im not talking about the user here
#technology
dry pike
Ah, wasn't clear from the chat.
pale quartz
^
pale quartz
unlike the former MLID actually has decent info
i dont take neither but i get similar details that he gets
some minor things are wrong but generally hes on the right track
molten flame
I'm hearing that RDNA2 RX 6X50XT refresh will be a replacement, not an alternative
For AIBs anyway
honest sandal
i'll be rebuilding my pc in 2023, @pale quartz i'm going to send you like 9,000 part lists until i figure it out
just so you know
pale quartz
pale quartz
unfortunately yes it is
honest sandal
YOU PLAYED YOURSELF DECO
molten flame
dry pike
MrThrax doesn't work on games, and doesn't make parts lists ... what do MrThrax do I wonder
honest sandal
@dry pike
Cloud, CI/CD, Python, Systems, Linux, Docker, K8S, etc
dry pike
Ah nifty 🙂
Also, while I have an idea of what CI/CD is I'm just going to choose to believe that it is command interfaces and compact disks
vagrant epoch
desert bear
Hello 
distant vine
anyone able to have their bluetooth headphone working with mic on?
haven't encountered this problem since early days, been fine for a couple of months, then it's back again
toxic wigeon
What keyboards should I avoid?
I was wondering what keyboards I should go for but then I realised there are a lot of good ones so I figured that was the better question.
honest sandal
I wouldn't say there's any keyboards you should inherently avoid, just depends on the feature set you're looking for and the price you're willing to pay
supple bane
What keyboards *should* I avoid?
any GAMINGGG!! mechanical keyboards under like 50 dollars ?
i had one, it broke, quickly
the switches, whilst yes mechanical, were awful.
if youre going to buy a mechanical keyboard, get a proper one. and it most certainly doesnt have to be a gaming keyboard, they are just tacky
supple bane
the switches, whilst yes mechanical, were awful.
the decent membrane keyboard i had before was loads better.
was more durable, felt nicer and even sounded nicer in a way
cosmic warren
can someone help me with 2042
How do you fix it starting at intro every time you launched the game on pc anyone?
and it resets my binds and graphical settings everytime so f ing annoying
if i can't fix this im probably going to stop playing this game
storm osprey
What keyboards *should* I avoid?
personally i woudlnt buy just about ANY "gaming keyboard" unless they are sale. typically gaming keyboards are extremely overpriced for what you get, and its mostly for RGB and other trivial features.
toxic wigeon
Yeah that's true, I'm purposely looking for RGB so it's easier to find in the dark, even through memory it'll still help a lot.
molten coral
Building my own keyboard was one of the best QoL things I've done to my setup
storm osprey
rgb is great for that, but im talking about the corsair k90 rgb rave light show and customization that gets you
that keyboard
toxic wigeon
Kek.
molten coral
RGB 
toxic wigeon
Jesus.
storm osprey
im converting nacho
molten coral
my next pc is gonna be a small form factor
toxic wigeon
To be honest the only reason why I bothered with rgb ram was just for a bit of extra light.
Really that's it.
storm osprey
at least rgb ram is like and extra 20 at most
toxic wigeon
Ye.
storm osprey
really the individual price of getting rgb for certain products usually isnt bad, but then it all adds up to some extra 200 bucks for rgb
molten coral
I paid like 250 for RGB fans 
storm osprey
and my 8 dollar arctic p12 are better
molten coral
eh the difference is probably almost nothing
storm osprey
oh yea, but the price difference isnt
molten coral
supple bane
he's got you there ol nacho
i also wouldnt mind the challenge of an itx build. but i wouldnt cuz my desk would look empty
@molten coral you have a big desk too. maybe something to think about
molten coral
I've enough game collectibles that I would be able to fill up that space.
storm osprey
id only go itx if i moved it constantly
i know thermals in my old case for my specs were pretty warm, i cant imagine what itx would do unless its open
supple bane
If you get a decent case it's generally ok
That's why they are so expensive. It takes a lot of thought and generally complicated parts production
Not just flat plates in normal cases
storm osprey
eh, id rather not anyway, my pc doesnt leave my house and im not vying for space
proud trellis
id only go itx if i moved it constantly
wouldnt it just be better to get a laptop at that point ?
storm osprey
ehhhhhhhhh, depends
when i say move it constantly i mean like going to a friends and brining my pc
storm osprey
sus
proud trellis
seems familiar
molten flame
toxic wigeon
OH NO I THOUVHT NOT IT WAS WAS.
I GHOUGHT IT WAS A FUNNY ADAPTER FOR THE MEMES BUT I DIDNT REALISE IT IM SO SORRY.
honest sandal
@toxic wigeon do you need to mute yourself?
toxic wigeon
<@267109533388636160> do you need to mute yourself?
proud trellis
I GHOUGHT IT WAS A FUNNY ADAPTER FOR THE MEMES BUT I DIDNT REALISE IT IM SO SORR...
LMAO
was funny
quasi raptor
can someone explain me why my 1.5 year old laptop with nvme ssd boots for around max 20 sec and shuts down for 9 minutes?
It started before 3 days
storm osprey
is that drive over 70% full?
vast valley
prime jasper
:::Holding
pale quartz
I was wondering what keyboards I should go for but then I realised there are a l...
clicky switches
toxic wigeon
clicky switches
Can you give good clicky switches?
toxic wigeon
Oh true.
Mechanical tactile is something I wanna look for. If I can't I'll just resort to suggestions.
If it exists mind you.
pale quartz
get mechanical linear if you can
north crow
pale quartz
strong breach
clickclick
ebon yarrow
Clears baby! 🤘
molten flame
Razer greens, they echo through the whole house 
proud trellis
Razer greens, they echo through the whole house <:leo:760110335687524423>
I’ve got razor greens
molten flame
I want switches that feel like a click but make no noise
storm osprey
gazzew boba u4
molten flame
storm osprey
ive not personally tried them, but the bump is a D profile, while most are P, they are insanely silent and thocky sounding, dont even need to lube or film them
molten flame
RX 7900XT = 32GB
RX 7900(?) = 16GB
RX 7800XT = 12GB
RX 7700XT = 8GB
7700XT is 1080p focused and faster than 6900XT
proud trellis
but you dont listen to your frickin elderrrrs
meh they are alright
but sometimes i do listen to you
storm osprey
sometimes...
sinful mantle
that time I all but begged you to re-seat your ram
dry pike
I once had the weirdest issue. Only thing that fixed it was not only re-seating the ram, but disassembling the computer and reassembling it 😄
quick locust
:P
quick locust
I once had the weirdest issue. Only thing that fixed it was not only re-seating ...
When there's one loose cable or pin but you don't know where
toxic wigeon
Holy.
proud trellis
I once had the weirdest issue. Only thing that fixed it was not only re-seating ...
I feel like I need to do that to tbh
my PC keeps freezing
quick locust
Put a 3090 ti in it, lots of heat
dry pike
30% more heat than a regular 3090 which was already stupid,
quick locust
dry pike
lies
quick locust
Wireless fans
supple bane
What should I look for in an outdoor WiFi extender. Need it to do about 25m and through a wall. Preferable an Ethernet input, not just a booster.
honest sandal
What should I look for in an outdoor WiFi extender. Need it to do about 25m and ...
Outdoor access point
supple bane
Outdoor access point
i know that. i probably wasnt specific. i want to know if anyone knows any good ones
humble iris
What I hate is USB 2.0 on modern motherboards. Useless.
humble iris
What should I look for in an outdoor WiFi extender. Need it to do about 25m and ...
So basically a wireless router that connects to the DHCP server (Main Router or Modem) and you can plug a laptop into it. Why not just use a Wi-Fi card?
Probably something like this https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Wi-Fi-Range-Extender-EX7000/dp/B00R92CLD6
supple bane
Probably something like this https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Wi-Fi-Range-Extender...
It's going outside on a wall
Basically we have a summer house at the end of the garden, we tried literally the same thing as the above but a much cheaper one in a waterproof box and it's wank
Lucky to get 10 mbps from it
Another option is a powerline adapter cuz we have buried a cable running to it. We never thought to Bury ethernet at the same time tho. 
prime jasper
With Ubuntu 22.04LTS( https://ubuntu.com/blog/ubuntu-22-04-lts-released ) having been released and Fedora 36 releasing in 4 days( https://news.itsfoss.com/fedora-36-release-date-features/ ) what do you guys think are the chances EA will add EAC Linux support for Battlefield 2042 like they did with Apex( https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2022/03/01/apex-legends-now-works-on-linux-with-official-eac-support/ )?
honest sandal
With Ubuntu 22.04LTS( https://ubuntu.com/blog/ubuntu-22-04-lts-released ) having...
apex legends and battlefield are on completely different game engines
prime jasper
I know, one uses Source(at least that's what I heard) the other uses Frostbite, what I'm getting at is that both use EAC for their anti-cheat solution which supports Linux as long as the developer enables it.
I'm putting this out that I'm personally am hoping for them to support Linux as all my computers run Ubuntu.
honest sandal
yeah but the anti cheat supporting linux, and the game engine supporting linux are two completely different things
and yes bf is frostbite and apex is source
i don't think there's ever been a frostbite game on linux
prime jasper
Apex doesn't have a native Linux port either, WINE handles the piping of Windows API calls to Linux API calls.
Also BF4, BF1, and BFV all work on Linux.
Even BF2042 is able to boot on Linux and run with the only issue being EAC can't start as it doesn't have the EAC Linux library.
So the need to port to Linux is no longer a necessity(though is preferred seeing as native games offer better performance), the only extra steps needed is including the EAC Linux library with the game.
odd current
Can someone help me to get BF5 60fps on the ps5? i have an older tv which does 1080p. Tick rate on games is still 30hz.
sinful mantle
NetGear Orbi Outdoor WIFI extender
toxic wigeon
Hey so I need a bit of help.
My mum wants more Ram in her laptop and we've done a bit of research and I'm a bit confused. I'm looking at sticking a 16 gig piece of UDIMM memory to stick in, Should that be possible? Cause there's RDIMM and all that sorta shit.
prime jasper
Hey so I need a bit of help.
My mum wants more Ram in her laptop and we've done ...
How many pins is the RAM in there now?
toxic wigeon
Err as in slots?
prime jasper
Easier maybe, what is in there now?
prime jasper
Windows 10?
toxic wigeon
Yeah windows 10.
ember bolt
you to figure out if your motherboard supports UDIMM right?
toxic wigeon
Yeah I'm just wondering cause what it is now, It has a ryzon 5500 U so we know it can take in DDR4.
prime jasper
Ok. What laptop is it? We can search the laptop and see what it supports
That is actually alot easier.
toxic wigeon
Uhhh..... Lemme see if I can get the product name kek.
prime jasper
ok
stable frost
if anyone can help, i installed bf 3 on windows 11 and the game stuck on initialization. tried other browsers, updating everything. changes to an entry in the registry. but nothing helps 😦
toxic wigeon
@prime jasper Lenovo Ideapad Slim 3 with the 5500 U.
prime jasper
<@456226577798135808> Lenovo Ideapad Slim 3 with the 5500 U.
old. Hold on
prime jasper
<@456226577798135808> Lenovo Ideapad Slim 3 with the 5500 U.
Bad news...The ram is soldered to the Motherboard.
toxic wigeon
Ah shit.
prime jasper
"Memory
4 GB Soldered DDR4 3200MHz + 4 GB SO-DIMM DDR4 3200MHz"
ember bolt
yeah
toxic wigeon
Hey.
It's better that we learned rather than go ahead, buy the ram and then find that out.
pale quartz
most laptop memory is soldered for heat dissipation reasons, you won't find upgradable memory except on high end line laptop SKUs
ember bolt
just download more ram instead 
toxic wigeon
So on the store it says it can be upgraded to 12 gigs.
We might look at that.
But fuck.
ember bolt
yeah one 8 gb ram and the soldered 4 gb ram 
pale quartz
So the need to port to Linux is no longer a necessity(though is preferred seeing...
so the need to port to Linux is no longer a necessity
misunderstanding of how EAC works, supporting EAC in Linux is in effect, porting the game
EAC does not support dual windows and Linux integrations at once, both have to be integrated segregated from each other, WINE does not handle the file integration calls that EAC uses to verify game integrity, only D3D level calls
toxic wigeon
Now I have to find out what can I stick into the laptop.
pale quartz
don't expect DICE to support Linux whatsoever for the time being in 2042, Linux is a tiny percentage of any active user who plays the game and from a development standpoint they won't even take it on board if, and until when the steam deck gains popularity
toxic wigeon
Deco, Does it matter if I get RDIMM or UDIMM?
pale quartz
yes
RDIMM is exclusive to its own channel only, your soldered memory is UDIMM, connecting both will cause memory corruption to occur during data transit
if your laptop already has 8gb it'll already have the SODIMM installed, so you won't be able to upgrade it
toxic wigeon
Uhhh....
pale quartz
has it got 4gb or 8gb of usable memory?
toxic wigeon
8 gig.
pale quartz
yeah it already has 2 sticks then
toxic wigeon
Oh yeah alright, Got that part. So If I want to stick in more ram, I have to get UDIMM or SODIMM?
Replace the other half.
pale quartz
nope, you cannot
toxic wigeon
Oh.
pale quartz
it's impossible
toxic wigeon
I was just thinking of what you said so yeah.
pale quartz
the laptop IMC's are locked down for SODIMM channels to a maximum amount which is why they support "up to" on different models
you'll need to get a different laptop if you want to upgrade it
pale quartz
what you get with lower tier laptops, compromises to the internals that most consider an afterthought, till it matters
toxic wigeon
To reaffirm.
Soldered Ram in laptops always follow SODIMM procedures.
If it isn't soldered, It's always either RDIMM or UDIMM, Correct?
pale quartz
you won't get RDIMM on laptops
RDIMMs are registered memory addresses they have essentially 0 utility and OEMs don't include them for laptops, server side purposes
toxic wigeon
Odd. So Sodi and Udi is always laptop?
pale quartz
99.9% of the time it'll be UDIMM
SO-DIMM is a size protocol
(U/R)DIMM identify if it's buffered or unbuffered memory, U = unbuffered R = registered buffered memory
pale quartz
yes
toxic wigeon
It has 4 gigs of soldered memory. So I could replace the other half.
pale quartz
SO-DIMM is just used to separate from regular size memory basically
toxic wigeon
Yeah.
pale quartz
It has 4 gigs of soldered memory. So I could replace the other half.
no you can't
you already have a stick in the other half
and your laptop only supports up to 4GB on the other port
toxic wigeon
That makes sense. So even if they say you can upgrade it, That really isn't the case?
pale quartz
it's impossible, your laptop won't boot
it's what maximum upgraded means
the stick physically won't be read by the IMC if it exceeds 4GB
toxic wigeon
So even if it says expandable. It doesn't mean anything.
pale quartz
no, it is expandable, just they sell laptops without the expandable memory, from the OEM POV anyways
whoever you bought it from will have added more by themselves
toxic wigeon
Got it.
Side note. I feel like I'm gonna have a stroke everytime I say RDIMM, SODIMM and UDIMM out loud.
ember bolt
probably would have the same if I tried
pale quartz
just wait till you both hear about CDIMM then
slow dune
BODIE
toxic wigeon
SCOTT.
ember bolt
quick locust
most laptop memory is soldered for heat dissipation reasons, you won't find upgr...
Never had one with soldered except Surface RT, and I haven't had high end ever. 😛
red rune
Anyone got any idea what’s the best fps mouse out right now?
molten flame
There's many and it will just come down to preference
red rune
I’m kinda in between the deatadder or the g502
molten flame
G502 is better but the shape can throw people off
red rune
Awesome ya thought so I’ve been using bulky mouses for a while now been using razer nagga for fps cuz it’s all I got but now it’s starting to get worn out
molten flame
I have a deathadder and I like that it's big and has a smooth rounded shape
red rune
Ya it looks very comfortable just been hearing that the g502 hero is a laser lol
supple bane
Ya it looks very comfortable just been hearing that the g502 hero is a laser lol
wut
i can confirm its not lmao
its 25600 dpi optical
its a good sensor.
red rune
i can confirm its not lmao
An okay lol prob shouldn’t believe the reviews some of the reviews
supple bane
who said it was a laser? was it a video or a written review ?
red rune
Written
supple bane
the death adder is ok, i tried it once and didnt like the switches. its comfortable though.
personally id go with the g502. but im biased so
red rune
personally id go with the g502. but im biased so
Gotcha thanks just wanted a live review lol even rediit said g502 is better but same time redit prob not the best to look for options lol
cursive ermine
Hello guys, I have i5-10400f and my fps sometimes drops to 50 FPS on Manifest. I watched few benchmarks with the cpu and they had more fps than me most of the time, can it be caused by my B560M-K motherboard? (i unlocked the cpu power limits aswell)
supple bane
the motherboard wont be the cause
cursive ermine
the motherboard wont be the cause
do you think that 3200 mhz 1x16gb ram could be the issue?
cursive ermine
hm
supple bane
you need to get another stick
cursive ermine
when i turn on the fps overlay in bf 2042 it turns the cpu fps red
all other numbers are green
supple bane
do you think that 3200 mhz 1x16gb ram could be the issue?
this is bfv, but it affects all games heavily. just some more some less. i know bfv is on the higher end of that scale though
cursive ermine
hm
supple bane
i imagine 2042 is the same since its also cpu demanding
cursive ermine
would the result be the same for 2x8gb compared to 1x16gb??
supple bane
yes
cursive ermine
alright thank you
humble iris
Now I have to find out what can I stick into the laptop.
I just match the sticks and upgrade it. pull the old stick and replace it with a larger one that is the same spec. Thats all you can do. also check the max capacity it can use. might be 8 or 16 GB I've upgrade a couple of those Ideapads. However the modules will not be matched. and may run in single channel mode.
why the hell 1 is soldered at low capacity and the other not, is really crappy.
I hate those eMMC storage as well..
It may also run in dual channel up to the matched size, then the extra memory will run in single or slower.
idle dust
are you guys familiar with drones?
cursive ermine
are you guys familiar with drones?
yes, i love to put c4 on mine and run into tanks with it
idle dust
yes, i love to put c4 on mine and run into tanks with it
I mean real-life drones.
dry pike
Seeing Westie putting his name next to the Alienware Aurora R13 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_4-c4VYYbo after having seen Gamers Nexus demolish it just previously https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY1dlVPzUVo makes me sad.
But yeah, keep those proprietary cases with proprietary PSU and motherboard far far away from me.
toxic wigeon
The fact you'd put those parts in a case LIKE THAT kills me.
quick locust
It's not that the engineering team did bad job
They just have very shit case to build from
toxic wigeon
That's the thing. Good parts bad case.
quick locust
The tooling and the metal case itself is something Dell keeps recycling over and over
toxic wigeon
If the case didn't have everything on a chokehold it'd be a pretty cool pc.
quick locust
So they overenginered parts of it to try to still use the case
Ancient case that still has 80mm
sonic rose
hey all...i thing is time to by 2042.i come from 1 and v.i play with 1080 ti ftw3---ryzen 5 3600---and 16 ram 2400mhz.....can i play it in medium and with what fps?thanks
quick locust
Need a lot more details than that, but check benchmarks for the cpu and gpu.
sonic rose
thanks my friend...
molten flame
Ryzen 3600 and 1080Ti are good pair
sonic rose
😅
molten flame
GTX 1080Ti is close to 10% faster than the RTX 3060
sonic rose
GTX 1080Ti is close to 10% faster than the RTX 3060
thanks my friend....i dont know maby play someone here with this
prime jasper
Mg42
pale quartz
hey all...i thing is time to by 2042.i come from 1 and v.i play with 1080 ti ftw...
that memory is pretty abysmal and will handicap your performance severely for zen 2, cl163200 compared to that will be a 10-30 frame increase across the board
supple bane
that memory is pretty abysmal and will handicap your performance severely for ze...
I don't think it would be as much as 30 fps. But a noticeable increase for sure
pale quartz
I don't think it would be as much as 30 fps. But a noticeable increase for sure
30 regarding top marginal improvements, rather than an average
15-20 is will be the median
supple bane
I understand, my point stands though.
molten flame
Yeah talking percentages I'd say around 3-10% increase going from 2400 to 3200 MHz memory depending on game
humble iris
Stupid new ASUS laptop I had to buy for me Son's school work, cannot setup Win 11 without internet. I already knew that, but you can no longer access command to bypass it. they borked it. User Account required no way around it anymore.
It used to be fun setting up a new pc, now it just pisses me off
humble iris
I guess if you still have an older version on USB or ISO you can install it and bypass by disconnecting network devices, or using command prompt, then update the latest version. Not sure how it handles updates when no user account. What really sucks is you login, then you can setup a default offline account, makes absolutely no sense other then keeping tabs on people.
Windows 11 S is a joke
I don't even know what to do in the OS, like nothing I use even exists anymore, they have successfully fazed me out. lol..
I've spent more time uninstalling the forced bloatware then actually setting anything up
I'm sure ASUS is responsible for some of it
Faster and more secure = forced and controled
quick locust
It's a bit of a mess
humble iris
I'm not sure I will build another PC, I may be done.
quick locust
I guess if you still have an older version on USB or ISO you can install it and ...
I had pro at the time
humble iris
I read even Pro is forced as well.
quick locust
Yeah, now it is on new installs
humble iris
All my PCs have 10 pro
humble iris
mainly I use the Remote Desktop in Pro to access all the Media PCs, and Servers, and what not
I had enterprise on a laptop, I bought pro and it activated as enterprise, I didn't notice what was different, was probably things I did not use.
quick locust
Yeah, mostly workstation features
humble iris
I know I could not connect to a NAS or shared folders with it
quick locust
Most wouldn't use them
humble iris
I'm having to uninstall 5 different 365 apps in different languages on this POS ASUS laptop
good thing I can read French and Espanol
Desinstallation of this trash
de vorte ordinateur
OMG I have to do it for OneNote as well
this is the dumbest thing they can do to eMMC storage device of 64GB
humble iris
Oh no I had to remove that as well
or something of the nature
Programs and Features is gone now
only 20 gigs left of space lol..
I hope there is a M.2 slot in here, the laptop is not much bigger then m.2 drive, lol
11.6"
humble iris
doubtful but hopeful
4GB Memory embeded 3.83 usable single channel i'm sure
64GB eMMC``` Will it play BF2042.I don't think it will play BF2142
Microsoft Teams worth keeping for school laptop?
OMG using the 11.6" screen then using the 27" about made me have seizure
apparently it costs $1.10 to run it all year
Oh I might be able to add 4GB of memory
Some guy said his had a NVMe slot, hopefully is actual NVMe
kindred fulcrum
I don't think it will play BF2142
it wont
toxic wigeon
You sound like you've uncovered an old box containing stuff from your relatives and as you go on you can't imagine what you keep finding.
humble iris
You sound like you've uncovered an old box containing stuff from your relatives ...
lol.. exactly yes
it's piece of trash, but just something cheap for my kids online school, he busted his Dell Laptop, and 10 before that.
SWEEEEETTTT!!!!
Asked 2 months ago by JayT.
A:Answer It has 1 x M.2 SSD connector quantity and can take NGFF 2280 PCIe: 512 GB, 256 GB, 128 GB.
Answered 2 months ago by ASUS Answers```Also found that the ram is not upgradable, hopefully it is when I put a m.2 in it I'll double check
I think the neatest feature is the track pad doubles as a 10=key.
and the entire key is highlighted
humble iris
Wow XBOX game pass is included with this laptop. LMAO ROFL
quick locust
lol
well, could use xcloud i guess
not much else
Maybe easy to run games like Obra Dinn
humble iris
At least no Norton?
It was McAfee
humble iris
It says S mode performs better, how? is it a gimmick?
helps maintain system performance
quick locust
Mostly gimmick, it's just restricted mode
Only allows UWP/Store programs
And requires you to use edge, though edge isn't bad nowadays
humble iris
yeah thats what I figured, I hate to switch it in case I have to return it, but I'm sure his school stuff will require I switch it out of S, and he needs it in the morning so I'm just going to switch it out of S
quick locust
Yeah sure
humble iris
OMG you have to sign in with Microsoft account to switch out of S mode
humble iris
OMG use this account everywhere, windows will use this account everywhere on this device. This is what I didn't want, and you can't say NO
and it literally was a ploy to get you signed in
there is literally no where to log out of this POS
my account is locked to this laptop
humble iris
Yeah but email is still tied to the laptop, no way to remove it
humble iris
https://tenor.com/view/whitepeopledancing-dancing-windows95-win95-microsoft-gif-...
lol @ that GIF. 
quick locust
Old microsoft 😛
But go to accounts and email, then delete it from there
Need to add a new local account before you can remove the old microsoft one though, obviously
humble iris
thats what I tried to do, but it wont work, you can never delete the main account
quick locust
cause you're signed into it rn
Make new local account, set it as admin, log into it then delete the microsoft one from there
humble iris
okay trying it now
okay so far it's working, last time I did not change to admin account, this time will work, thanks..
got to wait for setup
It's a learning curve trying to get around all this crap, the laptop will always be tied to my account by activation server and mac address. but at least I can get my info out of it.
quick locust
Yeeah
quick locust
okay so far it's working, last time I did not change to admin account, this time...
Need admin to remove/edit other accounts
humble iris
Yeah that was the problem
It worked, thanks
now it looks right
my picture is gone now, and just default avatar
Nice okay my account is gone from edge now as well
OMG I have to uninstall all this crap again
quick locust
lol
humble iris
Microsoft sucks, I'm seriously going to start using Linux
I just purchased several hundred dollars worth of Amp Sim Plugins, and here I am wanting to switch, I'll just use 10 until it ceases to function.
I got an email thanking me for choosing Windows 11, I didn't choose though, it chose me, lol...
humble iris
Yeah it comes quick, I have had to switch so many times. been doing it since the 80's
the hardest one for me was XP, I loved XP so much, and I still do
quick locust
Same, though my hardware at the time ran vista just fine
I still use XP often in work though, as thats what our workstations and server uses
humble iris
yeah some of my old machines built for XP will run Windows 10 just fine. I have them all the way back to Windows 3.1 I have like a stack of PCs maybe 30 or so in this house
humble iris
sometimes I want to just haul it all away, but I regret all the old 286/386 IBM PCs I trashed about 15 years ago.
some stuff I didn't even know what it was
just old from 80's 90's I collected
My favorite time was around Win95/98 that was the most epic fun on a PC
humble iris
the protector cover?
quick locust
Yeah
humble iris
damn, I mean I made some mistakes back in the day with AGP/PCI and stuff there was some huge slot before that looked another motherboard connected.
ISA
It was fun back then, because I had no idea what things were, It was mystery when I installed something. Like internet over the air with a TV antenna. or TV as a display. Radar and radio
quick locust
Yeah I can imagine
humble iris
pretty boring stuff today really
quick locust
Yeah, and fewer companies and weird gadgets
humble iris
yep, although there was a lot of rip off gadgets as well.
humble iris
IDK, graphics cards are sure not cheaper, but PCs are really cheap compared to $4000.00 PC that barely could do wordprocessing
quick locust
Lol yeah
humble iris
but then again a graphics card wasn't doing much either
now it can think on it's own
quick locust
quick locust
Also weird that you can't change the process bar on Home
Only pro can shift everything to left
humble iris
I have it shifted to left
quick locust
A guy in another server said you can soon change it more though
humble iris
although it still sucks, but it's moved to left
just adds a click to get where you need to go
kids now a days have issues this design is gone backwards for sure, adding steps is not productive. I had upgraded my laptop, that lasted about 10 minutes I have reverted back for so many reasons. I couldn't get anything done, and that issue with BIOS update loop.
I think that was a few months back, it's not changed much if at all
I hate it for sure.
humble iris
This guy makes perfect sense of the whole Windows 11 trash. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcafzHL8iBQ
quick locust
I think a lot of people will get more used to it over time though
It's not as bad as 8
pale quartz
there is literally no where to log out of this POS
like most things in life there is a reason behind something like this for a technical reason other than "Microsoft forcing you to login", and it's because of bitlocker keys. drives nowadays will by default encrypt themselves, and if you do not make a manual note of them, which you definitely wouldn't have and ended up frying the installation in some way you would need to purge the entire drive and reinstall the OS to have it functioning again, the account ties a backup to these keys so that users don't unwittingly kill their own devices
pale quartz
supple bane
lol
I sent a gpu back cuz I thought it was doa. Turns out I was putting the power cable in upside down
That was a bad day
quick locust
humble iris
like most things in life there is a reason behind something like this for a tech...
Just sounds like control & dependency to me.
pale quartz
Microsoft do not care about you, and they don't care about you using Windows, you're simply a customer, they already know everything about you, and everything you will ever do, they're simply making sure you, and millions of other users don't lock themselves out of their own devices
as much as users like to think they're special and that some evil corporation is personally out to get them, they aren't, they are a massive conglomerate, and every person using the service is simply a number
humble iris
Microsoft do not care about you, and they don't care about you using Windows, yo...
we disagree on this, but it's okay. I understand. It's how they take away you freedom and privacy. I guess I'm just old fashioned and free. But I'm sure I will either end up giving in, or just be done. Not really any other choice cause too many get brain washed
pale quartz
it's not a disagreement, what it "sounds like", isn't a disagreement, it's just ignoring the reality of technical constraints
pale quartz
you just said that full disk encryption sounds like dependency and control
humble iris
the TPM module is
pale quartz
TPM has nothing to do with bitlocker
humble iris
And people not getting locked out of their own devices? thats dependency
pale quartz
is it? or is it just a case that it's impossible to have one, without the other?
humble iris
relying on someone/something to keep their hardware safe
pale quartz
sure I mean, you can keep these abstract principles if you want, it's all fine and handy to believe till you can't access your own drive anymore
humble iris
Do you mean Ransomware protection?
pale quartz
.. no
humble iris
locked out?
pale quartz
locked out, as in physically not being able to use the drive, because it's impossible to decrypt it
humble iris
I have never in 40 years been locked out of anything, so I guess I just don't get it
except maybe my car or house, but I figured it out
pale quartz
yeah well, good luck figuring out a tokenised prime number which has a one and few hundred million chance of being right to access your data when you lock yourself out
humble iris
how do you lock yourself out, and out of what?
pale quartz
when you turn on your PC, there is what's called a chain of trust that's performed to verify signature integrity before you boot into the OS
with things like the motherboard/processor/drive whatever to make sure no unauthorised user has stolen your drive or using it without permission
one of those involves fetching the decryption key for your drive so you can use your data as drives today encrypt and decrypt themselves during startup and shutdown
humble iris
So what if you have a backup drive, and use it on another PC, you have to login to microsoft account, I've never had a drive stolen.
pale quartz
you need to get out of your mindset of "I've never had X" happen
security isn't about if something has happened
humble iris
No I'm just saying I'm 50 and never had one stolen
pale quartz
once something happens, you're shit out of luck
humble iris
why am I SOL though
I think if you phone got stolen and you were logged in then you are SOL
pale quartz
because there's nothing you can do lol, you're compromised, had your bank account drained because someone hijacked your account, security never rests on "proactive measures"
humble iris
what account?
humble iris
I don't have a bank account on a hard drive
pale quartz
..
humble iris
my bank does
pale quartz
let me put it another way, if someone decided it was fine to leave their door unlocked because they've never been burgled before, what do you think happens?
humble iris
the still break the window
pale quartz
no, why would a thief break a window, if they can just open the door
humble iris
or wait for you yo leave and open the door or come home
pale quartz
right
and then boom suddenly they've been burgled because they were incompetent and thought they knew better than the burglars
what can they do then? nothing, it's already happened
humble iris
exactly the need to depend on something for their safety cause they incompetent
pale quartz
the same principle applies here to your data, the only difference is, there is no such thing as "data insurance" to get your stuff back
pale quartz
no.. stop thinking about this in philosophical terms, im talking about encryption
humble iris
well it's just we have different views of it
pale quartz
I mean, if you think a technology which allows the entire premise of the internet to routinely function today is bad to depend on, on the basis that Microsoft are using it, then sure don't use it
good luck finding any other organisation who doesn't use it
humble iris
I buy and pay for something, what I do with it should my decision and mine alone. If I want the dependency then that;s okay, but I should have the decision, I see that their more then likely be some class action lawsuit in the future for not allowing the decision to opt out, or more preferably opt in. then those who are easy will simply say okay.
pale quartz
lol there will be no lawsuit
humble iris
there already has been
pale quartz
you know what would be a lawsuit? if suddenly people did have their accounts locked out
humble iris
over forcing use of products
pale quartz
you mean the case with internet explorer.. which happened in, 2006?
this isn't the days of IE lol
humble iris
I mean this interesting for me having this conversation though, I like hearing your side. And I understand, thats how nations are conquered
pale quartz
nobody is forcing anyone to use Windows, and Microsoft are perfectly within their right to do as they please
they built the software, users live by their obligations
and that's been the premise of court cases for eons
humble iris
So if I don't use windows today none of my software I own will work. So I am forced to use windows, and when 10 expires I will be forced to use 11, right?
pale quartz
no lol they will work, you have alternative options
windows isn't the OS to ever exist
Linux Mac plenty of other competent options
"your software" not working, isn't a premise of forcing you to use Windows
because it's not Microsoft's liability to allow external software to function to begin with
humble iris
right, and I hope people come to their senses and we get more support for Linux, then those distros will start doing the same thing, and we end up back here again.
pale quartz
the only reason people are actively choosing to use Linux, is because of Microsoft
cursive ermine
guys, do you think its worth it to upgrade from single channel 16gb 3200 mhz ram to dual channel 32gb 3600 mhz?
pale quartz
so I'm not exactly sure where you're going with this
humble iris
guys, do you think its worth it to upgrade from single channel 16gb 3200 mhz ram...
absolutely
pale quartz
guys, do you think its worth it to upgrade from single channel 16gb 3200 mhz ram...
CAS latency on the 3600?
humble iris
from single to dual will be huge
cursive ermine
CAS latency on the 3600?
i haven't picked the ones i want yet
pale quartz
your current stick is probably cl163200
only consider upgrading your kit if you are upgrading to cl163600 dual rank
cursive ermine
hm alright
pale quartz
if it's cl183600, you will not gain any performance difference from the cl163200 in dual rank
pale quartz
yes
cursive ermine
alright thanks 🙂
pale quartz
cl18 3600 is equivalent to cl16 3200 in throughput, so you'd just be spending more money for nothing essentially
cheaper just to get one stick and put your current configuration to dual rank
dry pike
cl18 3600 is equivalent to cl16 3200 in throughput, so you'd just be spending mo...
*dependent on platform and other hardware
pale quartz
*dependent on platform and other hardware
it's platform agnostic
on ryzen it's the same throughput and on intel it's the same, just memory calculations for bandwidth and latency
the only "beneficial" method in this instance is forcing the throughput higher either with cl143200/cl163600, which is more additive cost, you will not see any benefit from (and most likely even a regression) from dual rank cl163200 and cl183600
dry pike
Ok I see where you are getting at, let me clarify. The theoretical throughput might be similar, but the effect cas latencies and mhz values have on actual practical system throughput (especially in games) vary quite a bit depending on the factors I mentioned above.
molten flame
AMD RAMP has been renamed to EXPO
EXPO will be responsible for storing two memory overclocking profiles for DDR5 series. The first profile will be optimized for high bandwidth use, whereas the latter will be for low-latency. Our source claims that the second profile is optional.
eager sun
on ryzen it's the same throughput and on intel it's the same, just memory calcul...
3200 CL16-16-16-36
Read 47351 MB/s
Write 46369 MB/s
Copy 42720 MB/s
Latency 42.7 ns
3600 CL18-18-18-38
Read 51213 MB/s
Write 52110 MB/s
Copy 46091 MB/s
Latency 43.4 ns
from a test i did a while ago
pale quartz
no CL163200 or cl183600 kit has those timings
XMP at 3200 for cl16 is 16-18-18-38, and cl18 is 18-20/22-20/22-40/42
pale quartz
EXPO will be responsible for storing two memory overclocking profiles for DDR5 s...
more garbage rebranding 101
this only makes sense for DDR5 because of its asynchronous block transfers but this constant renaming by intel and AMD just confuses customers
eager sun
XMP at 3200 for cl16 is 16-18-18-38, and cl18 is 18-20/22-20/22-40/42
3600 CL18-22-22-42 vs 3200 CL16-18-18-38
Read 51336 MB/s | 47347 MB/s
Write 52033 MB/s | 46976 MB/s
Copy 46152 MB/s | 43597 MB/s
pale quartz
is that ryzen?
eager sun
3 runs each with restarts in between, best bandwidth results out of 3, same very clean os
eager sun
is that ryzen?
No intel
pale quartz
yeah i was about to say, those are so close to each other as to be irrelevant
wont see any difference in game performance from that
(by the initial comment, it was about game framerate for memory performance)
eager sun
(by the initial comment, it was about game framerate for memory performance)
Yes thats how it is with most normie xmps. No game is gonna care about 10GB/s read more and its surely not gonna impact how the game feels. But if people are in between lower freq/lower timings and higher freq/higher timings at roughly the same price i always recommend the higher frequency kit Frequency outweighs even really bad timings like we just saw
pale quartz
Yes thats how it is with most normie xmps. No game is gonna care about 10GB/s re...
normally this is the case if the user doesnt have a memory kit beforehand, i would recommend the 3600 kit, more because theyre marginally higher bins but having one stick changes the dynamic, just isnt worth the cost
eager sun
Oh he just has 1 stick atm
eager sun
cheaper just to get one stick and put your current configuration to dual rank
Ive seen many people have issues when adding memory sticks/using memory sticks that didnt come as a kit. Even if they are „the same“ Especially with random ic xmp profiles. A lot of the time people cant run xmp without issues
pale quartz
Ive seen many people have issues when adding memory sticks/using memory sticks t...
people add random memory sticks?
molten flame
AM5 X670 motherboards to feature dual-chiplet chipsets
eager sun
people add random memory sticks?
Yes. Not like really random. Most people get the same stick/kit they already own. But then ic rng kicks in, the sticks are not the same and xmp doesnt run.
humble iris
Mine is CMK32GX4M4Z3200C16
32GB 3200MHZ ( 16-18-18-36 ) Quad Channel Kit
Man the price has gone way down on it too.
humble iris
Ive seen many people have issues when adding memory sticks/using memory sticks t...
This happens more then people think. they get blue screens and such, but most will brush it off as they don't have issues. Maybe realize it later down the road and remember somebody told them about it.
humble iris
With a huge side helping of latency
That's why I passed on the PLX chip on a workstation board one time
But still, that is nice to have never the less.
molten flame
X670 is like two B650 chipsets together, B650 is supposed to have equal/more lanes than X570
humble iris
I'm glad they are developing boards with more lanes. That's good news
molten flame
I imagine Zen 4 CPU has more lanes than Zen 3 as well
humble iris
With all the new A/V cards coming out lately, it's time to expand PCIe again. Multi-cam inputs, ASIO Audio cards, Video capture, etc.. Can't wait to see what it comes to. Except Microsoft gonna ruin it all with Windows 11. lol..
I think Elgato has a PCIe 4 HDMI capture card for 4 cameras.
By the way Elgato is what I call me cat.
It's only an X4, but still occupies a whole slot. but I think this kool. https://www.elgato.com/en/cam-link-pro
prime jasper
nerds
humble iris
Geek
humble iris
Elon Musk actually bought Twitter? Wow!
molten flame
Gigachad move
humble iris
I took the back off that little laptop, and there was an M.2 slot, only got 1700 read and 1500 write from a SN750. That's much faster then I was expecting. less then half the NVMe speed. Also was screw missing on the CPU heat sink, luckily is loose inside that's how I realized it. the heatsink is copper or brass thinner then a beer can. Glad I opened it. If there is a ram slot it's on the other side of the board. behind the battery. I didn't check, not really worth it.
CPU temp dropped about 10° Celsius from that missing screw.
idle
bus is PCIe 2.0 that explains the M.2 speed
pale quartz
Elon Musk actually bought Twitter? Wow!
not final yet
the acquisition will need to be approved by the SEC, and its not clear if they'll approve the bid
humble iris
the acquisition will need to be approved by the SEC, and its not clear if they'l...
Yeah. I actually signed up for a Twitter account again, I had deleted all mine previously.
midnight crypt
not like the platform will change with a new owner
people on it are still the same
humble iris
IDK, maybe
My wife opened Hers yesterday and it was permanently deactivated for breaking the rules. She has not even used it. Twitter is trash pretty much.
They give no reason, or info. just delete, by, F'U
prime jasper
Can anyone suggest me a wireless headset that is LOUD. I have the Logitech G Pro X Wireless / Astro A50, and both are to quiet for PUBG.
prime jasper
Can anyone suggest me a wireless headset that is LOUD. I have the Logitech G Pro...
Skullcandy or hyperX
midnight crypt
turn up the volume
umbral compass
I got me "real" headphones, DT 770 Pro (80 Ohm), and use them in conjunction with a free digital equalizer, called "Peace", which allows you to amplify the volume systemwide. You could also pick certain parts of the sound spectrum and make them stick out by upping them.
pale quartz
Can anyone suggest me a wireless headset that is LOUD. I have the Logitech G Pro...
corsair virtuoso if youre wanting loud headphones
dolby atmos support is built in
quick locust
quick locust
Fat
storm osprey
mi gusta
prime jasper
turn up the volume
🤡
prime jasper
I got me "real" headphones, DT 770 Pro (80 Ohm), and use them in conjunction wi...
I have mmx300's with my Zen Dac V2. I want wireless.
storm osprey
ooo zen dac
umbral compass
Didn't know that Beyerdynamic also produces headsets. So no shiny Logitech trash. ^^ Maybe you already tried the APO/Peace equalizer? If not, give it a shot!
honest sandal
I have mmx300's with my Zen Dac V2. I want wireless.
I have Sennheiser hd6XX + modmic uni hooked up to a schiit fulla
Don’t miss wireless
prime jasper
I have Sennheiser hd6XX + modmic uni hooked up to a schiit fulla
I want wireless for gaming
molten flame
RTX 4080 will use AD103 chips, build with 16GB GDDR6X, have a similar TGP to GA102. RTX 4070 will use AD104 chips, build with 12GB GDDR6X, ~300W. Both of them haven't started testing yet, but soon do them.
honest sandal
I want wireless for gaming
Fair enough
storm osprey
I have Sennheiser hd6XX + modmic uni hooked up to a schiit fulla
similar to me, except i got a schiit stack
honest sandal
similar to me, except i got a schiit stack
Nice, I needed the mic input through the same device which I don’t think the stack provides
storm osprey
nah it doesnt, i use my 6xx for music though. audio technica ad700x for gaming
honest sandal
Makes sense
I do gaming, music, and work calls
Just use this setup for everything
Works well
I was surprised at the sound of the hd6XX super impressed
storm osprey
bang for buck headphone for a long time now for a reason, even if it is 200+
i wanna try the hd 560s though
honest sandal
Yeah I mean my previous range of headphones were like.. hd212pro hd280pro and the ath-m50x
So these are a huge step up
storm osprey
i cant imagine much better beyond that, ill stay ignorant so i dont drop money
honest sandal
yeah the hd6xx are 
jagged pecan
vital oriole
guys I installed the game but it freezes and I have to turn off the computer
i got system requirements but not working
its freezing opening screen
toxic wigeon
Hey I'm going to be looking at hard drives to boost my space obviously. What's a good drive?
I'm looking for a 2 Tera drive but obviously the type is what means something.
quick locust
I use N300 drives, haven't had issues
cyan musk
i wonder if the 4080 can just be underclocked to undo its absurd TDP
cyan musk
yep, it's pretty much something you should always do imo
which is actually why ive found a newfound justification for buying higher-tier cards, because you can usually undervolt/underclock them yet still have better or same performance as base models
quick locust
Don't undervolt, much rather underclock
Not that the power consumption matters much on a desktop if your psu and cooling can handle it
cyan musk
why not undervolt? that's where the main gains come from in terms of efficiency
quick locust
Nah, you can get good gains just underclocking due to exponential voltage curve
UV cause instability
cyan musk
if you do it wrong, yeah
but the factory voltage curve isnt the most perfect one for your unit, you have to find the perfect one for your unit
quick locust
Already seen an intel engineer rant about people doing it lol
Underclock already increase effiency and lower consumption
If that's what you aim for
cyan musk
arent you essentially implying that underclocking just automatically undervolts anyway
because it will go down the voltage curve and pick the supposed good voltage for that clock?
all undervolting is is essentially just lowering that 'supposed good voltage' to the lowest level it possibly can be while still being stable
undervolting basically lets you maintain the performance you want while reducing the heat consumption of the wasteful default voltage curve which wasnt specifically tailored for your individual unit
halcyon zodiac
quick locust
because it will go down the voltage curve and pick the supposed good voltage for...
Yes without creating instability
halcyon zodiac
so this where you guys went smh
cyan musk
that implies that the default voltage curve is perfect
halcyon zodiac
🤣
cyan musk
it isnt, though
quick locust
You can lower consumption without instability
You lose performance yes but that's the tradeoff
cyan musk
but your strategy also lowers performance
quick locust
Yes
cyan musk
but you can undervolt to reduce that problem
cyan musk
but i literally have done it
and its been fine
idk, seems kinda weird to say that undervolting cant work
each card has a varying competency at each voltage. the voltage curve it ships with wont know the max competency, because the voltage curve is meant to be a generalization
quick locust
It's much better to downclock if you want lower power consumption
Not that power consumption matters much on desktop, but its the best way
cyan musk
ok...well, agree to disagree i suppose
you're basically implying that cards are shipped with a perfect voltage curve, and deviating from it will cause instability. this isnt true
quick locust
Are you a verification engineer?
cyan musk
no?
but like i said, you're literally wrong
because you are supposing that the voltage curve is perfect
it isnt, it cant be. all it is is an overshoot so that all their units can perform without having to individually spend hours testing each gpu
are you really saying that you can never reduce the voltage by 5mv? it will cause instability? maybe for some units
quick locust
I've not said it's perfect, but that undervolting comes with risk of instability which you never want
Reason the voltage is higher is validation of units
Thoroughly tested
cyan musk
yep, which is why im saying that you can reduce it
the higher the voltage (as long as their cooling system can dissipate the heat), the more likely their set of units will pass their tests
quick locust
Just reduce clock, and you reduce power without instability
cyan musk
or reduce voltage, stress test, and you reduce power without instability and without performance loss
quick locust
You get less performance, but that's what you get if you want lower power consumption
Not linearly though
So just reducing clock a bit can have a lot of reduction
cyan musk
it's way easier to underclock, because it wont cause instability, but it isnt better than undervolting with the perfect voltage/frequency combo
if you, hypothetically, could find out the perfect voltage/frequency combo, it would almost certainly be an undervolt compared to the default
quick locust
It's already validated with a minimum instability curve
cyan musk
which is meant to apply to the entire model of video card, which means it cant be said to be perfect for your unit
oh well. ill just keep my undervolt on and enjoy never having to go to 100% fan usage
cyan musk
ya ok
prime jasper
Finally got my temps in check on my 3080. I changed the Thermal Pads, and the paste. Then I proceeded to undervolt. I locked my FPS to 144fps (3440 x 1440 100hz Montior). My temps went from 86c when gaming with fans at 90% to 68c at 40%. Glad I was able to tame this beast.
prime jasper
i got my 3080 to 1860mhz at 869mv
i just tried it. 1860 868mv
cyan musk
yeah i didnt go through and test it very thoroughly, but it doesnt seem to have any problems
had it for like a year now
prime jasper
Thanks for that! 59C now!!! running pubg 3440 x 1440 140fps on high.
cyan musk
prime jasper
Thanks to you, I can now drop fans to 30%
I will run 3dmark stability and see how it is.
cyan musk
also i use a second profile for when im not playing games so that it never tries to use higher voltages.
725 mv at like 1020mhz works, but in reality, you'd rather put the frequency as low as possible (but you cant really get that much lower than 1020 mhz, at least on evga precision, because once you go low enough, it just starts ignoring the curve for some reason)
725mv seems to be the minimum voltage
ideally id put it to like 725mv at 600mhz, and it'd run cool forever (probably), but doesnt really seem possible. but for very weak games, 1020mhz @725mv is quite efficient
prime jasper
I don't really play weak games....I mostly play PUBG/BF/ and some COD.
cyan musk
yeah, but it's still good to do for when you're just browsing, that way it never tries to use 800+ mv
prime jasper
Good point.
tranquil goblet
Hello everyone just tried to play Rush mode and my elitle controller does not work in rush mode "only" works 100% fine in the other game modes, i am on xbox series x, tried different profiles, i can move around with the spawn points but once i spawn its not doing a thing
^^^ ok hard reset x2 now its working plus reset controller ^^^ i have zero clue why i had to do this just to play Rush mode
prime jasper
i got my 3080 to 1860mhz at 869mv
I ran the 3dmark stress test 4 times. No issues. Played BF4/2042/PUBG for the last couple of hours. Max temp was 63c!!! Coming from 86c, that is a YUGE drop!
cyan musk
should be fine then, but if you want to make ~nearly~ 100% sure it's stable, gotta run it overnight at max speed
not that ive ever done that
prime jasper
I am sure it is stable. If I can do all that without crashes then it seems to be ok.
molten flame
Ryzen 7000 won't have any low-end CPUs, 8-core SKU could be the lowest we see at launch
pale quartz
but like i said, you're literally wrong
no actually hes 100% correct
the thing you miss here is that voltage is a target to the chained frequency, the scalar is never perfect and hes not implying as such, reducing the voltage does not reduce the target clock the GPU will hit, it is one direction, not the other - undervolting can and will cause instability with high power cards especially, they overcompensate their targets for a reason and its down to millisecond power phase transitions the GPU does periodically where power usage spikes by 30-40% and undervolting will cause instability with these, even if you dont perceive it
cyan musk
even if I don't perceive it, even if it never does anything? yeah...
cyan musk
the thing you miss here is that voltage is a __target__ to the chained frequency...
really all I need to say is that the voltage curve isn't perfect. it wasn't made for each individual gpu unit, it overcompensates so that more units can pass but still dissipate the heat.
by admitting that it overcompensates, you admit that it is possible to dial it back. not all units can get anything from this, but some can, because they overcompensated so that they could get many of their units to pass
also I'm pretty sure the whole power phase milliseconds thing you said is irrelevant. the gpu has its own ability to manage its power, that's likely why the frequency you choose isn't exactly what it aims for.
ultimately, undervolting works. no attempt to explain why it shouldn't will change this reality
cyan musk
"reducing the voltage does not reduce the target clock the GPU will hit"
who said it would? reducing the voltage is just reducing the voltage, the clock is a different dimension of the graph
also your logic basically implies that overclocking is impossible.
pale quartz
also your logic basically implies that overclocking is impossible.
.. no?
cyan musk
how? it deviates from the stock voltage curve in essentially the same way as undervolting
pale quartz
because overclocking is not relevant to undervolting lol
cyan musk
ok but neither is anything you said
if undervolting was 100% always unstable, it wouldnt be used by miners
pale quartz
uh.. yeah, it is.. because phase millisecond adjustments are very serious internal design choices deliberately chosen by electrical engineers when designing voltage being delivered to a graphics card..
cyan musk
so by that logic, it would basically crash constantly
pale quartz
if undervolting was 100% always unstable, it wouldnt be used by miners
what are you talking about
nobody says it was totally unstable
cyan musk
okay so what am i saying, in your mind?
because all im saying is that you can undervolt and gain efficiency out of it, and it doesnt have to be unstable
pale quartz
what I said, is that undervolting DOES cause instability, (does, does not mean will)
same goes for what tak was saying too
you took the entire wrong judgement
cyan musk
that...is a questionable....way of thinking about the word does
do is defined as perform (an action, the precise nature of which is often unspecified).
pale quartz
no it's really not, instability, is just that, a chance of something not being stable, not a graphics card melting itself to interoperability
you're comparing 2 entirely different ideas and taking them as equals
something being unstable doesn't mean it doesn't work
cyan musk
yes, but im saying that it could work for dozens of hours of high-tier stress testing
what is instability if it's able to do that?
pale quartz
high tier stress testing is not a good way for measuring the "stability" of undervolting
it is a useful indicator for overclocking
it is not for undervolting a card
cyan musk
so...you agree that people could reduce their voltage by 5mv and it likely wouldnt ever cause any instability
pale quartz
no, because you're asking me a question based on 50 different variables which influence voltage
I would never say that
cyan musk
so you do think that undervolting causes instability
pale quartz
..
please re-read what was said
this is not a zero sum game
stop assuming it is one
cyan musk
you said that it DOES cause instability
you seemingly dont know the definition of the word does though
so forgive me if i have no idea what you mean
pale quartz
no it's really not, instability, is just that, a chance of something not being s...
^
please read the word, chance
and understand what stability, actually means, in regards to probability
you are asking the entirely wrong sort of questions, and inferring wrong ideas in general
cyan musk
sooo i mean, do you think that i think literally everyone can undervolt?
cyan musk
you're the one generalizing. you know that undervolting can work perfectly well
pale quartz
..
cyan musk
but you're trying to argue that it shouldnt be done
pale quartz
are you going to allow me to explain?
cyan musk
ok
pale quartz
"stability" does not mean what you think, it means, when you are discussing stability in regards to voltage, electrical conduction is a highly sensitive topic in regards to what "being stable" actually means as there are tens of multiple factors which influence it in regards to PC hardware, for example the design of the card itself, each card will have different VRM designs from one another and different phase transistor designs for different objectives, what you need to ask when discussing topics like this is "what is the probable likelihood of something occurring, based on these multiple variables" (not just card design, the ambient temperature of the pc, the power supply, core bin quality, etc etc), in short, each user's configuration will be highly different from each other and it is impossible to boil it down to a general simplification with topics like these
molten flame
cyan musk
except i can boil it down to 'you can try to undervolt and are quite likely to find gains'
and that's true no matter how much you want to overcomplicate it
pale quartz
based on what?
cyan musk
based on the conservative voltage curve of at least the 3000 series
and real world testimonies of the products functioning without error for years
pale quartz
so you're basing an entire topic, on one generation of a card?
that's your entire problem
it's totally flawed to do that
Maxwell/pascal/Turing/ampere/rdna/RDNA2 all have wildly different power phase implementations from each other and this "it works on this generation so it works universally" motto is not only wrong, it totally ignores architecture design
it's equivalent to taking an Epyc processor with overclocking saying you get nothing and applying that to every processor that exists
which is why generalisations never work, because they're never true
cyan musk
ok well good thing i never said everyone can undervolt
pale quartz
you didn't say everyone can undervolt, you said everyone can try, which is wrong in itself
for the same reason as above
cyan musk
i mean, it's literally not wrong, everyone can try
unless their gpu doesnt have undervolting capabilities i guess
pale quartz
except i can boil it down to 'you can try to undervolt and are quite likely to f...
^
this, is wrong
cyan musk
maybe, but you dont have the proof necessary to dispute it
pale quartz
I just.. explained to you why it's wrong..
cyan musk
so you believe that there is a high chance that people's stock voltage curves are perfectly on the edge
pale quartz
what..?
cyan musk
that's the consequent
pale quartz
no.. it's.. you really haven't got the memo from this
cyan musk
when you say that "you can try to undervolt but it is quite unlikely to have benefit"
you are saying that it is "quite likely that it wont have benefit". and the only way this can happen is if the stock voltage curve is already on the line
cyan musk
so i wasnt wrong, it is quite likely to have a benefit
pale quartz
why are you assuming things again?
honest sandal
pale quartz
stop making such irrational judgements please, nobody is out to disprove you, or say you're wrong, this is a discussion, not a war
there is no need to try to prove yourself right by assuming everyone is out to get you
pale quartz
there is no claim
cyan musk
then what's the point of you
pale quartz
I am not against you stop thinking I am
cyan musk
ok so you do think that undervolting is a worthwhile thing to try and that, depending on your generation and model, it is at least likely enough to help that it justifies the attempt
pale quartz
I am trying to explain to you that you are asking the wrong types of questions
pale quartz
ok so you do think that undervolting is a worthwhile thing to try and that, depe...
..
no
I have no opinion on this
please, stop, assuming I do
cyan musk
then i dont care about discussing with someone with no opinion
pale quartz
the explanation is pretty pertinent
stop with the generalisations, technical topics unfortunately are not as simple as that, and they never have been
ask the right types of questions involving factors which matter to them
cyan musk
people should try to undervolt, it may work and will give benefits if it does
if only i ever said anything was definitive even once
pale quartz
bad thrax
honest sandal
people should try to undervolt, it may work and will give benefits if it does
It may also not work and not give benefits
cyan musk
cool, i already said that
storm osprey
hasnt lambs only talking point been saying you CAN try to undervolt?
cyan musk
i have constantly said that the stock voltage curve is conservative to make a good amount of* units run. some will, in fact, be unable to undervolt
molten flame
Longest argument in this server history?
pale quartz
there's been longer
honest sandal
Longest argument in this server history? <:leo:760110335687524423>
You must not talk to Deco much
pale quartz
far longer
storm osprey
Longest argument in this server history? <:leo:760110335687524423>
id bet i have that record
honest sandal
Deco can go on for weeks
cyan musk
that's a very bad sign
molten flame
pale quartz
Deco can go on for weeks
I may or may not have had 4 hour discussions with colleagues about tech, on work hours
honest sandal
You would
molten flame
honest sandal
I had a 2 hour discussion at work trying to convince everyone that Titanfall 2 is easily top 3 if not best FPS, and my senior director agreed with me
storm osprey
i dont talk to people at work
honest sandal
Shame
storm osprey
meh, i got my own room and dont need to talk to anyone
honest sandal
I actually work with some cool people worth talking to
pale quartz
I had a 2 hour discussion at work trying to convince everyone that Titanfall 2 i...
the best? eh I mean
honest sandal
the _best_? eh I mean
This isn’t up for debate or discussion with you
pale quartz
combat's pretty janky half the time, don't know if it's the best
honest sandal
pale quartz
ever tried executing a titan whilst phase dashing
see what happens
you get knocked backwards
honest sandal
pale quartz
how about double jumping not clipping to surfaces half the time
or gas canisters not exploding
honest sandal
Sounds like user error
pale quartz
bullets disappearing
surviving a grenade that detonated right under your feet
let the thrax rage ensue
honest sandal
¯_(ツ)_/¯
pale quartz
become too accustomed to that EA tag
freed from the chains
fully anticipating thrax to put neon lights on his pc when it's built
honest sandal
I May end up with another white / rgb build
pale quartz
honest sandal
Because I hate myself
pale quartz
hope you enjoy seeing your scratch marks on that
honest sandal
¯_(ツ)_/¯
buoyant sundial
do they have OLED monitors
storm osprey
who is they?
humble iris
"they" are not cheap
quick locust
Who? But yeah, OLED is $$$ with monitors
cyan musk
OLED has burn-in so idk if it's really all that good for use on a PC. but maybe there are ways to avoid it that arent just screensavers
quick locust
They've improved a lot in that area but still an issue
Mini LED doesn't have this but is expensive
cyan musk
if games and windows both had OLED consideration, it wouldnt really be a problem at all i think. but it'd probably require some changes to some UIs
quick locust
Not many users rn
humble iris
I'll stick to my IPS & TN panels.
quick locust
What about VA
cyan musk
yeah definitely not enough users to justify for games. but i think windows should get to it pretty soon
probably are third party applications and stuff that can avoid burn-in for you
prime jasper
Just picked up the Corsair Virtuoso SE for $117. What a awesome deal. Last pair in stock!
quick locust
toxic wigeon
That makes me think how big it'll become afterwards.
I like nvidias software but if the power consumption becomes too much then what's the point?
molten coral
Yeah, that is a thing I'm kinda worried about.
Like the cards can be really good but if it's using 500-600w then I think I'll stay with the older cards for a little bit longer.
molten flame
900W being tested for the top-end 4090Ti
eager sun
thought about getting cablemod cables for my 1000W psu since i prob wont need a new psu anytime soon nvm then xd
dry pike
We have an energy crisis on our hands, global warming etc. etc. and Nvidia want to turn every gamer computer into a power hungry space heater. They should stop the speeds race (agree on a max TDP) and make it an efficiency race instead.
dry pike
If what I've read is correct, a human on average creates 97-120w of heat. That means 900w would be like adding 8-9 people to permanently stand in whatever room you are gaming in. Kinda a crazy thought when you then add 2-4 extra people for the rest of the hardware.
storm osprey
Mini LED doesn't have this but is expensive
isnt mini led cheaper than oled? doesnt get infinite blacks but does get a lot brighter though. i saw one in person and its stupid bright, but there was a lot of banding in the model i saw
quick locust
Still expensive
storm osprey
yea, its like.. slightly cheaper for slightly worse picture quality, but they will supposedly last longer
prime jasper
You know life is good when you can just sell bitcoin and buy a 80k USD SUV and not even sweat it.
humble iris
Yeah even better if you mined it on your parents electric bill, causing the rates to go up for everyone else. Congrats!👌
prime jasper
Yeah even better if you mined it on your parents electric bill, causing the rate...
Ummm. I am a parent of two kids myself. Congrats😂 I also never mined😂Mining is dumb when you can just buy/sell crypto.
humble iris
Ummm. I am a parent of two kids myself. Congrats😂 I also never mined😂Mining is...
Good for you then glad to hear it.. It still has to be mined, which uses massive amounts of electricity, which in turn costs everyone. Crypto coin of any kind is trash in my opinion. I hope it becomes worthless. Again just my opinion which is also worthless.
prime jasper
Good for you then glad to hear it.. It still has to be mined, which uses massive...
Ah. Another person mad they didn't/couldn't jump on the train that left the station 💰Sorry you couldn't invest.
🤡
prime jasper
Let me laugh. Hold on..
It's a bad joke but nvm
I have seen mining plants in snow areas
humble iris
Ah. Another person mad they didn't/couldn't jump on the train that left the stat...
I dabbled in bit-coin like 5 years ago. Lost interest, I actually had some coins on my hard drive. Back when they weren't worth much was more into Folding. I actually had a folding farm in 2010 but that was for helping to cure cancer not buy an SUV.. Probably be worth something now. Oh Well, I invest in my own business that makes me money. And i'm not coming to a tech channel to gloat about my new SUV, but I have an SUV as well, and 2 trucks, and a 28ft double decker boat, a 2 story house, and all kinds of other shit I've bought over a 50 year period, all NOT paid for with Crypto-Coin. but actual US Dollars.
quick locust
prime jasper
I dabbled in bit-coin like 5 years ago. Lost interest, I actually had some coins...
That is awesome! I have 2 new trucks as well! A 35ft double decker boat, two 2 story houses (5500sq ft each with indoor pools and waterfalls) all bought over a 3 year period PAID for with Crypto-Coin, NOT US dollars, because I don't live in the US😂 I made sure to pay my taxes on my crypto to! Def paid more in taxes than people pay with their "jobs".
humble iris
That is awesome! I have 2 new trucks as well! A 35ft double decker boat, two 2 s...
keep up the good work
humble iris
https://twitter.com/MJHolthaus/status/1520058744008183808?t=0JSripcKBBGTYmqqgjjw...
What does that mean?
humble iris
lol
quick locust
What does that mean?
Their first disaggregated product, ie. not monolithic
Like ryzen desktop (non apu)
Ie. the cpu consists of multiple smaller dies or sections instead of one
