Looking at product images it seems like the heat sink isn’t that great so he’s probably stuck with the temps
#technology
nova shell
molten coral
Kinda like one of those NZXT cases
nova shell
The front of the case has glass that’s pushed forward and has vents in the front
molten coral
Literally does fuck all most of the time with cases like this though
It just isn't sufficient enough
nova shell
Yeah
Ok to test to see if this case doesn’t have sufficient airflow take off the front of the case and run the benchmark
Also how do you have your case fans setup
Benchmark with unigine
Ok ok
Not a bad looking budget setup
You’re fine
Ok
That’s what I expect a 2060 to be at
Yep
Yeah
Completely fine
You should use that to cool the pc
Might be a bit louder but your temps should be better
No problem
proud trellis
so on my windows drive i had 30GB free out of 220GB, so i just uninstalled FIVEM as it was installed on my windows drive and i now have 112GB free out of 220GB, i guess i found out what was taking up so much space which im well happy about as i thought i would of ended up having to reinstall windows at some point
honest bison
those are fine temps
no need to do crazy shit like using a leaf blower *which btw isnt ideal as it cant kill your pc due to static buildup, have seen lots of people had this happen)
then the gpu is good, but your case airflow isnt
that doesnt mean it will give your case better airflow lmao
I understood well, I meant that if your case has bad airflow, no matter how much you clean it, you temps will always be high
np
you could get a better case
or just remove front pannel
no
medium/low to get decent fps
pale quartz
no lol you are GPU bound overclocking isnt going to help you
nova shell
Dont ever touch OCing again
raw turtle
what game?
i’d recommend actually following a guide in overclocking if you’re gonna overclock your GPu
GPU is probably the easiest thing to OC
run benchmark in background, fans at 100% speed, slight increments of clock speed until crash, back down speed to stable, run extended test for stability, adjust fan speed to a quieter but still appropriate speed
done
however don’t overclock a laptop gpu
don’t touch it
also how did it manage to try the other components
that confuses me
heavy crow
tech
lament flare
I want this for internal clean (remove dust). But I really worry is this thing will damage laptop component or not?
latent light
chilly thistle
when can we play 2042
lusty hare
Can my i7-3770 run 2042? The PC requirements say that i need a i5 6600K minimum
latent light
i7 would have a more stable framerate because it has more threads
lusty hare
But will i be able to run bf2042
lusty hare
ok
lusty hare
GTX 1060 6GB
latent light
1080p medium settings would probably be ideal
pale quartz
Can my i7-3770 run 2042? The PC requirements say that i need a i5 6600K minimum
your CPU isn't officially supported so maybe maybe not
it's purely a gamble
latent light
Would be pretty dumb to not have support of older i7s considering models like 3770K/4770K/4790K are still some of the most used CPUs to date
quick locust
there's plenty of safeguards on a 1660 super, so it shouldn't be possible for you to fry it with a software OC unless you're doing something extreme
not sure how it'd fry your other components either, unless it was your PSU that was not working in the first place
quick locust
Can my i7-3770 run 2042? The PC requirements say that i need a i5 6600K minimum
you'll see once it releases and more tests are done
pale quartz
<@!162568099839606784> wdym officially supported
hardware that isn't officially supported by the developer aren't guaranteed to run, run stable, or be free from issues
any of those 3 apply
toxic zealot
its still x86 cpu with not different instruction set support
so it can run just different fps
cloud solar
3050?
toxic zealot
its dumb to tell people its not supported
pale quartz
its still x86 cpu with not different instruction set support
games run a whitelist of an absolute minimum piece of hardware the ISA does not matter
and no, it's not
pale quartz
anything which isn't there is not guaranteed to run, it's just how these things work
it isn't to do with it being x86 or not infact the ISA is totally redundant
toxic zealot
wdym not guaranteed to run
not guaranteed to run are cpus that cant run windows 10
and that might be even false since the game can prob run on w7
pale quartz
wdym not guaranteed to run
you cannot tell someone that their hardware will, or will not run a certain piece of hardware if it is outside the developer specification, a dual core pentium can install windows 10, it cannot run triple A games though, this is why whitelists are used for hardware
they are entirely decided on by the developer it has nothing to do with what it supposedly can, or cannot do
pale quartz
by that I'm talking about t3300 types not ones that can literally be overclocked to obscene levels
do not tell someone that they can or can't, because its entirely projection, and you're giving someone a false sense of security when you yourself have no idea of its true
toxic zealot
oh
its a cpu
2 cores 2 ghz bruh
ofc i would tell someone it wont work
on 2 ghz celeron
lmao
pale quartz
that's the point, the clock speed is redundant
pale quartz
you're using arbitrary things which aren't how games actually decide if hardware is supported to run a game as pre conceived validators, it is a bad idea all round
toxic zealot
wdym
anything faster than cpu which can run the game at 30fps should run the game unless the game is bugged
pale quartz
wdym
if someone is asking you whether "X thing can run X game", which is outside of a minimum specification, you cannot tell them the answer is yes, or no, because you have no idea if it is actually true or not
it is entirely based on projection and is giving the person a false sense of assurance/if it doesn't, and you tell them no when the answer is actually yes, false information
"should" is not "will", those are 2 very different things, and telling someone yes is telling them it will run the game, being honest and saying "it could/might/might not" is better for everyone involved in the situation
toxic zealot
"bruh its outside of game specs it cant possibly run the game"
im amazed how they made i5 6600k drop down to 25fps
pale quartz
"bruh its outside of game specs it cant possibly run the game"
I'm not saying it can't, I'm explicitly making it clear telling someone that it can, or can't is a very bad idea
toxic zealot
planetside 2 can have hundreads of players and bf 2042 is dying with 128 
marsh gull
wdym pentium cant run AAA title
yeah 480p 25 fps is not that bad come on
marsh gull
if someone is asking you whether "X thing can run X game", which is outside of a...
generally the minimum specs are those that are the lowest possible tested while giving a decent and playable experience, for example a 1050 ti is the minimum for bf 2042 but a 1050 can run it, its just less comfortable and playable than the minimum specs
quick locust
Depends on the game it's not a set standard of what minimum and recommended is
pale quartz
generally the minimum specs are those that are the lowest possible tested while ...
yes, that's the point there are far too many variables when you're discussing below minimum requirement specifications to be totally assured that it will run or not
which is why nobody can ever know
marsh gull
which is why nobody can ever know
i agree but still not having the minimum specs doesn't automatically mean that the game won't launch
marsh gull
Depends on the game it's not a set standard of what minimum and recommended is
yeah recommended specs are pretty vague
quick locust
So is minimum
marsh gull
So is minimum
yeah i was talking about both sry
unkempt flume
guys can someone help me, i have problems in BF5. when i am using directx12 my game crashes when joining a lobby, no crash report, no stuttering, nothing. just straight to the desktop. and when i am using directx11 my performance is arount 70 FPS on low instead of 140 on ultra. i am playing on 1440p 165hz. my components are: rx 6800xt, 2700x, 2400mhz 32 gb (crashes if set higher). any help would be appreciated
quick locust
guys can someone help me, i have problems in BF5. when i am using directx12 my g...
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quick locust
Also 2K is 1080p, not 1440
cloud solar
no its 1440
old bridge
i have some insane delay on my mouse inputs while play bf5 idk why
proud trellis
no its 1440
well if 1080p is 2k and you double it you get 2160 and that is 4k afaik
hehe
supple bane
no its 1440
It makes more sense to me for it to be 1080
1920 is closer to 2k than 2560 is
With 1440p being 2.5k
supple bane
well if 1080p is 2k and you double it you get 2160 and that is 4k afaik
Except 4k is 4x bigger than 1080p 
opaque saddle
IIRC UHD uses 60% more resources compared to 1080p
supple bane
But yeah, resolution naming is dum
quick locust
2K is 2048x1080
But monitors are mostly 16:9 so 1920x1080 is closest
1440 is not defined in DCI so it does not have a K value
quick locust
no its 1440
So yeah, 2K is 1080p
pale quartz
i have some insane delay on my mouse inputs while play bf5 idk why
lower your polling rate
dry pike
"Your hand can't move at more than 60hz" 😄
old bridge
ok
supple bane
i have some insane delay on my mouse inputs while play bf5 idk why
are you on windows 11?
old bridge
are you on windows 11?
nah
errant spindle
I have a Xbox one s can I play the Version with 128 players?
supple bane
no
errant spindle
Shitt ok thanks
quick locust
I have a Xbox one s can I play the Version with 128 players?
Only PC, PS5 and XSS/XSX can.
autumn hollow
amd or intel
midnight crypt
Whatever you want
dry pike
amd or intel
storm osprey
amd or intel
whatever offers best price to performance in your region
proud trellis
what was fake nyphon ? 
storm osprey
free nitro link
raw turtle
guys can someone help me, i have problems in BF5. when i am using directx12 my g...
have you upgraded from a nvidia GPU on that pc?
raw turtle
amd or intel
model makes the difference, not brand. always.
verbal cliff
guys can someone help me, i have problems in BF5. when i am using directx12 my g...
Same issue with my rx 6600 xt
dx11 runs around 70-80 fps while dx12 is at 144 fps constant
but it crashes each time
latent light
BF5 is a DX11 game at heart
DX12 was only added for features like DXR and DLSS iirc
verbal cliff
im not good with cpus so can someone help me out
current speed is at 4.10ghz while base speed is 3.60 does that mean my cpu is overclocked https://gyazo.com/44cb58e29ac29adccaf582a46a3ef108
midnight crypt
no
raw turtle
im not good with cpus so can someone help me out
current speed is at 4.10ghz whi...
no, base and boost speed are both set my manufacturer
so not overclocked
base and boost speeds are for power efficiency
raw turtle
Same issue with my rx 6600 xt
did you upgrade from an nvidia gpu or any other gpu in that same PC?
verbal cliff
did you upgrade from an nvidia gpu or any other gpu in that same PC?
yes
raw turtle
did you not DDU your drivers before installing the new one?
verbal cliff
no
raw turtle
because if not i’d bet that’s your issue
search up DDU and follow the steps and do it
do a fresh install of radeon drivers
verbal cliff
damn i should have done that right away
latent light
Zen 3D will have to be priced very competitively to compete with Alder-Lake, but I think they are gonna increase core counts (R5 will become 8-core and R7 will become 12-core)
If they don't raise core counts, you're gonna see the i5-12600K dominating the Ryzen 7 6800X
12600K sits between the 5800X and 5900X in multi-thread performance, over 60% faster than 5600X
terse stirrup
One message removed from a suspended account.
verbal cliff
do a fresh install of radeon drivers
Just did ddu and reinstalled drivers
Chrome is working perfectly fine no more crashing on videos
I’ll try out games soon
Thanks for that
solar kestrel
i come into this channel very rarely but im bout to buy an ssd 1Tb but im not sure which one to get
storm osprey
sata or m.2?
solar kestrel
really depends on the pricing
im pretty sure sata tends to be a bit cheaper
so im not really sure atm
I was thinking about this one
solar kestrel
or this one they are the same price
supple bane
The 2nd one is sata not pcie
solar kestrel
ok
supple bane
So its only 500 mb/s rather than 2500
supple bane
Id go for 2.5" personally
storm osprey
supple bane
Because there is no difference in load time between 2.5" and m.2
M.2 really comes into its own for data transfer and workstation use, ie video editing
solar kestrel
https://www.newegg.com/crucial-1tb/p/N82E16820156247?Item=N82E16820156247&nm_mc=...
i saw that one but i just wanna get a decent one for under 100 thats why im picking between the two up top
storm osprey
its the same price and arguably better than the sn550
solar kestrel
where i live its still 120
supple bane
storm osprey
where i live its still 120
market? i assume usa because of NA
storm osprey
well that doesnt make sense
solar kestrel
storm osprey
storm osprey
lol even your screenshot shows the promo code too
solar kestrel
storm osprey
the main difference between sn550 and p5 is that the sn550 has HMB and no DRAM, while the p5 does have DRAM and no HMB
latent light
storm osprey
p5 > sn550 >>>>>> 3d nand
solar kestrel
alright
raw turtle
@verbal cliff how'd it go?
solar kestrel
thank you nyphon
storm osprey
you are welcome
raw turtle
np
verbal cliff
i can finally use game filters on mw2019
raw turtle
wait i thought you had a 6600xt
verbal cliff
before they wouldnt cause amd software crashed each time i started up mw
yes but ingame color settings
amd software lets you do that
verbal cliff
idk i find mw a bland and boring game to look at
raw turtle
plus modern warfare is weird and doesn't like my PC
verbal cliff
i made it more bright and colorful
raw turtle
performance is much lower than what it should be, and that seems to be a common issue
verbal cliff
maybe on warzone
performance seems to get worse on that game with each update
mw2019 runs solid still
pale quartz
Because there is no difference in load time between 2.5" and m.2
there is
pale quartz
NVMe is much faster as a protocol than SATA for a reason, you have things like PAS etc that is built into the NVMe protocol that doesn't exist with SATA
it is a much better usage over the SATA interface and should be chosen where possible over SATA devices
supple bane
i know that nvme is faster than sata, obviously
im talking specifically loading games
pale quartz
it is still faster
you just don't see it in raw benchmarks
PAS is priority asset streaming which allows for assets to be streamed through a dedicated buffer the SATA interface does not have this luxury
you also have additional features like DS that are not compatible with the SATA interface
supple bane
ive still never seen any evidence to suggest that it affects load times in a meaningful way though
pale quartz
that's because you're looking at things from a surface level POV
supple bane
im looking at the time it takes to load a game :p
pale quartz
behind the scenes it is technologically superior in every regard and NVMe should be used as the defacto drive
supple bane
hence the only thing im interested in
i dont care how its done, i just want performance you see
its all good having all these bells and whistles, but if for me it proves no improvement, why bother?
pale quartz
that's a bad viewpoint, the question was about asking for a drive, not one that is dedicated to "loading games"
the person before will be doing much more than just playing games with the drive as it will be their main drive which is why it's critical to consider the technology underneath
empty fox
Steam Deck masterrace
supple bane
but i know goopy. and im fairly sure he only uses his pc for games you see, thats why i took that view point
pale quartz
nobody ever, just uses it "for games"
supple bane
i do :P
pale quartz
they have multiple tabs open be it discord Spotify browsers whatever
there are numerous actions going on at once outside of just games
that's all fine and dandy when you have access to other drives not when you have just one
storm osprey
well yea people use it for other things as well, but spotify and multiple tabs doesnt really leverage a faster drive either so thats kind of redundant
supple bane
^
latent light
^
pale quartz
they definitely do
supple bane
i would agree on that statement if it was 1996
but discord and Spotify etc are so light compared to modern hardware it doesnt register
latent light
You can have 10 applications open and it wouldn't make much of a difference
storm osprey
granty did say that for things outside of gaming theres a benefit but for just gaming theres marginal differences in load times
kinda semantic to say otherwise imo
pale quartz
you know that the size of the application isn't important here, and it's the fact that multiple I/O streams are being factored in at once right?
which NVMe is infinitely superior to over SATA?
storm osprey
you know 99.9% of people care about the end result and thats all we have talked about
supple bane
yep thats great, but can the user tell that thats going on?
storm osprey
by like... .3 seconds
pale quartz
no, by general usage lol
go open 5 applications at once over the SATA protocol compared to NVMe, see what happens
latent light
NVMe drives make more sense for content creators moving large 50+GB files
storm osprey
alright well next time you handle the question instead of coming in after the fact to very peculiarly tear apart advice
pale quartz
I'm not tearing apart advice I was backing up your recommendation lol
supple bane
NVMe drives make more sense for content creators moving large 50+GB files
this is EXACTLY what i originally said lmao
storm osprey
i know you didnt question my advice
latent light
Who even has 5 apps running at once anyway, usually it's 2-3 at most
Game, discord, chrome
Most of the time it's just game and discord
pale quartz
Who even has 5 apps running at once anyway, usually it's 2-3 at most
a lot, even simple things as booting the OS
supple bane
pale quartz
most people don't bother with the time to actually disable their startup items
so when you're talking about the average user these things are important
storm osprey
i dont think many of them are timing the AT MOST 10 second load time difference on boot
supple bane
ive never seen the difference reach 2 seconds between 2.5" and m.2
pale quartz
i dont think many of them are timing the AT MOST 10 second load time difference ...
as with everything it depends on the user, when you're talking gamers specifically, chances are they have 4/5 different launchers, some sort of anti virus in the background, school utilities like teams etc which as you include more software this scalability increases ten fold
and as this scalability increases, the importance of NVMe increases
storm osprey
for shits and giggles ill test this when i get home just to see the difference, i doubt a 10 second difference will occur
pale quartz
you aren't going to notice a time difference
what you are going to notice is how many applications are sequentially loaded at once
which is NVMe's biggest advantage
storm osprey
well personally, and i imagine most people, factor in how fast something loads much heavier than if multiple things load at once
short pier
Techn - ology
pale quartz
what people perceive to be the biggest factor isnt actually the biggest impact on their actual workflow
happens all the time, even with experts
the SATA interface is outdated because multiple operations being performed at once bottlenecks the queue, it was why the NVMe protocol came around to begin with
short pier
and that's why you should never drink water from a soda fountain
proud trellis
what
solar kestrel
@storm osprey sorry for ping i was lookcing at ssd online would this one be better then the SN550? or the crucial one
storm osprey
idk that off the top of my head, but it looks good
i think i would still go with the p5 though
pale quartz
<@!168841307320483840> sorry for ping i was lookcing at ssd online would this on...
the crucial one is better
that drive is DRAMless
solar kestrel
ok
latent light
Better to not have HMB instead of not having DRAM
lofty light
If I could I'd get a steam deck now
latent light
Waiting for 2nd gen one
marsh gull
i dont think many of them are timing the AT MOST 10 second load time difference ...
fair enouph lol
marsh gull
the SATA interface is outdated because multiple operations being performed at on...
thats why you should use sata ssds as a bulk storage for games and apps, and not as a C drive
hidden pumice
3080ti vs 1080
marsh gull
3080ti vs 1080
lmao thats not even a debate
hidden pumice
why not
hidden pumice
yes thats why im asking
marsh gull
(and far more expensive)
yeah tru
hidden pumice
is it worth
pale quartz
thats why you should use sata ssds as a bulk storage for games and apps, and not...
correct
pale quartz
is it worth
only you can answer that question lol
we can't answer if it's worth for you to buy a product, it's your money not ours
hidden pumice
my money is yours
💰
pale quartz
I'll take $100 cheers
marsh gull
is it worth
rn everything is overpriced and the 1080 is starting to get old for its price so just wait for a mid range 30series graphics card that costs less and has more preformance with all the rtx series features
marsh gull
my money is yours
you have 1000$ laying around real quick?
marsh gull
i use a m.2 sata for my laptop
thats two different types of ssd im confused
quick locust
nah
marsh gull
nvme for my desktop though
poggers me too
hidden pumice
then i will wait for rtx 4090
quick locust
sata is a protocol which can be used with m.2 as well
marsh gull
sata is a protocol which can be used with m.2 as well
oh ok
marsh gull
then i will wait for rtx 4090
hidden pumice
yes
marsh gull
then i will wait for rtx 4090
get ready for that 4090$ msrp and that 4090 release date
pale quartz
m.2. is just a device protocol, NVMe and SATA are the transfer protocols
quick locust
^
marsh gull
m.2. is just a device protocol, NVMe and SATA are the transfer protocols
oki gud to know
hidden pumice
nvme 2.0 when
marsh gull
then i will wait for rtx 4090
get ready to mortgage your house and kids
marsh gull
yeah pretty much
hidden pumice
thats too much
marsh gull
its nvidia
hidden pumice
scam like iphone
marsh gull
everytime they launch a gpu series theres like half of the gpus launched that are good/decent value and then the rest are there to flex on the budget ones
pale quartz
the 4090 will be a $2000~ card
marsh gull
the 4090 will be a $2000~ card
just enouph for an used SUV
marsh gull
then i will mine with my 3080ti to get my money back
lmao
hidden pumice
no lock on ergo
marsh gull
just enouph for an used SUV
for what, 20 fps more than the 3090?
pale quartz
you aren't going to be making any money back from a coin like ergo lol
supple bane
then i will mine with my 3080ti to get my money back
The electricity bill from that would probably be more than the amount you mine
And at the very least it will be a big portion of your profit
This is why big mine farms have their own solar stations etc so they dont have a running cost for electricity
heavy crow
tech
supple bane
it depends on what cpu you have also, i would say just get a cable, you would see a nice improvement in quality and responsiveness just with that 30 buck purchase.
but flight sim is very cpu demanding, so if you are to upgrade to a 3090 you would need either a 5900x or 10900k id say
to not bottleneck it
msfs2020 in vr is hands down the most intensive game on the market atm. so its one of the few that can actually utilise such hardware i guess
mystic atlas
i play xplane 11 xd
msfs is too powerful for my potato to handle
and also i heard that msfs's flight physics is not really that good and i priorities physics over graphics
hopefully msfs's physics will get updated so it becomes realistic
near rune
even with the best cpu and gpu msfs is really intensive on vr
dcs runs somewhat better on vr
but i still would take extra performance and lose vr
you could try and look at track ir
chrome skiff
near rune
nice
you own the modules?
hornet carrier f16 etc
those are called modules in dcs
or thats what they call them
officially called modules
by ed
thats why i call them that
dcs on steam is a bit restricted
when i realized it i just redownloaded it
im enduring the pain of downloading an msfs update
mystic atlas
dcs world too powerful for my laptop lol plus i want to fly real airliners
near rune
dcs world too powerful for my laptop lol plus i want to fly real airliners
what specs you got
near rune
ah no external gpu
near rune
my laptop has an i7 10750h and rtx 3060
mystic atlas
ooooh
near rune
but i guess i cant flex cause i paid for it
and i had to wait until i turned 18 to buy my own laptop/pc
mystic atlas
i have never owned anything with a external gpu
near rune
and even then i spent my own money on it
mystic atlas
all of them are igpu
prime jasper
i7 7700 enough for 2042
proud trellis
!!specs
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lament flare
Which PC GPU can compare with RTX3060 (mobile)?
nova shell
Which PC GPU can compare with RTX3060 (mobile)?
A gtx 1060
raw turtle
i7 7700 enough for 2042
depends what GPU it’s running with
vocal otter
Do i need Origin to run battlefield 4 on steam?
prime crag
Boys, 3060ti at 1440p?
quick locust
Which PC GPU can compare with RTX3060 (mobile)?
Depends on the workload
pale quartz
Boys, 3060ti at 1440p?
for 1440p you'll be wanting a 6700xt+
raw turtle
Do i need Origin to run battlefield 4 on steam?
yes, but steam downloads it for you as a prerequisite of using it
raw turtle
Boys, 3060ti at 1440p?
yeah
you’d be perfectly fine
i think people forget how powerful some GPUs are
EX: a 3060ti is as good as a 2080 super, which is perfectly capable of 1440p
3060 12gb on the other hand, trash
near rune
Do i need Origin to run battlefield 4 on steam?
yes it tells you to install it
also says it here
grim onyx
A friend is giving me his Nvidia 1650 to build my first pc so I can play 2042 on PC; is it powerful enough to run the game well? And how many frames should I expect?
pale quartz
A friend is giving me his Nvidia 1650 to build my first pc so I can play 2042 on...
depends on 2 things: one resolution 2: target framerate, a 1650 at 1080p will probably be low for a stable target, 40-50 frames is a stable estimation
hitching will also probably occur because of the VRAM allocation
weary basin
will there be a dual screen option in 2042 ( or a battlescreen idea such as bf4) ?
vocal otter
also says it here
yea thats pretty fucked up
pale quartz
? it's pretty normal lol
vocal otter
its pretty fucked up, Origin takes up 300mb of my storage and i don't even use it
why do i use steam then?
its like if i had bought battlefield 4 from the EA website and it just instals Steam automaticall
and say it doesn't run without Steam
pale quartz
yes, just like every other game on steam that has bundled software in one form or another
origin is no different
vocal otter
well, its annoying
midnight crypt
300mb is not much anyways
raw turtle
will there be a dual screen option in 2042 ( or a battlescreen idea such as bf4)...
most likely not
lofty kindle
i need help..... so i have a ryzen 5 2600 as cpu, i know this is decent but i would like to upgrade it before 2042 launch. Soo... what is a great cpu under 500 ( i also want to upgrade my motherboard)
lofty kindle
5800x tomahawk b550
ok
storm osprey
if 500 is a hard budget then you can get 5800x and gigabyte gaming x b550
lofty kindle
i also found a ryzen 7 3200x is that a good cpu?
lofty kindle
if 500 is a hard budget then you can get 5800x and gigabyte gaming x b550
ok, if i upgrade to that shouldnt i have to worry for future games?
storm osprey
errr i dont think theres a ryzen 7 3200x
supple bane
ok, if i upgrade to that shouldnt i have to worry for future games?
you wont have to worry for a good 5 years or so
lofty kindle
you wont have to worry for a good 5 years or so
that will be nice if soo
supple bane
but of course it will eventually be too slow for new games
raw turtle
i need help..... so i have a ryzen 5 2600 as cpu, i know this is decent but i wo...
don’t, wait until intel 12th gen
get an i5 12600k
and don’t buy ryzen
ryzen trash
for the price
supple bane
lol
storm osprey
that makes sense
are you usa?
lofty kindle
are you usa?
nope netherlands
storm osprey
oh.. uhhhhh
lofty kindle
??
lofty kindle
ok
lofty kindle
hope gpu`s will ever be cheaper
storm osprey
nope netherlands
underlined are the options i would pick, i suggest going up to msi a pro/gaming at minimum, tomahawk if you really can
lofty kindle
ok these are some good options
raw turtle
for cpus stock is fine everywhere
however zen 3 trash pricing because of trash MSRP
alder lake ftw
supple bane
come on now lol, its looking good but its way too early to make decisions on if its good or not
raw turtle
it’s got DDR5 so a large leap would make sense
lofty kindle
one more question a want to sell my cpu. how much should i ask for it? (its 2 years old)
supple bane
and you think zen 3 msrp is bad ? there are plenty of rumours that 12th gens new architecture is going to be super expensive
way more expensive than zen 3
raw turtle
from what i’ve seen, less
more expensive than 10th gen but cheaper than zen 3
which i’m all for
i’d pay slightly more for much better performance
supple bane
ive not seen anything such.
just money money money. and as someone who is looking to upgrade to a 12600k, im worried
but the leaked benchmarks show the 12600k beating the 5950x in single core, which is ace.
strong breach
Wheuw
empty fox
Chip shortage boutta last to 2023 bay bee
empty fox
Massive shortage in the US. Cant get high end new gpus, car shortage related to chips, next gen consoles, etc etc etc
Interesting, I thought it was worldwide. Thanks for the info
prime jasper
Can I have opinions on this prebuilt
I’m willing to wait until Black Friday if that is a factor
prime jasper
not much to it
So it’s good value then? that’s probably as far as my budget stretches for the moment
pale quartz
So it’s good value then? that’s probably as far as my budget stretches for the m...
value doesnt matter in this market
everything sells dont think of "value", it doesnt exist
prime jasper
I don’t understand what you mean lol
Like, could I get a better pc for the same price Is what I’m asking
pale quartz
Like, could I get a better pc for the same price Is what I’m asking
probably not
dry pike
The new Nvidia driver: GeForce 496.49 WHQL has support for 2042.
midnight crypt
very epic
pale quartz
https://www.techradar.com/news/intel-alder-lake-leak-shows-a-laptop-cpu-which-ou...
has credibility the parts are massively overclocked which if anything shows they were targeting beating the M1 at all costs
I would expect ADL to win regardless if it didn't that would be an embarrassment
plucky token
vapid estuary
i need help..... so i have a ryzen 5 2600 as cpu, i know this is decent but i wo...
5800x and any mobo with decent vrm cooling
storm osprey
plucky token
latent light
Zen 3D V-cache probably gonna be better in gaming
latent light
https://www.techradar.com/news/intel-alder-lake-leak-shows-a-laptop-cpu-which-ou...
One reason why they shouldn't really be compared on mobile platform: Alder-Lake uses a fuck ton more power than M1 Max
coarse nimbus
https://youtu.be/mxGrcOfAdMU
That's an excessive amount of exclamation points for a product we won't be able to get
dry pike
Damn, my Win11 is running soooo much better after I did a clean install instead of updating
plucky token
https://youtu.be/ExPdq4yX2OI
he sure is fast when it comes to stuff like that
latent light
There's so much room on that CPU substrate man... But they wanna stop at 8+8 cores
latent light
Intel's RTX 3070Ti competitor apparently priced higher than RTX 3080
Terrible for a beta test generation
candid yew
Anyone familiar with asus mobos?
storm osprey
ive owned 2
candid yew
What’s the significant difference between a Prime and an ROG? And I see they have letters for tiers, but don’t understand the big difference
storm osprey
prime is generally cheaper than rog, probably less features and power phases, but im not certain about the phases
and im not sure what you mean by letters
candid yew
Letters in like, Z690-F vs Z690-G
toxic zealot
candid yew
Oooh perfect, thank you
storm osprey
thats the best i can find on their naming conventions
candid yew
Looks like I will be going with the Z690-F then
storm osprey
id be more worried about power phases, heatsinks, features and price to performance
solar kestrel
i just installed my new ssd
ended up going with the pn550 since the sale on crucial went out before i got the chance to buy one
proud trellis
the fuck
quick locust
Lul
latent light
Yeah let's put black, brown and tan together
quick locust
At least it performs decently in thermal and noise
Dunno why they didn't put it on a 3080 though
molten coral
I didn't buy that it's just a picture from reddit
solar kestrel
oh
molten coral
would never buy something that ugly 
proud trellis
ngl i would buy that if the backplate is black as i wont see the fans tbh
latent light
A fucking xx70 tier card using up 4 damn slots
molten coral
I want the gigabyte vision 3080 it looks so good
latent light
Gigabyte tho 
molten coral
Nothing wrong with it, never had issues with them.
rocky marlin
https://youtu.be/ExPdq4yX2OI
my man have in first preview one of the most anticipated cpu's and tortures it like a AMD FX
rocky marlin
One of the ugliest GPUs too
if it was full noctua it would be fine
but asus had others ideas in mind
supple bane
At least it performs decently in thermal and noise
"Decently"
It outperforms custom water lol
In jays video he had it down to 44c
quick locust
Lol
supple bane
Cranked overclocks like 47
Hes also demonstrated its fairly easy to switch out the fans
And the black noctuas would perform the same and look loads better
latent light
Black fans would look good since the shroud covering is black
atomic jackal
hey sometimes my bf1 stutters for 5 seconds and when its back again the ground's texture is reaally bad, this fixes itself on the next map if i stay in that match
what causes this?
latent light
That could be the game itself might need to repair the files but it could also be the graphics card
atomic jackal
i dont think its the card, nothing like this happens at other games
latent light
Sometimes only a specific game can reveal a defect in hardware
Seems more to do with the game tho
plucky token
Thats one fancy board
coarse nimbus
how much you pay for all those looks?
supple bane
Z, Dark, and kingpin are 3 words your wallet doesnt appreciate
supple bane
Im really hoping there is a white z690 board for a decent price right out the gate
Id love an nzxt board since the z590 one seemed to get good reviews and looked ace. But i think they launch those much later
If im getting a 12600k im getting an overclocking compatible board 
latent light
I'm gonna wait for Zen 3D
Zen 3D is literally being announced on Nov 8th
Btw Intel has to retest Ryzen because of Windows 11 patches
Ryzen 5 6600X supposedly has 8 cores/16 threads
6800X has 12 cores/24 threads
shadow bluff
Thats one fancy board
why did they put the dimm slots in the top instead of right?
it does look fancy
pale quartz
why did they put the dimm slots in the top instead of right?
board size limitations
it can't be put on the right because it's not an ATX size board, and also because it looks ugly
shadow bluff
so its matx?
pale quartz
yes
raw turtle
why did they put the dimm slots in the top instead of right?
the board is meant for CPU overclocking, just put to the top for best performance
shadow bluff
right
latent light
Also it has only 2 RAM slots since that's generally better for RAM overclocking than 4 slots
Afaik Z690 Taichi may be best for CPU overclocking
I'm kinda excited to see HEDT Alder-Lake
marsh gull
yo guys could you tell me if this parts list is good?
the ram is for my old build i already have 3200mhz 32gb ram lying around
and i already have storage too
pale quartz
the ram is for my old build i already have 3200mhz 32gb ram lying around
that RAM is absolutely terrible do not buy it
CL163200 is what you require not that
little oasis
meh, not much difference between CL19 and CL16
pale quartz
yes there is
that is a massive difference
that die bin is absolutely terrible not even OEMs use timings that bad
little oasis
that is a massive difference
IRL performance is around 3-5% worse
which honestly ain't bad at all
and that's for CPU-bound processes, anything that's more intensive on your GPU won't see any performance change
pale quartz
IRL performance is around 3-5% worse
no it isn't that's a penalty of around 15%
this isn't some Cl16/17 difference here this is 3 layers of a difference for cas latency
the subtimings are going to be absolutely awful and it's that bad it doesn't even appear in raw numbers
nobody under any circumstance should be using this type of binned memory in their systems
latent light
Except a grandma that plays farmville
pale quartz
^
latent light
Seems like in recent years that RAM speed is becoming more important
pale quartz
ehh it's down to CPU architectural differences mainly than the memory itself
latent light
I remember when DDR4 came out and there was only 2133 and 2400 MHz kits with CL19 timings
pale quartz
things like the IF which weren't done before FCLK etc put a bigger priority importance on the binned memory
latent light
People used to say Intel preferred tighter timings while AMD preferred frequency but to me they look the same
pale quartz
that was always a wrong assumption neither is true
ryzen is latency sensitive that is frequency and timings it isn't considered with raw throughput because 1:1 ratios are decoupled past 1800 imposing an inherit penalty
it's down to how CCX complexes interact with the IF intel didn't have anything like the Zen architecture which is why you could get away with subpar memory with "fine" performance
latent light
I haven't got to tweak with a Ryzen 3000/5000 CPU yet so I never got to play with IF and FCLK
pale quartz
that will change with ADL but it's simply a architecture design reason
the more you place importance on interconnects the bigger the priority becomes on latency, can't have it both ways
pale quartz
I haven't got to tweak with a Ryzen 3000/5000 CPU yet so I never got to play wit...
the IF and FCLK aren't that important
tweaking them beyond their factory design brings instability and shouldn't be done
latent light
Same can be said about going beyond JEDEC memory spec
pale quartz
your road will vary depending on the memory itself, Zen takes a big influence from the end CCD calculation number
latent light
You can't guarantee stability going past spec
pale quartz
no it can't
the IF and FCLK are clocked automatically by the board they don't require manual tuning
JEDEC specs are tied to the memory die they aren't programmable entries
latent light
One weird occurrence for me is when my 3200 MHz kit is more stable than my old 2666 MHz kit on R5 1600AF
I guess the 2666 kit may be defective in some way
pale quartz
nah
it's just how binning works
higher the frequency and the the tighter the timings are at XMP the better quality the memory is
which means it has a higher tolerance level before memory corruption exists
pale quartz
XMP 3.0 isn't with binning itself it's simply a protocol for boards
and well XMP doesn't matter really for binning itself
latent light
Yeah ik
With XMP 3.0, you'll be able to personalize profiles and there's now 3
Wonder if Nvidia is gonna reveal discrete RTX 3050Ti before 2022
And I hope it has more than 4GB VRAM like leaks suggest
little oasis
no it isn't that's a penalty of around 15%
dude, I'm talking from experience and what most people says. The penalty isn't that hard, it's around a 5% difference.
pale quartz
dude, I'm talking from experience and what most people says. The penalty isn't t...
your "experience" is wrong because I'm talking about actual penalty differences in I/O performance lol
this is ryzen 5000 here not some generic intel chip
little oasis
your "experience" is wrong because I'm talking about actual penalty differences ...
send me one benchmark that supports your claims
speed is still more important than latency, even in CPU-intensive tasks like FEA
pale quartz
you see that difference between 2T CL14 vs T1 CL14? those are the penalties involved when you go down 3 tiers of CAS latency
pale quartz
speed is still more important than latency, even in CPU-intensive tasks like FEA
yeah you're wrong lol
that's not how Zen runs calculations for throughput
a 4000MHz CL20 die is worse than a CL163800 memory die
latent light
True gamers choose 3600 MHz CL16 kits
pale quartz
you fundamentally misunderstand how memory calculations work
little oasis
3600 CL16 to CL18, with a difference of less than 3 fps
and that's on 1080p
if you move to 1440 or 4k, the difference is even smaller
pale quartz
what are you talking about? the minimum framerate drops aswell as the average
and by the way
little oasis
but, a 15% drop?
pale quartz
this is 3600 memory
not 3200 CL19
yes
3200 CL19 is that bad it's literally not even reviewed for synthetic benchmarks
little oasis
yes, we're comparing the same frequency, with different CL
pale quartz
no we're not we're talking about 2 entirely different grades of memory bin here
pale quartz
CL183600 is actually normal memory binning because it's a scaled CL163200 bin, CL193200 is absolutely terrible and uses bottom of the barrel die bins
it's literally worse than OEM memory
little oasis
the difference isn't still as much as you mention
hell, even lower frequency RAM doesn't have that much of a difference
pale quartz
what are you talking about?
every single memory in that video is better than this one?
little oasis
you really know that CL doesn't mean anything unless you're doing some CPU intensive tasks, right?
frequency is still more important
pale quartz
lol do you understand how Zen even works?
that's the important question
because it's pretty clear you do not you literally linked a video that has better memory bins than the one that was linked before
little oasis
yes, I do understand how Zen, and specially things like infinity fabric works
pale quartz
really so you understand that the IF relies on the CAS latency specifically aswell as FAW for calculating raw throughput?
marsh gull
CL163200 is what you require not that
i already have better ram lying around this ram is for my old build
pale quartz
i already have better ram lying around this ram is for my old build
gotcha avoid that memory like the plague
that shouldn't be used on DDR3 nevermind ryzen 5000
marsh gull
that shouldn't be used on DDR3 nevermind ryzen 5000
its for my old build with a ryzen 3 i already said that
pale quartz
its for my old build with a ryzen 3 i already said that
what memory have you got lying about by chance?
little oasis
IF ratios depend a lot on more than the memory itself, and even then it has been proven that better speed is more important than latency
marsh gull
what memory have you got lying about by chance?
team group 2x16gb 3200mhz ram
pale quartz
team group 2x16gb 3200mhz ram
good kit
marsh gull
good kit
yeah when i first built my pc they scammed me and sold 1x16gb so i bought another 1x16 to get like almost 30fps more in bf
pale quartz
IF ratios depend a lot on more than the memory itself, and even then it has been...
see you're literally wrong just by your own admission because 1:1 clocks only scale to 3600 before they are decoupled to 2:1 lol
marsh gull
yeah when i first built my pc they scammed me and sold 1x16gb so i bought anothe...
dual-channel is OP
pale quartz
yeah when i first built my pc they scammed me and sold 1x16gb so i bought anothe...
yeah unfortunately a semi uncommon occurrence
marsh gull
yeah unfortunately a semi uncommon occurrence
they loove putting single channel in laptops and prebuilts even tho it doesnt cost that much more and pretty much divides your preformance
pale quartz
your team group kit will do you fine can get a 8x2 other kit or 16x2 take your pick
little oasis
see you're literally wrong just by your own admission because 1:1 clocks only sc...
honestly, with the latency on Zen2, nobody sane goes past 3600
pale quartz
nobody goes past 3600 on Zen 2 because the CCDs aren't totally interconnected which is why CL takes a big penalty hit for 2:1
marsh gull
your team group kit will do you fine can get a 8x2 other kit or 16x2 take your p...
yeah but 16gb is costly and im selling my old pc so if the person wants better ram they can buy it themselves tbh
little oasis
and that's due to inherent things on its design, as the latency is worse than Zen1, but the L3 cache makes up for it
pale quartz
yeah but 16gb is costly and im selling my old pc so if the person wants better r...
yeah I mean either is fine tbh won't have many issues
little oasis
yeah but 16gb is costly and im selling my old pc so if the person wants better r...
this, but they won't gain much from upgrading the RAM, specially at today's prices
marsh gull
this, but they won't gain much from upgrading the RAM, specially at today's pric...
yeah tbh if its dual-channel 8gb is fine for what my old pc can do
pale quartz
once you enter 2:1 territory you need raw synthetics to bypass the latency penalty which isn't happening unless you've got some insane kit of 4800 at CL20 or whatever and even then it probably won't even boot
little oasis
yeah tbh if its dual-channel 8gb is fine for what my old pc can do
8gb is a little bit too low nowadays, even with a good GPU
I'd say that 16Gb of ram became the new standard
pale quartz
eh they're selling it it's kind of a different situation
the end buyer it's bad but nobody cares about them anyways
little point upgrading the memory you just reduce your net profit
marsh gull
8gb is a little bit too low nowadays, even with a good GPU
its for a pc that im selling for max profit thb they can upgrade the ram themselves
marsh gull
I'd say that 16Gb of ram became the new standard
ofc
lyric drift
question for my pc friends: what keyboards do you guys use? i'm thinking of getting a tenkeyless one so i have more space to move my mouse
pale quartz
question for my pc friends: what keyboards do you guys use? i'm thinking of gett...
generally the kind of switches being used are the most important factor
clicky gx brown etc
everyone has a personal preference
marsh gull
question for my pc friends: what keyboards do you guys use? i'm thinking of gett...
i have a razer blackwidow v3
2019 edition
marsh gull
generally the kind of switches being used are the most important factor
fair enouph
latent light
I tried the custom switches on my brother's keyboard and they were very close to dead silent but still gave that feeling of a click
They were nice
latent light
You should see how bad the soldering is on my guitar for the wiring of the pickups and knobs
Bad enough to fuck up the electrical interference
Ever since I soldered it myself I get so much buzzing when plugged in
Ground wire is connected
storm osprey
Did he say what he has?
lofty kindle
Are stock cpu coolers good for gaming?
lofty light
pale quartz
Are stock cpu coolers good for gaming?
short answer no long answer it depends
lofty light
Outside of amd ones no
modern gull
Are stock cpu coolers good for gaming?
If your cpu comes with a cooler then that's probably good enough
heavy crow
tech
odd rampart
yes
toxic wigeon
So when will the 12th gen intel cpus be released?
quick locust
So when will the 12th gen intel cpus be released?
Nov 8th iirc
4th for first 4 i think
toxic wigeon
Ohhhhh
prime jasper
tech
marsh gull
Are stock cpu coolers good for gaming?
depends on which one and what cpu
lyric drift
Did he say what he has?
Was that for me? I have a Logitech g513. Solid keyboard but I just want more space on my desk to move my mouse
pale quartz
So when will the 12th gen intel cpus be released?
8th is the official some retailers started shipping them last week
prime jasper
tech
storm osprey
Was that for me? I have a Logitech g513. Solid keyboard but I just want more spa...
nah that was for grim and his friends fancy switches
storm osprey
I just know they were expensive, $150 for the set
shit at that price id probably say zilents by zealpc
supple bane
nyphon you might find this interesting, the logitech gx switches are just kailh switches
i looked under a magnifying glass and the switches have kailh written on them.
so just rebranded to "logitech gx"
storm osprey
its like psus, hardy any big brand actually make the product, they just have another brand make it for them and they put their name on it
supple bane
except in this case they dont even put their name on it lol
storm osprey
i want to say like 80% of switches are made by kailh or gateron
supple bane
they just tell you they are Logitech switches
storm osprey
well for other products its putting on a sticker, switches are tooled to emboss the manufacturer on it so taking it off is probably costly
@supple bane
this is for that corsair screen AIO attachment
pale quartz
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-epyc-turin-with-zen5-cores-rumored-to-feature-ma...
suppose AMD need to leak something before ADL gets into the news cycle
pale quartz
it'll have some legitimacy ig they'd rather leak epyc than Zen 5 ryzen products
latent light
Genoa stepped up to 400W but damn Turin going up to 600W
Zen 5 design is still unknown
256 cores wtf
pale quartz
3d stacked CCDs 🙂
latent light
Zen 5 maybe has more cores per CCD, or CCDs are smaller to fit more, or maybe SP5 socket can hold many more CCDs than SP3
rain void
What are some good white rgb 120mm case fans?
storm osprey
i implore you to disregard the light ways and to get arctic p12
slim quarry
I'm upgraded to rtx 3060 from gtx 950 on 2 gb
But my cpu is burning trying hold that gpu
What cooling systems you can recommended? (not liquid they are too expensive)
Also my cooling system hell old btw
storm osprey
budget is really the main concern
slim quarry
Ryzen 5 3600 (overclocked a bit)
pale quartz
is this the non X?
pale quartz
and by overclock are you meaning custom clocked or PBO
slim quarry
Custom clocked
pale quartz
kk turn that off enable pbo and unlock the power limit
pale quartz
well your issue right now is too much voltage
slim quarry
Uhm
pale quartz
you can use pbo and keep your current cooler
slim quarry
My temp around 66
pale quartz
is it 66 under all core?
storm osprey
id only be concerned if you were over 80c... hell even 80c is under throttle iirc
pale quartz
or is this single core?
slim quarry
All core
pale quartz
it's fine then
pale quartz
yeah not happening
quick locust
60 range is just fine
pale quartz
not even 360mm AIOs are going to get you to 40 degrees under all core
pale quartz
yeah those temperatures are perfectly fine
slim quarry
Like 66° on all processor?
pale quartz
yes it's fine
slim quarry
Benchmark just turns off my pc bro
storm osprey
if you really want an aftermarket cooler i would say this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08BY9P911?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1 , but your temps are fine
slim quarry
And games same.
pale quartz
I'm sorry to tell you but you aren't going to solve your problem with a new cooler
it's going to happen regardless
slim quarry
Um
pale quartz
Zen 2 especially non X are not designed to be pushed on the core clocks
turn them off if you're really wanting to push it for some reason look into practical tools like usmus or use PBO
custom overclocks don't work well for Zen 2
pale quartz
on the frequency right?
pale quartz
yeah get rid of your frequency overclock and you'll solve your crashing issue
supple bane
you arent crashing because you are too hot, you are crashing because your overclock is unstable
pale quartz
^
slim quarry
When I got that processor I tried to overclock it bit, then it's got hot, I'm put it on stock and it was stable but temps was hard. Then I turned on PBO from stock and it was same temperatures.
pale quartz
ah
pale quartz
you fried the tags on the processor then
supple bane
i get around those on a 240mm aio
pale quartz
this is exactly why you do not overclock frequencies
slim quarry
Let me turn it off from overclock at bios.
supple bane
this is exactly why you do not overclock frequencies
if you dont know what you are doing*
slim quarry
Back.
supple bane
that was quick >_>
slim quarry
Okay wait let me check temps.
Yeah
64 rn
Bruh
Okay I need new cooling..
I'm sure
supple bane
what cooler do you have rn?
slim quarry
Idk
supple bane
DM me a picture of inside your case
supple bane
a 3600 would have to be on a REALLY bad cooler for it to hit 60s on idle
a hunk of metal should do better than that. did you use thermal paste when you put the cooler on ?
slim quarry
It is stock cooler from my past processor.
Yeah
I somehow see AMD name on it
It's so died
Bruh
supple bane
could you just send me a picture
supple bane
a wraith ?
slim quarry
But it's all in dust
supple bane
should be more than enough for a 3600
slim quarry
It is not.
supple bane
i know for a fact that it is :P
slim quarry
3600 kinda hot processor.
supple bane
ive never heard of that but it would make sense given what he is saying
pale quartz
zen 2 uses onboard tags for measuring the temperatures, they die quite easily once you get into frequency meddling
which is why you dont
slim quarry
Uhh
plucky token
happend to my 9900k as well
slim quarry
I guess it's cooling issue.
plucky token
pale quartz
happend to my 9900k as well
yeah, one of the consequences you pay for touching it
supple bane
just temperature mis-reporting?
plucky token
well. i know its not hot
pale quartz
what are the exact symptoms of this?
incorrect measurement scaling
slim quarry
what are the exact symptoms of this?
He just hot no more issues
Crashes sometimes
Blue screens
pale quartz
once a tag dies it isnt reported on by the CPPC