one word "Money"
#technology
pale quartz
not the days of the 1990's, finding out the root core to a problem is unintentionally trying to navigate 50 different software stacks, and the average person has always been stupid nevermind having the technical knowhow to know where to begin
humble iris
the 90's was a struggle, the 80's though. yeah,
for sure
nothing just worked ever. it required motivation for the smallest task
dip switches, and shunts
pale quartz
which is why standardisation became the norm, as much as people like to "reminisce" about people trying to understand an issue, this has really never been the case
and was always a false idea of nostalgia
even the most hardcore of c developers didnt know shit about half the stuff they worked with, and couldnt be bothered to find out either
humble iris
By the way, I'm not arguing with you, I'm enjoying the conversation
pale quartz
yeah for sure
things never really changed since then, we just made ways to be able to dissect automated discovery, because people are lazy
humble iris
Oh and programmers could not design a UI to save their life.
nowadays just press here, we'll take care of everything
pale quartz
oh yeah they definitely still cant
humble iris
lol..
pale quartz
ask me, or someone else to make a raw CSS website from scratch youll get laughed at
humble iris
I think I always tried to make a straight forward interface, easy and to the point
Of course I'm old PERL and forgot most of that
pale quartz
even the most straightforward interfaces needed mountains of code back in the day for functionality we consider standard today
case of scalability with user interactions
humble iris
What is the "Urban" role by the way?
pale quartz
its one of the colours from the regular role
you get to pick colours if you boost or get the regular role
humble iris
Ahh okay, that's kool
pale quartz
yeah selection of 3 colours, youll see other users with it
humble iris
I was just looking at your profile cause the color was different.
pale quartz
yeah theres orange and green aswell, youll see people with them too
humble iris
lol.. yeah bunch of old people play BF games, probably why I'm as good as I am, and that's not saying much.
My Brother JD_Havoc <^> will not play anything past BC2. I still love that one
Wow Battlelog is still there
humble iris
Has anyone been able to fully saturate a PCIeX16 3.0/4.0/5.0 bandwidth with a modern GPU?
I have never gone 50% of x16 3.0 with a 2080.
or any software suggestions for monitoring or testing it?
lofty light
I thought Gamersnexus were able to get to the limit of 3.0 with two RTX Volta cards in SLI
humble iris
is that x8/x8 or x16/x16 ?
Is this the video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DKVVtirNM8
lofty light
Na it was with the 20 series and from memory it was 16/16
May have been something they off hand mentioned after an overclocking Livestream
humble iris
I didn't know 3Mark had a PCIe benchmark
limpid onyx
I just bought bf5 and I am facing cheaters almost every single game and it's ruining the experience So will dice do anything about it ?
humble iris
So scoring a 12.10 GB/s and saturating 86% https://www.3dmark.com/pcie/235983
zenith tusk
I just bought bf5 and I am facing cheaters almost every single game and it's rui...
GET IN TO A COMMUNITY SERVER ON THE SERVER RBROWSER
prime jasper
am downloading BF hardline at 90mb
supple bane
ok?
proud trellis
some nasa internet speed that is
supple bane
is that sarcasm? 
proud trellis
well to me that is some fast speed as i only get like 10mb most the time, but in general i was being sarcastic
pale quartz
Has anyone been able to fully saturate a PCIeX16 3.0/4.0/5.0 bandwidth with a m...
PCIe gen 4+ no, it is possible on gen 3 if you push the PCIe bandwidth exceptionally with like a 3090 or something, but it's pretty difficult without including SLI
tame umbra
uhm
i got a question
my battlefield v keeps crashing on startup, does anyone know why?
quick locust
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quick locust
And be more specific and provide error messages/log when you do
tame umbra
they already told me to contact ea support but they said if i want a quicker answer i can write in this channel
tame umbra
there literally is no log
it just crashes
but okay i'll contact ea support
pale quartz
they already told me to contact ea support but they said if i want a quicker ans...
this is not a support channel
@quick locust https://youtu.be/_jX-hKvUQDU
limpid onyx
GET IN TO A COMMUNITY SERVER ON THE SERVER RBROWSER
I think progression is off on that right ?
quick locust
<@369842093213876235> https://youtu.be/_jX-hKvUQDU
Nice, is it live yet
pale quartz
1 hour 10m
quick locust
Nice
proud trellis
when is the Nvidia broadcast ?
pale quartz
when is the Nvidia broadcast ?
4pm UK
aka an hour after AMDs one starts
can't wait for Nvidia to announce the space heater 3090ti!
proud trellis
can't wait for Nvidia to announce the space heater 3090ti!
do you think they will speak about RTX 4000 ?
or is that to far away to talk about rn
pale quartz
too far away
proud trellis
ahh
pale quartz
they might talk about it briefly but there will be nothing concrete
zenith tusk
I think progression is off on that right ?
no
toxic wigeon
So the b550 is backwards compatible, correct?
Cause i'm just running all around in my head about this stuff
So Am5 as far as we know, Will not be backwards compatible? You can't just shove a 5600x into it and expect it to work?
pale quartz
So the b550 is backwards compatible, correct?
correct
backwards compatible right to Zen 1
pale quartz
So Am5 as far as we know, Will not be backwards compatible? You can't just shove...
that's physically impossible, the pin layout will be different so not it won't be compatible with AM4
toxic wigeon
Oh so this will be a completely new set
pale quartz
correct
pale quartz
AMD are moving over to LGA so the pins won't even be on the CPU anymore
toxic wigeon
Should i be able to stick ddr4 into the new mobo?
toxic wigeon
Shiiiit
ionic seal
Rip me
I'm glad I help back on the 500 series, stuck with the 3600 and b450
I'm so glad
ionic seal
AM5 is DDR5 only
That is quite a downfall
pale quartz
That is quite a downfall
it's a new chipset
what would you expect
DDR4 and ddr5 cross compatibility is a total technical nightmare
toxic wigeon
Being completely honest I'm more concerned about the Scalpers at this point
raw turtle
AMD are moving over to LGA so the pins won't even be on the CPU anymore
where’s this info coming from? i haven’t seen the leaks recently
pale quartz
been known for a couple of months lol
raw turtle
and DDR5 only?
pale quartz
yes
raw turtle
that doesn’t seem right
pale quartz
uhm, it does seem right, because AM5 is a new chipset design
raw turtle
not even intel can take advantage of ddr5 really which is why there’s support for both
pale quartz
no, they can, which is why they do
don't believe me it doesn't matter AMDs laptop that just got announced at CES is DDR5 only
raw turtle
i know it’s possible but the switch to LGA makes no sense for AMD
raw turtle
what else is it used for?
pale quartz
because we've had system builders literally getting their pins bent because of AMDs current pin layout
which is why LGA is being switched over to
as I said
prime jasper
But LGA is Intel…
🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮
I would’ve preferred more pins
and even more fragile
raw turtle
because we've had system builders literally getting their pins bent because of A...
just be better lmao it’s not hard to not bend pins but you’re right
AMD is officially FUCKED
well for a while that is
pale quartz
uh, yeah no lol
raw turtle
shitty performance compared to alder lake and DDR5 only
pale quartz
almost as if you have no clue the 5800x 3D is coming out
pale quartz
shitty performance compared to alder lake and DDR5 only
and yeah no RPL will be DDR5 only and that's launching next year lol
better get used to it
prime jasper
Did you think 5800X3D was DDR5 only
prime jasper
how would that even work with the motherboards
pale quartz
it wouldnt
raw turtle
they’d switch it just do get their foot in the door
prime jasper
A motherboard that only supports the 5800X3D
raw turtle
Zen 3 can't function with ddr5
can’t they just change the mem controller or does it need more integral architecture changes?
pale quartz
no?
you have some wack conspiracy theories the IMC is literally responsible for the infinity fabric
raw turtle
forgot they were announcing zen3d today and went into zen 5
hopefully ddr5 production isn’t chocked by 2023
and i doubt zen 3d will hold them off considering the minimal performance “gains”
they had -2% on CS GO lmaoooo
pale quartz
Zen 4, not Zen 5
prime jasper
Zen 5 won’t happen because Zen 4 is so good
they’ll never do another gen!
Zen4D
raw turtle
their zen code names are already weird enough
prisma anvil
Yall actually think zen 3D can beat alderlake 🤣
Also glad amd is moving to lga
Pins on cpu is disgusting
My friend's prebuilt company hates it sooo much
raw turtle
i never had an issue with PGA but there’s nothing wrong with moving to LGA either, if anything it makes it better
pale quartz
Yall actually think zen 3D can beat alderlake 🤣
pretty convincing as is
if you think cache can't boost performance by 15% you don't know why cache is so important to games
prime jasper
AMD is known to kind of cherry pick results, pretty sure they usually tend to pick games that already favor AMD heavily
prisma anvil
Of course
prisma anvil
And max oc alderlake runs circle around current 10th gen and amd Zen3
pale quartz
yeah, their Zen 2 and Zen 3 charts were in line with what benchmarks found out
pale quartz
And max oc alderlake runs circle around current 10th gen and amd Zen3
lmao who is running a max overclocked 12900k
prime jasper
And max oc alderlake runs circle around current 10th gen and amd Zen3
How much wattage will that run you again?
pale quartz
nobody wants 400 watts of consumption on their processor
prisma anvil
Not much as alderlake is more efficient than zen3
prime jasper
Runs circles is also a big overstatement
prisma anvil
It's more lol
pale quartz
idk if you actually looked at any single core integer clock rates but if you did you would see ADL is less efficient than Zen 3
raw turtle
lmao who is running a max overclocked 12900k
everyone
pale quartz
that's not up for dispute
prisma anvil
That's why it draws 241W
pale quartz
yeah gotta love drawing as much power as a 2080 on a processor
the e cores are horrendous for efficiency I'm not even sure why you're bringing this up
pale quartz
no it won't actually
PBO2 with fan curve reduces wattage loads lol
and nothing but a 5900x and above draws that amount even with unlocked limits
prime jasper
prisma anvil
I know lol
pale quartz
you don't need to define PPT values yourself
pale quartz
because its already clocked in by PBO2 automatically
PBO has a max wattage limit it has for ages now
to bypass it you need to manually define the values
pale quartz
yeah, just not on auto
prime jasper
Gamers are such nerds holy shit, just use the CPU with factory settings. Maybe use curve optimizer to lower temps, but that’s about it.
Hot take if you unironically OC your cpu into having a 400w wattage you are out of your mind and should probably just find another hobby
prisma anvil
Esp the high end ones
pale quartz
Gamers are such nerds holy shit, just use the CPU with factory settings. Maybe u...
^
factory settings actually not that advisable tbh
prisma anvil
Yeah I'll let a 5950X only draw up to 105W
prime jasper
yeah idk, tiny adjustments
pale quartz
nah
prisma anvil
And complain about how low fps I get in bf2042
pale quartz
factory settings is a hard wall limit, you unlock them if you're half competent about performance
prime jasper
5950x isn’t even a gaming CPU
pale quartz
?
prisma anvil
?
pale quartz
yes it is lol
prisma anvil
This guy lol
prime jasper
Maybe if you’re trying to run BF2042 twice at the same time yeah
prisma anvil
I'll see real benchmark and see if zen 3d truly wins
Matter of time before I test one myself
prime jasper
if you get a 5950x for gaming you’re a bit ridiculous
pale quartz
you won't be able to run 2 simultaneous sessions of 2042 on a 5950x lol
prime jasper
But hey that’s my opinion
prisma anvil
Shout-out to my friends prebuilt company
pale quartz
it's a gaming processor
near rune
battlefield 2042 isnt the only game out there
pale quartz
all of AMDs ryzen processors are gaming centered
this isn't a threadripper
or epyc
prime jasper
Isn’t the 5900x faster than the 5950x in most games
pale quartz
no
prime jasper
But Google says so
pale quartz
the 5900x loses because of multi core scaling
it has a higher base single point clock, but it doesn't matter
near rune
when your running all cores your clock speed doesnt hit the max anyway
prisma anvil
Also pbo2 oc is frustrating as hell
Intel u set a load line calibration, voltage, clock speed, then u do a stress test and ur gaming.
prisma anvil
I ain't got time to core cycler bs
pale quartz
Also pbo2 oc is frustrating as hell
this
just assign fmax core you get 95% of what you need easiest job
prisma anvil
Yeah that's what I do
prime jasper
Seems like a pretty tiny difference
prisma anvil
I don't even touch the curve optimizer
pale quartz
yeah it is a tiny difference, it still loses lol
pale quartz
yeah and the point was multicore scaling exists
if you can't be bothered listening don't contribute
prime jasper
lol
pale quartz
I don't even touch the curve optimizer
fmax no need to touch the CO
you can but like
prisma anvil
I know
pale quartz
it's 5 degrees max thermal delta tops so meh
prisma anvil
5600X can take co well. 3/6 I tested can do - 30 all core with +200mhz boost
Was pretty impressive actually
pale quartz
I haven't seen how fmax interacts with per core bins on the curve optimiser, I'll need to test it at some point
probably highly unstable
my best bet
prisma anvil
5600X base clock is low that's why
pale quartz
I allowed an unlock of 200 on the single core, think it went to 5.15@76? iirc
not bad, for a gold bin anyways
pale quartz
that's the worst lmao
quick locust
I have le olde 8700K
prisma anvil
I hope my friends build 12600k have good silicone lottery lol
pale quartz
especially finding silicon lottery with unstable memory timings
pale quartz
bottom tier bin
prisma anvil
Sp63
pale quartz
must have been on the verge of failure lmao
prisma anvil
🥲
pale quartz
I have le olde 8700K
get with the times
quick locust
lol
prisma anvil
8700k can still hang if u oc.
quick locust
prisma anvil
But apparently oc is for nerds
prime jasper
It is yeah
prisma anvil
6 cores 12 threads still skylake not bad at all
prime jasper
Not that it’s a bad thing
pale quartz
you'll get spectre'd into an upgrade
prime jasper
Its fine to an extent imo
pale quartz
prisma anvil
you'll get spectre'd into an upgrade
🤣
Luumi's channel is just a flex.
Here is my 10900k at 5.5ghz at 1.3ish v
🥲
pale quartz
2 months early
pale quartz
just drink from alder lake
prisma anvil
One of my stubborn friend refuse to go ddr4 for his 12700k.
quick locust
wanted supermicro z690 but theyve still not shown theirs
quick locust
theres ddr5 in stock here
prisma anvil
Decent speed?
prisma anvil
That's actually good.
quick locust
prisma anvil
Send one to my friend lol he is desperate
quick locust
prisma anvil
Ex moms
quick locust
yeah before VAT
prisma anvil
Bruh we talked about this ur late
prisma anvil
5800X3D is faster than 12900K
LOL
prisma anvil
The benchmark makes me laugh lol
Nice suite of game tested lol
I thought their 6700XT graph is bad. 🤣
latent light
AMD is playing fair, surprised to see a Far Cry game, those usually benefit from Intel more
prisma anvil
Stop the fan boy lol.
pale quartz
Nvidias presentation is so shit
prisma anvil
Yes
prisma anvil
Nvidia announcement is a joke
pale quartz
speaks for itself
latent light
Why is there only a Ryzen 7 3D
prisma anvil
Because zen4 is pretty close
Real reason is prob no point in doing every lineup 3D when it loses to alderlake
Jk
pale quartz
Why is there only a Ryzen 7 3D
for now
5900x and 5950x 3d will come out aswell most likely
prisma anvil
I think only ryzen 7 3D makes sense. 8 cores and not 2 ccx
pale quartz
you'd be mistaken, the original prototype was on a 5950x for 3d cache
prisma anvil
I do wish they release more 3D tho
latent light
Original 3D prototype was a 12-core
prisma anvil
I want my friend to go from 3900X to 5900X 3D
pale quartz
it was the 5950x, was already confirmed by AMD
prisma anvil
If it exist
latent light
Weird
prisma anvil
Moore's law said all zen3 are built to have 3D cache
But they can't get the yield and don't need to etc
pale quartz
he's right, partly
3d cache on a 5600x and below makes no sense just by a scalability factor
prisma anvil
I see.
pale quartz
need to max out the core scaling first to see the gains from cache
prisma anvil
He also said zen2 had proto on 3D cache as well
pale quartz
the TSV models for Zen 2 did exist internally
prisma anvil
Makes sense
pale quartz
they were never understandably shown, they've been working on getting 3d cache integrated for a while now
latent light
3D cache benefits gaming more than productivity?
prisma anvil
Yeah
pale quartz
Zen 2 on stacked cache turned out terrible it's why it got scrapped
latent light
Wonder how Milan-X multi-thread perf is up to 50% faster than Milan while having same core count then
quick locust
but they never got them stable
threadripper update when
pale quartz
threadripper update when
happening
nvidias presentation was terrible what a complete Trainwreck
car showroom
pale quartz
https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-waiting-hmmm-think-gif-16408853
(soon)
it's coming though
latent light
Zen 4 prototype CPU was running 5 GHz all-core in the Halo Infinite demo
humble iris
5800X3D looks like a winner.
And of course 12400
not so sure a 3050 has a place though as Ray Tracing and DLSS will gimp it's performance.
quick locust
i wonder about 6500xt
humble iris
3050 would be okay, but Ray Tracing will gimp it. That's why 16-Series made since. not sure how AMD's Ray Tracing will perform.
6500XT 4GB ??
humble iris
Good budget card though
latent light
It's gonna rely on FSR
Being only 4GB it won't attract miners but you won't be able to play 1080p games at ultra settings
$199 MSRP but I know actual price gonna double because scalpers
RTX 3050 is $249 MSRP and has 8GB
main glacier
250 cheap
imagine the rtx 2xxx
Real price
would be like 150
its the price of a gtx 1050 at the moment
prisma anvil
5800X3D looks like a winner.
Really the benchmark looks worse than their 6700xt graph vs the 3070
And when the review came out look what happened.
I'll wait.
I think it's still a winner for anyone on zen2
Unless you are doing multithreaded workload.
prisma anvil
Not to mention in testing suite they did a 65W power limited 12700 tied 5800X in gaming.
Where is the zen3 power efficient gang at?
latent light
Those CPUs aren't even from the same generation so I don't get your point
prisma anvil
My point is alderlake is more power efficient than zen3
Knew that since the beginning
Get what's the best for each task. Don't fanboy.
And speculate
latent light
You're the only fanboy I've seen here for a while
prisma anvil
I shutdown all the intel fanboy back then when zen3 launched
That's you. You posted about amd everyday claiming it's faster while tested nothing
latent light
Not many care about fine tuning their CPU and RAM
prisma anvil
Good. So get the 12700
latent light
If the new Ryzen 7 is better than a new i9 in gaming then why should I
prisma anvil
That's literally what I told every intel user who don't oc to get the zen3 because it's faster out of the box
Literally a year ago
Now intel has temporarily win. I am not gonna downplay
Stop the fanboy and speculation.
U didn't know how much I crapped on 11th gen.
Sorry to the 11th gen user I help tuned on this discord.
prisma anvil
If the new Ryzen 7 is better than a new i9 in gaming then why should I
Yeah in most amd benchmarks 6700xt is faster than 3070. Now look what happened.
Wait till real benchmarks
If zen 3D is faster id 100% recommend
latent light
AMD has confidence to show only the 8-core SKU beating Intel 12th gen
latent light
Did you watch the presentation at all
prisma anvil
Yes.
latent light
5800X3D is the 8-core sku
latent light
Yeah and it was right
prisma anvil
I also saw the intel presentation where it shows its faster than amd in mobile by 30+% across the board
latent light
prisma anvil
Do I believe that? Nope
I also saw Nvidia say 3070 is faster than 2080ti in general. Do I believe that? Nope
latent light
It can be
prisma anvil
Yeah cherry pick results
latent light
Just not in memory bandwidth dependant games
prisma anvil
Of course
This is why we have independent reviewers
I trust them for out of the box experience only. That's fair
prime jasper
computer
humble iris
Really the benchmark looks worse than their 6700xt graph vs the 3070
huge cache though
latent light
Large cache seems to benefit lots of modern games but not so much for esports like csgo or league
humble iris
as long as it doesn't make it worse I guess
I was trying to retrieve data from a broken cell phone today. screen was viewable but touch didnt work. I plugged in a K400r mouse/keyboard and it works like a pc sort of. I never knew that
has a mouse cursor and all
mild bough
yeah figured, didn't really think iphones would be that advanced tbh
humble iris
with a Logitech K400r, also a wireless microsoft mouse worked as well
Maybe I should'nt be this surprised, but I am
molten coral
yeah figured, didn't really think iphones would be that advanced tbh
You can use a mouse since iOS 13.
Any mouse, it doesn’t have to be from Apple.
mild bough
really
but why would you use a mouse on a phone though
doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose of a touch screen
mild bough
i mean its cool, but why would they do it
so you could kill everyone on cod warzone mobile?
lol
humble iris
but why would you use a mouse on a phone though
if the touch malfunctions you can access the phone.
prisma anvil
RX 6500XT is basically a GTX 1650 Super <:LUL:562440529980293128>
U know what's sad? My friends prebuilt company already have rich people asking for 3090ti
I literally can't.
humble iris
I was tempted to buy a prebuilt from bestbuy the other day, a stack of them 12700k systems with 3080ti I believe. I thought I could sell the GPU for more then the entire system cost, but I don't have the energy for that crap.
prisma anvil
How much is it?
humble iris
IIRC it was under $2000
prisma anvil
Damn that's actually insane
humble iris
I was telling my Wife I could put those on a credit card and make profit on just the GPU
prisma anvil
My best friend and I are doing a build and we almost did the same thing. Looking at either abs gladiator from newegg or powerspec from Microcenter
In the end we snipped a 3070 ftw3 ultra bundle
Total build is around 2500 after tax. (thanks to the 4tb of nvme and 32gb of 3600 cl14 dominator platinum)
He is gonna be really happy.
humble iris
Well maybe they were just 3060Ti for $2000 and under, or I say good deal and passed it up, could have swore they were 3080/Ti
prisma anvil
Excited to build this thing
prisma anvil
Yeah. Especially we are getting quality components
humble iris
yeah much better components
humble iris
hell right off the bat it's dual channel
these prebuilts almost always have single stick or ram
prisma anvil
Esp at 3600 cl14 16 16 36 we are enabling xmp and calling it a day
I don't love him that much to ram OC
🤣
humble iris
3600 at those timings is really good
prisma anvil
Oh and it's full corsair rgb vomit bling bling too
humble iris
I think this was the system I saw, but swear it was 3080/ti https://www.bestbuy.com/site/skytech-gaming-shiva-gaming-pc-desktop-amd-ryzen-5-5600x-16g-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-1tb-nvme-120mm-aio-white/6482938.p?skuId=6482938
I do not trust prebuilt gaming rigs, I would be more tempted to buy an office PC from HP or Dell
prisma anvil
I mean it can't be that bad.
I heard abs gladiator and power spec I personal tested are decent
lofty light
I do not trust prebuilt gaming rigs, I would be more tempted to buy an office PC...
Depends on where you buy prebuilts from
prisma anvil
But as a oc and gaming enthusiasts I want the best possible for my friend
I didn't even utilize my other friend's prebuilt company
lofty light
Local stores that sell PC parts often also have their own prebuilts which are good
humble iris
I got my Mom's prebuilt Legion PC from Best Buy, Ryzen 3600, GTX 1650 Super, for around 800-850, it is not bad, but the single ram is so ignorant. Mainly did it cause I needed a 1650 S for an encoder project
prisma anvil
Yeah soo many people I helped on this discord has single channel memory
humble iris
other then that, the last prebuilt I purchased was Dell E510 in 2006
lofty light
There's a couple companies in AUS that do great prebuilts
But not sure about anywhere else sadly
humble iris
with prebuilt it's about money, so sell cheap, and build really really cheap
prisma anvil
I've heard! I have an Aus friend who got a 3080 and 11900kf build for a great price a while ago
lofty light
I mean the 11900 is a scam CPU tbh 
I did buy a 3070 for under 1k though
Prices are normally bullshit here but availability is always good
prisma anvil
He got it from bpctech
prisma anvil
I mean the 11900 is a scam CPU tbh <:haHAA:562440524741476381>
1000%
But his build was still super cheap somehow
humble iris
I kind of feel like the entire tech market is a scam right now
prisma anvil
That's just fax
teal raven
Anyone know of a fix for the random input loss?
humble iris
I'd rather have 12400 than 11900K
Agree
humble iris
12400 over 5600X too
agree
if the price is what it's supposed to be
How many lanes will the 12400 have? 16+4
And 5.0 so really be like 32+8
So 12400 will have Xe Graphics Architecture, do the other 12-series have Xe?
it says UHD 770
prisma anvil
I think all is the same
humble iris
If I'm reading correctly 12500-12900 have UHD 770, and 12400 will have Xe
prisma anvil
Nvm
latent light
RDNA2 wont arrive on desktop APUs until Q3 this year
It's mobile exclusive atm
12CU GPU at 2.4 GHz and 6+ GHz DDR5 would be pretty nice in a palm size mini PC
humble iris
So it seems like Intel is about to drop a Lambo engine into volkswagon
latent light
Xe drivers aren't that great but software overhaul is coming with Arc GPU launch
prisma anvil
I mean makes sense since ryzen apu been owning intel ever since
humble iris
I'm honestly intrigued by this 12400
latent light
Honestly I think the top Intel Arc GPU with take on RTX 3070Ti or even the RX 6800
raw turtle
RDNA2 wont arrive on desktop APUs until Q3 this year
Finally, a APU gpu refresh lmao
took amd what, almost 4 years? lmao
humble iris
Hopefully at least drive down prices and scapling
latent light
5800X3D probably $499 msrp
3D cache is extra silicon which means 5800X3D manufacturing cost is higher than 5800X, plus R&D
raw turtle
500$ msrp makes sense
"competes" with the 12900k
at least that's what they say, most likely can't in real world
latent light
12900K multi-core performance still better
12700K too I'm sure but 5800X3D is being held as top gaming CPU
prisma anvil
12700K too I'm sure but 5800X3D is being held as top gaming CPU
w8 for independent review lol
You don't see people running around say intel mobile is 30% ish faster than amd mobile across the board because intel showed it
latent light
Like Deco said, Zen 3D needs to max out the core scaling first to see bigger gains from cache, 5900/5950X3D with 12-16 cores and 192MB will be decently faster than the 5800X3D
That's why AMD is confident with announcing just the 5800X3D
prisma anvil
Another zen3 user can't boot xmp just now
Bruh is 4*8 3600 cl16 that hard to run?
I have to manually set his timings to 3600 CL18 22 22 22 42
Idk what to blame. Micron ram, Asus mobo or zen3 memory controller
Mf jacked the voltage to 1.4v didn't work either
prisma anvil
Like Deco said, Zen 3D needs to max out the core scaling first to see bigger gai...
You are not making any sense. Also amd ain't gonna release 5900/5950X 3D
Because think about it they are releasing zen4 already in 2nd half.
You think they will release an entire lineup right before zen4?
Not to mention 5800X 3D have to cut 200mhz on clock speed over 5800X
Also evga just dropped alot of B stock 30 series today.
Pricing is insane, but of course sold out in 0.1 sec
humble iris
Pricing is insane, but of course sold out in 0.1 sec
why you gota do that, I have EVGA Bucks
humble iris
Bruh is 4*8 3600 cl16 that hard to run?
it's a problem for sure. had same issues
prisma anvil
it's a problem for sure. had same issues
Yeah it's prob board and ram itself.
He is on b450 Asus f gaming 5600X and 4*8 Dom plat 3600 cl16 micron ic
We updated bios etc as well.
I am scared for my best friend's build now. But we are on 2*16 so I am somewhat confident lol
humble iris
The one I setup is going to be 2133, cause I dont manual OC other peoples ram.
it was XMP 3200 on B450 Ryzen 3600 IIRC
XMP just would not boot
It was probably a Gigabyte board
And it's the only setup where the ram didn't work with XMP that I ever messed with, I didn't build it, it was just someone who built their own and needed help finishing it up.
prisma anvil
Yeah I've seen this happen too many time now.
I'm scared of 4 sticks of ram now lol
Should be extra scared or straight up don't do it at DDR5
humble iris
My CPU finally made it from China, it's in my town, but "Acceptance Pending" 15 days so far. hopefully delivering tomorrow.
lofty light
You ordered the X99 didn't ya
humble iris
yeah you remembered?
lofty light
Ye it was the same as mine
lofty light
I went from 5820K to 6950X
humble iris
So we will be the same now
lofty light
Ye 👍
humble iris
👍
lofty light
It should work fine so long as you have the latest bios on your mobo
Same socket so just need the bios
humble iris
yep had the 2.08 since 2019 I believe
lofty light
Ah fair
humble iris
Spectre Meltdown
humble iris
Yep, just checked
American Megatrends Inc. 2.08, 6/28/2019
You had the ASUS board if IIRC
humble iris
is yours the second x99 version, mine is the first version
lofty light
Last time I opened up my server it was filled with dust but that mobo was fine
Mines the first
humble iris
I think the second was just m.2 slots and maybe USB/Thunderbolt rev.
humble iris
That is slick
lofty light
That mobo has a 5mm metal backplate too, was one of the first
Whole thing is heavy and sturdy as hell
humble iris
that was good cpu, I was going to go with that and an ASUS e-ws cause it had 32 lanes with plex chips would have been 72 lanes I think, but went with this board and 5930k for 40 lanes
the 6950x was like $2500 when it came 2 years later, I just paid $200 and hoping it's okay
it was 64 lanes with either CPU + the m.2 lanes
You game on something different though right?
sonic ermine
yo guys i turned on the game today first time in this year and am getting a weird Direct 3d out of memory error
I dont understand all my drivers are updated too (bf2042 btw)
humble iris
I once got a "The Graphics Card Has Been Removed From The System" error
Have you disabled "Hardware-accelerated GPU Scheduling"?
lofty light
You game on something different though right?
Yeah I game on an R9 3900X
humble iris
Yeah I game on an R9 3900X
Dang, that's a step up
lofty light
Double the cores/threads ye
humble iris
Ahh okay
lofty light
Minecraft REALLY likes high core speed
humble iris
that was more then double performance then
more like triple +
Minecraft is fun, I have to admit, I play with my Daughter sometimes she's 10, and fun, My oldest 21 has a minecraft server, I have windows version, but I should get the Java sometime
lofty light
Java is the bomb, I've run a few servers in the past with up to 20 peeps or so
Heavily modded of course
humble iris
Do you still have to purchase them separately?
lofty light
Mods?
humble iris
Windows vs Java
humble iris
Wait, can you play Java Edition on Gamepass? these websites confuse me
I'm on the Java Purchase page, and saying I can Play on GamePass
nope, they should stop advertising over themselves
humble iris
Yeah my 2 boys started playing it many years ago
Okay so no.. only Windows version on Gamepass
barren moth
someone please help, (i play on pc) I have a old 2012 moniter that does not support hdr but for somereason hdr is turned on in my game and is greyed out so i cant turn it off and it is causing me to lose fps
humble iris
windows settings turn it off, or in game turn it off
barren moth
i cant turn it off in windows it says unsuported moniter
humble iris
if its greyed out it is not turned on it just is not present
barren moth
thx
humble iris
np
dense urchin
Okay so no.. only Windows version on Gamepass
If your on pc get the Minecraft launcher from game pass, includes both Java and bedrock
toxic copper
Wait, can you play Java Edition on Gamepass? these websites confuse me
All versions of Minecraft are on game pass
Java and Bedrock
toxic wigeon
When will we be getting more news about the new ryzen cpu's? It's nice they name dropped, Sorta but bit bare at the moment.
toxic wigeon
First thing i see when i look up ddr5 ram is adapters for it
What's more dependant on your rams speed, The GPU or the CPU or both?
quick locust
cpu
your GPU has its own
unless you're using a 20 year old intel i740 or integrated graphics
quick locust
GDDR6 is a lot higher bandwidth
but higher latency
ryzen 4700S shows it with it
integrated graphics can benefit a lot from higher bandwidth though
like on the Macbooks
toxic wigeon
ye
quick locust
my previous laptop only supported single channel
raw turtle
First thing i see when i look up ddr5 ram is adapters for it
stay away from DDR5 for a while
hard to get MSRP/not worth the price
and barely even a performance increase
prisma anvil
What's more dependant on your rams speed, The GPU or the CPU or both?
Mostly cpu.
However it helps gpu abit as well, not much
latent light
You are not making any sense. Also amd ain't gonna release 5900/5950X 3D
If they were not releasing a 5900X3D then why did they demonstrate one back in June at Computex?
prisma anvil
Idk ask amd lol.
latent light
Also 5800X3D cache bandwidth is 1 TB/s, because 1 CCD + 1 V-cache
5900X3D bandwidth is doubled to 2 TB/s because double the dies
prisma anvil
Cause moore's law is dead and amd's interview with Ian cutress all hinted 5800X 3D is the only cpu.
They are gonna try hold off people switch to alderlake and go all out at zen4
Which isn't a bad strategy
Anyone on zen platform already I won't recommend alderlake.
latent light
I got B350 motherboard sadly I doubt 5800X3D will be supported unless a beta BIOS
prisma anvil
They are more than fine on zen3 or 5800X 3D
Well u can switch to alderlake or wait for zen4
Ur call
latent light
I can't even afford food so I'm not buying any hardware lol
prisma anvil
Oh GG.
Respect that took me 6 years of saving to get my current pc haha
I came from 4690k 970
latent light
I had a 4690K before too, it could OC to 5.2 GHz at 1.27v
prisma anvil
That's cap
latent light
I sold it to friend in Norway and it died on him after a couple years on that OC
latent light
Diamond bin
latent light
Nah I still have a Cinebench and userbenchmark run of that CPU somewhere
It was 240mm AIO
prisma anvil
I wanna see.
Also how does it die?
1.27V is not even much.
If u say 1.72v I'd believe you
That would also explain the dying part
latent light
There it is, friend got it to 5.25 GHz actually lol
He ran it like that daily then it quit working one day
I sold it to him for $200
Then I bought R5 1600
Then sold that for $70 and got a 1600AF for $85 new
prisma anvil
5.25 is impressive but the dying part is not
Also it's UserBenchmark which is a meme
I bet the voltage is not 1.27v
latent light
It was under 1.3v
prisma anvil
Then that cpu should break world records.
Also the user bench score. Why is the base clock wrong and the score is so low.
Other people are matching your score at 4.5ghz or lower
Did UserBenchmarks glitch and shifted the base clock and turbo clock by 0.8ghz? LOL
toxic wigeon
So what's so special about the 5800x3d?
Or, how much more effective is it over its predecessor?
...again, or. What makes the 3d so special, how much does it help it?
prisma anvil
So what's so special about the 5800x3d?
It has alot of cache. It helps in certain games and it mask the ram latency or completely take ram latency out of the equation in games.
Performance wise we have to wait for independent review.
As amd has to lower both base clock and boost clock speed because of the 3D V cache.
prisma anvil
Alot of L3 cache now. Which is a good thing. Zen3 has high ram latency and it's a perfect way to mask that shortcoming.
Very cool technology
toxic wigeon
Yea just did a bit of research... its confusing but I think i understand to a degree
prisma anvil
I think I am testing it myself hopefully when it comes out.
toxic wigeon
Even though we can't speak, the way it's set up looks like a good alternative for those who want a bit of extra extra life out of their am4 board
prisma anvil
Yep. I am recommending some of my am4 friends to get this as well.
toxic wigeon
I think I might wait am5 out for a while
Wouldn't have so much of a problem with am5 if we didn't need to use a new ram type and CPU type. I completely understand but it would be cool to stick these old pieces in and upgrade when you actually have them.
Cause there are gonna be tonnes of scalpers with this shit
prisma anvil
Hopefully ddr5 availability will be better soon.
My friends company said alot of shipment will happen Q1 and Q2 this year
toxic wigeon
Yeah, though looking at that CL type has me concerned
But since it's a new type of ram, maybe the latency isn't so bad
prisma anvil
Ddr5 is actually really good already. Somehow the latency penalty doesn't transfer to gaming like ddr4
latent light
Games prefer latency of hardware over bandwidth
prisma anvil
However you still want 5600 to 6000 with lower CL to beat 3600 cl14
prisma anvil
Yes my friend got 2*16 3600cl14 bdie kit dominator platinum cool looking ones for 220 usd
toxic wigeon
What's equivalent to cl16 for ddr5?
prisma anvil
They work really differently so we can't tell haha.
Esp ddr5 is on gear 2. Which cut the memory controller speed by half.
Idk how amd will implement their memory controller we will see.
Also another reason to not go ddr5 is most mobo qvl list top off at 6000 to low 6000 and alot of people are struggling to even run 6000 at lower end board.
Better bios in the future won't improve motherboard memory trace layout.
eager sun
Need DDR5-6000 CL36 to beat DDR4-3600 CL14
DDR5 6000 (with tuned timings) completely destroys any DDR4 kit, reaching almost 100GB/s read write copy i only saw these results on stuff like z690 apex and idk 600$ DDR5 though
600$ for really good DDR5 isnt even that much more expensive than "normie" DDR5 lmao
eager sun
ah yea i dont have any comparison for that at least i didnt spot it in the dc yet
didnt see that it was about gaming specifically
latent light
DDR5 getting scalped like GPUs are
eager sun
yep only useful if your a benchmarking guy anyway
i thought about getting 12th gen to bench new hardware first week but after looking at mobo and ram prices i was like nahhhhh
latent light
Most 12th gen users are getting DDR4 motherboards, not a good decision imo if they care about future upgrades
If any 12th gen user is interested in keeping the same motherboard for 2+ years, they should buy one with DDR5 support
prisma anvil
Most 12th gen users are getting DDR4 motherboards, not a good decision imo if th...
Did u see what I said on top?
Most DDR5 mobo rn struggles to run over 6000.
latent light
So stay away from 600 series boards because low quality memory traces?
prisma anvil
So just do ddr4 for a much lower price.
My friends b450 cant even post 3600 cl16 4*8 on a 5600X
latent light
IMC probably
prisma anvil
Zen3 imc can't be that bad.
latent light
You can't guarantee that 3600 ram is going to run for 4 sticks
prisma anvil
I mean I won't be surprised
latent light
Zen 3 is guaranteed to run 3200 MHz on 4 sticks
If you care about reaching high RAM frequency please only use 2 sticks
latent light
Personally I'd take out 2 sticks lol
prisma anvil
He told me he is doing ram intensive stuff
And he want his rig look cool
Also board is very important for memory oc
ionic seal
is Ryzen 5000 ompetitors will 12th gen intel?
prisma anvil
Yeah and u think current DDR5 board can post xmp with much higher speed?
Unless u get smth like a tachyon godlike, unify or apex
latent light
Buying a Z690 board with only DDR4 support, buyer's remorse will be very prominent in 2023 when DDR5 is affordable and 8 GHz
ionic seal
Buying a Z690 board with only DDR4 support, buyer's remorse will be very promine...
thanks imma wait then
prisma anvil
So ur saying the best is get DDR5 board for future proof get 8ghz ram. Fail to post xmp and run it at 4800 or smth?
🤣
latent light
Probably be better to wait for 700 series boards because 600 series is apparently shit for DDR5
prisma anvil
This is why future proofing is kinda dumb.
Get ddr4 and be happy.
It's OK to not have the best hardware
If you are enjoying the fps or stuff you are doing. You are good.
Unless you are that rich guy asking for 3090ti already
Then u do u
latent light
DDR5 is gonna be way faster than DDR4 in gaming once manufacturing matures and the timings come down and the clocks go up
prisma anvil
Thanks captain obvious.
latent light
I wouldn't limit myself to DDR4 if I was buying 12th gen right now because I always plan on keeping a motherboard for 3 years or more
Considering LGA1700 supports more than 2 generations, more than previous sockets, I would go with DDR5 support
prisma anvil
Ur motherboard memory trace won't get any better over time. It's not wine.
The best option rn is still ddr4 unless u have ddr5 readily available and you have alot of money to spend on a good board.
latent light
You know for sure it's the motherboard traces and not CPU IMC
prisma anvil
Yes. Because people can clock up to near 7000 already on hynix ic
On good boards
Lower tier board can't even pass 6000 alot of the time.
latent light
Could also be an issue stemming from the DDR5 modules themself, it's a new memory standard after all
prisma anvil
It could but u are wasting alot of money for taking that sliver of chance lol
ionic seal
@latent light is it worth upgrading my ryzen 5 3600 t oa 5600 or shall i wait and get a better PC, because i play lots of videogames that are really big
latent light
Not really imo
ionic seal
ok
prisma anvil
<@!238504570748141570> is it worth upgrading my ryzen 5 3600 t oa 5600 or shall ...
What ur mobo?
ionic seal
B450-F
latent light
3600 to 5600X is about 15-20% gain at 1080p iirc
ionic seal
ok
prisma anvil
U can upgrade to zen3 or zen3d. If u are building brand new u can go alderlake. Or you can wait till zen4
prisma anvil
Look at your budget and decide
latent light
Lisa Su said the Ryzen 7000 Zen 4 engineering sample was running 5 GHz on all cores during the Halo Infinite demo
prisma anvil
I think zen3 is a huge jump over zen2
ionic seal
zen 3 is 3600 right?
latent light
No
ionic seal
oh
latent light
Zen 2 is 3000 series
ionic seal
ok
latent light
Zen 3 is 5000
ionic seal
u guys are smart i cant keep up with this shit
storm osprey
ehhh, they could make it simpler too, and we just follow the news, doesnt really have to do with smarts
prisma anvil
If you want to get a performance boost for cheap immediately get 5600X. If you want to do a brand new PC rn go alderlake. If you want to wait for a while you can wait for zen4 with ddr5
Your pick
latent light
B660 motherboards are supposed to be pretty good value
prisma anvil
u guys are smart i cant keep up with this shit
These are your 3 options. You decide depending on your budget and patience
ionic seal
B660 motherboards are supposed to be pretty good value
didnt even know they exist
arent they Am5 socket for the new ryzens
latent light
AM5 is for Ryzen 7000
5800X3D uses AM4, specifically 400 and 500 series motherboards
raw turtle
zen 3 is 3600 right?
The “zen” names are super confusing
Ryzen 1000 = Zen
Ryzen 2000 = Zen +
Ryzen 3000 = Zen 2
Ryzen 4000 = mobile and OEM only, not given a code name
Ryzen 5000 = Zen 3
UNRELEASED
Ryzen 6000 = Skipped for whatever reason (probably due to Zen 3 chips with 3D V cache replacing it)
Ryzen 7000 = Zen 4
quick locust
Except for mobile
humble iris
If your on pc get the Minecraft launcher from game pass, includes both Java and ...
This is great it says I own it already
humble iris
All versions of Minecraft are on game pass
Thanks I'm checking it out
Yes I've confirmed both versions of Minecraft are playable through Xbox App/GamePass I own the Microsoft version, but not the Java version, but it is included with Gamepass.
cursive ermine
can rtx 3090 run minecraft???
humble iris
of course
cursive ermine
storm osprey
can rtx 3090 run minecraft???
no, you also need the rest of the computer 
humble iris
The “zen” names are super confusing
Ryzen 1000 = Zen
Ryzen 2000 = Zen +
Ryzen 3...
you forgot Zen 3D
raw turtle
ryzen 5000d is technically zen3 basically
i could have mentioned it but they are close enough
latent light
Ryzen 6000 is mobile only so far, but it seems like Zen 3+ cores will arrive with desktop APUs in late summer
dense urchin
can rtx 3090 run minecraft???
Nah u needa a nasa super computer to run Minecraft
prisma anvil
5950XT
Bruh
3090ti equivalent of cpu
I am hyped for AM5 tho.
Can't wait to test them out.
Wish is not a pain in the butt to OC like zen3.
humble iris
5950XT3DX getting to many to many variants
Some people getting CPUs and GPUs mixed up
Ryzen 7000 gonna have a heat spreader design
lunar dawn
I am hyped for AM5 tho.
its gonna be lga like intel
and its gonna have a socket similar to 12th gen probably
humble iris
I have not installed an AMD CPU since AM3+, does AM4 still have pins? or gold pads.
latent light
and its gonna have a socket similar to 12th gen probably
Nah 12th gen is rectangular while AM5 CPU substrate is still 40x40mm like AM4 ones and the Z-height is just slightly lower
lunar dawn
Nah 12th gen is rectangular while AM5 CPU substrate is still 40x40mm like AM4 on...
i meant in terms of pins
its very similar to lga 1700
lunar dawn
Close to the same pin count
yeah indeed
the shape of the ihs is weird fron what i saw
humble iris
LGA is Land Grid (Pads) PGA is pins
lunar dawn
LGA is Land Grid (Pads) PGA is pins
lga has pins but on the mobo
pga is just the opposite
humble iris
yes
latent light
IHS, or heatspreader, design is kinda tacky but it's to greatly differentiate it from Intel CPUs and it might have some benefit to cooling
humble iris
but LGA sets on top of the pins like springs, not male-female locking
I like intel better, I just dealt with a PGA cpu with burnt and bent pins, it was a user error though.
FX6300
I have pics, but cant send them here
humble iris
IHS, or heatspreader, design is kinda tacky but it's to greatly differentiate it...
So not really functional then.
or more functional then usual
prisma anvil
Big CHUNGUS!
humble iris
its gonna be lga like intel
Which you did say actually
lunar dawn
I like intel better, I just dealt with a PGA cpu with burnt and bent pins, it wa...
oh man i still remember when intel was using pga
that was like 2008 i think
humble iris
I have intel CPUs that have a PCI/RAM type socket
lunar dawn
honestly its better than amd is using lga now bcs its easier to drop a cpu than a mobo
lunar dawn
I have intel CPUs that have a PCI/RAM type socket
damn
humble iris
honestly its better than amd is using lga now bcs its easier to drop a cpu than ...
yes, so much easier, and less user error
lunar dawn
yes, so much easier, and less user error
still .. user error can happen like applying too much force on the cpu
humble iris
Pentium II
humble iris
still .. user error can happen like applying too much force on the cpu
Yeah I just set it in, and wiggle a bit, then lock it in
lunar dawn
Yeah I just set it in, and wiggle a bit, then lock it in
yeah thats in fact how you re supposed to do it lol
humble iris
I never the leave the plastic protector in and do it, I always take that crap off first, and most of the ones I do are swap out anyway
prisma anvil
I really like the ihs design of the am5
latent light
Rumors from almost a year ago were true about LGA and the IHS design, 100% accurate
Even had the pin count and everything
humble iris
Has everyone noticed that "MSRP:" is no longer a specification on product listings anymore.
I thought it was law to disclose MSRP
quick locust
toxic wigeon
Hmm...
pale quartz
Alot of L3 cache now. Which is a good thing. Zen3 has high ram latency and it's ...
not exactly
Zen 3 has a negligible RAM latency, it isn't particularly high
toxic wigeon
Ok then. CL16 3200 to 3600 mhz
pale quartz
the whole "high latency" with Zen's architecture was down to Zen 2 not having a fully interconnected CCX, this isn't the case with Zen 3
which is why Zen 3 doesn't have as high an impact on RAM performance as Zen 2
pale quartz
Ok then. CL16 3200 to 3600 mhz
well those are 2 entirely different classes of performance category