technology

[clear widget]

well it does have a higher IPC lol

[toxic zealot]

did intel lower the nm

or they still sitting on 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[clear widget]

10nm

[pale quartz]

ADL is built on 10nm

[pale quartz]

it isnt just higher IPC

ADL uses a big.little architecture

it will be the "second" of its kind to ever launch

[clear widget]

big endian?

oh nvm

ya i know about the P core stuff

its pretty neat i feel like we will end up paying a premium for it

[pale quartz]

its not a feeling, its a fact

[clear widget]

lol

[pale quartz]

and by premium, its more than youre thinking

the top ADL SKU is $800 to purchase

[clear widget]

i mean where its insanely useful is phone processors

[toxic zealot]

5.3ghz clock speeds huh

[clear widget]

i daily 5.2

[toxic zealot]

they must be eating a lot of watts

[pale quartz]

big.little is very useful in desktops aswell as mobile

[clear widget]

mm not that much

[pale quartz]

mobile SOC's have always been at the forefront of CPU architecture design, because it has to be

[toxic zealot]

how much watts does 5950x eat

[pale quartz]

depends what youre asking

total core load/PBO/etc

[toxic zealot]

16 core max load

[pale quartz]

with PBO unlocked or not

[clear widget]

ryzen is way more efficient in wattage

[toxic zealot]

stock settings

[pale quartz]

it varies, however around 230 watts

[toxic zealot]

12900k is supposedly 250

[clear widget]

... thats not too far from where my 9700k is at

obviously im at 1.38v

[pale quartz]

the 12900k will definitely be more than 250 watts

final optimisations arent finished yet

[clear widget]

10900k was hitting 300 xD

not even joking

[pale quartz]

and intel dont care about power consumption, they havent for a while

[pale quartz]

you think thats bad

[toxic zealot]

manufacturers will be soon hitting powerload caps with those clock increases lol

[pale quartz]

but the 11900k can exceed 330 watts

[toxic zealot]

jesus

[pale quartz]

rocket lake is a failed product

[toxic zealot]

330w on consumer cpu lmao

[pale quartz]

thats what happens when you dont build processors correctly

[clear widget]

electric bill pog

[torpid tapir]

I got lost connection from server in BF5, anyone can help?

[pale quartz]

nah not particularly

[clear widget]

ive been getting the same thing

[pale quartz]

no consumer is actively pushing entire core utilisation for a long time

[clear widget]

ea servers are being worked on i think

[pale quartz]

if ever

[opaque saddle]

I think they built their processors with the wrong architecture overtime …

[clear widget]

im still using intels speed step to drop clocks when not under load

[torpid tapir]

I will start game again next time then

[toxic zealot]

intel was supposed to be on 10nm

like 5 years ago?

idk

been long time

[pale quartz]

youre somewhat right

[clear widget]

ya... i mean your not wrong

[pale quartz]

rocket lake's architecture was built from scratch to be built on 10nm

[opaque saddle]

Coz the MacBook Pro 2016 lineups were meant to use 10nm processors

[pale quartz]

it had to be backported to 14nm because of defects on the 10nm process which were found too late

which is why youve got this, abomination, failure of a product with less cores than its prior generation

[pine dome]

how do i take the survey for battlfield 2042 bc i didnt get an email

[clear widget]

the issue is they thought they could still compete and set a high price

[pale quartz]

nah

they knew RKL was a failed product from the beginning

it wasnt any kind of secret

[opaque saddle]

They keeps adding cores on an ageing architecture

[pale quartz]

but they had no choice but to release the product

what intel did try and do was pretend everything was absolutely fine when they knew it was a worse than bulldozer release of a product

[opaque saddle]

But you know, they can get away from it

[pale quartz]

eh, get away with, not particularly

RKL was a failure for ASP sale prices

[toxic zealot]

they get away untill consumers lose trust

consumer aka the big guys like dell etc

since average guy doesnt matter

and servers where they get destroyed lately

[pale quartz]

less than 2 weeks after it launched intel has to slash the price of the processors because nobody bought them

[opaque saddle]

Apple was actually the first one left Intel for their affordable consumer product lineups

[pale quartz]

and there's a reason intel would prefer that RKL never existed, which is why barely 6 months after its release, you didn't hear them mention it whatsoever

[toxic zealot]

apple is enormous loss for intel

but how they are going to beat that apple arm

[clear widget]

so are the consoles

[torpid tapir]

I can't play right now, both BF1 and BF5 can not connect to server. 😭

[toxic zealot]

origin servers are half down

[clear widget]

i cant play bf4

[opaque saddle]

Actually Apple isn’t doing much in sales for intel, but they have major influences on how they see the markets

[clear widget]

apples not doing well themselves

[pale quartz]

Apple have always hated intel

has been a closed secret for years

[clear widget]

their phones are just constant copy pastes

[torpid tapir]

They fixing something?

[toxic zealot]

idk

i hate apple products

not fixable ,overpriced( for me )

[clear widget]

they have been outclassed by performance resolution refresh rate all with a longer battery life

i mean phones that are not apple have pulled way far ahead

at this point anyone buying iphones is buying the OS

[toxic zealot]

most business people i know buy apple to flex to their clients that they have expensive equipement

[opaque saddle]

I saw people often are unhappy about the price of the Xeon Mac Pro while they might forgot how much intel charges for their Xeon processors

[pale quartz]

lol you all misunderstand what the M1 chip is, and what intel aim for

[clear widget]

and of course trapped in the shady marketing that is imessage icloud and all the other storage you cant access without apple

[pale quartz]

the M1 chip is already beaten where it's needed, that is HPC parts, the M1 chip is a chip built for efficiency, not performance

[paper bridge]

I have iPhone

And love iphone

[toxic zealot]

ofc

[pale quartz]

intel are a company that focus on raw performance at the expense of efficiency

[toxic zealot]

i havent seen high performance arm chips yet

[pale quartz]

they do exist

[opaque saddle]

I still think M1 is trying eat up the existing iPad Pro “X series of the A processors”

[pale quartz]

ARM will be the next clearer of server HPC parts if Nvidia have their way

[toxic zealot]

i mean in consumer space

[opaque saddle]

Coz they were gone now, pretty much

[toxic zealot]

servers have been using arm since some time

[pale quartz]

consumer side it will take a while

however AMD and intel both know it's coming

they aren't stupid

[toxic zealot]

or rather supercomputers that dont need single core

[pale quartz]

x86 has been around since computers have basically been around, it takes a lot more than performance for ARM to take over

and for consumer desktops 99% of the market use the x86 ISA

it's a lot more complicated than people think

[toxic zealot]

arm is one of the ways to finally up performance without cranking wattage to maximum and going lower more expensive nm process

[opaque saddle]

I don’t think people cares too much about single cores from super computers since they have many, so many processors on it

[toxic zealot]

but the transition oof

[pale quartz]

in terms of HPC single core does matter however not to the degree as consumer chips

[opaque saddle]

Apple did a great job on the transition tho

[toxic zealot]

i want all of my windows apps to work on arm

[pale quartz]

software is specifically designed around NUMA and the like

rather than single core throughput

[toxic zealot]

i know that arm can simulate x86 to some extent?

[opaque saddle]

It actually went from the worst laptop to the best laptop ever

[pale quartz]

windows already works on ARM

[opaque saddle]

Only on macOS

[pale quartz]

it has for years

[toxic zealot]

does everything work on it? i dont know whats the exact situation with it

[pale quartz]

apps however are custom code there's no guarantee everything will ever work at a stable manner

[pale quartz]

everything from Windows? yes

custom apps, not so much

depends how it's built

if it uses UWP it will work with ARM

if it uses win32 it wont

[clear widget]

lmao galaxy is 1440p at 120hz while iphone 13 is 1170 at 60hz and the galaxy still has a longer battery life lOL

[toxic zealot]

so its up to developers

[opaque saddle]

I think people can try running windows, via macOS via Virtual machine with ARM processors

[toxic zealot]

whether arm will replace x86

[pale quartz]

it isn't so much, developer choice

it's a complicated equation with when an app was developed, what they are aiming for, and what the framework being used is

[toxic zealot]

they make apple phones as thin as f possible so they cant even fit proper battery in there

[opaque saddle]

It won’t do 100% of the task tho

[pale quartz]

there are thousands and thousands pieces of software which do not use UWP which were built in say 2012, because UWP didn't exist

[pale quartz]

it is possible however won't be for long

[clear widget]

galaxy is not really thick either

[pale quartz]

how it's done right now is something dreaded up through a nightmare

[clear widget]

like i said apple is literally just charging a premium for being apple

[toxic zealot]

iphone 13 has 3240mah battery

[pale quartz]

ehh it's not so simple

[toxic zealot]

which is laughable for current gen phone

[pale quartz]

Apple have great custom hardware

and a great software stack

[clear widget]

there is no question that the components they are using are cheaper and weaker

[pale quartz]

having total control over how hardware is designed, has that benefit

[clear widget]

well cheaper from the manufacturer

[pale quartz]

they definitely are not

these are custom made parts

[clear widget]

the parts are still expensive if you buy them individually

[toxic zealot]

i remember the iphone and macbook gates

[pale quartz]

not some silly intel premium core based part

[toxic zealot]

where there was certain part that always broke

idk if its still a thing

[clear widget]

sure but they are weaker components

[pale quartz]

they are entirely built, designed, programmed and integrated by apple

that alone is not "weaker" components

[opaque saddle]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oet8GoDopVc

[clear widget]

i mean they are outright being beat in ever spec you cant think the components are stronger

[pale quartz]

you're wrong

apple's competitor is Qualcomm with the Snapdragon line which use ARM based kyro cores

Apple loses in GPU performance, they however, totally dominate in raw CPU performance

[clear widget]

you REALLY dont know how much they are paying the manufacturer here

[pale quartz]

no, I'm not interested by that, you are saying something that isn't true

[clear widget]

thats between them and the sweat shops

[pale quartz]

like, at all

apple's practices are unethical, they are not however weak components

far from it infact

[clear widget]

theyve got a good cpu going for them

thats about it

[pale quartz]

Apple do not design just the CPU

they design the entire SOC of the iPhone

[clear widget]

everything else is at its limits

they even cheaped out on the cpu cooling

they let the phone throttle

[pale quartz]

yes, it doesn't mean it is supposedly "weak"

I really don't know where you are getting this idea from

it's total fabrication

[clear widget]

right but it does mean the component will probably wear out quiicker

[pale quartz]

no

it doesnt

[clear widget]

i mean the cpu is literally kept thremal throttled

[pale quartz]

you understand thermal throttling exists to prevent tearing right?

[toxic zealot]

for cpu it shouldnt matter whether its kept at 20c or 90c

[pale quartz]

not induce it?

and that temperatures do not cause wear of a processor?

[clear widget]

right but any extra head adds to the degradations

[pale quartz]

no, it doesn't

[clear widget]

all temps practically degrade the cpu

[toxic zealot]

thermal expansion does wear processor

[pale quartz]

what you are claiming is not at all based in reality, sorry

[clear widget]

but its a curve

[pale quartz]

and it's totally made up

based on nothing whatsoever and it's totally wrong

[toxic zealot]

but its designed to temp range where its not significant

from what i understand

[clear widget]

ok well sorry to break the news to you

[pale quartz]

I don't even buy Apple products but you're just not correct

[clear widget]

heat leads to quicker degredation

heat + voltage are the primary reasons

[pale quartz]

do you understand that silicon is designed to run at high temperatures?

no, voltage is

not heat

[clear widget]

of course

BULLSHIT

[pale quartz]

what?

[clear widget]

sorry but your wrong

its heat and voltage

[pale quartz]

...

what do you think, drives, heat?

[clear widget]

if i can get the curve from onlione

im talking abou tcpus

[pale quartz]

answer that, it's not a trick question

[clear widget]

one sec

[pale quartz]

no, answer it now

you said it already

it's voltage lol

[clear widget]

actually hardcore overclocking

he did all the math

literally

buidzoid

[pale quartz]

oh you mean the guy who said that Zen 3 heat didn't matter, because it doesn't?

and that voltage is what induces extra heat, being the primary degradation cause for chips?

[clear widget]

he has like a 50minute video about how heat and voltage are corelated

[pale quartz]

yes, as I'm trying to explain to you

voltage correlates with heat utilisation

[clear widget]

and an increase in either leads to an increase in degradation

in all cpus

[pale quartz]

do you not understand that what drives heat is the voltage?

[clear widget]

both heat and voltage kill

of course

but low voltages inefficiently cooled can still degrade cpus

[pale quartz]

so you understand that heat literally cannot be generated on a chip at all if there isn't a voltage current running through it?

[clear widget]

if there is 0 voltage?

well no shit

[pale quartz]

yes as I said lol

[clear widget]

im talking about running stock

[pale quartz]

you are backing up my point for me

[clear widget]

your standard voltage

if you raise the heat you raiser the degredation

[pale quartz]

there is no such thing as a standard voltage

[clear widget]

at standard operating voltage

[pale quartz]

that's made up

[clear widget]

well theres a range

[toxic zealot]

but there is heat limit on every cpu since they started existing

internal limiter

[clear widget]

why do you have to be so smart ass about every answertr

[pale quartz]

no, voltage currents are determined by LLC's, which are determined by the motherboard manufacturer

[clear widget]

you clearly understand me

but you pretend like your not understanding

[coarse nimbus]

first time in tech?

[pale quartz]

I'm not being smart, I'm just explaining to you why you are wrong

lol

if you don't like it that's not my problem

[clear widget]

well clearly you just jumped the the argument that im wrong in the case that the cpu is at 0 voltage

like WDF?

[pale quartz]

no I didn't I clearly detailed why you are wrong, there is nothing wrong, with being wrong

[clear widget]

i tell you during standard operating voltage you tell me that doesnt exist

[pale quartz]

yes, there is no such thing as a standard operating voltage

my LLC explanation tells you why

[clear widget]

if you wanna be a smart ass there isnt

[pale quartz]

call me what you want, it doesn't change the fact of the situation

I'm not trying to be correct or something, I'm just explaining things

[clear widget]

i found the immage

i cant post it so youll get a dm

[pale quartz]

my dms are off

or not cause they're in another server

[clear widget]

well its a chart of current and temps

an increase in their increases degredation

and theres a graph of this increase

[toxic zealot]

send link to article

[pale quartz]

yes.. as I said before, heat generation is determined by voltage

[clear widget]

its buildzoid not an article

[pale quartz]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say

[toxic zealot]

[clear widget]

he literarily degraded like 5 cpus and killed like 10 more for testing

actually i think it was much more than that

anyway he just nuked a bunch of processors to prove a point

[pale quartz]

yes, the point was that too much voltage will kill a processor

[clear widget]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMHUz16MuYA&t=1137s

[pale quartz]

which is why the curve is there to begin with

[clear widget]

37:40

[strong pilot]

I got my bf4 work bt

btw*

[pale quartz]

so I'm not really sure what else you're trying to say

[clear widget]

its very clear that temp has a significant impact on degredation

thats not even an arguement

thats kinda common sense

[pale quartz]

no, you misunderstand the entire situation lol

heat generation is a byproduct of voltage

it has no influence, at all, on how a CPU "degrades"

[clear widget]

when your wrong its all just a misunderstanding

[pale quartz]

bullzoid calibrates voltage to prove a point

it's literally in the video

[clear widget]

its not just voltage

[pale quartz]

and that point is too much voltage will kill a product

[clear widget]

heat is generated by clocks

[pale quartz]

...

[toxic zealot]

more voltage over design = higher electromigration

[clear widget]

more voltage raises temps but its not the only thing that creates heat

[toxic zealot]

🤔

[clear widget]

like obviously

[pale quartz]

no, it is lol

[clear widget]

wdf?

[pale quartz]

clocks do not "create" heat

it's literally impossible for them to

[clear widget]

um

your wrong

if you think its just voltage thats responsible for heat your crazy

[toxic zealot]

higher current = more heat

[pale quartz]

you understand why higher clock speeds require a higher voltage?

[clear widget]

either that or this this is another one of your missunderstandings

[pale quartz]

not at all

it's how electricity works

[clear widget]

no shit buts its not the only thing reponsible for heat

[toxic zealot]

then what else is in a cpu

[pale quartz]

I'm sorry to tell you lol but you're just wrong

higher clocks don't magically generate heat out of thin air

the reason they "produce" higher temperatures is because a higher current is being pushed through

[clear widget]

older cpus required higher voltage and less cooling for a reason

[pale quartz]

yes.. because voltages were driving heat

[clear widget]

read your own comment again

[pale quartz]

I did, ive repeated the same thing 11 times now

[coarse nimbus]

i mean if its so annoying for you to repeat yourself then just go away?

[clear widget]

older cpus require HIGHER voltage but need LESS cooling

raise your CPU clocks right now do it

[pale quartz]

no, they don't lol older CPUs have a lower defacto clock and voltage rate

[clear widget]

if you raise your clocks and leave your voltage the same in manual

GUESS WHAT HAPPENS

your temps go up

magic

[pale quartz]

no, there is still more current going through lol

[toxic zealot]

i think you should go back to highschool physics

[clear widget]

right

not voltage

the voltage is the same

[pale quartz]

current is voltage..

..

[clear widget]

this is why i call you a smart ass

you see

[pale quartz]

? I'm just telling you stuff lol

[clear widget]

current in voltage

lets just ignore resistance

[pale quartz]

you're getting annoyed at me explaining things to you

[clear widget]

lets just pretend like your making a logical argument

[pale quartz]

resistance, the thing that affects voltage?

because a current is what voltage is to begin with?

[pale quartz]

yeah this is a bit strange tbh

[clear widget]

man you just clowned lmao

[toxic zealot]

V(V) = I(A) × R(Ω)

[clear widget]

right

lets just ignore resistancve

like i said

than maybe we will be on the same page

[pale quartz]

what has resistance got to do with anything?

[clear widget]

im talkling about current hes talking about voltage

voltage is not the single driver of heat

thats the bottom line

[pale quartz]

yes, it is, for CPUs

I'm not sure how else to say it

you said it was, so, I'm not sure why you're backtracking now

[clear widget]

ok so why like i said when you increase clock speed do temps go up

voltage at the same level

1.35 no droop

[pale quartz]

because a motherboard naturally scales its voltage, which is why LLC, exists to begin with

[clear widget]

your load line is max

[pale quartz]

it doesn't matter if you lock the voltage or not

it will increase it in other areas

[clear widget]

once again load line maxed

your voltage under load will be 1.35

[pale quartz]

yes, CPUs are a lot more complicated than just the raw core

[clear widget]

at 5.0 and at 5.2

[pale quartz]

here's an interesting thing, you bump the frequency, lock the frequency, do you know what the motherboard does? it will increase the relative SOC voltages to the chip

[clear widget]

ill set SOC to 1.15

[pale quartz]

you do that, it will increase it elsewhere lol

[toxic zealot]

dont worry overclocking doesnt break law of physics

lol

[pale quartz]

you misunderstand how CPU voltages work, it isnt just about the core

[clear widget]

look some CPUS run hotter at different voltages

different types of cooolers = different temsp

[pale quartz]

yes because CPUs are manufactured differently with different processes such as soldering, delidding, temperature gauges from each other

[clear widget]

theres a lot of ways temps can be different

[pale quartz]

they are not equal

[clear widget]

with the same voltage

[pale quartz]

it doesn't change you are still wrong

[clear widget]

.... ok bro

but im not

higher heat = higher degredation

thats the core principle

[pale quartz]

no, it's not

[clear widget]

your still trying to smart ass your way out of that

[pale quartz]

infact you even said so

[pale quartz]

here

you backed up my point for me

[clear widget]

right

what???

im litrerally aruging that

im literally telling you

IVE BEEN TELLING YOUI

[pale quartz]

calm down please

no point getting angry

[toxic zealot]

if electronics degradation that have atom sized thicknessess was that simple lol

[clear widget]

that shittier cooling raises temps and raises DEGREDATION

like ive been saying that for the past hour

thats why i was talking about apples shitty cooling

[pale quartz]

yes, and I've been telling you that temperatures from a chip are driven from its voltage, which, it is

[clear widget]

and how in order to be space efficient they let their cpus thermal throttle

[pale quartz]

and that's why heat doesn't degrade a chip

because it literally, doesn't produce any

[clear widget]

what kind of shit are you smoking

[pale quartz]

nothing at all

[pale quartz]

^

your insults aside it isn't really controversial, it's just how heat induction works

[clear widget]

im not insulting

your just twisting your words constantly

[pale quartz]

no, I'm pretty clear in that I've said the same thing 19 times now pretty concisely

[clear widget]

so after all that apparently we were on the same page

cause thats literally what ive been saying since an hour ago

[pale quartz]

we aren't but, if it helps you you can say we are, not my decision

[clear widget]

lmao what

ok so my guy last very simple example

[pale quartz]

if you want to think that sure go ahead, I won't make that decision

[clear widget]

before i actually lose my brain

I take off my cooler right now

somehow the theral throttle doesnt activate

and by pure magic the cpu doesnt die

your telling my im not gonna degrade the cpu

[toxic zealot]

no

[pale quartz]

correct, because chips are designed to self regulate themselves

[clear widget]

once agfain

SELF REGULATION ASSIDE

[toxic zealot]

because people at intel and amd are smarter than you and they operate where they will last the same time whether its 500w xeon or 100w i5

[pale quartz]

you cannot put aside self regulation

[clear widget]

or fine self regulation your thermal throttling at 105c

[pale quartz]

it is core to a chips design

[clear widget]

this is conseptual

its to prove a point

[pale quartz]

it's not a very good conceptual point because it's wrong

[clear widget]

your thermal throttling at 105c

the PC next to you is at 60c

which one degrades faster

[pale quartz]

neither

because as I said before, the voltage to the chip will be reduced automatically by the motherboard

[clear widget]

ya but your straight up sacrificing the clocks

[pale quartz]

yes, which is entirely natural

[clear widget]

ok so if your not at its limit

right

wait

we go back to not being limited

your not throttle but your at 104c

and the other pc is 60c

the voltage is the same

[pale quartz]

well what you're describing now isn't in the realm of feasibility because throttling isn't one temperature

[clear widget]

the cooling solution is different

[pale quartz]

and voltage is never static

[clear widget]

lmao answer the question

which degrades more

the pc not throttling at 104c vs the 60c pc

[pale quartz]

I did answer your question neither degrade because a chip forces itself to downclock or reduce its voltage

that doesn't change

[clear widget]

once again your simply at a higher temp

[pale quartz]

it doesn't matter if you leave it static a CPU will do it on its own

[clear widget]

your not being throttled

[pale quartz]

if you arent being throttled then again neither degrade faster lol

[clear widget]

it doesnt drop its clocks

[toxic zealot]

aerial what do you not understand in that its designed to not degrade in that range

[pale quartz]

because those are normal operating range temperatures

[clear widget]

lmao

your wrong

like completely

[pale quartz]

you're describing something that isn't a processor, sorry

[clear widget]

and thats what im saying

at that higher temp you are degradig

theres no questions

[pale quartz]

please read this

[clear widget]

the fact that your still dodging this is ridiculous

[pale quartz]

and read it seriously

[clear widget]

one again the voltage is the same on both systems

vdroop is the same

because llc is maxed

[pale quartz]

I just told you

[clear widget]

and VCCIO and everything on the motherboard is preset

[pale quartz]

CPU voltages if forced to reduce themselves

it doesn't matter if you lock them

[clear widget]

ok but they dont

if that was the case higher temps would cause me to crash

like wdfd

[pale quartz]

they do.. it's called a CPU fail-safe mechanism..

[clear widget]

NO

crash under the fail safe

crash from instability

because voltage is lower

and the voltage cant keep the clocks

[pale quartz]

no, because as I said before, it doesnt terminate the voltage

it drops it low enough to reduce the temperature

not to crash a system

[clear widget]

that makes no sense

everything is preset

in the bios

what are you not getting

any kind of drop when your at your stability limit will crash you

[pale quartz]

apparently what you are not getting is that a BIOS cannot override a CPUs fail safe mechanism

regardless of your settings

[clear widget]

obviously there is no drop because im just as stable at 60c as i am at 105c

how are you still arguing this

[pale quartz]

because you are wrong?

[clear widget]

obviously it cant IM NOT TLAKING ABOUT FAILSAFES

why do you keep bringing up failsafe

we are at 104c no failsafe triggered

its simply a worse cooling solution

same voltage

[pale quartz]

because you somehow ignoring failsafes means you aren't talking about a CPU anymore lol

you're talking about a radiator now

[clear widget]

we arent ignoring them

we are not hitting them

[pale quartz]

you think failsafes activate at one temperature?

[clear widget]

how is this so hard to understand

[pale quartz]

it is a thermal range

and not one simple thing to activate

[clear widget]

im talking about he shutoff point

[pale quartz]

it's a complicated equation, not one set attribute

[clear widget]

when temps get over operation temps theres a failsafe

that limit is usually like 90-105

so if we take 1 pc at 90c and one at 60

same voltage

same actual voltage

[pale quartz]

yes so as I said 3 times before, a CPU running at a point which does not trigger a CPU fail-safe if it's at 89 degrees, or 70 degrees will not degrade faster than one another

[clear widget]

like if you measure on the back on the mobo

the voltage to the cpu is the same

[pale quartz]

because the point of degradation is never reached

[clear widget]

cards always degrade

always

[pale quartz]

cards?

[toxic zealot]

well i actually never thought whats the physical reason for instability in increasing clocks without increasing core cpu voltage

[pale quartz]

these are processors

not cards

[clear widget]

like seriously i hate that so much

[pale quartz]

if you're going to get angry, please stop

it isn't healthy

I'm just telling you basic things

[clear widget]

i dont wanna be rude but when you say stupid shit liek that

[pale quartz]

it isn't stupid

it was about processors not graphics cards

[clear widget]

you know im talkking about a processor

your probably a grammar police too

im surprised i havent seen you're** yet

[pale quartz]

not particularly, you said cards, so how am I to know any better

[clear widget]

anyways cpus always degrade

and gpus for that matter

[pale quartz]

don't include GPUs please

[clear widget]

they dont degrade at the same ratre

[pale quartz]

these are 2 different pieces of hardware

[clear widget]

running higher temps i could be losing 50mhz per year

[pale quartz]

please re-read this

[clear widget]

ya so right there

your flat out wrong

like not even 10%

your 100% wrong

[pale quartz]

yes, not even 10%

a 10% degradation is a big decrease

[clear widget]

i think your actually trolling

[pale quartz]

by that math CPUs stop working after 10 years

[clear widget]

are you just messing with me

[pale quartz]

how am I trolling?

[clear widget]

ok ya your just a troll

[pale quartz]

huh?

[clear widget]

try trolling someone else

[pale quartz]

you said that it degrades by 10% per year, if it degrades by 10% a year that means a processor has lost 1/5th of its performance after 2 years

[clear widget]

your not 10% WRONG your 100% wrong

your an idiot

[pale quartz]

and will cease to function after 10

[clear widget]

and a smart ass

you know exactly what i said

[pale quartz]

yes, I just repeated what you said

and what you said was wrong

[clear widget]

i said degrades 50mhz per year

the 10% has nothing to do with this

i said your 100% wrong

[pale quartz]

I'm not sure where you got this from

50mhz is an insane degradation

[clear widget]

.... right

[pale quartz]

and no, like I said, it will not

[clear widget]

its a hypothetical

and it does hapen

buildzoid degraded 100mhz and had to drop clocks in the same video

mostly because of voltage

[pale quartz]

yes maybe if you run your processor at max voltage 24/7, but the idea any processor is just randomly going to lose 50MHz stock is insane

per year aswell

[clear widget]

"max voltage"

your degrading cpus when they are at higher temps

the more you know

im kinda done saying this overr and over

[pale quartz]

you know that the entire point bulldzoid did the video was to show under what circumstances processors fry? when they are ran at extremely high voltages endlessly?

[clear widget]

sure

[pale quartz]

you can repeat it if you want, it doesn't change you're wrong

[clear widget]

even in the cases of standard use cpus degrade

ive dropped about 20mhz

[pale quartz]

yours which you've got a static voltage?

that is not a standard use case

[clear widget]

if my temps were higher it would degrade more

otherwise whats the point of good cooling eh?

keeping gpus cool also extend their life

the more you know

[pale quartz]

but you fail to understand the entire reason you've dropped frequency to begin with is because you have locked the voltage

it has nothing to do with the heat

[clear widget]

like i said im not gonna keep repeating myself

youve learned something today

heat kills computer components quicker

[pale quartz]

if you don't want to repeat yourself then you'll need to stop, because you're still wrong

[clear widget]

so keep you cooling up to date

unlike apple

[pale quartz]

@toxic zealot this was a, strange discussion

[toxic zealot]

yes

[pale quartz]

was it entertaining to watch?

[toxic zealot]

a little funny

i like how someone can just say random opinion

[pale quartz]

thought so made me have a bit of a laugh

[toxic zealot]

but not provide scientific paper with 1000samples of 50c vs 105c silicon degradation

[pale quartz]

yeah I'm not sure what they were trying to claim honestly, seems like they lost the plot half way through

[clear widget]

at higher temps current is working harder

its a simple concept

[pale quartz]

oh they're back

[clear widget]

i mean i didnt die

[pale quartz]

was funny anyways I'm off to sleep now so talk later ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[clear widget]

we arent he first people to talk about this

https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/a8pt3z/voltage_vs_temps_what_kills_cpus/

the general consensus is literally what ive been saying

[tardy lintel]

I feel like I know the answer to this but I just kinda of want to confirm

If I place my pc on the floor

It should be fine right?

Hardwood

flooring

[pale quartz]

yes it'll be fine, it'll most likely act as a dust magnet however

[tardy lintel]

Okay that’s what I figured

I clean my pc once every two weeks though

Hopefully that will make it okay

[toxic zealot]

man every two weeks

[pale quartz]

OCD?

[tardy lintel]

No lol I just like a clean living space

[pale quartz]

should be like once every few months max

[toxic zealot]

i clean my pc like every 1-2 years at best

[pale quartz]

and there's that extreme for dust ^

[tardy lintel]

LOL bruh that made me cringe lol

1-2 years 😂

[toxic zealot]

realistically i dont need to do it more than once a year really in terms of temps

cuz i have dust filters

[tardy lintel]

Yeah that’s fair

There isn’t really that much to clean

Especially since I do it often

It’s like a 10 min job

[toxic zealot]

takes more than 10 mins for me when the dust starts collecting throught the radiators and under fans

[tardy lintel]

I can imagine

[pale quartz]

see this is what happens if you leave it

[tardy lintel]

Nightmare

[toxic zealot]

de dust 2 pc

[pale quartz]

it still works!

[quick locust]

Except thermtrip

But at that point your cooling needs work

[pale quartz]

[quick locust]

Lul

[quick locust]

Is this smoker dust

[pale quartz]

I have no clue it looks like it doesn't it

stolen from reddit

[quick locust]

Yeah it looks like it

[pale quartz]

yeah it's the bad stuff aswell

[ebon yarrow]

That dumb feeling when you manage to sneak around the company computer group policy of not being able to change background

https://tenor.com/view/hacker-gif-18087134

Found the location of the file, renamed it. Pasted in my own, renamed it
Voilà, no admin perms need

[plucky token]

[quick locust]

sounds like they have high security /s

[balmy tartan]

wdym

[violet sorrel]

I have a trouble with Origin : Could not connect to Internet
How to fix this?

[fallen harbor]

close origin > press windows key + R > type %programdata% > locate the origin folder and delete it > reopen origin

[violet sorrel]

It's not work 😦

[fallen harbor]

huh

idk what else to try atm sorry

gotta google

[violet sorrel]

Thank for your help!

[fallen harbor]

im paying for parallel 300mb but getting only 100mb. Anybody knows if I need a special ethernet cable to get anything higher than 100?

[quick locust]

No just cat 5E and higher

Which is very common

If you use a switch or the router check the ports on it

If one is 100 mbps

That or your network negotiation setting in windows

[ebon yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/duh-ashley-olsen-mary-kate-full-house-young-gif-4463391

[pale quartz]

that's not required make sure your pc is running in full duplex master mode

as mentioned if there's a switch being used, bypass it

[mystic oyster]

What framerate in what games on what settings. Also you need a high refreshtate monitor to see These frames Marina a difference

[balmy tartan]

okay thx

i use medium settings and fps is on vsync so 60

[coarse nimbus]

Nice scam

[ebon yarrow]

It's just a locally stored file, likely just a default when installing

[quick locust]

Ah

[ebon yarrow]

Still though, same feeling

[mystic oyster]

Never use vsync lol. Also if you get that setup you talked about you wanna get a 144hz monitor

[balmy tartan]

i dont want my pc to overheat because it crashes so i use it

[balmy tartan]

im going to get 144 monitor at some point

sorry for shit english

[pale quartz]

use a frame rate limiter

and turn off vsync

[balmy tartan]

okay

[quick locust]

https://youtu.be/ckbbY-fLLkI

Bad value but so is anything rn

[hidden pumice]

Is it worth to upgrade 5800x

I have 3700x and 3080ti

[pale quartz]

in terms of performance? yes it is

[hidden pumice]

Just for game is it worth

[mystic oyster]

All good

[mystic oyster]

Then use an fps cap because vsync brings latency. Or clean your pc lol

[midnight crypt]

you should get that overheating issue looked at and fixed

[proud trellis]

i just got a fatttt clip of me getting like 20 beeps but i cant post it as i was watching the news in the clip

my pc also froze and then i started getting the beeps the whole way through while it was froze

i 100% think its my OS now

[severe widget]

anyone here play battlefield 4 on 21:9? if so howd it look

[pale quartz]

yes

[atomic jackal]

should i have waited for a 3060 ti instead?

i have a non ti

and tbh the performance gap is huge

[low pond]

hey could someone help me with a build i bought a 3070 founders edition im looking to spend about 1800-2000 and id like a black and white theme

[coarse nimbus]

Tfw you're able to get the GPU first

[balmy tartan]

how to set a fps cap in bf 4

dlscord wtf

[storm osprey]

i feel like this could be googled pretty easily

[weak girder]

how does limiting your framerate even help with anything

[storm osprey]

can help with screen tearing and be a smoother experience

[molten coral]

https://lmgtfy.app/?q=how+to+set+a+fps+cap+in+bf+4

[low pond]

So can someone help me

[storm osprey]

!!build

[silent oasis]

ℹ️ Give us an idea of what you're looking for in #technology:

1. What is your budget, currency, and country of purchase?
2. Any preferred physical shops or online sites you prefer to purchase from?
3. Are you gaming or streaming? What's your resolution/FPS target(s)? What games are you playing?
4. If this is not for gaming, what applications you will use and the workload involved? Elaborate as much as possible.
5. What else do you need to buy (i.e. monitor, keyboard, mouse, headset, speakers, operating system, etc.)?
6. Anything else you want to tell us? RGB, Small Form Factor, already have a part list? Tell us!
7. If you have a build list and are looking for a second opinion or are upgrading an existing system, please have a PCPartPicker permalink for it (https://pcpartpicker.com/list).

[storm osprey]

@low pond some vital questions

[low pond]

Ok

[molten coral]

Personally I would get a 5800x, 32GB, 1T NVME, 1TB SSD, 2TB HDD and for mobo pick one that suits your needs and for a case don't cheap out.

[low pond]

I’m going to be mostly buying from Best Buy Amazon or microcenter

Us currency

Gaming

Mostly but school if I have to

I need to buy monitor mouse keyboard and mousepad but that’s not in 1800-2k budget that’s just the pc

Online or in store if needed

[storm osprey]

2k budget is not including gpu right?

[molten coral]

he already bought one

[storm osprey]

ye i just want to make sure that im allocating money correctly

[low pond]

It is including the gpu

[supple bane]

but you said you already brought a 3070?

[low pond]

Yes I know

I’m just trying to get the other parts

Sorry for the confusion

So realistic without the gpu about 1300-1500

[midnight crypt]

that 3070 just ate your entire budget then

[low pond]

I bought it retail price

[storm osprey]

nice

[midnight crypt]

oh

thats nice

[low pond]

Last Friday Best Buy had a restock and I was able to get my hands on one

[storm osprey]

so for the tower only, everything but the gpu, youre budget is 1.5k?

(even though 2k minus a 3070 is likely closer to 1.3k)

[low pond]

Somewhere between 1200 and 1500 would be good

[storm osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GY9Hwz

bang for buck needs

computer parts are getting cheap again

[low pond]

Also idk if I mentioned this but I was going for a black and white theme

[storm osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gt7bqp

[low pond]

Thanks I appreciate it

[storm osprey]

60 bucks more to get white ram and white cpu cooler, case already white and black with a black mb

personally i would get a 2tb nvme drive if you want to spend more, followed by a ram upgrade (even though this can be done later as long as you buy the same exact kit it should work just fine)

[low pond]

I was probably going to do both of those anyways

At least the ssd

I’ll prob do the ram upgrade a little bit more down the line

And will I have to get replacement fans for the case

[storm osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QshXxc

psu upgrade (literally 15 bucks to get 100 more watts), larger/better nvme drive (samsung 970 evo another 15 bucks more than that 2tb drive if you want "the best")

[low pond]

Thanks for the help

[storm osprey]

the case stock has really good thermals so its not an immediate need to upgrade

[low pond]

So it’s not a priority but it will eventually need to be done type of thing

[storm osprey]

ehh "need to be done", no

[low pond]

So I’ll be fine if I don’t

[storm osprey]

yea

adding/changing fans will mostly reduce noise and probably shave a FEW degrees

[low pond]

I was just about to ask would I need to get extra fans

[storm osprey]

from what i can tell it doesnt come with an exhaust fan which is weird

[midnight crypt]

looks like it has 3 in the front though

[storm osprey]

so you can either move 1 of the front fans to the back, or buy a fan for exhaust

prices on a lot of these products seem really good, so you can look for things yourself, i just scrolled through the list starting from the cheapest until i found something i knew was good

[honest bison]

I would get a 360 mm radiator AIO instead

[low pond]

Is jt better!

?

[storm osprey]

360mm rad for a 5800x seems overkill for just gaming

[near rune]

A pc is overkill for just gaming

[storm osprey]

sure, doesnt mean you go even more overkill on a part that doesnt really have a performance impact

hell i bet a mid range tower cooler is good enough for a 5800x

fuma 2 which is a hard capped pwm cpu cooler in a sff case cooling a 5900x...

[honest bison]

Not really

360mm is ideal

[storm osprey]

under what metric?

[pale quartz]

a 360mm for a 5800x is 100% overkill lol

that's not really up for contention

[honest bison]

Having a 360mm is always better tho

Better temps and less noise

[pale quartz]

that's not true

360mm AIOs have a total greater radiator surface they require more active cooling than a 240 or air cooler, which increases noise

[storm osprey]

at best youre talking marginal differences for a fairly decent price hike on the rad alone... not even mentioning getting a case that actually supports it will also increase costs

[honest bison]

My 10850k on a h100i (240mm) gets quite hot / 70+ while gaming, reaches 80 C sometimes

While on the other hand my other pc with a 10900k and a 360mm rad is not only way quieter but also temps are 65-70C max

H150i cappellix

[pale quartz]

yes a 10900k is not a 5800x

those are literal different leagues of power consumption

[honest bison]

If i could, I would change my h100i for a 360mm rad

[pale quartz]

you know what does need a 360mm? a 10900k/5950x/TR based chip

because that's where it matters most

not some 150 watt chip

[storm osprey]

under 80c are good enough temps too...

[pale quartz]

^

there's nothing wrong with hitting 80 degrees for temperature lol

[storm osprey]

and very unlikely a 5800x will hit that anyway

[honest bison]

im still seeing a 10 c difference. If you can get a better aio for $50 more and not have to worry about temps of having to buy a better aio to chill a more powerful cpu, why not?

[pale quartz]

because it's a false concern to begin with

[storm osprey]

youre seeing a 10c difference between power hungry intel cpus...

[pale quartz]

80 degrees is absolutely fine for temperatures and has been for years

you don't need to "worry about" it whatsoever

[honest bison]

not ideal

[pale quartz]

it is ideal

this false myth that has went around regarding supposed ideal cooling has always been wrong

[supple bane]

for a cpu 80c is actually good for high end cpus lol

[pale quartz]

silicon is designed to operate up to a range of 95 degrees anything up to that is ideal

[storm osprey]

being 15-20c away from throttling temps sound pretty ideal to me...

[pale quartz]

"my temperatures decreased from 72 to 63 degrees for paying more" - aka someone spent more money on something they won't get more performance out of

[supple bane]

heres me at <60c under synthetics

240mm on a r5 2600 baby!

[honest bison]

The way I see it is:
For $50 more you get better temps, and an extra rgb fan. The case he chose includes 3 rgb fans and supports 6 in total, so he would be able to put the 3 included fans on the top or something

To me it is way less noise since the fans don’t have to ramp up as much

[supple bane]

im with deco tho, 50 bucks isnt worth an extra rgb fan

because he wont see any performance gains

[quick locust]

I run at 80 ish full load with my 8700K and NH-D15

[supple bane]

or an increase life span

[pale quartz]

I mean if you're wanting to turn your pc into some rainbow nonsense lightshow then sure spend the extra $50

[supple bane]

you can get a pack of 3 LL120s for less than 50 bucks tho

[honest bison]

LMAO

[pale quartz]

or just get a strip for 10% of the cost of that

[honest bison]

They are like $100

[storm osprey]

you can get 5 arctic p12 for 40 bucks

#p12shillnotashamed

[supple bane]

sorry

50 pounds

like, 70 bucks?

[pale quartz]

it's just wasting money nobody cares about some RGB nonsense lol

especially with a PC

[storm osprey]

i knew i liked deco for a reason

[supple bane]

deco is nyphons spirit animal

[storm osprey]

mmmmmmm no rgb goodness

[supple bane]

you have a gigabyte board?

[storm osprey]

ye

[supple bane]

i thought you hated gigabyte

[quick locust]

jk

[storm osprey]

dont recall ever saying i hated any brand

[supple bane]

well actually lmao, i hate gigabyte and i have a gigabyte gpu and mobo

[storm osprey]

my stance in general is not caring for brand but models

[pale quartz]

I've literally got an entire case of hd120 fans and what did I do with the rgb? turn them off right away

[supple bane]

but those two parts are the reason i hate gigabyte, because they both suck and their support is wank

[quick locust]

Mine

I could replace top fan with a S12A but wouldnt matter

i have a gigabyte board as well

[storm osprey]

in general gigabyte gpus dont seem good, but thats about the worst i have to say about them

[quick locust]

some of them are decent

[supple bane]

windforce cards suck.

i dont think they do that line any more

but they suck either way

[storm osprey]

i guess i should say that gigabyte gpus dont seem worth it compared to other brands

they always just seem good enough for like... 20 dollars cheaper

[quick locust]

my gainward is pretty avg

but does decently enough

[supple bane]

i found the a fix for the infamous windforce rattle, and my toms hardware thread has like 40k views

[quick locust]

Only double msrp

[supple bane]

my thread also gets mentioned in other places.

[quick locust]

[supple bane]

https://streamable.com/vr66y8

this is what the "gigabyte fan rattle" sounds like

idk why that video is like 1 fps but the audio works

[storm osprey]

sounds like a distant lawnmower

[quick locust]

my gigabyte board seem great though, haven't had any issue

while my previous board, Z370A-pro from msi had a few issues

and died, which is why i have a gigabyte board now

[storm osprey]

i think gigabyte generally makes good motherboards? but i think thats the only thing they made good...

[supple bane]

from my testing its the fan blade catching on the shroud, but that obviously wouldnt get past QC. i then also noticed it only happened for me at least when the gpu got to a certain temperature, and if i took the side panel off it would stop

so i believe its the plastic expanding due to heat, then the blade catching the shroud

[cerulean hamlet]

personally I have a gigabyte rtx2070 for two years I think and I never had any problem

[storm osprey]

im not saying they are prone to problems (i have no clue about that), just in terms of price to performance vs other brands they were hardly worth it

[pale quartz]

it really speaks nowadays that one of the worst valued cards in history is actually a "decent" purchase for 2x MSRP

[quick locust]

lmao

nah getting used is better rn

than rx 6600

I moved bfv from my hdd to my ssd

Now I have sub 1 fps and took 2 minutes to load into a battle

Gg

[supple bane]

repair

[quick locust]

already did

I'll try to fix it

[supple bane]

reinstall baby!

you have no idea how many times ive had to reinstall shit this past month lmao

[quick locust]

Same

[supple bane]

i had to do a complete format to move to GPT, then i updated to windows 11, then i moved back to windows 10, then i accidently ended up on windows 11 again, then i was back on windows 10

and each of those times i needed to reinstall things

[quick locust]

lol

[midnight crypt]

Why the hell did you move to 11 now

That was a shit decision

[quick locust]

ive not gotten option to get 11 yet, could do it manually but dont really want to

[supple bane]

funny story, i moved back to windows 10 cuz of bugs, but i forgot to unsub from the beta so one morning i woke up and was just on 11 again

that was a nice "aww fuck" moment

[proud trellis]

when i first put BFV on my SSD my game also froze when loading in which i got pissed about because i bought the SSD to load in wayy faster not have it freeze on me

[quick locust]

Yeah it's odd

[supple bane]

got it on my laptop and it works great.

[quick locust]

I alt tab to the game and it runs fine for a second, then 1 fps again

each time

[proud trellis]

it went away after a few weeks though

it also happened on a few other games aswell that i put on my SSD

but yeah weird it is

[pale quartz]

had it for weeks and it's been totally fine

[midnight crypt]

Yall are brave

[quick locust]

went from this

to this

BFV randomness

[proud trellis]

oh shit wait it freezes in game to ? i thought it was just loading screen it froze on

[quick locust]

Nope not just loading

but runs fine now

[low pond]

@storm osprey weird question but would the corsair 4000d be a good pc case because im looking at reviews and stuff for the Phanteks Eclipse P400A that is has a cheap build quality. Would the corsair one be ok

[storm osprey]

im a sucker for airflow, so if you want the 4000d make sure its the airflow variant

[rapid marsh]

anyone here know any similar app to live text? sadly my iphone 8 plus wasnt supported 😭 so i updated my ios for nothing LOL

[low pond]

@storm osprey if i did get the 4000d would i need to get replacement fans

[storm osprey]

it comes with 2 fans which isnt optimal, but you will have a rad for exhaust so that will help a bit

this sounds like a perfect time to shill the arcitc p12 5 pack of fans

[low pond]

I thought the 4000d came with 3 fans

[low pond]

Are those referring the fans that are “built” in

Referring to

Like at front

The

Jeez I can’t type

[midnight crypt]

You can edit messages

[storm osprey]

yes that means it comes with 2 fans preinstalled, i assume one intake and one exhaust

[honest bison]

The 4000X is the case that comes with 3 Rgb fans

Which look very nice

I have one in white

[storm osprey]

an extra 35 bucks to get rgb fans and 1 more.. ehh

@low pond build quality for a case is kind of a weird point, like as long as its not super flimsy that it dents at every touch (extremely rare), it really doesnt matter

[native idol]

Tell me does a long fps mouse pad really make a difference

[storm osprey]

imo yes, the more space you have the lower you can make your sensitivity, which means you have a larger range of control to be accurate

[radiant ridge]

So I've been having this strange issue on my pc, on any game I play after I turn on my pc and like 5 minutes in my pc crashes but it doesn't crash anymore for the rest of the day

[prime jasper]

every bf game i play hard crashes with no error messagre

no reason

[hot terrace]

memory problem?

when you play the game open task manager and see if your memory is to high

[prime jasper]

bro

[midnight crypt]

ther

[prime jasper]

So respawn is sending me a free chair lol i talked to them about getting a new armrest just armrest lol and they said give em a free chair lol now i need to figure out where to put my other 2 lmfao

[left widget]

Does it recline

[plucky token]

My corsair case came with 0 fans

[honest bison]

Which case

[plucky token]

Obsidian 1000D

[prime jasper]

no bf

sad

[late yacht]

No DLSS

Sadder

[mystic oyster]

Yo guys any audiophiles here ? Wanting to see what you would recommend as a mic setup for around 1.300$ used for streaming and broadcasting

[mystic oyster]

Dont u Read the items description ? Lol

[plucky token]

Like, i knew that there were no fans

But still. 500€ for a case and no fans

[plucky token]

It has dlss. It was just not enabled in the beta

[late yacht]

Ah good to hear (not that it helps with my cpu bottleneck but still)

[plucky token]

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i need to find a way to use my external drives in a cleaner fashion. RN they are plugged into my front usb ports. without them i have 3.5 tb but with them i have 4.5 tb