technology

[midnight crypt]

a better pc

[lunar dawn]

what cpu, gpu and ram

something quick you can try is enable ram xmp (docp on amd asus boards) in the bios

[main glacier]

i dont have a gaming bios

[lunar dawn]

then overclock cpu or gpu i guess

[lunar dawn]

i mean ... xmp is in every bios (not laptops)

[main glacier]

no its not

[lunar dawn]

doesnt have to be gaming

afaik

[main glacier]

i have intel b360

when i go in the bios there no advanced tabs

[lunar dawn]

mhh update the bios?

[main glacier]

i did

[lunar dawn]

alright then

[main glacier]

i need to get a gaming motherboard

to have xmp

[supple bane]

eh

[supple bane]

GaMiNg motherboards isnt the qualification for xmp

for intel its just any z chipset

z690. z590 etc

or x chipsets i guess but i doubt you have a HEDT cpu

but B series and H series do not have xmp as they do not support overclocking. but gaming boards have nothing to do with that. they are just a gimmick to grab more money

[quick locust]

iirc newer B series has it

Like B560

And B660 whenever it comes I guess

[main glacier]

@supple banenot true

i just searched online b360 gaming and i got xmp and everything

like

b360 mortar

[supple bane]

well if b360 supports it then all b360 boards will support it

[main glacier]

no

[supple bane]

unlesss you have a really really cheap board

[main glacier]

yea

its a hundred

[supple bane]

google disagrees

people on reddit are saying b360 supports a max of 2666

[main glacier]

so?

[supple bane]

what speed are you trying to achieve ?

[main glacier]

xmp

[supple bane]

yes but what speed??

[main glacier]

idk

[supple bane]

xmp just makes the ram kit run at is factory rated speed

[main glacier]

yea

[supple bane]

so what speed is your ram kit?

[main glacier]

2400

[supple bane]

if you open task manager does it say your memory is running at 2133?

on performance -> memory -> bottom right

[main glacier]

i mean its 2666 ram and on task manager its 2400

[supple bane]

right.

i dont really know what to say to you. if your board doesnt support ram overclocking then there isnt anything you can do

going from 2400 to 2666 wont make any difference to performance anyway

very minimal improvement

[lunar dawn]

depending also on cas latency

[supple bane]

thats true

even still, frequency is generally the bigger decider for performance in games.

[eager sun]

i once tested 3200C16 vs 3600C18 3600C18 was +-10% better read/write/copy and <2% worse on latency so frequency is the most important part

[lunar dawn]

depends also on the load, amd also cares more about latency i think

[main glacier]

also u can change the latency in bios

[lunar dawn]

to a certain point

i mean not all ram can handle very low latency at high mts

[supple bane]

its very possible your ram wont even be able to reach the rated xmp speeds

especially on a cheap board with poor power delivery

[latent light]

AMD to unveil Ryzen 9 6980HX, Ryzen 9 6900HX & Ryzen 7 6800H Rembrandt mobile APUs along with Radeon RX 6900M mobile GPU at CES 2022

6980HX will be the first Ryzen to have advertised boost of 5 GHz

[toxic wigeon]

H?

[lunar dawn]

mobile cpu perhaps

[bold meteor]

oh

[quick locust]

H is higher tdp mobile

Opposite of U

One of the few things where amd and intel use same letter for same thing

[supple bane]

intel and amd do the same in a lot of ways

they both use the same; 3, 5, 7, 9 naming scheme mainly

[latent light]

Yeah AMD named Ryzen like that to make it more directly comparable to Intel CPUs unlike the old FX or A6/A8/A10 series CPUs

Ryzen 6000 laptop CPUs are very different from Ryzen 6000 desktop CPUs

Laptop CPUs use a new enhanced 6nm node but doesn't have 3D cache, while the desktop ones use same old 7nm node but has 3D cache

[quick locust]

https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/intel-alder-lake-thread-director-support-coming-to-linux

[pale quartz]

RIP AVX512

power virus finally getting cleansed!

[latent light]

Ryzen 6000 Rembrandt laptop APU on the right, Navi 22 6nm GPU on the left

Navi 22 refreshed on 6nm is exclusive to laptops

Rembrandt is too

[quick locust]

13th has it all enabled i think

issue with alder lake is that sunny cove supports it while the little cores dont

[pale quartz]

nope its dead

killed off by intel on microcode

[quick locust]

yes on 12th

[pale quartz]

https://twitter.com/IgorWallossek/status/1476981174530711556?t=dBa2HQTSu3-FrHVA70Q9pw&s=19

Igor Wallossek (@IgorWallossek)

Intel is now set to disable "AVX-512" completely on all Alder Lake CPUs with an upcoming microcode update in new BIOS releases.

https://t.co/8bYTCsUNDm

Twitter · Dec 31, 2021, 6:18 PM

[quick locust]

yes

[pale quartz]

oh you mean rpl, it wont have it

ADL was supposed to have it fused off to begin with

[quick locust]

i know

cause of the issue i said

with only sunny cove cores supporting it

[pale quartz]

^

itll be gone from RPL

[quick locust]

No, at least from data so far

Since it will solve the issue of the small cores

[pale quartz]

yeah you dont physically get rid of it in the BIOS like this unless you intend to get rid of it

you could already disable the e cores

[quick locust]

I know

But it was not on the validation plan

for alder lake

It works but never went through validation process

Due to change of plans

The issue is alder lake specific so it was not removed from rocket lake

[pale quartz]

eh, not so much

RKL already had AVX512 clock limits implemented in the bios

[quick locust]

I know, but it was validated there

while it was removed from it on alder lake

[pale quartz]

since when have intel physically disabled features in the microcode because it wasnt validated?

[quick locust]

Due to Gracemont and being removed from the plan

[pale quartz]

no as in since when have intel ever, physically done a microcode update to disable a feature

because it wasnt validated

[quick locust]

Hm, not sure when they did it before

going to ask an engineer

[quick locust]

cxl.mem I think?

Also on sunny cove

[pale quartz]

was only done on the kernel

[latent light]

Gonna be weird with Intel dropping support of AVX-512 and Zen 4 introducing support for it

Tho Zen 4 might only support it on Genoa

[main glacier]

Boat

[prisma anvil]

Just disable e cores and do avx512 lol

[waxen cove]

Technology

[queen gyro]

What are the controls to chat for Xbox?

[toxic wigeon]

What does Avx512 do?

[pale quartz]

it's an SIMD ISA that essentially exists to accelerate parallel computation loads

avx512 isn't the issue, it's the fact that consumer processors are artificially power limited on regular ISAs because of the bottleneck 512 has on clock speeds

[faint cove]

Hey why is my name Cod destroyer

[humble iris]

Got my Matrix Fix! https://p1.builds.gg/builds_pictures/14000/14981/197999/197999_1000.jpg

[quick locust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUlzQD_K570&ab_channel=YANGCOMKorea

[toxic wigeon]

Wtf

[quick locust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rlg4K16ujFw&ab_channel=LinusTechTips

they mention 2042 lol

it doesnt run cause DICE hasn't enabled EAC for proton

[latent light]

AMD to Launch Ryzen 6000 “Rembrandt” APUs on the 5th of January: A Total of 24 SKUs from 28-45W TDP

[prime jasper]

Radeon 7000 are launching with mcm

Its gonna fuse two chips on one die

But here i am still havent gotten my 6700 xt yet

😦

[prime jasper]

Its an instruction set geared to content creation, coding and stuff

Intel implemented on their xeon chips way back in the day

[latent light]

RX 7000 series GPUs are gonna work very similarly to MCM based Ryzen CPUs, infinity fabric connects the chips for communication

[prime jasper]

Similar to how the hd 7990 worked i suppose

But instead of registering as two gpus its one now

[latent light]

HD 7990 has 2 different GPU substrates, each with their own GPU chip

In the case of RX 7000 series, there's 2 GPU chips on one substrate

[prime jasper]

Yep or like the gtx 590

[latent light]

HD 6990/7990 and GTX 590/690 were just 2 graphics cards together in one, they didn't have an interconnect that makes them behave like 1 GPU

[prime jasper]

You know your stuff well @latent light

[prisma anvil]

I am interested. However idk how well it will do irl tho

Ryzen cpu's ram latency is alot.

[latent light]

No programs will be able to detect that Navi 31 is 2 seperate GPU chiplets, all software will read it as 1 GPU

[prisma anvil]

Even now cause of drivers etc ryzen gpu struggles in pushing high fps in esports game sometimes.

Like certain spots in a map etc

[prime jasper]

It depends on optimizations too

[prisma anvil]

Turning SAM off they tank fps alot in some areas.

[prime jasper]

Radeon gpu*

Ryzen cpu

[prisma anvil]

Yeah Radeon

[vapid estuary]

All they need is better driver optimisation like nvidia

[latent light]

Nvidia has a bigger problem with that actually, driver overhead

[prime jasper]

SAM is a feature to allow your cpu to access the gpus full bandwidth

[prisma anvil]

I know.

[prime jasper]

It might help in some games, wont help in others

[prime jasper]

Did you see hardware unboxed vid about that?

[prisma anvil]

I turned my rebar on and got more fps in BFV HZD and of course timespy

[haughty tusk]

🤓

[latent light]

SAM seems more like something made for work stuff, not gaming imo

Biggest performance gain I've ever seen from SAM was like 5% for gaming lol

[prisma anvil]

https://youtu.be/8cz7KsSfYQU

Look at the difference lol

[prime jasper]

On forza horizon 4, you could get a 7% increase i fps

In*

[prisma anvil]

The lows....

[prime jasper]

And in some amd sponsored titles

[prisma anvil]

Hopefully amd get their drivers right lol

[prime jasper]

There can only be one grim here @latent light 😛

[prisma anvil]

Also man my friend uses alot of tabs

When I overclock his alderlake cpu have have to leave the e cores enabled

Welp no high overclocks for his cpu on the ring

50 tabs enjoyer

I was wishing for a 5.0ghz ring OC but now we porb can only get 4.2 on a good day

[simple delta]

Hello, I have a problem, I have linked all the necessary accounts to obtain the prime gaming loot for Battlefield 2042. But it does not let me, I have done everything as it says. Does this happen to someone else?

It is bugged or should I wait more time?

I linked my epic games account to ea because I bought BF 2042 in Epic Games store so I think it is the problem but I don't know

[prisma anvil]

Radeon gpu infinity fabric overclock? That's actually sounds cool.

Will it be a lottery like the current amd cpu? Lol

[prime jasper]

I like wattman better than nvidia shitty control panel

[prisma anvil]

I agree control panel feels soo outdated

It just works tho

[prime jasper]

Wattman has so much more things you can customize

[prisma anvil]

I tested ryzen cpus infinity fabric oc at 1:1:1 I topped off at one 3600 three 3733 and one at 3800.

If I get a ryzen cpu that can do 4000...

[latent light]

My 1600AF can do CL14 3200

[prisma anvil]

Not bad.

My best is 3733 cl14 on 5800x 1T. But I have to out a fan on ram

[latent light]

I used to think I had a very bad IMC because couldn't run a 2666 CL15 kit stable but it turned out that RAM was borked

[prisma anvil]

Man I see alot of ram break recently

A custom built one of the 4 royals broke.

And one of my friends Dom plat is doa

[latent light]

Zen 2 IMC was an incremental upgrade over Zen+ tbh

Zen 3 is pretty good tho

[prisma anvil]

Zen3 is better

But from an skylake core user I was like wtf

Imagine if I try to tune a 11th gen

Then I'd be like zen3 imc is not bad!

[latent light]

Intel IMC was so terrible until 8th gen

[prisma anvil]

I haven't tried anything before 9th gen haha

I was a noob back then

I can try on my friend's 6600k but too much work

[latent light]

6th gen was a joke

[prisma anvil]

Imc?

[latent light]

Could barely run 2400

[prisma anvil]

Really? My friend got his Microcenter prebuilt in 2016 and he has been running 3000 cl15 ever since

And yes Microcenter enabled xmp

What a great company

[latent light]

I seen 7700K users complaining that they couldn't run 3 GHz RAM

[prisma anvil]

Is it because of board?

[latent light]

Then again, Ryzen 1000 couldn't either

You had to be lucky to run RAM stable at 3 GHz in 2016/early 2017

[prisma anvil]

I hope ddr5 is like this

They make alot faster ones later.

[latent light]

DDR5 should reach 10 GHz in 2023

8 GHz is coming this year

[prisma anvil]

I hope. Cause micron Rev a can't even do mid 5000 and needs voltage to be jacked

Hynix making money moves

[latent light]

Looks like you need DDR5-6000 CL36 to beat an average kit of DDR4 in gaming

[prisma anvil]

Yeah sk hynix ic

Good luck finding those tho

🤌

Newegg shuffle? 🥲

[supple bane]

its always the same with a new ram launch

give it a year and ddr4 will be as ancient as ddr3 is now

ddr4 was slower than ddr3 at launch

[latent light]

DDR4 bandwidth was higher than DDR3 when it launched but latency was bad

[vapid rune]

How would this run bf1 / bf5 / bf2042
Ryzen 5 3700x
2x8gb 3200MHZ
Msi rtx 3060ti gamingZ trio 8gb

[coarse nimbus]

ddr5 10 ghz? will you need to take out a 2nd mortgage for that one?

[quick locust]

Not GHz but MT/s

[eager sun]

buildzoid explains in one of his videos that using MT/s is just as wrong

[quick locust]

yes

but so is GHz

(well, no, but it would be half what they said)

[eager sun]

the correct term is to use megabit thats the unit of every other memory speed specification

i think he mentioned that MT/s only exist in micron datasheets and people started using it for some reason xd

[quick locust]

well

you could refer by MHz too

it'd just be half

Since it's DDR

just annoying that marketers use it wrong, like DDR4 4133 MHz when they mean another

this is where the PC4 naming makes more sense

since it's just the transfer in bytes (3600 times 8 = 28800)

[eager sun]

yea right at this point its too late to change something anyways people get confused when you actually use the correct terminology

[quick locust]

yeah

I use PC4-28800 memory

😛

[eager sun]

I use PC4-32000 then lmao

[quick locust]

nice

couldn't get my kit that high

not on this board at least

[eager sun]

does PC4 actually mean something or is it just for recognition between different ddr generations ?

[quick locust]

ddr4

ddr3 is PC3

and so on

[eager sun]

ah just waht i thought is there more meaning behind PC ?

or is it just well ram goes into pc lets use PC and then number of ddr generation xd

[prime jasper]

Pretty decent i’d say, i run a 5600x and a gtx 1660 super and get 80-95 fps on low

If i can get that with my specs, no reason you cant with your specs

[prisma anvil]

128 conquest hmmm around 90-100 being optimistic

[prime jasper]

Battlefield has always been heavy on the cpu, as long as you dont have an old cpu, you’ll do just fine

[marsh gull]

3700x?

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah why the 3700x?

[solar kestrel]

3060 ti ? max settings

[humble iris]

probably could max settings at 1080P

depending on CPU

[main glacier]

whats a good frequency for cpu

i have 3.9

[humble iris]

depends on the CPU

[humble iris]

which one do you have?

[main glacier]

i5 9400

f

6cores 6 threads

[humble iris]

So you overclocked to 3.9 base clock, or that's turbo

[main glacier]

turbo

base clock is 2.9

[quick locust]

Just let it run as it does default

[main glacier]

is it fine for bf

[humble iris]

yeah you're good it should turbo to 4.1 on 1 core I believe

[quick locust]

Hyperthreading/SMT would help, and it's not that high clocked

[main glacier]

idk how to put it on 1 core

[quick locust]

It already runs default turbo

[humble iris]

no it does it automatically

[quick locust]

No need to change anything

Besides XMP if you forgot that

[main glacier]

i dont have overclocking in my bios

or xmp

[humble iris]

Then it is what it is

Do you have the game already?

[prisma anvil]

If you have enough cooling and power you can remove power limit and max out the short and long turbo power duration thingy

[humble iris]

I think it's locked BIOS, and the CPU is also not a K model

[main glacier]

what game

[prisma anvil]

Yeah that's how I tune non k model

That's all u can do

[humble iris]

You asked if it was fine for BF

[prisma anvil]

Doing that my friend's 9700f will clock to 4.5ghz all core

Indefinitely

[humble iris]

oh yeah, sorry I misunderstood, yeah max cooling will allow max performance.

[humble iris]

do you have the game you asked about?

[prisma anvil]

So I think 9400f best it can do is 3.9ghz all core.

Indefinitely

[humble iris]

I've never worked with a 9400f only a 9600K

[main glacier]

yeah i have bf2042

[humble iris]

So how is it working for you?

[main glacier]

bad

[humble iris]

What GPU?

[supple bane]

its 6c6t

thats the problem

[main glacier]

gtx 1050 2gb

[supple bane]

nvm

thats the problem

[prisma anvil]

Lol

[quick locust]

Yikes

[prisma anvil]

Big oof

[main glacier]

im poor

[humble iris]

run on low settings at lower resolution like 1680x1050

[prisma anvil]

Manual NIS jk

[humble iris]

2GB Vram is not good over that

1080P maybe, Maybe.

[prisma anvil]

Wait can he NIS from 720 to 1080p?

[supple bane]

i heard somewhere that the 4gb 1650 gets like 10 fps or something? because of vram bottlenecks. so a 2gb card would really struggle

[humble iris]

well with settings on low it will use less vram

I don't even use half my 8GB

[supple bane]

it will

the problem is tho he will still be cpu bottlenecked. even with a 1050 i think. and lowering the resolution wont help that

like i said, 6c6t

[humble iris]

sometimes lowering res, and raising settings will shift back to GPU, but I have not tested.

I could test it on 1650 Super or 1050TI on 9600K

[supple bane]

my understanding is this: the cpu has a maximum theoretical framerate in the game. if the gpus potential framerate is above this then you have a cpu bottleneck. however no tweaking of the settings can increase this for the cpu. it only affects the gpu max framerate.

[humble iris]

but really don't feel like it

[supple bane]

correction, settings will have an affect, but its tiny compared to what it does for the gpu

[humble iris]

if it's cpu bound then lowering resolution will do 1 of 2 things, shift more load onto CPU, or Alleviate load on the CPU

[supple bane]

the load might change but the fps wont.

if his cpu is already at that "maximum potential framerate" he could increase the gpu load for sure, but it wont increases the fps

it could well stay the same.. but wont go up

[humble iris]

I don't know what the OP's computer experience level is so.. it depends on that

[main glacier]

what motherboard should i get

[supple bane]

motherboard doesnt affect performance

unless you are thinking of upgrading the cpu

[humble iris]

do you own the 9400f?

[main glacier]

yeah

[quick locust]

B360 or H370 for that

[main glacier]

i have the b360 currently

[humble iris]

instead of motherboard go for 9600k or newer

[quick locust]

Then just keep that

[main glacier]

i would like to have overclocking so i can put on hyper threading

[quick locust]

That's not how it works

[humble iris]

you could go 9700k

[quick locust]

HT is disabled by Intel on that cpu, can't enable it

[supple bane]

super not worth it with a 1050 lol

[humble iris]

true

[quick locust]

Also 9400 is locked anyway

[humble iris]

I don't know that B360 has overclocking

[supple bane]

supposedly it has xmp to an extent

no cpu overclocking tho

but the maximum supported memory speed is 2666 so xmp isnt going to do a whole lot either

[humble iris]

I'm thinking 9700 or 9700k cpu on that board 9900k will be waste

[quick locust]

He will still be limited by 2 gb vram

[supple bane]

he could get a 12400f when they launch, would be much cheaper and would probably out perform those

[quick locust]

Or just normal 12400

[humble iris]

I don't think it's compatible

[quick locust]

They usually cost same as non f

[quick locust]

No it isn't

12th is 1700 socket

[humble iris]

B360 only goes to 9 series I think

[supple bane]

i know

gpu should still be the main line of enquiry tho

he could go to a 3060 with his current cpu

[humble iris]

isnt that also DDR5 or does 12th work on 590 chipset

would be cheaper to get a playstation or xbox at this point cost thousands to play 1 game

[supple bane]

it would be much cheaper to get a ps5 yes

[humble iris]

stupid market sucks

[supple bane]

[humble iris]

I just don't see a reasonable upgrade path for the OP

Maybe play 2142 instead, it's a great game

and it's 100 years in the future

[supple bane]

more years more better

[humble iris]

for sure

I just really think the 9400F would be fine, maybe just a better GPU

[supple bane]

i agree

[humble iris]

at least it wouldn't be a waste, it can be carried over to a new build later

I've not tried any of AMD's new GPU's seem to be cost effective

maybe a 6600xt 8GB

[main glacier]

and does it work for bf5?

[quick locust]

12th is only lga 1700

590 is lga 1200

[main glacier]

also i have a micro atx case

i should get an atx one?

[lunar dawn]

12th gen uses z690

its a different chipset

[quick locust]

And socket

[latent light]

https://videocardz.com/newz/evga-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-kingpin-to-require-dual-12-pin-power-connectors

This 3090Ti could theoretically consume up to 1275 watts of power

[quick locust]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[main glacier]

i could get an i5 9600k its 6c6t the base clock is 3.7GHz and turbo clock is 4.6GHz, its around 200euros and then i could get a Z390 motherboard that is around 150eur

is it a good choice?

[quick locust]

No not worth it when better platforms exist

Not worth it going 9400 to 9600K

[orchid folio]

At this point, just plug it into a generator

[toxic wigeon]

Jesus christ

[latent light]

@main glacier just so you know, even $60 Celeron based 12th gen Alder-Lake will slaughter the 9600K

[toxic wigeon]

1275 kw....

It better be a good card

[latent light]

It's meant for breaking world records

Needs 2 power supplies

[toxic wigeon]

Do we have an estimated price?

[latent light]

$5000 minimum

Up to 10K

[toxic wigeon]

Tch

That card better last, especially with what you have to do for it

[latent light]

It won't last with that high of power consumption

[toxic wigeon]

Why so? Will it kill the psu or itself?

[latent light]

High power hardware like that generally doesn't have a long life

[prisma anvil]

No wonder evga halved their warranty

Well mine is still 10 years muhahaha

[lunar dawn]

what can even cool 1300 watts

ln2?

[prisma anvil]

It's not gonna consume that much power.

I don't see it drawing over 700ish watt unless exotic cooling

People flash their 3080ti and 3090 already with 1k w bios

Like me lol

[lunar dawn]

but why

1kw is basiically 1/4 of what my house uses lol

[latent light]

Inevitably gonna kill that card

[prisma anvil]

Get #2 in timespy also I only drew 540w

1k w bios doesn't mean it draws 1000w it means the card will now allow you draw up to 1000w

[latent light]

Yeah you won't draw near 1000 watts unless your GPU has the proper power delivery

[prisma anvil]

Cooling is most important

I barely increased my score

[latent light]

PCIe cables can go above their rated power spec for a very small fraction of a second

[prisma anvil]

A good power cable can go up to 300W

Although rated 150W

Not to mention evga being evga have fuses that will blow if you go over around 20ish amp

And alot of evga card has load balancing issue as well

Mine has it too although not super bad

[latent light]

EVGA been having those issues since the GTX 1000 series

I remember EVGA 1080 and 1070 catching on fire

[prisma anvil]

My daily is using 450w standard bios and a 1v lock at 2040mhz

My 3rd 8pin draws 50% of 1st and 2nd.

At least the pcie power delivery is not f ed haha I tested 2 3090 with those issues before

Very sad as it struggles to draw over 400W

[latent light]

Tbh RTX 3000 would have been so much more efficient if it were TSMC 7nm instead of Samsung 8nm

Would have beaten RDNA2 in PPW

[prisma anvil]

Yeah 8nm is abit of a meme

[latent light]

Samsung 8nm is an enhanced 10nm iirc

At least Samsung 5nm is pretty competitive with TSMC in density

[novel light]

Hi guys, I have an i7-7700 and 2042's usage is at 90% all time while playing on lowest settings, got any suggestions to fix?

[prime jasper]

Upgrade your CPU

[novel light]

i7 not good enough? I presume most players have something in that area

[quick locust]

7700 is 4c8t

which is quite limiting in 2042

[prime jasper]

Y’all mfs are still using intel cpus?

[quick locust]

Me? Yes

Though some years old

[prime jasper]

I’m pretty sure that the ryzen 5 is way better then a i7 and costs less

[quick locust]

depends which

[prime jasper]

Just the base ryzen 5

[quick locust]

which one of them

and which i7

[prime jasper]

I got my ryzen 5 for like $500

[quick locust]

which

[prime jasper]

This is sadly not how game requirements work

[quick locust]

https://tenor.com/view/could-you-be-specific-gif-8866815

[prime jasper]

Will this run BF2042

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/37150/intel-core-i7950-processor-8m-cache-3-06-ghz-4-80-gts-intel-qpi.html

Its an i7

[quick locust]

lol

there's a dual core i7 as well

Well a few i think

[prime jasper]

Its 45nm which is like, 9 M1s, or something

[quick locust]

but yeah. 7700 is quite limited nowadays with 4c/8t

[quick locust]

thats quite a bit for most of them

[prime jasper]

Yes but I get 100 frames on bf42

[prisma anvil]

Zen3 is good. Zen2 and before have low IPC and clock speed. Which is bad for gaming.

100 fps is about what a 8th gen intel 8700k can do

Matched with standard ram and power limited removed, 0 oc

[prime jasper]

Yeah but i have WiFi worse then a populated city with T-Mobile

[quick locust]

which has nothing to do with it

[prisma anvil]

That has 0 to do with fps.

I literally tuned and overclocked people's ryzen cpu on this discord lol

[prime jasper]

Actually a lower download speed means you can’t download the frames as fast, more lag = less frames per second

This is factual

^

Objectively

[prisma anvil]

What's ur cpu lol

[prime jasper]

If you want a real game changer for BF2042 get a good mousepad

Ryzen 5 with 64 threads

[prisma anvil]

Which ryzen 5 have 64 threads lol

[prime jasper]

Nah I’m running the beer coaster 3000

[prisma anvil]

Yeah he is trolling.

[prime jasper]

Not about that

[quick locust]

ryzen 5 3970X obviously

[prisma anvil]

Ryzen 5 lol

[prime jasper]

fun fact that chip was actually designed by Intel

look it up

Intel still sucks I don’t need a cpu

I’m gonna take mine out

[prisma anvil]

Intel alderlake runs laps around the best ryzen

[prime jasper]

you can put a graham cracker in that slot until zen 4 drops

Then just get the uhhh universal CPU slot changer so you can put zen 4 in your AM4 socket

pending availability

[prime jasper]

Yeah but I can overclock my cpu way more then a i9

supply chain issues 🙄

[latent light]

Ryzen 6000 series announcement is less than 48 hours away

[prime jasper]

Whats ryzen 6000

[prisma anvil]

I'll see it to believe it.

[prime jasper]

I just got a 5800x

Did I get scammed

[latent light]

Faster than Intel 12th gen in gaming but not workloads

[prime jasper]

Prob some rtx titan type thing

i don’t do any work so that’s fine

[prisma anvil]

Alderlake will be faster than zen3D cache

[prime jasper]

4D cache about to be lit

🔥

💀

[latent light]

Zen 3D 12-core more than 15% faster than 5900X

[quick locust]

wait until you see 9D scores in CineMaXX

[prisma anvil]

In certain game alderlake is 50% faster than 10th gen

[prime jasper]

yeah games nobody plays like CSGO and idk, valorant

🙄

[prisma anvil]

Cherry pick ur benchmark

I'll say zen3d is faster when people test it out

[latent light]

Alder-Lake key advantage is being on a new socket so longer support

[prime jasper]

Would you say sticking your gaming lab top in the freezer after playing 20 minutes of bf42 is something I should worry about because it sounds like a jet engine

The only thing intel’s got going for it is that I like the color blue more than the color red

[prime jasper]

This will break your freezer

What?

Humidity

It will make your laptop wet

[prisma anvil]

Honestly gaming wise idk why people are sooo into amd. Fully tuned 10th gen intel can match or beat zen3 max tuned most of the time.

[prime jasper]

Yes but literally it won’t stop heating up

[prisma anvil]

People just keep on listen to mainstream tech tubers

[prime jasper]

Pls send help

[prisma anvil]

3200 cl16 gang gang

Jayztwocents : ram speed don't matter

[latent light]

i9-12900K is only 9% faster than a Ryzen 9 5900X at 1080p based on an average taken from over 40 different games

[prisma anvil]

🤣

[prisma anvil]

Yeah untuned

[prime jasper]

Besides that, who spends €500 on a cpu and then plays on 1080p 🤮 🤢

[latent light]

12th gen doesnt have much OC headroom

[prisma anvil]

Huge cache oc room

[latent light]

No CPUs really have OC headroom anymore

[prisma anvil]

Huge cache oc headroom, gear 1 headroom

Grim gram u just look at numbers on the internet and never actually test out cpus

[latent light]

Present the evidence then

[prime jasper]

Grim gram why don’t you buy every single cpu to form a valid opinion

[latent light]

[prisma anvil]

Sure. 12900k with e cores disabled can have cache oc of 5ghz and memory controller oc in gear one to almost 4000

[prime jasper]

I personally do not want to OC, I just want a low wattage CPU that performs good

[prisma anvil]

https://youtu.be/559URByA3rQ

Also I personally tuned a bunch of zen2 zen3 intel 8-10th gen cpu a before.

Literally 10th gen been match fps of zen3 in most games esp esports with better lows

https://youtu.be/zIfjzTRNK2Y

[latent light]

Kinda at a point to where esports games dont need new hardware to reach 240+ fps

[prisma anvil]

Tell that to warzone

Well games that have alot of players

Like 2042 etc

[latent light]

Software advancements like Nvidia Reflex are more important imo

[prime jasper]

Warzone isn’t an esports game

[latent light]

I'm waiting for Zen 4 or Raptor-Lake, gonna settle on either a R7 or i7 for 5+ years

[prisma anvil]

I think I'll stick with my 10850k till 2024

[prime jasper]

I just upgraded to a 5800x which cost me €210 new, will sell it when Zen 4 drops and go for either R7 or R9

[latent light]

I remember seeing the 10850K at $299 in microcenter

[prime jasper]

Then have that last me a couple of years at least

Hopefully DDR5 is good by then

[prisma anvil]

Yeah 10850k was 299 at Microcenter

12700k was 299 as well

[quick locust]

Wish we had microcenter equivalent

[prisma anvil]

Anyone making a new PC near Microcenter with a decent budget doesn't go 12700k is

[latent light]

12600K is good too

[quick locust]

8700K to 12700K would be decent jump for me maybe

[prisma anvil]

Yes but 8700k still hangs

[quick locust]

They both are around 500 usd mark retail

[prisma anvil]

6 cores 12 threads

[quick locust]

550 for 12700K rn

[prisma anvil]

With a delid and oc ur good man

Oof

[quick locust]

I think 8700K was 520 at launch but i forgot

[prisma anvil]

8th gen is when intel still using Elmer glue for Tim

[quick locust]

Yeah

[prisma anvil]

Delid a 4690k 21c drop. Delid a 10850k + rookit cool copper ihs, 11c drop

[quick locust]

Though I'm not thermally limited anyway

[latent light]

Man 4th gen Intel CPUs had awful TIM paste

Not too terrible when CPU was new but over a couple years it dries

[lofty light]

I used to have to swap the TIM on old bulldozer AMD machines at my workplace quite frequently, it'd get so bad after a couple years it'd cause overheating on idle

[latent light]

Bulldozer had solder TIM

[lofty light]

Ah, was referring to the stock paste between it and the cooler

[humble iris]

After the PC I just spent all day troubleshooting, I now know why some folks have so many issues with computers, one thing after another all day. finally uninstalled the CPU to find goop all the way up into the heatsink fins, bent pins, burnt pins, ram in wrong slots, 2nd gpu half way installed missing a 6-pin power, EPS connector half way seated. the list just goes on and on. still no POST.

FX-6300

[gentle frost]

If anyone on here knows about origin and PCs and is willing to help me with an issue I’m having after changing which hard drive my game is installed on, I’d really appreciate the help sometime tomorrow

[humble iris]

what is the issue?

Origin I believe will automatically move the files, or you can move them to the appropriate folder, then origin should verify the files.

[lofty kindle]

so i want to upgrade my cpu but dont know what to go for, i was thinking about a ryzen 5 5600x and a ryzen 7 5700g, but which is better?

[humble iris]

Depends on the use case, 5700G has better multi-Thread performance, 5600X has slightly (very slightly) better single core performance. what's the price difference if that matters, I would probably go with 5700G personally for the extra cores/threads but I have not researched any benchmarks of what I would use it for.

[lofty kindle]

ok, price between these two is not more than 60, but i mainly want to game

[humble iris]

5600X is probably just a smidge better in games. some games. I doubt most people would even notice the difference. but for everything else the 5700G will beat it most likely

[lofty kindle]

ok thx for your help imma go for the 5700g

[humble iris]

I would watch some trusted reviewers like Gamers Nexus etc..

[quick locust]

5700G has two more cores but less cache

worse per core performance than 5600x

[humble iris]

very slight

[quick locust]

5600X does better in 2042 cause of it

but not by much

[humble iris]

I figured it might go backwards on 2042, a few frames. I like multicore better

well actually it's on par with every other game

5600X will get about 5-10 fps

[quick locust]

yes its small difference in most

[humble iris]

doesnt 5700G have onboard graphics as well and 5600Xt does not?

5800X would be best

[quick locust]

yes all -G are APUs

less cache but vega graphics

[humble iris]

I would spring for 5800X

[quick locust]

Yes, depending on price

also its just -X

-XT is only zen 2

which was useless upgrade

like 3600xt

even more useless than rocket lake

[humble iris]

looks like $30 more from 5700G to 5800x

[quick locust]

decent

there's more difference between AMD's apu and normal variants than intel's F and non F (which is litterally the same die)

[humble iris]

well intel has like F/K/KF

[quick locust]

yeah but F is litterally the same as non F beside graphics

while AMDs butcher caches on their apus

[humble iris]

right F means not Graphics

[quick locust]

yes its fused off

same die just disabled

[humble iris]

k means unlocked, KF unlocked no graphics

[quick locust]

not much point in buying F usually, at least here

costs the same

[humble iris]

there is also S and a million other crap

yeah same here sometimes cost more for less

[quick locust]

yeah, doesnt make much sense to buy F unless discounted

[humble iris]

I only usually get HEDT anyway, and either K or X models and never have graphics

[quick locust]

yeah HEDT doesn't have it on both amd and intel

[humble iris]

I miss it at times when I repurpose and have to had a gpu

[quick locust]

different die than desktop variants

[humble iris]

I always use a GT710 so it at least will have NVENC

[quick locust]

Except for AMD of course, but they don't include graphics anyway

ah

yeah though that is older nvenc

[humble iris]

a little bit, but still just for an onboard-ish gpu

[quick locust]

yeah

[humble iris]

and some worth function

I'm currently on X99 with 5930K

waiting for a 6950X

which will max out this platform

it will also take Xeon CPUs, but the 6950X is about the best CPU for X99

[quick locust]

ah

getting a bit old yeah

[humble iris]

still maxing out 2042

I thought I would be building a new one at 5 years, and here I am at 7 still going good, the 6950X should near double workstation type workloads with a little overclock. and give a little gaming performance to boot.

[quick locust]

I'm kind of limited by 8700K in 2042

[humble iris]

Having Quad Channel Memory, and mult-core I think was a good choice for futureproofing

[quick locust]

but still decently playable

[humble iris]

8700K should be a bit better then mine

[quick locust]

would have upgraded already if I was on 7700K

[humble iris]

I guess it also depends on GPU and resolution

I'm on 2080 @ 1080P

getting well over 100fps

I cap fps at 140 for g-sync

[quick locust]

friend of mine is still on i7 5775C

which is still ok ish

I'm on 2080 ti at 2560x1440

getting around 80-100

using ULMB instead of gsync for 2042

[humble iris]

what's ULMB

[quick locust]

ultra low motion blur

[humble iris]

I always turn off motion blur

[quick locust]

that website was bad

[humble iris]

bad?

[quick locust]

https://blurbusters.com/faq/motion-blur-reduction/

there

backlight strobing

[humble iris]

is this a monitor technology

mine has MPRT

[quick locust]

yeah

works decent

doesn't work with variable with most though

so no gsync while enabled

but works decently for me

I just use gsync in most games though

[humble iris]

Apparently my monitor has ELMB as well

Extreme Low Motion Blur

thank you for sending me down a rabbit hole. lol..

[quick locust]

it was just nondescriptive

the first i sent

[humble iris]

yep here it is my manual.

Motion Blur) function. This function is available when the refresh rate is
85Hz, 100Hz or 120Hz.
To activate ELMB, turn off Adaptive-Sync/FreeSync function first.```

[humble iris]

okay, I was hoping it didnt have a malware or something

[quick locust]

No, just not very useful lol

[humble iris]

only problem I have using the ELMB is using 3 displays and can't really just use the function keys on the back of the monitor

have to sort of reach under and up with nub fingers

[quick locust]

ah

i just use single monitor rn

[toxic wigeon]

So how do you know a b550 needs an update?

[quick locust]

Some brands has software for it

otherwise check website for version

[toxic wigeon]

Weird

[quick locust]

then see your version compared to website

though brands like gigabyte, asus etc has software to check and update as well

[toxic wigeon]

Ahhh!

[quick locust]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-arc-a380-desktop-graphics-benchmark-leaks-almost-as-fast-as-rtx-3050-ti-laptop-gpu?__cf_chl_tk=kxVlVSbfqyV6NAWMqSCRLHeitgIlL.EbXPz77jrZb2o-1641215147-0-gaNycGzNCb0

[prime jasper]

Almost

[prisma anvil]

8700k oc It to around 4.8ghz all core. 4.5 ghz ring.

Should be good.

This speed most 8700k can hit easily with daily voltage.

[rotund sorrel]

maybe if it's still doesn't work maybe have a look https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxqc9QJgThY

@stuck tangle

[stuck tangle]

hm

i just deleted it tho

[rotund sorrel]

cool

Try re-install

and do what's in the vid

[stuck tangle]

OK so I do need to do what's in that video

[rotund sorrel]

yep

[toxic wigeon]

With the new AMD gen being released soon i'm wondering if i should just wait for the new gen to release

[stuck tangle]

I press the link

Valorant ad comes up

[rotund sorrel]

oh noe

Youtube one ?

[stuck tangle]

Why does the guy who's commentary he looks like familiar

Yea

[rotund sorrel]

it's youtube ads it's fine

[prisma anvil]

Honestly I'd wait. However am4 it's at end of platform. But z690 won't support pass raptor lake.

But currently alderlake is faster in gaming and more power efficient.

And u don't even have to go ddr5. In fact unless you get sk hynix ic for DDR5, a good ddr4 like 3600 cl16 should win in games.

[stuck tangle]

ok @rotund sorrel do i need to drag the whole file to system32?

[rotund sorrel]

The DLL one yes

[stuck tangle]

k

like the whole downloaded file

[rotund sorrel]

Is it .DLL file yes

If it's .ZIP uncompress it first

[rotund sorrel]

Yeah extract

[stuck tangle]

extract files or extract here

WinRar

[rotund sorrel]

here and then copy

[stuck tangle]

copied then?

copied then paste in the System32?

[rotund sorrel]

Well

[rotund sorrel]

No cuz you downloaded the 64 bit one

Maybe try copy that to SysWOW64

if it doesn't work download the 32 bit one and copy it to System32

[stuck tangle]

but i have 64

this internet is truly pain

[rotund sorrel]

😦

[rotund sorrel]

Could work or not

idk for sure

Try both

[stuck tangle]

ok since the File wont process thru properly so i have uncompressed it and its in my folder files which is not .zip so i copy that and paste in the thing

SystemWowthing

[rotund sorrel]

yeah

[stuck tangle]

but theres MACOS something

[rotund sorrel]

hmmm

Idk what is that xD

[stuck tangle]

_MACOSX

[rotund sorrel]

I saw that somewhere

[opaque saddle]

what is that for?

[rotund sorrel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/140933721929940992/927561631578345542/Capture.PNG

[opaque saddle]

coz it is really unusual to download a dll and wanting to make it work

i think you should try windows update...

[stuck tangle]

[rotund sorrel]

Yeah kinda

But it works sometimes

[stuck tangle]

in the video its saying copy 64 bit in System32 and 32 bit in SystemWOW64

[opaque saddle]

it may but it did work once for me (only once).

[rotund sorrel]

[opaque saddle]

coz dll is critical for the library, or even your system

[rotund sorrel]

yeah that system32 folder is dangerous

[opaque saddle]

i wouldn't replace the "malfunctioning" dll with another dll that "may work"

[rotund sorrel]

But I've looked it up on YouTube for that specific error

[opaque saddle]

what it looks like to me, you need to update your system and repair your system

[rotund sorrel]

Not replace

[stuck tangle]

just to get a mic working

[rotund sorrel]

Cuz it might not be there in the first place

[rotund sorrel]

[stuck tangle]

ok so i did what the video says put the file in SysWOW64 now lemme reboot and try again

[rotund sorrel]

cool

[stuck tangle]

I'll just go take a shower and come back

Aigt time to see if it works

@rotund sorrel

[rotund sorrel]

Ok it's kinda solved

but not

Idk about that tbh

😦

[stuck tangle]

[rotund sorrel]

try to google it maybe

[stuck tangle]

k

[stuck tangle]

sergo i tried

it still not working

[midnight crypt]

do a system scan for corrupt files

[rotund sorrel]

[latent light]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ceo-lisa-su-shows-off-ryzen-6000-rembrandt-apu

[gentle frost]

@humble iris yo man im having hella issues getting bf to launch. I moved everything from one hard drive to another and now origin is taking a shit on me.

i got it fixed actually

[latent light]

AMD Radeon RX 6500 XT with 6nm Navi 24 chip to rock a boost clock of 2815 MHz & 18 Gbps video memory

[prisma anvil]

2815 is impressive

[eager sun]

wrong approach

thats not how you fix missing dll errors, after you manually add the missing dll some new error will appear either its another missing dll or 0x00007b

missing dll errors always mean that either all or some visual c++ runtimes are missing, theres a convenient "Visual C++ Redistributable Runtimes All-in-One" package on thechpowerup installing everything in there will fix the problem

[humble iris]

How did you end up fixing It?

[gentle frost]

Apparently you have to go into origin and click download and then for some stupid reason it realizes you do actually have it downloaded and will open the game then, even though the file path isn’t even correct it still recognizes it

[humble iris]

Okay, glad it's working. and saved a ton of bandwidth.

not sure why the Verify files went away in Origin though which is basically what happens.

[quick locust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zouYqxZzkmk&ab_channel=ServeTheHome

[humble iris]

Well it's called Repair in Origin not Verify, So right clicking a game should give option to repair.

[supple bane]

Ryzen embedded?

What's that supposed to mean?

[humble iris]

you can't remove the chip its basically soldered in

EMMC is embedded storage

So some systems are just not upgradeable, but are cheaper most times.

[supple bane]

No. I know the definition of embedded lol. But whats the difference between that and a mobile ryzen cpu i guess?

Those are also embedded

[humble iris]

economic

low power consuption

it doesn't have a screen, you can add hardware

but also some laptops are embedded as well, also it's not really portable, just extra small

[supple bane]

If it means embedded as in an embedded system.

Then its a device that serves one function with specially designed integrated hardware and software. A dslr camera would be an example of such. A laptop doesnt qualify in that case because its a general purpose device

[humble iris]

it just means you can't upgrade it

[supple bane]

not for an embedded system, there is more to it than that

[humble iris]

not really in my opinion it just means its soldered in.

and may contain proprietary components and/or connections

[pale quartz]

not particularly

soldered on chips just means its impossible to upgrade, that's about it, there's no "design specific" reason

[latent light]

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/83640/intel-core-i5-12400-costs-180-beats-i9-11900k-that-500/index.html

11th gen users cope

[coarse nimbus]

that one have the e cores?

[latent light]

No

Just 6 P-cores

[eager whale]

11th Gen moment

[humble iris]

Just because neither CPU is a bottleneck in a handful of games does not mean the 12400 beats the 11900K

I would wait for official reviews and benchmarks

[raw turtle]

it kinda does, but 1080p is a better show

[humble iris]

I agree. but this CPU is unreleased so that review could be false. but I guess it would be nice to grab a cheap CPU that performs better. This would be a bad business move for intel

[raw turtle]

also the 11900k isn’t tuned and there aren’t any info on board specs and ram speeds

i’m mad that the 3600 i just bought is being outclassed this fast

[humble iris]

3600 is a decent CPU don't let marketing and hype dismay you.

if it is performing well for you, that is all that matters

24 years of building computers and all that hype does not affect, in fact in makes my new hobby (How long will my PC make me happy) I pull all the performance I can out of system, minor upgrades if necessary. And save loads of cash. I once spent $12000 in just 2 years on PC components. Lesson Learned!

[raw turtle]

yeah it does alright, but i’ve had weird issues with games like warzone/battlefield v and some other games where my gpu isn’t utilized enough

i doubt it’s CPU but i’ve done so much troubleshooting i’m starting to point fingers

a 2070 shouldn’t be held back that much by a 3600

[humble iris]

what is your Ram Configuration?

[limpid bridge]

PERSISTENCE DATA: Is anyone having an issue with getting past the start screen on BF2042 with an error saying “unable to load persistence data”?

[raw turtle]

that or it’s my mobo, somehow not giving it enough power or throttling it which i wouldn’t be surprised considering it’s a mid range b350

[humble iris]

OMG I quit playing for 2 weeks when BETA started cause I got sick of that, it went away for me, I have seen once since I started back

[raw turtle]

Dual channel overclocked 8gb*2 3000mhz at 16-18-18-18-34

[humble iris]

okay so you are sure it's in Dual Channel mode running that config?

[raw turtle]

yup

[limpid bridge]

@humble iris how did you fix it? I’m on PS5…

[humble iris]

manual overclock or XMP?

[humble iris]

I didnt, like I said it made me quit playing, on PC. it just went away, keep trying to get in

[raw turtle]

manual, tested on MemTest5 with extreme1 anta777 config

[humble iris]

Hard drive or ssd?

Are you getting bad frame rate?

[prisma anvil]

3600 is not that good of a cpu

Also 12400 besting 11900k in gaming wise is not surprising.

12600k with e cores disabled is faster than 12600k with e cores enabled in gaming anyways

12400 is literally just 12600k with e cores disabled and with a power limit and at certain clockspeed , which u can unlock power limit anyways.

[humble iris]

reminds me of intel speedstep back in the day, always disabled it when overclocking.

[prisma anvil]

Yeah these non k cpu are gonna be very power efficient. Like I said 12th gen is more power efficient than Zen3, intel just unlocked the powerlimit to pl2 on k series because every motherboard vendor cheat and ignores intel's spec for generations.

I see some mobo cheat on amd as well

They automatically set pbo to max sometimes

Motherboard vendors literally tries everything to look good in benchmarks. Like over built vrm, ignoring specs, and my fav one, f ING with bclk.

[humble iris]

I had issues with my ram xmp affecting bclk on x99

went through 3 ram kits to get it fixed

[prisma anvil]

Damn

[humble iris]

2666 worked okay, 3000 would not work, 3200 worked like a charm

it just kept overclocking my cpu, once I got the 3200 kit overclock from 3.5 to 4.5 was easy

[toxic wigeon]

Isn't that sorta normal with tech?

[humble iris]

A low end i5 beating a 1 gen older i9 isn't.

that's just bad.

I think it's a hoax

[humble iris]

Well I stand corrected, it looks like this is true. the 12600k already beats the 11900k pretty good in single thread too. So that is on par I think. 12400 seems like a good option. Wait for the scalpers now. price will be $600us

[pale quartz]

this process will only get faster as time goes on

CPU computational power is being developed at a rate not seen since the days when intel released the core series

[pale quartz]

pretty standard behaviour the 11900k was a failure of a product from the moment it released

[humble iris]

Yeah I didn't know that. I'm seeing it was no better then it's i7

[pale quartz]

the 11900k when it released regressed performance compared to the 10900k, a thing not seen since AMDs bulldozer days

and its absolutely atrocious because of the node that it is on, purely a disaster of a product

which is why you see 6 core parts beating it

[humble iris]

I still have some of the Core series CPUs and Pentiums from that era

[pale quartz]

yeah we're more or less entering an era over the next few years of CPUs being functionally obsolete within 3-5 years, the days of keeping your processor for 5+ years are finished

it was already in the process since zen 2, but its about to get faster

[humble iris]

I doubt that, unless you just want to waste money

no way i'm spending thousands in 1 or 2 years for PC

[pale quartz]

meh you can do what you want, but its the reality of the situation

60% gains in 3-4 years are around the corner

[humble iris]

Only reason to upgrade is 2 reasons, necessity, or the other one

[pale quartz]

necessity involves needing a competent level of performance to run things

[humble iris]

exactly if it running fine, no need to upgrade

[pale quartz]

we're already seeing today with 9th gen being not satisfactory for games, consider it a warning for whats to come

[humble iris]

really I'm on 5th gen doing fine

[pale quartz]

wont be for much longer

[humble iris]

why?

[pale quartz]

because what AMD and intel have in development for RKL/royal core means your processor wont most likely even meet the minimum specification for games in 3 years lol

[humble iris]

what games are you talking about, the ones I play?

[pale quartz]

no games that will come out inevitably by then

[humble iris]

if I choose to play them

[prisma anvil]

I think 8-10th gen with at least 6 cores and 12 threads are fine for a while.

[pale quartz]

you can choose to play them or not, doesnt change the objective situation

[pale quartz]

eh not so much

9900k, probably

[prisma anvil]

8700k still rocking rn

[pale quartz]

other parts dont have HT = dead weight

[humble iris]

Sure it does. Most people upgrade because of marketing, is my CPU Okay? if you have to ask, then that's an issue

[pale quartz]

ask for what? nobody has to ask for anything

[prisma anvil]

8700k 9900k 10600k,10700k, 10850k 10900k are all good for at least 3-4 years.

Maybe 9700k?

[humble iris]

people want better just because, not out of necessity

[pale quartz]

i dont think you understand that zen 2, within 5 years will be classed as beginner class processors

[humble iris]

So

again marketing

[pale quartz]

kind of strange you consider marketing as objective raw CPU power lol

[prisma anvil]

Deco do have a point

Zen2 is lagging behind rn in 2042

[humble iris]

I agree they will be more powerful, but if you don't need it, then you don't need it. not dropping thousands for no reason.

[prisma anvil]

If people start doing high player count decent graphics big map games

[pale quartz]

and its not even been 2 years lol

[prisma anvil]

True but zen2 is dogwater out of the box tho. Only people hyping them are mainstream techtubers

[pale quartz]

pretty much, happens when you dont have a unified CCX (which is what zen 2 was originally supposed to be)

[prisma anvil]

Lower IPC then skylake, way lower clock then skylake architecture. "capable gaming pc"

🤌

[humble iris]

I'm not disagreeing about the power, I'm just saying my shit lasts 5-7 years, And I'm going for 9 years on this one.

[pale quartz]

will be a fantasy soon enough

[prisma anvil]

But I do see stuff getting obselete faster.

I am planning to upgrade either raptorlake or meteor lake

Already starting to save hahaha

[humble iris]

yeah, and it will be a forced faze out, like Windows TPM requirement

[pale quartz]

no windows TPM requirement is a good thing for development

[humble iris]

Again this an opinion, I don't disagree, but it forces out older tech without reguard

[pale quartz]

you can thank motherboard makers not giving a shit, not microsoft

[humble iris]

Windows 11 could very well support NO TPM

and TPM

[pale quartz]

no, they couldnt lol

because it defeats the entire purpose

[humble iris]

Why? we should choose ourown security

[pale quartz]

windows 10 already does support TPM 2.0

whats the problem? no average user gives a shit about an optional feature

and gets themselves compromised

[humble iris]

and it also supports not having it

[pale quartz]

yes which is why big shocker nobody turns it on

[humble iris]

I have no TPM at all on my system

[pale quartz]

good for you, you are not an average user

[humble iris]

Way above average

[pale quartz]

yeah and you are the least likely person to get compromised compared to some rando user

microsoft are doing themselves a favour by forcing TPM 2.0

and its about time they did

[humble iris]

I just enjoy freedom to choose, not brainwashed and supervised, and micromanaged

[pale quartz]

yeah well design makers have other factors to consider than what some advanced user wants with their system

[humble iris]

I'm already moving to Linux next build possibly, and there is a huge movement

[pale quartz]

you shouldnt be complaining anyways, it isnt forced for pro and enterprise versions

only for windows 11 home

[humble iris]

seriously?

[pale quartz]

yes

[humble iris]

I have Pro and enterprise versions with no upgrade option without TPM

[pale quartz]

because it isnt natively there, you need to run the ISO

whether you want to do that is another option altogether

[humble iris]

hmm... thanks for that info, but I thought it wasn't supported

[pale quartz]

it is supported, windows 11 has 2 floors for installations, the soft and hard floor

the soft is TPM 2.0, the hard is just the regular hardware requirements

just dont expect the most fluid experience with things like anticheats if you go ahead with the installation since TPM will be flagged as off

[humble iris]

It was my understanding that you would have to install windows every time to get updates

[pale quartz]

no windows 10 still gets updates lol

[humble iris]

Windows 11

[pale quartz]

windows 11 and windows 10 update streams are currently costreamed, that wont last forever, it will for a bit

just probably dont upgrade if you ever intend to play some modern game like valorant since you cant satisfy TPM 2.0 isolation

[humble iris]

I'm all for new tech, but I refuse to be force fed. As the population grows more ignorant, and reliant the tech industry becomes more controlling.

[pale quartz]

meh the general population have always been ignorant, that never changed

[humble iris]

We used to teach how not to click on on that, don't download this. now we make programs to protect them when they do, and charge for it.

[pale quartz]

things like KVM and TPM are good for the development of technology, they have some unintended side effects for other industries related to PCs

forced or not

[humble iris]

KVM? another regurgitated abbrev.

[pale quartz]

there is no such thing as a infallible person

attack vectors for software has massively increased in scope over the years, it doesnt matter how smart you think you are, these arent the days of 2010

there are attack vectors that even you have no ability to influence over

[humble iris]

yeah but blatantly making mistakes, not the casual oops

[pale quartz]

there is no difference

someone being exploited, is an exploit, intentional or not, it doesnt matter

[humble iris]

Yeah it is what it is, it's just not fun anymore, 35 years in computing, I've seen amazing things, now just watching it implode.

[pale quartz]

different times, different circumstances

the standards back then have created some of the worst situations for today

[humble iris]

The worst of it is. For me. the standard answer to a problem is "Get A New PC" instead of solving the problem

[pale quartz]

well yeah, sometimes that is the solution to the problem

be it unsupported technology or otherwise

you arent going to get AV1 acceleration on older graphics cards for example, because thats impossible

[humble iris]

sometimes yes of course, but learn the issue, stop wasting