class will be a nightmare

[ancient junco]

You can turn an AR to anything you want

[snow sandal]

Either way, that still supports my point then.

There are meta weapons. People will use them more, along with the other equipment that is currently op

[kindred flint]

its a bit crazy you can shoot someone and 1 seconds later they pop back out with almost a new gun and return fire

[ebon pilot]

ARs still have a sweetspot in medium to close range

you can't turn an AR into a sniper rifle no matter how hard you try

[snow sandal]

Yeah, should be like 5 seconds to attach

[ancient junco]

You can turn it in to an smg,lmg,dmr instantly without any repercussions

[arctic grove]

no cap?

[terse fossil]

scar is a dmr

[kindred flint]

well what ever the reload time for a mag change is feels "ok"

[ancient junco]

You can't but you can turn it in to a dmr

[kindred flint]

its not instant. but its not an eternity

[south urchin]

Is this better than prior battlefield’s alternatives of x class is the best class with the best guns overall so I pick meta loadout this way?

[lilac dust]

https://clips.twitch.tv/SpoopyDarkNewtTriHard-U_Vs2lp1WRC0671A you can't make this shit up

[magic bloom]

Nope

[ancient junco]

Look at the M5 that thing can go from smg to lmg to dmr to AR bruh

[snow sandal]

Just checking, are you saying Best class & Best weapon?

Or that the Best class exists because it has the Best weapons? If you get what I'm asking

[arctic grove]

and I'm pretty sure they don't wear a balcova mask

just a cap and sunglasses

[kindred flint]

dude no more..this is too cringe

[ebon pilot]

lmg
again what kind of lmgs are you using

[south urchin]

Both

[magic bloom]

I literally said I couldn’t get it exactly right

[south urchin]

BF3 and BF4 were dominated by assault

BF5 was dominated by medics

[arctic grove]

and 1?

[kindred flint]

literally says "no ammo" on screen...and ignores it

[radiant prism]

Assault usually

[south urchin]

1 I think had the closest semblance of “balance” between the classes

[arctic grove]

same goes to hardline?

[south urchin]

But I’d argue assault for shotguns

[lilac dust]

It's too monumental to watch history being made with these clips

[wise heath]

I feel both assault and medic

[ancient junco]

Holy fk hardline haven't seen that a long time

[radiant prism]

Except for the fact that the assault guns were the best in the game, and the best guns for the other classes were the ones that most closely resembled assault weapons

[magic bloom]

Hardline was epic af

[pine roost]

Bfv felt like the best supportive medic experience. In terms of the rewards you got for healing and helping people out

[south urchin]

Exactly

[wise heath]

Fucking fedrov

[south urchin]

It was ridiculous

They controlled heals

[arctic grove]

does anyone play that hostage mode in hardline

[south urchin]

Had the best guns for relevant ranges

Could heal themselves infinitely

[ancient junco]

You had carbine also that where pretty good in bf4

[south urchin]

Without cooldown

[ancient junco]

Like the mtar or acwr

[magic bloom]

The MTAR was epic

[ancient junco]

I loved the mtar

[south urchin]

Those were great, but still not as good as Ace 23 and such

[lilac dust]

MTAR in BF4 was my BABY

[south urchin]

That’s the issue I had for the most part

[ancient junco]

First gun to get 500kils

[south urchin]

But I liked BF4s open weapons systems more than 1 and 5

[magic bloom]

Although my one and true love in BF4 was the 249

[south urchin]

Same with 3

[snow sandal]

Assault was definitely picked more on BF4, because they gave them health and revives with ARs.

But if I wanted the ability to take out a tank, heli or jet (a very big deal) then I should have to forfeit something in return. You could so easily control the airspace on BF4 with stingers/iglas as a squad. (Yet you still got those who complained air vehicles were op)

[south urchin]

249 and AWS were monstrously broken

[ancient junco]

In cqc they could beat the ACE,M416,AEK,FAMAS

[magic bloom]

Exactly

[south urchin]

Not the AEK or famas

Not even close

[wise heath]

Fuck the aek

[magic bloom]

Could counter snipe snipers if you had a bipod and a magnifier since you had pretty much infinite try’s due to ammo

[ebon pilot]

i mean, people complain that air vehicles are op in 2042 even though literally anyone can carry anti-vehicle weapons

[south urchin]

This still exists in 2042

[ancient junco]

Just had a huge argument in another server because of that people think air vehicles are op

[south urchin]

It’s just not done by class

[wise heath]

People are always gonna complain about air vehicles being op

I feel like they’re the fairest in 2042

[south urchin]

You choose to lose ammo crate or whatever you choose to run as a gadget to get stingers

[ancient junco]

People don't get it it takes a lot of skill for it to be really op

[south urchin]

You choose to run blowtorch

And give up something else

[arctic grove]

They are very interesting in 2042

[south urchin]

And your main gun doesn’t really matter when you’re trying to be a tanker

[magic bloom]

Jokes on you I’ve blown up a transport heli with my trusty blowtorch

[ancient junco]

Yeah that's stupid having to decide between blowtorch and an Rpg

Never used the blowtorch in bf2042 besides portal

[south urchin]

Meanwhile lis

[ebon pilot]

i use it when i want to repair transport vehicles

and that's about it

[south urchin]

I wish Liz was a sraw and not a TV guided

[kindred flint]

this is how you out yourself as a mackay main to the class? 😳

[lilac dust]

@kindred flint Ready for more? https://clips.twitch.tv/HelpfulGrossCockroachJKanStyle-PmJQNGhXNa4ySkXs

[south urchin]

But that would be OP

[ebon pilot]

oh god

[snow sandal]

No it doesn't. You don't have to forfeit a better weapon

(My point about controlling airspace was to show how powerful certain equipment can be. Ignore my comment about the complaints)

[magic bloom]

I’m actually a Casper and angel main lmao

[kindred flint]

he got a kill.....the crazy son of a bitch

[ancient junco]

There was a guy that thought her atgms where lock on bruh

[magic bloom]

I simply jumped out of my condor and onto the poor hind

[snow sandal]

Anyone who says that are idiots. Just put on a launcher (with squad is even better) and you can literally deter any vehicle

[ancient junco]

Since when an atgm is a lock on bruh

They where cod tards

[magic bloom]

You guys remember the passive radar lock missiles on the AA vehicles in BF4

[ancient junco]

That think vehicles are op

[ancient junco]

That sht annoying

The passive and active radar

[inland oriole]

https://www.tiktok.com/@directos_en_twitch

[snow sandal]

Yeah.

The AA tank stood for Anti-Anything too.

[fierce gull]

is he actually enjoying

[magic bloom]

Fuckin A Right it did

[south urchin]

Lmao

[magic bloom]

LAV-AD was the best AA

[ancient junco]

Yup

I love how I was in a jet and the AA complained I focused it

[south urchin]

A better weapon in which context tho?

Say you’re a tanker right

If you’re a tanker

You’re more likely to run a CQC gun so that in the odd chance you need to hop out and kill someone quickly you can

[snow sandal]

A tanker? Nope

[ancient junco]

Yup

[south urchin]

What’s the best Cqc guns?

[magic bloom]

Tankers (that aren’t the railgun tanks since that has its own job) that actually push with the infantry are gigachads

[south urchin]

SMGs and shotguns

[ancient junco]

That's why pdw where the main thing on the engineer

[magic bloom]

MP9 is underrated

[south urchin]

The two guns that by class systems would be allowed to be run by an engineer

[frail sparrow]

throwing knife

[ancient junco]

Still have to find one in bf2042 they always seem to camp at back

[south urchin]

Based response

[magic bloom]

That is kind of it’s job though

[south urchin]

Are we going by using stingers and missiles?

[magic bloom]

Since it has no splash damage on its gun

[ancient junco]

The normal mbt ?

[kindred flint]

https://i.redd.it/u2oxfre2k47a1.png lmao how the fuck do you get over 700....

[magic bloom]

Nooo the Railgun tank

[south urchin]

In BF1 and BFV class systems the assault classes had the anti vehicle equipment

[snow sandal]

Well, ARs could consistently battle in short-mid range very easily. I think we can all agree they were the best, most versatile weapons in BF4.

If the Engineer class had access to that, I think it would've been broken. Barely anyone would use other weapons.

[kindred flint]

holy shit thats a lot of killing

[ancient junco]

I'm talking about the mbt yeah I get it the railgun tank

[south urchin]

And you can see that within BF4 itself

The most used guns of not assault classes were pseudo ARs

Or “carbines” as they were called

[wise heath]

Engineers running around with aeks? God I would die irl

[tough folio]

elden ring

[snow sandal]

And they were inferior for a good reason imo

[south urchin]

So they just abused MTAR and ACWR

[ancient junco]

That's the thing even tho Assault had the best weapons you would still see a bunch of supports engineers and sniper

Now I don't see sht

[south urchin]

But how does this promote diversity within the game?

[snow sandal]

ACWR was utterly terrible at range.

[south urchin]

I entirely disagree

[ancient junco]

If you can control its pretty good

[south urchin]

I found it worked acceptably

[snow sandal]

You probably play on PC then

[south urchin]

No

[snow sandal]

No way you could control thay thing at range

[south urchin]

I was on Xbox for BF4

[ancient junco]

It does kick like a horse

[snow sandal]

That's just straight up bs. ARs were FAR easier to control

Apart from aek, famas lol

[south urchin]

BF recoil is nothing compared to siege or other games

[ancient junco]

Nah mtar was ez af to control

[south urchin]

Harder doesn’t mean impossible

[magic bloom]

Me an Insurgency sandstorm player recoil is nothing to me

[snow sandal]

Single fire only

[south urchin]

But regardless

[ancient junco]

The M82 hipfire cqc gameplay

[south urchin]

If your main complaint was that in 2042 people only play meta guns

That’s always existed

[magic bloom]

Breaching and clearing with a 50

[south urchin]

Or just meta things in general

It just created a meta class

[ancient junco]

Every game has meta stop crying about it bruh

[ebon pilot]

that's why it's called meta

[south urchin]

Which was then used predominantly

[snow sandal]

Right, in BF4 would you agree ARs were the meta weapon type?

[magic bloom]

Lmgs we’re my meta

[ancient junco]

Nah the USAS 12 frag was the meta

[south urchin]

Honestly not entirely sure

Some LMGs were insane

[magic bloom]

M1014 frags

[ancient junco]

MG4 good af

Loved that thing

[wise heath]

Does bf2042 has the best weapon balancing?

[south urchin]

And ACWR and MTAR were both godly and accessible to every class

[south urchin]

No

[ancient junco]

Yup

[kindred flint]

i really enjoyed using a pump shotgun on lockers

[south urchin]

2042 has awful weapon balancing

[wise heath]

I don’t think it does

[ancient junco]

Some guns are pew shooters and other shoot 120mm rounds

[kindred flint]

people would get so pissy in chat over it, like really dude...im using a fucking pump shotgun and you are spray and praying with an AR

[snow sandal]

You seem to be contradicting yourself. You're saying people mainly play with Meta guns, which consequently created a Meta class (Assault in this case).

Yet you are now saying there were other great guns in other classes

[south urchin]

I honestly think 2042’s weapon balancing is why people complain about no locked weapons behind classes to begin with

[wise heath]

Only problem with it is that the default weapons are the strongest

[south urchin]

Assault was played for more than one reason

[ebon pilot]

What's wrong with that

[south urchin]

Assault had the ability to revive

The ability to heal

And some of the best guns

[wise heath]

It’s just plain annoying

[tough folio]

nerf g84 damage to helicopters

[south urchin]

Therefore assault dominated

[ancient junco]

The weapon you start the game is the best of the game lmao

[wise heath]

They should just be average at best

[south urchin]

It wasn’t just because assault has good guns that it dominated the game

[wise heath]

With all the people coming from gamepass

[south urchin]

It was that it had the best overall kit

[kindred flint]

just dodge

[wise heath]

It’s annoying seeing so many m5 and flocks

[ancient junco]

Learn how to fly bruh

[tough folio]

#streams-and-videos message

[south urchin]

If I didn’t communicate that well earlier I apologize

[magic bloom]

Simply do a backflip in a condor and dodge

[snow sandal]

Look, we're just not going to agree here. We clearly have different opinions we will stand by.

I get everything you've been saying, I just think differently.

[ebon pilot]

easy

[wise heath]

The scar and that one sniper

Other than that

[ancient junco]

The African sniper

[wise heath]

Nothing else is bullshit op

[ebon pilot]

BSV-M

[ancient junco]

1 hit kill bruh

[south urchin]

Totally fair