technology

[prime jasper]

Hai

[cyan musk]

someone with no self awareness lol

look at his about me and enjoy the irony

also funny how someone essentially bragging about their luck feels like they can tell someone off for pointing out anything about their gains. like...uh...at least they're actually thinking and not just bragging about their possessions (which we're all a slave to, apparently. but not him)

on a normal note, i think we're just gonna have to get used to higher wattage GPUs. eventually, GPUs and shit will become 3 dimensional, likely requiring more power than ever before

at least we wont need heaters anymore, just need to play some crysis

[prime jasper]

At least you know that others are a slave to their possessions, and I am not 🙂 Glad you at least got that out of it.

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-navi31-flagship-rdna3-gpu-could-hit-92-tflops-of-fp32-performance-four-times-more-than-navi21#disqus_thread

4x more fp32 performance than 6900XT

[red rune]

Hey guys I have a GPU RX 590 serious looking for monitor under about 250 anything under 165 hz is fine with 24 or 27 inch peer curved or not is fine just something that fits to my gpu standards

I do own a https://us.msi.com/Monitor/Optix-MAG273R2/Overview

Just bought it yesterday but think about returning it. Excuses it doesn’t have and free sync

Only for Nividia

Because on lots of games it looked very sharp or pixelated kind of untill I turn on the HDR

Just don’t know if that’s to much for my pc sines my gpu is kinda old that would fit my amd rx590 series maybe get something cheaper

[steep bear]

Hi

I have a question

Well not really a question I just need help

Im considering directly building my pc rather than scavenging sketchy websites for prebuilt pc s

And I was wondering if somebody could give me tips/ help me

[humble iris]

Facts right here, I have to close my heater vent in the winter time. And have an extra A/C for summer if gaming.

[humble iris]

This is a huge breakthrough. I'm glad I didn't break and build a 12th gen. Still waiting for Sapphire Rapids X or HEDT from Intel, May have to tough it out a while longer. 8 years on current PC. But I have to overclock all core to 4GHZ 20-Threads to run Cubase 12 / Neural DSP / HALion / Groove Agent / etc. at 48khz / 32 sample rate at 0.5ms Latency which is really good, but that's at 4 GHZ. So My PC is starting to feel the age now that I have started using these VST3 plugins for guitar.

[quick locust]

Ask around if you want to

[quick locust]

Yeah, about time from Intel. But they both have this and Foveros working fine

[humble iris]

May main tip is to make a list of all the things you will be using the PC for. Like gaming, types of games, Video Editing, Audio production, etc...

programs you will be using, or are you just wondering where to purchase parts?

Newegg, or Amazon is all I have, or BestBuy local, which is no ballpark

[quick locust]

Battlemagw gpus are beginning of intel tiled gpus so that is soon too

[humble iris]

It's starting to look very nice.

When I finally upgrade it's going to feel so good. Waiting this long has been hard to do, very tempting to build a new PC, but I promised myself to make it last.

And I'm glad I did

[quick locust]

My cpu is 5 yrs old but still fine enough

But finally big jumps

[steep bear]

It’s mostly for gaming

I have an old computer but it’s starting to work bad

I have a pretty good budget 2k

[cursive ermine]

Upgrade to playstation 2

[steep bear]

Xd

[humble iris]

Yeah hardware can last if you want it to, and not get caught up in the hype. I did upgrade my CPU to a 6950x back in Dec. so it's only 6 years old tech, but got it for $200 where it was $1000 when I built my PC. So I have a 5930K as well. I got one of those scratch and dent marked up NEW CPUs and it's been 100% solid.

[cyan musk]

til 6950x exists

oh the Intel one

[humble iris]

I thought about upgrading my old X58 for the fun of it, with a Westmere XEON but I have re-solder some stuff to make it support it, and void my warranty

[humble iris]

Yeah i7-6950X

It lacks mostly in Single-Thread Performance.

Still a great Multi-Thread Performer but thats why I'm having issues with Audio production. I'm really stressing it out with Cubase. and Plugins

Ebay removed it from my purchase history. Weird

[molten flame]

[quick locust]

He can do intel 6950X with rx 6950XT now

[halcyon zodiac]

[humble iris]

lol

I think maybe my CPU is fine. I just get crackles sometimes and it's annoying. https://www.pcegaming.com/images_blog/cubase1.png

This is at stock clock with 4 amp sims, and a drum plugin.

[toxic wigeon]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRTrtBmWQAAZd_F?format=jpg&name=small

Thought to post this here since it's relevant haha.

[quick locust]

Mine coil whines all the time

Didn't used to, but does now

[prime jasper]

My pc is a jet engine

[molten flame]

Wonder if coil whine that develops overtime is caused by hardware expanding and shrinking from temperature changes

[pale quartz]

nah

whilst PC components get hot, coil whine itself isn't involved with expansions in heat, unknown to most is hardware is deliberately expanded with heat production around 2000 times before they ever make it to retail to test their durability

it's mostly down to inductors over time degrading in efficiency for output, hence more power is piped through the inductors to make up the difference, which is why you hear it progressively get louder

[molten flame]

Would overclocking degrade inductors faster?

[latent pebble]

Corsair K70 Red Switches Rapid fire or the Logitech G815 Tactile switches

[midnight crypt]

whatever you prefer

[latent pebble]

Using a g502 mouse btw

Im lost between the two

[mild bough]

got my ssd a couple of months ago, how do i change it to be my main drive? So my windows files would be over on that drive instead of my slow ass hdd

[quick locust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnvxSkqJ8ic&ab_channel=GamersNexus

[pale quartz]

depends on what part specifically

a GPU, assuming youre using a shunt mod you definitely will degrade the efficiency faster as the power consumption becomes more or less ridiculous

[pale quartz]

you cant simply change it your main drive, what you will need to do is unplug the HDD and flash windows to the SSD, then delete the old installation present on the hard drive

and move the other stuff over

[humble iris]

Wow, someone who gives proper advice on installing a new SSD 👍 . Most would have said to clone or restore from HDD to SSD.

[honest sandal]

Delete everything and start over

[humble iris]

Yup that's the best way, but some things are meant to keep.

Mine is amazingly more complicated.

Tons of programs that must properly deactivated, and backed up. Luckily my Backup software makes a single image that can later be run as VM so I can re-visit it if I need to get something or deactivate something for reactivating on a new OS.

[pale quartz]

very terrible idea to do in general

you bring over legacy API detections that windows used for that specific drive onto your new one, which leads to well.. slowdowns, data corruption, failures what not

[humble iris]

Couldn't agree more.

[honest sandal]

My computer gets indiscriminately formatted every 3-9 months

[humble iris]

It takes me a year to get mine setup

[pale quartz]

UEFI keys will almost certainly hate you for transferring between drives aswell as the TPM keys will end up resetting

[honest sandal]

Takes me like 2 hours

I read TPM as TPMS (tire pressure monitoring system) that’s on cars and was super confused for a minute

[pale quartz]

old man eyes

[honest sandal]

https://youtu.be/vy6seqOQIVQ

[humble iris]

I have so many programs, plugins, a ton of software. I install as I need it.

initial setup is like 20 minutes

[honest sandal]

My pc is just a toy anything important is on my Mac, and backed up

[humble iris]

Yeah I'm thinking about doing Multiple PCs, but I hate switching back and forth, and I hate using a laptop. It's just more convenient to have everything on 1 PC

[honest sandal]

understandable

if you have 2 monitors there's this https://symless.com/synergy

[humble iris]

WTH

Windows installed on 11/22/2020

[pale quartz]

the internal horror I felt when somewhere I'm interviewing for said they will give me a Mac to use was real

[honest sandal]

awwh

deco doesn't know how to use a real OS for work?

j/k though

whatever os you're more comfortable in works

I've been using mac for work since 2015

so it's what i work best with

[pale quartz]

thing is I wouldn't mind, if it meant it wasn't impossible for me to use my own rig cause of it

[honest sandal]

this was long before WSL and etc was a thing

[humble iris]

I won't touch a mac, for the same reason I'm about done with Windows.

[honest sandal]

all my servers run linux, but when it comes to using my computer windows for gaming, osx for anything productive

but to each their own

[pale quartz]

"you know back in my day we all used Linux for servers it's the most optimal solution you kids with your WSL really ought just to use the thing that works"

[honest sandal]

i used a linux desktop for years

^^

use what you're comfortable in

[humble iris]

Yup used Linux always back in the day

Linux Apache

[pale quartz]

I could tolerate Mac for work if I could cross compile into the same JAR from my main rig for it but no instead I need to deal with apple's bs no developer station allowed unless you register so I will grit my teeth through it

[honest sandal]

i've been using linux since like... 2002?

[humble iris]

1999 for me

[honest sandal]

oh you're one of the few people in here older than me

[humble iris]

50 this year

[honest sandal]

yeah im 32 this year

you got a couple years on me

[pale quartz]

we young folk can teach you pensioners a lot

[honest sandal]

we can teach you WHIPPER SNAPPERS TO STAY OFF OUR DAMN LAWN

[humble iris]

we old folk paved the way for you yungins

[honest sandal]

yues

[humble iris]

I respect my elders, they made what we have built upon

[pale quartz]

true now we need to deal with a horribly written linux kernel because "its used everywhere"

[humble iris]

I struggle with a lot of things I see as unnecessary or backwards advances.

like what used to be 1 click is now 3 for no reason

I used to edit my webpages with a single right click-edit now its whole 4 steps to

And now off to install a new dishwasher, the manual one is getting a little antsy.

[pale quartz]

you know an interesting observation i learned last week

its always people your age who are fiercely opposed to any kind of code automation

[honest sandal]

weird

not me

my whole job is automation

literally my entire purpose

i've yet to automate myself out of a job

and i sure as hell have tried

[pale quartz]

thats easy

you should be retired at your age already

[molten flame]

[honest sandal]

no i just make more and money doing less work teaching youngins like you how to do their job better @pale quartz

[pale quartz]

[honest sandal]

But really a big part of what I do anymore is mentorship

Helping junior and mid level engineers grow, how to become senior level, how to play the workplace politics etc

[cyan musk]

making more money for less work seems remarkably common. yet that truth seems to be conveniently ignored when certain related things come into question

[pale quartz]

"how to become senior level" = "can you do this djistrakas algorithm in reverse, also get me a coffee, if you cant do the algorithm you'll need to write it out in binary instead, and also explain to me how this applies in a topological format, failure to do these will result in you losing your current job for performance reasons"

[prime jasper]

Or just quit working and retire🧠

[quick locust]

https://tenor.com/view/think-emoji-thonk-meme-gif-11987860

[eager sun]

Ive seen someone say that its safer to use windows 7 than windows 10 because windows 7 doesnt get updates anymore and that means microsoft already solved all security issues

[quick locust]

yes very logic

[marsh gull]

fax tho fr

its not like theres always new vulnerabilities and new viruses all the time

[molten flame]

You risk getting hacked almost instantly connecting a Windows 7 computer to internet

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-rdna3-gpus-get-new-toned-down-specifications-navi-31-with-up-to-12288-stream-processors

RDNA3 probably gonna be released with cut-down chips

Since RDNA3 is so well-equipped, there may be no reason to release fully enabled chips

Probably will play out like this:
2022 launch: RX 7900XT with 12288 shaders
2023 refresh: RX 7950XT with full 15360 shaders

[floral magnet]

can someone tell why i i still get lag spike /fps spike i have a amd Radoen Rx 6600 xt and my cpu is i7-9700

[idle dust]

can you use any LIPO charger with 3.7 V single-cell (1S) LIPOs?

it's from a mini drone.

[fallen harbor]

hi handsomes

anybody knows whats the cheapest am4 mobo with m.2 compatibility?

[storm osprey]

pcpartpicker.com

[toxic wigeon]

B450 boards most likely?

[storm osprey]

i mean, i can show my results but that doesnt mean it will be the same for them

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah true.

So what is a 5800x3d meant to do over its contemporaries?

[storm osprey]

have more cache which is generally beneficial for gaming

more/faster?

[toxic wigeon]

Cache's... How do they help again? Just gimme a general idea.

[storm osprey]

not something ive specifically looked up, afaik its where information is stored on the cpu for faster access than offloading it to something like ram?

[toxic wigeon]

I guess that'd be true.

So really since it uses L3 it's a special form of it to well... Process it even faster you could say.

[storm osprey]

i have no idea what the difference between L2 and L3 is

[toxic wigeon]

True.

I just saw haha buzzword and said it. xD

[storm osprey]

i personally dont concern myself with HOW things happen, i mostly care about the end result performance and how much it costs

[toxic wigeon]

True.

You care about the results and how much it helps.

[storm osprey]

a cpu could literally be powered by magic and i wouldnt care at all if there was another cpu that ran the same but 50 bucks cheaper

(of course other factors like power consumption matter to a lesser degree)

[toxic wigeon]

Ye.

Performance first and foremost, Than how much energy is sucks up if it's of concern.

I kinda got my head around how processors work due to serious sam RTX. I didn't realise how important they were.

I thought to an extent draw distance was things like on your graphics card, But your CPU was just as important in that too.

Since I have an AM4 board. I might look into a 5600x3d much later on.

LOL NO.

*5800x3d.

[pale quartz]

it's with how games handle block data storage

games are designed to hold a certain buffer allocation of textures within the processor for quick instant access (this is why L3 is important), the bigger this buffer is, the less the game has to dump and reallocate the buffer size

which is what happens when you see intermittent frame drops periodically

[pale quartz]

not guaranteed, make sure your board has actually been updated to support the 5800x3d

[molten flame]

Large L3 cache also makes it to where you're less reliant on RAM speed or bandwidth

[toxic wigeon]

Of course, Update the Mobo to support the CPU and stuff.

[pale quartz]

no I mean make sure the vendor has actually released a BIOS for it

if they haven't you can't use it

[toxic wigeon]

Oh right.

I've got a b550 so things should be right.

[pale quartz]

no the b550 doesn't support the 5800x3d natively

using it on all boards is mandatory for a BIOS update regardless of the chipset

[toxic wigeon]

Alright then.

[pale quartz]

L2 90% handles read only data streams to the core compared to L3

they are segregated out as L2 uses SRAM which helps with piping bottlenecks

[toxic wigeon]

I wonder how long the X3d will last.

[pale quartz]

you can, as long as the charger supports the minimum current, but it's not advised to

LIPOs are built with specific cell circuitry for the battery, so using any generic charger is ill advised, but it will work

[pale quartz]

depends what you're talking about lol

[toxic wigeon]

True though hearing the new gen of Ryzen makes me think that hey this CPU should be worth the bit if you're waiting for the 9000 series.

[pale quartz]

7000 series

9000 = Zen 5

[toxic wigeon]

I'm really aware, I'm assuming a name cause of what we've seen.

[molten flame]

7000 = Zen 4
8000 = Zen 4 +4c maybe

Maybe Ryzen 8000 will be APUs only

[storm osprey]

when someone says they dont need help building a gaming pc because "they do this for their day job", and they do cyber security...

[honest sandal]

Me but devops. Turns out computers have changed in the 10 years it’s been since I’ve built a desktop

[storm osprey]

wth is devops?

[molten bramble]

Development Operations

[storm osprey]

"googles development operations"

[molten bramble]

Essentially a framework of developmental lifecycle and methodologies.

[storm osprey]

i draw rectangles for a living... those words are too big for me

[molten bramble]

There is also DevSecOps now, which is an enhanced version of the latter meant to put security as a priority.

[molten bramble]

https://www.synopsys.com/glossary/what-is-devops.html#:~:text=In simple terms%2C DevOps is,test through deployment to operations.

In simple terms, DevOps is about removing the barriers between traditionally siloed teams, development and operations. Under a DevOps model, development and operations teams work together across the entire software application life cycle, from development and test through deployment to operations.

[storm osprey]

that makes much more sense

[honest sandal]

Basically I’m the intermediary between a developer and sysadmin

I do a lot of work with like CI/CD pipelines, I do “devsecops” work as well, and traditional systems engineering

I do everything except write the application code, unless the application is to manage the tools I built

[storm osprey]

sounds fancy

[honest sandal]

It's something

[storm osprey]

such is everything

[honest sandal]

pays the bills

[storm osprey]

return to monke

[crisp canyon]

[humble iris]

Feels good to have a clean installed OS.

[mild bough]

does anyone know why my ssd is acting up when trying to install windows on it

i've been trying for 16 hours now to fix this goddamn shit

[humble iris]

Tell me more what it's doing

[mild bough]

hold on

im gonna try 1 last time

okay i made progress

i got an error

[humble iris]

Are you installing from USB, or just from within your existing Windows

[mild bough]

usb

[humble iris]

did you delete the partitions and create new ones?

[mild bough]

yes

well i dont gotta create new partitions as windows does that manually

right????

[humble iris]

yeah but you should delete the old ones

all of them, should just be 1 unpartitioned drive before proceeding

[mild bough]

yeah i always delete old ones

[storm osprey]

is it an nvme drive? i had to do some special shit to get mine to work

[mild bough]

yes nvme drive @storm osprey

kingston 1tb ssd m.2 nvme

when i was in the BIOS and changed boot mode select to UEFI the SSD drive wouldn't even appear

[humble iris]

You can't switch that if OS is already installed

Let's keep it here so others can collaborate on this. it's too confusing in PM

[mild bough]

yeah lol

[humble iris]

The Bluescreen code is 0xc000000e

Something is corrupted I would try testing memory

memtest86

since windows won't boot, you can boot memtest86 from a usb

or just try booting with 1 stick of memory

However the install is corrupt so you will need to install again

[mild bough]

probably corrupt usb

because i have used the media creation tool like 3-4 times

[humble iris]

Also choose what boot mode you want, you cannot change it between UEFI/Legacy after OS Install.

if your memory is bad it will also corrupt the install

[mild bough]

memory as in ram or memory as in usb?

[humble iris]

could also be bad SSD cache or nand cells

It could be a million things, just have troubleshoot down the line

[mild bough]

cant be bad ssd, i got it in february

barely even used it

[humble iris]

I understand, but you will need to start testing things 1 at time

[mild bough]

When booting, do I boot the UEFI: Kingston yada yada yada or just the one called Kingston yada yada yada

[humble iris]

do you have another drive to install windows on

[mild bough]

yea

hdd

Tested it on my HDD, worked fine

[humble iris]

you could do a test install to the hdd and see if errors persist, remove the nvme from system

okay so I would test memory then

also what motherboard is this?

[mild bough]

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B360I-GAMING-PRO-AC/support

[humble iris]

okay that board should be fine for nvme, just wanted to check

I would try either

• memtest86 quick test
• 1 stick of memory, 1 at a time. or another stick if you have 1.

[mild bough]

I have 2 ram sticks, so i would just take 1 out?

[humble iris]

yes but make sure its in the correct slot single channel

[mild bough]

sorry i know that was the most stupid question

but i have been trying to figure this out for like 1000 years

ah okay

[humble iris]

all good, just want to help

[mild bough]

gonna try the memtest86 first

[humble iris]

it shouldnt take long to find an error if there is any

[mild bough]

do i just type memtest86 in cmd?

[humble iris]

no you have to do a bootable USB

https://www.memtest86.com/

[mild bough]

oh itts a program

[humble iris]

there is a free version very popular pretty much anyone uses it to test ram, windows has a built in memory test as well, but if can't boot windows or usb media then it's useless

I think you either have a memory issue, or failed NVMe at this point from the info I've gathered. but it could be something else, just nee to rule out memory.

could even be A POORLY SEATED NVMe

dirty contacts

[mild bough]

bro you're making me lose all hope

[humble iris]

that should give you hope

poorly seated just means it might need a blow or a wiggle

[mild bough]

Do I drag the entire file over to the flash drive folder?

After I've extracted it of course

[humble iris]

run the program and it should make a bootable usb, like you did with windows usb

[mild bough]

oh

makes sense

thought it would be like updating a bios

[humble iris]

there should be instructions in the files you extracted

 - Plug in your USB drive.
 - Launch the included ImageUSB application.
 - Select your USB drive from the list (Step 1).
 - Select 'Write image to USB drive' (Step 2)
 - If it is not already selected, select the included image file (Step 3).
 - Click 'Write' (Step 4).

After accepting a few more prompts this should give you a working
bootable USB drive.```

[mild bough]

okay

running memtest86 now

[humble iris]

still no errors?

[mild bough]

not yet

41% through with 0 errors

[mild bough]

What do we do if the memtest doesn't show any errors?

[humble iris]

Move on to the NVMe

when did you install it?

[mild bough]

february

[humble iris]

and it was working fine with windows?

[mild bough]

dunno

[humble iris]

Installed on it?

[mild bough]

never really used it

think i downloaded star citizen on it

[humble iris]

hmmm.

[mild bough]

performance increased

[humble iris]

yeah that's good. SC will load 100 times faster

[mild bough]

yeah

went from like 10fps with constant stutters and objects wouldn't load

to a solid 30fps ahah

[humble iris]

so you installed windows onto your HDD with same USB stick you are using now?

[mild bough]

nah

prebuilt

Oh wait

Yeah when I tested it to see if it was the USB

I tried on the HDD and everything worked fine

[humble iris]

try reinstalling the NVMe

still no errors on memtest?

[mild bough]

So far so good man

75% through

[humble iris]

you can let it finish if you want

[mild bough]

Yeah

Weird if there is no error with it

[humble iris]

not really it's good

just ruling it out

[mild bough]

yeah its good

but its weird

cause i always have trouble with my rig

or technology in general, there always gotta be some sort of issue

[humble iris]

yeah there is always an issue

[mild bough]

lowkey the temptation to just clone the os from the hdd to the ssd is extremely big

[humble iris]

yeah I would advise against it, but gotta do what you gotta do.

[mild bough]

i literally can not have the os anymore on my hdd

my hdd is slow as shit

It can spend a solid 10-15 minutes just getting everything ready

like starting a car in the winter

[humble iris]

yeah I cloned my OS from NVMe to a SATA SSD and was slow. NVMe hides the sluggish issues from 2 year old installs

and countless software installs

I have 210 programs installed on my old OS

415GB

[mild bough]

Does it do the process 4 times?

It currently says Pass: 1/4

[humble iris]

you can stop it anytime, if it has not errored out yet it should not have issues installing windows. the test just gets more complicated

[mild bough]

Yeah still 0 errors

ima quit

[humble iris]

what drive is this?

[mild bough]

the ssd?

[humble iris]

yeah

[storm osprey]

update, this guy has already settled on a 12900k

[humble iris]

mentioned he had to do something

[mild bough]

Kingston NV1 NVMe M.2 SSD 1TB

[storm osprey]

i found a random guide to install OS onto an NVME drive, ill llook for it but this was a while ago

[mild bough]

bro please for the love of god find it

you have no idea im going insane trying to figure this out

[humble iris]

It is possible you need to install the NVMe driver at windows install, but doubtful

[molten flame]

Might get 5800X3D, it's intriguing for me because I don't have to upgrade my 5 year old DDR4 kit that's pretty slow nowadays, the extra L3 cache takes away RAM bottleneck

Also my B350 board has a BIOS for it lmao

[humble iris]

What size L3 is it?

[molten flame]

96MB L3

8 cores

[humble iris]

jeeze

[molten flame]

Regular 5800X has just 32MB

[mild bough]

"Do I need a special driver to use M.2 SSDs?"
"No, both SATA and PCIe M.2 SSDs will use the standard AHCI drivers built into the OS. However, you may need to enable the M.2 SSD in the system BIOS before being able to use it."

[storm osprey]

@molten flame the dude that wants the 12900k i told to get a 5800x3d if hes going high end

[humble iris]

after you install windows go into bios and select the windows boot manager as boot device

it will auto select the NVMe as it detects boot manager

[molten flame]

12900K needs a $400 to $500 kit of DDR5 to close the gap between itself and the 5800X3D

5800X3D will run perfectly fine with a $70 kit of DDR4 lmao, it will also run fine on $70 A520 and B450 motherboards

[storm osprey]

on top of already being 100 dollars more just for the cpu

[humble iris]

I've always been a fan of large CPU cache

[mild bough]

so what you're saying is that im gonna install windows on the hdd

or what

[molten flame]

12900K needs a $220+ Z690 motherboard because just about every $150 B660 board will throttle it

Meanwhile 5800X3D will run on the cheapest AM4 boards

[humble iris]

no, after you install windows onto the NVMe go into biaos and select it as boot device 1

[mild bough]

oh right

i am about 99% sure that the NVMe isnt gonna show up in the boot options

[storm osprey]

yea, i dont think this guy is going to listen to reason, i already offered some help and he said "this is my day job so im good"

he works in IT/cybersecurity...

[molten flame]

[humble iris]

it will after windows is installed

[mild bough]

Should Windows 10 WHQL Support be set to UEFI or CSM?

[storm osprey]

which doesnt really directly translate to knowing how to spend money on a pc build but whatever

[humble iris]

UEFI

[mild bough]

or should i just leave everything default

okay

[storm osprey]

(hence how he already picked a 12900k)

[humble iris]

12900k is like 2% better then 12700k

[storm osprey]

12900k is 1% better than 5800x3d despite being like... 300+ dollars more...

[humble iris]

I meant 20%, but yeah

I would wait for 14th-gen

[mild bough]

okay @humble iris
after the download has finished, do i pull the usb out first then head into bios?

[humble iris]

Although the 12th-gen has a better single core performance then 5800x3d

[molten flame]

5800X3D is faster than 12900K in important games like MSFS, Tarkov, Arma

[humble iris]

after windows has installed yes

you are booting into the Windows USB drive, and installing windows?

[mild bough]

yes

i think

[humble iris]

Oh No!

[mild bough]

im on the installation page for windows atleast downloading windows

[humble iris]

if you are in windows downloading / creating a bootable usb drive, then boot the PC into the usb drive and install windows

you are using a seperate PC to make the USB?

[mild bough]

yeah ofc

using school laptop

[humble iris]

yeah then put the usb on the PC and boot into it

[mild bough]

Problem is, the NVMe doesn't show up on the boot priority options

[humble iris]

it wont if a bootmanager is not installed

[mild bough]

what kinda witchcraft is that

[humble iris]

it's there just not bootable until windows has been installed, it should be listed as Windows Boot Manager P1 or something it usually gets cut off from reading the whole thing

[mild bough]

oh yeah

Its not there

it was there a couple of hours ago

[humble iris]

restart and try again

reboot back into bios

[mild bough]

still not there

[mild bough]

i've done that exact thing like a gazillion times

i rebooted now and unplugged hdd

it just redirects me into the bios

[humble iris]

Does that board have 2 M.2 Slots?\

[mild bough]

I believe it is just 1

[humble iris]

this board? https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B360I-GAMING-PRO-AC/Specification

[mild bough]

yep

Im looking in the pc now

I can only find 1 slot for it to go into

[humble iris]

I think the other one is vertical top left, and the horizontal bottom

yeah one has the wi-fi card

[mild bough]

im not able to find it

[humble iris]

there may be a M.2 mode that needs to be enabled

is AHCI enabled, this should only be for SATA, but I'm seeing it asked and confirmed

there may be a PCIe mode selected rather then SATA mode for the M.2 Slot

you would need PCIe mode

and CSM set to Auto if available

I'm reading this thread https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/m-2-not-showing-up-in-bios.3482097/

[humble iris]

If you were set to optane mode instead of AHCI that's probably the issue.

[storm osprey]

got damn you guys still trying to get his os working on his drive?

[humble iris]

I just got back from work

I hated leaving him without resolution, but I think its BIOS settings at this point. Something along the lines of PCIe/SATA mode, Optane/AHCI

some kind of M.2 setting

[storm osprey]

yea i cant for the life of me find the source i used to get mine working

[humble iris]

Mine just slid into socket, installed windows, done.

I dont even havw m.2 sockets, using adapters

[honest sandal]

My m.2 just worked

[quick locust]

Lol

[molten flame]

Something conductive got between the pins?

[lofty light]

Clean it off with some WD-40 and it'll be good as new 👍

[mild bough]

if i can't fix the ssd by today the plan is to just deliver it to a store

[humble iris]

tell the good news man

[mild bough]

finally fixed the ssd, changed sata port that the sata cable from the hdd was connected to from SATA1 to SATA2

[molten flame]

RX 6950XT faster than RTX 3090Ti in TimeSpy

[storm osprey]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/razer-viper-ultimate-ultralight-wireless-optical-gaming-mouse-with-charging-dock-black/6384930.p?skuId=6384930

viper ultimate with dock for 80 bucks... best wireless deal ever?

[proud trellis]

you and the razer viper

[honest sandal]

gpw ❤️

[storm osprey]

i shill the viper mini, best budget mouse by far, the viper ultimate is meh, but for 80 bucks thats a deal

[storm osprey]

for sure, superlight is my main

[molten coral]

I like my brick

[proud trellis]

same

I can bash it all I want and it won’t break

https://tenor.com/view/csgo-banging-table-angry-mad-rage-quit-gif-17478101

[honest sandal]

i've been eyeballing the glorious model o wireless though

[molten coral]

Main thing about the brick ||g502|| is just that it’s comfortable in the hand.

Most mice are so small

[proud trellis]

if my brick ever breaks, imma get the wireless version of it

I think it’s fairly cheap for a wireless mouse

[storm osprey]

seems like a downgrade imo

[molten coral]

I’ve the wireless one

Really good

Especially with the charging mat

[storm osprey]

if i could side trade with some cash for a final mouse wireless i would

[proud trellis]

the combo with the charging mat is cool but it’s fairly expensive iirc ?

[honest sandal]

my gpw is a couple years old now

[storm osprey]

get the superlight

unless if you want an ergo i would stick with GPW

[honest sandal]

does it have the double click issue the gpw has?

[storm osprey]

nopes

that was solved in the GPW life cycle too

[honest sandal]

oh cool

i bought this one 2ish years ago

[storm osprey]

i love my superlight, shits so good

i just wish it was a taaaad smaller

yea id want a finalmouse starlight

[honest sandal]

finalmouse woulkd be goals but they'

they're so damn hard to get for retail

[storm osprey]

yea, if i could conveniently get one for msrp i would

[honest sandal]

i refuse to pay scalper prices for anything

[molten coral]

If the charging mat didn’t exist I wouldn’t have gone wireless.

[honest sandal]

i'll probably get the superlight though

i just plug my mouse in while i sleep

ezpz

and remember to turn it off

[molten coral]

I always forget it

So good thing i’ve the mat

[honest sandal]

ah

[proud trellis]

I watch a lot of Netflix so I could just charge mine while I watch that or while I go downstairs for a bit ig

Does it take long to charge a mouse ?

[storm osprey]

ive only gotten close to dying once, and i just took a 20 minute break from gaming and browsed the internet

[honest sandal]

not that long

but tbh you can use it plugged in

so idc

[storm osprey]

yea thats what i do, i just plug it in and watch stupid youtube videos

[vast valley]

That's very steampunk

Looks cool

[prime jasper]

Is it possible to get 100 fps or higher with the i7-10700k and RTX EVGA 3060 XC Ti? And 32gb of Ram what settings do I have to put them on to achieve it? For any tech geeks out their.

[molten flame]

Should be getting over 100 fps at 1080p and 1440p

[eager sun]

I get 130fps avg with 9900k and gtx 1080 full hd everything on low. So you would end up right around there even with higher graphics settings bcs the game is so cpu bound and your gpu is better

[honest sandal]

I get about 100-120fps (with some drops below) with an i7-1700k and a 2080Super, and 16gb ddr4-3600

Maybe I should get more ram

[prime jasper]

Thx for the info I'm going to be playing on 1080p :)

[prime jasper]

Thx for the info and yes ima use 1080p i wonder is a TN panel good for fps gaming because I heard it has faster response times like 0.5 milliseconds

[honest sandal]

Oh mine is 1080p as well

I have a 1080p 144hz 1ms ips panel

[eager sun]

Yes tn is the best in terms of response time but compared to ips panels it also looks like shit. At least mine does. As long as i dont use an ips panel regularly that doesnt matter though

[silver smelt]

What this weeks mission unlock?

[wet notch]

a blonde

[tranquil goblet]

Got really bad lag on series x few of us test it and its 40fps

[pale quartz]

it does, but that doesn't matter when your colours are so saturated on TN panels you can't see the screen to begin with

VA/IPS are leagues beyond any TN panel in the current market

and a 0.5ms difference doesn't change that

[molten flame]

0.5ms is an indistinguishable difference lol

[toxic wigeon]

0.5 is a very small difference you'd only notice by playing with the same monitor and very keen with your inputs.

[storm osprey]

arent VA/IPS panels way more saturated than TN?

[molten flame]

Yes

[humble iris]

I have 4 monitors all the exact same models, except 2 are TN, and 2 are IPS, The IPS panel looks a tad bit better, but on TN panels you have to be set directly in front of it to get the best view, on IPS you move side to side and not get the fade out. (Viewing Angle) I don't think there is much difference in response time on new models. I have not really noticed, I thought I did at first but maybe just placebo. Unless they are crappy slow in the first place not really any difference. BTW I upgraded to IPS after 2 years of using the TN. I use both now. IPS VG279Q which is not G-Sync Compatible certified, but does work on Nvidia GPU. the TN panel VG278Q is G-Sync Compatible certified.
Here's a pic of my monitors, the 2 TN panels are Left & Right notice the left monitor is weird color, caused by the viewing angle. https://www.pcegaming.com/images_blog/MatrixDesk.jpg

btw, the 2nd IPS is not in this picture.

the IPS is in the center

[stuck tangle]

[honest sandal]

Welp, it’s that time for a Thursday reinstall of windows Loool

[shy quail]

Anyone got experience with omen prebuilds?

[shy quail]

Nvm too late

Ordered

[midnight crypt]

cancel it

[honest sandal]

The new EA Desktop app is pog

[honest sandal]

And I get better fps with windows 11

[humble iris]

If I could post a video here I would post one from way back in the 90's I've had on my drive for 20 some years. I'll upload it to my server.

Here it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPkN2n60I10

[humble iris]

Someone should put a beat to that, like Turn down for what!

[eager sun]

Bruv gigabit ethernet. I get 16MB/s -.-

[humble iris]

I've been using that for a long time, got tired of it having authorization issues on friday nights. almost every friday. something to do with XBOX App, and Origin. cause I bought the game through EA Desktop, but EA Play was connected through Xbox Game Pass. Because EA Play was free with it. lol. very confusing I think. But you had to use EA Desktop to get EA Play through Xbox Game Pass.

But I also use Origin because not all my games are on EA Play and probably never will be.

[humble iris]

I think they mean Mb/s not MB/s

[quick locust]

Might be MB if its gigabit

1 gigabit is 125 MB

[humble iris]

Yeah that's right. I wasn't thinking correctly.

I was excited to try out this Scarlett 18i8 Gen 3

I've been using the same interface for over 10 years. Freed up a PCIe slot for another NVMe, And I can use this interface on other computers and laptops. And my clicks and pops are gone, I'm now able to record 48Khz / 24-Bit / 48 Samples @ stock clocks a little over 3GHZ with 9% CPU usage. and very level, no spikes. No redouts

https://pcegaming.com/images_blog/Scarlett-NewOS.png

[humble iris]

I've just found that if I set all my monitors to 120hz the GPU will clock down to 300mhz when idle. I hate losing 24hz but I like a cold PC much better when doing idle tasks. It runs at 1200mhz if my main is set to 144hz no mater what the others are set to, even 60hz which is just plain gross.

[quick locust]

Just change your pstates

[honest sandal]

It’s MB/s I have gigabit internet

[prime jasper]

106mbps 😂

[stray needle]

I have an 360hz and 240hz asus monitor with g-sync. With last intel monster and 2080 Super OC card. I wounder if there is any benefits of using the 360hz monitor over the 240hz for casual fps online play. 1080p 360hz offer slightly better or less input delay perhaps. But overall the 1440p at 240hz is in my book the sweet spot nonetheless.

The difference may be too miniscule that it triggers placebo thoughts

[honest sandal]

That’s 106MB/s or 848mbps

[honest sandal]

@hybrid tusk

[hybrid tusk]

Even 106 Mbps would be a massive jump compared to my Internet speed

[quick locust]

What's you current?

I have to house sit for a while with 25 Mb/s

[honest sandal]

https://www.speedtest.net/result/d/cec287be-0b28-4f76-b9c8-48367fe67e84.png

[quick locust]

Nice

I have 1000/500 Mb/s

[honest sandal]

not bad, better than most people have

[quick locust]

Yeah

I think avg in my country is 200 ish

Seems like more in 50s

[molten flame]

I am CenturyLink too but only get 5 Mbps lol

[honest sandal]

That was a requirement of my new house, having fiber

[molten flame]

Fiber lines in the ground here just no ISP on them

[honest sandal]

[molten flame]

AMD will infuse EPYC CPUs with Xilinx FPGA based AI engines, starting as early as 2023

[quick locust]

internet at my sisters house lol rip

and this is wired

[molten flame]

Ping tho

[quick locust]

unstable even at this bandwidth

cause its DSL

[molten flame]

I'm on DSL

[quick locust]

unstable and 10-15 Mb/s

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-death-gif-23505693

[ember bolt]

just average

[molten flame]

That ping

[silent python]

Is battlefield 2042 on pc more cpu intense or gpu intense?

[humble iris]

Yeah my mistake, I have the same speed.

[mild bough]

wtffffff

i got 150 up and down 😭

how do you even get such fast internet

my router company doesn't even offer that much

[humble iris]

My up speed is only 35, I have fastest internet that can be had here. and it's only $160.00us a month.

[honest sandal]

I pay $65/usd a month

[humble iris]

We have a monopoly here, only 1 broadband provider, and only 2 providers period, the other is pretty crappy speed.

COX vs Windsteam

The only reason we even have windstream is because they own the old phone system

[honest sandal]

Ahhh

Sounds like Arizona

[humble iris]

Oklahoma

[honest sandal]

Ah fair enough

Similar setup in Phoenix

Same providers for most of the metro

Here it’s spectrum or centurylink

Some parts of Orlando have ATT fiber with up to 5gb symmetrical fiber to the home though

[humble iris]

we have ATT and some others too, but its all politics here. my town mainly has the issue. but it's like that all over around here

Google was coming in, but COX had some way to push google out

[honest sandal]

Ahhh

[humble iris]

after googling it, it seems like that happening all over the country.

It's like they all have a secret agreement to dominate their own domain so they can rip people off.

Why compete when we can all charge outrageous prices.

[supple bane]

only

[humble iris]

The price? I was being sarcastic, They put a 1TB data cap on me, so I have to pay extra for unlimited.

we use 2 to 4 TB every month so I wasn't about to pay $10 per 50GB over the 1 TB, so I pay $50 extra for unlimited. I think it's a rip off, but have no choice.

[supple bane]

what speed do you get for that ?

down i mean

[humble iris]

1Gb down / 35Mb up

[honest sandal]

the cable companies are all bullshit

[supple bane]

i wouldnt pay that much for gigabit

[honest sandal]

Welcome to the US, where a majority of internet is from cable companies that charge that much

[humble iris]

Yeah I spent a lot of time pissed off, but no choice.

[supple bane]

im quite happy with 220 down, its just upload, it sucks.

i get 25 on a good day. good upload is underrated

[humble iris]

we canceled satellite tv cause it was getting near $300, and started using streaming services. then the Internet prices went bonkers, with price hikes, addon charges, and data caps. so back in the same boat now.

[supple bane]

why not get something less than gigabit ?

[humble iris]

and save $10 a month, or is it 5

WTF do I have to sign in to see current prices. WTH

can't even see pricing unless logged in, I'm sure that's to stick it in deeper

[supple bane]

looking at the prices here it averages 70 dollars for gigabit

[humble iris]

Data Cap?

[supple bane]

no

thats not really a thing here

ive never heard of anyone having a data cap before

[humble iris]

should be against the law

[supple bane]

one here for 43 dollars a month for 2 years then 70 dollars after that

[humble iris]

All Cox Internet plans include 1.25 TB (1280 GB) per month of data usage. Additional Data Plans can be added for an additional monthly charge. Excess usage is $10 per additional 50 GB block. Unused data does not roll over.

[proud trellis]

internet do be expensive

[humble iris]

I remember being begged to use their service, now look what they do.

they are offering me the plan I already have for $2.50 more each month, WTH

[honest sandal]

yeah centurylink here is $65/month no contract, no data cap 940mb/940mb

[humble iris]

none of there plans make any sense at all.

[honest sandal]

never do

i have a 200/20 spectrum line for backup

but i haven't had to use it in almost 6 months

[humble iris]

I can drop down to unlimited at 500/10 for $135.00, I'll save $30 and have crappy internet.

[honest sandal]

if it makes you feel better my 200/20 is $75/month when my gigabit is less

so i pay like $140/month for internet

[humble iris]

I guess that extra $2.50 is for insurance for cable lines, and stuff. lol. I run my own lines in and outside, and I use my own equipment, otherwise that adds another $5 or $10 a month.

[humble iris]

why?

[honest sandal]

why what

[humble iris]

would it cost more

[honest sandal]

because spectrum

[humble iris]

bastards

[honest sandal]

i have two separate internet connections because wife and I both work from home full time

so we should always have internet

[humble iris]

I use my ATT cellular service as backup

[honest sandal]

we live in a hilly area so cell reception isn't strong enough to tether or i'd do that

[humble iris]

right

[honest sandal]

when we first moved in our gig line went down for a week

so the second connection paid for itself

[humble iris]

What's next, Subscription fees for Oxygen.

Fart taxes

[honest sandal]

It's a carbon surcharge

[dapper lark]

I don’t think any internet company actually gives you a fair price

Fair price for service received

[wet notch]

reminds me of that dude that wanted ppl to pay for water

"why does water have to be free?"

[humble iris]

like rain water?

[wet notch]

from the fossets and stuff

so people would get like electric bill, gas bill and water bill

but no surprise ppl trashed him for it

[storm osprey]

I have a water bill…

[wet notch]

you pay for water?

😄

[molten coral]

You don’t ?

[wet notch]

Nope

[molten coral]

Interesting

[humble iris]

We get billed for city. Refuse, Water, Sewer, Storm drain, street lights, EMS, etc.. one bill like $115us a month.

depending how much water you use, and they charge sewer for gallons of water used, even if you water the lawn I guess, I used to get a discount for having a pool but they said not anymore, So i piped my pool into the sewer.

I backwash it into sewer instead of street or yard

And on top of that I pay over $3200 in property taxes each year.

and grocery tax, income tax, vehicle tax, etc..

I'm sure Oxygen, and fart tax coming soon.

[humble iris]

Do you have your own well and pump?

[molten flame]

My property taxes are ridiculous

[humble iris]

I did a job a few weeks ago, there property tax was $36,000.00us a year

[molten flame]

[humble iris]

it was a 4 million dollar house, I was like WTH.

[molten flame]

Was it a palace?

[storm osprey]

But how?

[humble iris]

pretty much.

[prime jasper]

You dont pay the water bill?

How the hec

What country or city gives out free water?

[dapper lark]

Why do people buy such expensive houses

There’s no practical use for them. It’s literally wasted money

And yeah, the outrageous bills

[cyan musk]

status symbol to make them feel better about their lives that are dominated by constantly working or mindlessly consuming

[humble iris]

Yeah I'm a practical person too. I want a simple small house in the country, tired of suburbia

[humble iris]

Please tell me this is not correct. the 5800X3D with a 2850 single thread score based on 23 samples. being stomped on by the 5600x. has to be something off about it. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i7-6950X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-5600X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5800X3D-vs-Intel-i5-12600K-vs-Intel-i7-12700K/2792vs3859vs4823vs4603vs4609

[prisma anvil]

5800X3D is a gaming CPU because of the large cache. synthetic benchmark that does not utilize cache at all it could be alot lower in single thread because of lower clock speed.

[wet notch]

i rent an apartment so its included in the rent. But if ppl have houses then they pay unless they have their own well

[toxic wigeon]

I really want to try the 5800x3d but if I were to upgrade i may as well due the full board.

[molten flame]

X3D just proves CPUs have been long overdue for cache increases

Intel is also increasing cache amount for 13th gen

[molten flame]

The 5800X3D is not designed for synthetic benchmarks that are literally just a numbers game. This CPU is solely designed for gaming.

[toxic wigeon]

I wonder if am5 will have that.

With the x3d being a psuedo sorta card.

[molten flame]

Ryzen 7000X3D is 2H 2023

8000(X3D) series is Zen 4 mobile only afaik, could also be Zen 4 (3D?) w/RDNA3 iGPU desktop APUs as well

Ryzen 9000 is Zen 5

[idle dust]

do you use anti-aliasing on WQHD resolutions?

[storm osprey]

Depends on ppi and distance to monitor. Plus I guess eyesight.

[toxic wigeon]

So they have to develop a specific card for it. Alright.

I guess if I were to make the move to Zen 4 I'd definitely get a 7800x3d if it exists lol.

Ah for fuck I got it all confused.

[topaz fractal]

Guys battlefield just started to freeze up everytime i tried to load it

it says it's a driver issue but i had updated it the first time i got the error

any help will be appreciated

[topaz fractal]

Battlefield 4 btw

[eager sun]

Try uninstalling it using with ddu then reinstall again

I assume you mean gpu driver*

[idle dust]

is A on USB connectors always the host plug?

like Type B, Mini B and Micro B.

no, wait... xD

I mean there are A variants of these connector types.

are all of them host plugs?

and what's the opposite of "host"?

[humble iris]

Maybe the benchmark tools to be updated to include this technology, that's what benchmarks are for, to get an idea of comparison. Benchmark is designed to give a level test to hardware. People call it synthetic but it's really just a flat test still runs calculations and loads. It's not a real scenario. So is there actual game benchmarks to look at yet. It's also still new, it will take time to see real performance results.

[proud trellis]

would you say its bad for a GPU to be at 100% usage ?

im here having a debate with some people because they think that a GPU at 100% usage is bad because its not supposed to be that high of usage and it can shorten the life span of the GPU

anyone able to clarify is GPU usage at 100% is good or bad

[ember bolt]

should be fine, unless your temps are really high

technically it can shorten the life span, but it shouldn't be significant enough to matter

[pale quartz]

no userbenchmark is an absolutely atrocious "benchmark" to use, never use them for measuring performance

it is run by an intel fanboy and has been for years, their measurements are not objective criteria, infact the 5800x3d crushes performance relative to 95% of other processors for game related activites (as explained by the cache)

[pale quartz]

they are right that it is wrong, it will not "shorten the lifespan" however

im not sure where they got this presumption from unless youre running it for 6 months 24 hours a day at 100% utilisation, then perhaps, however the real reason that a GPU shouldnt be at 100% utilisation is down to input latency and frequency scaling, you require around a 2-5% reserve buffer for the GPU to process incoming frame data from a game/application, and when it is entirely maxed out this results in hitching/stuttering/higher input latency etc as frames are backlogged on the process scheduler

[pale quartz]

zen 4 will have 3dcache, they will be different SKUs however

[molten flame]

Zen 4 likely won't have 3D models at launch tho, could be next year

[pale quartz]

genoa does not have it for its launch spec, so zen 4 wont either

[molten flame]

The eng samples of leaked Zen 4 CPUs have 32MB for 8-core SKU and 64MB for 16-core

Pretty excited for Pheonix APUs

Just hope Zen 4 APUs have more cache than previous gens

[pale quartz]

the trouble with cache on APUs specifically compared to desktop processors is their size limitations on the entire package are way shorter as iGPUs need to be included

phoenix does have more cache, but dont be expecting the sort of increase the 5800x3d has in terms of total size from previous gens

[molten flame]

Pheonix may seperate iGPU into its own chiplet, which is what Intel is doing with Meteor Lake

[topaz fractal]

What is ddu?

[humble iris]

So their benchmark software is skewed or the results data is skewed?

I've used it for years, and always comes out fairly accurate.

[humble iris]

Have you all heard of Telegram?

[quick locust]

Yes, used to use Telegram

[quick locust]

Display driver uninstaller. Tool that wipes driver + configs left over

[humble iris]

CCleaner used to work for this and much more, have not used it in years though.

[dry pike]

CCleaner never did or do what DDU does.

Also, CCleaner is owned by avast now and have begun to suck.

[humble iris]

It cleared the registry, and removed all related driver files, and you could choose specific drivers.
But I quit using it, started feeling pushy, malwarey.

Probably 5 years or more since I used, I do everything manually pretty much these days

The best driver cleaner is "Secure Erase" lol...

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Taskmanager CPU monitor while encoding video. https://www.pcegaming.com/images_blog/Encoder.Taskman.CPU.JPG

[quick locust]

lol

[humble iris]

The 90's are back, lol...

[pale quartz]

no their methodology for "calculating" results is an entire farce, meaning their software and results are false https://ownsnap.com/userbenchmark-biased/ the site is a total joke and the people who run it are intel shills, they are not used for any serious benchmarking weight and have never been

https://youtu.be/AaWZKPUidUY HWUB discussing them too

[quick locust]

They're a mess

Sometimes used in here

[toxic wigeon]

What's a good benchmark site then?

[idle dust]

is it true that USB 4 will be a pure USB-C standard?

Type C on both ends.

[eager sun]

Youtube. Cpu x vs cpu y. Gpu x vs gpu y. Gpu x game y

[toxic wigeon]

Oh that I guess.

[pale quartz]

yes, not only that but USB-PD will be mandatory for connectors too, way more important than the C on each connector end

[dry pike]

USB C is great. No reason to run USB A and B anymore.

[honest sandal]

If only apple could finally fucking ditch lightning on the iPhone

I want usb c for everything damnit

[eager sun]

I have lightning on my phone, usb c on my ipad and only one charger that came with my ipad so i have to switch between usb c - usb c and usb c to lightning cables -_-

Not even iphone 13 has usb c. But top model ipad has it for over a year

[honest sandal]

Yeah

I have an iPad Pro, MacBook Pro and iPhone and have that issue as well

[humble iris]

Whoa, Youtube circumvented my ad blocker.

[humble iris]

This is not the same place I use, I use PassMark CPUbenchmark, not userbenchmark

And I have used it for years, and when I do a build either for myself or someone else, I run several of my own benchmarks, and it's always really good at giving you an idea of what to expect. I don't use "Userbenchmark" never have liked it. I use Passmark. been around a long time. 1998

I think we just got it mixed up, I did not even realize it until I went to watch the videos you posted.

I also like the fact they have a discussion forum as well.

BTW it's the same people who developed MemTest86

[pale quartz]

actually yeah my bad

[cyan musk]

userbenchmark is useful

[humble iris]

No problem. Userbenchmark is crap. we definitely agree.

[humble iris]

How?

[cyan musk]

because it has a lot of data to readily compare all sorts of different parts

people claim its bad data, but that's I've never seen proof besides a claim of Intel bias

[humble iris]

Well if it works for you, then it works. I prefer PassMark has always been solid on CPU scores, and you compare up to 5 CPUs at once. Before I make a purchase I watch a lot of videos, because believe it or not people are bias, and even worse try to justify their purchase, or just have dumb nature because they own it so it's magically better.

[cyan musk]

I just wonder if anyone has even bothered to compare userbenchmark's results with the different marks to see how well they match. probably very well

[pale quartz]

no theyre pretty terrible actually

[cyan musk]

if the data was bad, you'd think a lower tier thing would sometimes beat a higher tier thing. but it never happens

[pale quartz]

and "besides a claim about intel bias" is a pretty SEVERE bias

[cyan musk]

just look at 64 core performance if you're so peeved

AMd tends to win afaik

[pale quartz]

ok?

[cyan musk]

so....where's your proof?

that it's flawed?

[pale quartz]

have you looked at their "efps" measurements?

[cyan musk]

it literally averages hundreds to thousands of results, the idea that it's flawed becomes quite difficult to defend at that point

[pale quartz]

uh.. what?

[cyan musk]

I just said it in plain English

I'm not repeating myself for you

[pale quartz]

even though that entire dataset is built on a deliberate intention to favour intel?

[cyan musk]

the numbers that they factor into their end percentage is, at best, favorable to Intel. whether that's because of bias or because their favored variables are something Intel excels at is something you haven't established

[pale quartz]

right, this is pretty common knowledge in the PC industry, but UB got so pissed off that ryzen, on the first generation was performing so close to coffee lake that they deliberately changed the "algorithm" so favour the weights so that intel would score higher

[cyan musk]

I contend that the variables they focus on are what they think matters most for gaming. and oh, isn't it crazy how Intel has been doing better with gaming for years because of a well known mechanism?

[pale quartz]

no lol

no, whatsoever

[cyan musk]

cache latency lmao

ignorance is bliss I suppose

[pale quartz]

the "variables" they focus on were changed to favour intel processors

you see the problem here?

[cyan musk]

only if you find a flaw in their variables

[pale quartz]

...

[cyan musk]

you can't though

or at least, I've never seen it. and neither have you I take it. never seen data that proves userbenchmark is wrong

[pale quartz]

i mean if youre so inclined to follow data which is run by an intel shill then sure go ahead nobody's stopping you lol

doesnt make the site any less invalid than it already is

[cyan musk]

and if you're inclined to use your intuition to make decisions, go for it

just don't claim you have a rational basis

[pale quartz]

what?

[cyan musk]

you don't like that Intel beats amd. that's all this is for you

[pale quartz]

uh.. no?

why would i care who beats another?

[cyan musk]

if it wasn't, you'd post some proof of any kind that the scores they have don't correlate

because that's your only argument

[pale quartz]

so what, im an AMD fanboy or something?

[cyan musk]

Intel beats amd therefore its flawed

[pale quartz]

no..

no lol

you dont get this at all

[cyan musk]

then what's your proof??

[pale quartz]

do you not understand, they changed their "algorithm" after ryzen launched?

this has nothing to do with the results

i dont give a shit about the leaderboards

[cyan musk]

that isn't proof of your claim

[pale quartz]

..?

[cyan musk]

gravity and its applications changed after relativity was discovered. does that mean anything for how the new calcs are wrong?

[pale quartz]

what?

[cyan musk]

just because they changed it doesn't support your claim that it's wrong

ok how many times are you gonna play dumb lmao

you think merely the fact that Intel came out on top with an algorithmic/calculational revision, that they must be biased and inaccurate. this is completely wrong

[pale quartz]

haha yeah, its because, AMD scored lower

thats the reason

[cyan musk]

that seems to be what you're saying, yes

[pale quartz]

you got me man, i need to wear AMD on my shirt now

[cyan musk]

ok keep crying about how lower latency cpus are beating higher ones because muh conspiracy

not like you can go see the latency numbers on ub on your own or anything

[pale quartz]

even though the latency has zilch to how they calculate efps isnt it

even by, their own admission

[cyan musk]

oh will you post proof this time

[pale quartz]

but yeah you got me im an AMD fanboy and thats the reason i dont use fraudulent data

[cyan musk]

where does it mention latency

[pale quartz]

not like intel themselves are moving over from monolithic designs to titles (oh wait spoiler they are and it had nothing to do with latency)

curious that

[cyan musk]

fraudulent data that everyone runs and is thus comparable

you can try to claim the benchmarks aren't reflective of real performance, but it is reflective of relative performance at those benchmarks

nowhere in that picture above do they mention latency

[pale quartz]

yeah no lol, if a guy is trying to perform a study to find out which proportion of the population prefer blue or red out of a sample of 5000 people, and he himself favours red, then changes the weight for what they consider "relative" to favour red, then that entire dataset is fraudulent and 0 conclusions can be drawn from it

same goes for userbenchmark

[cyan musk]

if that were the case. which you haven't established

[humble iris]

All I know is who ever has the best CPU/Platform at the best price gets my vote.

And doesnt cook

[cyan musk]

intel can beat amd up for price/performance if it really wanted to

[cyan musk]

also either way, that isn't how data works lol. you're saying one meta variable destroys the legitimacy of all the other variables. how?

[pale quartz]

..?

[cyan musk]

he makes a new formula for the meta variable. that doesn't impact the other variables.

how do you not understand such simple concepts lol

if you wanted to argue that the benchmarks themselves were changed, then you'd have a point

but they weren't

[pale quartz]

yeah its pretty, odd, to me that the notion that flawed foundations often result in their conclusions being wrong isnt permeating here

[cyan musk]

it isn't even a flawed foundation??

you just said that they changed the end result percentage thing. that isn't a foundation, that's the conclusion

[pale quartz]

i never said they changed the end result..?

stop confusing yourself

[cyan musk]

...

you said they changed the end percentage thing to favor Intel right?

[pale quartz]

no

i didnt

stop saying i did

[cyan musk]

you said it right here. he changes the weight for the variables that he thinks are important

[pale quartz]

no..? i have never said end percentage once??

[cyan musk]

so...what are you even talking about?

what was changed?

[pale quartz]

^

im not going over this again

ive been pretty clear whats happened

[cyan musk]

so...they added a new thing

[pale quartz]

no

[cyan musk]

they didn't change anything

[pale quartz]

..

[cyan musk]

are you actually joking?

[pale quartz]

no..?

[cyan musk]

I hope so, for your sake

you claimed they changed something. how did they change efps?

[pale quartz]

...

[cyan musk]

so...nothing

[pale quartz]

please just watch the video by hardware unboxed lol

im not sitting here for 30 minutes trying to explain something when all youve bothered doing is making up stuff ive supposedly said

after youve watched it itll become crystal clear

[cyan musk]

you're just bad at communicating my man

[pale quartz]

RPL will be pretty price competitive

should be good for end consumers

[cyan musk]

when did they change efps?

and anyway, I never use efps. I use it for the other numbers it has lol

and the website itself tends to use its end percentage thing

[pale quartz]

ive already explained 90% of this and im not doing it again just watch the video

[humble iris]

RPL?

[pale quartz]

raptor lake 13th gen

[humble iris]

Ohh damn I was trying hard to figure it out

[cyan musk]

bruh the video is literally talking about changes to the effective speed percentage

[pale quartz]

its a 40 minute video, i didnt mean, watch 5 minutes of it then jump to conclusions

[humble iris]

and maybe even an HEDT to, but 14th Gen is going to be sick AF

[cyan musk]

I watched the 5 minutes until they start talking about the weighted changes

[pale quartz]

..

[cyan musk]

stop making desperate excuses

do they even mention efps? did efps even exist when this video was made?

[pale quartz]

RPL for 13th will be pretty powerful, current in line specs are 24.. cores and 4.2ghz iirc

its under a diff codename wont be released as raptor lake but you get the idea

[humble iris]

Intel made that breakthrough desegrated or whatever its called

[pale quartz]

tiles?

[humble iris]

chiplets?

[pale quartz]

yeah intel's tiles are just the same thing as chiplets under a different name, meteor lake will have them

[humble iris]

Supposed to be a huge performance

[pale quartz]

it will be in terms of IPC, but the actual "massive performance" will come later with royal core/nova lake

[humble iris]

I may wait even longer now, I solved my audio processing issues with a new interface, so I can hold out maybe 2 years. Maybe!

[pale quartz]

youll be waiting longer than that, nova lake is 2025 et atm

[humble iris]

depending if some new game comes out and crushes my PC

[pale quartz]

rpl/meteor/al/ll/nova in that order

[humble iris]

I don't know if I can hold out 3

[pale quartz]

its possible nova lake as a product gets canned but i wouldnt put bets on it

towards the arrow lake era is when things will really start ramping anyways

[humble iris]

Might have to just build a mainstream PC I'm mainly after X CPUs

[cyan musk]

so...efps didn't even exist in 2019 lol

I'm 23 minutes in, when do they mention that they changed the efps thing?

[humble iris]

You're like the energizer bunny

[pale quartz]

how so?

[cyan musk]

dude, he was literally wrong. he claimed they didn't change the effective speed percentage, but they did

and he posted a video about how they changed the effective speed percentage to prove that they changed efps. which didn't even exist

[pale quartz]

this discussion ends here please stop making up stuff i never said

thanks

[humble iris]

If I build like a 12700K/13700K or something to wait for a good HEDT, X CPU later on, have a TOK build so to speak

[cyan musk]

deco are you a troll?

[pale quartz]

no

as i said, quit it

[cyan musk]

you just said you didn't say anything

[honest sandal]

@pale quartz should I buy next gen intel

[humble iris]

C'mon man, lets have friendly discussion about CPUs

[pale quartz]

rpl? sure dont see why not

if youre willing to wait for it to come out anyways

[honest sandal]

Yeah I’m not planning on building for a year or so

[cyan musk]

when people are objectively wrong and they still dishonestly make excuses for why they aren't, why should I be friendly to them?

first time I talked to this dude i got dmd about how he's like this

[pale quartz]

ok i am tired of this nonsense, just so we're clear, the "effective speed", is the effective fps, they are the same page,

so please stop making up stuff i never said

[cyan musk]

they literally aren't though?

efps is on a separate part of the website from effective speed

[pale quartz]

you.. ugh yeah no im not continuing this lol

[cyan musk]

jfc. you're literally wrong

are you going to claim that you didn't say that too?

[pale quartz]

RPL will be roughly 20%~ over ADL so itll be a worthy upgrade

[honest sandal]

I have a 10700k

[pale quartz]

15-20% depending on the SKU

[pale quartz]

then 35-45~ is probable

[honest sandal]

I’ll Probably go with whatever the i9 is