technology

[molten flame]

You could if old PC has PCIe card and not built-in Wi-Fi

[toxic wigeon]

Ye.

I've been using that PC and has a PCIE built into it so.

[molten flame]

Before summer

[atomic latch]

Looking forward to trying them out. Seems weird that AMD managed to solve a problem NVIDIA hasn't but maybe there's a downside we haven't seen yet

[molten flame]

I heard that the 'performance' mode of FSR 2.0 looks about on par or even a little bit better than the 'ultra quality' mode of FSR 1.0

[quick locust]

Yes, you can check md5 if you want to

It doesn't come on most motherboards, but pcie wifi cards are cheap.

[toxic wigeon]

Ye.

[quick locust]

Either by lshw command, hwinfo64, or just looking yourself

[fair urchin]

How can i send pics and videos?

[atomic latch]

Be a regular on this server

[fair urchin]

Oh how

[atomic latch]

Chatting consistently and over a long period of time.

[molten flame]

I love seeing a 75W GPU

[quick locust]

its 25W

[molten flame]

Spicy

[quick locust]

it's the DG1, low power dedicated one

DG2 will be much faster

[molten flame]

So basically a GT 1030 competitor

[quick locust]

kinda

its like Xe MAX in laptops

but on its own card

[molten flame]

DG2 has a 128 EU model with ~75W TDP

[quick locust]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/IZz2wlPJySOY_AuwrMxRjI3q5yN75yKQayM8YxpfrUA/https/pbs.twimg.com/media/FOoIQMaX0AoUW5r.jpg?width=1195&height=897

Yeah,thats the lowest Arc

[molten flame]

Honestly the best efficiency focused card in the whole market is the RTX A2000

[quick locust]

I'll get the top end dg2/arc for free

[molten flame]

But insanely expensive

[quick locust]

most enterprise cards are very efficient

[molten flame]

Radeon enterprise cards aren't a whole lot more efficient than gaming ones tbh

A2000 is best efficiency GPU this gen tho, RTX 3050 performance at 70W

Low profile too

[quick locust]

yes

[molten flame]

Be a perfect GPU for a SFF PC

[humble iris]

Hey guys, what exactly is "Hot Spot" temp sensor on a 2080?

Temps are as follows.

Memory = 66° c 
Hot Spot = 73.9° c```

[quick locust]

The hottest temperature sensor of the die

[humble iris]

Thanks, I don't like that temp. seems a bit high to me. But I guess well under max.

[quick locust]

Your temp is just fine

Limit is 110 ish

[humble iris]

I'm a cold freak

lol..

Sometimes my PC won't start cause it's too cold.

[quick locust]

Unusual unless you're in a subzero freezing environment

[humble iris]

lol it gets pretty cold in hear

its been as cold as 0° F

I didn't know they say you should not operate a computer under 35°F weird, It's probably the board that gives code and I restart and it's fine.

[pale quartz]

very bad idea

VRAM depends on high temperatures to operate efficiently, purposely decreasing your GPU temperature can lead to internal memory corruption in the card

[humble iris]

Yea I thought is was something to do with being too cold.

Its only in the winter and its done it maybe 3 times that I can remember, I figure its the temp because its only on those really cold days when its around 0°F outside, I keep this room isolated from the central heat. I now open the vent slightly to keep at least 50° in here.

after 2 people gaming for a few hours it gets up to 81°F+

The heat in the winter makes it so dry in here static becomes an issue and I have to run a humidifier. Plus my guitars don't like it really dry.

[molten flame]

Humidity can ruin a guitar too

[humble iris]

yeah too much will

I like about 30-40 %

[molten flame]

Cold humidity will fuck one up quick

I have 3 guitars and 2 of them are warped lmao

[humble iris]

30 is really ideal for me

They shouldn't warp, the truss rod adjustment should fix it. One of mine is a 1991 Fender Talon V

[molten flame]

Truss rod in my Jackson King V doesn't even do anything

[humble iris]

What tuning are you using like a C or B?

[molten flame]

Standard but sometimes Eb

[humble iris]

The rod must be stripped or the not

it can be replaced

[molten flame]

I can put another neck on it

[humble iris]

Man I had an RR3 I hate myself for letting it go

USA RR3

[molten flame]

I used to make Frankenstein guitars a lot, put a epiphone les paul neck on a stratocaster and it actually fit

[humble iris]

yeah I've done a little bit of that, I need to find an RG body I hacked my Ibanez Premium 870z all to shit to put on a pick guard, it's still fine and the wood damage is behind the pick guard. was going for a JEM/770DX look and feel, put in D'Activators

[humble iris]

Found a pic of my old RR3, funny it just happens to have a Battlefield 3 poster behind it. https://www.pcegaming.com/images_blog/Jackson-RR3-BF3.jpg

[molten flame]

I'm ditching Floyd Rose bridges, they're a maintenance nightmare tbh

I want a Kahler bridge but they're $400 new

[humble iris]

Yeah Kahler has been around. I've not had any trouble with any of my bridges. but my Floyd is the Floyd Rose Pro from 1991, my others have been Ibanez Edge Zero, Edge Zero II. I find the Edge Zero on my 2550Z Prestige is so stable I get silly crazy and keep tune perfect.

[molten flame]

Floyd Rose on my JS34Q is branded by Jackson and its made of cheap metal, the saddles for the strings need replaced because the strings are a harder metal lol

Strings pop out so easily

[humble iris]

Ohh yeah that's a jackson made floyd licensed product.

[molten flame]

Jackson has gone down hill since Fender acquired them in 2002, that change even made Dave Mustaine leave Jackson guitars

[humble iris]

You are right, I've been seeing some really mad people saying 1200.00 jackson is equivalent to like an indo $400 Ibanez

I have my custom setup with ESP I just need to buy it, but I want an Axe-FX III MK II first.

[molten flame]

Best Jackson I ever played is the Adrian Smith signature San Dimas, has the exact body and neck of a stratocaster but with more playability in the frets

Only good thing from Jackson/Fender merge

[humble iris]

Yeah I bet thats real fender quality. I like that guitar. It's like a strat but with super strat hardware.

[molten flame]

Yeah I saw that guitar at a local music shop for under $500 but it wasn't a USA model

[humble iris]

Here's the custom ESP I configured, not sure about the color, I wanted the EMG 81/60 but thought the 57/66 might be good, it's easy plug & play pickups I think. https://www.espguitars.com/products/20598-m-ii-fr-dlx/product_designs/49738

solderless connectors

Not sure I like the inlays either, but it's a nice change for me

Ohh the Phil Collen Jacksons I bet are nice too.

[molten flame]

Definitely

There are some Jacksons around the $200-300 range that are very good value for people trying to move off from a beginner guitar

My first guitar was $100 Gibson Maestro from Best Buy lmao

Action of the strings was like half an inch off the fretboard

[humble iris]

You know what though having one like that and still wanting to play means you have integrity.

[molten flame]

Yeah even at that time I knew that it was a poor quality guitar, it made a lot of annoying hum through the amp and had a muddy tone

[humble iris]

I remember all those years with the worst garbage guitars I thought I sucked, I would plow through learning songs and scales, by the time I got a real guitar it was so easy to play, I was suddenly feeling like a guitarist. I got my first real guitar in like 1989 was Washburn KC-70v, then shortly after I got this Fender Talon V (Which is basically an Ibanez, long story with Fender)

Here's a picture of my current guitars, minus the RR3, notice the red Fender looks exactly almost like the Ibanez guitars. https://www.pcegaming.com/images_blog/studio-guitars-jan-2013.jpg

That white 2550z has 1mm action, it's amazing

it's been totally customized by someone I bought it from, they put EMG 81/60 setup from the original Dimarzio IBZ/S/IBZ

[molten flame]

Does the single coil pickups between the humbuckers on those Ibanez guitars make a lot of hum? Seems like most HSH configs make too much noise if not grounded properly and using metal shielding

[humble iris]

Honestly I never use middle pickups, I put a flat cover on mine and sink them

but I can check real quick

[molten flame]

I'm thinking about removing the singles from mine and just having open cavities

Be like a beat up EVH guitar

[humble iris]

yep and Skid Row

I actually want an EVH franken Strat

yep there is a hum from single coil when playing

[molten flame]

EVH just uses bridge pickups

Never switches over to neck or mid

All his guitars generally have very little hardware

[humble iris]

I was testing that hum, then had trouble putting in down, Guitar is so addicting.

Yeah, the bridge humbucker is my favorite pickup, but I love to solo on the neck pickup. EVH changed his sound dramatically over the years. I love every tone he ever created. It's weird he was not reallly a shredder but pioneered it. I like his regular playing more then anything, my favorite VH song is Poundcake. My favorite soloist guitarist is George Lynch, which is basically a morphed EVH/Jimmy Hendrix/Jeff Beck. Eddie was the man though.

[molten flame]

Eddie played 8 hours a day and really didn't follow music theory that often, resulting in a very distinctive sound

[humble iris]

You got me watching 5150 concert 1989, posted on facebook today by Sammy Hagar..

This guitar https://www.evhgear.com/gear/series/guitars/striped/evh-striped-series-5150/5107902515

All Eddie's and Lynch's guitars are 22 Fret, I always think I need 24 for some reason

[molten flame]

I like that kind of setup, just a bridge pickup with a volume knob

If you want different sounds just use a foot pedal or a mixer

[humble iris]

I can solo on a bridge, but that neck pup really changes everything for me

Also depending on the pickup, I bet that EVH bridge sounds good both ways

[molten flame]

I use 24 frets because lots of solos in metal requires it

[humble iris]

yeah I can get those 2 last notes with bends and a bar, but yeah I prefer 24

not speed though

[molten flame]

I want a 90s Dave Mustaine Jackon KV2 that has the extra frets on the neck pickup

[humble iris]

oh that reminds me Ibanez made a 30 something fret

[molten flame]

Yeah my fingers too big for the small frets

[humble iris]

kind of goofy looking. https://theguitaroutlet.com/product/ibanez-rg550xh-30-fret-red-sparkle-electric/

[molten flame]

Yeah those frets are so tiny

Would be hard to play anything fast

[humble iris]

Yeah pointless really

Speaking of Bridges, I guess John Petrucci designed his owned trem

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i9-12900ks-5-5-ghz-alder-lake-cpu-now-available-on-newegg-for-799-usd

12900KS is $800

Halo product as I expected

[molten flame]

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/333084-signs-of-the-apocalypse-nvidia-considers-using-intels-foundry-service

Nvidia wants to use Intel fabs

How the turns have tabled

[humble iris]

Wow crazy times.

[molten flame]

RTX 3090 Ti will literally be a test run for the upcoming RTX 4080/4090. The PCB, coolers and power delivery used for the last Ampere GPU will be compatible with AD102, the chip powering the RTX 4080/4090.

[pale quartz]

it wasn't exactly a secret

Nvidia have TSMC and Samsung for their nodes, the former charges them top rates for the privilege of it and the second is unreliable for mass efficient process nodes

they needed a third to act as a form of redundancy to make up for high batch failures on Samsung

[molten flame]

Yeah which is why only GA100 uses TSMC

Nvidia wanted entire Ampere lineup on TSMC 7nm but they didn't like the how much TSMC was charging for it

Nvidia also tries to aim for the highest profit margin possible which is why they went with cheap Samsung 8nm

[sharp plinth]

What did he change to?

[molten flame]

ESP, then left them for Dean a few years later but now he's on a contract with Gibson

His Gibson signature guitars are excellent, especially the Kramer ones

A lot of people don't know that Gibson bought out Kramer

He made a Gibson Flying V that looks very similar to his older Jackson and ESP V shape guitars

Small and lightweight, unlike typical Gibson V's

[sharp plinth]

i dont really like his new exp gibson. never liked round v if you know what i mean.

whats your fav guitar?

[molten flame]

Hard to choose but I would have to pick 3 different ones as my go-to favorites

Les Paul, Jackson Kelly, Jackson San Dimas

But I also want to include Ibanez Destroyer in that list

[prime jasper]

Technology.

[jagged pecan]

hi

[prime jasper]

Good Combo🎧

Gaming only...

[humble iris]

what is that?

[prime jasper]

Ifi Zen Dav V2, and Monoprice Monolith M570 Headphones

[humble iris]

Oh a headphone amp

[humble iris]

Pretty kool card. I still don't understand why most people think these are useless. Clearly you understand the value of an audio engine.

I'm due for an upgrade, My interface/DAC is pretty old, but still far superior to onboard. Saffire Pro 14.

For gaming a good ole' SBZ

Also to be fair, not everyone can hear the same.

[sharp plinth]

A red destroyer?

[quick locust]

I could use a decent headphone soonish

Current one is breaking at hinges, wish it was more durable

[quick locust]

The no desk setup

[toxic wigeon]

That's the worst part.

[quick locust]

Uh no

Besides I already have earbuds for when I'm on the go

I always prefer over ear

Eh

My TX1 earbuds are ok but not near my headphones

Mine are 3.5mm

I know

I had 2.4 GHz headset before but had issues with it

Man this cellular suck

I meant 3.5mm connector instead of wireless

My G933 kept having loose connection on power slider

Meaning it'd distort a lot

Denied RMA because I had "excessive use within warranty period"

Current headset has cracks at hinges but that's expected after a while

Still works but I'll need replacement eventually

Considering a few in 50-100 usd range

Some at 150

[toxic wigeon]

To be honest. I'm already looking at buying wireless headphones for my next purchase.

[toxic wigeon]

I'll always prefer wired because I don't have to charge it all the time from excessive use.

That's what keeps me on Wired. But if a thing has a long life then I reckon it's worth the investment.

You get those rechargeable batteries that die because they just stop charging.

[quick locust]

I have arctis pro just wired

[quick locust]

Decent but hinges have been the weak spot

[delicate kindle]

when your cpu goes haywire when playing 2042

I always have 100 cpu usage

I've done all the things

[midnight crypt]

probably normal

[molten flame]

I wish Intel launched a 12th gen CPU with 2 extra P-cores in place of the 8 E-cores, 12950K with 10 P-cores would be cool

Those 2 extra P-cores would be able to help in gaming, kinda like how the 10900K had a decent lead over the 9900K

[pale quartz]

2 extra p cores in place of the 8 e-cores
basically impossible

for one stacking 2 extra p cores is going to bump up the power draw significantly, to the point where the whole point of ADL becomes irrelevant for it to exist, two the thread director which intel built would be useless on their biggest SKU, and three, it would promote developers not to optimise for hybrid core designs

all 3 which are bad for intel, and bad for end consumers

[pale quartz]

most wireless headphones allow simultaneous dual charging whilst it's being used, at least most modern ones do anyways

actually you're right, but wrong at the same time, the 3.5mm jack isn't just a size, it's also an interface which is used to interact with X port, both are valid descriptions for classifying headphones (2.4G and 3.5mm)

[pale quartz]

..?

[coarse nimbus]

Grab your popcorns guys, the one humblebragging with tech pics, is fighting with the insufferable smug self entitled worst nightmare

[molten flame]

Why doesn't Intel work on an architecture that's competitive with Zen in per-core power usage. 12th gen uses E-cores as marketing for great efficiency, while ironically drawing more power than any previous generation ever. 12900K has fairly competitive MT performance to the 5950X but draws close to 100 watts more

[pale quartz]

it's not easy just to change an entire microarchitecture

what you're asking intel to do is something that takes roughly 4-5 years of planning, at minimum, to execute when being built from scratch

[molten flame]

I think Royal cores will be something entirely new tbh

[pale quartz]

there's a lot of stuff involved with building a microarchitecture which is why chips use core iterations, there has been no reason in the industry for intel to change the MCA, that'll change with royal core, but it's not something they can do overnight

Zen itself was in design and development as a project for 4~ years from conception to raw product, just happened to be the do or die thing left that AMD had (literally), after their failed experiments with entering other markets

also, the ecores themselves are not new generation cores, they are skylake cores, so they will of course naturally be less efficient in per core draw, but their total draw is still a hell of a lot less than any one prime core will consume

intel was always great with power draw in regards to on the scale clock/W, and that never changed, it was just when they decided to hit the bazooka button on overclocking frequencies to eek out more performance

[pale quartz]

your comment isn't needed here, to me or him, take it elsewhere

[coarse nimbus]

Lol, who are you again?

[pale quartz]

does it matter? if you dont contribute anything to the discussion and just act snarky from the sidelines you degrade everyone down with you

[coarse nimbus]

Allow me to wheel in the worlds largest mirror.

[pale quartz]

cool story anyways

[pale quartz]

yes and no

royal core is being built from scratch as a new MCA, but it won't be anything say, revolutionary, it's just being built to fix core series deficiencies with power efficiency basically

the MCA will drop support for instruction sets used in now to older intel chips, so it'll be their call it next step forward for chip design

lot of old legacy and arcane sets intel engineers need to account for when building a chip like ADL and RKL, they'll sort out their garden internally with royal core in that manner

royal core is just a testiment to how legendary Jim Keller is in the industry tldr, guy built Zen, and hes the brain child behind Intel's next future MCA

[marsh gull]

yeah theres no difference between wireless and wired

[marsh gull]

i just have everything wiredon my setup since its cheaper and i can easily know which peripheral is plugged into what

[molten flame]

Meteor-Lake core configuration is 8+32 apparently

Bet you that with Raptor-Lake the E-cores are gonna be a lot closer to the P-cores in performance

[pale quartz]

compared to ADL they are yes, but that's down to how out of date ADL ecores are in generational terms rather than efficiency cores themselves

had a similar type discussion before

common guidance towards ecores today are misinformed

[molten flame]

Yeah heard that RPL E-cores could be comparable to RKL in IPC, while the P-cores are just about a 10% gain over ADL

[pale quartz]

GC by itself is quite powerful so there's no real I suppose need for intel to improve them significantly, thing holding back ADL was the unequal weight between the ecores and prime cores in just how far apart they are from each other

can't do that type of config for multi chip architectures, will only become a more severe problem in future MCM CPU chip designs once actual prime cores come about

[molten flame]

Just need a robust interconnect to account for the physical distance tbh

[pale quartz]

IC doesn't solve the problem

it's a execution rate problem rather than a distance problem

that is one is so significantly faster than another that you physically need to slow down the total execution rate of the more powerful one to avoid deadlock race conditions occurring between the cores

[molten flame]

[pale quartz]

welcome to MCM lol

in a nutshell

[molten flame]

Jim Keller will figure something out

Still want to see what AMD was gonna do with liquid nanotubes in 3D designs

[pale quartz]

Zen was built for MCM so it's not anywhere near as problematic of an issue for AMD compared to Intel with race locks, mostly down to core scheduling aka CPPC accounting for CCDs rather than cores, just one of the myriad of reasons why CPU designs are so complicated to build

[pale quartz]

the tldr of this is they will, eventually anyways integrate cooling directly into the CPU die

[molten flame]

MCM was planned for original Zen in like 2014/2015, and when they finally used that design in Zen 2, it wasn't that great, mainly to do with CCX/CCD communication and cache handling

[pale quartz]

splitting of the CCXs with each other

[molten flame]

Zen 3 is a massive improvement in MCM communication/latency

[pale quartz]

Zen 2 was, by design supposed to be a monster, if it had a unified CCX it would have dominated Intel's next roughly 2 generations of chips

we didnt see that till Zen 3 so it was so late by then, but it was the end goal for CPPC

[molten flame]

Zen 2 with 3D cache would of been a dumpster fire in latencies

[pale quartz]

nope, infact Zen 2 was supposed to have 3d cache

[molten flame]

Yeah ik but Zen 2 cache design wouldn't have worked that well with V-cache, not near as much as it does on Zen 3

[pale quartz]

3d stacking prototypes on Zen 2 existed internally, issue wasn't latency, interCCX communication between the cache and the die is negligible, it was power draw

[toxic wigeon]

Would AMD plan on staying with Am5 for some time?

[molten flame]

Zen 2 cores have higher heat density than Zen 3, makes sense

[pale quartz]

TSVs weren't equipped with handling the thermal load Zen 2 CCXs gave off

the tldr of it

[pale quartz]

yes, not as long as AM4

[toxic wigeon]

2 gens at least?

[pale quartz]

AMDs support for AM4 was a mistake on their part and not intended for this long

[toxic wigeon]

Am4 was an anomaly.

A good one.

[pale quartz]

3~ generations for AM5 most likely

[molten flame]

AM4 may still see more products after the 5800X3D but it will just be more Zen 3 stuff, nothing special

[toxic wigeon]

Oh wait how long was am4 a thing? I thought it was just 3 gens, right?

[pale quartz]

counting them all, it's 5 generations of chip support in total

[toxic wigeon]

Jesus christ.

Yeah ok I thought Am4 started when the 1000 series came out.

[pale quartz]

Zen/Zen+/Zen 2/Zen 3/Zen 3D/Zen 3+(laptops)

long line of chip support on one platform, very abnormal, they won't do it again

caused them massive issues

[toxic wigeon]

They would have been stretched too far on what they can do.

[molten flame]

Zen 3+ sadly never gonna be on AM4 (please I wanna see 6nm CCDs with V-cache)

[toxic wigeon]

Am5 would be the first time they can go nuts and create something new.

[pale quartz]

meh the socket itself isn't that important in all aspects

in terms of CPU design anyways, was a problem for ryzen as AM4's pin layouts weren't, originally when AM4 was built designed to support ryzens continuing scaling power increase over time

ryzen 1000 they didn't really have much of a choice but to support it though, now that they control 1/4-1/3 of the CPU market they dont have a need to do that anymore

[pale quartz]

on desktop? one can dream

[molten flame]

I think the AM4 AGESA or BIOS ROM is already begging for mercy on 300/400 series boards with the CPU support

5800X3D retaking the crown, as far as gaming is concerned

Intel won't release anything between now and Raptor-Lake, they just now launched the 12900KS

Zen 4 is gonna smoke Raptor-Lake

[humble iris]

Dude, WTF this is crazy, lol..

[toxic wigeon]

Shame too cause I kinda don't want intel to play the catching up game.

Have intel have the leg up and then AMD pushes it even further.

[humble iris]

If I end up getting an Axe-FX III MKII, I won't need an interface as it has a pretty robust interface built in. I didn't realize it's capabilities pretty awesome.

USB though, but that's pretty much standard these days. Rather have direct PCIe, or RJ45.

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-is-just-5-to-10-faster-than-rtx-3090

3090Ti is 5-10% faster than 3090 at 4K, difference gets smaller at lower resolutions

[lunar dawn]

that tdp though ... 450 watts

[molten flame]

3090Ti is a testbed for the next gen RTX 4090

[molten flame]

Damn

Radeon 680M iGPU found in Ryzen 9 6900H laptop faster than desktop GTX 970 in GTA 5

[quick locust]

Nice

https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/intels-core-i9-12900ks-may-finally-launch-on-april-5

[prime jasper]

Gtx 1660ti is a great gpu

[pale quartz]

more the 3090ti exists so the 6900xt doesn't stay top of the charts for rasterisation, Nvidia don't paper launch products for testing future generation products

6950xt will be out soon anyways

[molten flame]

Heard 3090Ti shares similar PCB and uses the new 16-pin connector and cooling solutions that 4080/4090 will have

[molten flame]

6950XT uses XTXH dies and memory chips that are ~10% faster, shouldn't be a double digit performance gain overall tho

I hope RDNA3 moves to next-gen memory like G6+ @20-24 Gbps

[pale quartz]

over the 6900xt? not so simple

depends on the bin specifically that is being measured

they will have wildly different raw boost clock patterns

[molten flame]

If they used 6nm it would of easily yielded close to 15% more performance from the node improvement alone lol

[pale quartz]

it wouldnt have

[molten flame]

Would clock quite a bit higher

[pale quartz]

nodes are increases in power efficiency not raster performance

they are not the same thing

and the clocks wouldnt have been significantly higher either, clock speeds arent RDNA linked to power draw

RDNA2's clock is limited by the IF, not the power draw, RDNA is an incredibly efficient architecture and it has massive headroom for pushing power if need be, there just isnt a need to

[molten flame]

Going from 14nm to 12nm with the RX 580 to 590 was a 10-15% performance gain while using the same memory chips too

[pale quartz]

RDNA1 doesnt have an infinity fabric

times are different now and the "old school way" of how people think GPU power works no longer apply, it hasnt since RDNA2 launched even

[molten flame]

Supposedly RX 6850M is 7% faster than 6800M while using like up to 15% less power

That's probably enough to win over Nvidia in laptop GPU efficiency

[pale quartz]

they already do

infact its not even close at all

nvidia GPUs on laptop SKUs are utter trash for power efficiency compared to the 6800m, you mean raw performance

[molten flame]

I saw video on RX 6800M drawing more power than 3080 Mobile while performing like 5% slower on average

[pale quartz]

AMD smartshift

im meaning idle load rather than gaming performance

[molten flame]

Holy hell, RX 6800M laptops are way cheaper than 3080 Mobile ones lmao

$500-1000 difference

[pale quartz]

yeah theres a reason ampere laptops get total trounced in battery life and cost, and its because the laptop SKUs are just cutdown desktop dies, so theres no reduction in cost to implement them

the 6800m is a customised PCB for laptops, its not cutdown from any desktop SKU

[molten flame]

Navi 22 Mobile is decently smaller than Nvidia GA103

[pale quartz]

wasnt much reason for nvidia to customise their dies for laptops, since well they already controlled the high end laptop GPU market

so "efficiency" and "battery life" didnt matter, who else was there? intel? good luck with that

[molten flame]

DG2 laptops will probably be good

I wonder how much DDR5 prices will affect Ryzen 6000 laptops

[solar moon]

Anyone able to double check me on if this build is compatible? https://newegg.io/eaac67a

[quick locust]

Yes - though I'd get a Z690 board instead with a K cpu.

And the asus prime b660 isn't that good

[molten flame]

Lots of poor quality budget Intel 12th gen motherboards, MSI has the best options by far

[quick locust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEkDVlv1FFg

[humble iris]

Whatever the issue was with EA Desktop not allowing to launch owned games without Game Pass has been fixed.

[quick locust]

It's still a beta, so probably quite a few issues still

[humble iris]

it only did it for 2 days, basically all weekend

[quick locust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PoWAsBOsFs&ab_channel=ExplainingComputers

[prime jasper]

Asrock cooker

[quick locust]

Both their B660 boards have been horrible

[molten flame]

Seems like those won't even be able to handle a 12400 under load

[quick locust]

I think they did 12400 test too

Let me check

No

Just 12600K

Without asrock

[prime jasper]

Is good to see the mortar doing so well

Msi kills it with their mortar and tomahawk series

[quick locust]

Yeah

Their B660 and Z690 boards have been good so far

[prime jasper]

I remember a decent board from asrock

Their steel legend

Pretty ok

[quick locust]

Yeah, they just missed in this round

[prime jasper]

Their taichi ones are also good

They just cheap out on their cheaper boards

120 c on a 12700?

Yea no thanks

Im not boiling my cpu today

I can excuse the high thermal if the board didnt throttle and performed great

But, it did

And it still lost

[quick locust]

Z690 boards do pretty good

[quick locust]

Rather vrm than the cpu

[prime jasper]

I see Tomahawk up there!!

Lolol

[molten flame]

Gigabyte

[quick locust]

At least they're much better than asrock in b660

[molten flame]

How do ASCock and Gigashit make mid-range boards this ass

[quick locust]

And asus

[molten flame]

Just the Asus Prime lineup, even on previous generations and also on AMD

They should say these boards aren't meant for Intel unlocked CPUs tbh

Even tho they still choke a locked 12900 and 12700 lmao

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-zen4-epyc-genoa-features-1mb-of-l2-cache-per-core

Up to 96MB of L2 cache in total

Over 1GB of L3

[lunar gulch]

If you're going intel this year get an MSI board.

[molten flame]

3090Ti performance is basically like a 3090 Kingpin or HoF

[humble iris]

I wouldn't use a B class chipset on a K sku CPU anyway. In fact I don't think I've ever purchased or used a Q, B or H board, Always Z or X

But they should be manufactured to perform as intended though.

[humble iris]

Who did these tests, that's crazy those high temps and lower scores.

[quick locust]

Hardware unboxed

[pale quartz]

standard procedure, the higher a board temperature is, the more the board will do to thermal throttle itself (aka cut the voltage 90% of the time)

[humble iris]

Yeah I figured it was was throttling, but crazy how much different in CPU temps from 1 board to another. I'm curious what is causing that. Power delivery? VRM?

Cheap boards suck.

Maybe default BIOS settings, has the voltages set to high.

[pale quartz]

inefficient VRM designs are 99% the cause of these situations

they'll include the "minimum" of what you need to power the processor to make sure it doesn't go up in flames, but won't put cooling on the VRMs themselves 90% of the time

that or very inadequate levels of cooling, put it that way

[humble iris]

Sounds about right. The cheap boards pair with the lower tier CPUs much better. I wonder if they perform differently with i3, Pentium & Celeron CPUs?

This data should also be noted when some people claim insanely different temps with certain coolers, the board is the culprit not necessarily the cooler.

[pale quartz]

they have lower power draws so there wont nearly the same level of heat generation from them, if at all

VRM temps dont scale linearly, rather exponentially with processors

[humble iris]

I thought those graphs were CPU temps.

But yeah still inadvertently causing heat to other components as well.

[molten flame]

Ryzen 7000 series enters mass production soon, likely in late April

[pale quartz]

backside (underside of the PCB) temperatures

[errant folio]

Can anyone help me out with this error code 1 stuff? I haven’t been able to join any online matches whatsoever cuz of it

[humble iris]

Id imagine also having cheap crappy PCB as well.

I've seen some motherboards that look like a taco from the old Intel LGA_775 push pin coolers. Just really thin and weak, I always preferred the metal cooler backside bracket. I like the idea of these new boards with a back plate.

[quasi tartan]

Does anyone know where I should go for tech support?

[humble iris]

Tech support for what?

[quasi tartan]

technical support for battlefield 1, there's an error I'm running into when trying to play multiplayer

I don't know where to go for help with that

[humble iris]

What's the error?

[quasi tartan]

"You have lost connection to the EA servers"

[humble iris]

How is your internet?

[quasi tartan]

My internet is good, I've even reset the router in an attempt to fix it

I'm fairly sure it's something other than my internet

[humble iris]

What are playing on, PC, Xbox?

Are you using VPN?

[molten flame]

A550M clocked so low

[quick locust]

Yeah

Lowest bin of the die

[quick locust]

https://buy.hpe.com/us/en/options/enterprise-memory/persistent-memory/persistent-memory/intel-optane-persistent-memory-for-hpe/intel-optane-512gb-persistent-memory-100-series-for-hpe/p/835810-B21

[quick locust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q25yaUE4XH8

[digital tundra]

[quick locust]

?

[quick locust]

https://twitter.com/IntelGraphics/status/1509195270562762757?s=20&t=20qSqWJGV18Qtq47NR6zkw

Intel Graphics (@IntelGraphics)

Get ready to game with this first look at our limited-edition #IntelArc A-Series graphics card for desktop.

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[lunar gulch]

Meh, just give me a 4090 already. This 3090 is almost 2 years old.

[molten flame]

I would never buy a 600W GPU, wouldn't even use it if I got it for free

[molten coral]

600W? damn

[molten flame]

Winter is gone and I don't want my entire home getting hotter than a greenhouse

[molten coral]

The electricity bill would scare me

[digital hill]

Nvidia be like "for more watts you get 10% more performance"

[molten flame]

RTX 4090 is gonna draw more power and be slower than the RX 7900XT

[quick locust]

source?

[molten flame]

Navi 31 TBP is less than 600W lol

Nvidia not even doubling core counts for next-gen while AMD are tripling cores

MCM wins the game

Intel 2nd gen Arc is gonna be MCM, quadrupling the cores of the DG2-512

Nvidia ain't going MCM any time soon

[humble iris]

Watching a GPU animate itself into existence makes me want to buy it. Always like intel enticing videos.

[quick locust]

Yeah

[humble iris]

Ah man, JB Weld or epoxy could fix it

[quick locust]

I don't have licence to buy epoxy

But I'll think of something

[humble iris]

you have to have a license to buy JB Weld?

there is even epoxy putty products

[quick locust]

They contain epoxy so require licence

Which isn't hard to get but I don't have the course required

[humble iris]

you must be in a different country, we can buy it at any convenience or dept store

like walmart

[lunar gulch]

not only does the 3090ti come with a hideous octopus power dongle it comes with a leash to. https://www.evga.com/articles/01554/eleash/

[molten flame]

Here's a tip Nvidia: Quit raising the bar for power draw and maybe we wouldn't need GPUs with heavy heatsinks that can bend PCIe slots

Next gen GPUs might have to come with a support beam

[pale quartz]

it's true

the 7900XT will TDP at 450W, will be a bloodbath

[lunar gulch]

reminds me of the 1080TI situation. Except this time AMD/ATI actually has a card for competition and not marketing hype. haha

either way 70-80% gains in 1 generation

[molten flame]

1080Ti was still a good buy when RTX 2000 came out

2080Ti wasn't a very big performance leap compared to previous gens and was priced much higher than 1080Ti

RTX 3000 series turned out to be faster than most people expected

Same with RX 6000

[cobalt terrace]

spending $3,000 on a computer thats only meant to game is kinda ridiculous

just buy an xbox or playstation

[humble iris]

Yes it is.

[molten flame]

Some people were spending more than $3K a year ago on a GPU alone

[humble iris]

I can never understand why spending that much money for no real gain

[paper garden]

do we have homework thread here

[dark cypress]

I might have to get the 6600 XT

[humble iris]

what do you have now?

[marsh gull]

yeah but its fun ngl

[midnight crypt]

some people spend that much on a game daily

so not bad tbh

[marsh gull]

i mean its a status symbol rly

its also like why some apple ppl spend 3000 dollars on a horrible value product

[prime jasper]

How about you get some technology to add bf2042 player stats 💀

[pale quartz]

that's because the 2080ti was artificially gimped by Nvidia, on purpose for power limits so the 2080ti wouldn't encroach too much on rtx 30 territory for performance

the card itself was actually by design way ahead of the 1080ti, it just never showed in benchmarks (because of the prior reason)

1080ti only exists purely because Nvidia had believed the rumours that AMD had successfully managed to double performance with a card that never existed and were forced their hand, hence why they vastly underestimated RDNA2 performance after ampere came out

[prime jasper]

I have a gtx 1660ti triple fan
Do you recommend it?

[pale quartz]

recommend for what?

[prime jasper]

Gaming

[quick locust]

Hm, time for new headphones soon

[pale quartz]

I don't understand the question, if you mean do I recommend it for people to buy to play games it's a no, half pascal Turing 16 series only ever existed for Nvidia to squeeze money out of people's wallets and were always a bad card for people to buy

if anyone's wanting a card the 20 and 30 series/6000 series trump any 16 series card in performance, cost, featureset, blah blah

[prime jasper]

So my card is a scam?
I got it for 200$

[pale quartz]

it's not a scam, a scam is a fraudulent item, it's just not what you should have bought that's all

[prime jasper]

Hmm yeah I should wait for 4000 series

[pale quartz]

well no lol the 4000 series won't be cheap whatsoever don't be expecting cost efficiency with lovelace

if you're wanting a card buy one now whilst the market is half saturated with supply at the minute

[prime jasper]

Ikr lol

[weak girder]

not everyone has the money for a 3000 series card

these cards are fine for people on a budget

[pale quartz]

not every 3000 series card is a 3070 lol

a 3050 is a very cost effective card and infinitely better than any 16 series card for purchase in 2022, it's not even close

sacrificing half your featureset isn't worth $100 or even $200 and it doesn't matter how "cheap" the card is, it is never a good purchase

[weak girder]

true

I forgot that card existed

[marsh gull]

the 3090ti is already a foretaste of what future prices are to be like

[marsh gull]

well thats a steal since you got it for 100usd under msrp

[pale quartz]

basically yeah

[marsh gull]

the cheapest 3000 series gpu there is is already 250usd, so imagine the "cheapest" 4000 series gpu

[dark cypress]

They’ll also probably make lower end gpus so I wouldn’t worry

[marsh gull]

i wouldnt count on that

the real gpus that make them profit are the high-end ones

[fallen harbor]

anybody knows what the plug that goes here is called?

[lofty light]

RJ11

Oh wait

That's 6 pins?

Wack

[molten flame]

https://www.techpowerup.com/293482/intel-arc-dg2-512-built-on-tsmc-6nm-has-more-transistors-than-ga104-and-navi-22 @quick locust

Arc A770 should do 4K ray-tracing fine with XeSS or FSR2 tbh

[quick locust]

nice

that's the one i get for free iirc

[molten flame]

Top SKU perhaps?

[quick locust]

Yeah, don't know exact one yet

[molten flame]

Heard it's gonna have less than $499 msrp

The 3070 competitor anyway

16GB vram on a $450 GPU would be pretty nuts

[quick locust]

yeah

[molten flame]

RTX 4060 should be on AD104 die with 256-bit bus and either 8-16GB memory

4070 is on AD103 supposedly

Won't be a big difference between 4060 and 4070 in performance like there is with current gen

4060 should be faster than 3090Ti in ray-tracing and probably 3080 level in raster

[storm osprey]

https://twitter.com/endgamegear/status/1509546077971791881?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

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Retweets

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Twitter · Mar 31, 2022, 3:00 PM

[proud trellis]

who

[proud trellis]

i was hoping to go for a 4070

[storm osprey]

a real mans mouse

[pale quartz]

USB PoE aka power over Ethernet

[fallen harbor]

ty love

[humble iris]

Not really, as it's light weight which is con for me. I prefer a really heavy mouse so my movements are restricted due to my super strong hands.

I really wish someone would come out with a concrete or solid steel mouse.

[storm osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-gross-ewww-disgusting-gif-14383467

[humble iris]

the clicking is to sensitive as well, I wish for a really hard to click mouse.

I understand most PC users need sensitive and light weight.

a good 1 pound mouse might be good

I thought about sanding the pads to make it more resistant to movement. like scuff it up

I'm sure I'm like the 1% or less people who feel this way, cause there is not a single thing on google pertaining to it.

[storm osprey]

youre a mad man

[humble iris]

lol, after reading I think most gamers prefer a heavy mouse for more controlled movement. But also some complain that a few grams of weight causes fatigue, Thats hilarious

[storm osprey]

if you want controlled movements get a control pad and feet that grip better

[humble iris]

yeah that would be good

[humble iris]

Does anyone here use Steinberg Cubase?

[humble iris]

If you do you might want to check your account, I just got another free upgrade from 11 to 12, I also got the free 10 to 11, I've been upgrading since 4. They've been pretty good about freebies this last couple years or so.

[marsh gull]

your perfect mouse is the opposite of every mans dream mouse lmao

[quick locust]

https://twitter.com/Radeon/status/1509673301081309192?t=XHM4A63V5aZc0_CD61371w&s=19

Radeon RX (@Radeon)

Radeon 6500M #FTW

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272

Twitter · Mar 31, 2022, 11:25 PM

[molten flame]

[prime jasper]

Oof

[dry pike]

GG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNFsirIal44

[quick locust]

Is it lightweight enough for Nyphon

[molten flame]

[quick locust]

https://youtu.be/NSP8R4zNRsU

[humble iris]

I thought that until I found out most gamers prefer a heavy mouse for more controlled movements. Either way I'm issues with my left clicking finger, I ran a diamond blade into my index knuckle today, I saw my knuckle inside as the skin was peeled back. I almost went to the hospital, but I got to stop bleeding.

Today I'm preferring the sensitive click, LOL !

[marsh gull]

lol

yeah when i try light mouses theyre so weird to control ngl

[humble iris]

to me it feels like walking on ice with slick shoes, you stop but keep going.

[long echo]

Hi

Here I am again

A am very bad at technology in general

I have my old pc and we want to hook it up to just play sims 4 and chill games

It's for my dad and my sisters

(I have a gaming pc for bf and such)

But I need to know what parts are missing here

And yes I know it dusty AF

It has a 1050 GPU

[humble iris]

looks like maybe a storage hdd or ssd for os

[long echo]

Ye I thought so too

I know I need the SSD as we transferred that to my new pc

But what else?

[midnight crypt]

well did you transfer anything else?

[long echo]

Eh.. idk

I didn't do it myself

Me: no idea how things work
Also me: taking apart the pc to clear dust

[midnight crypt]

well i cant see anything but storage missing

[long echo]

Okay well that is an easy fix

Thank you! I'll let it know here if I get ir fixed 🙈

[long echo]

It old af

[prime jasper]

Buy a new gpu

[long echo]

I have a 3070TI

Wdym

[prime jasper]

Ohh so what is that?

It's a gtx 1050ti lol

[prime jasper]

This one

[long echo]

My old pc that I'm getting to work for my sister xD

[prime jasper]

Ohh then good

[long echo]

Ye that the old 1050

[prime jasper]

Lol nvm sorry

[long echo]

Works fine for sims and such

[prime jasper]

Yeah overclocking then 30 fps elden ring

[long echo]

😂

[prime jasper]

It will burn the gpu nvm

[long echo]

That pc will just go up in flames if you try to run Elden ring on it

[prime jasper]

Nah it has alot of ram plus air coling

[long echo]

Gpu will die

[prime jasper]

Yeah

It will burn

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-rtx-3090-ti-pcbs-are-designed-to-support-next-gen-rtx-40-ada-ad102-gpus

[solar moon]

Anyone have suggestions for getting my Series S to connect to my wifi.

Keep getting DHCP connection errors and cannot obtain an ip address errors. No other device on my wifi is having this problem.

Have already hard reset my router/xbox several times with no benefit.

[solar moon]

I got it nvm~

[quartz mulch]

What was the fix for the WiFi issue?

[solar moon]

I factory reset my router.

[quartz mulch]

Thank you for the reply🙏

[solar moon]

My pleasure, there should be a small hole somewhere on the router (Generally on the back) that you can push a button through with a pin.

[quartz mulch]

Oh yeah, to reset it. I thought maybe it was a MAC address port that needed to be open.

[solar moon]

No idea, this is the second time I've had issue with my Xbox in particular and my router.

Hard reset seems to do the trick

[pale quartz]

just for clarity, I will explain what is going on

and just to note hard resetting the router won't fix the issue and it will happen again, the tldr of this "issue" is that devices connected via WiFi have a maximum DHCP assigned IP address lease time with the router (assigned by the router itself, normally around a week), now, the normal procedure is for the router to refresh this lease once it expires however this does not always happen if the device remains connected to the network as it is identified as the same address, a way to get around this is forcing the router to restart itself during an off peak time (aka at night) say once a week to dump it's internal lease cache and release established connections, this will limit it happening again by quite a lot

[pale quartz]

other than what's already mentioned with a storage drive missing you will need to get mounting screws for the SSD to actually install it in the case, the 2.5" bay in it doesn't have any left, and from what it seems like the RAM sticks are in the wrong configuration (I'd need to know the actual motherboard) so swap those, but other than that it seems fine

[solar moon]

Been using the wifi with this console consistently for around 8 months. Issue has happened twice now in total

I'm perfectly fine just hard resetting it if it's only bothering me once every few months

[pale quartz]

it won't, and it's more of a lifespan problem too

[solar moon]

Screwing around with router stuff gives me an aneurysm lol

[pale quartz]

you don't need to do anything, call up your ISP and ask them to schedule a reboot, they will have control from their end

well (shouldn't), if the ISP is half competent

[solar moon]

Our internet is in my room mates name so I gotta get him to call when there's issues.

Should hard resetting the router not act like a reboot?

[pale quartz]

theoretically yes, however there's more at stake with these 2 specifically

routers themselves manage WiFi channels automatically according to congestion (aka polling) with other nearby devices to know which channel to default to for the most stable connection, by hard resetting the router you will erase the internal memory that this utility and others like it depend on

this can and probably will cause more problems down the line so it's not something you should use a solution

[solar moon]

So esentially over time it'll slow down speeds?

[pale quartz]

your speeds (can) be affected, that's a tricky thing to answer for definite (much like most things concerning WiFi), what's more likely is say random disconnects from the internet entirely due to the frequent switching of channels

these utilities learn themselves over time, until well, you hard reset the router

[solar moon]

Interesting, thanks for all the info Deco

[pale quartz]

np

[novel saffron]

I have a pc build question.

[pale quartz]

?

[novel saffron]

Good morning @pale quartz My current setup is 2080ti, z390, 16gb 3200 ram, and 9900k (stock). All I want to upgrade is my GPU (with HDMI 2.1) to 3080ti for 4k gaming on my OLED tv. Should I pull the trigger? Or should I also upgrade my cpu too?

This is also for playing this game

[pale quartz]

4k gaming? what games?

I assume this is the LG C1

[novel saffron]

LG CX... mostly online shooter games like Hell Let Loose, Apex, Ready or Not, Battlefield series, and sometimes siege. I think 120 is just fine.

or is that all CPU intensive?

at 4k or 1440p

[pale quartz]

ok so the tldr of this is, basically if you're wanting decent 4k performance on those games then the CPU will need to be upgraded aswell

battlefield especially as it's very CPU intensive

[novel saffron]

that's what I thought. ugh!!!! lol.

[pale quartz]

if you're wanting advice CPUs are relatively affordable nowadays, a 12700k will do you fine

will be a pretty significant upgrade actually

alternatively the 5800x3d is right around the corner so pick what you prefer

[novel saffron]

I've always been team blue since late 90's.

also what are your thoughts on this pre-build https://www.microcenter.com/product/645171/G470_Gaming_PC;_Intel_Core_i9_12th_Gen_12900KF_37GHz_Processor;_NVIDIA_GeForce_RTX_3080_Ti_12GB_GDDR6X;_32GB_DDR4-3600_RAM;_1TB_Solid_State_Drive;_Mic?fbclid=IwAR1Uboim2uGAAzZ4Jmkhw_JgRd4owBcCxUMLDNwSKwY5D5blNAf2SyTUXS4

[pale quartz]

you'll probably be surprised how far AMD have come since then if so

12900k? yeah don't get it

power hog of a processor not something you can use optimally

[novel saffron]

ok.... or just 5800x non x3d is fine also?

[pale quartz]

yeah the 5800x non 3D is great aswell

[novel saffron]

alright... well, I guess I'll go to Micro Center today.

And see what they got

[pale quartz]

motherboard wise any b550/x570 will work natively with the 5800x if you're building it manually, wouldn't be surprised if there's prebuilts as there's quite a lot of stock around for it

prior generation motherboards aka x470/b450 can work with it too, just ensure to ask that the BIOS has been upgraded to support ryzen 5000

[novel saffron]

Thank you! I appreciate your help. 🙂

[pale quartz]

np

[molten flame]

12900KS is only 2% faster than the 12900K in 720p gaming

[novel saffron]

Alright I made up my mind on cost. I'm keeping my build and just upgrade the GPU (3080ti) for now. I will later on upgrade CPU, Mobo etc. later.

[molten flame]

@novel saffron RTX 4080 is just around the corner, you sure you wanna shell out over $1200 on a generation that's almost 2 years old now

[stuck tangle]

i wonder how RTX 4080 will look

[molten flame]

Insane up to 15x more L2 cache than 3090Ti, >50% more cores than 3090Ti, huge ray-tracing improvements, very high power draw

4090/4090Ti should have 92MB L2 cache while current 3090Ti only has 6MB

Also RTX 4000 series should reach similar, if not better clockspeeds to RX 6000, looking at least 2.5 GHz for stock 4080 and 4090, current gen goes up to around 2.2 GHz overclocked if you have very good cooling

No idea on VRAM capacity but for memory bandwidth but we could more likely see 24 Gbps G6X/G6+ or less likely 32 Gbps G7

Heard that the AD102 chip supports GDDR7

But I don't think that new standard has even reached risk production yet

[lunar gulch]

It's not like anyone is going to be able to get a 4000 series card until this time next year anyway. Let them get the 3080s

[fallen harbor]

i realized my smart tv hasnt been having quality options higher than 720 for any video on youtube lately. Its always 720p max, even on 4k videos. I tried casting from my phone to the tv but its still locked at 720p (it's a 55" oled lg tv). I remember very well watching videos at at least 1080p before on youtube. Ive been googling a lot and i only saw people complain but no solution

but just now i found an article saying youtube limited its quality options for tvs since the pandemic???

thats very wack

[novel saffron]

so installed a new gpu but im stuck on bios screen

what do I do? it's been a while. lol

[pale quartz]

you cannot replace the GPU without uninstalling the old driver first, insert the old GPU and use a tool called DDU to remove the old driver

[pale quartz]

a way to cheat past this is to force the resolution on the device first before casting, it'll mirror it onto the tv

[fallen harbor]

ooooooh

[pale quartz]

yeah no lol it'll be G6X, Ada supports GDDR7 with the IMC as the refresh cards will have them, the main launch will not

[novel saffron]

ah ok. I will put back my old gpu and Uninstall the old driver

[pale quartz]

once you've uninstalled the old driver you can insert the new card and you'll boot into windows fine, little catch new cards have

[novel saffron]

gotcha many thanks

[pale quartz]

just make sure to get the driver again (obviously)

[molten flame]

GDDR7 probably ready by 2H 2023

[pale quartz]

GDDR7 doesn't exist and won't be ready till micron says it is ready, Nvidia won't equip the refresh cards with GDDR7 unless explicitly required, it's simply for contingency reasons

the default cards do not have GDDR7

[molten flame]

Samsung introduced GDDR7 in November but just shared some specs of it

[pale quartz]

yeah I can assure you LL doesn't have gddr7 so this nonsense rumour can disappear before it starts

neither will the clocks approach 2.5Ghz, 2.3 is the base target

[novel saffron]

still stuck on bios menu. I give up

I'm going to bed

[quick locust]

Fixed some weird windows 11 issues

[stable ledge]

How to set hidden UI in battle. Deployment displays UI shortcuts. It is best to set the mouse button. The effect of hiding UI video programs is very good.

[midnight crypt]

what

[lapis lintel]

cant wait for RTX 4080

[prime jasper]

September

[stuck tangle]

you people have good graphics card and waiting for 4080???

bruh

i have intel Hd 4600

[marsh gull]

cant wait to lose a kidney

[marsh gull]

higher number = better

ofc

[prime jasper]

Apparently there is a new console on the market that does not work and have you play outside more because of it

[molten bramble]

?

[sinful mantle]

was gonna fly for a new machine for BF2042 but since that puppy failed my expectations I feel free to wait until the new hardware drops and either get something spanking new or at least buy early 2022 present tech at a better price

[proud trellis]

as soon as 4000 series comes out im sniping a 4070

idc

[molten bramble]

This isn’t really the place for this, but spectator mode hasn’t yet been introduced. #battlefield-legacy-titles and #screenshots-and-clips might net better results in regards to workarounds.

When is the 4K series expected?

Thought that was months away?

[proud trellis]

it hasnt even been fully announced yet i dont think

but i dont think its that far away tbh

[molten flame]

September for announcement

[molten bramble]

I went to MicroCenter the other day, stopped by the gfx cards… my 3080 still has a $1,300 asking price versus what I bought it for. Wild.

[molten flame]

Be lucky to hear RTX 4000 announcement around Computex time

[sinful mantle]

well thats gonna price drop radically when the 4000 series drops

man i just cant stand the notion of paying over a grand for a GPU

[molten flame]

Not really, another shortage will happen when next-gen launches because hordes of people upgrading

All current cards will stay expensive

[sinful mantle]

fuck me...sigh

[molten flame]

5nm process is very tight in allocation

[molten bramble]

Doubtful—affects of component shortage expected to last into late-2023/early-2024 at minimum. And with how ‘starved’ people will be for them, it’s probably a new normal for a good while.

[molten flame]

Apple, AMD, Nvidia all occupying 5nm wafers at the same time

[molten bramble]

Yeah, that’s what I figured.

[sinful mantle]

so we're talking minimum 5k machines now

some builds are in the 8k region if you want all the candy

[molten bramble]

Might be, unless something miraculous happens.

Saw these while I was in there as well. Was very surprised to see previous Quadros just chilling there and priced this way.

[sinful mantle]

well I made some cash shorting the cryptos so I suppose I can afford something in the lower price range

[fallow salmon]

anyone know how to fix discord streaming? im trying to stream to a friend and its showing a blacked out window

[molten bramble]

Not really, but if you are trying to stream a service, some will black out.

[molten flame]

Wtf RTX 4000 and 5000 already exist?

[molten bramble]

Development cards, nuanced differences to gaming cards.

[molten flame]

You can still game very fine on a Quadro

RTX A2000 is basically RTX 3050 performance in gaming at only 70 watts

The only enterprise cards that can't run games are the top SKUs like Nvidia A100

3D engine is lasered off to make room for either more compute cores, ML cores, memory interface, cache, ect.

[prime jasper]

This is the reason I bought an xbox series S

[molten bramble]

You can, just not what they’re designed for—hence, “nuanced”.

[novel saffron]

OK. so don't laugh at me. But...

I found out the problem on why my pc was booting to BIOS.

I didn't plug in my Sata power cord to my both SSD's. 🤣

so i cleaned out my old drive and installed a new one.

its working now and it's (GPU) quiet as heck! holy crap.

[humble iris]

Having 32GB of ram instead of 16GB, and using 23GB while backing up a drive. = Priceless!
For everything else, there's Graphics Card.

[humble iris]

Intel Mobile GPUs getting ragged on.

fresh release, needs to mature a bit.

[humble iris]

Wow do I feel dumb. I forgot I had a Virtual Machine running with 16GB memory. lol.. oh well still using though.

[quick locust]

it's also only the lowest end that has released.

[humble iris]

yeah that's what I said to. people just comparing to a discrete GPU is just dumb.

I don't expect Intel to stomp a 3080Ti, but I'm hoping close.

when you need a support cable for your GPU, and your own power grid, it's time to take a step back and rethink things.

Trying to go green lol...

[quick locust]

lol

[quick locust]

Most likely not with this gen, but seems decent to start with anyway.

Also the first ones here are dedicated but they're low power laptop gpus

[humble iris]

Yeah, I think if they stick with it, they will be great. I mean I've only been waiting like 15 years for intel to release Larrabee.

[quick locust]

😛

There's a few of them in a server I'm in

But they lack firmware and/or drivers

since theyre prototypes

[humble iris]

yeah I've seen a couple on youtube that's about it.

[quick locust]

Don't think anything slows the increase of power consumption over time though

[humble iris]

we were at 2kw power supplies 10-12 years ago, then down to 750w, now we are going into 2kw again

[quick locust]

😛

Even gtx 480 was just 250W

Just bad coolers

[humble iris]

well the SLI thing caused the need for 1600 watt and above, but damn feels like all they did was put 3 GPUs into 1

still charging 3 times

[quick locust]

Bigger and bigger die with more transistors

[humble iris]

How can we sell 3 GPUs, but only one chip?

3090Ti

[quick locust]

lol

it finally beat the HD 7990

which had 375W

[humble iris]

lol yep. I remember the jokes about needing enough power to supply a small a village

[quick locust]

the only nvidia card without blowers

i think

since even 3090 had some

yeah there's a lot of jokes, though 500W isnt much in a house to support

[humble iris]

I think it's just dangerous to draw that much power in a pc

[quick locust]

No, not at all

[humble iris]

I mean like damaging, not life threatening

[quick locust]

Only to weak psus

[humble iris]

just a lot of heat

[quick locust]

I'd just trip overcurrent protection of weak psus

it'd*

no real damage

heat not either

your pc won't go over 100C

[humble iris]

there is a limit how much current can be drawn from a receptacle.

will need a dedicated 20 amp

[quick locust]

if youre american maybe

[humble iris]

yep

[quick locust]

with their 110V

[humble iris]

yep, I already have mine from back in the day. dedicated 20 amp, still have my 1600 watt PSU. I put it in for the 3-way SLI

[quick locust]

ours can take around 3100W i think

[humble iris]

3600 I belive

but it also depends on the wire gauge

[quick locust]

yeah ours is 13A

so 2990W

[humble iris]

we have both, but here a 220v (240v) is actually just 2 combined 110v (120v)

[quick locust]

yeah

[humble iris]

basically just a dual leg source,

[quick locust]

If you want more power

jk

[humble iris]

So I set mine up with 20amp, 12/2WG, 20amp x 120v = 2400 watts

[quick locust]

nice

[humble iris]

wth is that?

[quick locust]

but yeah 500W not an issue

[quick locust]

400V socket

[humble iris]

dang.

[quick locust]

i mean my microwave is 800W

and my water cooker is like 1500W

my electric radiator is 2000W

[humble iris]

well 500 is not an issue, but most people will have entire PC which is what 1000 watts, plus monitors, and tv's and other things daisy chained through the house end up being 5000 watts and we have house fires here all the time because people do not adhere to codes. I try to make people aware.

I think you can have 7 outlets on 1 15 amp circuit

which is why I stress "20 amp Dedicated Circuit" and the 12 Gauage wire

From Google
How many Watts can a 20-Amp breaker handle? A 20-amp breaker can support up to 2,400 watts on a single circuit. The safe maximum for a 20-amp circuit is 1,920 watts, but circuits should not be loaded to more than 80 percent of their maximum capacity.

[quick locust]

yeah, so many use too many extension cords with too much stuff

[humble iris]

I can imagine 2 people with these PCs sharing a room

internal house wiring

or even 2 different rooms on the same circuit

https://nasdonline.org/1249/d001053/reduce-fires-with-electrical-safety.html#:~:text=Overloaded electrical outlets%2C or circuits,and can ignite a fire.

this is a USA Issue.

[quick locust]

Yeah

[humble iris]

Our power supplies used to come with a 240v/120v selector switch.

my bad no I'm wrong, it was 110v/115v

oh no maybe I'm right, heck it was a long time ago.

[quick locust]

Yeah, better not switch it wrong lol

[humble iris]

kind of freaky stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88Ygl96T6cE

this guy is doing it

[prime jasper]

So guys

Do you recommend samsung gaming fridge rtx 5090ti troll cooled cpu engine with 5tb of ram?

[quick locust]

Yes but only the monster or red bull themed one

[pale quartz]

the one "upper hand" intel have for arc for laptops specifically is encoding AV1, which is a very big deal for transcoding/creators, but that's about it

[quick locust]

Yeah, I just meant they shouldn't just pick first one as a conclusion to the rest of the gen, when it's a very low power laptop gpu

The lowest SKU

[supple bane]

copper is so low resistance it takes an absurd amount of current to cause it to heat up

ive seen people say that their pcie power cables heat up after use, and im going to say the power running through the cables is not the reason for that.

[pale quartz]

good chance it is actually, though not on the cable itself but the 8 pin slot where the pins reside can get very toasty

[humble iris]

I know when current goes through copper wire it does heat up. It's normal as well. But if it gets above spec it can ruin the insulation and cause arcing, which leads to fire, it can also get hot and melt

sometimes depending on the situation could take days, months, or even years of the overcurrent to finally cause a fire when you least expect it, that's what makes it even more dangerous. people are like oh it's fine, but it only seems fine at the moment.

grab the vacuum cleaner cord after vacuuming a room, and see how warm the cord gets, or a hair dryer. those are high wattage items not meant to run 24/7

[molten flame]

Gaming PC builds are about to start consuming as much power as vacuums/hair dryers

RTX 4000 series might get outlawed in California

[humble iris]

Cali is always very strict on things. Sometimes to much. But with having an energy Crysis we should be making more eco friendly products.

[humble iris]

Anyone else using both Origin, and EA Desktop

[supple bane]

I guess if there are minescule gaps between the pins, the resistance would be considerably higher, therefore more heat?

[prime jasper]

More like air conditioner

[molten flame]

https://twitter.com/UnrealEngine/status/1511360142176047109

Unreal Engine 5 available globally to all developers today

[pale quartz]

no it wont, the law only applies to idle power, it doesnt apply to DIY parts

[pale quartz]

precisely

[tropic field]

I have no experience with unreal engine but I need to get my hands on this

[molten flame]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-confirms-its-gpu-drivers-are-overclocking-cpus-without-asking

Ryzen Master functionality in Adrenaline drivers, that's just bloatware tbh

[digital tundra]

Ey

a520 support 1500x?

[molten flame]

Not natively, there might be a BIOS version that enables 1st gen Ryzen support

[digital tundra]

Where

[molten flame]

@digital tundra some people have gotten Ryzen 1000 CPUs to work with A520/B550 boards but its hard to do and maybe unstable

[digital tundra]

Shit

I'll have to spend more 200R$ to buy a b450

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/evga-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-kingpin-hybrid-revealed-dual-16-pin-power-connectors-and-an-oled-screen

Wtf two 16-pin connectors

[sinful mantle]

Unreal 5 is such a cool and intuitive engine...I've been watching tutorials...I would like to make a short film maybe w/corresponding game...5% royalty kicks in after 1st million bucks profit

[digital hill]

Man I will avoid as its just so expensive and its just going to make electricity more that's it not worth it

[humble iris]

Yeah I have took a stab at it a couple times, and every time I open it up I get so overwhelmed with everything.

Tried unity as well

I worked on some 3D characters for vr chat game

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intels-tom-petersen-teases-desktop-arc-prototype-card-with-three-8-pin-power-connectors

[quick locust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPPeSNV9Hog&ab_channel=GamersNexus

[molten flame]

Even if 12100 is faster on average, having 6c/12t is better in the long run

[dry pike]

Benchmarks typically don't have Youtube, Discord, 4 gaming clients, Onedrives, Slack clients, Geforce Experience, Netflix, Spotify etc. etc. running. Those extra cores quickly get milage on a real system.

[atomic jackal]

low fps at bf1 with 3060 ti and r5600x?

i barely get 60-100

fps

[molten flame]

100% this

4 cores/8 threads is becoming redundant

[dry pike]

Not really enough information to comment on that. Seems low for 1080p, probably quite normal in 4k. Could also depend widely on memory config, field of view, temperatures etc.

[atomic jackal]

1080p

[atomic jackal]

xmp, low temperature

70 fov

[dry pike]

Well, you have 2 or 4 sticks of memory and they run 3200mhz+ then that seems low. Unless you run crazy resolution scaling maybe.

[atomic jackal]

yeah

3600mhz 16gb

barely at 60-80 at all times

when it should be like 150

[dry pike]

You could try renaming the "Documents\Battlefield 1" folder to reset some cache, settings files etc. - then you can at least rule out that.

[atomic jackal]

really takes the fun out of the game

i get outplayed since most people run at 100+fps

[molten flame]

Fps doesn't translate to skill really, I used to kick ass at 20-30 fps

Currently on 60Hz

https://twitter.com/Underfox3/status/1511697371020902401

Time for a little patent trolling

Might have been licensed too

[sinful mantle]

on one tutorial the guy said it took him 1.5 years to intuitively get it but was playing around with it after a couple weeks...also you can seamlessly incorporate "blender" with it on the fly

[sinful mantle]

oh Contraire...if you can't see it you can't hit it:

https://youtu.be/x-kwlaKKhp4

shit used to be a level playing field when everyone got 60 Frames and had the same basic 60-70 Mbps connections...Now there are people with symmetrical 1-Gbps speeds vs 10-Mbps upload speeds....and players with 144+ frames verses players that barely manage 60 frames

[prime jasper]

ok guys for how much years the series s will last

[digital hill]

Apple be like "we're doing a repair program with all parts provided." Samsung is like "we're also doing a repair program with ifixit but we won't be providing battery repair".

[sinful mantle]

what? Battlefield?...it's been going strong for 20 years this year...one or two stinkers aint gonna kill it

[dry pike]

Guessing Series S is the console 😉

[sinful mantle]

man i haven't wrapped my knuckles around a controller since PS1

[wet notch]

i'd buy a ps5 if it was actually available at all in my country

since release its basically impossible

[molten flame]

Waiting for PS5 Slim

[sinful mantle]

if those puppies ever get universal KB/M support im all in...tired of paying high bucks to game

[molten flame]

PS5 still doesn't have native 1440p support smh

Played PS5 on a high-end 1440p monitor and it was so blurry

Then again, PS5 was only designed for TVs

It's been 16 months and there still isn't many new games on PS5 and Xbox Series, previous generation had so much more to offer

[sinful mantle]

another reason to stay with the PC master race

[midnight crypt]

there are new games on those consoles

just not many new exclusives

[molten flame]

Spoiled by PS3/Xbox 360 era of exclusives

[wintry terrace]

Hello,
I found a rig that has an i5 12400F along with an RTX 3070 8gb OC,
is the CPU worth having ?

[molten flame]

Yes

[wintry terrace]

Alright thanks

[humble iris]

Hey I tried preaching this years ago when 120hz came out. I had 2 FHD 60hz professional displays ready for Nvidia 3D Stereoscopic surround display. I just need 1 more, only to find out you had to have 120HZ for it to work correctly. When I switched to 144hz and still had a 60hz display hooked up, I was amazed how the 60hz basically trailed the 144hz. I thought I would make a video, and quickly realized you cannot make a video in real time comparing 60hz to 120hz at the time because no camera I had would record above 60fps. Si yeah this is totally true, Also adding in monitor Sync/ActiveSync, etc.. and low latency. you defiantly have an advantage. But also bad ping & jitter will get a better KD for some reason. soo.. who knows..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1qR8fdIXsY

[sinful mantle]

High ping....if you keep moving it's hard for game to track you is why you can get the drop on stationary players

[humble iris]

yep I noticed that as well, just keep running jumping and weaving

[sinful mantle]

duckin around corners and back

[humble iris]

Yeah I do that peaky boo real fast a lot

R6S too really bad.

[sinful mantle]

really informative video you dropped

[humble iris]

Thanks.

[sinful mantle]

the mouse curser demonstration hit the reality mark

hahaha...the one bottle neck of 240 Hz gaming is you...the player

[humble iris]

Also mouse polling rate. I was testing around between 1000hz and 2000hz and was playing way worse at 1000hz

The reason I noticed, Is I set it to 1000hz to save battery life, and realized I was not making shots. I then realized it was the polling rate.

I also use my mouse wired most of the time

[sinful mantle]

I guess with fast bus speed the latency is almost imperceptible

between wired and wireless...but mine is wired

[humble iris]

Mine is 3 Wired/Wireless/Bluetooth

has a 3 way selector switch

[sinful mantle]

fantastic didnt even know that existed

[humble iris]

It's a Corsair Dark Core Pro

it even has wings, lol..

[sinful mantle]

hahahwtf?

[humble iris]

https://www.corsair.com/medias/sys_master/images/images/hbe/hce/9445124997150/-CH-9315411-NA-Gallery-DARK-CORE-RGB-PRO-03.png

[sinful mantle]

i dropped a couple nice mice in cats water bowl and use my backup generic

[humble iris]

Hey I agree, sometime the simple stuff works best

[sinful mantle]

beautiful piece of tech there

[sinful mantle]

all lasers are the same anyway

long as i have five buttons im good

[humble iris]

Sometime I feel like my old mice from years ago worked better then these new ones, but then again the tech I was using it on was inferior

[sinful mantle]

this is true

man I moved up from a 10Mbps upload speed to 20 Mbps and I can feel the difference

bullets are connecting finally

[humble iris]

nice, yeah we have an issue here with monopoly ISP, I have Gigabit, but only 35Mb/s upload

[sinful mantle]

same im on 500/50 but get around 300/20

but.....fiber is being strung in my neighborhood right now!

i talked to the line guys stringing it...I said.."fiber?" dude said yep

[humble iris]

yeah that's the issue here, I get like 940/35, monopoly ISP has control over easement, so no fiber coming here

[sinful mantle]

that totally sucks man

[humble iris]

COX communications are COX

[sinful mantle]

right right i think they have the worse rep of all ISPs

maybe you'll be able to get 5G wireless

[humble iris]

I have that but it's still slower

[sinful mantle]

damn

[humble iris]

my connection is good, it just costs $165.00 a month

[sinful mantle]

yeah mine was almost that bad when I had mediacom...switched to WOW it's cheaper but they throttle

i have to bitch them out every few months when they try and slip a script on my modem

makes my connection spike off and on..is how I know when they are doing it...plus my speed goes down to less than 100 down and as little as 5Mbps up

[humble iris]

yeah COX shapes traffic I know for sure, I can download on origin up to a Gigabit, and on steam I constantly switch download servers, and slow it down to 30/40 MB/s when I first switch for a day or 2 I can get like 60/70 MB/s

[sinful mantle]

fuckin crooks

well eventually copper will die to fiber...then they can go out and earn a living

[humble iris]

Yeah it really pisses me off, its strait up thieving

[sinful mantle]

it is yeah like buying a dozen eggs and only getting two in the carton

[humble iris]

Yep, and those eggs are 8 weeks old

[sinful mantle]

but legally as long as they stay just above the next lower tier they are good...again legally speaking

[humble iris]

lol, we have our own chickens we get about 4 fresh eggs a day

[sinful mantle]

now that is a consolation

[humble iris]

I'm having to deal with field rats now though

[sinful mantle]

i have one living in my house

had a few but my female cat dispatches them pronto

[humble iris]

I have cats to deal with that, but rats are nasty

[humble iris]

nice

[sinful mantle]

yeah..i made a deal with the one thats left...i feed him a meal every evening and he stays put

used to have issues with racoons

[humble iris]

are you talking about a real rat, or a spouse? lol

[sinful mantle]

hahahaha...i ran my old lady off so yeah a feral rat

[humble iris]

lol..

[sinful mantle]

actually gonna capture him in a humane trap and releases his butt in the woods

like miles from my house 'cause ive fed him too good