technology

[toxic wigeon]

I dunno the general standard

[pale quartz]

CL163200 is equivalent to the now released bin's on DDR5

CL163600, doesn't exist in performance class for DDR5 (yet) in any meaningful quantity

[toxic wigeon]

Ahhh

[pale quartz]

"MSRP" are simply manufacturer recommended prices, they don't apply to general consumers

there's no law saying they need to exist, it's simply price guidance for AIBs to implement for factoring in price categories that they need for their costs on their end

other way round, ryzen 6000 was never skipped, Zen 2 was AMDs first major entry into the mobile SOC market for laptops blah blah which is why the naming rule got segmented, simple rule is +2 from each generation from 3000 is the desktop platform, which they've stuck by, ryzen 6000 is the Zen 3 equivalent for laptops

+2 for each generation on the desktop side and +1 for the architecture on the laptops is how their naming convention works

ryzen 9000 will be Zen 5 blah blah

yes, but rates of 7000 doesn't matter on DDR4, literally, the key architecture change of moving away from synchronous executions rates is highly critical to DDR5 over DDR4 for speeds as fast as that, the reason that performance flatlines, and even, gets worse on DDR4 at exceptional clocks is because you are bottlenecked on a hardware level

so the future proofing argument is actually, technically true on DDR5, you are much better off buying some cheapo kit (cheap by scalper prices) of DDR5 than some super heavily binned version of ddr4

[toxic wigeon]

I think I might just skip this gen and wait for everything to become cheaper

[pale quartz]

you'll be waiting a while

[toxic wigeon]

I can wait.

[pale quartz]

a year?

[toxic wigeon]

Yes. Though I'm aware things won't settle that quickly and easily

[pale quartz]

ehh it's not that straightforward

in the way you're thinking

prices right now are actually not that half bad in terms of hardware shortage rates compared to history, waiting for the next generation means you are paying higher scalped prices next year

[toxic wigeon]

I do wonder when the shortage will end

Or alleviate

[pale quartz]

not anytime soon, in terms of product development

next generation will be even worse than now

[latent light]

RTX 4080 will be scalped worse than the 3080 and in lower supply

[pale quartz]

people waiting for a shortage to stop are hoping for a dream, it's not ending anytime soon

or being alleviated

[toxic wigeon]

What's the primary reason for the shortage? Just covid?

[pale quartz]

it isn't in AMDs or nvidias interest for it to end, and they will do what they can to ensure it can continue

[latent light]

Crypto mining is still in too high of demand for prices to come down

[pale quartz]

no

Covid has near nothing to do with the shortage minus some mediocre product shortages like MOSFETs and neither does mining

miners make up a tiny category of all GPUs sold and nothing has changed from that

it's to do with supply wafer capacity shortages at TSMC for node demand and it's getting worse not better

[latent light]

Gamers buy only 1 GPU, miners buy thousands

[pale quartz]

they don't buy thousands, this is a misconception

the majority of miners are actually small time miners

aka, regular people

they make up the majority of contributions on the Blockchain and high scale operations have always been tiny in terms of their capacity

it is little to no difference in terms of tens of millions of supply per year

[latent light]

GPU production is so much higher than previous years yet still in very low supply lmao

[pale quartz]

people blaming miners are looking for excuses to avoid where the real problem is, because things such as industry demand isn't something people can wrap their head around that easily

and it's not an easy answer either so just look where the nearest second best excuse is, convenient for right now it's miners

[toxic wigeon]

Guess in that same term scalpers too

[pale quartz]

well scalpers are a problem, but what people don't think about is that the majority of scalpers are again regular people

me and you, because nobody wants to admit they themselves would like to take advantage for their own profit from such a situation

[latent light]

Human nature is selfishness

[toxic wigeon]

Just out right ridiculous that these people can hoard these things

[pale quartz]

not a new problem

[toxic wigeon]

Do amd cards get scalped just as badly?

[pale quartz]

has happened literally every single generation

[toxic wigeon]

Oh for sure

New console gen, new whatever gen

[pale quartz]

ehh not as bad as Nvidia

[latent light]

AMD GPUs are in low production because gaming consoles and CPUs are higher priority

[pale quartz]

because the PC market has been indoctrinated for years into this false narrative of Nvidia good AMD bad bs

and still is

[toxic wigeon]

Well good for people like you then!

[latent light]

Nvidia mindshare will never go away

Intel's did tho

Thanks to Ryzen

[pale quartz]

cracking a nut like Nvidia is much more difficult than intel

people aren't smart and the false majority belief penetrates much worse than intel

mostly because the GPU market has been dominated much longer than the CPU market

[latent light]

Nvidia is extremely difficult to compete against since they rule the datacenter

That's their most profitable market

[toxic wigeon]

Hopefully Intel will catch up but considering due to how innefficient they are I doubt they'd do soon

[pale quartz]

eh Intel's problems are self inflicted they will always suffer from this until 2025

up to that point it's AMDs gain

[latent light]

AMD literally depended on a loan from Ferrari to build themselves back up

[toxic wigeon]

If they simply didn't suck so much power up would you be a bit more serious about them?

[pale quartz]

it's not that simple

[toxic wigeon]

Or is it more than that

[pale quartz]

they can't simply just not suck more power up

to do that they need to willingly give up pursuing things like higher clock speeds and at the same time give up gains in the gaming market

Intel's power problems today were predicted over a decade ago now, people wonder why it happens, it isn't that difficult to figure out

[toxic wigeon]

Guess it's a thing where you gotta keep going otherwise you fizzle out

[pale quartz]

it's a microarchitecture level problem

Intel's microarchitecture is built on skylake, and has been more or less the exact same for over 15 years

it was never designed for this type of scalability because the core series when it came out didn't require it

wind back time intel dominated in performance because the core series architecture was great, it's why AMD excel today because the Zen architecture was built from scratch

[toxic wigeon]

A fresh start, I heard pentium didn't do so great

But im not 100% sure

[pale quartz]

Pentium was mediocre, was never Intel's main focus either

happens to be a lot of intel nowadays

and they're still using that microarchitecture, and will be till 2025

[toxic wigeon]

I got pentium and phenom mixed up -.-

[pale quartz]

phenom was a straight failure

Pentium was helped by the laptop market, it had that at least

[latent light]

Lunar Lake is new microarch?

[pale quartz]

no royal core

LL is after RPL

[toxic wigeon]

Haha phenom 2 go brr lol. So intel requires a new motherboard every what, 4 years?

[latent light]

I thought it was Alder, Raptor, Meteor and Lunar

[pale quartz]

it is

after lunar lake is royal core

[latent light]

So Ryzen 10000 competitor

[pale quartz]

9000

[pale quartz]

every year pretty much

it isn't like AMD where you can scale performance linearly with efficiency so can use the same socket

[latent light]

Zen 5 is 8000 series in 2023, Zen 5+ or Zen 6 is 9000 series in 2024

[pale quartz]

Intel's power consumption is entirely unpredictable (core series plagues it)

[toxic wigeon]

Every year wtf

[pale quartz]

Zen 5 is ryzen 9000, 8000 is Zen 4 for laptops

[toxic wigeon]

Zen 6, Zen 7, etc

[latent light]

Zen 5 will face Meteor-Lake

[toxic wigeon]

What's the weakness with these am series cards?

Or, what does Intel do better

[pale quartz]

something they "did" do better was with the monolithic die

but that's going away, has already

[toxic wigeon]

What is that?

[pale quartz]

it's how the CPU is manufactured

ryzen uses a process called chiplets for their design and intel (used) essentially one massive die to create the chip

but it's prohibitively expensive and costly so intel are moving over to the same approach

[latent light]

Power limits of Zen 4 are much higher than previous gens, might see comparable power draw to Intel

[pale quartz]

they can do that, the architecture allows for it

intel cannot they tried already

[toxic wigeon]

Theyre copying it in due of convenience alright, but how did mono do so well?

What did it do so well

[pale quartz]

monolithic wasn't a new concept

[toxic wigeon]

I hope you don't mind these questions

[pale quartz]

every manufacturer did it, it was the conventional approach to hardware design

well, old approach, now

Nvidia AMD intel etc all used it

the problem is monolithic on new nodes is exceptionally expensive because of the failure rate that they have

[toxic wigeon]

Ahh got it

[pale quartz]

think of it this way, it's like buying a piece of concrete trying to find gold inside it, but the only thing you're wanting is the gold

and the newer type of concrete has less gold

and the newer concrete is more expensive than the last, you see the problem

[toxic wigeon]

Yea

Im curious to see how hot these new amd CPUs will run as the mention of power earlier

[latent light]

RX 6500XT aka Navi 24 is on 6nm because a small chip on a newer node will have much better yields than a larger chip

[pale quartz]

thermals isn't nearly as much of a problem for AMD compared to intel

their chiplet design means they can allow for these types of high heat with no issue (which is why ryzen excels at higher than "normal" voltages)

Intel's problem is because the chip is more condensed there is little to no room for high concentrations of heat (because it will fail literally)

[toxic wigeon]

When I did research for the 5800x I was really scared due to how hot it ran and what a good fan was for it

But... yeah

[pale quartz]

what you're probably not aware of is the cores themselves are physically in different segments on ryzen

whereas they (were) on one location on intel

[toxic wigeon]

Its more even than concentrated

[pale quartz]

it's what CCX means, core complex

as in, a complex of cores together

ryzen uses a design of multiple CCXs to allow for the cores to communicate with each other, meaning each CCX has much more room for heat because they aren't all together in one place compared to Intel's CPU design

[quick locust]

intel does have tiled design but not on DT

yet

[pale quartz]

^

[quick locust]

kinda wish they didnt use tsmc for their gpus

[pale quartz]

Nvidia will move over aswell to a chiplet design aswell

[quick locust]

yeah

[pale quartz]

eh well Intel's node is garbage you put that inside a GPU you're going to get space heaters even worse than Nvidia

[quick locust]

their current is decent ish

just dont put it on 14nm oh god

lul

[pale quartz]

current compared to the closest second best being, Samsung

which, is like comparing a jaguar and lion in a race

[quick locust]

though i might win one

maybe

[pale quartz]

yeah TSMC is light years ahead of intel and Samsung it's pretty miserable, but it won't change for probably over even 5 years from now

[quick locust]

sadly

[latent light]

2nd gen Intel Arc GPUs will have chiplets and maybe even 3D stacking, comes out 1H 2023

Intel will release a new generation of GPUs every year, unlike AMD and Nvidia who do it every 2 years

[quick locust]

they removed q1 2022 from their website for arc

[latent light]

[pale quartz]

yeah I'm not expecting intel to release a new generation every year

it's an ambition, but it's basically not happening

[latent light]

Arc GPUs were originally planned for 2020 but that was a claim from 2019

[pale quartz]

precisely

unless they intend to paper launch each generation which that would be very stupid, that timeline for turnaround is a pipedream

it'll take them a few years at a minimum to get their driver stack right nevermind actual products coming out

[quick locust]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/381193783296917507/928324322894946314/45hg4g5hgtrvgtrv.png

bruh

naming

[latent light]

In 2019 Intel head GPU designer Raja even stated that Intel GPUs will tackle the mid-range at around the $200 mark in 2020

It's 2022 now

[pale quartz]

koduri has a history of over anticipating things people inside AMD hated him for it

[latent light]

Raja is probably blacklisted from Radeon

Although Vega wasn't really bad

In fact Vega was a big success for enterprise stuff

Vega is still used in CDNA

[pale quartz]

absolutely not

he didn't make vega

koduri was the brain child behind Navi, as much as the internal drama he made internally because he's a selfish person who was wanting to be the CEO of RTG, he's a great designer

he took a lot of shit because of his bs again over marketing of Vega as a Volta competitor, but he didn't make it

[latent light]

Vega 56 matches or beats GTX 1080 these days

I think the HBM2 in Vega is what made it futureproof because of memory bandwidth

[pale quartz]

eh it's that and Vega was ahead of its time, it's a PS3 situation of GPUs basically

the "fine wine AMD" trope was always true

[latent light]

HD 7970 proved that

[pale quartz]

AMD always had a problem of trying to engineer radical solutions to advance performance, and they did work, but they were never an intel or Nvidia in the market which could force it's adoption

which is why Vega was seen as a laughing stock, for years even

[latent light]

Vega was a joke because of pricing

[pale quartz]

the actual architecture is great, but they were proprietary solutions

good luck trying to get developers to turn them on when nobody used your GPUs to begin with

[latent light]

Vega 56 was priced like $70 higher than a GTX 1070 in 2017 and performed similar or worse while consuming a lot more power

Nowadays it performs a lot better

[pale quartz]

thank AMD realising they had to give a shit about their driver stack before 6000 hit the market

pretty much the entire development team got axed for their driver maintenance for incompetence

did the same thing with their marketing division aswell

[prisma anvil]

Bro, I mean clock almost near 7000 on DDR5

DDR5 Hynix Ic

[pale quartz]

oh gotcha

[prisma anvil]

Also intel power efficiency is better than zen3 for now. Zen4 will prob be better.

[prime jasper]

Is a Minigun always externally powered?If a rotary gun is not externally powered,isn't it a Minigun?Doesn't a Minigun use the same propellant as firearms?

[prisma anvil]

Hardware unbox tested the 12700 with 65w power limit and it beat 5800X in almost everything and tied it in gaming

[quick locust]

It's an electric motor that rotates it

Hence the huge battery they come with

Or vehicle mounts

[prisma anvil]

Ryzen uses tsmn 12nm IO with tsmc 7nm node. Intel uses Intel 10nm aka intel 7 (which is slightly denser than tsmc 7nm). Intel has surpassed Zen3 in power efficiency. This is why Intel is hyped about their 12th gen mobile chips.

[prime jasper]

@quick locust ah ok thanks for the informations,if I'm correct,Minigun is not a firearm and is always externally powered

[quick locust]

It is a firearm?

It's just the electric motor that rotates the assembly which makes it cycle

[pale quartz]

bit of an odd claim lol

it isn't for up for debate who's more efficient than the other, Zen is just more efficient clock for clock

[prisma anvil]

https://youtu.be/ydgN4W97Esk

Nope

[pale quartz]

and gaming performance is a total bad measurement for measuring efficiency

like absolutely terrible

[quick locust]

Ampere best for clock for clock efficiency

[prisma anvil]

Efficiency wise intel wins

Period

[pale quartz]

no, it's not

[prisma anvil]

12700

[pale quartz]

you've said this numerous times and it's just false

[prisma anvil]

It's not false lol

[quick locust]

Ampere does great in effiency

[prisma anvil]

Look at the benchmarks

[quick locust]

(Not nvidia's ampere but the company ampere)

[pale quartz]

perhaps actually find a way to measure efficiency

because gaming performance isn't measuring efficiency

[prisma anvil]

Did you look at the video at all?

[pale quartz]

yes I've seen HWUB's video of ADL lol

and had you paid attention PL limits is not how you test efficiency

especially not using a game

[latent light]

Gaming performance is actually the worst workload you can use to measure power draw

[pale quartz]

^

[quick locust]

Yeah

[prisma anvil]

Yeah but 12700 best 5800x in non gaming as well

I wasn't talking about gaming

Yall literally didn't watch the video

[latent light]

[prisma anvil]

It literally yeeted a 5800X in cinebench at 65W

[latent light]

12700 has more cores too

[prisma anvil]

Please stop comparing to a PL2 unlocked chip to zen3 for efficiency

Laughable

[pale quartz]

not sure if you actually paid attention for how CPU efficiency is measured by IPC lol

because this isn't it

total fantasy you're conjuring up

[prisma anvil]

Did you watch the video?

When did I compare it to IPC?

[pale quartz]

.. I'm literally in HWUB's discord lol

does that answer the question?

[pale quartz]

because that's how you measure CPU efficiency per clock

not PL stages

[quick locust]

That's where Ampere does pretty good

Better than Epyc

Although lower clocks in normal use

[latent light]

Stock vs stock, core vs core, an Alder-Lake P-core will draw more than 2x the power of a Zen 3 core

[pale quartz]

yeah this isn't up for dispute

and anyone measuring 'CPU efficiency' on power targets has 0 clue how efficiency is measured to begin with

[latent light]

Zen's only disadvantage in efficiency is the I/O die consumes more power than Intel's I/O

That's only it

[pale quartz]

yeah unfortunately IF massive heat with constant communication

[prisma anvil]

I'm confused then how did a 65W 12700 can go win a 5800X with 105W

[pale quartz]

because you totally misunderstand how efficiency on a CPU is measured

frame rate has nothing to do with it PL targets are entirely arbitrary and have no influence on how efficient a core is

[prisma anvil]

I wasn't talking about gaming

[versed egret]

hello guys im not able to connect my ps4 controller to the game, idk what im doing wrong everything seems to work trough steam bigger picture on other games, just as i sart battlefiels 2042 the controller won't react

[pale quartz]

yeah, I know, replace frame rate with x other application

it's the same thing

[prisma anvil]

I mean isn't real life power efficiency doing the most task with the least power?

[pale quartz]

that doesn't matter

"real life" power efficiency is entirely subjective and entirely why you do not measure things based on nothing

there are objective standards to these things and it's why they are used

[prisma anvil]

So you are saying at the same clock speed a 5600x is more power efficient than 12600k

[pale quartz]

yes

[prisma anvil]

OK I'll test that next week

[pale quartz]

well, I don't know

[quick locust]

Yeah it is

[pale quartz]

but yeah it will be

[prisma anvil]

I'll pin both cpu at the same clock speed

I'll disable the e core as well

[latent light]

Test 5600X vs 12600K both at 4 GHz all-core fixed

[prisma anvil]

Then I'll static oc both chips on the verge of stability

Then I'll do cb r23

[prisma anvil]

Sure. Next week

You guys are actually jokes. Yall think a 12700 at 65w have higher clock speed than a 5800X at 105W

[quick locust]

?

[latent light]

Higher single-core boost maybe

[prisma anvil]

Like I don't see in anyway intel is less power efficient. After testing zen3 alot.

I've 5950X unleashed without power limit.

[pale quartz]

..?

why do you keep bringing up power targets? we are talking about core efficiency?

[prisma anvil]

Because you keep comparing a k series sku with PL

U never showed me anything that proves zen3 being more power efficient at the same clock speed.

[pale quartz]

no, we've told you 5 times now, that core for core, clock for clock, Zen 3 is more efficient than ADL

[prisma anvil]

Where is the proof?

[pale quartz]

have you even listened? unlocking it has nothing to do with it

[prisma anvil]

Show me.

Or you are waiting for me to test it myself.

[prisma anvil]

OK. Show me then.

[pale quartz]

test it yourself lol, I showed you integer clock speeds last time, and you refused to listen

so you can see for yourself

[prisma anvil]

Can you tag it?

You told me integer clockspeed last time. I remember

[pale quartz]

you remember this chart right?

you think ADL is 2x more efficient than 11th? yeah, even intel, never claimed that

[latent light]

Ryzen 6000 hitting 5 GHz in laptops is pretty exciting

[pale quartz]

ryzen core efficiency has always been a bloodbath with intel, to claim otherwise is laughable to be quite honest

this is Zen 2 aswell

[prisma anvil]

Which website is that I wanna read the thing

[quick locust]

Wish there were more zen laptops though

[prisma anvil]

Alright @pale quartz what's the test method you want me to do

Static oc both 5600X and 12600k (e cores disabled) at 4ghz on the verge of R23 stability.

Look at both power consumption and score.

Sounds fair?

[latent light]

Ryzen 6000 laptops are way more efficient than 5000 series, better optimized power usage, claiming that laptops will have up to 70% better battery life

[prisma anvil]

And zen3 is a bloodbath to intel in power efficiency tsmc 7nm vs intel 14nm no duh

But intel is on 10nm now, aka intel 7 that's slightly denser than tsmc 7nm

Use common sense.

[latent light]

Intel 10nm is closer to TSMC 6nm

[prisma anvil]

Amd laptop is about to be goated

Esp gpu wise

Light laptop esp

No way Nvidia can beat tsmc 6nm

[latent light]

Ryzen 6000 APUs in a <2 kg super ultrathin laptop will be in their own league

[prisma anvil]

Yeah

[latent light]

RDNA2 iGPU in the 6800U can hit 2.4 GHz boost within 15W power envelope

Best Vega iGPU can do 2.2 GHz with 45+W

[pale quartz]

not exactly sure you bothered listening to me for the last 6 times now

[prisma anvil]

No I believe you for now I just wanna test it myself.

[pale quartz]

it's pretty simple, measure it properly as I originally said, lock one core on each to a specific clock speed and measure single FP int consumption

youve now measured CPU core efficiency

[prisma anvil]

wait why single fp int consumption

[pale quartz]

because that's how core efficiency is measured

core, not cores

[prisma anvil]

Why do I care about single core efficiency.

[pale quartz]

because how much power is drawn on a single core is how you measure how efficient a core is lol

it doesn't matter if you care or not

[prisma anvil]

lol i never claimed core efficiency. I meant power efficiency of cpu

You keep talking about other stuff

[pale quartz]

the power efficiency of a CPU, is core efficiency

..

[prisma anvil]

Nvm u are a brick wall. LOL

I still respect you tho.

[pale quartz]

not sure if you know math, efficiency is a measurement of power, you measure a single core as the result is multiplicative to the the number of cores on a system

result*(insert number of cores)=total efficiency draw

[prisma anvil]

I care about cpu efficiency as a whole. Not one core lol. How a cpu act as one

[pale quartz]

then you've got a skewed view of what efficiency is

[prisma anvil]

LOL

I am just doing real life test. Not doing smth that being technical

[pale quartz]

that isn't a real life test

it's an arbitrary test that has no valid meaning to any conclusion

because there is no such thing as "whole CPU efficiency"

[prisma anvil]

Let's just stop

How's your day?

[pale quartz]

usual

[prisma anvil]

Nice.

[pale quartz]

I'll explain why your thinking is flawed, you need to measure single cores as no core on a processor is equal

[prisma anvil]

I've been without my desktop for 2 weeks now

Dude I just said let's stop

[pale quartz]

you need to aggregate the result, hence, one core

[prisma anvil]

Bruh how da f do I disable cores on 5600X

Wait actually

[prisma anvil]

I'll do cinebench R23 single core

My bad

Is that good?

I'll lock both cpu static oc at 4ghz on brink of stability

Do single core test.

Good?

[quick locust]

In your uefi

[pale quartz]

you need to measure power consumption, not the score

[prisma anvil]

Of course

I'll have hwinfo up

[pale quartz]

that wont work due to CPPC, youll have to turn off the cores

uefi as mentioned ^

[prisma anvil]

Did they test it like that?

[pale quartz]

yes

CPPC means different cores are called upon actively

[prisma anvil]

Idk about running windows with one core.

LOL

[pale quartz]

fun science experiment for a slideshow

[quick locust]

:P

[prisma anvil]

I'll just processor lasso

I ain't slideshowing

[pale quartz]

same problem

hwinfo will report entire power consumption, since, well, the other cores are running

[prisma anvil]

True.

Man this sounds too much work even for me lol

[quick locust]

Wonder how poorly my 8700K will compare

[pale quartz]

pretty much, its why core efficiency is rarely measured

[prisma anvil]

Very

[pale quartz]

cause its painstaking

[prisma anvil]

Very poor

What do you call doing more with less power consumption as a whole cpu?

[pale quartz]

how do you mean?

[prisma anvil]

Like how 65W 12700 beating 105W 5800X in benchmarks etc

As a whole cpu

[pale quartz]

eh, you can say its more powerful, i suppose, but thats variable on well a lot

the workload, ISA being used, what not

[prisma anvil]

Of course.

[pale quartz]

start getting into the territory of accelerators for that type of thing, which is ehh generally

[prisma anvil]

Eh I'll just listen to you I guess. Not sure if I want to go through the slideshow lol

[pale quartz]

core efficiency was done by nemes, he's sadistic enough to actually do these types of measurements

[prisma anvil]

But general use wise intel non k sku is still Hella power efficient

[pale quartz]

yeah theres no question ADL is power efficient for daily things

[prisma anvil]

Nemes more like memes

[pale quartz]

its just the cores themselves arent remotely close to zen for efficiency, architecture woes 101

had intel not dominated the market for nigh on 7 years perhaps things would be diff, but here we are

[quick locust]

Rip to people buying rkl

[prisma anvil]

I am mad at intel think 4 cores 4 thread is enough a long time ago

My friends 6600k struggling

[pale quartz]

you would have hated what they wanted to do, even just 4 years ago

intel's plan was to have 6 cores be the top of the line well in 2019

sounds crazy, by todays metrics

[prisma anvil]

Damn

[pale quartz]

yeah pretty much what happens when one company dominates an industry for, well, over half a decade

[prisma anvil]

I love competition.

[pale quartz]

when ryzen 1000 arrived they were already preparing developer migrations for 6 cores to be the premium product

8 cores was to be the highest by 2021, of course with HT segregation

[prisma anvil]

Skylake was REALLY ahead

Holy.

[prisma anvil]

RKL is sooo bad

Tuned a guys 11700k can't even stable 4.6ghz all core

[pale quartz]

yeah intel would prefer RKL to never had existed

somehow it was a worse situation than even bulldozer

[prisma anvil]

Like my friends PC company skipped RKL

As they should

Hey its great for avx512🤣

[pale quartz]

its a shame RKL was never supposed to be a bad processor aswell

11900k was supposed to be a 10c/20t zen 2 competitor

but instead we got, well, the monstrosity that it was

[prisma anvil]

11900k with 10 cores on 10nm would be great

Yeah intel's 14nm to 10nm jump was too big

[pale quartz]

was actually the reverse

11900k was built for 10nm

its why its such a god awful product, it had to be backported to 14nm

[prisma anvil]

I know.

[pale quartz]

oh gotcha

[prisma anvil]

I saw the die density graph

I was like wtf intel

[pale quartz]

fact a 12400 beats a 8 core processor is.. yikes enough

[prisma anvil]

Knowing my friend's 12600k with xmp 3600 cl14 xmp will beat my 10850k with 4000 cl15 manual tuned sucks LOL

[supple bane]

kinda the way the world works

the 12600k will be just as obsolete in 12 months

[prisma anvil]

I won't say obsolete. It will still be good. Just not the best haha.

[supple bane]

well no of course it will still be good.

but the "13600k" or what ever amd has will be faster for the same price. or the "13400f will be the same for less. its obsolete because there is no point buying it anymore, not because its slow

the 10850k is still a killer cpu. but its obsolete

[prisma anvil]

True.

I think I'm going meteor lake

By that time hopefully the equivalent of Bdie comes for ddr5

[quick locust]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-6500-xt-is-limited-to-pcie-4-0-x4-interface

[autumn vector]

would the new 3050 be able to run bf2042 with a ryzen 7 2700x

[quick locust]

no idea, it isnt out yet

[autumn vector]

oh yeah it isn’t

[cursive ermine]

most likely yes since in benchmarks shown by nvidia its twice better than 1650 lol

Guys what is a good cpu under 250$ to pair with rx 5500 xt

[stark glacier]

Intel i3 9100F is good budget pair

[quick locust]

No

You can get much better than 9100F

[eager whale]

What price is the i5 12th gen?

Alright a bit over budget

[stark glacier]

Yes but it will likely be bottlenecked by the gpu

[quick locust]

not so much in 2042 and similiar games

[humble iris]

There are some laws to it, but yeah it doesn't apply on a consumer level, just manufacturer and retailer. The manufacturer can actually take action against a retailer for selling lower or higher then MSRP. Too bad theses scalpers aren't being punished, and right now Manufacturers probably liking the situation. It's not an enforcement its an option to protect Manufacturers.

[latent light]

"I don’t have an exact number of years but I would say that you should expect that AM5 will be a long-lived platform as AM4 has been. I think we’re expecting AM4 to stay in the marketplace for quite some years and it will be sort of an overlapping type of thing.”
— Dr. Lisa Su

Zen 3D may not be the last products for AM4

Zen 4 isn't gonna be on AM4 obviously

Perhaps there will be a Zen 3D+ with 6nm cores and 3D cache

[digital hill]

I kinda don't understand what does 3d cache do I'm a bit lost with that?

[humble iris]

Basically more cache

[raw turtle]

So 3D stacked cache? Is that all?

[humble iris]

Yeah it's stacked L3 32MB L3 32MB L2 32MB

[hushed eagle]

Alrighty I am wondering if anyone else has or had the same issue? My fps just in the main screen drops insane amounts and is making the game unplayable. This only occurred after the big update any fixes? Bf2042

[humble iris]

Is it in Multiplayer 128?

[hushed eagle]

When the game is loaded up before the big update I had played just fine and now playing the game again from reinstalling it its worse than dog shizz

main screen is where it starts

[humble iris]

that main screen when the boat is cruising through the water?

[hushed eagle]

after that

[humble iris]

RTX Card?

[hushed eagle]

2080 super

[humble iris]

CPU?

[hushed eagle]

The only game have problems. AMD 3700x

[humble iris]

Try disabling Ray Tracing, and DLSS

[hushed eagle]

Im on default and those are not on

Cyberpunk I am able to use raytracing and Control ult edition what makes this game so special

[humble iris]

you getting about 120FPS in game?

[hushed eagle]

no it drops

big delay

[humble iris]

do you have any custom settings in NVCP

[hushed eagle]

no

[humble iris]

Geforce Experience?

[hushed eagle]

pulling it up now

[humble iris]

DSR factors might be ON

[hushed eagle]

What tab would that be in?

They are off actually.

[humble iris]

there are also DSR settings in game and in Nvidia control panel.

you can also increase the size of shader cache.

there are some windows settings as well that can cause issues.

under Windows Settings Gaming
Turn off game capture (Game DVR)
Turn ON Game Mode.

Windows Settings Display scroll to Graphics settings
Turn off Hardware-Accelerated GPU Scheduling
Variable Refresh On or Off might help.

.
Also make sure ShadowPlay is disabled in Geforce Experience

.
These are just recommendations.

[humble iris]

Deleting your old settings folder and starting from default might help.

[ionic seal]

i have a r5 3600 and it works really good

[supple bane]

12600kf is the same price and significantly faster

Buying old hardware is never a good idea

[toxic wigeon]

At this point I'm more afraid of getting the wrong power supply and it suddenly going up in flames

I know not to select giga but you know

[humble iris]

Facts. unless of course it's an insanely great price and gets you the performance you need, but yeah always buy the latest most powerful that you can, or you will be upgrading sooner then later..

[humble iris]

I've purchased maybe hundreds of power supplies over the years, and only had one failure & it was replaced under lifetime warranty which was an Ultra X3 1600 watt that just couldn't power 3 GTX 285's under load, the replacement is going stong after 12 years. never a fire or anything like that from any power supply. I have a few that have bad capacitors from being left plugged in for many years, but never a fire, or even smoke that I can remember of.

[toxic wigeon]

Fair enough

[humble iris]

but that one going around from newegg though

come to think of it, the ones with bad caps, are usually Dell, or cheap off brand.

[pale quartz]

that's pretty difficult to do

[humble iris]

I did purchase an HP used with a bad PSU, that I replaced

[pale quartz]

90% of one's are totally fine if you're concerned Corsair have the best reputation

others will work totally fine.. gigabyte, maybe not

[toxic wigeon]

How is the Corsair Rm850 v2?

[pale quartz]

very good I've got the rm850x

[humble iris]

Well I think it just had the Gigabyte name was manufactured by some other company

[toxic wigeon]

I'll certainly keep an eye on it, The other thing i'm so concerned about as well is it fitting into my desktop

I'm looking at the lian li II performance

But i should be fine

I should just stop stressing so much lmao

[humble iris]

I've used a quite a few Corsair PSU's even cheap ones, and all work fine

[pale quartz]

it did to an (extent) but gigabyte do have some custom modifications to the supply itself

[pale quartz]

will be totally fine for fitting lol

[humble iris]

that I didn't know

[pale quartz]

it's mostly nonsignificant additional VRMs most "impactful", to the extent that 2/3 additional ones are even that useful

[humble iris]

I even bought a buch of Bestec power supplies and work good on budget PCs

I wouldn't use one in a gaming rig though

I actually used one to power a GPU in a system for testing as a dual PSU temporarily as I didn't have a larger PSU on hand.

I have not used Gigabyte very much. never a Gigabyte PSU that I can remember

[pliant hornet]

Hi

I verify my game in steam

But 2 file failed to validate

[midnight crypt]

ok

[lunar dawn]

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

this might help

it was made by fans/community from ltt (the youtube channel)

[lunar dawn]

gigabyte psus are bombs basically

[lunar dawn]

then steam should redownload them

[pliant hornet]

Ok

[storm osprey]

@toxic wigeon yea just follow revans tier list and cross reference prices

[toxic wigeon]

Aye

[humble iris]

It's nice to see my current PSU on the list without any issues.
EVGA GQ 850W, upgraded 3 years ago from the earlier mentioned X3 1600w. No longer needed that much power. Also the B 600w I've been using quite a few cause I was getting them at a really good price. Still have 1 in stock.

[wintry wolf]

wut are your guys setup specs

just wondering

[quick locust]

8700K, 2080 ti

[wintry wolf]

ooh nice

i have r5 3600x, rtx 2060 super and 32gb ram

[verbal cliff]

Day trading moment

[vagrant narwhal]

Is this legit?

[verbal cliff]

Yea but idk why he’s promoting it here

[prime jasper]

wow nice setup

[wintry wolf]

holy cow nice

but i prefer nvidia ngl

[supple bane]

i can hear Deco's blood boiling from here

[raw turtle]

prefer nvidia? no. radeon better. you're not allowed to be entitled to opinion. your opinion is subject to termination EX 12.612 seconds.

[quick locust]

unicorn case

lol

[prime jasper]

Is a Molotov cocktail considered a kind of grenade?

[proud trellis]

well I'd say it is

[wet notch]

Yeah

a poor man's grenade anyway

[prime jasper]

Ah ok thanks guys

[solemn sage]

thrifty man’s*

[pulsar sentinel]

Scam

[humble iris]

Glad I don't use Wi-Fi in my PCs, only mobile devices

[humble iris]

Mine is

Intel i7 5930k (Just got a 6950X today)
Corsair 3200MHZ 32GBx4 (Quad Channel)
EVGA RTX 2080 XC2 Ultra (3 Slot) (Powerlink)
Samsung 970 Evo Plus NVMe 500GB (OS) 
Samsung 980 NVMe 1TB 
Western Digital SN750 EK 1TB
Samsung 850 Pro SATA
Western Digital Black 2TB
Western Digital Red 4TB 
Western Digital Blue 640GB
6 Western Digital Blacks 1TB x 6 RAID 0
Creative Soundblaster Z 

Maybe better to just look at my Build Log... or Rebuild log actually
https://builds.gg/builds/raid-red-rtx-ws-14981

I'm will be installing the 6950x this weekend, I need to clean my rad, and install new fans in the Corsair H110 (NO RGB NO iCUE)

[prisma anvil]

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/23800299

Mine

Got the 4 corsair screws for lga1700 finally.

Thanks Microcenter

[humble iris]

Damn nice score.

I just installed the new CPU, first time installed a new CPU, and got every device reinstalled, then have 1 Unknown Device in device manager, can't figure what it is, going to yank 13 drives, and install windows fresh and see if it's the CPU, or just my old os needs to be reinstalled.. I'll run Timespy once I get it figured out, I won't score as high as yours, but I expect I significant increase from old CPU.

[toxic wigeon]

Huh. Ryzen 5900x gold sample?

Is that just an internal thing?

[latent light]

https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-rx-6500-xt-worse-than-rx-480/

RX 480/580 still goated for value

[prisma anvil]

You can use ryzen master to see what kind of sample you have.

Plat gold sliver so forth

[toxic wigeon]

What's different between them

[prisma anvil]

Oh, just silicone lottery. It roughly gives you an idea how it will overclock.

It's like the SP aka silicone prediction on higher tier Asus motherboard for Intel.

[humble iris]

Does anyone have experience with Intel Turboboost Technology
Intel States you do not need to install any software that its built in and automatic, can be Enabled/Disabled in BIOS.

My issue is that I get a Unknown Device in device manager if I do not install Intel Turbo Boost Technology 3.0.
Any Ideas?

[pulsar sentinel]

Anyone tried 2042 on the Windows build of Mesa?

The open source graphic driver.

[humble iris]

Well I uninstalled the turboboost software, and manually installed the driver. will see if it will boost now

[prime jasper]

hello to all my friends my card is gtx860m 4gb when i enter the game the main picture comes and the game freezes my system has 16gb ram i7 4 generation can it be a system error

when i connect it later, my video card is not up to date, can it be because bf5 plays very easily gtx860m 4gb

[humble iris]

Okay so the 6950X I got as a Blem/Scratch etc on Ebay works perfectly, and passes intel CPU Ident as Genuine. At stock 3.0GHZ It exceeds the 5930K @4.5GHZ in almost everything except Fire Strike. https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/26952505/fs/26885993 It nearly doubles the Cinebench R20 score.

Now to test BF2042

[quick locust]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/01/google-loses-sonos-patent-case-starts-stripping-functionality-from-speakers/

[humble iris]

Mouse Lag real bad !!!

What Happened

[midnight crypt]

battlefield happened

[raw turtle]

Can you tell me what this is? I’m curious

[true panther]

I need some help. BF2042 keeps starting up in setup mode as if I'm playing the game for the first time. I'm on pc, have already allowed firewall access and restarted my computer but I keep being brought to the initial setup mode.

[midnight crypt]

ok

[lunar dawn]

its a known bug you can backup your settings from documents/bf2042/settings and copy those files

happened to me many times now i simply replace the files with the backup i made when it happens

[nimble oriole]

if there is anyone familiar with being on pc but playing with controllers can you please pm me. i juat got a new controller and it works fine with every other game i have but 2042. just looking for help. thank you

[wintry wolf]

do you guys think i should upgrade my 2060 super

i wanna wait for 4080

[wintry wolf]

?

[deft crow]

Sorry thought i was in general

U saw nothing

https://tenor.com/view/fizzer1k-5597-3689-move-along-nothing-to-seehere-gif-12353147

[toxic wigeon]

Wait for a better gpu

[inland goblet]

Wonder how long it would take for a 4080 to be out of stock

[humble iris]

It's already out of stock! lol.

[latent light]

RTX 4000 series supply will be lower than 3000 series and will be in higher demand too

[marsh gull]

just perfect

[quick locust]

https://tenor.com/view/walking-dead-crying-no-more-stock-out-of-stock-gif-16608914

[proud trellis]

ffs

i want to upgrade when 4000 series comes out aswell

gonna need a loan from a bank to build a pc at this rate

[quick locust]

There's some stock here of gpus in retail

But expensive

Easier to get than Ps5s though which has always been nonexistent

[coarse nimbus]

lol do the manufactures even care at this point?

wonder what the profit margin is for these newer gpus, would seem like the price increase on the consumer is going up faster than the manufactures cost

https://tenor.com/view/money-breaking-bad-sleep-on-money-lay-on-money-money-pile-gif-5382667

basically what theyre doing while people are pissed "we dont have any stock to buy from"

[toxic wigeon]

Its the most convenient and this is the perfect time for that unfort

[quick locust]

They sell anything they produce

Though they can't increase it that fast, takes long to expand production

[raw turtle]

I thought that 5nm would be in better stock than the 7nm process with samsung?

[quick locust]

https://twitter.com/R_I_C_M/status/1480216885476175874

RI Computer Museum (@R_I_C_M)

After many hours of debugging we have our DEC PDP-9 running the ADSS Monitor (Operating System) again. As far as we know it is the only running PDP-9 on the planet.

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Twitter · Jan 9, 2022, 4:36 PM

[loud sphinx]

Samsung 28-in Odyssey G70A UHD 3840x2160 144Hz Gaming Monitor LS28AG700NNXZA

I have an Xbox Series X

[latent light]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ryzen-9-5950x-5ghz-a320-motherboard

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-6000-rembrandt-in-am5-for-desktop-pcs-ddr5-pricing-impacts-release-date

DDR5 only because they don't want you to pair the iGPU with DDR4 bandwidth it would probably be only 15% faster than Vega iGPU if it was DDR4

[humble iris]

How much chat before you can post pics?

[wintry wolf]

lower as in price, or lower performance?

or production?

[humble iris]

All I know is I want this possible scenario which is about a year or less away.

  Intel 13-Series X 56-core/112-thread CPU
  8 channel DDR5 Memory
  112 lanes of PCIe 5.0``` 
Hopefully will have the K model HEDT or cheaper workstation CPUs

https://wccftech.com/intel-sapphire-rapids-x-hedt-raptor-lake-mainstream-desktop-cpu-platforms-rumored-to-launch-in-q3-2022/

[digital hill]

Is it just for looks as a320 doesn't support oc

[latent light]

Doesn't need OC

[digital hill]

Oh

It's boosting to it?

[latent light]

Yes

[humble iris]

Also actual performance

[latent light]

5950X doesn't draw as much as you think

Not much more wattage and current draw than a R7 1700X but less than a 2700X

[humble iris]

Due to the age of 300 series motherboards, getting Ryzen 5000 to perform well is not an easy task. There are several blockers in place, including IRM definitions and current capabilities from the motherboards VRM -- which for most 300 series boards, is notably weaker than that of B550 and X570 boards. As a result, the boards can't deliver enough power to Ryzen 5000 chips to perform adequately on 500 series boards.

I mean I wouldn't be apposed to doing it, but only if I already had a 300 board, and could get a 5000 chip for a good deal

[latent light]

I have B350 board

[humble iris]

drops Bristol Ridge 7th Gen A-series and Athlon X4 series CPU support entirely to make that happen

[latent light]

If you're just gaming a 5950X wouldn't have problems on a A320 board but prolonged Aida64 or prime95 run, then you might risk blowing the VRM

[humble iris]

so as long as you don't have one of those cpus before flashing the bios

[latent light]

Wouldn't be surprised to see 5800X3D on 300 series boards

[humble iris]

yeah it should work seeing its just updated on chip cache

[humble iris]

I would say this $200 CPU is performing great, I can get another .5GHZ really easy, maybe go to 5GHZ on all cores. It's staying at or under 40c at load 4.0GHZ https://valid.x86.fr/bench/3na067/20

Beating a 5800X multithread. https://valid.x86.fr/bench/3na067/12

[lunar dawn]

is ot 4ghz all core?

i mean 4ghz all core at 40c is pretty good

i have a 9900ks 5.1ghz all cores and man that thing gets hot

[toxic wigeon]

Interesting, Though please speak English.

[cold fiber]

Sony wrong channel! My bad!

[toxic wigeon]

Haha its fine

[quick locust]

8 channel ddr5 boards are going to be nice

[eager sun]

at what load voltage ?

[lunar dawn]

honestly cant remember

[eager sun]

check -_-

[lunar dawn]

in school rn lol

[eager sun]

LOOOL

[supple bane]

The fact you have a 9900ks and are "in school" makes me sadge

[coarse nimbus]

Get a job smh

[eager sun]

does someone here have b560 and can tell me if it supports cpu overclocking ?

intel says no but then theres gigabyte showing off a 5.1ghz 11900k on b560

[analog ether]

Does anyone know when game chat is coming

[raw turtle]

nope

only ram overclocking

[lunar dawn]

i mean im 18 im not like 12

[lunar dawn]

is that oc or only normal single core boost

also the 560 only supports ram oc

[eager sun]

normal all core oc

[true panther]

Okay cool thank you so much

[latent light]

6500XT Navi 24 chip area is only 107mm^2

Smol

[quick locust]

https://youtu.be/fVjjSqfp75g

[humble iris]

I bumped it up to 4.3 and it got hot was hitting 64 max. Weird that only 300mhz and it wants a lot of power. Also it scored lower in Firestrike combined test, so it's not 100% stable 1.3v@4.3 so 4.0 is the max I want to take it.

This is both CPUs overclocked to the max. I would say fairly equal for this benchmark, but the 6950x has so much more advantage. You can see the differences in physics scores and graphics scores, totally different CPUs & it shows. https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/26964715/fs/26885993

5930k - 3100 Cinebench R20)```

[eager whale]

🇫

[lunar dawn]

64 max isnt bad

as long as its below 80-85 i d keep going

[midnight crypt]

remember 100c is still in spec

[lunar dawn]

well at 100c a cpu would probably power off or throttle

[eager sun]

can you check load voltage now xd ?

[lunar dawn]

ok its about 1.4v

1.39-1.40

on prime95

[eager sun]

do you survive cinebench ?

[lunar dawn]

yes

[eager sun]

(r15)

[lunar dawn]

lower voltage cant run 5.1

[lunar dawn]

i honestly use r23

but i think prime95 small ftts hits the cpu harder

tried lower voltage and it blue screened

lol

[eager sun]

whats power draw during a run ?

[lunar dawn]

250+ watts

even 260

[eager sun]

temps ? my cpu goes full sun mode on each core and instadies if i run cb or high power consumption prime95 setting

[lunar dawn]

max temp is like 80

with prime95

[eager sun]

cooler lmao ?

[lunar dawn]

420mm liquid freezer ii

honestly 80c with almost 300 watts isnt bad imo

[eager sun]

aio beating 2x360 + d5 apparently

[lunar dawn]

also liquid metal

thermal grizzly conductonaut

[eager sun]

i had a delidded 9900k direct die with lm didnt change anything, benchmark start -> instant 100C -> dead

[lunar dawn]

damn

mine doesnt hit 100 but i had to adjuct voltage and i will probably try 5.0 ghz all core at 1.3

[eager sun]

i have a really good cpu block but it cant do anything against the initial heat, i will test if its my cpu block on my brothers system later his block is a heatkiller iv pro

[lunar dawn]

also perhaps silicon lottery

and are you testing it with prime 95 wich uses avx

[eager sun]

2nd 9900k in a row that thinks its a sun

[eager sun]

nope

[lunar dawn]

prime95 small ffts is probably the most stressfull test for a cpu

and uses avx

it basically use 100% of the tdp

[eager sun]

i run 5.2ghz 1.42V idle and 1.37V load, i can run low power prime95 settings 150-200W and play games and stuff

but the second i run cinebench or idk blender no chance

[lunar dawn]

you should try the "small ffts" option on prime95 to really test your cooler

and also what paste do you use

[eager sun]

the "test" will result in instant death

kryonaut

[lunar dawn]

nah at max it will shut down or crash

[eager sun]

yeah thats what i mean with death xd

[lunar dawn]

lol

anyway i use liquid metal and also it probablt helps that i dont live in rhe middle of a desert

(its like 19c in my room)

[eager sun]

20C in my room as well

[lunar dawn]

you could try liquid metal i guess its like 5 times more thermally conductive than krynaut

that said ... you really need to put very very little

if you put too much you can fry the cpu or vrms

[eager sun]

i used lm on a delidded + direct die 9900k didnt do aynthing sure i might get a tiny bit better temps but that wont fix my cpu going full sun mode and crashing right away

[lunar dawn]

i knew that the 9900k was hot but alright also i have the 9900ks wich might be a better silicon

[eager sun]

i also cba cleaning my cooler again, polished it when i sold the delidded 9900k nickel plating still bad for lm

[lunar dawn]

when i got it was like 50 dollars more than normal k before well people started scalping it

[eager sun]

im sure they didnt change anything about the package still horrible for thermals

whats your max oc ?

[lunar dawn]

5.2 but it reached 95-96

[eager sun]

as i said mine is 5.2 "daily" minus cinebench and stupid hot prime 95

[lunar dawn]

and sometimes it can reach more and throttles

so i prefer 5.1 wich is safer

also because well if it runs cooler its probably gonna last longer

[eager sun]

yeah i would just ignore benchmark temps for daily though and take the +100mhz i mean thats exactly what i do i get like 70C during bf2042

at least if your really not running any programs that could lead to problems

[humble iris]

Oh 64 is very good, but a 24c difference in just 300mhz isn't worth it for me, I like 4GHZ at 40c much better, and the performance is wack at 4.3

[lunar dawn]

you know that even 80-85 is good right

and you can gain quite a bit of performance too

i d overclock until i hit 80c max

i mean like dude you cant damage your cpu at those temps

[humble iris]

yeah I know, but there is no real advantage other then benchmarking

[lunar dawn]

no ...

in some games there is a lot

like csgo

rainbow six

or cpu bounds games

and even battlefield 2042

if you re cpu bound

[humble iris]

my GPU is running 100% full boost, and cpu is at like 22%

[lunar dawn]

anyway it would still be better in general

for example csgo basically doesnt use gpu in 1080p

[humble iris]

stock clock is 3.0GHZ I think 4.0GHZ is plenty good

[lunar dawn]

i d go for 4.5

its a big difference

also what cooler do you have

and what cpu

[humble iris]

from what I have read, 4.3 is the max it will go

[lunar dawn]

like i have a i9 that runs at 85 max and its fine

[humble iris]

it's more of Workstation/Server CPU

[lunar dawn]

i mean ... you could try 4.4 worst thing it could happen is a blue screen

but alright lol

[lunar dawn]

like it uses almost 300 watts

at 5.1 ghz all cores

[humble iris]

if it was a mainstream cpu I would, but it's really not that type of cpu

it's more like a xeon

[lunar dawn]

well ... even a xeon can be overclock lol

i saw a threadripped overclock video on yt

[humble iris]

Absolutely

[lunar dawn]

thing was so fast

[humble iris]

which is why I did go 1.3GHZ over stock

[lunar dawn]

like almost 5 ghz

[lunar dawn]

i mean is the max boost speed 3ghz

[humble iris]

also its 14nm

[lunar dawn]

well same for my cpu

i9 9900ks

[humble iris]

max boost on 1 core is 4ghz

[lunar dawn]

so you set 4ghz all cores basically

[humble iris]

I did

it's a 6950x

[lunar dawn]

well ... thats not the biggest oc but alright

[lunar dawn]

i mean thats not a xeon at all thats like the k version of a cpu but with more cores afaik

[humble iris]

It's a worstation/server CPU, for X99/c216

it's not for z series

This board will take ecc memory and xeon CPUs

[lunar dawn]

still unlocked, anyway found some posts on reddit of some people pushing it to 4.7 at 1.3v

[humble iris]

yeah like 5 years ago?

[lunar dawn]

post was from 119d ago

[humble iris]

Well my motherboard is the X99 FTW first version X99, and I've been using it for 7 years

It's vital I don't break it right now, I use it for real business stuff

it's not a toy machine

But I get it

[humble iris]

The biggest problem was all the BIOS Updates since Spectre Meltdown caused some overclocks to fail, and performance drops

The most I would do is 4.3 @ 1.3 volts and call it good

[lunar dawn]

you can disable those protection in windows with a tool called inspectre

[humble iris]

Sounds like a good idea

"Hack The Gibson" lol..

That reminds, I think I looked at this before, and same line came to mind, other then Gibson Guitars. from the movie hacker "Hack The Gibson Computer"

I like how they only way to download a program that disables a protection code is from an untrusted download source.

actually there is a download link, my mind learned to block out banners from all the time on the pc from ad banners through 1999 and on. it looks like a 2000's banner ad

[latent light]

https://www.techpowerup.com/290751/amd-wanting-to-time-launch-of-am5-platform-with-ddr5-availability

[flat mica]

i just installed bf5 on the ea launcher and the play button isnt there its replaced by a loading button the games been loading for about an hour anyone know how to fix this

[plush nimbus]

@flat mica just delete and redownload i dunno

[humble iris]

I would say repair it, But I don't see that option in EA Desktop, But it does repair through Origin.

[placid hawk]

Bruh..

[lunar dawn]

honestly i disabled them especially because to create a spectre/meltdown virus you need a lot of time and effort and perhaps acces to the victims pc

more detailed post about what i just said https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/kp6b6i/how_bad_is_it_to_disable_specter_and_meltdown/ghvejbu/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3

[humble iris]

I feel the same way. It seems silly to think we have some valuable data on our little PC's

I get slammed on and chastised for running 6 HDD raid 0 array with L1 / L2 Cache, like saying if I lose 1 drive I lose all my data, and I'm like, same goes for your single disk setup.. lol.. the difference is what you put on it, and what you have backed up.. Super fast large budget reliable storage.

As far as the bios, you could just flash to an older bios and the performance and overclock back. which I have reverted to 2.02 from 2.08 to get higher scores.

I mean I'm only like 3000 points from world record firestrike score for my CPU.

which isnt really saying much.

[lunar dawn]

well if you disable the protection in windows you gain like 5-10% more perf

i tested this and i got a higher score on cinebench

[humble iris]

The kool thing is I have double bios, so I can actually run 2 different versions, which I usually run 1 stock, and 1 overclock, so I can run 2.02 or whatever before spectre/md and also I have other drives I run windows on, so like 2nd bios 2.02 with windows 10 InSpectrre

With just a flip of little dip switch

I set to Windows Mgr #2 as default boot drive.

so with PC off, flip bios switch, turn on PC, boom whole nuther experirnce

Why does reddit lock topics?, I hate that.

Man I lost my reddit login info.

[toxic wigeon]

The 3090ti reminds me of the titan gpus for some reason

[humble iris]

probably better then a titan at least price wise.

[lunar dawn]

but with a 450+ watts tdp

[quick locust]

it do be slow sometimes

[tranquil goblet]

Hi gamers wonder if yous can help, series x gamer and tried all ways to bring up the chat screen after the game, even tried to sign a button/trigger.. is there any problems what yous know of for xbox users

[midnight crypt]

ask the real ea support

[toxic wigeon]

Being honest, i've never heard of the Titan GPU's

I'd assume they were to some degree, Successful enough they made the Titan RTX.

[quick locust]

Titan is a bit of a weird place between HEDT and desktop

[lunar dawn]

tbf its a laptop "u" cpu

also it could be thermal throttling

[quick locust]

Nah just power

This cpu never gets hot

[lunar dawn]

what temp

[lunar dawn]

also you could probably increase power limit even if its a laptop cpu

not that you should but you probably can

[quick locust]

Nope

And 60C

[latent light]

https://videocardz.com/newz/french-retailer-confirms-geforce-rtx-3080-12gb-preorders-start-today

[pale quartz]

the 3090ti is actually worse than the titan cards

the titans are server class GPUs meaning Nvidia actually have to give a shit about power draw, which is why they're built on TSMC, not compared to your consumer class cards where you can skimp out for every bit of profit

[vital hornet]

@latent light do you use a news aggregator or are you going to all these sites by hand?
I appreciate you posting these articles btw

[latent light]

Ampere on TSMC N7 woulda been pretty damn good

[latent light]

Either on random tech servers or just news that pops up everytime I load google

[atomic jackal]

what does checking the ''disable windows path limit'' on qbittorent setup do?

will it harm my pc?

[eager sun]

windows has a 260 character limit for file paths and the setting disables that

[eager sun]

no

[atomic jackal]

should i enable or disable it?

[eager sun]

idk i dont use qbittorent

[quick locust]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-announces-dldsr-deep-learning-dynamic-super-resolution-coming-to-geforce-drivers-on-january-14th

[latent light]

Wish 2880x1620 resolution was more common in displays

They’ve partnered with reshade to add a ray tracing filter to all games

[latent light]

[quick locust]

yay, 3080+

[humble iris]

More like 3080T more ram same cores. nevermind you beat me to it.

Why can't they just concentrate on a damn GPU, and stop jacking around. They can't make enough of what they already have.

GT/GTS/GTX/+/++/Ultra

[latent light]

https://youtu.be/tS7lx5us1fg

[raw turtle]

so is it basically DSR but it uses less pixles for upscaling because it uses the AI?

still trying to figure out if this is a FPS jump or it just improves DSR FPS

[pale quartz]

no

the pixel count does not change, the processing time is reduced by this, that is all

it is not an "FPS jump", you need to use DSR to use it whatsoever

[humble iris]

Intel i3-12100F cheap AF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBDFCoGhZ4g

It's also already up on the PassMark site with 1 sample looking good for a $100 CPU. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i3-12100F-vs-Intel-i7-6950X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-3600-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5800X-vs-Intel-i9-12900K/4670vs2792vs3481vs3869vs4597

Single thread performance beating 5800x so far. but again only 1 sample vs 3330 samples.

[latent light]

Chinese exclusive i5-12490F up to 15% faster than 12400/12400F

[humble iris]

So can they ship them to other countries?

[prime jasper]

Couldn't a full auto PCP air rifle have been useful in the modern military with a projectile as deadly as a firearm's bullet?

[toxic wigeon]

Apparently Canon ships drm protection with its ink but because of the shortage they're forced not to with their ink.

[latent light]

https://youtu.be/rmXGwey1qHw

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah I figured to look that up just incase

[humble iris]

I quit using ink 10-12 years ago, went through thousands of dollars with Canon, HP, Lexmark, etc.. on ink and printers before realizing Ink Cartridges are literally and factually a scam. I started using Brother Laser Printers, and have had 0 issues in 10-12 years with 3 printers. and have saved so much money. Look up "Scam Ink Cartridges" and learn about, it's worth looking into I promise. https://youtu.be/AHX6tHdQGiQ

[humble iris]

6500XT (PCIe x4), not good for 3.0 maybe. 4.0 okay.

[supple steeple]

Anyone here able to help me with a weird issue

I'll cut to the chase

I can't find/enable image scaling despite having all the requirements for it

[idle dust]

how do those printers work without ink?

[humble iris]

Laser, some kind of powder IDK. All I know is they work always, and hardly ever need a cartridge. 100% reliable, and have never broke down. 2 B&W, and 1 color. no matter how long they set and not get used, they still work great.

The ink jet printers would always dry up, and clog or something, it's almost like I needed a new printer every time I printed something.
.

My wife prints up to 200-300 pages at a time, and they just keep going.

https://www.tonergiant.co.uk/blog/2016/12/how-laser-printers-work-ultimate-guide/
.
.

OMG I can't believe I never saw this video about the 30-Series Nvidia cards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq1MaRWmqhc

[prime jasper]

Ah ok thanks for the informations

[modern gull]

https://i.redd.it/bbllvh0xs9b81.jpg

[quick locust]

lol

[humble iris]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB-7t51_6uY

[full walrus]

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[humble iris]

I think you have to have some special role to embed pics and vids.

[full walrus]

no

[quick locust]

yes, booster and regular

[full walrus]

😱

[wintry prairie]

Exactly

[south rune]

Anyone got any advice on using a 4k monitor to game at 1440p? I have an rtx 2060 and able to set the monitor to 1440p via the scaling resolution option in nvidia control panel. Id like to read up more about it but most things i've found on the internet are a year old. Anyone have any information or websites i can look at?

[wintry prairie]

Out of curiosity, why do you not want to use native resolution?

[south rune]

More fps if i use it at a lower resolution.

I'm hoping

I tend not to use the 4k monitor for gaming, more for working on.

Just thought I'd experiment

[lunar dawn]

dlss?

nvidia nis?

or even amd fsr

[south rune]

Yes, this is what i was hoping to find more information on. I thought with all this new tech, 1440p on the 4k monitor would be doable

[lunar dawn]

you can

you can change resolution in nvidia control panel

[south rune]

Yeah i've done that and the monitors set at 1440p.

[lunar dawn]

or you can use 4k with dlls or nvidia nis

[south rune]

Ok, i plan to try them all and see which i like best.

[lunar dawn]

dlss is the best one

[south rune]

I'm assuming i then set the game to 1440p in its display settings

[lunar dawn]

try to play a game that supports it an use performace or balwnced mode

[lunar dawn]

i d try native res

then enable dlss

btw not wll games suppory it

[south rune]

So 2160p then put on dlss on balanced/quality/performance/ultra performance <--- which of those would you suggest.

[south rune]

BF2042 does

[lunar dawn]

try performance and check fps anf image quality

and find a balance beetwen those

[south rune]

ok will try. Going on your info i found a link titled 'Nvidia Image Scaling Analysis Versus FSR & DLSS' so i'll have a read

[lunar dawn]

dlss>fsr>nis

dlss can only be used on 20-30 series gpu

[south rune]

yeah, got the 2060

[lunar dawn]

nis works also on 10 series but it can be ver blurry

[lunar dawn]

anyway try both balanced and performance mode

[south rune]

To try nis, i need my monitor set at 4k, but the game ro run at 1440p?

[lunar dawn]

yes but try dlss first

try all the options and check fps too

[lunar dawn]

btw nis is under manage 3d settings in nvdia control panel

[south rune]

Yeah i got it thanks. Update: settings at medium with dlss at ultra performance gets me a whole 41fps and goes down hill with the other options. Even game Settings on low only gets me a max of 46fps

Using NIS with graphics at low with dlss at Ultra performanced got me 55fps

[lunar dawn]

you re not supposed to use nis with dlss i think

i mean like why use at the same time

it would give you so much blur

simply setup nis nvidia control panel (pick the right sharpness setting you like) then go in the game (dont change the monitor resolution from nvidia control panel) and set in game resolution ti what you want (lower than native)

[lunar dawn]

also you should watch this video https://youtu.be/EFY7_H6rvEw

[south rune]

Yeah, i just tried it again with dlss off and the fps dropped compared to having it set at ultra performance.

@lunar dawn

[lunar dawn]

ultra performance dlss is very blurry imo

[south rune]

Best expereince I've had so far is monitor at 1440p and game set for 1440p.

[lunar dawn]

thats because you have a gpu meant to be used for 1080p

it literally has only 6gbs of vram

[lunar dawn]

anyway also performance chart at the end

very good video

[south rune]

Yeah, I have a profile using afterburner that OC's the gpu and ram. Will try that next.

[lunar dawn]

also you can go below 1440p with nis

enable it then go to the in game settings in bf 2042

[cursive ermine]

Rx 6600 + i5 10400f good combo?

[lunar dawn]

(not the normal display ones)

then set the resolution to whatever you want

(dont try to go super low or its gonna be very very blurry)

[lunar dawn]

yes

[south rune]

always thought mixing a rx6600 with a AMD cpu for 'rage mode'@cursive ermine

[cursive ermine]

Ok 👍

[lunar dawn]

i honestly would get a 3060 but a 6600 is very good

[cursive ermine]

3060 is more expensive

[lunar dawn]

i mean 3060 has nvec encoder and if you stream or record thats better

[cursive ermine]

Above my budget lol

[lunar dawn]

and has dlss

[cursive ermine]

Well amd has fsr

Or how its named

[lunar dawn]

wich sucks compared to dlss

[south rune]

@cursive ermine 5600x not that bad a price. https://gamerslens.com/amd-rage-mode/

[lunar dawn]

because dlss uses ai

while fsr is good it will never be as good

but anyway get the 6600 then lol its still a good card

[cursive ermine]

Hm alright

[humble iris]

Isn't DLSS useless/pointless for 1080P?

[wintry wolf]

nvidia

sort of?

[lunar dawn]

no

balanced/quality is very good for 1080p