battlefield-2042

[tardy tree]

i always liked the mg42 lol

[arctic grove]

Cod and battlefield are shit

Play free fire garena

but the sounds tho

[tardy tree]

nft pfp

[arctic grove]

worth it to use it for that imo

garand ping is such a satisfying sound

[eager spire]

yeah but if you're playing a multiplayer shooter and you're just not insanely cracked at the game you gotta consider more than that.

[arctic grove]

I enjoy 2042

[tardy tree]

same

[shell ermine]

Its my most used weapon and I see a ton of people use it. There were just a lot of SMLE fanboys taking shit about it back in the day.

[tardy tree]

i actually dont think ive hated a single battlefield game

[arctic grove]

Das cray cray cuh

[arctic grove]

I played with it a fair bit in BFV and it wasn't too awful

[tardy tree]

even this one

[eager spire]

I've certainly had some aspects of every Battlefield game i've hated.

[arctic grove]

Your mother

Has a sexuality

[eager spire]

The only one i can say i hate outright is BF1.

[arctic grove]

BFV is actually the one BF game where ive actually got use out of pretty much every weapon, rather than just 1 or 2 that are the best

[eager spire]

Because BF1 sucks shit and i'm not elaborating on that.

[arctic grove]

I disliked V a little bit for content, but liked the gunplay, but sometimes got on my nerves

[shell ermine]

Also 2042 not having a server browser really pisses me off.

[arctic grove]

Way

Wah?

[arctic grove]

the content was mostly disappointing up until the pacific update

[shell ermine]

The Battlefield games were the last bastion of old school community driven mp shooters and they ripped that away with 2042

[arctic grove]

Didn't people love bf1 and all the new games are shit?

[arctic grove]

"the people" dont exist

[tardy tree]

i hated it to begin with but then i started playing again and its awesome

[eager spire]

I mean DICE have been moving away from actual decent community run servers since BF1

[arctic grove]

Fr?

BF 1 was the ww2 one right?

[shell ermine]

I dislike BF1, not as much as I hate 2042, but still

[arctic grove]

Nah it was ww1

[eager spire]

If you somehow didn't notice that when they relegated the Server Browser to an option in the UI rather than the default method of finding games, and made it so you could only rent servers from EA, I don't know what to tell you.

[arctic grove]

But people loved that game?

From the reviews

I'm confusion

Guns feel all the same in bf1, and wanted a whole lot of thing to unlock

[shell ermine]

Random deviation, sweet spot, and the bastardized setting did me in for BF1

[tardy tree]

i didnt really dig bf1

[arctic grove]

You know I'm glad I didn't buy 2042 early on for another game in beta

[tardy tree]

but the behemoth

thats where it got wild

[arctic grove]

I'm glad I'm getting a 40$ finished product

I generally like all, only some more than others

[shell ermine]

BF1 should've been bolt action and semi auto heaven, but they filled the game with prototype automatic guns

[arctic grove]

Honestly I thought battlefield fans have the same cycle as COD fans

[shell ermine]

At least they walked that back with BFV and semiautomatics and bolt actions largely dominate

[eager spire]

Random bullet deviation is not a bad balancing mechanic, BF4 did it and it worked well. The problem with BF1 is that they did that but also had an insane amount of visual recoil, and also hipfire on full auto weapons that's way too good.

[arctic grove]

Play game>Love game>get tired of formula> bitch about it> shit on the new recipe> get hyped when old recipe is brought back> play it

Cod fan cycle

[eager spire]

There's a reason visual recoil was removed from Battlefield 4 after a patch. It was distracting.

[shell ermine]

Going back to BF4 and I hate the deviation in there too. BFV just spoiled me with its perfect gunplay

[arctic grove]

In battlefields case dice and EA look like assholes

[eager spire]

I'm sorry but I cannot justify random recoil. Maybe if the recoil were consistent i'd agree with you, but random recoil? Nah.

[arctic grove]

Some overhate it

Battlefield gunplay looks mid

[eager spire]

you look mid.

[arctic grove]

Cray cray

[arctic grove]

Is that your nft?

No

Anyways

Guns feel like water downed versions

[eager spire]

inb4 it is but he doesn't wanna admit to actually wasting his money on these things

[arctic grove]

And recoil is static

[arctic grove]

You dweeb it's a fake nft

[eager spire]

What's the difference, they both look like shit

[arctic grove]

No wonder I actually got to screenshot it

[arctic grove]

I'd feel ashamed too if i paid money for that

Anyways

Guns are mid

Vehicles look cool

[arctic grove]

Guns aint mid

Idk

They really nail the guns

[eager spire]

Anyway, i saw a bit of MW2 gameplay but considering the absolute lack of no commentary/no facecam footage available, also the fact that i'm a PC player, and for some reason no PC players were invited to this event, i'll have to wait for the PC beta to happen before i can see proper footage.

[arctic grove]

From what I've seen

It looks like bo3

[arctic grove]

I'm not getting another cod game

People do that all the time

[tame cobalt]

The state of the bf franchise https://imgflip.com/i/6tk56f

[arctic grove]

Hype up cutscenes

And then make gameplay shit

[eager spire]

cool, neither am i but that's not stopping me from watching gameplay footage of it

[arctic grove]

Cool

And I'm not stopping you

[arctic grove]

Cool

[eager spire]

ok

[arctic grove]

Anyways

[eager spire]

👍

[arctic grove]

Bf2042 guns feel like black ops 3

Like waterguns

[eager spire]

...Actually speaking of 2042

[arctic grove]

If i turn up i will turn up like that, but only if i turn up

[shell ermine]

I can't express what it is, but 2042's gunplay just feels awful

[arctic grove]

Mw gunplay was fun

[arctic grove]

That is bf4 guns

[shell ermine]

Especially compared to BFV

[eager spire]

Does anyone know if you still c-clamp the AK24? It was like that in the beta, i don't know if they changed that in the full release.

[shell ermine]

And modern COD

[arctic grove]

And bo4 added some girth and thickness to the sounds even if the gunplay was static

Shooting the weapon felt satisfying

So do bf2042 weapons

[eager spire]

BFV has random recoil and modern CoD has visual recoil.

So basically you just don't like being able to control your guns?

[arctic grove]

Ah

[keen loom]

[arctic grove]

Yes

[eager spire]

wasn't asking you but okay

[arctic grove]

👍

[arctic grove]

My visual visualization

[arctic grove]

Me?

[eager spire]

no

[arctic grove]

Me?

Aight

[eager spire]

@shell ermine

[arctic grove]

Ah

[shell ermine]

BFV's random recoil doesn't affect semiautomatics and automatics if you burst fire. It's only if you spam automatic fire are you punished

[keen loom]

[arctic grove]

I'm just excited about portal man

[tame cobalt]

2042 gunplay is nice

[arctic grove]

I look cool here

Making a tiny scale battle

[eager spire]

much like how random bullet deviation doesn't effect those guns if you burst or don't spam fire them.

[arctic grove]

With bots that can ACTUALLY PILOT VEHICLES

Portal with AI is nice

[hexed mango]

they still crash

[arctic grove]

Remembers the good old days

[arctic grove]

True but at least they get in

[hexed mango]

in jets, they just go awol

[tame cobalt]

Sfar is op but damn does it sound nice

[arctic grove]

I hate sfar

In mw the bots wouldn't even control gunships or the LAVs

Just because i want to play ak24

ive been really enjoying the SFAR, definitely a great AR, especially in semi auto. Damage is great, works like a fast fire rate DMR a lot of the time

[keen loom]

[arctic grove]

Are shotties meta in this game like cod or are ars and snipers the way to go?

[arctic grove]

Why would you use sfar semi

[eager spire]

I can't say i have much complaints about AI not being able to drive vehicles, considering AI is for the most part fucking stupid and i'd rather have an actual person driving.

[arctic grove]

because for long distance shots its really reliable, as long as you can aim

[tame cobalt]

Sfar is op

[hexed mango]

no

12M is just broken and mcs is ass

[arctic grove]

What about tap firing

[eager spire]

Do you still c-clamp the AK24 past the beta?

[arctic grove]

Nah, i try it every 3 lives

[tame cobalt]

Smgs and ars and dmrs are the way to go

[arctic grove]

Im not great at controlling tap fire, plus with the weapon jitter when it decides to skip it causes issues.

plus its literally one key to switch so I don't see the problem

[arctic grove]

Then die and change weapon

[arctic grove]

I found your client @hexed mango

[hexed mango]

what is a c clamp

[keen loom]

[arctic grove]

Idk

[hexed mango]

[arctic grove]

good question

[arctic grove]

what?

I replied as if it was insisting on it

[arctic grove]

Nah nah pass

👀

[hexed mango]

apparently its a way to hold the barrel

[arctic grove]

oooooh yeah

[hexed mango]

like so

[arctic grove]

yeah that

makes sense

[keen loom]

[arctic grove]

I dont think you do

[arctic grove]

Because with iron sights you see the sights

On ak24

I see no fingers, worth a look up tho

[calm bison]

Your character C-clamped the AK-24 in the beta and moved their thumb to the side when ADSing

[eager spire]

yeah

I'm guessing they changed that for some reason?

[solid imp]

Alex question

[arctic grove]

Looked cool tho

[eager spire]

it did

of course i wouldn't play the game for that

but

you know.

[arctic grove]

Yeah, makes sense that way

[hexed mango]

they removed it cause the thumb blocked the iron signs, apparently

according to reddit

[eager spire]

but they already fixed that

[hexed mango]

yeah this was a while ago

[eager spire]

they fixed that in the beta by having the character's thumb move out of the way

[arctic grove]

"according to reddit"

[eager spire]

That wasn't an issue.

[hexed mango]

https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/quaopk/theres_no_way_they_removed_c_clamp_from_the_ak24/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/q3jr6j/the_cclamp_on_the_ak_24_is_so_hot/

[solid imp]

Wouldn't the game decide a bit more based on whether you have a grip attached then whether you have optics attached? Why c clamp if you have a grip?

[eager spire]

because it's cool

[hexed mango]

i cannot find any images of it

[solid imp]

Fair lol

[arctic grove]

Who passed this idea

[hexed mango]

@ripe hedge any info on this?

thanks :)

[keen loom]

No clamp

[hexed mango]

expect a response in 6-10 business days

[solid imp]

Ohhh you mentioned him

Bold

[arctic grove]

The response is your ip address

[hexed mango]

[arctic grove]

"dont mention me ever again"

[hexed mango]

fr

bans my account

[keen loom]

Ban ban ban

[hexed mango]

he gets pinged a lot

[solid imp]

It might even be a rule not to at mention lol

[hexed mango]

i get pinned more

[keen loom]

[solid imp]

Lol

[hexed mango]

he said he was fine with it, and way said it was fine since he said it was ok

he said he said that said he

[keen loom]

[solid imp]

I mean if Way said it... 😬

[keen loom]

Alex- W

[arctic grove]

Reporting a weapon

[solid imp]

That does seem like carte blanche mention powers were granted

[arctic grove]

probably fine to have a c-clamp when hip firing with no underbarrel attachment, but when you ADS it should move the hand-grip, would be a good middle ground. If you have a grip attachment you should just hold the grip regardless of ADS or no-ADS

[eager spire]

but yeah the AK-24 C-Clamp 100% doesn't fucking matter but at the same time i can't fathom why it was removed

[hexed mango]

hawt

[eager spire]

That's mid-shooting, but it's from the beta

[hexed mango]

idk what it is, but playing the beta felt so cool/weird

like it just has a feeling

[eager spire]

that feeling was probably the worse mouse input than on launch.

[arctic grove]

^

[hexed mango]

my input has been fine

but i mean that in a positive way

[solid imp]

so funny story... my "mouse input lag" turned out to be a legit failing mouse lol

[hexed mango]

like it felt good

[arctic grove]

Bfv beta didnt have that feeling

going into it I just remember thinking how hero-shooter-y it felt, and that mouse input and the weapons were god awful

[solid imp]

I swapped my other G500 for the one with input lag and voila my mouse input lag disappeared

[hexed mango]

2042 was the first beta ive played

[arctic grove]

Because stg44 would rip through your feelings

[eager spire]

but nah mouse input was legitimately broken, even more blatantly than it is now.

[hexed mango]

lol

[eager spire]

they fixed some issues but not all of them, there's still an odd dead zone.

[jaunty fjord]

I think the big battlefield experience of mw2 is better than that of 2042

[arctic grove]

its different in significant ways, no classes, no medics/revives, and a different gameplay loop, but it looks fun regardless of that

[eager spire]

in that it is a technically functioning video game yeah

[keen loom]

Completely different game

[jaunty fjord]

At least they don't have broken mouse input and controller input and specialist

[keen loom]

They have operators

[arctic grove]

they're definitely trying to bridge the gap without encroaching on things unique to battlefield

[eager spire]

yeah but the operators don't have special abilities

it's literally cosmetics

[keen loom]

I don’t see why you’d compare ground war to battlefield though battlefield hits different

[eager spire]

I still wanna know what DMZ is about.

[arctic grove]

cosmetics and story, seeing as I'm guessing that most of the launch operators are going to be characters carried over from the campaign as they did in MW19

better that way imo

[arctic grove]

yeah me too

[eager spire]

like, sure, their description of it sounds interesting, but that's marketing.

[proud gorge]

Just realized I was never 180 for Lis

158

I hate her T1 grind

[keen loom]

[jaunty fjord]

I feel like 2042 is going to be lost lmao

[arctic grove]

It wont

[eager spire]

Also, one thing i noticed during the livestream

they mentioned 2 new 6v6 modes. They never elaborated on what Knock Out is.

[arctic grove]

Rough live dupport but good post support game

[arctic grove]

its most likely going to retain the playerbase it has, and maybe attract players at the launch of the new seasons as it did for S1 and S2, but its not going to massively blow up in player count, its too late for that

[marsh helm]

operators=specialist , people say they don't want bf be like cod but also say operators are ok , wtf ?

[eager spire]

i'm sorry but are you stupid

[arctic grove]

How do operators in cod work

[eager spire]

Operators are literally just cosmetic shit my guy

[arctic grove]

operators and specialists are different, operators come with the skins and stories, but none of the unique gadgets

which depending on who you ask is either a good thing or a bad thing

[hearty flame]

i doubt its gonna grow anymore. S2 barely made more of a splash than s1 on steam

[arctic grove]

you pick the one you like the look of

Bf4 had the best of those skin things

[eager spire]

2042 has it's playerbase now, i feel. I don't think it's gonna bring in anyone new, and some people are looking for other games to play.

[arctic grove]

or if they have a certain progression path with weapon XP boosts like they did in vanguard, then they pick the operator that has the boost for the specific weapon they are levelling up

[eager spire]

that sounds incredibly specific

and also dumb

[arctic grove]

Simple, not so heavy to sway development of new content

[eager spire]

but that's Vanguard so of course it does

[arctic grove]

essentially in vanguard the operators had a mini story which included info on their preferred weapon, and if you paired the operator with their preferred weapon you would get a boost to XP earned towards unlocking attachments and skins for that gun

[eager spire]

hm.

[arctic grove]

gave them a bit more use than just choosing which you like the look of

they also each had their own unlock paths with unique stuff

[eager spire]

i donno i can't say i mind them being purely cosmetic

[arctic grove]

im never gonna turn down a perk which speeds up progression

and it was kinda necessary since every gun had 70 fucking levels

[eager spire]

yeah, Vanguard's progression was not great at all

[arctic grove]

probably wouldn't have been needed if each gun didn't take a lifetime to fully level up

[eager spire]

Vanguard just sucked overall.

[hearty flame]

mw2 weapon family progression seems really interesting

[arctic grove]

I absolutely love it

[eager spire]

Yeah, the Gunsmith 2.0 seems really neat and interesting.

[arctic grove]

everything about it looks amazing

the receivers system is 😍

[eager spire]

I like the idea of universal attachments that you unlock, that you can use on all guns

I assume that means like sights and grips

[hearty flame]

anything for less grinding the same scopes for the 14th time

[arctic grove]

I dunno how certain attachment progression works, I know the majority of attachments are tied to their weapon family and a progression tree. Whether sights and grips are universal I couldn't tell, I need to rewatch the showcase video

[eager spire]

I can't think of a reason why sights wouldn't be universal

as long as a gun has a rail

[copper fulcrum]

In 2042 all guns have the same rail system

In real life that is not the case.

You can get adapters though to do that

[arctic grove]

2042 is not real life yet

based on how the weapon trees look, it seems like sights and grips are still tied to a weapon family/receiver family

[eager spire]

i mean most guns can potentially have picatinny rails, even if they don't come with them from the factory

[copper fulcrum]

If I remember correctly, CoD games have a rail adapter for the AK to put sights on them for all games

[eager spire]

Picatinny is a fairly universal rail standard at this point

[tame cobalt]

Orbital 1.0 my beloved

[arctic grove]

we should be able to check everything during the beta, so we will know for sure by then

[arctic grove]

Orbital is a good map tho

And will get better

honestly I will probably spend ages looking through it all

[tame cobalt]

That's a fact

[tame cobalt]

Perhaps

[eager spire]

Still sucks that PC players don't get to play the beta till the 22nd at the earliest.

[copper fulcrum]

Oh well

[tame cobalt]

It will be different

[arctic grove]

Its definitely a good enough map, the rework will make it a lot better

[arctic grove]

I like what they do with reworks

[arctic grove]

blame sony

fuckers

[eager spire]

SONY. >:(

[arctic grove]

they get to do the open beta first, they get exclusive content, including an exclusive operator only on PS

thats some bullshit right there

[eager spire]

I wonder if the Playstation exclusive operator will be in the files of the PC version.

[arctic grove]

What do you lot think about the class rework in 2042 tho

[copper fulcrum]

Imagine getting mad at this

[eager spire]

Only time will tell

[eager spire]

i'm a bit miffed but i wouldn't say i'm properly angry about it.

[copper fulcrum]

Not combustible lemon levels of angry yet? Shame.

[arctic grove]

exclusives benefit nobody, especially not gaming in general

[copper fulcrum]

They benefit Sony

[arctic grove]

sony only do it because its the only chance they have of competing when the rest of the gaming industry is trending towards cross-platform and openness

[copper fulcrum]

There are customers that do actually look at this kinda shit and go "Wow, gotta go with Sony"

[eager spire]

Meh. It won't be any better than a proper class system from the ground up.

[solid imp]

It's crazy that Sony wants to carve out an even more dedicated player base in front of Xbox taking control of CoD

[eager spire]

which is weird considering Sony is releasing stuff on PC

[arctic grove]

finally

took them long enough

[arctic grove]

Definitely, you dont change the horse going through the river

[eager spire]

though they seem to be releasing everything except what people actually want

[mossy badge]

and thats awesome 🙌

[eager spire]

Where's the fucking Bloodborne PC port, Sony?

[arctic grove]

but they still hold their exclusive games hostage for ages before they release them on PC, gotta keep those PS5 sales up

[analog stirrup]

sign the bloodborne petition

[hexed mango]

this is a weird way to farm xp

[solid imp]

Sony also talked a big game with discord and still Xbox gets better integration first

[eager spire]

The BF Portal Experience

[arctic grove]

The day that all games get released day 1 on their respective owner platforms (xbox/PS) and PC at the same time is the day gamers win.

[arctic grove]

I dont want to ask what happens if you rotate counter clockwise

[hearty flame]

eh the longer sony holds onto exclusives the less im willing to buy them becuse something newer comes along

[eager spire]

ban, probably

[arctic grove]

they can keep their console platform exclusives but don't lock shit away from PC players, all games should be on PC from day 1

[arctic grove]

Hopefully

[arctic grove]

I refuse to buy into their crap anyway

I refuse to buy them because i have a pc

Does not matter how crappy they get

there was a time I considered it, primarily when the spiderman game launched

[eager spire]

yeah but then the spiderman game came out on PC

[arctic grove]

but I wasn't going to dump the money into a console i'd only use to play games I couldn't get on PC

[arctic grove]

yeah thank god

still haven't bought it tho

[eager spire]

neither have i

[arctic grove]

too many games, not enough money

[eager spire]

because i don't care about Spiderman that much

[keen loom]

[mossy badge]

spiderman new york looks sooooooooooo good 🗽

[arctic grove]

Im really hoping that xbox don't make COD exclusive to their platform, they need to keep games open as much as possible

they've promised to keep to the existing deal which expires by 2024/2025, so around the next game release in the series if they're going 2-yearly now. But they weren't clear whether after that they'd continue to keep it multi-platform.

[copper fulcrum]

Would be lmao if they did

[arctic grove]

Or downfall of cod benefits "us"

[inner roost]

Low key want to see it happen just to see people cry online

[hexed mango]

what the fuck... the game isnt over

[arctic grove]

I'd like them to, just take away the platform exclusive content

[copper fulcrum]

Dude I really enjoy watching people crying over gaming

[eager spire]

just hope that worker conditions at Activision improve after the acquisition.

[hearty flame]

hahaha good one

[arctic grove]

I mean yeah thats the big thing here

they had a lot of issues, and they've started working on them

[eager spire]

cause that's a major reason i've not bought into CoD at all for the last few years.

[inner roost]

It's beyond hilarious, can't wait for the shit storm when Xbox does make it Xbox/PC exclusive

[hearty flame]

the more things change the more things stay the same

[copper fulcrum]

Vanessa needs to work harder at Activision while Brian continues to throw paper balls into the back of her head

[eager spire]

:I

[copper fulcrum]

I joke about this after I fired a man named Brian, ironically

[arctic grove]

I mean, PS would get a taste of their own medicine, but they really shouldn't. It would hurt PS sales a fair bit, given how popular it is on all platforms, and it would also drive Sony to dump money onto their army of game studios to try and create their own competitor.

[hearty flame]

i will say though with i think starfield being the first big MS acquisition exclusive that its not looking to start off great

[arctic grove]

And given that sony's studios are mostly centered on singleplayer game-dev, they'd have a hard time.

[inner roost]

Idc what happens to PS sales really, Sony does exclusivity without repercussions, Xbox should hit them back hard

Look at the new Harry Potter game lots of bs like no dungeon and missing mission on Xbox

[eager spire]

Personally i don't care much about Starfield, it's another bethesda game. I expect nothing.

[remote kiln]

it will never happen lol

[inner roost]

Jim Ryan is malding for a reason lol

Cuz they want to do it

[remote kiln]

he's angry because the contract is 3 years in length

[eager spire]

Jim Ryan is a bitch anyway.

[arctic grove]

they could maybe get bungie to work on an FPS, but they've probably got their hands tied

[tame cobalt]

Jimbo is based

[remote kiln]

it doesn't matter how much he complains anti trust regulators won't approve the acquisition without the franchise having some sort of permanent place on other platforms

[eager spire]

nah, he's a bitch.

[hearty flame]

bungie is making a 2nd fps iirc

[remote kiln]

and Microsoft can do nothing about that

[arctic grove]

this is what im hoping for

[inner roost]

Deal prob still going to go through, but Xbox most likely will have to extend contract for cod being on PS

[eager spire]

Never heard of it.

[arctic grove]

regulators will force all activision blizzard games to remain cross-platform where already so, and microsoft will have to keep to that to go through with the acquisition

[remote kiln]

how do you suppose a deal goes through when it's not approved

the CMA have already mandated that if Microsoft wants the acquisition they implement some sort of agreement

[arctic grove]

and I don't think microsoft are really that intent on taking away COD from PS

[hearty flame]

dont think theyve announced it but there have been job offerings

[arctic grove]

the whole console war thing is kinda dumb, they are doing more than well enough between console sales, game sales and especially game pass

[eager spire]

yeah.

[remote kiln]

Microsoft want call of duty for Xbox game pass, they would prefer it's not on PlayStation so the bargain value is higher, but it can be there anyways

it's secondary to their product priorities

only difference is people who want COD will be paying full price every year instead of getting it for a monthly fee

[arctic grove]

honestly I don't think it really matters if it is on PS while on game pass from day 1, its well worth the value on game pass that it would draw people in

[eager spire]

because they're the kind of people who just preorder anything.

[remote kiln]

it doesn't, but it's about long term strangling over playstation as a brand

don't get it twisted it's definitely in Microsoft's interest to have COD not be on PlayStation, which is why theyd prefer it wasn't, but if they're forced to allow it, its meh to them

[arctic grove]

its sad thats the case

its business

but like

[eager spire]

it likely wouldn't work out for them considering a lot of the Hardcore CoD fans have been on Playstation since the original Microsoft exclusivity ended.

[remote kiln]

they are a amorphous bunch, the OG crowd were Xbox during the 360 days

[keen loom]

[remote kiln]

the console doesn't matter it's where the game is

[eager spire]

and most people don't seem to care about the newer Xbox hardware

[arctic grove]

and thats 100% of the problem right there

[eager spire]

yes i know

i was alive then

[remote kiln]

so you'd know why MS would prefer it wasn't on PlayStation

[eager spire]

yes but i'd be willing to assume that most content creators who preorder every single CoD and buy all the skins are currently hanging out on Playstation, and I don't know if they'd actually be willing to switch hardware for exclusive stuff.

Hell, most professional players i've seen are on PS5, if you don't count PC obviously.

[remote kiln]

well it's pretty straightforward if they don't buy the other console, they don't get to play the game

it's not like they have a choice in this hypothetical situation

and the same is true for the rest of the COD playerbase who aren't on PC

[eager spire]

yeah but still it's not like they'd be happy about it.

[arctic grove]

They will play the game anyway

[remote kiln]

^

they can grumble and groan lol fan happiness doesn't matter

[arctic grove]

the playerbase doesn't matter to mega corps, only money

[eager spire]

evidently.

[remote kiln]

as they should be caring for a playerbase with a triple a franchise is how you kill games

[arctic grove]

greed and hostility works too well unfortunately

even bad games sell

[remote kiln]

make the competent game sell it be done nothing else matters

[arctic grove]

How about first selling and then making?

[keen loom]

[eager spire]

sounds like modern game development to me, look at 2042

[remote kiln]

lol well this is actually a valid strategy just not for the empires of the gaming franchise

[tiny sable]

if i buy the year 1 pass, do i get to progress through the season 1 track? or are all those cosmetics unobtainable

[remote kiln]

no the season 1 track is over

[hexed mango]

you dont get the cosmetics, no

[arctic grove]

Yall got it

[hexed mango]

you can unlock the gadgets and gameplay stuff in S1 at any time, with or without the y1 pass

[tiny sable]

i noticed that much, i was just curious if i could still get all the old skins and stuff. that kinda sucks

good that the gameplay stuff is unlockable though

[remote kiln]

I dunno why folk are complaining tbh it's just a clone of siege nothing diff about it

[eager spire]

?

[hexed mango]

yeah, kinda the purpose of a battlepass is to have it be limited time, understandable confusion though, no worries

[remote kiln]

they sell yearly passes, you don't get the cosmetics from seasons you missed in it either

[eager spire]

i donno i find it dumb, especially considering how MCC does it.

[hexed mango]

basically a clone of any battlepass ever

[remote kiln]

yeah

[tiny sable]

yeah, some games are coming around on that, making battle passes accessible whenever

[hexed mango]

ig i should say most

[tiny sable]

i don't care much for halo infinite, but i LOVE that they do that

(then they made event battle passes that don't stick around)

[eager spire]

they do that on Infinite cause they do that on MCC, and i like that they do that on MCC.

[hexed mango]

tbh, im not the largest fan of battlepasses as a whole, but its not terrible either

[eager spire]

Battlepasses as a concept aren't bad, I don't care for like, premium battlepasses in paid games, like battlepasses you have to pay for after you've already paid for the game

[hexed mango]

i mean the premium battlepass is just cosmetics though... its not a requirement for gameplay

hence it doesnt really change anything

[remote kiln]

they are the most player efficient monetisation model that a game can have, for publishers, and gamers

[tiny sable]

i think it's fucked up that you can still buy the year 1 pass and you can't play the season 1 stuff

[eager spire]

i've also seen some fairly lackluster cosmetics in the battlepass, so i'm not sure where that money is going, really.

[hexed mango]

quite, they are a good concept

[remote kiln]

it's either that or we go back to the old days of gated content behind $20 paywalls

[eager spire]

Like, really, a black Irish beanie for Level 49?

[hexed mango]

shoulda bought the y1 pass before y1 started then

[hexed mango]

racism?

[remote kiln]

it's called a year, not a season pass lol

the season, for that year has passed

[eager spire]

no i mean a black beanie. :I

[hexed mango]

[eager spire]

...Oh no wait it's a grey beanie

not a black one.

[remote kiln]

this isn't a new concept Ubisoft have been doing it for years with siege

[eager spire]

Still, point stands, it's a bit weak as a cosmetic

[hexed mango]

fortnite

[remote kiln]

fortnite aswell

[tiny sable]

i'm pretty sure siege year passes aren't quite the same as this game

[hexed mango]

its pretty similar tho

[tiny sable]

they might have added a battle pass since i played, but operators were locked behind that pass, right?

[remote kiln]

no they are, you can't get the content from the prior battlepasses if you miss the season in siege

it's pretty straightforward

[eager spire]

Once Siege started selling multiple season passes i started to get a bit annoyed with it

[hexed mango]

i havent played seige in ages

[eager spire]

Especially since before then season passes meant you got all the content

[remote kiln]

the game is exceptional beyond bounds compared to every other shooter nowadays

[eager spire]

but now you don't, you gotta buy the pass for the year that the game exists

[tiny sable]

i don't know about siege, so i can't comment

[eager spire]

Also i don't like Siege in general.

It's not my kind of game.

[tiny sable]

i wouldn't have a problem if i could unlock the season 1 stuff if i buy the pass right now

[remote kiln]

that kinda defeats the points of a battle pass doesn't it

[tiny sable]

look at the two halo games

[eager spire]

yeah but you kind of can't so it makes the fact that you've spent the money on the pass pretty stupid

kinda just wasted your money

[hexed mango]

cards

[remote kiln]

MCC? ok they don't sell yearly passes

[tiny sable]

i dont like FOMO shit, that's my big deal

that exists in free-to-play and paid games

[hexed mango]

then dont miss out

[remote kiln]

it is kinda your own fault tbh DICE announced a year ago how the content was going to work

it isn't like they just said oh yeah by the way you don't get it

[tiny sable]

yeah im not gonna say i'm in the wrong for not participating when i did

well i don't know if they said that you WOULDN'T be able to do season 1 stuff once season 2 started

[remote kiln]

they did

it's been crystal clear

[tiny sable]

me asking in here was the first time i got any confirmation of that

[hexed mango]

they did

[tiny sable]

shoot me a link, i completely missed it on the website and all that

[remote kiln]

the ultimate edition was preordable 15 months ago, and that's when they detailed how the content would work

so you're kinda late

[eager spire]

Considering that, the fact that they still sell the Year 1 pass still doesn't make a lot of sense because buying it is an absolute waste of money.

[remote kiln]

the price doesn't make too much sense tbh should regress at least per season but w/e

[eager spire]

Also, i'm not a big fan of this whole "well you missed out so don't next time" schtick here, not everyone can just afford games the moment they come out, you know.

[remote kiln]

you didn't need to buy the game to know it

they're asking now it was communicated over a year ago

[tiny sable]

i was looking for specific wording all over about whether or not cosmetics would be unobtainable after that season ended and i couldn't find a thing

[arctic grove]

its pretty well established that this is how season passes work, based on examples of the many games that have them, with few doing it slightly differently

honestly its not like you are missing anything, cosmetics really aren't a big deal at all

[hexed mango]

https://www.ea.com/games/battlefield/battlefield-2042/game-overview/economy-of-battlefield

But as you battle away, you will also progress through your Battle Pass of the current Season – which brings us to the next section.

[arctic grove]

and its likely that some of them may pop up in the shop in future if DICE decide to do that for players that come back to the game in later seasons

[tiny sable]

yeah im not TOO upset about it

i just felt spoiled with the halo games, i was hoping more developers would take that approach

[eager spire]

yeah and that's the thing, IF DICE decide to. They could very well not. It wouldn't be the first time that DICE have just refused to make certain cosmetics available again after their initial release. BF1 had that happen with some of it's skins.

[tiny sable]

fair enough

[arctic grove]

if not, you can always make a request on the EA forums or give it as feedback, best to ask anyway

if it doesn't happen then blame dice

add it to the list of things they are doing wrong lmao

[tiny sable]

i'm not gonna expend a bunch of effort trying to convince them to do it, just not worth it

[hexed mango]

then it specifies separately:

All new gameplay-related content such as Specialists, weapons, vehicles, and so on will be free for all Battlefield 2042 players. This content can be unlocked through the Battle Pass. If you should miss the content rolled out in one Season, you can still unlock it at a later stage.

basically, the progression in the battlepass from tier 0 - 100 is limited to the current battlepass, but gameplay-related content is separate (as in it can be gained later)

[tiny sable]

that page would have been nice to find lol

i checked the battle pass page from the top of the site, checked some FAQs

[hexed mango]

if you wonder where i found it

[arctic grove]

well its on them to do it, if they don't then thats their loss. The content is already made and they'd be losing opportunities for revenue by not making it available again.

[tiny sable]

🙇‍♂️

[eager spire]

yeah, i know.

[thick shadow]

Is it normal for system requirements regarding games to appear incorrectly?

[arctic grove]

if they'd planned it right, they could have had a page go up in the store immediately on the S2 launch with bundles of all the S1 content for those who didn't complete all of it or missed it entirely

[eager spire]

Honestly, I'm not sure what would be so hard about making it so that owning the Year 1 pass allows for progression to count towards previous battlepasses as well as the current one so you get more unlocks and stuff to get, but i'm not a game developer. Nor do i work at EA.

[arctic grove]

eh, they just don't care enough

[remote kiln]

because they would be defrauding their playerbase that's why

[eager spire]

Which is probably good, because I would probably get fired from EA

[eager spire]

how would that be defrauding?

[remote kiln]

because they are lying about what the content consumers are purchasing gives

[hexed mango]

maybe, but the seasons are an incentive for players to play for rewards that are exclusive

[remote kiln]

it's illegal to market exclusivity for a paid product then magically take it away

[hexed mango]

which is good for player retention

[eager spire]

could just be timed exclusivity.

[remote kiln]

it's pretty clear it's permanent exclusivity

it says right there in their official announcement

[eager spire]

it could've been not that though.

[remote kiln]

?

[eager spire]

like they could've just not done that

[remote kiln]

but they did lol

so how do you expect them to go back on it

[eager spire]

yeah and i feel like it would've been better if they didn't

[arctic grove]

as in they are higher or lower than they should be? many games don't really do their recommended system requirements very well, mostly just, 'can this game run at a playable framerate (30 fps or more, at low-medium) with this hardware, keep going lower until it drops below that minimum expected performance limit'. But that doesn't take into account other factors.

[remote kiln]

I bought the ultimate edition because I knew the features were exclusive for the battle pass, whether it's important or not is irrelevant

[arctic grove]

mhm and we know 2042 definitely needs that right now

[remote kiln]

they can't magically revert it now

[eager spire]

i'm not really expecting them to do anything about that, i'm just saying it would've been a good idea.

[hexed mango]

lol yeah

[remote kiln]

exclusivity drives sales, I'm not really sure what you're expecting

[arctic grove]

It wouldve been good to add portal maps. Portal is dead in the water for now.

[tiny sable]

in my opinion, dice needs to win over the fans

and more exclusivity isn't gonna help that

[thick shadow]

I might've misinterpreted what I was trying to say, basically I'm confused about why a game that I own appears to be 164GB while it's literally just around 60-80gb

[hexed mango]

perhaps, idk what ripple effect is doing rn

[arctic grove]

Ripple Effect are too busy fucking around with the guns and fumbling to move them into AOW on DICEs instruction

[eager spire]

games generally get larger over time due to updates

[tiny sable]

though i doubt there's a whole lot of outrage over battle pass cosmetic stuff

[eager spire]

It's typical.

[hexed mango]

tbh as much as portal is cool, i kinda wish Ripple Effect, Dice and Criterion all worked together on AoW for a while to fix important stuff and add content

[thick shadow]

That's the issue, it's cod ww2 I'm referring to lmao

[arctic grove]

In my opinion dice needs to work their asses off and put actual hard work and effort in 2042 and the next BF game.

[rustic root]

FIX portal like add bf4 maps

[remote kiln]

reserved capacity, the advertised storage content is also including future content that may need to be downloaded at a later time

[hexed mango]

tbh, i would rather have more 2042 maps per season

[eager spire]

I kinda wish Portal was made as it's own thing.

Instead of being a mode in 2042

[rustic root]

those charts ain’t rising up for a while

[arctic grove]

yeah the games get bigger over time, modern warfare warzone ballooned to multiple hundreds of gigabytes after many updates

[hexed mango]

tbh, again not that i think its bad, but i think it shouldnt of have been made at all

the only reason i say that, is again not cause its bad, but because AoW desperately needed more development. more content, more modes, more thinking.

same and especially more so for HZ

[eager spire]

I personally think Hazard Zone didn't need to exist full stop

[arctic grove]

Funny how DICE LA (Ripple Effect) is supposed to be an experienced dev team. I just wish they had more help or at least left alone to work exclusively on Portal.

[tiny sable]

i saw those posts comparing how many maps BF4 got in a year's time compared to BF2042

it's wild

[rustic root]

hazard mode is just a fail version of tarkov and battle royal

[hexed mango]

[remote kiln]

yeah except you're paying out your wallet for those maps lol

[hexed mango]

tbh it itself is fun, but it shouldnt of been made (especially after fire zone)

[remote kiln]

they're free in 2042

[arctic grove]

Clash Royale moment

[rustic root]

it should have never been added or be in the game

[eager spire]

Literally nobody cares about Hazard Zone.

[errant scarab]

hihihiha

[tiny sable]

good point. i forgot how awful paid map packs were back in the day in how it splintered the player base

[arctic grove]

Exactly lmao

[arctic grove]

I think they are, they just got lumped with a job that they weren't expecting and are probably having a fun time fucking around with DICEs shitty code for AOW and trying to make the 'new' vault guns play nice

[hexed mango]

i know a few people

[rustic root]

i just want naval fire fights now

like paracel storm

and the megladon map from bf4

[remote kiln]

I was one of the players who bought premium for 3 and 4 when they released and saw the playerbase fragment into its own little communities within a month of each dlc

[eager spire]

i'm sure those people would just rather play Tarkov instead but can't afford it.

[arctic grove]

Wait

[hexed mango]

parcel storm is the megalodon map

[arctic grove]

Paracel 128CQ would work Tbh

Can we sink the navy ships???

[remote kiln]

it was absolutely terrible for finding servers with

[rustic root]

no the other one

[eager spire]

Also, I fucking hate Paracel Storm.

[rustic root]

the Dlc map

[eager spire]

The storm was a cool aesthetic thing but it just absolutely fucks up the audio.

[hexed mango]

https://tenor.com/oZ5l.gif

[rustic root]

that one ya

[hexed mango]

im pretty sure that's parcel

[arctic grove]

Wait

[remote kiln]

no

[arctic grove]

But like

[rustic root]

paracel storm has a darker megladon

[arctic grove]

Ok nvm

[arctic grove]

Sadge

[arctic grove]

we probably won't get any real naval content for 2042, other than maybe just some basic ass boats on some canals or rivers on one the next maps

Very sadge

[rustic root]

no

that’s not paracel storm

[arctic grove]

That's shipment

[remote kiln]

that is paracel storm lol

[arctic grove]

they had some great opportunities to go all in on naval warfare in 2042 and haven't done anything yet, even just swimming in water is kinda jank and has been since the beta

Shipment

[eager spire]

I think that could've easily been solved by including premium with every purchase of the game after all the DLC and the next game come out.

[thick shadow]

So it seems, although it's weird that cod ww2 (which is the game I'm referring to) is a fat 164gb whenever I download it. So I looked it up and it appears to be 90 to 100gb with all dlc content combined, so no clue where those extra 64gb came from

[hexed mango]

hmmmmmmmmmmm

[arctic grove]

no idea dude

War thunder>Bf 2042

[hexed mango]

nah

[rustic root]

if it was paracel storm u would see big windmills

and a destroyed USS ship

[remote kiln]

then you're paying $80-100 for the cost at base, so it doesn't change anything

[eager spire]

I mean i paid $20 for Hardline with all the DLC.

[arctic grove]

When are they adding gunships and shit?

Or bombers?

[remote kiln]

battlefield 3 and 4 premium was $40

[thick shadow]

Eh its no biggie tbh, fuck that game

[hexed mango]

stealth bomber intensifies

[remote kiln]

and they released a decade ago now

[arctic grove]

I really wanna see some kind of futuristic A-10

[eager spire]

yeah well they could probably stand to fuckin discount it after all the DLC's out and the next game's out.

[arctic grove]

F

[rustic root]

it’s either nanasha strike map

[arctic grove]

Fr?

It's not a skin?

[hexed mango]

a helicopter, yes

[arctic grove]

Oh

L

[remote kiln]

I think people need to realign their expectations lol each dlc was $10 and had 4 maps, that's $2.5/map, literally excellent value

[hexed mango]

werent dlcs 15?

[thick shadow]

I don't even know where to access the A-10, been told it was US vehicle spawn in portal

[remote kiln]

you can't magically reduce the cost

[hexed mango]

i dont remember actually

[remote kiln]

I'm going by premium rather than base price

[eager spire]

like i said i bought Hardline with all the DLC's for $20.

[hexed mango]

ah

[eager spire]

So yes they can.

[remote kiln]

hardline was also a shell of a game compared to every other game in the franchise

[arctic grove]

Portal looks fun

I don't even remember how much I spent buying BF4 and all the DLC a few years ago, got it a lot cheaper, but it was still fairly pricy

[remote kiln]

it wasn't even developed by DICE lol

[rustic root]

i already miss the c100

[arctic grove]

And it is easily accessible right?

[eager spire]

It was still a whole game.

[hexed mango]

its mainly 1000% hc rush servers

[rustic root]

knife

[arctic grove]

I saw some coding shit I didn't want

[eager spire]

Played much like BF4 with unique mechanics.

[hexed mango]

you dont have to do that yourself

[remote kiln]

so you're comparing a game that the battlefield developers didn't even make?

[arctic grove]

Naw I just wanna recreate some battles with bots

[hexed mango]

the block code is only for advanced stuff

[remote kiln]

come on man lol

[eager spire]

Yes.

[remote kiln]

this is why hardline should never have existed

[rustic root]

if bf4 had 2042 movement i guess it’s modern warfare

[hexed mango]

thats just a click of a button then

[rustic root]

Battlefield Modern warfare 2

[arctic grove]

And vehicles?

What's the limit?

[hexed mango]

i believe 24 per side, but if you disable passengers, like 50

i can check

[arctic grove]

HELL YEAH

[eager spire]

Hell, right now you can buy BF4, BF1, and BFV with all the DLC for like $22 on Steam.

[arctic grove]

BF2042 IS WAYYYYY BETTER THAN COD

[remote kiln]

because they've been out, literally for years now

[thick shadow]

The drivable couch was S-tier

[rustic root]

i’d enjoy bf4 while servers are up

[remote kiln]

you're comparing 2 totally different things

[rustic root]

it’s like a daily mission Apex stuff

[eager spire]

yeah and that's what i'm saying. After all the DLC's out and the next game is out, just make the game and it's DLC cheap. People will buy it and be able to run servers with the DLC stuff.

[remote kiln]

sorry bud can't have dlc level content like 3 and 4 and magically expect a discount

[eager spire]

More people will be able to play it.

[hexed mango]

48 total (24 each side)

[eager spire]

And it would be good publicity, it's a win-win.

[hexed mango]

without passenger seats, 52 total

[rustic root]

people were pissed when Phantom bow was being handed weapon in operation community

[remote kiln]

they already do make them cheap

[rustic root]

🤣

[remote kiln]

3 and 4 were literally free

[eager spire]

the phantom bow is a meme weapon

[rustic root]

like damn y’all selfish

[hexed mango]

@arctic grove

[eager spire]

yeah from On The House years ago, i know that.

[rustic root]

but the dog tag remains

[remote kiln]

no not just on the house

[thick shadow]

I'm at a loss here, what're you doing?

[remote kiln]

they reran the free content multiple times

[rustic root]

for premium members

[hexed mango]

showing @arctic grove portal customization

he asked what the vehicle limit was

[thick shadow]

Wtf

How

[hexed mango]

wtf wtf?

[thick shadow]

52 people on a quad bike bruh

[hexed mango]

doesnt count in-world vehicles

[arctic grove]

the clown-quadbike

[rustic root]

now make that a big limo

[eager spire]

Oh also i did get BF3 for free from EA but it didn't include premium, i literally bought that from a reseller for cheap for Venice Unleashed.

[thick shadow]

Each person needs to aim in every direction

[eager spire]

What a waste of time that was.

[rustic root]

how many people would use that for ground transport

[rustic root]

MV-38 is a cool design but BFBC blackhawk reigns supreme

[hexed mango]

why would you compare it to a blackhawk

[rustic root]

both are transport helicopters

[hexed mango]

yeah but condor is basically an osprey

[thick shadow]

I'd love to ride ranger dog on the back while shooting every hacker man I see in 2042

[rustic root]

for me it felt like a PMC vibe on condor

i like the Bad company more

[thick shadow]

Condor blue

[remote kiln]

we've already got riding drones in 2042 the dogs would just be the non flying counterpart

[rustic root]

never liked the chopper control in the 2042 game

[hexed mango]

isnt pmc more of a cargo thing? idk

[rustic root]

it felt very…wamp

[thick shadow]

I can see being able to ride the dogs more than those drones tbh

[rustic root]

private military

[remote kiln]

you should see the jet controls

[rustic root]

i guess so idk

[remote kiln]

flying a non flyable vehicle

[thick shadow]

What

My batain

Tf

[rustic root]

never in my mind would fly a jet Made my EA

playing battlefront 2 is a different story

[hexed mango]

well ea didnt make it technically speaking

[rustic root]

i just love spinning

[remote kiln]

it's stupid the f35 in battlefield 4 is perfectly fine

[thick shadow]

Nobody would, especially because you'll have to pay $15 everytime you select the aircraft during a game

[remote kiln]

but no we've got DICE listening to the vehicles too op crowd as per usual

[rustic root]

wait huh?

$15 for a aircraft

[thick shadow]

It's a joke about EA being greedy for money lol

[hexed mango]

its a joke

[eager spire]

yeah most people tend to not realize that flying shit like jets and helis and doing really well in them takes a lot of effort and practice and there's a reason there's a whole community around those kinda players.

[rustic root]

oh i was gonna say

I’ll just walk dafq

[thick shadow]

LMAO

SAME

[eager spire]

It's one of those things that BF4 did really well and then every other game just kind of stopped doing that because people hated being put against good players.

[remote kiln]

nah just give the AA 800M lock on ranges fuck the jet users

DICE logic

[rustic root]

i ain’t paying $15 for a damn helicopter deployment

[eager spire]

Which is what they also did when they nerfed slide in BF1

[hexed mango]

this is why i love stranded BT though, its just fun as infantry, and not having to walk 1000km to the next objective

[eager spire]

DICE really just doesn't care for good players.

which makes sense since apparently the community doesn't either.

[remote kiln]

the mobile AA has to be removed tbh make it static in the spawns as in 3

[rustic root]

they care for streamers

[remote kiln]

they definitely don't lol

[eager spire]

No they don't, not if they're good at the game.

[rustic root]

whiny streamer who play ahem apex

[thick shadow]

God I'd love to have those AA back in spawns

[remote kiln]

DICE have had nothing for scorn for battlefields competitive players for multiple games over the franchise

and nothings changed with 2042

[eager spire]

I kind of hate the idea that streamers who have strong opinions about things are whiny

[rustic root]

i feel like streamers only want attention

[thick shadow]

This is off topic but i dislike ninja

[rustic root]

and once the camera is off they want more

[remote kiln]

boy wonder how call of duty has multi million dollar competitive leagues and battlefield has nothing

[rustic root]

oh no ur fine

[remote kiln]

sure is a mystery

[rustic root]

i hate ninja too

[eager spire]

Like, there are people who have played Battlefield at a higher level than the majority of people. Obviously they're gonna know more than them. There's nothing wrong with them using those experiences to inform their opinions about things.

[rustic root]

but his talking of “When he shot on my back” i was laughing

🤣

like bruh u good

[remote kiln]

nah nah they're just trying to be elitist and hate casuals something something even if they don't know what they're talking about, listen to the casuals

[rustic root]

did u uhhh

[thick shadow]

Dude literally called epicgames to ban a guy for killing him

[eager spire]

2042 had like, a single tournament, a 4v4 Rush tournament, i think.

[rustic root]

streamers thing they are chosen ones

i feel like that’s A homelander attitude

[eager spire]

But the casuals don't understand the game.

So how can they possibly know what's best for it?

[remote kiln]

I have more respect for a streamer who plays this game and puts up with DICEs bs, than most other players that's for sure lol

[eager spire]

I have respect for a streamer who speaks their mind.

[remote kiln]

./s

[eager spire]

oh

you were being sarcastic.

I'm sorry i couldn't tell.

[hexed mango]

i dont have respect for streamers

[remote kiln]

👍

[rustic root]

i like the small streamer community

[eager spire]

It's the kind of shit i've seen unironically way too much, you gotta understand.

[rustic root]

rather then the twitch dudes

who rank top leaderboard

[thick shadow]

Small streamers tend to just try and enjoy the game for what it is

[remote kiln]

it's not like the top streamers have a choice in the matter anyways

[eager spire]

There's a difference between trying to enjoy the game for what it is, and actively denying it's problems.

[rustic root]

but the valorant and top big streamers for entertainment

[remote kiln]

people watch them because they are highly skilled on the leaderboards

maintaining that position is way more difficult than just enjoying something

[rustic root]

this isn’t the big league buddy

u ain’t getting money from this win

but ur fans still donates

[eager spire]

Talent is worthless unless exercised.

[rustic root]

what’s next on twitch

onlyF models joining with twitch

for younger audiences

[thick shadow]

Denying it's problems are for those content creators that have a partnership with the company involved with the game. How many times have you seen problems with an installment and the content creator talking about the game just praises everything like it's a product without any issues

[eager spire]

Way too many.

[rustic root]

a lot

[arctic grove]

they pretty much do anyway

the just chatting category has blown up in the last few years especially

all the shit that happened with the swimming pool streams and all those weird trends of 'creators' getting half naked and writing on their bodies on a supposedly SFW game streaming site

[eager spire]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Bit of a hot take from me but I personally can't imagine caring enough about this to worry about it.

Like i'm not the kinda person to watch it but at the same time i'm not really in the business of policing what other people spend their time doing.

[arctic grove]

I just don't think its the right place for it, but of course twitch allows it because it makes them money

[eager spire]

I mean what other streaming site are they gonna go to for that.

honestly.

[arctic grove]

I have no issue with sex workers and the likes, but there has to be a clear distinction between which sites they operate on and which remain safe for all audiences

[arctic grove]

yeah and thats the issue with it, its allowed and it works, and theres nowhere else they can go, if they go to regular camsites, they won't be showing enough

[rustic root]

twitch programmers are just not getting action at home

🤣

[eager spire]

You gotta understand, a lot of people fucking hate sex workers. Running a site dedicated to that invites a lot of risk and it's hard to find people who would even finance that.

[rustic root]

and wish they can

[arctic grove]

Oh I know

shitty world being shitty, im well aware

[rustic root]

2012 was the end of the world

now ik what they meant

[arctic grove]

normally I wouldn't care, because honestly I don't care much about babying under 18s online, but there are genuine issues there that have arisen

so many content creators have dark sides and have turned out to be creeps and pervs, and we definitely shouldn't be creating environments where they can perpetuate that and benefit from it

[eager spire]

yeah i know. It's one of those issues that's really difficult to actually solve.

[rustic root]

the future is now old man

[eager spire]

There's no simple solution for it, you know?

[rustic root]

🤣

[arctic grove]

yep

[eager spire]

Anyone who claims there is, is either ignorant or uncaring about other consequences of whatever their "solution" is.

[arctic grove]

generally im just against the overly personal nature of twitch chat and creator-viewer relationships because it breeds unhealthy individuals, but again it isn't going to stop

twitch was a major paradigm shift in content creation, and it allows a much closer connection between creator and viewer than what came before, and ways that can be exploited for nefarious reasons or monetary gain

[rustic root]

twitch is just autistic people thinking the world revolts on their favorite twitch streamers

[arctic grove]

youtube itself was and is much different because the only interaction you had was comments, but there was never any acknowledgement that those comments had been read or seen, obviously until they fairly recently added the heart thing

[rustic root]

basically a new breed of karen /kyle

[eager spire]

i'd ask what the fuck you mean but frankly i don't think i care enough.

[rustic root]

i remember the old days diversity wasnt a big deal

now it is

seen the new lil mermaid 🤣

ohhhh man

[eager spire]

ah you're one of those.

[arctic grove]

Theres' a constant fight going on, as to who the responsibility of protecting young people should fall to, the businesses and corporations running the platforms, or the parents/carers, and there are good arguments on both sides. But even beyond that, there's whole extra layers of nuance that cannot be accounted for.

[eager spire]

now i'm justified in not giving a shit.

[arctic grove]

Anyway

[arctic grove]

thats not really relevant to the twitch convo my dude

and also a shit take

[eager spire]

this guy was probably one of the people that was really mad when they added women into BFV

[rustic root]

haven’t play bfv

[eager spire]

considering your opinion i'm not surprised.

[rustic root]

trailer looks cool

but was too broke to afford

[keen loom]

[eager spire]

hi bacon.

[arctic grove]

okay its almost 4AM

I should probably sleep

[rustic root]

sleep

[eager spire]

i think i'm gonna go sleep in a bit as well

[rustic root]

what’s that

[keen loom]

[arctic grove]

Nice name. I too simp for them 2

[rustic root]

the only lis skin i have the one that looks like zofia

both a barret

i want the S1 100 lis

[proud gorge]

Dozer funny

Shield go bonk

They die

[rustic root]

it’s police brutality

once he activated his riot control

[proud gorge]

Nah

Combat zone

They asking for it

[rustic root]

STOP RISISTING

STOP RESISTING!

[marsh helm]

ngl Dozer is pretty much useless , remeber when the specialist trailer came out , people scream like "omg op shield" duh

[rustic root]

and doom guy did an experiment

on a tank vs dozer shield

🤣

man was jesus with his shield

[keen loom]

Oh yeah when he use to stop a tank with his shield

[rustic root]

he was like “I HAVE YOU IN THE PALM OF MY HANDS”

[keen loom]

[arctic grove]

Lol did any of you see the late EA EMAIL about “positive play” in 2042 . This company is going even more woke than before

[marsh helm]

paik also the same , she is only good in the new map

[rustic root]

mommy

ㅑ 재물 ㅔ먀ㅏ

[open tangle]

This new iPhone feature is so good

[rustic root]

Warzone mobile is coming soon

[marsh helm]

nahh i really dont like br like game

[open tangle]

Gtfo

[rustic root]

it is

[open tangle]

I don’t care

[keen loom]

The best one yet

[open tangle]

Who plays on their phone and Warzone

[rustic root]

ur an early bird

👀

me

[open tangle]

Jesus

[rustic root]

when i’m not home

[keen loom]

[open tangle]

I didn’t know you were 14

[eager spire]

imagine being mad that there's some expectation to not be a dickhead on the internet

[rustic root]

sadly 22 but it’s whatever

[eager spire]

imagine.

[rustic root]

👀

[open tangle]

It just how it works out sometimes

[rustic root]

pronounce

oh ffs this is cursed

[eager spire]

like damn mate you're pressed that now you're gonna be expected to be a decent person on the internet, that must be really hard for you.

[arctic grove]

Go woke go broke

Game suffers

[eager spire]

cringe.

[marsh helm]

i've already seen people say ground war of nmw2 is what bf should be , yeah just like when nmw came out and said gw is what bfv should be

[keen loom]

[sharp marten]

I wouldn’t listen to cod players they’re super bias

[rustic root]

ground war didn’t even have planes

and defibrillator

[eager spire]

like i hate to break it to you but 2042 has a lot bigger problems than DICE wanting people to be decent people in-game

like that's not even approaching the level of something that's worth complaining about mate

like that should just be basic human decency, you know?

ah

your opinion is worthless.

good to know.

[rustic root]

plus if i was medic in ground war i be double timing reviving people just to die

[arctic grove]

So tolerant 😂

[sharp marten]

💀 who hurt you dawg

[rustic root]

the world

[marsh helm]

women = sjw , k gamer moment

[eager spire]

wanting people to be nice = also sjw, apparently

[rustic root]

i want the toxic players back

[marsh helm]

it's just a character , grow up

[eager spire]

didn't know your mother was an sjw, she'd probably be disappointed in you.

[keen loom]

[eager spire]

[yawn]