technology

[gray jasper]

ok, thanks

[wet notch]

isn't the config in C:\Users\username\Documents\Battlefield V\settings ?

for origin

or is that an automatic save file for just the settings?

[lunar dawn]

yes but he was also asking for the user.cfg

or thats what i understood

[wet notch]

you're prolly right

i know i have stuff in both places

[idle dust]

is it possible to change the color of hyperlinks in CSS?

[mild bough]

anyone knows why my internet is slow when i use my pc, but fast when i'm on my phone?

[quick locust]

Are you using ethernet on pc

[pale quartz]

yes, not directly however, div elements can be assigned a :hov function for hyperlinks which invert their colour scheme, you can't interact with the hyperlink element itself however, the colour is rendered by the browser rather than it being server side

bad sectors cannot corrupt the windows installation on an SSD

S.M.A.R.T. actively tracks and renders bad sectors as physically unusable for storage, on an SSD anyways so there's no block data held on them to begin with, pretty common with hard drives though

[digital hill]

Well yesterday I installed my cousin an ssd

which is because they always say it's slow and what you know they are running windows on hdd

just tell them windows is running on hdd lets just add an ssd since windows no longer like hdd and that's it don't have to deal with malware and they get a fast pc

[opaque saddle]

However, I have an eMMC drive that corrupted my windows

it is a 4yo pc

[pale quartz]

F

[opaque saddle]

still, 0 byte of storage

[storm osprey]

@hidden root lets go here for this

what size mb?

[hidden root]

its a z690 UD

[storm osprey]

wait.. you already have parts?

[hidden root]

i upgraded back in november

[storm osprey]

so you actually have a 12600k already?

[hidden root]

yeah

[storm osprey]

why would you get a 1X700k?

[hidden root]

i wouldnt?

[storm osprey]

ffs im an idiot, i mixed up your replies with the dude that was asking

[hidden root]

kek

figured that

he should also go 12th gen tho

its just cheaper than 11/10th gen and much more powerful

[storm osprey]

likely, just depends on price. 5800x are getting pretty cheap and their mb are cheaper too

@sick yoke cpu help, which region you in?

[sick yoke]

NA

[hidden root]

12600k outperforms the 5800x and is cheaper too

[sick yoke]

my only concern with 12th gen is the windows 11 bug

[hidden root]

dont get windows 11

[sick yoke]

you need windows 11 to utilize 12th gen? or am i understanding it wrong

[storm osprey]

does that mean usa

because usa and canada prices are different

[hidden root]

i have windows 10

[sick yoke]

yeah sorry dude USA

[sick yoke]

interesting, im seeing online you need widows 11 in order for 12th gen to work, i could be misunderstanding

[sick yoke]

huh

super weird

[hidden root]

intel 12th gen is the leader in CPU's at the moment,

[sick yoke]

my only other question I have for you then is CPU cooling

[hidden root]

5800x is around 350 in the US now
12700KF is roughly the same price, but it has far superior performance

[sick yoke]

whats your set up? pcpartpicker is telling me my Cooler Master 212 isnt gonna work

[hidden root]

what cooler do you currently have

[sick yoke]

Cooler Master 212

[hidden root]

i have a Fractal design Celcius S24

[storm osprey]

cpu isnt the only concern though, amd mbs are way cheaper AND something like the 5600x comes with a cooler, none of intels cpus come with a cooler

[hidden root]

pretty sure no CPU comes with a cooler, thats just package deals

[sick yoke]

interesting i need to dbl check cooling and see if that might just be something weird

[storm osprey]

5600x definitely comes with a cpu cooler

[sick yoke]

Thanks for your help guys

[hidden root]

it CAN come with one

[sick yoke]

@storm osprey do you run an AMD build?

if so i have some questions for you

[storm osprey]

nah, i have a 10700k that i got 2 black fridays ago for 290 bucks

[sick yoke]

oh heard

[storm osprey]

even though i wanted an amd cpu, thats too good of a price to pass up

[sick yoke]

ive been an intel/nvidia simp for awhile now and never used AMD

from my understanding theyre just more budget friendly

[hidden root]

you would spend about the same money for a 12600k with motherboard as you would for a 5800x with a motherboard, but intel is vastly superior

[storm osprey]

ehh amd was better than intel in just about everything for the last 1-2 years until intel 12th gen came out

[hidden root]

and im using the same cooler i used for a 7700k, and ive never had thermal throttling

[sick yoke]

10-4

again i appreciate yalls help

gonna look into upgrading my 9700k

[hidden root]

AMD indeed did have a better price/performance

until 12th gen which just destroyed ryzen 7

when i bought the 7700k i spend 500 for just the CPU

[sick yoke]

sheesh

[hidden root]

i spent 575 for a 12th gen cpu and a high end motherboard

the difference is insane

[sick yoke]

indeed, im hoping this future proofs me for a bit

[storm osprey]

ehh i would look at real word performance differences personally

[sick yoke]

thats my homework now, looking and GN,LTT,JT for comparisons

[storm osprey]

i dont think GN or LTT does average scores compared to previous cpus

[storm osprey]

(hardware unbox ftw)

[storm osprey]

its kind of telling that in a heavily cpu bound game where the 12700k has way more cores it only gets 10% more performance

[sick yoke]

K v KF?

[storm osprey]

KF just means no IGPU

if you have a gpu that doesnt matter

[sick yoke]

beat me to it

oh wow and KF is cheaper

[hidden root]

a 12700k gets better performance at 350 bucks than the 5950x at almost 700

[storm osprey]

hell amd doesnt have igpus as a standard

[sick yoke]

thats pretty neat

[storm osprey]

i mean, 5950x is about the core count, which generally isnt necessary for gaming

[hidden root]

5900x then, which is almost 500

and still gets outperformed by the 12700k

[storm osprey]

5800x is what most would recommend at max for just gaming

[hidden root]

id recommend the better and cheaper option

which is the 12600-12700k

[sick yoke]

now the fun part

mobo hunting

[hidden root]

whats your budget

[sick yoke]

I try and match the CPU cost

[hidden root]

and what do you want in a mobo

[storm osprey]

well the 5800x in total would be the cheaper option, and its only worse by some 2%...

[hidden root]

a 5800x is around 350

12600k is 280

in dollars

[storm osprey]

intel mbs are more expensive

[hidden root]

its a tad more than 2%

[storm osprey]

userbenchmark is not the end all

especially when it comes to gaming

[hidden root]

they are baseline performance

[storm osprey]

not really, its literally called userbenchmark, people submit scores which can vary wildly

[hidden root]

and you can get a mobo for a 12600 for around 100 bucks

[storm osprey]

the absolute cheapest z690 mb in usa is a micro atx asrock mb for 160 bucks

[hidden root]

Z690 is a high end mobo

[storm osprey]

you need z690 to oc, which is a major point of pairing a K model cpu

[hidden root]

you can get way cheaper socket 1700 mobos

[sick yoke]

sorry got pulled away to help a coworker

tbh i dont know much about mobos

[hidden root]

most motherboards allow for overclocking tho

and you dont even need to overclock with these things

[storm osprey]

unless thats a recent change intel has locked OC to K and Z mb for decades

[hidden root]

and the performance gap 12600k vs 5800x in stuff like firestrike and geekbench are around 15%

[storm osprey]

unless you are chasing leaderboards but not going for the absolute best that really doesnt matter

[hidden root]

when comparing the 2 it does

[storm osprey]

it doesnt ever, synthetic tests are just a pissing contest

[hidden root]

a performance pissing contest

[storm osprey]

which doesnt reflect gaming performance at all

basically 5800x with a good mb and a 12600k with a good mb is within 10 bucks of each other, most gaming benchmarks have both cpus within 5% of eachother, most giving the 5800x the slight lead

if you REALLY want to be "efficient", look up what games you play and what cpu benefits those games more

or just buy off what brand you want, considering they are so close to each other in price and gaming performance neither is a bad purchase

[pale quartz]

userbenchmark is not a benchmarking site lmao

ran by intel fanboys never, ever use it if you're trying to compare performance

the IPC difference between both is 2-3% not 9%

also no synthetic workloads are not "representative" of gaming performance, especially for something like alder lake, if you're on windows 10 ADL is a no go whatsoever unless you're wanting to be forced to go to windows 11

Intel's 12th gen is a good generation, but it's not the be all and end all decision, especially if the above applies, don't be brazen about stuff like this and identify it on a per person basis

[supple bane]

i leant on the arm of my chair just now and it literally snapped off.

after some investigating i found this plate

[storm osprey]

damn lose some weight big guy

[supple bane]

thoughts on this? i checked the other side with a probe camera and its not as piss poor quality as that

the two peices of metal sit flush, the welds actually make contact

£275 chair, donezoes

unbelievable

[proud trellis]

ngl thats a bit hypocritical coming from you nyphon

jk

[storm osprey]

at least my chair doesnt break

[supple bane]

im fuming rn

[proud trellis]

is it not still in warrenty ?

or would it be classed as wear and tear

[supple bane]

whats happened is: second image; the right hand weld appears to be the first weld made to put these two peices together, who ever did it welded it before they were flush and instead of correcting it just bodged the other side and failed at that too

so the only thing holding those two peices was that tiny spot weld, the other larger one literally doesnt touch, i can see light through the gap

im surprised it lasted 2 years

[sacred briar]

hey guys, does anyone know if the razer deathadder essential is worth it for semi-competitive? if not then what mouse should i buy instead in that same price range?

[molten bramble]

@storm osprey helped me pick a mouse awhile back, had some good inputs on them. Maybe he'll be able to assist if he's on.

[marsh gull]

yeah there's a couple factors that make it less of a black and white comparison between the latest gen amd cpus/motherboards and intel cpus/motherboards

[odd current]

how do i change the time in game on a pS4

[pale quartz]

you cant

game times are synchronised with a server, not the console

[storm osprey]

For budget, as long as you are ok with a smallish mouse, razer viper mini is unbeatable

Iirc the deathadder essential doesn’t have a good sensor in it.

[prime jasper]

@storm osprey what mouse do you like

[storm osprey]

Viper mini, i main the super light though, it’s just expensive.

[quick locust]

mice for mice

[prime jasper]

Thinking about getting a wireless one. Right now I have corsair wired one

[quick locust]

Next one I get I want to avoid braided cables, can become a mess over time, had to cut some of the braiding

[lone sable]

I main the logitech G502 wireless edition, expensive but definitely worth it

[quick locust]

I have regular version of that

Though I do not like the braided cable on that as they tend to mess up

So next time just regular cable

[lone sable]

I had the 502 ES, special edition but i hated the white and black color scheme

[quick locust]

ah

[lone sable]

So i used that as an excuse to buy the all black wireless edition because the mouse performance is just top notch for me, but to be fair i only game on pc for 2 years... had a crappy 10 euro family laptop mouse and the wired and wireless G502 mouse as an reference

So i am not that experienced with other mouses

[lunar dawn]

no

it was a "bug" in a b660 bios

that allowed base clock oc

you cant oc on non z chipset

[storm osprey]

I fully recommend wireless. Razer oroborus v2 is a god small one

[prime jasper]

I kinda like the way that superlight looks

I'm weary of razer products. I hate their headphones, and their gaming phone was kinda bad

[lunar dawn]

if you want the best then gpro superlight x

does cost a bit

but its so good

[lunar dawn]

i have it

its like the best mouse i ve ever had

especially since you can move it so easily

the ghub software works but its nothing special, and also i hate razer software

[prime jasper]

Cool I'll check it out. Waiting for new headphones right now

[lunar dawn]

one thing is, if you want a big and heavy mouse then i wouldnt go foe the g pro superlight but instesd g502 speedlight

if you want a light mouse then the g pro is perfect (imo)

[prime jasper]

@lunar dawn good info

[fluid sinew]

space

[idle dust]

have you guys ever heard of Framework?

[supple bane]

the laptop company?

yes

[normal thicket]

Do you guys think I could run Battlefield 4 or Battlefield 3 on an RTX 3070?

[twin dock]

assuming you also have other decent components , yes. Shouldn't be a problem

[pale quartz]

you can yes, your processor will be much more impactful on the game

bf3/4 very old games at this point, assuming it's anything semi modem you'll run it fine

[storm osprey]

nah, you need compatible cpu, ram, mb, storage, psu, cpu cooler and a way to turn it all on, preferably a case as well

[normal thicket]

Then should I get an AMD or Nvidia processor?

Or, rather, should I get an AMD processor or does it not matter?

I am, of course, aiming for new hardware

[storm osprey]

you mean amd or intel?

[pale quartz]

^

@normal thicket

[normal thicket]

Yeah, AMD or Intel. Sorry, sorry.

Sorry @pale quartz

[pale quartz]

yeah it's no problem it happens, both are great manufacturers, your choice specifically doesn't matter that much

if you're wanting a suggestion a 5800x and a b550 motherboard or a z690 + 12600k are both great combos

take whatever you find preferable

[marsh gull]

@normal thicket what is your budget for the cpu, what are you planning on doing with it? (what games...etc)

[normal thicket]

I'd say 500 -700 USD, and there's a microcenter about an hour or so north of me that I plan to buy from so shipping isn't really a problem. I'm planning to use my PC to play most Battlefield titles except for Battlefield 2042 and the refractor-era games, as well as pretty much anything on Xbox Gamepass (God bless Phil Studcer) like Crossfire X. I might get - prepare yourself, don't get epilepsy - C❤️ ll of D❤️ ty: M❤️ dern W❤️ fare II, too.

Might, though. Key word is might.

I'll most likely get Elden Ring, too.

Oh, and Halo Infinite. I'll definitely be playing Halo Infinite

[normal thicket]

But like I said, my budget is $500-$700.

If you're trying to convert that into euros, take as long as you need

[storm osprey]

healthy budget, 12700k or 5800x would be the obvious recommendations if its only for gaming and a bit of leeway

[normal thicket]

Aight

thanks

[marsh gull]

the budget is for the pc or only for the cpu?

[marsh gull]

lmao

[marsh gull]

yeah fair enouph

[normal thicket]

I know, I know. I really didn't know how to explain the range of games I wanted to play, and I suck at summarizing.

[normal thicket]

For the PC

I already have the GPU

And the case

[marsh gull]

dw its fine lol

[marsh gull]

oh well ig the rest is ez just get a b550 mobo if you go amd and a z690 for intel and a 750w psu should be fine

[prime jasper]

The 5800x is great

[warm gate]

is it possible ?? i dont know why did i buy this game..

very disappointed

[lofty light]

Why are you trying to whine in the tech channel

[toxic wigeon]

How good was gen 4 intel?

[quick locust]

Haswell was pretty good at the time

Much better than anything AMD had

The last gen on the node though and last gen with ddr3

[toxic wigeon]

That sounds pretty simple.

[opaque saddle]

I have a quad core 4th gen. It is slow for modern day gaming

[quick locust]

Yeah, but also about 9 years old by now

[opaque saddle]

BF1 is the last game that is capable of 1080p gaming

[quick locust]

Was good for it's time, but really long in the tooth

[opaque saddle]

I reckon it is actually bottlenecked in BF5

[toxic wigeon]

I'm not super concerned, I'm not looking to play any modern games on the computer. I'm just exploring the idea for refitting it.

[opaque saddle]

it was fine before the spectre patch

I use that xeon for web browsing. I would rather to do it on an actual laptop

[quick locust]

Haswell is still very common to find, but wouldn't recommend them

[quick locust]

drives running pretty chill

cooler than my NAS

[toxic wigeon]

Ye

Just need something to pair with the radeon hd 5800. But currently I'm just brainstorming, I might just stick more ram into it and call it a day.

[quick locust]

old

[pale quartz]

you would actually be better off selling it

there's a lot of people who pay steep prices for mediocre upgrades to not need to deal with actually getting a new motherboard etc, consider it

old intel processors especially have a lot of dumb stupid people who overestimate it's worth

[toxic wigeon]

Ahh alright.

[tardy forum]

Misclicked and got inside technology channel

[storm osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maqLX05hMuQ&t=711s

tldr, get amd for 1080p, otherwise they almost perform exactly the same

[cold tinsel]

hi, is there any workaround for the flashing colours in the menu?

[quick locust]

!!support

[silent oasis]

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[opaque saddle]

The Radeon HD 5000 series cards are too power hungry for an idle/light use machine which uses 25-27 watts at minimum. Remember, that is at least 12 yo hardware. The whole setup may draw an avg of 140-200w for light use. I have a mini pc and that only draw 2 watts on idle and 8 watts under load.
If you have a laptop, try and plug in a HDMI cable with your keyboard and mouse, that should be a much cheaper (electricity and cost of computer parts) way to run a desktop windows

If you really want to spend money, you may consider getting a $150 for a used Dell Optiplex 3020 system, which comes with 8GB of ram, 128gb of ssd with an i5 4590 inside, it has a integrated graphics chip.

4th Gen intel Haswell machine. But I would rather to connect my laptop to a monitor and call it a day

[quick locust]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/12th-gen-nuc.html?cid=em&source=elo&campid=smg_WW_bracbu_EMPR_EN_2022_0224_NUC_12_Extreme_C-MKA-22955_T-MKA-29451&content=smg_WW_bracbu_EMPR_EN_2022_0224_NUC_12_Extreme_C-MKA-22955_T-MKA-29451&elq_cid=1486946&em_id=77763&elqrid=86937cdf07bc43baa8412c6ec8153b2f&elqcampid=49424&erpm_id=4883352#gs.q7dnxp

[quick locust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0fr7EBsa50&ab_channel=ServeTheHome

[lofty light]

Holy crap that looks awesome

Steam machines but much much better

[humble iris]

D Generate CPU. lol..

[humble iris]

China + Russia = Good buy technology

[quick locust]

New messages notif but nothing new in here

Bot got deleted I guess

[quick locust]

Texture compression

[cursive palm]

sdfxhg

[prime jasper]

What in the heck happened

[humble iris]

That sucks, was it damaged in transit?

[steel nymph]

İ had ps3 160 GB version i can play batllefield4 no lag 60 fps

My friends have no no ps3

So I'm cool

😎

[quick locust]

https://www.pcgamer.com/gabe-newell-metaverse/

[prime jasper]

[pale quartz]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/t0cobp/f_in_chat_and_a_solid_rest_in_pieces_for_my_evga/

[lone sable]

Omg? What did you do? Try to render my mom on 4K res? 😂

[pale quartz]

not mine

[lone sable]

Ah... that makes sense

You would know how to take care of tech i think

[toxic wigeon]

Reminds me that I should probably open by 3080 box to see if it's intact. So close ot building the PC...

[onyx carbon]

would anyone happen to know why when i run my Nord Vpn and try to connect east coast server i get the unknown error but if i turn it off i can get into games

[quick locust]

Some games and website blocks known VPN addresses

@onyx carbon

Also they introduce ping depending on distance, so would avoid for gaming

[sinful mantle]

yeah the reason they kick for VPN is that cheaters use VPN to try and bypass their bans

[gilded raptor]

Hey guys, does anyone know what to do against Punkbuster in BF4?

[quick locust]

!!pb

!!punkbuster

[silent oasis]

ℹ️ If you're having problems with Punkbuster, we recommend following this community-made guide to installing and using it! https://www.carbonic.dk/punkbusterguide/

[sinful mantle]

you need PB to play bf4

The grim truth of it is that it's basically an admin tool

are you having trouble with it?

[gilded raptor]

It kicks me always out a game

[sinful mantle]

do you recieve a message why?

[gilded raptor]

I stay for 20-30 seconds than i get kicked

no

[sinful mantle]

its been set by admin to kick for specific reasons

do you have any unauthorized files attached to your game?

[gilded raptor]

No

[sinful mantle]

okay then go check to see if its actually running....

go to task manager and look see if pb is running

under processes

it will read: PnkBstrA or B

do you see it in task manager?

[gilded raptor]

I reinsall Bf4 at the moment

I see later if it runs in task manager

[sinful mantle]

in the future if you dont see it running go to programs x86 /origin games/ bf4 ....search for PB then right click on it and turn it on...often for some reason it gets turned off

[gilded raptor]

okay, thank you!

[sinful mantle]

never a problem to help a mate

[prime jasper]

Is an electrolaser close to a Tesla cannon or an arc cannon?

[solar kestrel]

the need for a new gpu has gotten to the point where im about to drop almost 400 usd on a 1060

[proud trellis]

dont

apparently the prices are going to drop next month from what ive heard but idk its true

[proud trellis]

I don't want to turn this into a political conversation but i just want to get a brief understanding, with Russia and all these soon to be "incoming cyber attacks" on the UK will it affect all computers in some way or just government equipment ?

[lunar gulch]

is another NewEgg customer story about to unfold?

[marsh gull]

rumors

but yk, all rumors are based on some truth

and its possible since gpus prices are getting noticeably lower

[pale quartz]

lmao we'll find out

[raw turtle]

why tf would you do that? there's better deals new even

[solar kestrel]

yah i think imma get a 1650 for like 250

it’s 4gb and significantly better then the 1060

[sinful mantle]

are you sure about that?

[lunar dawn]

why

literally why

also 1060 3 gb or 6gb

[proud trellis]

id say to go for a 1660 series card

but thats just my opinion

[sinful mantle]

it's slightly better i agree

but:

Why is Nvidia GeForce GTX 1060 better than Nvidia GeForce GTX 1660?

• 1MHz faster memory clock speed:
  2002MHzvs2001MHz
• 4MHz higher effective memory clock speed:
  8008MHzvs8004MHz
• 0.2GB/s more memory bandwidth:
  192.2GB/svs192GB/s
• 2 more DisplayPort outputs:
  3vs1
• 1W lower power consumption when idle:
  53Wvs54W

they are both appx. the same price too...so it's a tough call

[lunar dawn]

no?

a 1660 benchmark ad example https://youtu.be/0mPVgHSiiLA

[sinful mantle]

yeah the 1660 benchmarks at slightly higher frame rates

I may be bias as I just installed a 1060 from my old 960 and I'm in love with this card

any of you guys install the Unreal 5 program and played around with it?

I'm thinking about making a short story with it

maybe a rudimentary game

[solar kestrel]

3gb

i personally dont find the difference between a 3gb 1060 and a new 1650 performance wise is worth the price differece of like 100 bucks

i mean this is the only 1060 i could find at a similar price point

[quick locust]

more than 5 years ago still

[solar kestrel]

would that 1060 be better option than this 1650?

[prime jasper]

No?

The 1650 is a dead product imo

Get the 1650 super

You’d be surprised it makes a lot of difference

[solar kestrel]

im not getting this gpu for my final gpu

literally just getting something to run rust, phasmophobia and like tarkov or something

until i can get my hands on something really good next year

im going for this card cauase of the pricepoint

[solar kestrel]

you have to keep in mind what i have right now is a gt 1030

and im not willing to drop 600 on a card that i will only use for like 8-12 months

like 300 is the most im willing to spend and these cards arnt even that bad for the pricepoint and what i need them to do

[pale quartz]

you wont be running tarkov on that card lol

4GB is not enough whatsoever, get a 6600xt if youre wanting a card

[solar kestrel]

i got play tarkov on a gt 1030

it would be significantly better no matter what

[pale quartz]

no, it wont, actually

stop wasting your money with hardware which will give you mediocre performance

[solar kestrel]

i’m not looking for insane performance that’s the thing

[neat vale]

What if theoretically

[solar kestrel]

i’m literally looking for mediocre

[pale quartz]

see above

[neat vale]

He doesnt have the money to buy better hardware

[solar kestrel]

not spending 600

[pale quartz]

what if theoretically, they do, because thats exactly why they are here

[solar kestrel]

waiting for 3060 to become available

[solar kestrel]

no he’s right

i don’t have the money

i already said 300 was my limit that’s why i’m going for the 1060 or 1650

[neat vale]

Yeah so if he doesnt have the money give him advice for the right price range

[pale quartz]

see if you can get a 1070

but do not get a 1650

[solar kestrel]

1070 is more around 400

i thought about it

but im also not going to play 1080p anyway

i play stretch

[pale quartz]

the performance delta between the 1060 and 1070 is close to 25%, so its worth your time

[sinful mantle]

a 6 gig 1060 of course would

[solar kestrel]

that’s more of in the 6-800 range

[solar kestrel]

i would 100% get a 1070 if i had 100 more to spend

[pale quartz]

stick with the 1060 then

[solar kestrel]

3gb?

is the one i shower early alright ?

showed

[solar kestrel]

^^^

[pale quartz]

6gb

[solar kestrel]

6gb is still like 600 bucks

[pale quartz]

..

just get the rx 580

no headaches

[solar kestrel]

that’s also 600

[pale quartz]

where are you buying from exactly

[solar kestrel]

new egg

[pale quartz]

stop using one store

[solar kestrel]

what store is that

[pale quartz]

amazon

[solar kestrel]

oh

where i live it’s still 600

[pale quartz]

that is US amazon

[viral quest]

jio

@burnt drift get here

[burnt drift]

Why bruh?

[viral quest]

cuz

u hot

[burnt drift]

Bruhh

[viral quest]

yes

[leaden spruce]

i'm playing bf 4,1,5 but bf1 is low fps low cpu usage low gpu usage and low fps and randomly controls are stopping
my spec:i7cpu rtx2060 16gb ram 144hz monitor anyone can help me?

[lusty bough]

Try to run at max settings or recommending ones

[leaden spruce]

yep i did that and other things turning on dx12 set to all max set to all low turning off vsync and others but it didn't work fps is keep droping

[prime jasper]

What gpu do you have

Oh 2060 didn't see

[viral quest]

Hi y'all.

[supple bane]

What cpu?

You said i7, what i7?

[leaden spruce]

i7-9750h 2.60 hz

[eternal belfry]

Lol

[supple bane]

So its a mobile 2060 then too

[misty cedar]

👍

Why can't I send pictures

My 5600x and 1070 bring me 144hz

[storm osprey]

!!regular

[silent oasis]

The Regular role is earned by users automatically who are active in chat and follow the server rules. With this role you can post/embed images, use some bot commands, and change what color you appear in chat.

[lone sable]

Damn i wanted to buy an AMD 7 5800x and a new mobo, those 2 combined costs 520 euro

Way too damn much

[storm osprey]

12600k or 5600x is youre next option

[lone sable]

Either way gotta buy a new mobo... stupid that Intel forces mobo upgrades whenever getting a newer cpu

[toxic wigeon]

9800x4d next gen CPU.

(Just meming, Mind me)

[lone sable]

How wil that make our game render faster? Use the dimension outside of the computer box? 😂

[toxic wigeon]

Transdimensional CPU.

[lunar dawn]

i mean if you get the 5800x you ll be forced to upgrade mobo while with intel you would still be able to use 13 th gen on it

[lone sable]

I currently own an i7 9800K, As far as i know my mobo is 1151 and stuck at status 'useless' lol

[storm osprey]

theres not many people that upgrade with new generations, i think most people keep a cpu for at least 3 years, on average i would guess 5 years

[rapid remnant]

Any date for update BF2042

[storm osprey]

#game-news message

[warped oak]

Release the eastern front for bf5 we’d rather have that than a scoreboard in 2042

[storm osprey]

you really gotta post the exact same thing in every channel?

[warped oak]

[lone sable]

I bought this PC 2 years ago with the 3D software Maya in mind, but now I find my self using Unreal Engine 4 a lot which has more use to more cores/threads than core speed compared to Maya.. Thats why i wanna do a CPU switch

[lunar dawn]

i mean you can get a i9 9900k but thats about it with that mobo

am4 is now dead since new amd cpus will be am5

the only platform thats alive rn is intel lga 1700

anyway, right now id get a 12600k or 12700k since you can get drr5 ram in the future, pcie 5 support and also you can get a new cpu if you want in the future

12600k is a really good cpu for the price

[lone sable]

That does mean buying new mobo as well, also i don't trust those 4 effiency cores lol

[lunar dawn]

i mean those efficiency cores are like just normal cores from a couple of generations ago

i mean check the benchmark

gamer nexus did a really good one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkHMh8sUSuM

[lone sable]

ah so that is what 'Effiency cores' means

[lunar dawn]

check the full review i linked above lol

explains everything

including e cores and p cores

[lone sable]

yugh 20 minutes video... i prefer reading

[lunar dawn]

i mean you can skip and just check the graphs

[lone sable]

imma skip through the time stamps i see in that bio of the video

[lunar dawn]

at the beginning there s also the part of what e cores are etc

anyway basically you get p cores wich are performance cores

and e core wich are weaker

and intel basically markets them are useful for background tasks or for example a background stream

while you game

[lone sable]

Ah fair enough, that could be usefull

but i need my PC as an workstation, compiling things in UE4

[lunar dawn]

also the single core perf on 12th gen is just amazing

also on that video there are compile benchmarks

so yeah check the timestamps

[sinful mantle]

oddly the mobo is generally the cheaper part compared to GPUs and some CPUs

[lone sable]

True but imo it costs so much but it feels like there is no upgrade when buying a newer mobo lol

[sinful mantle]

i feel your pain im facing the same delema

[lone sable]

i already have nvme, really only care about that and a Doslink input because of my speakers set up

[sinful mantle]

yeah it really sucks when the only items you can port over are the power supply and case

[lone sable]

yep

ah so P cores have threads but E cores don't, interesting.. probably to keep the Temp and pwr usage low?

[sinful mantle]

yeah I 'spect so

[pale quartz]

yeah, the only problem is, its not

the intel thread director cannot and does not "schedule" tasks according to processes, it is incapable of this and this will remain the case until if/when RPL launches, potentially after

[pale quartz]

these are generational limitations

e-cores are skylake 6th gen in architecture which do not support hyperthreading for the core being used, it isnt about heat or power usage

[lone sable]

Ab that also makes sense, thank you!

[quick locust]

https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/02/microsoft_pluton_chip/

[storm osprey]

hyperx pulsefire haste is getting a wireless version, for 80 bucks... hot damn

[storm osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-gEjpEXkt4

[quick locust]

🤔

Doesn't seem anything special

[storm osprey]

.. how dare you

[viral quest]

Lol.

Here we go.

[lunar gulch]

I was looking forward to the new wireless HSK+ with side buttons but they messed the side button placement up. Mouse is going to be DOA I think.

[storm osprey]

i feel like gwolves products have way too many compromises, especially for the price

[lunar gulch]

the HSK+ has TTC gold encoder and Kailh 8s with a 3370 @ 39 grams

buts its pointless because the side buttons are at the front of the mouse

like the rear of mouse button 4 is where button 1 starts.

[candid nebula]

technology

[humble iris]

Good Bye Microsoft. I am most definitely ditching Windows after Win 10 goes EOL. In no way should an OS ever want your credit card. This is Ludacris in my opinion. Of course there are many more reasons then just this.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/618957/new-windows-11-test-build-wants-to-know-your-credit-card.html

[marsh gull]

you should try ubuntu

its linux but wayy more polished

i use it daily

[humble iris]

I have, it's pretty good, probably the most popular Linux. It's gotten a lot more user friendly over the years. I have not used it in probably 5 or 10 years.

[marsh gull]

yeah its great now

i just use windows because theres more apps and games on it but if suddenly installing something 3rd party on linux becomes as hassle free as on windows im fucking reformatting my windows drive for good

[pale quartz]

pretty standard procedure lol

it's for office 365 subscriptions, and it doesn't force you to enter any payment credentials

whole lot of people who use the service suddenly wonder why they can't use the service they pay for when their credit card expires

[sturdy merlin]

does anyone know how to fix punkbuster? i just want to play battlefield 3 but it keeps kicking me out.

[quick locust]

!!punkbuster

[silent oasis]

ℹ️ If you're having problems with Punkbuster, we recommend following this community-made guide to installing and using it! https://www.carbonic.dk/punkbusterguide/

[humble iris]

I've never put my credit card directly into an Operating System. Then again I don't use subscription services nor will I ever.

[marsh gull]

i just use spotify lol

[cursive ermine]

Is 500W psu enough for rx 6600 xt + i7 11700KF?

[prime jasper]

Yes

[marsh gull]

yes it is

[pale quartz]

*barely

[pale quartz]

then you won't need to do this lol, stop fretting

[weak girder]

not rly

U could but Id go for higher

[idle dust]

hey, I have a question...

how could one post blog posts on a self-made website without creating a new HTML document for every new post?

are there any programs for that?

[pale quartz]

what do you mean?

[lunar dawn]

barely

but will probably be enough if its a good psu

[idle dust]

is it possible to add more content to a website without dealing with HTMLs directly?

with the help of a software that you only have to configure once, so it automatically pastes the site's structure and overall design into the new page.

I can give you an example when I'm home later today.

[pale quartz]

I'm assuming this is a raw html page

if that's the case, the answer is no, it's why frameworks exist because HTML isn't advanced enough to meet what users want, if you're wanting to build a personal blog, do not use raw html, something like angular will serve your needs much better than raw HTML/CSS designs

[idle dust]

I see...

[idle dust]

what about Bootstrap?

[pale quartz]

angular > bootstrap

[idle dust]

Angular then, okay...

[wind drift]

Hey, does anyone know if hyperthreading(smt) helps in bf2042?

I have a 4/4 cpu, will a 4/8 help me untill I can get a 6/12 one?

[quick locust]

It does help yes, but I don't recommend buying a 4 core

[wind drift]

Im not buying it, I can borrow it from a friend until I can get a 5600x this summer. I have a 2300x rn and I can use the 2400g.

[quick locust]

Ah

[pale quartz]

2400g
2400g is vega lol

[wind drift]

Nobody is talking about the gpu

Question was will I get more stable fps with a 2400g over a 2300x

[pale quartz]

no lol

[wind drift]

So you are saying hyperthreading doesnt help in battlefield?

[pale quartz]

where did i say that

[wind drift]

You just said no lol to me

[pale quartz]

and where does that involve hyperthreading

[wind drift]

Read my first message

[wind drift]

Here

[pale quartz]

had you waited 60 seconds, you would have found out that they are both zen+ processors, getting a 2400g isnt going to improve your framerate

zen+ is skylake level IPC, they are both woefully underpowered

[wind drift]

2400g is zen I think

The question was about hyperthreading none the less

The cpus are mostly the same, one of them has smt enabled

I would imagine that the fps would be more stable than without it

[pale quartz]

youd imagine wrong

your problem isnt core count, its CPU performance

if youre wanting a new processor just get a 12400f or something

[wind drift]

I just said I am getting a 5600x

[quick locust]

he's just borrowing it

[pale quartz]

youre getting a processor that is inferior to the other?

[quick locust]

not buying

[wind drift]

My god

Read dude

Read

[pale quartz]

yeah, i just told you, dont buy the 5600x in the summer, get the 12400f

youre wasting money

[wind drift]

Intel motherboards are way too expensive

Why would I buy a motherboard when I already have one

Ready to upgrade to 5600x

Its the most cost effective solution

[pale quartz]

because theres no guarantee your current board has been updated for ryzen 5000, except if its b550/x570, and given youre running a zen+ it definitely isnt a pcie 4.0 chipset

[wind drift]

It is updated

Its a b350 and it supports ryzen 5000

Even b450 does

[pale quartz]

b350? youre OOL

the BIOS's for b350 do not support ryzen 5000 correctly

[wind drift]

This isnt a beta bios

[pale quartz]

all b350 boards are beta updates for ryzen 5000

the AGESA for comboPI does not support b350, and it hasnt since it was restructured for zen 3

expect crashing, instability, voltage irregularities, and the common memory problems that are on b350 boards

[wind drift]

I think those are only on regular B350 boards

mine is an a320m hybrid

[pale quartz]

there is no such thing as a "regular" board, yours is still b350

the chipset is the exact same

[wind drift]

Yes but it doesn't have some b350 chipset features

That's why it was updated fairly soon

while all the other b350 gigabyte boards were waiting for bioses

[pale quartz]

yeah, which is why it also wont work properly lol

the only reason your board was updated was due to security vulnerabilities on prior AGESA's, it wasnt to support zen 3 on b350

because b350 cant support it, and it never has

[wind drift]

If it doesn't work out I can easily get a B450 board and still be bellow the Intel price markup

Can't hurt to try first

[pale quartz]

b660 is relatively cost effective

[wind drift]

Not here

Basic boards start at $120

H610

[pale quartz]

and b450 is like $80, a 5600 is more expensive than a 12400f

[wind drift]

It's $40 more expensive

B450 is $70

[pale quartz]

yeah, notice the $10 slightly higher cost, for more performance

and that b450 board won't last you anyways

zen3d will not support b450

[wind drift]

Intel won't too just 12th and 13th gen

I don't need zen3d

[pale quartz]

you don't need Zen 3 either but you're considering buying it

[wind drift]

I'm much better off getting a 5600x now and update on 9th gen ryzen when ddr5 and motherboard prices trickle down in price

[pale quartz]

yeah gl with that lol Zen 4 doesn't even exist yet

[wind drift]

You are acting like it won't lol

[pale quartz]

yeah, it won't, cause Zen 4 is not cheap to make

neither is PCIe 5.0

and neither is ddr5

[wind drift]

Yeah not now

but in 3-4 years time it will be cheaper

[pale quartz]

..., so you're waiting 3+ years for having to swap socket when b660 literally allows you to upgrade to raptor lake which will compete with Zen 4 lol

[wind drift]

And I would be locked in at raptor lake lol

No further updates

Why do you think I need that extra 5-10% performance boost?

I'm not running a 3080ti or something

[pale quartz]

yeah sorry AMD's whole run with AM5 will be the same thing

this AM4 longevity thing won't happen again on AM5

[pale quartz]

RPL is 20% over ADL lol

[wind drift]

have you tested it?

or is that just intel marketing?

[pale quartz]

if you seriously think I'm parroting intel marketing, that's quite laughable

[wind drift]

Yeah but you can't know for sure

Can you?

[pale quartz]

can I?

[wind drift]

Just like ryzen 1st gen was going to smash intel and it didn't

[pale quartz]

go back and check my comments on zen 4 from months ago

and see how it holds up now, and test that I can't know for sure

[wind drift]

Anyway it's heading way out of my original comment, I came to ask about hyperthreading not get buyers advice

Thanks though

[pale quartz]

gl

[humble iris]

There are many programs for that. You can write a PERL script that updates an HTML file with a new post. I actually avoided Wordpress for years and such because it is over complicated and having to keep up with the updates. I wrote my own blog app in PERL and used it for several years. Then I went ahead and decided to use wordpress becuase I thought it would be beneficial which was a huge mistake. 10 years later my entire site is useless as it is no longer supported after PHP5+, so 10 years of webpages and posts are archived because no webhost supports PHP5. So I totally agree that making a blog with basic HTML is the smartest thing to do. HTML has been around the longest and will always be around. eveything is parsed into html at some point anyway as thats the language interpreted by the browser. PHP, PERL, ASP, etc.. are server side programs that write the html output. So other then using these server side programs like Drupal, Wordpress, etc.. you can use PHP, PERL directly to write the HTML page, or update the html page, otherwise good old Notepad works for me.

Ohh forgot to mention the main issue was not being able to import the old MySQL database due to PHP5 to PHP7 issues.

[verbal totem]

Battlefield 2042 sucks ass

[proud trellis]

thanks for the input

[quick locust]

https://tenor.com/view/big-lebowski-the-dude-your-opinion-gif-4476328

[proud trellis]

[lucid cedar]

Why can't I match in European service? I'm always the only one in team A

[marsh gull]

ok thanks have a nice day

[verbal totem]

Are you being dead ass

I was talking about 2042

[marsh gull]

.

i mean 2042 does suck ass but thats not what you said

[verbal totem]

There I edited it

[hoary furnace]

Yeah man, just play Battlefield 1

[marsh gull]

alrt lol thx

[marsh gull]

im still addicted even after 2 years

its incredible

[mental quail]

if anyone can help me my pc blue screens every time I play BF5 no specific time and I don't have enough time to read the error message I don't really know where to go from here pls help

[lunar dawn]

do you have on oc on your cpu/ram/gpu?

[mental quail]

whats OC?

[lunar dawn]

overclock

[mental quail]

oh my bad no

[lunar dawn]

does it also bsod on other games or just bfv

[mental quail]

just bf

[lunar dawn]

are temps good (on cpu and gpu)

[mental quail]

yea

i saw something about psu

[lunar dawn]

mhh first thing i d try is download latest gpu driver (for amd or nvidia, depending on your gpu)

[wooden eagle]

Hey guys what do you think about RTX 3070ti + Ryzen 9 5900X + 32gb ram on Battlefield 2042 with ultra quality ?

[proud trellis]

wouldnt bother playing ultra if i were you

[wooden eagle]

If I play in quality recommended by Geforce experience, how many fps do I reach?

[proud trellis]

idk

although i wouldnt expect much as i dont think the game is very optimised yet still

[pale quartz]

resolution?

[lavish arrow]

my bf4 game is showing me an error screen could someone help me over dm's

[prime jasper]

nah, youre too stupid to understand a simple cocept

[lavish arrow]

your too fat to get up from your desk

[prime jasper]

*youre and my point exactly

[lavish arrow]

🤓

🐖 this you

[prime jasper]

judging by the lack of comprehensive skills between your eyes, we can all assume youre still in school and cant afford a decent graphics card in order to run these games. ask mommy and daddy for one next time, kiddo

[lavish arrow]

you still live with your parents

[prime jasper]

Aren't semi-automatic revolvers more practical than the single shots and double action ones? If there were 12 shots semi-auto revolvers, could they be useful for the military?

[wooden eagle]

1080p

[pale quartz]

you'll be wanting to drop it down to high, the 3070ti isn't powerful enough for ultra quality high framerates at all times

[quick locust]

[pale quartz]

turn off future frame rendering whilst you're at it too

[supple bane]

25 fps inbound

[quick locust]

actually decently stable and good

wonder how my intel gpu will handle it when it comes

[pale quartz]

Terrible probably lol

I'm expecting arc drivers to be fried from the moment they launch

[quick locust]

Probably

[pliant fox]

@pale quartz hey man, you think you can help me out real quick? I got a question...

[pale quartz]

I can try my best, can't guarantee anything

[pliant fox]

Can I dm you?

[pliant fox]

haha thanks

[prisma anvil]

I built a PC for my friend

these patriot vipers go 4266 cl16 flat at 1.5V without a fan

man he is gonna game good

[prime jasper]

You put a Fan on Ram? Thats neat. Never seen that before.

[quick locust]

Cause its useless for 99% of the time

[lunar dawn]

tbh only ecc (in some cases) or ddr2-3 needs a fan

[quick locust]

https://youtu.be/SFBpQJoU8L0

Tiny

NUC size

[quick locust]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-h610-motherboard-debuts-with-ddr4-and-ddr5-support

[digital hill]

So wait can you have both ddr4 and ddr5 for dual channel on your motherboard?

[quick locust]

Probably not

Either one ddr4 or one ddr5

Not both

[pale quartz]

impossible, the memory topology for ddr4/5 are separate

[prime jasper]

A plasma railgun is a directed energy weapon, isn't it? Wasn't it said that a railgun isn't a DEW?

[humble iris]

well try fitting 12 rounds of anything into a cylinder of a revolver that's one huge cylinder. Secondly a revolver is not a semi-auto really, because you have to cock the hammer to get a light trigger pull, otherwise you have to pull the weight of the trigger and the cylinder cycle. So No! Semi Auto ACP style pistols are superior to revolvers in every way, however I will say revolvers are more dependable because of the simplicity. But modern semi autos are very dependable if use correctly, and matched with proper rounds, Springfield Armory pistols are IMO the best, and superior to Glock.

[prime jasper]

Ooh ok thanks for the informations

[real matrix]

Could someone help me

It's a weird bug thats happening. Everytime I launch Battlefront II, it launches, loads, but then freezes, then crashes. I've tried almost everything I can think of.

[prime jasper]

Technology

[short pawn]

gotta turn on msi afterburner just to have fans on with my amd card without it im getting 70+ temp

with it on 30

30-50

[quick locust]

The card follows the vbios fan curve

[prime jasper]

Finally I was able to get rid of Nano Kontrol 2 Midi controller. I now added the keys to control individual game / app volumes.

[quick locust]

https://www.igorslab.de/en/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3080-gaming-oc-waterforce-wb-when-aluminum-destroys-the-cool-circuit/

[toxic wigeon]

What the hell.

[quick locust]

Listed and advertised as copper, but it is aluminium

[toxic spade]

Hello can you help me
BFV is going from 140 to 10-5 fps suddenly every 5 minutes
I have a recording of it

Pls ping me if you know how to solve it

[molten flame]

Leaked Ryzen 7 5800X3D pricing at $449 MSRP in the US

Profit margin far lower than 5800X launch

[toxic wigeon]

16 or 32 gigs of ram? I don't need to do much on it anyways.

[storm osprey]

for just gaming 16gb

i think there are very few games that actually have decent gains from 32gb

[digital tundra]

Minecraft 64 chunks

[pale quartz]

32GB is the norm nowadays

16GB won't suffice for games

[pale quartz]

ryzen has a profit margin close to 2-3x it's manufacturing costs, per unit, I don't think AMD is bothered when they already print money even with zen3d lol

[molten flame]

Yeah lol

Heard the 3D chiplet increases manufacturing cost of Zen 3 by up to 50%

[storm osprey]

really interested in the reasoning behind this statement

[pale quartz]

because games like 2042 alone will utilise 10GB of memory by itself lol

[storm osprey]

so theres still overhead even with 16gb, so why is that still not enough?

[pale quartz]

no, that is not "overhead" territory

that is entering paging territory

[storm osprey]

which means what exactly?

[pale quartz]

which means you are entirely out of usable memory for external programs, and are utilising the swap disk to suffice for there being no room

[storm osprey]

and this will be a problem for gaming how?

[molten flame]

I feel like computers are headed into a direction where there is a large pool of RAM rather than individual components having their own memory

[sinful mantle]

its actually been ghoing the othert way

[storm osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYgPfsiprUI one of the more comprehensive tests for gaming between 16gb and 32gb of ram that ive seen and it just doesnt seem worth it...

[pale quartz]

...

you realise what swapping is.. right?

[sinful mantle]

so you allocate a couple gigs to windows functions

[molten flame]

M1 Pro/Max disagrees

[sinful mantle]

like I use 12 gigs for programs and 4 for windows

[storm osprey]

no, literally why im asking. i doubt 99% of people know what that means in this context too

[pale quartz]

swapping is when programs cannot utilise your physical memory, and it is a problem because disks do not have anywhere near the performance as main memory does for I/O throughput

[sinful mantle]

page or swap files...meaning your ram is always being 100% utalized

[pale quartz]

it totally trashes and destroys ingame performance

16GB is not enough for running modern games, and it hasnt been for a while

[storm osprey]

i know you are really smart about this shit, but ive not seen any indication of this though...

[molten flame]

If your game isn't optimized enough to even make use of SD card bandwidth, fuck outta here

[pale quartz]

doesnt matter if you have or havent, its just the way things go now

[storm osprey]

basically im saying prove it...

[sinful mantle]

sounds like another case of you know what

[pale quartz]

this good enough?

[storm osprey]

thats supposed to prove what?

[pale quartz]

that 16GB isnt enough?

[sinful mantle]

well no mater if you have 4 gigs or 64 gigs your ram will always be fully utalized

[pale quartz]

what? no it wont?

[sinful mantle]

hells yes it will...there is never an empty bit of ram...

[pale quartz]

trolling isnt allowed here btw

[storm osprey]

i dont see how posting a picture of your ram usage means its not enough for gaming

[sinful mantle]

page files fill the void

[pale quartz]

lol

trust me when i say swapping is terrible

[sinful mantle]

i am no troll my friend

[pale quartz]

i dont need to max out my memory to prove it, it always has been

[pale quartz]

yeah, just stop

[storm osprey]

for all we know you have a bunch of programs open for whatever reason.. and all that could barely mean worst fps/frametime/lows for 99.9% of games out there, even new

[pale quartz]

yeah, like every other normal person, who has external software open

nobody doesnt have other programs open lol

[molten coral]

I also hit 16GB though

[storm osprey]

are you being extremely pedantic or actually not comprehending what im saying?

[molten coral]

with just destiny 2 open and a few chrome tabs

[sinful mantle]

you just dont know what you are talking about

[pale quartz]

no actually, im trying to tell you this is exactly what a normal user has

which is why 16GB doesnt suffice

[pale quartz]

point exactly

[molten flame]

Entire RTX 3000 series lineup to remain in full scale production even after RTX 4000 launches

[storm osprey]

youre trying to say you are a normal user? that sounds pretty far fetched to say the least

[pale quartz]

is it? cause im just any other person lol

[sinful mantle]

do you not understand that no matter your ram capacity it will always be fully utalized if not by avtual programs then by page files

[pale quartz]

is nacho not a normal person too?

[storm osprey]

yes the software developer with a self proclaimed titan of a pc that seemingly has knowledge beyond a vaaaaast majority of people when it comes to pc is average...

[pale quartz]

yeah, turns out i just run regular stuff like every other normal person lol

[storm osprey]

sure

[pale quartz]

job =/= not regular people, fyi

i find that actually quite insulting

[storm osprey]

how the fuck you got to that is beyond me...

[molten flame]

[storm osprey]

im literally saying you are seemingly a smart person and likely doing more with your pc than the average person because of that.. if you genuinely think thats and insult idk... seems like youre fishing for more compliments otherwise

[sinful mantle]

or perhaps trolling?

[pale quartz]

no, im telling you that what you think of me doesnt matter, dont project that into what i supposedly do

[storm osprey]

ive literally only stated what is in your "about me" section...

[pale quartz]

yeah, which has nothing on my regular pc experience

i and nobody else are special, doesnt matter if we're programmers, or otherwise

[storm osprey]

it more has to do with the titan pc and assuming you are not playing at 1080p 60fps and have more things open in the background

[pale quartz]

^

[storm osprey]

nacho isnt playing at 1080p 60 fps

[molten flame]

24GB that sweet spot 😩

[pale quartz]

way isnt either

with the pc hes getting, anyways

[storm osprey]

so are you saying 16gb is enough for 1080p 60fps?

[pale quartz]

yes

[storm osprey]

certainly didnt make that clear

[pale quartz]

i mean the original comment was from way, i didnt think it was necessary

[molten flame]

More system memory usage when going higher res/fps?

[storm osprey]

it was treated as a general question, and you answered in a general way.

[proud trellis]

how is 32GB the norm ?

[pale quartz]

notice the second sentence

i dont need to do anything

[sinful mantle]

well you seemed to be making a blanket statement this is why the feedback

[pale quartz]

read the original quote probably then idk

[pale quartz]

yes

[storm osprey]

iirc way is at 1440p 60 fps, 16gb for just gaming should still be good enough even for you own (imo oddly high) standards

ive not seen any actual sources that show 32gb being worth it for just gaming over 16gb for any resolution either

[sinful mantle]

to be fair it will happen soon

[molten flame]

Apple announces M1 Ultra chip with 20-core CPU and 64-core GPU

Ultimate apu

[storm osprey]

youre talking 1% changed in averages, frame time, and 1%/.1% lows

[pale quartz]

way is not targeting 60 frames

and 99% of people building a pc, are not, either

he is targeting high refresh rates, 16GB is not enough for these types of specifications

[storm osprey]

do you have benchmarks to back this up anywhere? or is source "dude trust me"?

[pale quartz]

benchmarks.. on memory utilisation?

[storm osprey]

benchmarks for games?

how is that such a bewildering ask?

[pale quartz]

why would you want benchmarks.. for memory utilisation?

that makes no sense

[molten flame]

20-core Apple M1 Ultra is 60% faster than the 28-core Intel Xeon Mac Pro

[storm osprey]

what doesnt make sense is how you are confused why im asking for benchmarks on games between 16 vs 32gb of ram for gaming when way is asking for that exact scenario...

[pale quartz]

no, hes not lol

hes literally not

what are you even talking about you cant "benchmark" memory utilisation, it literally has nothing to do with performance whatsoever

[storm osprey]

can you actually prove anything for once though?

[pale quartz]

by the fact there are a grand total of 0 benchmarks with that specification? it does it for me

infact, since you mentioned it, maybe the fact that benchmark reviewers utilise 32GB as a defacto standard speaks for itself

[storm osprey]

what is your specification?

[pale quartz]

not that its pertinent at all

[storm osprey]

youve said 16gb is not enough for modern gaming, prove it

[pale quartz]

me and nacho literally just did

we exceeded 16GB's of collective utilisation, on one game

bit weird going round in circles

[storm osprey]

doesnt mean you cant game

[pale quartz]

...?

what does that even mean

if a person runs out of memory they literally cant use anymore

[storm osprey]

doesnt mean the game stop working...

[pale quartz]

because.. not enough.. means.. it doesnt work?

[storm osprey]

what is the performance loss of having 16gb vs 32gb in the same system?

not enough implies that it will be detrimental enough to justify having 32gb over 16gb

[pale quartz]

memory utilisation has 0 influence on gaming performance?

no, you literally just dont make any sense

and dont understand what youre discussing

which GPU

[molten flame]

When games start to run out of RAM the chance of a OS/hardware crash increases iirc

[sinful mantle]

BFV works best with DX11

[toxic wigeon]

If I can step in. If I play a game on 1440p with no programs in the back. What difference would 16 be over 32. Have games really just pushed it?

[pale quartz]

framerate, and game?

[toxic wigeon]

Let's say 2042.

[sinful mantle]

not quite yet

[pale quartz]

2042? yeah gl with that, youll need 32 lol

[storm osprey]

here i am currently playing 2042 with 16gb just fine...

[pale quartz]

at a bare raw minimum windows will idle at 4GB of utilisation with nothing running, and 2042 at 1440p can and will exceed 12GB of utilisation

ergo, fully done

[storm osprey]

and the result of that is what?

[sinful mantle]

i do trust Nyphon so thats proof enough

[pale quartz]

the result of that is youre entirely out of memory, and the game will start hitching/freezing/insert x game problem

i dont think you understand what exactly being out of memory actually does nyphon

[storm osprey]

and that hasnt bothered me in game at all

[storm osprey]

maybe not exactly, which is why i was genuinely asking what that does at first.. until you started being a borderline dick about my questions

[sinful mantle]

so nyphon keep an eye on your harddrive to see

[pale quartz]

yeah forgive me for trying to explain to you for the last 30 minutes what it does, but your point blank refusal is irritating

driver ver?

[storm osprey]

nah you started being a bit of a dick from the first few messages when i was actually asking what certain things do

[pale quartz]

is it physically greyed out?

[pale quartz]

no, i told you, 7 times, the exact same thing

you have to turn on DXR aswell

uh odd one not entirely sure, you probably wouldnt see a benefit to DLSS anyways

2042 is heavily CPU bound, youd probably lose performance switching it on

[pastel marten]

i gain 20 frames, and i have 3070 (when dlss is on)

no sacrifice to graphics either

[pale quartz]

(cpu dependent)

uh idk restore nvidia's optimised settings for the game will probably switch it on

geforce experience -> 5 -> default settings

there

[sinful mantle]

like i said turn DX12 to null

BFV works with DX11

[pale quartz]

its the same procedure lol

[sinful mantle]

give it a try

[pale quartz]

how do you know when youve not even tried?

[sinful mantle]

eliminate the possibilities

then go on to the next step

[pale quartz]

no need to get feisty lol

[sinful mantle]

do like Deco advised; restore nvidia's optimised settings for the game

try reinstalling your card

youll get a refresh on the driver

dude you obviously dont need help

in the past 20 years ive unseated and reseated my card and ram several times to success

if you get one freakin error in one bit your screwed

PC are just funny logical beasts...sometimes the wildest procedure produces the greatest results

i can dig it

glad you're set

[sinful mantle]

nice

[molten flame]

Anytime I installed Nvidia drivers, I unchecked the install box of GeForce Experience

[sinful mantle]

i do too

[arctic isle]

some one here get good fps on this update!? pc users !

[humble iris]

I have 32GB of ram Quad Channel and never exceed anywhere near 16GB of ram playing 2042, however, the more ram you have the more that will be utilized. If you have 16GB of ram it will be fine, but 32GB installed will have higher ram usages because it has more to utilize. Also dual rank 8GB dimms, or 4 dimms of 4GB will perform better then 2x8 single rank. so there are a lot of variables. Z690 has issues with 4 dimms as quad channel DDR5 kits do not exist yet AFAIK. Also if your PC is setup pretty economical and not have a ton background processes then you won't notice much from 16 to 32, but 32GB will be better, just not 100% necessary. Basically if you have more, then more will get used, otherwise like Deco said it becomes a paging issue. More is always better up to a point when more ram exceeds performance limits, larger kits might not perform as good as smaller dimms. etc..... it goes on and on. more dimms limits XMP profiles.

[marsh gull]

yeah i just go with 2x 16 and i never go above 14gb at a time

[molten flame]

Ryzen 5 5500 is a 5600G but without iGPU, expected to cost $100 less than the 5600G

[atomic latch]

Pretty good deal honestly, 5600G is a good CPU

[prime jasper]

Technology

[viral quest]

👍

[pliant fox]

Anyone that could help out with my build? Just started my first build and got everything except for some cables (RGB) that don't fit where they are supposed to fit... as my first time im stuck at rock bottom atm..

Dm me if you have some spare time

[humble iris]

Played 2042 for about 2-1/2 hours (34% of 32GB) max memory usage.

it was like 11GB

[quick locust]

👀 deco has been set loose i see

[quick locust]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-enables-ecc-on-12th-gen-core-cpus

[molten flame]

W680

[molten flame]

Ryzen 7 5800X3D may not support overclocking because thermals are through the roof

Maximum operating temperature is also lower than previous CPUs too

[storm osprey]

sponsored by roccat?

[pale quartz]

it's more than likely because of the slight increase in cache latency

you push the voltages on TSVs and it's probably going to go haywire

PBO/2 etc will still 90% be supported, manual base frequencies will be canned

overclocking is pointless on Zen anyways so meh

[molten flame]

5800X3D could end up being slower than 5800X in synthetic stuff because of the lowered clocks but games won't care because there's now a big cache

[pale quartz]

yeah, it wont

the 5800x3d is a 5800x chip on a refined node, which was mediocre in terms of "synthetic loads" to begin with on the base spec, 5900x and above have mediocre gains from TSV implementations because of their massive cache from the getgo

any difference will be so small that margin of error factors would come into play

especially for something as complex as chip silicon

[molten flame]

I figured lowered clocks and the loss of manual overclocking was mainly due to 3D chips trapping heat

Since this will be the first ever 3D CPU package in the hands of consumers, they wanted to play it safe by keeping users from trying to manually tweak it

[molten flame]

For the past couple months, 12900K are barely meeting 12900K spec and have been getting worse as Intel is holding back more and more good binned chips to make the 'KS' variant

[pale quartz]

it's valid speculation, but it's more down to technical limitations rather than thermal

stacking the cache actually reduces the total heat density in the processor itself as it is physically taken off the CPU die, and offloaded for TSVs to bare the brunt of the transfer load, the issue is distance, as it's further away there is an inherit latency penalty to fetching and transferring from the stacked cache, which means clock speeds have to be (slightly) reduced to accommodate timing synchronization

[proud trellis]

nice setup

if its yours

[molten flame]

Damn, the drawbacks of TSVs are fairly insignificant but I feel like if RDNA3 is 3D it's gonna have more problems with this technology than Zen 3/4

[pale quartz]

nah, GPUs actually benefit way, way more than processors

thing you need to consider is total die density, a processor is well, tiny, so there is little to, no margin for things to go wrong in the given accommodated space for implementing things like 3d stacked cache, GPUs on the other hand have room which is massive, things like CUDA and AMDs implementation of CU cores already actually are detached from the main die so benefit massively from a massive chunk of pooled memory it can access from

[molten flame]

RDNA3 may remove L3 from the GCDs entirely and rely exclusively on V-cache for its Infinity Cache

[pale quartz]

RDNA3 will be a MCM design, so things like stacked cache is a huge benefit for it specifically

when you go from monolithic to segregated chip design, and throw a whole bunch of cache on each of those chips, you are basically doubling your total available cache pool

L3 is already penalised quite a bit from segregated dies, so if they get rid of it its not too unexpected

[molten flame]

Ada Lovelace having a massive L2 cache instead of an L3 cache may turn out to be better than AMD's second iteration of Infinity Cache

[pale quartz]

ehh Lovelace at this point is on the backfoot, for pure rasterisation, anyways

isn't a whole lot Nvidia can do to compete with a MCM with a monolithic die, which is why they're transferring over for blackwell to it

[molten flame]

RTX 3090 -> RTX 4090 about a 50-60% jump in rasterization realistically

Not 2x like rumors say

[pale quartz]

and for RDNA3 expect 2x a 6900xt

2-2.2x~

[molten flame]

Ray-tracing performance like 3-4x faster than 6900XT I bet lmao

[pale quartz]

RT performance will scale linearly with RDNA due to their RT core implementation with CUs, which is doubling with RDNA3, so yeah 3x is roughly correct

Nvidias problem is they have been stuck since Turing relying on int32 for raw rasterisation which has sort of come to bite them in the ass

[molten flame]

RDNA3 finally brings a competitor to Tensor cores as well

[pale quartz]

all I'll say about Ada Lovelace is, if you need a space heater for powering your pc, get the top model

expect 600W TDPs (not kidding)

[molten flame]

TBP above 600W

[quick locust]

My 1000W psu will finally have a challenger

[pale quartz]

TBP is always higher than TDP, but it's not reliable for measuring power consumption

[molten flame]

600W GPU that is power spiking could easily overburden a 1000W PSU

[pale quartz]

it definitely will

600W is 2/3rd the entire power consumption of 3 6 pin PCIe connectors, it's totally insane

[molten flame]

I've already heard claims that 1200W PSU is minimum requirement for the top AD102 SKU

[pale quartz]

eh well, the absolute top AD102 it will be, whether that actually ever comes out, no idea

TDP for that nuclear reactor is atm 700W which is totally insane

[quick locust]

lol

[molten flame]

4090Ti would very likely follow the path that the 3090Ti takes; release almost 2 years after the 4090