battlefield-2042

[lunar finch]

Oh ok i thought u meant leaderboard points

[solar tinsel]

nah

[severe oyster]

When is double xp coming to Friday night battlefield?

[tame cobalt]

that's a great point. when u look at it that way it definitely doesn't seem right that kills are 2 points and flags are only 3 points on leaderboard

[solar tinsel]

My point is: if you got 10 kills in the span of a minute, a player who decided to use that minute to cap a single flag likely would have swung more tickets in your teams favor.

Obviously you can't have caps without good combat either, but my point is still the same in general

[solar tinsel]

Im not even so much worried that thats their leaderboard score, but as far as importance for team succcess

I don't think it's even a question

[tame cobalt]

I'd still always be in the middle of the leaderboard either way

[arctic grove]

Update on 10th of 11th?

[lunar finch]

At least ur not bottom of the board

[solar tinsel]

yeah ha, I'm usually able to hang in the top 20 consistently thankfully, even on crappy rounds I can usually pull something together. I'm rarely #1 though just because Im no crackshot

[tame cobalt]

ye, but the leaderboard should more accurately reflect that. if they just make it count 4 points i think it would be in a better spot

[solar tinsel]

yeah, it would probably get complicated though. Like, I think caps at 3 or even 2 makes sense

if netrualizes are 4 or something

[tame cobalt]

[arctic grove]

Game is easier on past gen

[solar tinsel]

Hell maybe objective time is even a more accurate metric, but thats like, a weird metric to measure

Which just reminded me

[lunar finch]

I mean i play the obj i guess (go where all the bad guys are)

[solar tinsel]

theres no combat bonus for killing a player while capping, or killing a capping enemy right?

[solar tinsel]

For sure, not to say combat players aren't PTFOing

you need good combat to be able to advance

A lot of times people will complain "wtf are you doing go cap!?" but it's not like folks aren't trying, the other team is just better combat-wise

Winning your on-on-ones is a big factor

[tame cobalt]

Or they should do it that way and not show an "3x" to the players.. just show some score like the top player has 526 points in the flag category or whatever

idk

i guess i can see why they did it this way tho

[lunar finch]

Fr id rather have 31 good combat players than 31 "obj player" boris and irish mains that go negative

[solar tinsel]

Yeah like: 1pt for a capturing tick, 1pt for a defending tick, and higher points for caps/neutralizes (20/30) or something. But yeah thats too complicated and messy for a board

[tame cobalt]

[solar tinsel]

yeah I mean, if you rush into an objective and just die, you're not ever really capping haha

I've always said PTFO comes down to, is what you're doing directly contributing to your team's ability to play their role

For example snipers can PTFO. If you're able to snipe at and kill playrs who are trying to cap

thats huge

[eager spire]

which includes killing players

[solar tinsel]

If you're hanging back at base trying to go for 1000m snipes, thats not PTFOing

[lunar finch]

Sniper players tbh usually contribute the least to the team

[solar tinsel]

usually, but it all depends

[calm bison]

I mean

[solar tinsel]

A good counter sniper can make an attackers push in BT easier

[calm bison]

Stick a HOLO on an SWS

Boom CQB monster

[solar tinsel]

again it comes down to, are you doing your role with a purpose

does it assist teammates in other ways

[eager spire]

Sniping is a practice that is genuinely incompatible with multiplayer FPS games as a whole. It just is.

[worthy elbow]

I wish I got good points for clearing surrounding area of enemies coming to the obj that's being capped by team

[lunar finch]

Im not a good sniper... at all😭 ill stick to fragging

[solar tinsel]

I don't snipe often, but when I do I sometimes get a lower objective score because I flank to the peremiter of the objective while my teammates go in, and I try to give them cover and soften the targets at the objective

So sure my caps is lower, but I know I helped the team advance and cap

I'd rather do that than run in and die

[lunar finch]

It doesnt help the game wont let me map holding my breath because of my controls

300m snipes without holding breath is surprisingly hard

[rocky kraken]

why is there no range finding

[lunar finch]

Yeah as long as ur helping

[lunar finch]

This is 2042 we find the range in our heads. Skill issue

But if u wanna find range cant u just ping?

[worthy elbow]

I've seen people ping to find distance

[solar tinsel]

yeah thats probably the best way to do it - or fire a shot at a wall and gauge where it lands

[worthy elbow]

No zeroing is what sucks

[lunar finch]

I never understood zeroing tbh

Maybe its just my lack of sniper experience

[solar tinsel]

Like how it works? Or why it exists?

[lunar finch]

How it works

Like does it give you less bullet drop?

[solar tinsel]

It's an offset, so if you zero at 200m, a target 200m away would land on crosshair center

[lunar finch]

Ohhh ok

[solar tinsel]

if you were zeroed at 200m, and a target was 50m away, you'd need to aim UNDER them to hit where you want to aim

[eager spire]

To be honest, though, zeroing is only worth doing if you're shooting at people standing still, or you're shooting at an exact specific range, no more or less.

[solar tinsel]

yeah, once you land a shot and get a sense for where they're landing, you can usually mentally retain that aim point

[worthy elbow]

Long range engagement in bf4 was enjoyable because of the zeroing feature

Miss those days

[solar tinsel]

oddly enough I found myself doing ***better ***with the GOL's 12x scope which has NO mil dots or demarcations on it

[eager spire]

long range engagement in BF4 was boring as shit and never contributed to anything beyond Youtube clips.

[worthy elbow]

I'll have to take try it

[solar tinsel]

Gol is just fun to use cause the sound is awesome

BC2 and BF3's sound design were incredible

[worthy elbow]

I'm enjoying it so far along with the p90

[eager spire]

I never liked the GOL Magnum in BF4

[worthy elbow]

Sometimes I feel like I'm shooting BBs with the p90 tho

[eager spire]

there was always an odd delay after shooting before it would do the bolt animation

the M40 seemed like a better sniper rifle.

[worthy elbow]

I actually enjoyed the jng90

But I forget which sniper I used the most

[open tangle]

Fnb?

[solar tinsel]

P90 is good too yeah

I actually started to even get the hang of the M16 too, a little bit

[worthy elbow]

I threw the m16 away almost immediately

[deep summit]

Update?

[spare quest]

update

[worthy elbow]

I want assist counts as kill back

[solar tinsel]

it kicks around like mule, you pretty much always need to tap fire

and even then, still is wild

[eager spire]

to be fair, the recoil the M16 has seems to be visual, mostly.

[solar tinsel]

True

[worthy elbow]

Did not have a problem recoil wise, but the ttk on the other hand

[chilly jacinth]

try the m60

[tame cobalt]

Fard

[chilly jacinth]

its straight up poo

[tame cobalt]

Poopy doodoo

i kinda wish the pkp nerf wasn't so harsh

yeah it was op but it had a cool feel to it

now it's trashwater

[chilly jacinth]

nah now its strictly a cqc gun

[tame cobalt]

[regal sphinx]

Why did they change the Portal Servers?
No MP Rush anymore! 😲

[chilly jacinth]

which its very good at

[tame cobalt]

is it tho

[chilly jacinth]

yes

[tame cobalt]

[spare quest]

they do it every week lol

[chilly jacinth]

ive gotten multiple 12man multis with it

just holding the fire button down

[tame cobalt]

but can u run n gun with it

[chilly jacinth]

very funny

ye

[tame cobalt]

[solar tinsel]

yeah thats definitely the worst of the vault weps ha

[regal sphinx]

Yeah, but on Tuesdays! 😔

[chilly jacinth]

skill issue

[tame cobalt]

well i guess I'll try pkp with cqc focus

[chilly jacinth]

just pre aim everything

[tame cobalt]

Boring

[chilly jacinth]

so the trigger delay doesn't screw you over

[solar tinsel]

oh yeah PKP is insanely good

but definitely better at CQB, it can hang in mid with a bipod too

[arctic grove]

Bf2042 sucked so badly on launch

[solar tinsel]

facts

[tame cobalt]

Definitely a

Skill

Issue

[arctic grove]

Mw2 topped it by a mile even in beta

[tame cobalt]

[chilly jacinth]

hell nah

that shit is the worst cod to date

[arctic grove]

How

[worthy elbow]

Mw2 felt like dog shit

[tame cobalt]

mw2 icarus lmg is goddamn beast

[worthy elbow]

Movement was gross asf

[chilly jacinth]

the list is too long

[arctic grove]

Movement was just like every cod game bro 💀 wdym "movement was gross asf"

It's in beta too, not much to expect

[chilly jacinth]

its slower than cod 2

[arctic grove]

It popped off tho

[worthy elbow]

A vegetable has a better movement system

[eager spire]

Movement in MW22 was just like every CoD game
do you get off on lying

[arctic grove]

I saw no difference bro

How was it different?

[solar tinsel]

was there this thing in MW2 that if you like slide and jumped you went flying forward or something? I only watched a bit of it

[worthy elbow]

Mw19 movement felt better

[chilly jacinth]

nope

[arctic grove]

There wasn't slide, they instead added dolphin dive back in

[worthy elbow]

Compared to bf2042 movement, it's ass

[eager spire]

No, you're probably thinking of the dolphin dive

[tame cobalt]

It seems to me like they are trying to make the 3 new series distinct... MW with the boring pre-aim playstyle, black ops with the more traditional cod style, and advanced warfare with the... y'know, jetpacks

[chilly jacinth]

they completely neutered everything that made you move faster

[solar tinsel]

ah

[eager spire]

slide was in the MW22 beta, it was just entirely gutted so nobody ever used it

[arctic grove]

I'm on console so idfk

Did pc have dolphin dive and slide?

[eager spire]

yeah of course you don't

[worthy elbow]

It had both

[solar tinsel]

I just remember seeing like what seemed to be a huge speed boost forward in mid air AND while ADS

[eager spire]

why would those two things be exclusive to PC?

[arctic grove]

More buttons to press

[eager spire]

The game is crossplay.

[arctic grove]

Right 💀💀💀

How tf did you slide in mw2

[eager spire]

I don't fucking know, i don't play on console.

[worthy elbow]

You didn't hold in the button

Holding in the button you dolphined

[chilly jacinth]

held crouch while running

or pressed

[tame cobalt]

get back buttons bro

[arctic grove]

That caused a dolphin dive

[chilly jacinth]

you could change it

[arctic grove]

I don't play competitively or anything I don't need it

[tame cobalt]

FPS are semi unplayable without back buttons

[arctic grove]

I play simply for fun

[tame cobalt]

bro

it's not for competitive lmao

[arctic grove]

Ground war and invasion was awesome imo

[tame cobalt]

having back buttons is literally more fun

[arctic grove]

I know but I don't really care that much to buy back buttons

[solar tinsel]

I would just see clips of everyone jumping around (like the 15 sec around here)
https://youtu.be/ej4HW3vbaUQ?t=246

Maybe I just don't understand CoD anymore though

[arctic grove]

Cant wait for release to play it again

[tame cobalt]

yeah was pretty good, but i didn't like the Sa'id map

[eager spire]

that's just tac sprinting and jumping my guy

[worthy elbow]

Bunny hopping was huge

[violet meteor]

[solar tinsel]

do people enjoy playing the game like that ha? cause that movement seemed to be everywhere

[worthy elbow]

After the beta it kind of transferred into my 2042 gameplay

[tame cobalt]

And the Sarrif Bay map needs way more transport vehicle placed around the map

[eager spire]

Yes.

[tame cobalt]

Like wayy more

[arctic grove]

Sa'id map was nice in my opinion, just a problem with snipers. I liked to sit in a helicopter and drop people off at the sites while fighting people on the ground, then the helicopter would get too damaged and autopilot would come off and I'd be jumping out of a crashing helicopter mid air, narrowly escaping the explosion

[tame cobalt]

[arctic grove]

Ground war really felt like a movie, especially on new gen consoles and pc

[chilly jacinth]

gw maps were all doodoo

[arctic grove]

Ok

[tame cobalt]

Now u cappin

[chilly jacinth]

50 buildings with 50 doors and windows each

[arctic grove]

Fr

[copper fulcrum]

Yes

[tame cobalt]

Sarrif bay would be an absolutely FIRE battlefield map

[eager spire]

The ground war maps had a major problem with too much verticality. All of the rooftops were accessible and frankly, that's a massive problem for readability.

[chilly jacinth]

completely wrecked any flow to the maps

[arctic grove]

You talking strictly about said rn bro

Imagine getting off lying

[chilly jacinth]

it has the same problem

[arctic grove]

I know man

[tame cobalt]

Ok i can agree about the buildings having too many accessible areas

[chilly jacinth]

as all the gw maps

[dapper river]

another reason why warzone sux

[arctic grove]

Yeah, snipers were really annoying but you get used to it, and once you spot them it's easy to avoid/kill them because of the obvious glare they make

[tame cobalt]

and that's the problem stemming from using shitty BR design philosophies with the buildings

[arctic grove]

Even better if you have high alert

[chilly jacinth]

its unfortunate that they didnt tailor the maps to normal mp

[eager spire]

not just snipers, just random people camping rooftops and shooting down from them, or trying to climb a building and getting shot from a different rooftop behind you.

[arctic grove]

You'll need fast reflexes though

[arctic grove]

Oh that's annoying too

[tame cobalt]

Flood zone / pearl market moment

[arctic grove]

They'll probably do something about that before launch

[solar tinsel]

so: in MW2 you can ADS in mid-jump, and in 2042 you can't right?

[eager spire]

Yeah..

[chilly jacinth]

not happening

their focus is wz2

[tame cobalt]

With mw2 u need access to jump button on ur controller

In 2042 u need slide

[arctic grove]

That's good

[eager spire]

Fuck Warzone.

[arctic grove]

Warzone one was ass tho

Cant wait to see what they do to fix it later with the new one

[eager spire]

Warzone 1 was closer to being a decent game than Warzone 2 seems to be from what i saw of it

[arctic grove]

Gameplay was just not good

[chilly jacinth]

yeah they're going hard on pve shit

[arctic grove]

It's hard to explain but it just wasn't good

[chilly jacinth]

which i dont think many really care for in wz

[arctic grove]

A lot of hype for the new one is building up

[tame cobalt]

Sarrif bay map's central area with lots of buildings is fun as fuck in invasion though. And aside from the buildings issue and the current lack of transport vehicles around the map, the GW version of it is a really solid Battlefield map

[eager spire]

Like, Warzone 2 seems to be Warzone but they're taking every measure possible to slow shit down, making it so you have to access a separate inventory screen to pick stuff up from chests rather than just picking stuff up off the ground, the changes to movement and gunplay overall

[tame cobalt]

Invasion on sarrif bay was peak of the mw2 beta for me

Really fantastic in that central urban area

And i didn't get to play on the santa sena map

[arctic grove]

I just enjoyed getting in the big tactical van (forgot name) and just running people over in said

I mostly just enjoyed the vehicles in said

[tame cobalt]

just hope they place more transports (quads and buggies) around sarrif bay

and that some of the other GW maps are also that good

[arctic grove]

Yeah

[tame cobalt]

how was Santa Seña

[arctic grove]

Is that a map?

I never heard of it

[tiny python]

Good barrel for scar? Using high power drum

[arctic grove]

Probably played it just don't know the name

[coral flume]

Doez FNB still exicst with devs ...?

[tame cobalt]

yeah it was a third map in gw/invasion, not many people got a chance to play it cuz they removed it after a bug was found

it has a highway with abandoned cars down the middle

it's a gw map that isn't from the wz2 map

[arctic grove]

There was a glitch where if you spawn a load out drop on water it would fly into the air at Mach 3

[tame cobalt]

[shell ermine]

Santa Sena was fantastic

I got to play a few rounds on it

[tame cobalt]

Hype

[shell ermine]

Awesome that it wasn't just cut up Warzone 2 map either

[arctic grove]

I got early access to the beta because of xfinity

[tame cobalt]

I'm keen for more invasion, these dense map areas seen in the GW maps are great for it

[shell ermine]

I'm hoping we get at least two more GW maps at launch, hopefully both made for GW like Santa Sena

[tame cobalt]

lots of cool wz2 POIs to make potentially good gw maps from

like that huge castle POI

sheeeesh

fort de vaux 2.0

[shell ermine]

I saved my gameplay from Santa Sena.
https://youtu.be/BesFweIpcTs

[tame cobalt]

Gonna be a fun month jamming mw2 while waiting for s3

Just still need to figure out what to do this month

[shell ermine]

Its funny, the Scar was the best gun in the beta and imo its the best gun in 2042

[tame cobalt]

icarus lmg >

Skip to 40s https://youtu.be/e6hTlvPujcM

[shell ermine]

Also we need the drill charge in 2042. Would make the lack of destruction on most of the maps less of an issue

[tame cobalt]

And the sound design on the icarus

God DAAAAAAAAMN

[tame cobalt]

mw2 sound design feels like it takes a quality hit the further things are away and the more sounds it has to process at once

So in gw the soun quality feels dogshit

[dapper river]

noooo think about the heckin boris players who run on the ground and don't use any of the map vehicles or call in vehicles then complain about the maps being too big

[tame cobalt]

but in 6v6 the sound design is incredible in many aspects

but quality still kinda feels like it's going through some shitty quality degrading filter

[eager spire]

they still need to turn down the fucking footstep audio

[empty vortex]

you already completed season 2?!

[tame cobalt]

Robo horses

So quadbikes

[shell ermine]

The slow aim movement speed compared to MacKay makes it a chore to use any other specialist imo

[dapper river]

yes, if only they could make some sort of... mechanized horse, that you wouldn't have to feed or take out for walks and stuff...

[tame cobalt]

I actually dig that idea but they wouldn't do it sadly

[sharp marten]

It’s literally the same

[tame cobalt]

They got 0 creativity in how they handle the technology of the near future

just "uhh the boston dynamics dog is in battle now"

[dapper river]

wildly impractical to ride unless you're injured
plus it looks more like a cow

[tame cobalt]

Lmfao

[empty vortex]

the should add a robo specialist

[onyx vault]

Send this person to prison.

[tame cobalt]

I mean lots of improvements to be made in 20 years...

So sundance

[arctic grove]

DICE should add the warthog in 2042 tbh

[onyx vault]

if they gave the recon the RAM physics, it is halfway to warthog

[arctic grove]

Facts

[empty vortex]

and mechs

[tame cobalt]

Sundance look so good they got redditors feeling confused

[eager spire]

would be funny if i could pay the VA for Sundance to say "cope and seethe"

[tame cobalt]

I mean have u seen that dumpy

[dapper river]

yeah but her hairline when she braids her hair tho 💀

[tame cobalt]

idk i put the goggles up on the hairline, looks sick

[uncut bay]

dice when zero people complain about a feature and they decide to remake it anyway

[eager spire]

Redditors when a character can move decently fast

[tame cobalt]

When i saw that sundance booty i knew i was theysexual

[dapper river]

"NO, I REFUSE to play as that stinky Rao to deny enemy stealth helicopters an attack run, I will NOT use the wildcat AA to shred stealth helicopters, DICE should stop being lazy and NERF THEM ALREADY!!! "

[fiery shoal]

redditors when anything happens

[solar tinsel]

Redditors when <anything>

yup ha

[tame cobalt]

Sundance looking kinda unflattering in the new event skin tho, tf are they wearing a plastic bag for pants

[onyx vault]

This discord is not much different in that regard. Just depends on time of day.

[solar tinsel]

thats true too

[eager spire]

redditors when good players post clips

[solar tinsel]

honestly, the internet in general

[dapper river]

down horrendous 💀

https://tenor.com/view/reddit-chungus-dank-normie-cringe-gif-16961840

[pine roost]

reddit and twitter

[solar tinsel]

ok, I think the bit is over now

👍

[eager spire]

I'm reminded of the twitter comments in that clip that was posted by the BF Twitter of some guy quickscoping a bunch of people

[tame cobalt]

Redditors when the bit is over now

[pine roost]

yeah I was surprised by just how many people were complaining in the comments

[onyx vault]

Oh god, I read those too.

[eager spire]

Hold on lemme find the post and i'll read some of the comments

[pine roost]

no in fact, they were simply saying 'this isn't battlefield!' and saying 'bf is just cod now', when gameplay like this has practically always existed

nooooo, I want to keep my sanity ;(

[tame cobalt]

One thing is for sure, i want the grapple and wingsuit to return in some form in the next game.

[eager spire]

no

[onyx vault]

Everyone decides their own identity for the Battlefield series, and half of the arguments come down to "No True Scotsman".

[shell ermine]

Console-PC crossplay as the default is incredibly stupid. Other EA studios figured out a perfect solution to this issue, but alas.

[pine roost]

there are vast differences in terms of movement and gunplay, but in none of them is quickscoping or getting streaks seen as 'anti-battlefield'

[eager spire]

Found the post

[pine roost]

but the reality is that it is physically impossible to please the entire playerbase, there will be some who want one kind of gameplay and others who want a different style of gameplay, so there will always be a point of contention

[shell ermine]

If BF4 had an fov slider, ran at higher than 900p, and still had official DICE servers up I'd still play that.

Can't deal with the 60fov

[solar tinsel]

Yeah, to Battlefield's credit though, it has always stayed in the same relative space, more or less, in my opinion - when you consider the era of the gaming landscape

It's been consistent in that "not a milsim, but not an arena shooter"

with large battles + vehicles

[pine roost]

for starters you've got screen centre aiming, spread to recoil, a slide with less rotation, no traversal sprint to name a few things

[tame cobalt]

"they copied cod" mfs when i take them back in time to when their favourite BF copied cod:

[shell ermine]

Current director of the Battlefield franchise straight up said DICE strayed to far from what Battlefield is supposed to be with 2042.

[tame cobalt]

[eager spire]

"It's interesting that official page sharing cheating content"
"Hit Markers when not aiming at the person, i've screenshotted it here. Might be worth NOT resharing cheaters? He's using Aimbot+silent Aim"
"wow, so much skill get them all from behind"
"and this is exactly why you've lost your core community"
"this is why PC should be seperated from console"
"Sharing cheaters now? Good job! Notice he wasn't even aiming at people at first and still getting hit registers too?"
"This sniper does not kill with one shot"

[vocal adder]

That's why you move to PC haha

[pine roost]

bfv added this stupid thing where the crosshair will shake, and it fires at the crosshair instead of screen centre

[tacit sphinx]

i like when people dont know game mechanics

[solar tinsel]

yeah in some aspects it did - but I think that's the result of them trying to make too many changes AT ONCE

[tame cobalt]

BF is simcade sandbox warfare... simply put

[pine roost]

yeah, it was honestly a relief to see it reverted to that system

[tacit sphinx]

i meant with the comments thing

[shell ermine]

They never should have removed classes for one, that was a rookie mistake

[solar tinsel]

Like Specialists are ***fine ***if executed well if they were kept more within the class system. It wasn't going to be the reason why the game failed alone.

But they also changed the maps and lacked variety

and they also messed with the vehicle ecosystem, etc.

[tacit sphinx]

specifically the last one about the sws not being OHK when it very much does have a 20m OHK range lol

[tame cobalt]

And that's the core of BF, and that core is very much present in 2042 and i love it

[shell ermine]

I still can't believe that we have 128 players but only two armor per team.

[eager spire]

Specialists don't really work well with the whole "arcadey sandbox" gameplay.

Games with specialist characters that work are very much not sandboxes.

[shell ermine]

We had 4-6 tanks per team in most of the post-launch BFV maps

[pine roost]

the worst part about specialists for me were their personalities, and the fact that they took away a fundamental gameplay system for the purpose of making £

[vocal adder]

Did you just reply to yourself haha

[solar tinsel]

I think what theyre doing with the rework in late S3 is where it will be best executed

[eager spire]

I think what they're doing with the rework is a bandaid.

[solar tinsel]

because the class divisions, whle technically there, meaning nothing really

[solar tinsel]

If it's how specialists launched, I think it would have been more accepted

[tame cobalt]

Yes, pretty normal to expand on a previous thought

[tame cobalt]

I agree

[solar tinsel]

Right now you can do any team role with any specialist

[shell ermine]

And imo they are still going to half ass the classes in season 3 by not locking weapons to classes

[eager spire]

There's not enough weapons in the game to justify doing that.

[solar tinsel]

To be honest, I care less about that and dont mind the weapon freedom. Weapon choice does not define teamplay role as much as gadgets do

and.... THAT

not enough wepaons

[vocal adder]

There is actually

[tame cobalt]

weapons shouldn't be class restricted anyway man. except for removing snipers from support

[pine roost]

the specialist gadgets themselves are one thing that made them an annoying system. I mean an automated turret? Wallhacks? I hate those

[solar tinsel]

A medic who is locked to healing/resupply/revives but uses an LMG vs an AR vs an SMG is still a support player

[shell ermine]

The time it's taken them to add Portal guns to AoW is absurd, especially since they don't even work right and don't have 2042 attachments

I swear one intern must be doing it themselves

[solar tinsel]

A medic who can have a rocket launcher is a support AND an engineer, and that was the problem IMO

[eager spire]

And don't even have T1 skins

[solar tinsel]

you could have too many "jack of all trades"

[pine roost]

which is why the class system re-instroduction will still leave them feeling out of place in my eyes

but it's worth waiting to see

[solar tinsel]

I don't mind th gadgets themselves. BF has always had cool gadgets

[tame cobalt]

Yeah, but when u get to sniper an actual problem arises. A support with a sniper isn't a support anymore, they're just a useless camper sniper with more camping gear

[pine roost]

but wallhacks, that's too far

[shell ermine]

I'll be honest I did not like the all class weapons in BF3 and BF4. I'm glad they removed them for BFV

[solar tinsel]

perhaps

[eager spire]

eh Battlefield never had gadgets that approached what the specialists have in 2042

[solar tinsel]

but I will also say this

there is no "Sniper" class and hasn't been since BF2

[shell ermine]

BF2 had an expansion pack with a grappling gun that would leave behind a rope that teammates could climb

[solar tinsel]

So if someone wants to snipe but be the person who resupplies themselves and other snipers with them, they are still closer to support than Recon IMO

[solar tinsel]

yup, and the zipline!

[tame cobalt]

yeah it would be shitty to force one class to purely use snipers

but removing it from one class can be justified

[solar tinsel]

perhaps, but like I said, there is no sniper class 🙂

so I dont mind the weapon freedom

classes to me more signify teamplay role

and thats where gadgets are huge

[shell ermine]

Outside of maybe Angel, the old lady and Irish none of the specialist gadgets really have a teamwork focus

[solar tinsel]

and why they should be locked

[pine roost]

having locked weapons with this existing weapon pool would just be cruel

[solar tinsel]

Nah I don't see it like that. Sundance performs their team role of being a striker/blitz player

[shell ermine]

2042 is anti-teamwork. It rewards lone wolfing unlike any Battlefield before it

[tame cobalt]

well i hate losing certain specialist/gadget combos but that's the whole point of this thing, to restrict things in order to create proper class roles, and restricting sniper away from support class is part of that

[solar tinsel]

100%

[pine roost]

locked weapons does create an interesting team dynamic in terms of where classes are positioned on the frontline, which in turn ensures a constant loop that involves all those classes

[tame cobalt]

[solar tinsel]

I hope it gives vehicles more life too. Tanks especially have been hurt incredibly due to any soldier being a threat

anyone can have M5s or AAs or C5

[shell ermine]

Plus now thanks to Lis you can't even hide behind cover to repair

[tame cobalt]

vehicles won't benefit from this

unless c5 is nerfed

[eager spire]

yeah, thanks Lis.

[shell ermine]

2042 has the worst vehicle play of any Battlefield game

[eager spire]

Seriously, giving her TV missiles was a mistake

[shell ermine]

It should take 5 C5 to kill a tank, 4 to kill a Wildcat

[solar tinsel]

I do think too many classes have C5 in the proposed system

[shell ermine]

Should spawn with a max of 3

[solar tinsel]

don't like 3 classes still have C5?

[tame cobalt]

yes tbh

[shell ermine]

Did they release an overview of their proposed class layout?

[solar tinsel]

yeah somewhere lemme find it

[shell ermine]

The tank main cannon and the Wildcat 40mm and 57mm should do more damage to infantry.

[solar tinsel]

https://www.ea.com/games/battlefield/battlefield-2042/community/battlefield-core-feedback-specialists

[tame cobalt]

i know, i explained what my thoughts on that are

[shell ermine]

The 57mm should have the same more splash damage, right now I think it's 3-4 splash shots to kill, you need a direct hit to kill

[solar tinsel]

yeah so Assault + Recon get C5... so Assault, Engineer, and Recon all can still have viable vehicle destruction

[tame cobalt]

Y

[solar tinsel]

I think Recon should not have C5 access IMO

Because if any player can handle every scenario, it encourages a "best in slot" mentality

[tame cobalt]

Ur a support sniper? Oof bruh, i guess this is why class rework was asked for, so that can't happen

[solar tinsel]

Rock Paper Scissors doesnt work if you can throw both Rock and Paper at the same time

[tame cobalt]

Then u have nothing to worry about man

[solar tinsel]

Weapons wont be a problem for you though, you can still use what you want weapon wise

so you can choose your engagement distance

[tame cobalt]

They won't restrict weapons, except potentially to fix problem area. Assault with smg is perfectly fine

[shell ermine]

BFV support and Assault could have anti-tank mines and the lunge mine, but only the Assault could have dynamite

I don't believe the Recon had any anti-vehicle ability at all

Which is how it should be imo

[solar tinsel]

yeah which is why I'd prefer they dont have C5. Still subject to change hopefully

[shell ermine]

Medics and recons should not be able to challenge tanks

[solar tinsel]

This is the most recent list (again, may change)

Assault - Smoke Grenade Launcher, C5 Explosives, IBA Armor Plate
Support - Ammo Crate, Smoke Grenade Launcher, Medical Crate, M18 Claymore
Engineer - Anti-Tank Mine, Recoilless M5, FXM-33 AA Missile, FGM-148 Javelin, EOD Bot
Recon - T-UGS, Prox Sensor, SOFLAM, C5 Explosives, Tracer Dart Gun

[tame cobalt]

the only ones that should be worried are snipers who wanna use support class

[pine roost]

I found out through some testing the other day that it does the same amount of damage as a side on shot with the gustav, regardless of angle unless it is down towards the turret, where it pulls of a glitch shot and does a little more

[solar tinsel]

In addition to Recon losing C5, I think Support should give Claymores to Recon

[shell ermine]

Oh that's going to be fun, snipers with infinite ammo and infinite claymores

[eager spire]

honestly fuck claymores, why even add those to the game

[shell ermine]

This is why weapons need class locked

[tame cobalt]

and move irish deployable cover to support

[solar tinsel]

ha let anyone use it you mean?

[pine roost]

we know why

[solar tinsel]

and make only the APS Irish specific?

[tame cobalt]

any support yes

ye

[solar tinsel]

Its not a bad idea actually

[eager spire]

yeah i know why, doesn't mean i can't hate it.

[shell ermine]

They need to up the aim movement speed for everyone to be close to MacKay's and find a new passive bonus for MacKay

[pine roost]

oh I hate it too

[solar tinsel]

I don't think that's necessary ha

[shell ermine]

Its so fucking slow

[pine roost]

lightened stock moment

[shell ermine]

Even BFV has a faster aim movement speed on average

[solar tinsel]

ADS is meant to be a risk/reward though. You expose yourself, but also tighten your accuracy

isnt it weapon dependent too?

[shell ermine]

Its one reason why I find the gunplay in 2042 to be lackluster, even after the latest patch

[solar tinsel]

LMGs are slower ADS move speed I think

[shell ermine]

Everyone except MacKay is slower than BFV

BFV has the best gunplay in the series

[pine roost]

since I prefer tracking scenarios i'd personally like to see a faster strafe speed across the board

[eager spire]

ADS shouldn't be a risk-reward thing, not when it's the only reasonable method of engaging enemies.

[solar tinsel]

right but thats where I think Battlefield stays away from being an arena shooter, where it's constant ADS + movement

It forces a choice of when and where you pause for a moment

so if you do it in the middle of a field you're probably dead

[eager spire]

Honestly why not make it more of an arena shooter. It's already very arcadey.

[shell ermine]

My problem is it's slower than BFV. This is one thing that should be consistent between games

[solar tinsel]

I'm sure we've had this convo before and I'll just say my same answer of, it's not what BF has traditionally done, and a lot a long-term fans would probably not enjoy it as much

[pine roost]

i haven't used hipfire at all in all the time i've played, ads is just consistent and that's what I need

[solar tinsel]

when Zampella talks about what straying away from what BF is, moving it to arena shooter would be... a significant departure

even if it is a bit arcadey, which is true and really always has been

[eager spire]

To be fair, what Battlefield has traditionally done is not always the best idea.

[shell ermine]

A real arcade shooter has no penalty for hipfire, like the original Star Wars Battlefront games and the 2015 Battlefront.

Iirc Battlefield 1943 didn't have a hipfire penalty either

[solar tinsel]

No not always, but if the game changes too much it's not always good for the identity. It's never going to be able to hang with a direct competition to CoD

[pine roost]

is it not just considered an arena shooter, but on a big map

[solar tinsel]

so BF kind of needs to carve its own space

[eager spire]

it could, especially with the direction MW22 is taking.

where it's trying to be a more tactical shooter.

[solar tinsel]

it is funny how MW2 seems to be moving in BFs direction

again, I wonder if they see it as a market they could tap into

[eager spire]

it's funny but it's also terrible

[shell ermine]

There aren't any good popular tactical shooters on the market

R6S is trash

MW2 being more tactical is welcomed imo

[tame cobalt]

idk what yall are tolkin bout

[shell ermine]

But what we really need is for Sony to revive SOCOM.

[solar tinsel]

I'd probably enjoy it more, but idk if I could bring myself to playing CoD again after not having played it for so long 😆

[eager spire]

I think it's dogshit, scrapping what potential MW19 had in an attempt to cater to the realism focused "tactical" crowd.

[solar tinsel]

ok so this is a perfect example though

[tame cobalt]

they want their cod subseries to be distinct and mw is choosing to be tactical one

[solar tinsel]

you're a CoD fan generally, but are upset that it's changing so much right? @eager spire

[shell ermine]

Its funny, Battlefield 1942, Call of Duty 1, and SOCOM 1 all launched the same year

[eager spire]

I haven't been a CoD fan since Black Ops 3, really.

[solar tinsel]

Right ok.. so THAT FEELING you have

is exactly why Battlefield shouldn't steer away so much from its space

because longterm BF fans will feel the same way you do

[shell ermine]

By 2005 both COD and SOCOM had added large objective based modes with vehicles

[pine roost]

i'm just confused why they'd change the game's design so drastically, cod from an outside perspective has always been about fast paced gameplay

[shell ermine]

So devs were copying Battlefield first

[tame cobalt]

Imagine advanced warfare 2 has ground war or breakthrough mode

[solar tinsel]

Battlefield has always had immense potential as a franchise and the space it carved out, it just never quite got the same popularity as CoD

[tame cobalt]

Advanced warfare 2 ground war would be interesting AF

[solar tinsel]

Again, this might be Microsoft/Activision trying to capitalize on that BF crowd

or maybe as devs that type of game excites them more

[shell ermine]

Activision cared more about COD than EA did Battlefield

[solar tinsel]

I think so too

they gave it substantially better marketing, etc.

[shell ermine]

They gave them the resources to do yearly releases since the start

[tame cobalt]

[solar tinsel]

and CoD also hit the console market earlier if I recall

[tame cobalt]

2042 marketing was on point tho

[shell ermine]

Battlefield didn't come to console until Battlefield 2 Modern Combat in 2005 but it wasn't that popular

COD came to console in 2004 with COD1 Finest Hour

COD2 launched on 360 alongside PC and was insanely popular

[solar tinsel]

ah so closer than I thought then

but yeah CoD had always had the console market more

[shell ermine]

Battlefield didn't really achieve popularity on console until 2010 with Bad Company 2

[solar tinsel]

yup

I'd say BF3 was also when it truly took off and went "mainstream"

with consoles

[shell ermine]

6th gen console multiplayer was a different ball of wax, it was essentially PC multiplayer. Server browsers, PC hosted and rental servers, etc

I'm super pissed we've regressed on that front, again

I'll never forgive DICE for not having an RSP for BFV and outright removing the server browser for 2042

I remember buying a year of a Star Wars Battlefront II server for $60 from Art of War Central for the PS2 version of the game.

[solar tinsel]

I'll be honest, I'm probably in the minority but I don't mind no server browser for the core BF experience.

I recall going back to the BF2 days and spending so much friggen time trying to find a good STOCK server experience, without mod abuse (ideally a DICE official server), and all of the maps, stock settings, etc.

I do hate how the 2042 matchmaking will match you into insanely dumb matches though, like <50 tickets remaining

But in general I wasted more time trying to find a good stock experience without mod abuse in the browser in those older games than I do now

plus it helps cut down on team stacking and all that

If the match is nearly over, I don't care if new players aren't filling in and it whittles down to bots, the match is almost over anyway - just get those players in a new fresh match

[shell ermine]

The solution would be to have plenty of stock DICE servers and make it so only stock rule servers can be matchmade into

[solar tinsel]

I suppose BF3/BF4 (and others) did that too huh

if supported with a good team balance between rounds, I'd be fine with that

I just in general don't see as big of a need for a browser when dealing with stock experiences though. For custom experiences, totally - it's needed.

maybe the crux of the issue though truly, is that custom experiences get relegated to Portal only and often don't have the same degree of progression

[shell ermine]

The problem is no server browser and no rental servers puts the games at the mercy of EA/DICE to die when they want them to die.

[pine roost]

I just want the ability to select the map and gamemode, as well as actually have a community feeling

[shell ermine]

It also destroys the community aspect of the game

Communities would develop around servers, encouraging games to be played for longer than execs want.

[violet meteor]

[mossy badge]

[sharp marten]

[arctic grove]

[vast cloak]

👀

[tiny python]

Any way to unlock weapon attachments faster? Any game mode recommendations?
Usually AVG 40+ kills per game, but sometimes as I'm using new weapons I can't do as well with out the extended mag.

[spare quest]

hardcore tdm servers with full progression

[tiny python]

Hardcore like in cod?

1-2 shot kill?

Hmm can you get lots of kills from coop?

[viscid hill]

game plays rly good after recent updates imho

[tiny python]

Think some gun balancing definitely due tho

Like avancys etc ...

[errant scarab]

why this game is so easyyyy

always 1 place

[sharp marten]

It’s against AI

[tiny python]

I know, I've never played any coop

Is it a full team of AI (64)?

[sharp marten]

Yes

[tiny python]

Hmm I may try it tomorrow, probably be boring tho

[violet meteor]

[tiny python]

Speaking of weapon skins, low-key tempted to buy one either the scar or AK

[sharp marten]

I want you

To give me BOINS

[worthy elbow]

Run into a million of them every game

[tiny python]

Yeah I know and k30 aswell

[worthy elbow]

Yuppp, love being killed half way across the map by someone using the k30

[sharp marten]

K30 ontop none stop

[arctic grove]

m16 need weapon skin

[rocky kraken]

is it even possible for the next battlefield to be any good

[worthy elbow]

All vault weapons need skins

[shell ermine]

Most of the talent is gone, but it has a new director .

So maybe?

[errant scarab]

people are camping house in battlefield

[arctic grove]

Yes

[worthy elbow]

I want the t1 on my p90

[arctic grove]

i want all black skins so gun can look gun metal black instead of wierd gray color

lIke that k30 skin

[worthy elbow]

Thatd be cool

[arctic grove]

were getting all white skins in liquidator event though

[worthy elbow]

Makes me want to have a pure white gun

[arctic grove]

lol

[worthy elbow]

Lit

[arctic grove]

do u like sig spurs or ar15s?

u got some time to talk bout ar15s?

saurs

[worthy elbow]

Is this like, do you have time to talk about our lord and savior ar15

[arctic grove]

yes

lIke I think the dm7 should be full auto

its so sleek and shoots so crispy

if the bsv can be an AR and smh why can't the dm7

smg

its the perfect looking rife, tactical, light, and packs a punch

if only it was full auto

hEllo?

[worthy elbow]

Dm7 would be so OP

[fiery dawn]

SFAR is really strong

Also DM7 in full auto would be sick, maybe it can only be switched into full auto with the close combat mags equipped? That would make it pretty fair imo

it's like a 4-5 hit kill or more with close combat rounds at medium to longer range which is pretty standard for ARs

[eager spire]

Sorry, got pulled away for IRL stuff. Uh, the thing about this is, there are different types of longtime battlefield fan, and frankly, some of the ideas they have of what Battlefield should be are frankly terrible. By and large, I feel like people think Battlefield is more than it really is, like people think it was this massive immersive milsim type thing, but it really wasn't, it never has been, officially.

Like, I see some of the things that people who think that way suggest and frankly they all seem terrible from a gameplay perspective.

[arctic grove]

yes exactly

[arctic grove]

LIke?

[fiery dawn]

The DM7 is supposed to be the Daniel Defense DDM4 V7 PRO which is an AR-15 style carbine chambered in 5.56x45 NATO. I think it's also not designed with a select-fire receiver because it's intended for civilian and law enforcement use. AKA, it can't be full-auto. Guess they were trying to keep it as accurate to the real life weapon as possible.

[arctic grove]

The in game model has a selct fire switch

[fiery dawn]

So does the civilian version IRL

It just serves as a safety switch if I'm not mistaken

[arctic grove]

full auto with cqb rounds would be awesome

[fiery dawn]

agreed

[arctic grove]

if the bsv can do it so can the dm7

[violet meteor]

[tacit sphinx]

“just give every gun automatic fire” is kinda… not interesting

[arctic grove]

its the dm7 specifivaly

[violet meteor]

Well how many people know their favorite weapon has an alternate firing mode

[fiery dawn]

True, the BSV-M is technically two weapons combined in one. They simply mushed them together because they wanted the functionality of both. So it would've been even simpler to just make the 2042 version of the DDM4 V7 have a full-auto option

[arctic grove]

it deserves full auto

[graceful rose]

Is there a specific setting to turn on to use my controller on pc?

[fiery dawn]

It makes perfect sense with the DM7 though. It's literally just an AR-15 carbine

[arctic grove]

i think its plug and play

[graceful rose]

All the inputs are like random buttons its weird

[tacit sphinx]

i do feel like this kinda highlights a flaw of the weapon customisation and the plus system, i do like the idea behind the plus system but in a way it limits what customisation you can add

[violet meteor]

Controller mapping

[graceful rose]

?

[tacit sphinx]

compared to something like MW gunsmith

[fiery dawn]

Oh yeah big time. I'm really sad we can't have a grip and a laser sight on our ARs. It really makes no sense

[arctic grove]

impossible to have laser plus grip

lol

[graceful rose]

Wdym

[arctic grove]

[tacit sphinx]

so like it makes sense for the bsv to be able to function like the vss and the as val, it’s basically the same gun, MW also took that approach - the thing with the plus system is because you can have smg and sniper/dmr ammo available to switch between it has this weird mix

[violet meteor]

It's mostly people asking for a change that would benefit them so they don't have to learn mechanics

But then those same people call for realism

[eager spire]

More players in a match, we've seen the effects of it in gameplay now and aside from the people who prefer the more chaotic nature of things for whatever reason, i imagine a lot of people would agree that it's a detriment to both gameplay and map design. I've also seen people claim that Hardcore should be how Battlefield is played, cause it's "more realistic". Hardcore is a fundamentally unbalanced mode and it shouldn't exist.

[eager spire]

Yeah, i see that a lot, really.

[tacit sphinx]

compared to MW where you either have it set up with DMR rounds and then whatever other attachments or SMG rounds and your attachments

[arctic grove]

too many players, ill give u that

but hc is by far the most balanced mode

all guns r good in hc

and it takes skill

real skill

[fiery dawn]

Tbh, all arcade fps games should look to what cod has done with weapon customization

[tacit sphinx]

this also isn’t supposed to be like i think MW is incredible, i don’t enjoy it much but i think the gunsmith system is a cool mechanic

[violet meteor]

Like its crazy, semi auto lmg is great when using long range attachments

[tacit sphinx]

bruh

[graceful rose]

Why is the menu so buggyt with a controller

[arctic grove]

its true

[graceful rose]

Like quite literally half the buttons just dont work

[eager dragon]

The game isnt tracking my progress :(

[violet meteor]

Cuz controllers are for consoles

Which why would you want to use a Controller on pc

I'd love to use m and k on my console

[graceful rose]

Because its crossplay?

[violet meteor]

Crossplay doesn't mean that

[arctic grove]

uhh

[graceful rose]

And because vehicles suck ass on pc

[violet meteor]

Vehicles suck in general

[graceful rose]

And why would they supportt controllers if it doesnt work

[graceful rose]

You are just a very negative person

[arctic grove]

i use the old controls scheme for vehicles

[violet meteor]

Uh, I just agreed with you...

[graceful rose]

Where?

[graceful rose]

How

[violet meteor]

Sorry I should just be blind and positive

[arctic grove]

controls-> buttons -> alternate or something youll see it

[violet meteor]

You're the only one allowed to be negative

[arctic grove]

for vehicles

[violet meteor]

My fault

[arctic grove]

like pilot

[eager spire]

Hardcore is by far the most balanced mode
Okay but here's the thing about that, Hardcore is literally equalizing everything and removing all other aspects of skill from the game. It removes all intended balance, therefore, it is not balanced.

[tacit sphinx]

i think a neat implementation of both gunsmith esque customisation and a plus system type mechanic would be dividing them into parts and attachments - parts being things you can’t change without a full field strip, attachments being bits that you just wack on some picatinny rail or mlock or whatever, and those are the things you keep in your plus menu

[fiery dawn]

Yeah I feel the same way. Played MW (2019) a bit and it was somewhat fun but I'll always be a battlefield player. The gunsmith is my absolute favorite part about the game and MW2's attention to detail is awfully enticing combined with the knowledge that the gunsmith system is returning...

[arctic grove]

it is too, its super tactical methodic and intense thus adding a layer of having to be careful and smart with all guns being good equals balance

[tacit sphinx]

which probably does kinda end up a bit overcomplicated and potentially just keeps the plus system for the sake of it, but hey i do like the idea of tuning your weapon on the fly

[fiery dawn]

me too

[eager spire]

It's super tactical methodic
Probably in an organized setting, but in public lobbies? No it isn't.

[violet meteor]

If every shot is a kill, there is no balance

[arctic grove]

it is

[violet meteor]

Indeed

[eager spire]

No it's not.

It changes nothing else about the game.

[arctic grove]

blueberry lives matter

[fiery dawn]

but the plus system that lets you tune on the fly, shouldn't also severely limit your ability to customize your weapon in the menus before going into a match

[tacit sphinx]

it just does still feel a bit weird that you slap an smg mag into an AR and it’s apparently also a full conversion kit

[arctic grove]

dice hardcore

[violet meteor]

Hard-core is where you go unlock shit shit that requires kills

[eager spire]

It doesn't change how movement works, it doesn't change how gunplay works, it only effects your health and HUD, it doesn't make the game any more tactical than it already is.

[violet meteor]

Yup

[tacit sphinx]

but like clipping off a foregrip and replacing it with a different style? yeah go ahead

[arctic grove]

does cuz now u arent running around jumpshotting

[eager spire]

Yes the fuck I am.

[violet meteor]

It really doesn't matter your attachment loadout in hard core

[arctic grove]

stead ur peaking corners and being patient

[eager spire]

Because there's nothing stopping me from doing so.

[violet meteor]

Spray and pray and still do the same damage as a sniper

[arctic grove]

go run into someoes sights then

u prob suck at hc

[violet meteor]

Who's good at hc?

One shot one kill for anything

[eager spire]

It's not hard.

[violet meteor]

In any setup

[eager spire]

Hardcore is not hard at all.

[tacit sphinx]

who wants to be good at hc

[arctic grove]

i larp in hc

been since bf3

[violet meteor]

No you just got proven wrong and now rely on jokes

[eager spire]

@violet meteor not exactly, 60 HP still requires more than one shot on most guns except for bolt actions. Bolt actions get massively buffed in Hardcore, cause they don't need to headshot to oneshot out to the head.

[violet meteor]

I'm speaking more to portal hc

[arctic grove]

from medium range

[violet meteor]

Those 8000000000000 servers lol

[eager spire]

Hardcore basically removes the difference between Shotguns and Sniper Rifles.

[tacit sphinx]

if i wanted an actual hardcore experience i’d play something built from the ground up for it, if i wanted the experience that battlefield hardcore provided i’d play idk quake or some shit lol

[eager spire]

Quake would require more skill.

[violet meteor]

Mmmm quake

[arctic grove]

hc takes skill u dont have

[violet meteor]

What skill

[arctic grove]

true fps skill

[shell ermine]

Point
Shoot

Such skill

[violet meteor]

Hc requires no skill

[arctic grove]

does too

[violet meteor]

The ceiling is the below the floor you died on

[eager spire]

What skill does Hardcore require that Core doesn't?

[arctic grove]

core cuts you slack with so many shots to kill somone

[tacit sphinx]

i think tuning stuff so you have like 80 health or something can add something but the average hardcore server is just slap on some dumb health + bullet speed modifiers so you just point and click once because everyone dies in one bullet and it’s borderline hitscan

[arctic grove]

60 health is what were talking about

[tacit sphinx]

so you actually have to aim and control your fire rather than getting a single shot on target

[arctic grove]

also its like apex takes no skill, apex ttk is so high ud have to be a child to think apex takes skil

[tacit sphinx]

hang on no that says it’s the other way round

[violet meteor]

If you're saying hc requires skill then you're not talking about weapons

Talking about doing anything you can to not get shot once

[arctic grove]

its like two or threebut the trick is to react faster than them or catch them of guard

[violet meteor]

Anyhoo

Peace, back to work

[arctic grove]

hc rewards faster reaction time\

[violet meteor]

🤷‍♂️👌

[arctic grove]

im the hc advocate here to dispell any ill speak of the best preset

[eager spire]

Apex takes no skill
You're trolling.

There's no way you're being serious.

[violet meteor]

Apex

Yeesh

[arctic grove]

apex litteraly takes none

freaking gold shields

[eager spire]

That's not true in the slightest.

[tacit sphinx]

win a game then

[arctic grove]

fastest ttk in apex is kraber headshot and even then its a down state

[eager spire]

yes cause it's a BR

[violet meteor]

Lol

Isn't a br hard-core?

I mean

1 life

[arctic grove]

apex cuts u so much slack with shields and ttk and down state its ob a childs game

even arena have shields

[eager spire]

You're ridiculous. You have no concept of what actually takes skill.

[tacit sphinx]

but i do like the notion that “faster ttk means more skill” i think it’s very funny and completely one dimensional

[arctic grove]

csgo takes skill hc takes skill apex doesnt

[eager spire]

Oh yeah, Quake, well known for it's incredibly fast TTK

[arctic grove]

if arenas didnt have shields then yeah

[violet meteor]

Love it

[eager spire]

BlackHair would fucking hate arena shooters.

[arctic grove]

actually does

[eager spire]

No it doesn't.

[arctic grove]

i love overwatch

andcod

i main hano for i shot headshots

[eager spire]

When i say arena shooters i am not talking about Overwatch and CoD.

[arctic grove]

halo

[eager spire]

I'm talking about Quake, Diabotical.

Halo has a longer TTK.

[arctic grove]

quake has 1 shot rocket kills

[eager spire]

No it doesn't?

At the very least, 2 shot rockets.

And that varies depending on how much armor someone has.

[arctic grove]

when everyone moves like a mosquito

where

[eager spire]

Like, you need to understand, you are not at all qualified to talk about what takes skill when you admitted yourself that you larp on BF Hardcore.

You don't know anything.

[arctic grove]

yeah so what i larp, u saying that is basically a hate crie, and also i am really good at fps games and played a big variety of em so i think i am qualified

[eager spire]

I've played a big variety of FPS games as well, but from what you've said and claimed here today, you don't know what you're talking about.

[arctic grove]

coming from the one whoas scared of a hc lobby like its the 6 ft end at the pool

[eager spire]

If you were actually good at video games you would know that having a low TTK actually takes less skill, because there isn't as much outplay potential, there's no need for tracking targets, there's no need for target prioritization.

Bold of you to assume i haven't played hardcore, I've experienced it.

[arctic grove]

theres way more outplay potential in low ttk just take overwatch, somone comes from behind u jump double jump back 1 shot headshot

boom

[arctic grove]

prolly sucked at it the way u talk about it

[eager spire]

https://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/battlereport/show/1/1571083017758071488/253887336/

[arctic grove]

ok, but hc takes more skill

[eager spire]

I did that with a burst AK12.

[violet meteor]

Oh still at it

[arctic grove]

every gun good in hc

[violet meteor]

Ok some people think things take more skill or less skill

Great debate settled

[arctic grove]

burst ak 12 like one burst kill

[violet meteor]

Agree to disagree

[eager spire]

A burst AK-12. It was easy as fuck.

[arctic grove]

1 burst kill

[violet meteor]

[eager spire]

Nah more like 2 bursts when you take spread into account

[violet meteor]

You're not gonna convince each other

[arctic grove]

if ur aim is bad

[violet meteor]

Why bother

Still going for it?

[wicked gale]

https://tenor.com/view/jet-bean-killer-bean-ragdoll-ragdoll-fall-gif-23762382

GIVE ME PERMS SDKJFGhn df

[eager spire]

This was literally with a broken right mouse button, fucking flickering ADS. I didn't need really good aim to do this. It was easy.

[violet meteor]

Lol

[arctic grove]

u should see my controller with drift

[violet meteor]

So you tried to show an example with broken shit

Agree to disagree, simple

[shell ermine]

Man I love getting beamed across the map by K30s and G57s.

I don't know if I can buy another Battlefield with unrestricted crossplay.

[eager spire]

oof

[arctic grove]

we nee and mp5 smg

i type too fast

[pine roost]

do you have crossplay on

[wicked gale]

i just drove from spawn to A back to C and to E without seeing a single player on hourglass, besides in vehicles

guess ill leave and and find another map lmao

thats like 4 minutes of not a soul

[arctic grove]

can u c what i spelled out?

[spare quest]

[celest oar]

"EA is launching the new EA app, which will replace Origin on Windows PC. EA says it is faster and more reliable.
Origin players: Your games and progress will be transferred over."

Is this a thing for EA's games on Steam yet? Or I still have to use Origin thing?

[arctic grove]

u c wat i wrote with emoticons?

[pine roost]

That’s a good question, I feel rA desktop would be prioritised over origin if you had both installed

[celest oar]

had both installed before, for game pass and normal EA games. Both used to be refuse to run unless one got uninstalled but they fix it. I want to get rid the Origin because I can't disable overlay on steam version and has to purposely break their file just so the overlay can't run

[arctic grove]

dont u need like a tag or something

[pine roost]

Ah so maybe you’d have to uninstall one in order for steam to load those games properly?

[celest oar]

yeah, used to. If I want game pass to run game I have to uninstall Origin, but If I want to play game that only work with Origin, I have to uninstall EA desktop

[arctic grove]

i just play on xbox i dek wat ur goin on about

[celest oar]

they even have some kind of message compare EA Desktop and Origin talking about two heroes can't co-exist something like that

[eager spire]

The EA App is dogshit, i've tried installing it, it literally would not let me log in.

[pine roost]

What games currently only work on origin?

[violet meteor]

Wolves can't use computers

[celest oar]

can't remember, but atleast I know If your EA's games are on Steam, you must use Origin like I'm having BF2042 on Steam right now. But If you got xbox game pass you have to use EA desktop

[pine roost]

Wait do you have to reinstall your games when switching launchers?

[celest oar]

I can just let the game launcher reallocate the game folder after I reinstall the launcher back. But as I said they fixed it so now It's not a problem anymore so you can have both installed without any problem

but I still hate Origin because for reason I can't completely disable it's overlay so I have to break their igo64.dll to break the overlay

[eager spire]

I've never had to deal with Origin's overlay. It just never comes up.

[echo ridge]

Is anyone else getting kicked for EAC policy violations for no reason? I dont use hacks, and my aim proves how trash I really am. I got kicked from an AI Breakthrough Solo/Co-op match for cheating against bots? Any fix for this?

[tawny carbon]

how is the new event?

nevermind its the 11th to the 25th, oops

[pine roost]

I just turned the overlay off

Does doing that still cause it to show up?

[celest oar]

it work for normal Origin, just not if your game is on Steam. Even if you have the overlay origin disable in setting

[pine roost]

Strange

I’ll test that out tomorrow to see if I’ve got it but I’ve literally never even opened the overlay

[celest oar]

but anyway my death wish is them get rid of Origin

[tawny carbon]

origin is the OG launcher lol

[violet meteor]

Idk how but I made 1200 dollars in sales calls tonight.

[crude surge]

Other than the UI being weird sometimes the Origin launcher is pretty good now

Its not the nightmare it was a couple years ago

[crude surge]

During the origin install process there's an option to disable the overlay entirely, its a stupid spot for it but it's there. They should have an option to disable it in game like any other overlay does still but at least you don't have to fiddle with the .dll stuff to do it

[eager spire]

It works, unlike the EA App.

[crude surge]

EA app is a dumpster fire

[eager spire]

I hate the EA App.

[pine roost]

I just use it to buy and play games, no point using any friend features or whatnot so I for one don’t have any real opinions of it

[crude surge]

When it comes to gaming with friends I'll say steam still does it smoother than most but I'm not usually adding people on steam anymore anyways with discord existing

I don't even add people on Xbox

[pine roost]

Actually one thing I was doing with origin was adding any good pilots I come across in bf

Or just good players in general after we chat about mechanics and whatnot for a few rounds

[amber olive]

Is battlefield 5 still active

[pine roost]

Yes

Heck even bf4 is active

[arctic grove]

Only bf game that is dying is Hardline sadly.

[amber olive]

Ok thanks

It’s 8 dollars on Microsoft store and I was planning on getting it

[vocal adder]

BF hardline died ages ago

[foggy halo]

The americanos don’t like this game. Look at how died this chat is in the americanos hours.

[celest oar]

there is an option to disable Origin overlay, just that It does nothing if you launch your game through Steam

[foggy halo]

They have a different taste

[crude surge]

If you disable it during the install process like I said that's the only way I know how to disable it if you're launching via steam

Its inconvenient that you can't just generally disable it and you have to do specific shit to keep it off tho

[vocal adder]

I really wish you didn't just unlock all the attachments and that for the vault weapons

[celest oar]

or If the process to disable it that painful that I have to reinstall the launcher just to have it work effectively, then I might as well just delete igo64, samething that completely disable the overlay

[ivory canopy]

I don't really mind it tbh

[crude surge]

That's fair, I just try and avoid deleting files if possible it makes hiccups sometimes

[vocal adder]

Imagine if they actually did the weapons so it can have camos and that

[crude surge]

I really would like the vault weapons to be able to use 2042 attachments

[arctic grove]

I still found at least 1 or 2 servers on xbox active

[vocal adder]

I mean what's the reason why the vault weapons can't have camos ?

[chilly oak]

Would take up unnecessary time

[vocal adder]

How is it unnecessary

[chilly oak]

Just skins for old weapons

Why put dev time on that

[vocal adder]

Because these weapons are coming to the main game so why not

[hot depot]

whats the best attachments for m5a3

[vocal adder]

I really hope they add the G3 that's literally the only vault weapon i want

Been wanting the G3 in AOW since the game released i want it so badly

[wicked gale]

holy shit man 4th time this game with the ADS bug after exiting a vehicle

im logging off and getting ready for dnd smh i was doing good too

[hexed mango]

@ripe hedge

nice they brought back the crossbow+knife gammode

[violet meteor]

The range is like if you're that close you can move in for a melee takedown

[hexed mango]

but crossbow more fun and takedowns are lame af

why is melee a three shot now wtf

maybe its just this mode

[celest oar]

hmm, It seem I don't have the option to disable Origin overlay while in installation process. And now they make it more complicated because by installed EA app it also uninstall Origin, BF2042 still not available on EA app, only the EA pass Pro version is on EA app.

[hexed mango]

just dont use EA App, make sure the game isnt running, go into origin and you should be able to change in-game settings

you can rename a file in game settings to disable overlay

[celest oar]

what if I want to run game on xbox game pass then it force use ea app? meanwhile I also have game on Steam that use Origin only until they do something about it

that how I always do, delete igo64

[hexed mango]

you cant

since ea app is still technically beta, i dont think other launchers support it

well technically i dont think the game itself supports it

cause 2042 on steam is built with origin, and hence, launches with origin.

[celest oar]

but because they said the app is left the beta phase, so i thought it otherwise guess it still the same thing

[hexed mango]

still hasnt taken fully over for origin yet

[celest oar]

if only it could be remastered dead space, no more origin or ea app. Just simple account linking for data sharing and that it

[hexed mango]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i do hope ea app gets working and working well soon, much better looking than origin when i last used it

i do also wish that 2042 and other games used it over origin, but idk guess we gotta just wait

[calm bison]

Remember that software EA stated that would read your computer’s hardware and software to detect cheats?

Pepperridge Farm remembers

[brittle forge]

Easy Anti Cheat?

[calm bison]

Nah

I believe it was a first party software

Maybe I’m out of the loop on it

[errant scarab]

Damn look terrible

[hexed mango]

what looks terrible

[errant scarab]

seriusly?

[hexed mango]

punkbuster?

http://punkbuster.com/

looks like it hasnt been used since bfh

what

what

what?

sounds like a major skill issue

[fading wharf]

friday night with ea staff was hella fun

bp

[worthy elbow]

On born

[celest oar]

every anti-cheat software do that

[hexed mango]

wait till the liquidators event

idk they might have extra shit

[worthy elbow]

I wouldn't mind subtle halloween skins

Would def mega boin on that stuff

[fading wharf]

is there no halloween event announced

[edgy oriole]

well the community doesnt like cool so it wont happen

[fading wharf]

i dont think battlefield ever had things like helloween stuff added

[celest oar]

imagine Santa Claus skin when it's christmas? I can't

[edgy oriole]

still waiting on my christmas tank

[worthy elbow]

Common community L

[fading wharf]

[worthy elbow]

No fun boot lickers

[white geyser]

Trick or treat, before Halloween comes they better give us something

[fading wharf]

well they better give us AK-47 back aswell

[edgy oriole]

i still amazed by the awesome skin we got for

christmas

[worthy elbow]

Pumpkin head dozer would be lit

[fading wharf]

i cant even buy bf points

dont see any ingame to buy

[edgy oriole]

if it says error you just gotta wait a few minutes

[fading wharf]

ahh

ty

1k are probably 10bucks ?

[edgy oriole]

i think it took mine like 5 minutes the last time i bought for some reason. idk if the update messed it up or what

[fading wharf]

lmao

[fading wharf]

can u still get the guns from the old bp?

[fading wharf]

ty i dont see that, its doesnt appear

[edgy oriole]

yeah idk how it works tho. i heard you can do it through assignments

[fading wharf]

ahh

[edgy oriole]

you dont have a store?

[fading wharf]

its blank screen there

[dapper river]

how the hell do you have an odd number of boins

did you buy a fucked up bundle?

[edgy oriole]

[wide shore]

Oh yeah wtf

How is that possible

[fading wharf]

[edgy oriole]

since the bundles been shit ive bought 1 or 2 items per