also keep in mind that if you need to update the bios to support that cpu you ll either need a different (and supported) cpu to update it or a "cpu-less" update button on the mobo
#technology
lunar dawn
toxic wigeon
Yeah I"m going to have to do it CPU less
Unless I can snag an extremely cheap what, 1600?
marsh gull
same with psus
prime jasper
same with psus
Not to high tho, you can aim higher but not too high
Power will be redundant
The efficiency will go down
marsh gull
yeah tru
i took a 750w 80+ gold evga psu for a 5600x and a 6600
a bit overkill but in the long term worth it
marsh gull
lol
prime jasper
The new rdna cards are efficient
marsh gull
I have a 5600x and a 6700xt with a 650w gold psu
nice cpu tbh
prime jasper
My 6700xt doesnt draw 200ws
marsh gull
The new rdna cards are efficient
the most my system uses usually is like 250 w
marsh gull
is there any benefits to undervolting?
prime jasper
is there any benefits to undervolting?
Yea
prime jasper
Power consumption lower, temps lower and lengthens the lifespan
marsh gull
Overclocking at 2520 min and 2620 max
is a 6600 easily overlockable?
marsh gull
Less heat output too
fair enouph but i dont care too much about that
marsh gull
like in msi afterburner i just set the slider all the way to the right?
marsh gull
My 6700xt draws less than a 3060ti lol
haha yes
marsh gull
wanted to have a 3060 ti for my new cutom but i settled for a 6600 because of the prices lol
marsh gull
ill just use a guide lol
marsh gull
Different silicon
yeah tru
prime jasper
Some cards may overclock better than others
marsh gull
Some cards may overclock better than others
yeah same with cpus
prime jasper
Watch ancient gameplays for radeon stuff
prime jasper
yeah same with cpus
Yep
marsh gull
but the 5600x self-overclocks so well i dont need to do it really
marsh gull
Watch ancient gameplays for radeon stuff
alrt
prime jasper
I use pbo
marsh gull
same
marsh gull
my 5600x in bf never goes above 70% utilisation but my gpu is pegged at 100%
prime jasper
Max at 1.3 at 4.6
prime jasper
my 5600x in bf never goes above 70% utilisation but my gpu is pegged at 100%
Lol
How
prime jasper
Same
prime jasper
I have a nhu12s
marsh gull
niiice
prime jasper
Dual fan
marsh gull
i just wanted rgb tbh
prime jasper
I get like 65 max
marsh gull
i just wanted rgb tbh
and some decent cooling
prime jasper
Uhuh
marsh gull
but i mean its really details at that point
spent a bit to have 32gb of ram
completely useless for gaming
prime jasper
Ive been meaning to get 16 more
32 in total then
Bf pegges my ram at 15.2 gb
Lol
marsh gull
i mean its nice to have headroom but i barely go over 14gb total in most games
marsh gull
Bf pegges my ram at 15.2 gb
same lol
bf1, bf5 and 2042 are ram hoggers but they're the biggest
prime jasper
No game should use more than 20
marsh gull
there's city skylines with like 24gb but thats another story
marsh gull
No game should use more than 20
points at escape from tarkov
prime jasper
.-.
marsh gull
Above that, they are unoptimised
i mean my city was pretty big
but rn i mostly play days gone where my cpu is like at 20% constantly
its pretty much streching its legs at this point
marsh gull
Hows the 6600 in that game?
60-70fps ish in 1080p ulra
prime jasper
Nice
lunar dawn
Unless I can snag an extremely cheap what, 1600?
make sure it supports it then
not all mobos support that kind of bios update
prime jasper
Doesnt warzone and cold war use a lot of vram?
Not regular ram
Correct me if im wrong
lone sable
Cold war was indeed VRAM heavy but for me still managed to look bad lol
I have an 8GB 2060S
lone sable
Oh yikes... yep
lone sable
I just want a faster GPU for rendering in blender
lone sable
Cuz more games are using more vram
This is true
prime jasper
I just want a faster GPU for rendering in blender
Get a nvidia gpu for rendering, amd has a long way to go before they can beat nvidia in rendering
Cuz of cuda and nvenc
lone sable
Yeah i was thinking of staying with Nvidia GPUs but going to AMD for CPUs
lone sable
Yeah they did, they almost made me switch to it a couple of days ago
lone sable
The Ryzen 5000 series
Yeah but decided to wait for the market to cool down, it is a luxury but not a need to upgrade my cpu right now
prime jasper
Ryzen 5000 is still better than the 12th gen in rendering applications that leverage the cpu
lone sable
Besides need to upgrade mobo as well sadly
lone sable
Ryzen 5000 is still better than the 12th gen in rendering applications that leve...
Yeah i also heard that, but i want an AMD CPU so i can unpack Unreal Engine projects faster... loading shaders is a hell on a intel cpu lol
lone sable
What cpu are you having rn?
I have an I7 9700
lone sable
Sadly not
8 cores and 4.7 max Ghz but never went above 4.45 even tho i have a good cpu cooler
prime jasper
Yea the non k cpus cant boost
You just have to rely on the mobo
To increase or decrease the volts
lone sable
Yeah but on the box it says 4.7Ghz... i feel betrayed lol
lone sable
Could be yeah, but i bought it first hand 🤷🏽♂️
2 years
Bought it just before the covid price spikes... i was really lucky
prime jasper
Cpus should be degrading after 2 years
They should be the longest lasting part in your computer
lone sable
Ah that is sad to hear, but finally i know why thanks
prime jasper
Like my friend has a fx 6300, it still works fine. He uses it as an office pc 
Thats like almost 9 years old
lone sable
Oh damn
prime jasper
Still works fine
lone sable
I feel bad for him, how slow it that thing? 😂
lone sable
I was also tempted to buy more RAM for my projects but also as a nice boosts for games
Just to realize that games don't use more than 9gb of ram lol
lone sable
It uses ddr3 1333<:JoyTeeth:802613789563289650> <:JoyTeeth:802613789563289650>
Oh ouch
That friend of yours probably has a lot of patience
lone sable
😂😂
prime jasper
lone sable
Just buy a raspberry PI, i think it would out perform it xD
lone sable
Bulldozer cores? What are rhose
prime jasper
False advertising an octa core fx 8350 when it really was a 4 core 4 thread
Fx series
lone sable
Oh yikes yeah good, they deserve a sue than
Hate when that happends, i get promised A but get B
prime jasper
Bulldozer, pile driver Excavator
All iterations of the bulldozer core
Which sucked in the first place
Fx 9590 was the ‘first’ 5GHz processor
But to reach that ooh boy
It needed like 1.6 v
lone sable
You would have to have the perfection conditions and such huh?
lone sable
Lots of cooling as well for that 1.6V heat
lone sable
Hehehe yeah that makes sense
lone sable
Hehe
prime jasper
Amd is hella efficient now
Intel is the one with 150 w cpus
12th i9 pl1 goes up to 240w
Then hovers at 125 w
lone sable
Damn if soneone has the money for those newer CPU than they have probably combine it with an even higher usage GPU
prime jasper
Lmao
marsh gull
they got it wrong on top of that a 3090 has like double the vram they're showing lmao
prime jasper
120 bucks for a chance to win a 6900xt?
Sign me up idc the cost
I get scammed? Dont worry
supple bane
i would like to see a content creator buy one just to see what you actually get.
strong breach
This is the pr way of saying that the box might include something else than a GPU
Also that grammar is pretty painful to read
proud trellis
120 bucks for a chance to win a 6900xt?
didn’t LTT or someone do that one time
and all they got was an old ass GPU
prime jasper
prime jasper
This is the pr way of saying that the box might include something else than a GP...
Grammar is the determinant flag you have to see to determine if it is a scam or not
Bad grammar bad product
Good grammar good product
At least generally
strong breach
Yea
strong breach
The description even says that all products are not shown in the photo or description
Aka those gpus advertised are pretty much impossible to obtain, it's like unboxing csgo cases but irl
prime jasper
Scam alert
Why would you waste your money on a random box that might ‘might’ have a gpu
Smh
prime jasper
you would get like 10 gt 730s
A gts 430
marsh gull
hahaha lmao
marsh gull
Aka those gpus advertised are pretty much impossible to obtain, it's like unboxi...
haha yes
prime jasper
People dont feel the shame
marsh gull
they just milk the gpu shortage
marsh gull
its called the internet
strong breach
marsh gull
sounds accurate
strong breach
F for Jeff
prime jasper
marsh gull
F for Jeff
F
prime jasper
‘I dont know what you’re talking about i dont know gpu, no gpu here’
You get what you get
Shut up and take it
marsh gull
poeple that got scammed shouldve known, it smells scam a mile away
quick locust
rip
marsh gull
Let me buy please
'mom i know it didnt work with the robux but i feel it this time PLS PLS PLS'
prime jasper
Product comes
Mom enters room
Sees a box of flour
That? I paid 140 bucks for that?!
Come here you
Dead
marsh gull
*Sees a box of flour*
the kid is in the middle of the room, fainted with white powder pouring out of his mouth and nose
marsh gull
I bought coke for my kid
yeah coca cola ofc
marsh gull
i mean the child had a nice time
prime jasper
Hey beatrice yea no my kid was asking me to get a gpu for him. I know, gpu prices are insane as i got my kid a 3080 for 1200 dollars. What?! My tommy got his for 140 dollars
You must be crazy to pay that much beatrice
Either tommy got a really good deal or
Wait
marsh gull
yeah and its even got some of that, what; rbg?
prime jasper
Its the latest trend
marsh gull
yeah and its even got some of that, what; rbg?
yeah there's contantly flashing lights and sparks coming from it i dunno if its a feature or what but so far hes been happy with it
prime jasper
And oh, this gpu makes a buzzing noise as standard
marsh gull
And oh, this gpu makes a buzzing noise as standard
damn 3D rgb
prime jasper
yeah there's contantly flashing lights and sparks coming from it i dunno if its ...
Oops my house burned down
Must have been my oven
marsh gull
maybe its the heating feature that comes with it
marsh gull
yeah its immersive when there's explosions
marsh gull
Its like 110c
ez even the pcb melts, but thats a feature
prime jasper
Lol
marsh gull
malleable and flexible, fits all cases and form factors
prime jasper
Lmao
raw turtle
verbal cliff
rtx 3050 worth getting?
wanted to build a second pc to keep in the living room
for vr and other stuff
storm osprey
make it easy to move your main computer back and forth, like buying a pc cart
slate rivet
^
storm osprey
verbal cliff
make it easy to move your main computer back and forth, like buying a pc cart
i would but my room is on the second floor
and living room is on the first floor
a bit of a hassle
storm osprey
is a bit of a hassle worth maintaining 2 computers?
supple bane
nyphon stop pushing your silly pc cart idea 
slate rivet
the thought of building another PC angers me lol
storm osprey
never
slate rivet
nothing worse, rather pay some kid to do it
supple bane
pay me :)
slate rivet
i don't have a PC that needs building lol
storm osprey
as someone that had 2 pcs, you realize youre compromising on both pcs when you can just have 1 good one (unless youre loaded and can afford top of the line across 2 builds easily)
slate rivet
as someone that had 2 pcs, you realize youre compromising on both pcs when you c...
problems us rich folk have 
supple bane
Oh no.
slate rivet
too big
supple bane
Nyphons gonna get a hard on
slate rivet
looks like a synology case
slate rivet
no rgb, is it even a PC?
verbal cliff
i forgot i have a rx 5600 xt just sitting in the basement.
imma just use that instead of buying a 3050\
storm osprey
no rgb, is it even a PC?
gpu has rgb, i follow the rules
slate rivet
gpu has rgb, i follow the rules
smart man
verbal cliff
that case is clean
slate rivet
tbf need a rtx - only thing i miss in my PC
and an i9
asked my company to pay for it, they said no
storm osprey
that case is clean
its literally the one you linked
storm osprey
its SLIGHTLY a pain to work in
verbal cliff
where is the power supply
storm osprey
behind the mb
verbal cliff
bruh
slate rivet
chunky thing
storm osprey
basically lol
storm osprey
the depth is normal, the height is short, but its wide
slate rivet
the depth is normal, the height is short, but its wide
sounds like someone who is 5ft human
storm osprey
yea, if i was shorter it would be a proportionate case to me
slate rivet
yea, if i was shorter it would be a proportionate case to me
same lol
latent light
AMD-Xilinx merge got the green light
prime jasper
Let the competition begin
atomic jackal
is it harmful to hibernate frequently with a ssd? i have fast boot turned off
im worried it might eat away from my ssds lifespan
sacred dove
My guess at Starfield PC requirements (assuming XSS is below PC minimum, and XSX at PC recommended)
Minimum (RT off): 12GB RAM, GTX 1070 8GB, Ryzen 3100
Recommended (RT low): 16GB RAM, RTX 3060Ti 8GB, Ryzen 3700x
High (RT high): 24GB RAM, RTX 3080Ti 12GB, Ryzen 5800X
lunar dawn
My guess at Starfield PC requirements (assuming XSS is below PC minimum, and XSX...
3080 ti is too high and also 24 gb is an odd number for ram tbh
if thats 4k then it might makes sense but like 1080p rt low nah
sacred dove
3080 ti is too high and also 24 gb is an odd number for ram tbh
what makes you think it's too high? 3070 was recommended for high settings games as far back as 2020
and that was for games that were also developed for 2013 consoles, like 2042. Starfield won't be that way
cyberpunk recommended 3080 10GB for 4k ray tracing high, for example
prime jasper
3080 ti is too high and also 24 gb is an odd number for ram tbh
3080ti has 12 gb
lunar dawn
3080ti has 12 gb
i mean ram not vram
lunar dawn
what makes you think it's too high? 3070 was recommended for high settings games...
wich games?
lunar dawn
cyberpunk recommended 3080 10GB for 4k ray tracing high, for example
like i said with rt on ultra and 4k makes sense
sacred dove
that's what my original post said yes
maybe i didn't include "4k" but it's not like that's super duper more highly taxing compared to 1440p. people are gonna have a mix of settings anyway
lunar dawn
maybe i didn't include "4k" but it's not like that's super duper more highly tax...
it is
sacred dove
wich games?
doom eternal, cyberpunk
lunar dawn
doom eternal, cyberpunk
dude, doom eternal can run on a potato
a 970 is reccomended for that game
or 1060
sacred dove
dude, doom eternal can run on a potato
i was talking about 1440p-4k
lunar dawn
i was talking about 1440p-4k
even at 4k a 1080ti is still enough
like that game is very very well optimised
sacred dove
its morw than double the pixels
doesn't really matter, plenty of modern cards run better at 4k regardless, so the pixel difference is offset
lunar dawn
doesn't really matter, plenty of modern cards run better at 4k regardless, so th...
i mean depends
if you have a cpu bottleneck then yes
sacred dove
i'm aware that doom eternal is well-optimized
that's irrelevant, i was sharing you the literal specs as stated for highest end from the devs themselves: 2080Ti, aka 3070
sacred dove
if you have a cpu bottleneck then yes
nah, relative to 1440p, 30 series for example performs better at 4k than 1440p
regardless of cpu
lunar dawn
nah, relative to 1440p, 30 series for example performs better at 4k than 1440p
depends on gpu and in general no
a 3060 will have lower fps in 4k
lunar dawn
and also where do you get this data, i have a 3090 and get more fps in 1440 than 4k
sacred dove
so do i
i never said it had more fps, it just does better at 4k relative to 1440p
i have three 30-series gpus
what i mean to say is, you're not getting double performance at 1440p just because it's half the pixels
you're getting a lot less than double
lone sable
What do you 2 do for a living to buy such an expensive gpu? If you don't mind sharing that is 👀
sacred dove
i work in the videogame industry myself, but that doesn't mean i make a lot of money. i just saved
lunar dawn
What do you 2 do for a living to buy such an expensive gpu? If you don't mind sh...
i got a 3090 msi suprim for 1200 euros at a local shop
worked as a pizza delivery guy for 4 months during summer to do some money (im still in school, 18)
sacred dove
i also got my stuff msrp. never buying scalped. ever
lunar dawn
i got a gpu for lower than msrp
lone sable
i work in the videogame industry myself, but that doesn't mean i make a lot of m...
Ahh nice, working at the place that you enjoy :)
sacred dove
pretty lucky
lone sable
worked as a pizza delivery guy for 4 months during summer to do some money (im s...
Nice that is some dedication!
I suck at saving up money lol, borrowed money to buy a pc for school...
Got lucky, bought my pc 2 months before covid hit and ruined the market
sacred dove
getting a 30-series laptop rn is the play. best way to get good gaming performance and the prices are good
also the cpus in the current ones, even below $1500, often out-perform 3000 ryzen
merry solar
how good is hp new omen pc ?
sacred dove
my 30-series laptop cost exactly as much as my 3090 yet is barely outperformed in most games
lone sable
Oh nice that is good to know
merry solar
how good is hp new omen pc ?
does anybody have got new omen pc
lone sable
Honestly i forgot HP new omen was even a thing.... i bought an headset of them 6 years ago lol
Very comfortable, sound quality was't the best but certainly not the worst either
lunar dawn
how good is hp new omen pc ?
well its an oem so i guess making the pc yourself would be better
prime jasper
i got a 3090 msi suprim for 1200 euros at a local shop
Thats below msrp
Congrats dude
A 3090 for 1300 dollars instead of 1500
prime jasper
funny enough, with ray tracing, 3060 often beats 3070 at 4k
Yea its a shame nvidia made the 3070 with 8 and 3060 with 12
Rightfully the higher tier cards should have more vram
3080 has 10 lol
And its limitedness is already showing
sacred dove
Yea its a shame nvidia made the 3070 with 8 and 3060 with 12
i don't mind the 3060 12GB all that much. there's a time and place for that.
but for sure, 3070 should have been 12, and 3080 16
prime jasper
But dont worry, there is a 3080 12 gb
lunar dawn
A 3090 for 1300 dollars instead of 1500
1200 euro is more than 1500 dollars
prime jasper
Then there are rumors of a 16 gb 3070
prime jasper
1200 euro is more than 1500 dollars
Huh?
prime jasper
Yuh
Congrats on getting a one of a kind gpu for so cheap
Enjoy it
Till you know
3090 ti comes out
lunar dawn
Congrats on getting a one of a kind gpu for so cheap
i mean before i had a 2080 ti and i sold it for 1500 euros
and a 1070 fe and sold that too for 600 euros
lunar dawn
I sold my 1660 super for 280 dollars
ngl thats pretty low
prime jasper
Bought it at 190
lunar dawn
1070s go for 500 dollars rn on ebay
prime jasper
Least i got to sell it day 1
As soon as i listed, there was a buyer
I didnt want to price it high since my aib card wasnt like the strix or gaming x cards
sacred dove
But dont worry, there is a 3080 12 gb
yeah i'm skeptical about its ability to play high settings 4k games after this year.
the 6800XT's 16GB gives it years more life outside of RT
prime jasper
I mean, nvidia is just gonna keep cranking out 2 gb more vram cards for 200 usd more in msrp
Look at the 3080 now
10 gb Goes for 1000+
12 gb when for 1300+ here
The 6900xt could have competed better with the 3090 had it had more vram
Like 20 or something
The 6900 xt just felt like a 6800xt plus
sacred dove
The 6900xt could have competed better with the 3090 had it had more vram
nah 16GB was more than enough. 4k gaming won't hit that for several years at least
humble iris
8 is enough to fill our lives with love ♫♪♪
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWMJoV0ozIM
prime jasper
nah 16GB was more than enough. 4k gaming won't hit that for several years at lea...
Nah i meant for content creator aspect
sacred dove
yeah specific uses i guess
extreme modding at 4k will also end up hitting the 16GB wall, but i doubt that will be an issue even with Starfield
prime jasper
Since games are more and more demanding nowadays, 8 gb should be the minimum
12 is the sweet spot
sacred dove
i really do expect Starfield to go over 10GB vram at 4k high settings though
Technically there is a market for 4GB cards. indie gaming, 2012 and older gaming, and esports titles with performance modes
prime jasper
Yep
Indie games dont need more than 4
Imagine using a 2 gb card in 2022
All you can play are indie games
lunar dawn
The 6900xt could have competed better with the 3090 had it had more vram
but why
only 8k needs more than 15 gbs
4k uses max 12-13gbs
lunar dawn
Imagine using a 2 gb card in 2022
you can play conpetitive games
like csgo
rainbow six
prime jasper
256 vs 384
lunar dawn
valorant
prime jasper
If they had matched nvidia in bus width and push g6 to 18 gbps i think they would have competed better
Theres a refresh for rdna 2 cards coming
Using 18gbps memory
That should put amd in a much better position to compete
6950xt vs 3090ti
Loses but trades blows
Maybe
prime jasper
3090 ti has a 450 w base tdp
The days of 1200w psu are coming back
A heavily bined 3080 can go upwards of 420
3090 ti aib cards pushing up to 550w is no stranger
sacred dove
Imagine using a 2 gb card in 2022
several esports titles use under 2gb
fortnite is like 1.5gb on competitive settings
sacred dove
3090 ti has a 450 w base tdp
can we stop using w and start using kw at this point
like 3090Ti is basically .5kw
prime jasper
Watts?
No graphics card measures in KW
Like a 3060 uses 0.13 kilowatts
Doesnt make sense
sacred dove
some 3090s can already hit over .5kw i believe
prime jasper
500 watts
prime jasper
I guess
sacred dove
for that matter, 9979mhz clocks annoys me too
can we just call it 10ghz yet
yeah i got a 1011743hz overclock
pulsar sentinel
Should I pick Intel or AMD?
I compile programs a lot, so I def need cores. (though my budget can't afford a Threadripper)
toxic wigeon
AMD
lone sable
Buying an AMD cpu and mobo is for me cheaper than getting an better INTEL cpu than i currently have lol
prime jasper
Yep
lone sable
Also you don't have to upgrade your mobo as much as you would compared to intel.... AMD CPUs work longer on the same MOBO compared to INTEL because they keep switching their CPU socket thingy
lone sable
At least that is what i found out with my limited research on amd lol
prime jasper
From Ryzen 1000 till now lol
lone sable
Oh good lord 👀
prime jasper
For the new 3D V-cache version of the 5800x still uses AM4
lul
But Ryzen 7000 will use AM5
lone sable
I bought an cpu 2 years ago and i would need to upgrade my mobo if i want to have an better intel cpu... but like what changed in 2 years that requires an mobo change? Lol
prime jasper
They originally promised a 5 year lifespan on the socket
They under promised and overdelivered
Also because they received a bit of backlash for the requirement of B550 for Ryzen 5000 instead of keeping ur B450 mobo
lone sable
They under promised and overdelivered
ah nice, that doesn't happen often in my experience
lone sable
ohhh nice
i almost bought an AMD CPU and mobo, But I also wanted an automatic watch for so long so i went for that one... Perhaps next month i will upgrade my CPU/MOBO
prime jasper
A watch?
lone sable
yeah
prime jasper
How much it cost?
lone sable
280 euro
prime jasper
Ah, nice
lone sable
it is an automatic watch, it charges every time i move my arm.. it doesn't require any batterij.. if taken proper care of it could easily go an decade with me
problem is, if it does get beaten up the price for maintaince is high,, but i love it so far
prime jasper
Yep i know
lone sable
is it okay if i sent an picture of the watch to you in DM?
lone sable
exactly
prime jasper
Sure
lone sable
I am thinking of buying the 7 5800x CPU
lone sable
let me look that one up
i can't find it on the website where i buy pc parts, but what does the 3D cache thingy do exactly?
prime jasper
Claims to boost performance by 15% or 20% or so from the original
lone sable
ohh nice, that would be handy for compiling things in UE4
prime jasper
Yea lol
lone sable
whoa i found an AMD mobo for 760 euro that is insane
prime jasper
Yea, some of the tough armored ones cost higher than normal looking ones
Like the crosshair hero boards from asus
Or gigabyte Aorus Extreme
lone sable
Yeah exactly i was looking at those
i just want an Mobo with more fan headers than i currently have, i am happy with the mobo specs
prime jasper
Msi and gigabyte board tend to have a decent amount of em
lone sable
thanks i will keep that in mind
prime jasper
🙂
lunar dawn
whoa i found an AMD mobo for 760 euro that is insane
i mean there are 1000+ dollars mobos for amd tr socket
like the zenith ii extreme alpha from asus rog
lone sable
yeah but those are TR, if you have the money for that you prob have the money for an TR as well... but i think those were normal AM4 sockets... not 100% sure tho
marsh gull
I am thinking of buying the 7 5800x CPU
wait for the new amd cpus that are coming out soon
lone sable
when will those drop you think?
prime jasper
I cant wait to see how they perform
fossil elk
5800x3d drops somewhere between now and april
Ryzen 7000 drops somewhere between August and December. New line of CPUs, new AMD sockets as well, so you need new motherboard
I was looking at the 5800x3D, but I do more than just gaming, so I went with the 5900x instead.
disappointed that they're not doing a complete 5000 refresh.. Was hoping for a 5900x3D
fossil elk
Well, their argument is that 8 cores is the sweetspot for gaming, and they wanted to cater that audience.
And it sucks, cause it looks like 5800x3D will have the best single-core performance out of all the 5000 CPUs
fossil elk
Maybe the 5900x3D got too powerful against upcoming 7900 🤔
Maybe that's why they scrapped it 🤔
fossil elk
true true. Will be interesting to see
sacred dove
I was baffled at why it there only one sku?
probably because the 5900/5950 x3ds outperformed some 7000 cpus
only reason i can think of
also @latent light suggested it
quick locust
sacred dove
https://twitter.com/CapFrameX/status/1487820564689473539?t=4A79Hn8lRi0XbS-z2_rBv...
what weird settings to use on a low end gpu
why not use fsr performance and low settings
bizarre
midnight crypt
doubt it would make a huge difference
sacred dove
doubt it would make a huge difference
maybe, maybe not, but why not just show that?
i can bring a 3090 down below 60fps with fortnite or cyberpunk with the right settings. and?
midnight crypt
and?
midnight crypt
that card is garbage regardless
sacred dove
i mean the low end gpus should cost a lot less than they do.
idk why low-end buyers would try to play next-gen-only titles on Medium settings
low end cards are for low end gaming, like old games and esports titles
6500xt getting 140-260 fps on fortnite https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4MHoi3AKZk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLmO7LwrPk8 350 fps valorant
cursive ermine
guys does i5 10400f bottleneck rx 6600 xt?
supple bane
guys does i5 10400f bottleneck rx 6600 xt?
no, but why would you buy a 10400f?
its 2 generations old. get a 11400f or 12400f
cursive ermine
because i have it from last year
supple bane
i see
cursive ermine
and just ordered rx 6600 xt
supple bane
upgrading from what?
cursive ermine
gtx 1650 lol
prime jasper
and just ordered rx 6600 xt
Nice
sacred dove
guys does i5 10400f bottleneck rx 6600 xt?
nah that'll be just fine for quite some time, especially just for gaming
prime jasper
and just ordered rx 6600 xt
What aib model you get?
cursive ermine
What aib model you get?
Asus rog strix
cursive ermine
Very cant wait for it to arriveee
prime jasper
🙂
prime jasper
6700xt
cursive ermine
Nice 👍
cursive ermine
Woah noice
Wish i would get the rx 6600 xt at msrp aswell lol
Paid 638 euro for it 😔
prime jasper
Yep
cursive ermine
Noice
prime jasper
Since its triple fan
cursive ermine
Oh wow
cursive ermine
I wanted to buy triple fan xfx but ended up with the rog version
cursive ermine
Pog
prime jasper
For radeon, i like the exclusive partner cards better
Something to them that makes them unique
cursive ermine
Hmmm
prime jasper
Sapphire cards, powercolor cards, XFX
prime jasper
Oh
cursive ermine
Cya
pale quartz
nah that'll be just fine for quite some time, especially just for gaming
yeah definitely not lol, the 10400f isn't a 10900k
lofty light
Depends on the game and resolution/target fps
Technically you could game on an old celeron still
sacred dove
yeah definitely not lol, the 10400f isn't a 10900k
it's not a 900k
but it's literally just fine and will be a good while. it's on a similar level as a 5600x
pale quartz
it's not a 900k
but it's literally just fine and will be a good while. it's on ...
except it actually isnt
the 10400f is locked and can't have it's scale modifiers changed, furthermore on anything that isn't a z490 board the potential for overclocking is entirely gone for other parts like the memory
so no these aren't equal comparisons for long term usage, one will last much further than the other
pale quartz
You dont need a 10900k for gaming
this is about long term viability, not gaming, a 10400f will not last for quite some time in this department
infact its already totally washed by higher core count parts today, so if you think a locked, 6 core part is going to be viable in even 4 years you are in a totally fantasy land
lofty light
Still depends on what you want it to run anyhoo
prime jasper
Longevity wise yea go for 10900k
pale quartz
you'll have a space heater at least for 4 years
lofty light
A pointless and expensive space heater 
pale quartz
won't need to pay a gas bill! long term viability!
lofty light
Hook it up to a hotplate for passive cooling
pale quartz
there's a reason the kfc pc uses a i9
lofty light
That one is actually good though innit
prime jasper
11900k is garbage
lofty light
Yes
prime jasper
That one is actually good though innit
Yea
lofty light
That's why I used the kappa
lofty light
prime jasper
12900k does 240 watts
lofty light
Means sarcasm
wraith sky
A W-3175X would work nicely.
lofty light
Just use an i7-960, still works great today
wintry prairie
👀
prime jasper
Just use an i7-960, still works great today
wraith sky
Nice! Two of these then. 😁
prime jasper
🙂
lofty light
I remember a few years ago when using a Xeon was the go for cheaper gaming
Basically getting a locked i7 for much less
sacred dove
the 10400f is locked and can't have it's scale modifiers changed, furthermore on...
maybe 0.001% of power users will ever overclock
out of gamers, which is what we were talking about, even fewer will ever overclock
pale quartz
except you're wrong
prime jasper
10600k is unlocked
pale quartz
because processors overclock themselves lol
sacred dove
infact its already totally washed by higher core count parts today, so if you th...
many cpus that will last a long time to come are "washed" by newer/more expensive parts.
irrelevant
prime jasper
Non k doesnt overclock
pale quartz
on non f skew parts
prime jasper
Boosting you mean?
lofty light
Just using a motherboard bios overlock is also easy as
pale quartz
boosting is overclocking
overclocking is when you go above the factory clock settings, boosting does that
prime jasper
No?
pale quartz
yes?
lofty light
It may be a shitty overclock but it still does stuff
prime jasper
Thats manual oc
sacred dove
none of this is relevant, the cpu is equivalent in performance to higher end 3000 series cpus, it will be just fine for several more years objectively
prime jasper
You’re referring toAuto oc
sacred dove
just a broken spout of irrelevance
pale quartz
none of this is relevant, the cpu is equivalent in performance to higher end 300...
the 5600x is a Zen 3 part not a ryzen 3000 part lol
and ofc it's relevant
it's entirely relevant, one boosts, the other does not
that's pretty significant
sacred dove
the 5600x is a Zen 3 part not a ryzen 3000 part lol
5600x is also equivalent to high end 3000 ryzen, genius
prime jasper
5000 series*
sacred dove
this person is maddeningly wrong lol
pale quartz
5600x is *also* equivalent to high end 3000 ryzen, genius
no, it's not
what are you talking about
it beats them it's not equivalent
pale quartz
this person is maddeningly wrong lol
you clearly don't know what you're talking about lol
so don't @ me with your rage
sacred dove
:) k
prime jasper
Relax
wraith sky
But you seem angry . . .
pale quartz
But you seem angry . . .
I have better things to do than get angry at a discord channel lol
honest sandal
grizzled tulip
🤔
sacred dove
cpu a that costs 3x cpu b will outlast cpu b
The genius takes we get in #technology
lunar dawn
Non k doesnt overclock
you can oc bclk oc an non k
basically edit base cpu clock
or if your mobo doesnt support oc (non z chipset) i guess that you can flash a modeed bios, recently in fact there was a bios for a b660 board wich you can oc (iirc)
lunar dawn
why do think Intel's turbo voids the warranty?
there s no way intel turbo boost void warranty
its enabled by default so its impossible
auto oc in the bios (if thats what you mean) yes it can void warranty
pale quartz
there s no way intel turbo boost void warranty
no, it does, it's just intel has no way of finding out if it's turned on or not
lunar dawn
no, it does, it's just intel has no way of finding out if it's turned on or not
i literally googled it and it says the opposite
pale quartz
it isn't enabled "by default", infact it never is enabled by default, these are bios level configurations
Google doesn't give you the right answers :)
lunar dawn
it isn't enabled "by default", infact it never is enabled by default, these are ...
but it always is enabled
pale quartz
try actually reading Intel's warranty and you'll see they explicitly do not cover overclocking for their warranty, just because they develop something doesn't mean you have a automatic right to use it without it not voiding it
pale quartz
but it always is enabled
by BIOS manufacturers, which intel has no control over
hence the point, it still isn't covered
lunar dawn
by BIOS manufacturers, which intel has no control over
then why do they advertise all their cpu as 5.x ghz
if they cant reach that without turbo boost
pale quartz
because companies like advertising? why wouldn't they?
lunar dawn
because companies like advertising? why wouldn't they?
its form intel's forum and no it doesnt void warranty (answer from emplyee on comments)
only thing that can void it manual oc or auto oc from bios or even xmp i think
pale quartz
i mean ...
https://community.intel.com/t5/Processors/Does-Turbo-Boost-void-warr...
this is from 2014, I am not talking about turbo boost, I'm talking about turbo boost max 3.0, these are very different things
TB only boosts within stable frequencies, 3.0 explicitly boosts outside this range
Intel's warranty themselves:
• any Product which has been modified or operated outside of Intel’s publicly available specifications, including where clock frequencies or voltages
have been altered, or where the original identification markings have been removed, altered or obliterated. Intel assumes no responsibility that the
Product, including if used with altered clock frequencies or voltages, will be fit for any particular purpose and will not cause any damage or injury.
quick locust
Injury lol
pale quartz
burn yourself
lunar dawn
this is from 2014, I am not talking about turbo boost, I'm talking about turbo b...
but turbo boost max is the replacement for old turbo boost algorithm isnt it
lunar dawn
no, it's not, they both operate independently
i mean all i found on google and intel forums is that even 3.0 is enabked by default and not considered oc
pale quartz
TBM is explicitly designed to boost for single core performance, and that's it at all costs, TB itself is designed as a dynamic scalar to improve both multicore and single core results rather than just raw throughput of single core
lunar dawn
i mean all i found on google and intel forums is that even 3.0 is enabked by def...
and im saying this, intel emplyees on intel forums are saying this
pale quartz
it is considered overclocking, because it well quite literally is overclocking lol, and yeah the employees will say it's not because there is no realistic scenario where you're going to get it turned down by an RMA, but it still isn't covered by the warranty
different contexts, different answers
it's why they say "simple answer no", because it's not as simple as they're making it out
lunar dawn
it is considered overclocking, because it well quite literally is overclocking l...
then why even care if you can still ask for an rma
i mean simple answer no is the best answer imo
pale quartz
you shouldn't care, the original point was explicitly dealing with locked parts vs unlocked, rather than the RMA itself
this was a secondary level discussion and not relevant to why it was mentioned
lunar dawn
you shouldn't care, the original point was explicitly dealing with locked parts ...
anyway you can oc both locked and unlocked
iirc thats what the original argument was about
pale quartz
no you can't, bclk overclocking is an oversight by intel and will be patched out by future BIOS releases
lunar dawn
no you can't, bclk overclocking is an oversight by intel and will be patched out...
you flash a modded bios ...
i mean if you really want to you can oc
pale quartz
you're endorsing flashing a modded bios? yeah nobody with half a brain will go anywhere near that
like whatsoever
lunar dawn
you're endorsing flashing a modded bios? yeah nobody with half a brain will go a...
lol i did it enable xmp on my laptop
using 3200mhz cl 14 ram
like i said if you really want to you can do it
pale quartz
yeah you can do anything if you're determined to, it doesn't make it an appropriate solution
lunar dawn
yeah you can do anything if you're determined to, it doesn't make it an appropri...
i know
blck oc example
pale quartz
yeah intel has already said this was an oversight in the microcode, it will be patched out later on
lunar dawn
yeah intel has already said this was an oversight in the microcode, it will be p...
i know but there are people that mod the latest bios anyway
pale quartz
and no regular user is going to flash a modded bios, if they are they are not bright
lunar dawn
like i did, i didnt mod that much but i modded an hp bios
pale quartz
please try to understand context for this
lunar dawn
i mean yes you re right
the average user will never to do
hell the average user probably wont even update the bios
pale quartz
it's why you need to stick by chipset limitations, like yeah ok you can bclk locked ADL chips at current, but it won't be for long and it's not an official solution supported by intel themselves either
it's like saying just unlock the firmware on old 2011 chips to overclock them, it works, but it doesn't mean regular users should go anywhere near it
lunar dawn
it's like saying just unlock the firmware on old 2011 chips to overclock them, i...
indeed
pale quartz
.. not that anyone should be running 2011 chips tbh at this point, and if you are enjoy getting compromised
eager sun
you flash a modded bios ...
Why would you even flash a modded bios. Just stay on an „old“ version
quick locust
.. not that anyone should be running 2011 chips tbh at this point, and if you ar...
Universities and companies: cybersecurity? Never heard of her
At least a hotel chain here moved to chromeOS in under 48 hrs cause of constant ransomware
pale quartz
Universities and companies: cybersecurity? Never heard of her
must enjoy being spectres
quick locust
They'd have a meltdown if they had to spend more
lunar dawn
Why would you even flash a modded bios. Just stay on an „old“ version
some mobos dont have an old bios version with unlocked blck
i personally dont need it since i have a 9900ks on a z390, i only modded a bios to enable ram oc on my i7 8750h laptop
sacred dove
this was a secondary level discussion and not relevant to why it was mentioned
but overclocking was irrelevant in the first place. the cpu in question was going to be just fine for gaming for years to come regardless.
it's true. cpu a costing 3x more than cpu b would outlast cpu b.
that doesn't mean cpu b isn't just fine though.
pale quartz
it's true. cpu a costing 3x more than cpu b would outlast cpu b.
that doesn't m...
it is, when it's a 10400f lol, you're in fantasy land if you think that processor will last for "years to come"
like that's just total wishful and false thinking
mild bough
Gonna buy a new hard drive, ssd m.2 , how do i check if it is compatible with my motherboard?
got a msi b360i gaming pro ac (MS-7B31) motherboard
mild bough
Ah okay, what does the M.2 slot look like?
mild bough
is gen 3 ssd m.3?
prime jasper
Pcie 3.0, m.2 nvme
mild bough
so its so fucking slow lol
mild bough
yeah frfr
mild bough
is ssd 2.5 better than ssd m.2
lunar dawn
Having a ssd is so much better
keep in mind, a ssd can be as fast as you want but if you got a very very old cpu you re not gonna load that faster
lunar dawn
M.2 is better than the sata
i mean there m.2 2280 sata ssd
prime jasper
keep in mind, a ssd can be as fast as you want but if you got a very very old cp...
I know
mild bough
You think the Kingston NV1 NVMe M.2 SSD 500GB is good enough
lunar dawn
its that nvme is better than sata
mild bough
SSD Msata?
prime jasper
Get nvme ssd
lunar dawn
Get nvme ssd
but isnt that nvme
lunar dawn
You think the Kingston NV1 NVMe M.2 SSD 500GB is good enough
good nvmes i ve used in thr past
sn550 wester ditigal
crucial p5
samsung 970 evo plus
prime jasper
Like the samsung 980 pro ssds
I currently use the adata xpg sx8200 pro
Works fine
mild bough
fuck i cant send pictures
prime jasper
Its a gen 3 ssd tho
lunar dawn
Like the samsung 980 pro ssds
thing is unless you have pcie gen 4 thats kinda useless
if you a samsung nvme thats gen3 then i guess samsunf 970 evo plus
or crucial p5
or whatever else
prime jasper
thing is unless you have pcie gen 4 thats kinda useless
Yep i know
Ive got a gen 4 mobo
But the prices are just so damn high
So i went with a gen 3 ssd instead
sacred dove
like that's just total wishful and false thinking
do you think 3600 and 3700x will also be useless for gaming in a few years?
sacred dove
yeah the original question never specified high end AAA 4k gaming
which of course less than 1% of gamers care about at all
wet notch
what is Svive Halo?
looking for a new computer and the one im checking at has VGPU KIT for Svive Halo
does it just hold the gfx card in place?
quick locust
Vertical gpu?
Yeah just a mounting for it
I would be careful with clearance to glass side panel when doing that though with an air cooled gpu
quick locust
Yeah the vgpu kit is just to mount it vertically so the fans face the glass side
quick locust
I'd go adl if you can
wet notch
dont think i can get a 12th gen cpu on this one
supple bane
Ram could do with being faster. Never heard of the case and only 2 fans isn't great
Could do with more
sacred dove
true but i'd probably cheap out on everything but the gpu at this point given in like 4 years i'd be building a 64GB ddr5 system around a 30 series anyway. 3060 non-ti will still be gaming fine with dlss and 12GB.
can't imagine what the 50 series will go for 🙃
storm osprey
worried about getting too many fans
if you get pwm fans the more you get, with good airflow, the quieter it will be
assuming you get good fans as well (artic p12)
storm osprey
thats where im at, i got 11 and none of them go above 900 rpm and everything is really cool
wintry prairie
Why not?
6 are on my 360 x 2 Rads
wet notch
im looking for a pre-built comp and they all just got like 1-2 big ones
literally ALL of them lol
wintry prairie
😩
pale quartz
yeah the original question never specified high end AAA 4k gaming
"4k", this is a battlefield server
wet notch
i found one that costs like 5400 euros
it had 3
obviously i wont get an expensive comp like that but still
pale quartz
and yes that combination will not be compatible for playing future battlefield titles in the future
quick locust
if you get pwm fans the more you get, with good airflow, the quieter it will be
You can adjust dc fans as well
pale quartz
adequately, anyways
quick locust
Just don't put them in pwm mode lol
sacred dove
and yes that combination will not be compatible for playing future battlefield t...
future bf titles? pretty optimistic don't you think
quick locust
Ram could do with being faster. Never heard of the case and only 2 fans isn't g...
Svive is mostly scandinavian budget brand
Owned by Komplett
sacred dove
need an example? just look at 2042
probably the first mainline bf title i skipped in 20 years, yeah. a game rumored to go fp2
pale quartz
https://youtube.com/shorts/klmBTGQUkbM?feature=share
I think Linux users are crying in their sleep currently at the global rootkit that got discovered
quick locust
probably the first mainline bf title i skipped in 20 years, yeah. a game rumored...
You think next one would be easier to run? Lol
sacred dove
You think next one would be easier to run? Lol
i think the next one won't exist
quick locust
It's EA
sacred dove
battlefront hours
quick locust
<a:kekwatching:700013284207886468> I think Linux users are crying in their sleep...
Only old kernels
sacred dove
it's already being worked on
means nothing at all in game dev, as everyone should well know
quick locust
It takes years
pale quartz
Only old kernels
filesystem actually rather than the kernel
sacred dove
It takes years
games frequently get washed years into development
happens all the time
pale quartz
yeah EA are just going to cancel one of their biggest franchises of all time years into development
I want what you're smoking
quick locust
I don't, too strong
sacred dove
i'm straightedge tyvm💅🏾
pale quartz
I don't, too strong
need to be taking some Alex Jones level drug to come up with this
lunar dawn
my current one has two and its loud AF
there are good quality fans that are quiet
i have 12 fans
sacred dove
i wonder how the extremely popular battlefront series is doing...
sacred dove
so why no battlefront 3?
proud trellis
tbf i liked battlefront 2
pale quartz
because jedi fallen order was already being worked on
why are they going to develop a competing star wars title lol
pale quartz
...
pale quartz
yeah.. a game that isn't developed by EA, is competing with an EA game..?
sacred dove
the insinuation that star wars single player titles compete with battlefront but that battlefield doesn't compete with battlefront is really weak m8
not to mention Rogue Squadron
or whatever the new one is called
which was in development alongside fallen order
pale quartz
yeah, the point being no EA title being developed in house has ever competed with a star wars developed title lol
because it has no reason to, doing that is stupid
multi billion dollar companies aren't stupid
sacred dove
yeah, the point being no EA title being developed in house has ever competed wit...
you mean published by EA?