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storm osprey
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wouldnt the 2 factors be the monitor and the gpu?

pale quartz
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the GPU is the unknown the specification for the monitor is known

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it will weight the choice

storm osprey
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how likely is it that any gpu in the last... 5 years doesnt have hdmi 1.4 though?

willow schooner
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Very unlikely

pale quartz
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1.4 is the minimum, there's a more than probable chance that 2.1 isn't supported and 2.0 is a half bar measurement, PC's as much as the factor is what can they run it's also how easy is it to upgrade the least amount of components to get something

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and on that basis DP purely by default is the "safest choice" by bandwidth specifications

storm osprey
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but hes buying a monitor right now, so if he wants 1080p 144hz that wouldnt really be an upgrade concern any time soon

pale quartz
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unless he decides he wants to upgrade to a 1440p monitor at 144hz which are already on the market for relatively cheap, or wants a 10 bit display

willow schooner
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And here is me...who until recently was still using DVI 😛

storm osprey
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if it doesnt then 2.1?

pale quartz
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not always

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most monitors do not infact support hdmi 2.1 at all

storm osprey
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true, only tvs at this point

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and like... top of the line tvs iirc

willow schooner
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Most dont need to

pale quartz
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DP is included as it already has support for those specifications, which is why it's the safest choice for both reasons

storm osprey
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so basically, unless the dude plans to upgrade his monitor soon he should buy a DP cable

pale quartz
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you're comparing say a requirement of a HDMI 2.0/2.1 spec with a DP specification from 3/4 years ago

storm osprey
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which in that case... just buy a DP cable when he needs to

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which is what ive been saying this whole time

pale quartz
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the discussion before was on out of the box/buy DP cable externally, which is why i would have preferred the GPU be found out first

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you can get a good answer with that, but not without it

storm osprey
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i dont see how gpu matters when the display specs are already known

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whats the scenario where you would get a DP cable for a specific gpu when its a 1080p/144hz monitor?

pale quartz
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because the GPU will be the primary determent of what can be run now, and in the future, not the monitor

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you aren't running a hdmi 2.1 monitor on Turing (non DSC) for example, which would rule that out as a viable option

storm osprey
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but he only needs 1.4?

storm osprey
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ill be honest, i dont follow

pale quartz
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in simple terms, it's a mistake to judge the answer purely on what he needs in the here and now

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realistically he only needs a hdmi 1.4 cable, which is fine, until he needs to spend even more money to get a 2.1 cable or whatever in the future, which is a net loss when he could have got it from the beginning

opal cliff
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The gpu is a gtx 1070

storm osprey
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do monitors not come with an hdmi cable by default anymore?

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yea if he HAS to buy one, get a dp, but if at least hdmi 1.4 comes in box, i dont see the point in buying another cable

pale quartz
opal cliff
pale quartz
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yeah keep with displayport Pascal is a mess with HDMI as it only supports the revision of 2.0a

opal cliff
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Okay will make sure to get display port then. Any display port cable will do right

storm osprey
pale quartz
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yes, not with a GPU

storm osprey
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i see

pale quartz
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a GPU that doesn't support HDMI 2.1 will not run at that bandwidth specification

pale quartz
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1.2 etc

storm osprey
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err thats not what i meant, im saying if he gets a new gpu thats 2.1 port, will his 1.4 cable/monitor have problems?

pale quartz
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connection ports will downgrade as the listener is from the cable itself, he will most likely run into problems in terms of software compatibility support more than anything

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specifically that which is built into the GPU driver

willow schooner
pale quartz
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which is why the hdmi spec really is a mess even with the monitor itself it's not immediately clear what is supported

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you have 2.0a, 2.0b, 2.1 etc with different sRGB gamma specifications

opal cliff
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So if I got a new gpu in the future I would have to get a newer display port cable?

storm osprey
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depends on monitor

willow schooner
pale quartz
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DP has so much bandwidth that unless you're requiring 4k@144 or something bleeding edge it 90% already has it supported

quick locust
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Yeah

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It's pretty nice

opal cliff
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So just to be clear if I get the monitor now and dp cable I’m good for the future?

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Or until I get a new gpu?

storm osprey
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getting a dp cable is the future proof plan

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imo if your monitor comes with an hdmi 1.4 or any dp cable, just use what comes with it

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err wait, that dude said theres something wrong with pascal and hdmi

opal cliff
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Yeah I’ll honestly just go get a dp cable just to be on the safe side lol

storm osprey
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im surprised i didnt hear about pascal having hdmi problems

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or is the problem only that it supports up to 2.0a?

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i think thats how that reads

alpine haven
pale quartz
molten bramble
# pale quartz most monitors do not infact support hdmi 2.1 at all

Pretty sure that's accurate. FWIW, my three (3) are on I believe 1.8 as optional/secondary to the recommended DP. DP is primarily what I see as the defacto preference inclusion on most of the newer monitors. It does make sense to me why HDMI is still a thing in the television realm (and to an extent the monitor realm for specific application and/or backwards compatibility), however, due to ARC. That line is continuously blurring and nearly two decades ago the idea was professed to get to one standard, driven by Apple I think it was.

pale quartz
# molten bramble Pretty sure that's accurate. FWIW, my three (3) are on I believe 1.8 as optional...

yup very much true, it's also because monitors generally were always considered second class (and still are), in terms of technological development by manufacturers for putting in R&D for innovation, the manufacturer needs to have a vested interest for them to actually take it seriously (see your Samsung's, LG's etc), which isn't helped by the fact that monitors dwarf that of TVs in terms of annual revenue

molten bramble
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Yeah, agreed.

opal cliff
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Sorry one more thing for the dp cable it needs to be 2.1

storm osprey
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2.1 is hdmi isnt it? dp is on 1.4 iirc

opal cliff
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Oh okay all the dp and hdmi stuff confused the fuck out of me so had to go back and reread it again 😂

storm osprey
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just get a dp 1.4 cable

opal cliff
prime jasper
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PC broken. Halp!

midnight crypt
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throw it in the trash

storm osprey
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did you turn it off and turn it on again?

long ridge
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how can you still be typing if your pc is broken?

prime jasper
long ridge
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me, i just found my steam controller; battery still good 🙂

storm osprey
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i got a steam controller for 5 bucks and still dont like it

long ridge
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great for aerial in Rocket League

wintry prairie
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I need to try that.

wintry prairie
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Ok

rocky lantern
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Interesting

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I played red dead redemption last night

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And my case started smelling like burned plastic

opaque saddle
twilit quiver
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Volt

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Time

storm rune
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Does anyone else have problems with high cpu usage in bf5?

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no matter the settings, the resolution and dx11/12 the cpu usage is high af.

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i'm on r5 5600x and im having problems with stutter in this game no matter the settings WeirdChamping

next beacon
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bf5 is heavy on the cpu especially on 1080p

storm rune
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on 1440p the cpu usage is still high af

next beacon
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what's the gpu?

storm rune
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maybe not so high like on 1080p but still i get some stutter sometimes

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rtx 3070

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16gb 3200mhz cl16 ram

next beacon
storm rune
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and the game is on m2 nvme ssd

next beacon
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do other games run fine?

storm rune
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Good question

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I don't have any other games

next beacon
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dayum, bf5 really the only game you got?

storm rune
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And bf4

uneven tulip
storm rune
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The pandemic "ended" me

next beacon
storm rune
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I have a lot of games but I don't really play them

next beacon
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Oh so you do have other games

storm rune
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I installed rs6 like a week ago and still didn't play it

next beacon
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Try testing them out and see if you have problems.

storm rune
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Yeah lots of them

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And i have bf 2042 but can't run it Kappa

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Yea but i remember that i have some trouble with bf4 too lol

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Stuttering from time to time

next beacon
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Might be your PC, but I'm no expert so don't take my word for it.

storm rune
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Temps are good

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So i don't really know what the cause might be

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No thermal trottling etc.

next beacon
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Faulty something maybe?

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I got a 5600x and rx6700, and both games run fine for me.

storm rune
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Maybe ram sticks

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Cause i had problems with them when i changed my cpu

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Or maybe my b450 tomahawk max isnt enough for this cpu

next beacon
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You did a BIOS update?

storm rune
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Yea I have the newest bios

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This is the worst thing about pc's

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When there's something wrong with them it is hard to find the source of it

next beacon
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I'd bet some other folks in this server could point it out.

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They just don't seem to be online atm.

storm rune
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Yea there are sleeping probably not like me going to work

storm rune
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@next beacon what mb and ram do you have?

wintry prairie
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Yes

icy reef
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BF 2042 is only launching with 60fps support on next gen consoles right?

wintry prairie
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No

prime jasper
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Hi.

wintry prairie
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👋

storm osprey
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Tech is safe again

wintry prairie
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Yes

storm osprey
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What do you think of koror remake

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Kotor

wintry prairie
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Me?
Well, I loved the original and wished they had updated it with newer mechanics and visuals for years, so a remake comes as a very welcome "surprise." Although maybe surprise isn't the right word.

TLDR: I like it, very much.

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And since my name HK comes from KOTOR, well, yeah, very happy! 🙂

storm osprey
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Yea I remembered that was what your name came from

autumn mountain
quick locust
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yeah

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we'll see when it comes though

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whats the video

quick locust
wintry prairie
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Interesting

pale quartz
storm rune
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There's like 70% ram usage when im playing

pale quartz
# storm rune Wdym

paging can kick in without max utilisation of memory being hit, memory management will kick in paging once a certain % of utilisation is reached to avoid a total system crash with reserves being used by other programs

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70% is well, not much room left for the game, or other applications

storm rune
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I still think it might be the cpu fault or just game

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But i just bought this r5 5600x and dont really want to change it for r7 5800x

pale quartz
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high CPU utilisation is normal, it could be both, the more cores that scale across an application the wider the memory footprint will be

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the game is built to scale across multiple cores although 6/12 threads you can probably expect stuttering to occur

storm rune
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So i should buy more sticks of ram?

pale quartz
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I can't guarantee you will or won't run into memory limitations in 2042 since the game isn't out yet, but to be on the safe side it's probably in your interest

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especially if you're considering the 5800x or 5900x

storm rune
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Im on b450 tomahawk max so I would need to buy new mb too

pale quartz
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does it have 4 DIMM slots?

storm rune
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4 ram slots? Yes

pale quartz
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then you won't need a new motherboard

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the b450 tomahawk max has plenty of VRM power to serve higher core count CPUs absolutely fine

storm rune
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But I would need a better cooling solution probably

pale quartz
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which one do you have?

storm rune
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Silentium pc fortis 3

pale quartz
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doesn't seem like it's a particularly great cooler, yeah do that to, a dark rock pro 4 or noctua nhd-15/u12s will be fine

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TDP seems like it only serves 60W of heat

storm rune
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Ok

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I'll think about it

pale quartz
storm rune
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I just wanr to be future "safe"

pale quartz
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eh not much you can do in that regard

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unless you're forking over much more money for higher end equipment it's impossible to future proof yourself

storm rune
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Well i think r7 5800x should last me for like 2-3 years

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@pale quartz But you'rr saying that I should consider buying more ram sticks?

pale quartz
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ryzen 5000 benefits substantially from 4 DIMM slots over 2, so yes it's in your interest from a performance and memory utilisation POV

primal dirge
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Or buy toasters and sell them double the price

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That's how capitalism works

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I think

storm rune
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Damn I would need to spend so much money

pale quartz
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eh yeah hardware isn't cheap, unfortunately anyways

storm rune
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But will my 650w seasonic gold+ be enough?

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I think yes

pale quartz
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hm as a total system power you're probably drawing close to 500/550w which means it'll be fine, you'll need to upgrade it in the future once you consider upgrading your hardware however

storm rune
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Hmm I think i could buy it

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But fucking hell not being able to send any photos sucks

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Think i would be good

pale quartz
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yeah that'll be fine

storm rune
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Will have to think about it

rocky lantern
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Peeled it off

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But yeah I should undervolt

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Are there any good cases that can fit an CPU AIO radiator that has 3x 120mm fans ? My case can only put it at the front. I want it on top of the case

pale quartz
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plenty of cases can fit a 360 rad, are they cheap? not particularly

rocky lantern
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That’s also the caveat

pale quartz
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360 rad mounting on multiple areas is considered quite premium in terms of how case design goes, ain't easy to accommodate that level of clearing

wintry prairie
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Yes

rocky lantern
pale quartz
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isn't your conventional level case you'll need a lot of clearing for it

rocky lantern
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Yeah been checking out the size

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Just too bad I didn’t consider the total fan size before I considered placing it on the case

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Ended up doing a front mount because that’s all that I can orientate it

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I think the only solution is to get a bigger case

pale quartz
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it doesn't really matter other than for cosmetics anyways mounting wise just make sure your pump is aligned the right way to the CPU plate

rocky lantern
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Yeah my brother built all of it it looks pretty solid

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He wasn’t concerned about the rad placement

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But he’s the same guy that forgot to take off like 4 plastic peels from the GPU haha

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Didn’t realize until I smelled burning plastic playing red dead 2

pale quartz
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lucky you didn't burn any MOSFETs or VRMs on the board

rocky lantern
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Didn’t look like it

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Just peeled them off and going to test shortly

pale quartz
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well you won't immediately notice anyways even if some got fried

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if the board stops working in the near future you know why put it that way

rocky lantern
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That for GPU or CPU?

pale quartz
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the motherboard

rocky lantern
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Mobo looks solid but yeah kind of hard to tell

pale quartz
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you might have fried some VRMs on the GPU you won't know unless you disassemble it

rocky lantern
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Gonna test it again and see

pale quartz
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only time will tell

rocky lantern
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But if the burning smell goes away I’m going to assume it’s the plastic peels

pale quartz
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the plastic shouldnt be burning either way that's the problem

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indicates a much more serious burn that's happened, but you won't be able to immediately tell

rocky lantern
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If anything it’s probably going to be the GPU

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Did a sniff test and that’s where it came from

quick locust
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uh, avoid smelling that for long

rocky lantern
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Thought it was a shorted fan but all 3 working

quick locust
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prob the plastic peels or the adhesive on them

rocky lantern
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Yeah took it off and gonna load red dead soon

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Probably most demanding game as that’s when it started

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No problem in no mans sky or elite dangerous

pale quartz
rocky lantern
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Might just even play with the glass panel off just to keep everything colder

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But my case is on the floor

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I’m not going to put this on a cheap glass desk

rocky lantern
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So far so good

storm rune
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Oh

wintry prairie
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A mecury S8 has room for at least 4 360 rads, and lots more with pedestal.

twilit quiver
wintry prairie
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I got my plastic off.

rocky lantern
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No smell after the plastics are gone

wintry prairie
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That's good.

rocky lantern
rocky lantern
quick locust
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I could do liquid next build maybe

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But won't in long

quick locust
hollow widget
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What do u think you'll need to run BF2042 at 120 FPS?

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or 90 fps?

weak girder
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any modern 6c cpu plus anything higher than 2060 super will prolly do that tho

hollow widget
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1080p

pine kelp
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best budget m.2 ssd?

quick locust
next beacon
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Looks like a mining board

quick locust
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it is

latent light
latent light
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Starting with Zen 3 refresh, top priority will be given to servers and laptops, desktop to get the backseat

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Ryzen 6000 laptops could come before desktop

atomic jackal
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ayo

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why is dlss greyed out in bf v

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i have a 3060 ti

latent light
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@atomic jackal DLSS requires Windows 10 version 1909 or newer, also make sure you're playing on DX12 mode

atomic jackal
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i have 19043 version

latent light
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Update windows

atomic jackal
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it is newer than 1909

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also, which boxes do i check in dsr?

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seems like

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dx 12 was the problem

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i wonder why

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i was like my card cant be this bad

supple bane
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after brain storming i cant think of any reasons why it wouldnt. each wire would need insulating to stop them shorting but thats all i could come up with

rocky lantern
supple bane
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no one knows

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but id be very suprised if its that high

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1080p low 120fps id guess a 1660ti

cunning garden
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are the ea services down i cannot login

quick locust
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dunno, but not something any of us can do anything about

tardy lintel
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Anyone every try out the beyerdynamic 990 or 770

storm osprey
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yes

tardy lintel
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Which would you recommend

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I’m really having a hard time deciding

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Because I play a lot of fps games

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But also don’t really want a open back for music reasons

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Would I be comprising on soundstage and imaging with the 770?

storm osprey
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sennheiser hd 560s

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personally i dont like how sibilant the dt 990 or 770 are

tardy lintel
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That’s a fair point

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I am currently using the Sennheiser HD 280 Pro

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And was thinking about of upgrading and heard really good things about the beyerdynamics

storm osprey
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imo i think they are a bit overrated, but like i said im sensitive to sharp treble

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the hd 560s are fairly new and getting rave reviews for critical listening

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depending on your region prices vary, i see some places where sennheiser is super cheap, and others where beyerdynamic is super cheap

tardy lintel
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They’re priced about the same in Canada

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I will have to look into the 560s but between the two 990 and 770 which did you prefer more

storm osprey
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iirc they are very similar other than open vs closed back

tardy lintel
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Okay thanks mate

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I will def do some research on the 560s

storm osprey
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im biased towards open back since i live the in desert and dont like sweaty ears

prime jasper
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Question

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Where can I see what parts there are in my pc

quick locust
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Use lshw in Linux or hwinfo64 in windows

midnight crypt
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or just open system info

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in windows

arctic crag
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Did you guys see iPhone 13

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Finally 120hz display

storm osprey
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kind of a meaningless feature imo

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"scrolling insta at 120hz o mer god"

cloud solar
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i wonder when theyll finally get a better camera

proud trellis
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how much is the new iphone ?

storm osprey
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im sure there are minor upgrades like normal, but that implies its bad? which afaik only the google pixel line or photo taking focused phones beat it

arctic crag
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128gb btw not 64

storm osprey
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so a 100 dollar increase for more storage and 120hz as the biggest upgrades?

arctic crag
cloud solar
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and the 12 pro camera sucks balls

arctic crag
cloud solar
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you zoom in and everything gets this ugly sharpening

storm osprey
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i could have sworn the mini was 700

arctic crag
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13 mini is 700$ yes

cloud solar
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whos paying that much money for that tiny of a phone

arctic crag
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13 is 800

arctic crag
cloud solar
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just get a different phone

storm osprey
solar pilot
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any1 knows why my pc gives me shocks when i touch something that is wired to the pc like my keboard and my paddels on my controller? pls help

arctic crag
storm osprey
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ok, so same price across the board but has 2 decent upgrades

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pretty good

arctic crag
storm osprey
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actually id about across the board, idk pro/max prices

solar pilot
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it dosnt work its been doing it for a good month now

storm osprey
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im talking about not knowing last year prices for those

cloud solar
solar pilot
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im trying to find those

arctic crag
storm osprey
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ewww the notch is smaller in width, not height

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i fucking hate that look

solar pilot
quick locust
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then thats why

arctic crag
cloud solar
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they shoulda gotten rid of the notch

arctic crag
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Yeah

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Sadly 13 doesn’t support type c

cloud solar
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they shouldve done an underscreen camera in like the corner or something

storm osprey
cloud solar
storm osprey
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yea that notch is hideous

alpine haven
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It's fine.

arctic crag
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The design is pretty much the same as 12 with minor changes

cloud solar
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is that really what it looks like?

alpine haven
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Exaggerated.

cloud solar
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look at all the room they had to push the rest of that stuff upward

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either way its a phone that exists and i hate it

alpine haven
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Cool.

storm osprey
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nvm that image is wrong

arctic crag
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2.5 hours more battery than 12

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Sierra blue looks really good

alpine haven
arctic crag
cloud solar
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they finally added optical zoom

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thats actually really good

digital hill
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Eeh I don't think I'll care about as there's not really much difference then display and camera to the iphone 12

cloud solar
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yeah thats the only difference i saw

cloud solar
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oh and it lets you take "macro photography"

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you still have to get up super close lmao

arctic crag
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Also a better battery

cloud solar
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theyre really pushing the camera with the 13

alpine haven
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I mean, the jump from my Xr will be solid, but if you got one last year, it's incremental.

digital hill
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Yeah the iphone 12 is great with its camera

arctic crag
digital hill
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With lightroom you could remove most of the artifacts for pictures taken at night

cloud solar
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i will not get another iphone

alpine haven
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K

cloud solar
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idk how you can justify 1000$ on the same phone again

alpine haven
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Then don't.

latent light
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They put the tri-camera lenses on the iPhone 13 Pro and Pro Max, last gen only the Pro Max had the best cameras

arctic crag
cloud solar
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compared to the note 10+ i had at the time, its not good lol

alpine haven
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Then buy the note.

cloud solar
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stfu

arctic crag
alpine haven
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Jeeez

alpine haven
digital hill
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@cloud solar Lets keep it appropriate please.

cloud solar
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on top of that, they dont give you enough options for professional photography

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thats something they really need to improve imo

arctic crag
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Apple introduced new ipad

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Starting at 300$

cloud solar
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thats not too bad

arctic crag
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Yep it’s iPad mini

cloud solar
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nvm its 500

alpine haven
# arctic crag Yep it’s iPad mini

Ah, I just bought an iPad Pro 11" a couple of months back. Had Mini's since the first one, but they weren't giving it love in enhancements, so I moved on.

cloud solar
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theres a normal ipad for 329?

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and the mini is 500

alpine haven
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Sucks, because I really loved the size of that device.

arctic crag
alpine haven
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This 11" is unwieldy when you're trying to get basic things done without the stylus--I slightly regret that it isn't more utilitarian in that way, but the performance jump from the Mini 4 is insane.

arctic crag
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The sweet spot

alpine haven
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Yeah, I could not imagine dealing with the larger one.

storm osprey
storm osprey
molten coral
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Oled is nice

storm osprey
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imo display is in top 3 of important factors to a good phone

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behind specs and longevity

digital hill
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I like my iphone 12 oled screen

storm osprey
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i got the base iphone 11, i wish it was oled but its not the end of the world

twilit quiver
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Anyone know the size of the battery or iPhone 13

storm osprey
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SIZE ISNT EVERYTHING!

alpine haven
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🤔

twilit quiver
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I just wanan know if it decreased or not

storm osprey
supple bane
latent light
storm osprey
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its all about the power efficiency

supple bane
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Right.

proud trellis
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Razer condoms coming soonTM

solar kestrel
zenith tusk
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it better have RGB on it

short pier
fading temple
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So I switched to next gen and I’m not gonna lie battlefield runs like shit now but it’s only battlefield does anyone know how to fix this

midnight crypt
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Switched to next gen

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What does that even mean

fading temple
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I went from a old gen console to a next gen console

midnight crypt
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It should run the same or better then

fading temple
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It doesn’t I can’t even run anymore

midnight crypt
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Did you crank the fov or something?

fading temple
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Nope I even tried to lower it but it did nothing

midnight crypt
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Might wanna re install it then

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It sounds like its borked

fading temple
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Ok I’ll do that thanks for the advice

midnight crypt
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Or is it connection issues

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Shouldve asked that first

fading temple
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Nope I tried other games it was only bf5

midnight crypt
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Are you sure youre on a server near you?

fading temple
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Yeah

lofty light
edgy grove
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anyone casually knows if the "vizio cast display 1817" tv is 4K?

cloud solar
edgy grove
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same

quick locust
next beacon
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A lip bite emoji

quick locust
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Lol

next beacon
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No way

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is that fucking male pregnancy?

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I don't even

quick locust
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Yeah

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It is

midnight crypt
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Its a beer belly

quick locust
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Not officially

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But you can use it as such I guess

midnight crypt
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I refuse calling it anything else

quick locust
supple bane
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i feel like the A series doesnt get enough love tbh

molten coral
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For the money they are okayish

next beacon
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oh dang, I have an a52

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It's pretty gude

storm osprey
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msrp is 610?

next beacon
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I remember getting it for 500$ at best buy of all places

storm osprey
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for 500 that sounds like a good deal, at 610 id rather spend another 90 bucks and get an iphone

quick locust
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Expected it to be less

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Cause A series midrange

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I guess every phone is climbin

latent light
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Next gen Galaxy A series phones get Exynos 2200 processor at up to 2.6 GHz, with 4 CU of RDNA2 graphics, while flagship Galaxy S series gets 6 CU

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RDNA2 graphics in Exynos clocks up to 1.4 GHz

molten coral
eager whale
storm osprey
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per usual, market matters

opaque saddle
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The A52 and iPhone XR cost 599 here

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But iPhone SE is even cheaper, the 64GB was sold for 297 AUD

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At office works

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So around 217 USD brand new, locked w/ Vodafone

molten coral
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locked phones peepoYikes

opaque saddle
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Yeah but it is outright phone, $50 to unlock or $20 after 6 months

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At least it is worth paying $297 if my phone broke, and stuck with their network (people can get $10/m plan) for a few months.

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Or $347 unlocked. Still, that is $254 USD phone with 2016 tiny little screen… it is a good temporary phone at least

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Potentially people can buy it for $297 and sell it for $400 in 6 months

storm osprey
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sounds like iphone se is the obvious choice for budget people where derek lives

molten coral
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Yep

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Iphone SE is 500-550 depending on storage here and at that price I think most people would just put down the extra 150 for an iphone 11/12.

latent light
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SE only has a 4.7 inch screen

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12 mini has a 5.4 inch one

storm osprey
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damn se expensive for nacho

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se is 400 here

opaque saddle
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That is 184 Euro... Even with 10% tax mark-up

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I feel like android phones (that aren't Chinese brands) are getting more expensive

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Samsung and Google has increased the price of their phones

opaque saddle
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In general... iPhone 13 isn't a big upgrade and I don't see it makes people tempted to buy one if they have a xs or 11 or 12

latent light
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Still waiting for Apple M2

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iPhone 14 will be a monster if they put a cut-down M2 in it

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Just so y'all know, Apple's M2 has a GPU so fast it will beat the RTX 3090... But it won't be used for gaming

opaque saddle
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I don't want to buy M2 Macbook but I'm really keen to see when ARM processors can run x86 games faster than x86 processors

quick locust
#

These demos are being run on a GeForce RTX 3060 GPU paired with a MediaTek Kompanio 1200 Arm processor.

The first demo is from Wolfenstein: Youngblood, built in partnership with MachineGames and Bethesda Softworks. An Arm version of this game is not planned for commercial release, but the flexibility and power of the idTech engine made Wolfenst...

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opaque saddle
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Will read that when I get up

latent light
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ARM is the future of efficiency

opaque saddle
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Need to get up in a few hours

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Goodnight

quick locust
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RISC-V can beat it in efficiency

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Also the bigger you scale it, the less of a difference there is between x86 and arm efficiency

latent light
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Apple M1 is faster than any x86 CPU isn't it?

quick locust
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per core yes

latent light
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Well at single-thread

quick locust
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but scale it up and it will lose that advantage

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plus effiency as well

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will become closer and closer

supple bane
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i believe the 11900k has faster single core

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in scp it lies between 11700k and 11900k

latent light
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Apple M1 is only 10 watts

supple bane
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its very impressive yes

latent light
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M2 is gonna be 32-core CPU and 128-core GPU

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M1 is just 8 cores for both CPU and GPU

supple bane
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in typical apple fashion they have to lock it down tho CursedCat

latent light
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If Nvidia acquires ARM, how would that affect Apple?

quick locust
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and nvidia can't take it away from them

quick locust
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either my internet or discord just messed up for a bit

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250W, slightly lower than Epyc 7763, but at lower clocks

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They have same pcie and memory lanes

latent light
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Epyc Milan-X Zen3+ is already shipping out apparently

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768MB of L3

quick locust
#

and 16 MB of cache on this 128 coe

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core

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while 7763 has 256 on half the cores

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500 MHz core clock difference

latent light
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ARM tends to use a lot less cache than x86 right?

quick locust
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I suppose

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7713 is 225W at 3,675 GHz at 64 cores

latent light
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Milan-X has 64MB V-cache chiplet added to every 8-core CCD

quick locust
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altra is 280W at 3,0 GHz with 128

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but under load the 80 core was same as the epyc

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the 128 core prob a bit more

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since same process

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though it was worse per core

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did good in cray though

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btw, rip xeon lol

latent light
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Intel has a 224-core Xeon coming next year... Though most of the cores are small efficient cores

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Not sure if Raptor or Meteor-Lake

quick locust
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yeah

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will be interesting

latent light
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Efficient cores do good enough

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Alder-Lake's efficient cores only clock up to 3.9 GHz but perform in the ballpark of Coffee/Comet Lake

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The first GPU in a phone to reach 1 TFLOP performance

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Neat

alpine anvil
midnight crypt
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Its for AI stuff so not really exciting for us common folk

latent light
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Samsung Galaxy S22 is almost as fast as the Steam Deck

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👀

supple bane
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Crazy

marsh gull
latent light
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$30,000 for them to install this TV in your house

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TV alone is worth over $100K

midnight crypt
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So its not only Samsung making these massive Tvs

next beacon
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$100k could've done so much more

covert stratus
coarse nimbus
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morons with too much money

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granted that technology will drastically come down in price if history is anything to go by WoahThink

storm osprey
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I wonder if sk got one

lament flare
#

Anybody could tell me?
Single rank or Dual rank ram has better performance?
And is it possible to mix different rank together? Thank you.

quick locust
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Dual

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And yes it is

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The slowest stick determines the frequency and timings

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If you have unequal capacity for the channels you'll have flex mode, otherwise you can get dual channel

opaque saddle
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Much preferred to get two of the same model ram sticks

quick locust
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They are tested at same frequency and timings yes, so you don't have to go down in perf to meet a slower stick

lament flare
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Ok thank you

latent light
#

AMD Milan-X specifications have been leaked AMD EPYC Milan-X is the next-generation server CPU platform featuring a stacked L3 cache, greatly expanding the size of the available cache.  AMD Milan-X, which was first revealed by ExecutableFix back in May, is a server CPU series to feature AMD’s new packaging technology known as X3D (3D V-Cache). [...

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768MB of L3 cache

opaque saddle
opaque saddle
quick locust
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it can beat ARM in it

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and intel bought SiFive

opaque saddle
#

Unless the community is happy to put effort into development. I have a feeling open source codes aren’t really for big companies to develop their own products, but willing to contribute into open sourced projects

quick locust
quick locust
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Intel, Facebook, Google, IBM, etc

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Even nvidia

opaque saddle
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Google has shut down android things FeelsMeowMan

quick locust
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Yeah, but they have lots of open source projects

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They help AMD's drivers as well

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since they use AMD themselves

opaque saddle
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I think there are few products that uses android things commercially got stripped on the market

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IIRC PS4 uses a list of open source codes

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Including their own retro consoles

quick locust
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PS4 uses a lot yes

opaque saddle
#

But the core products, not really

quick locust
#

Xbox less so, mostly proprietary

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since it's windows 10

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and directx on xbox

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Nvidia has been trying arm on arch Linux with a mediatek CPU and a 3060

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@latent light

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Windows on arm is still a mess though

opaque saddle
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The way windows on arm operating system work is too inefficient

quick locust
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Yeah

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At least OSX and Linux will do fine on arn

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Arm*

lusty star
opaque saddle
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it is a smart move for macOS coz they have done it once. I'm actually surprised it is just, not quite noticeable running x86 programmes using Rosetta 2

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their 2nd attempt is excellent

quick locust
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Yeah

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Linux does arm well too

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So just windows left with bad arm

lusty star
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gaming on linux has a lot of potential

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since its so light on the hardware

quick locust
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Even though there's been windows for arm in 11 years

opaque saddle
#

compared to windows... i think they have to spend a lot of time to optimise their software PLUS... reducing the performance penalty

quick locust
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It's still bad

lusty star
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my 8 year old laptop is really fast with linux

opaque saddle
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Windows RT is really bad...

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i mean really really bad

quick locust
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Yeah

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I tried using it

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On surface rt

opaque saddle
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I have used it once, never wanna touch it again

quick locust
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Plus it has gaming on arm too now

opaque saddle
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I reckon Windows on ARM is pretty much running a virtual machine while putting too much stress on the ARM processor...

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like driving a Ferrari on top of the trailer

quick locust
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Hence Nvidia using arch Linux to show their arm gaming

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But windows removed win32 as well for it iirc

opaque saddle
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i still think windows on ARM is not gonna be a complete failure like Windows RT

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but more like early version of android

quick locust
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So while apple used Rosetta as compability layer, windows just removed all the old so nothing worked on it

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Except for UWP programs which are awful

opaque saddle
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i think i have posted how fast the M1 can work on windows on arm

quick locust
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Yeah much faster than surface with arm

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Ironically

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And cheaper

opaque saddle
#

windows on ARM layer has 3/4 of the speed penalty compared to macOS

quick locust
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Microsoft needs to lower their surface prices, they are stupid

opaque saddle
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i think they do earn more with higher price...

quick locust
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Would you like a surface that is a 3rd of the performance of a MacBook?

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Well it costs 700 USD more! Great value right

opaque saddle
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no one will buy an experimental product

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with higher price

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price

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the galaxy fold was one of them... the sales was much worse than expected till Samsung has dropped the price

quick locust
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Yeah

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Z flip went down

marsh gull
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(i have linux and windows in dual boot i can personally tell)

quick locust
#

depends on DE and distro

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fedora uses a bit more than 1 GB

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with gnome

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SteamOS 3 is KDE, so probably close

latent light
quick locust
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Not really supposed to be in same market as 3090

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So comparing them isn't very useful

opaque saddle
#

no one actually wants to use the w6800x duo for gaming anyway

coarse nimbus
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Will you ever be able to buy it?

quick locust
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The W6800X duo? Yes

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If you have a Mac pro

opaque saddle
#

only if the card makes you more money than a vega II or W5500X

quick locust
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@coarse nimbus

opaque saddle
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coz for some people... money = time

quick locust
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You can buy it

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On their website

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7000 USD in my country

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For w6800 duo

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W6900X

opaque saddle
#

not sure if they are fanless or not

quick locust
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8500 USD

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They are

supple bane
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the housing sits right up againts the edge of the case

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so im assuming the case fans push air through it

opaque saddle
#

this is why it thermal throttled with 400w TDP...

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yeah that's right

supple bane
#

but still, its typical apple fashion. form over function

quick locust
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There's two huge fans right infrotn

opaque saddle
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but at least it is better than nothing

quick locust
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Don't think it'd throttle

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You have massive heatsinks for them and the CPU right Infront of the intake fans

opaque saddle
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i looked at a video but it did hit 100C

coarse nimbus
#

Ah so you just price it too high for people to buy and it's in stock leo

quick locust
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Here's for cpu

quick locust
opaque saddle
#

for alternative cards

quick locust
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You buy these to work with them

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A business expense

opaque saddle
#

We are not their target customers anyway

quick locust
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Or rather someone else buys them for you to use

coarse nimbus
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Smh, don't fact check the joke WoahTea

quick locust
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Wonder what they'll replace Mac pro with eventually though

opaque saddle
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I'd be very keen to see their customers median income

quick locust
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A giant apple silicon chip?

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Or still intel for one more

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Or an Ampere cpu

opaque saddle
#

i think intel and apple M series CPU will last...

violet siren
#

How long does a nowadays gaming laptop usually last?
Never had a gaming laptop before but all my friends claimed theirs lasted at least 5 years and they had old models
I don't know if newer models are as sturdy as previous ones
I usually play around 4-5 hours on the weekends except on holidays where I'd play every day

storm osprey
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thats a loaded question

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depends on what you get and your expectation

molten coral
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If you expectations are low it will probably usable for a good amount of time

violet siren
#

😬 Spent almost all my savings for a 5000 series ryzen cpu and 3060 still shipping hopefully it'd last until I get a stable job, currently am a full time student

midnight crypt
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you couldve waited

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so you didnt ruin your savings

quick locust
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Pretty cool board

quick locust
supple bane
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Finnally 100% finished the cable management of my room. And im happy

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Took me a few months as i generally couldnt be bothered to make it perfect but im happy

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Id say thats about as cableless as it can get

proud trellis
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how did you get the legs right at the back of the table top ?

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mine is in the middle

near rune
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cool setup but doesnt look ergonomic

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with the mouse and keyboard so close to the edge

supple bane
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Ill try to change i guess

near rune
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i feel like its better to lay your hands on the desk

supple bane
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I know what you mean

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I have the room to do it too.

rain void
#

What power supply should I get and also is there anything I should change?

midnight crypt
#

find a cheaper mobo, why even hdd in current year, damn why so many fans

rain void
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Was going to replace the fans in the case with those

clear shuttle
#

I need suggestions for a good microphone.

chrome skiff
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as good as a blue yeti and much cheaper

clear shuttle
midnight crypt
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Just buy a studio grade mic then

clear shuttle
storm osprey
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Seems like you really want a be quiet build though.

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Similar gaming performance. Cheaper

rain void
cloud solar
rain void
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Will I have to update the bios for the 5600X?

storm osprey
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Very unlikely

chrome skiff
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I guess it depends what you need the mic for

clear shuttle
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I plan to start streaming...

chrome skiff
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then jump right into the end game and spend all that money on a mic pre amp and interface

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you should also spend 900 dollars on a mic setup without thinking about the room/echos/ bass traps they aren't important

clear shuttle
chrome skiff
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I know plenty of streamers that sound fine on at2020 or yetis. it's all how you set I up

clear shuttle
chrome skiff
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well the goxlr is the most convenient option out there or the go xlr mini. I use a korg nano 2 but it needs more software and know how to use it

clear shuttle
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I have seen that..is it worth it? I like the idea of having it all there.

chrome skiff
#

It's quite the go to for streamers just because of how much it offers and how easy it is to set up. although it isn't powerful enough alone to run all the high end mics. the shure sm7b would still need an inline amp. I had to get rid of my goxlr from the sheer size on my desk it was just too much for me

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but if that doesn't matter its an incredible product just pricey

clear shuttle
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I see...I saw some streamers running the sm7b on the GOXLR...i saw YT people say the same as well..

chrome skiff
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even my blue ember needed an amp and I ran a soyuz in line amp and that's about the only downside to it that for the price it can't do it all

chrome skiff
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but the functions are truly great maybe wait for a sale idk if they do go on sale but worth looking into

clear shuttle
clear shuttle
arctic ridge
#

Building a new PC next week and got a SN850 NVMe ssd. Is it any good?

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Also going to be using a Ryzen 5 5600X, 32gb ram and a 1660ti

chrome skiff
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it's a good ssd but pcie 4 ssd cost too much for to little performance if any over pcie 3. you can get a cheaper ssd that would be fine

magic terrace
arctic ridge
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Ah I got it on sale and already have it

magic terrace
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ah well, should be a solid drive, just wont be able to take full advantage of it 😛 maybe later next year when microsoft makes DirectStorage available for game devs

arctic ridge
#

Yee

pale quartz
pale quartz
# arctic ridge Building a new PC next week and got a SN850 NVMe ssd. Is it any good?

in terms of performance it's "near" the top of the line for PCIe 4.0 speeds, outdone by Samsung a few weeks ago (however it's still up there), uses 96 bit TLC NAND which has better throughput than SLC caching by a substantial margin, so you didn't go wrong with getting it, just make sure it has a heatsink because that VNAND will go blistering hot

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in terms of "nothing really going to utilise the NVMe to its potential" - this is totally false, I/O speeds are handled by the controller not software, if there is available bandwidth which can be used it can and will be allocated, not sure where this myth of applications supposedly being built for a set bandwidth came from, they have and always will be built to take advantage of whatever is available

chrome skiff
clear shuttle
limpid zenith
#

@celest ledge dont get started with python, dont listen to people advicing you to do this or you will get bad habits and not learn the most basic things in first place which python makes extremely easy (and its also not type safe by default) . Get started with Java that is my advice. If you get started with Java learning a new language from this will be very straight forward once you master the base programming concepts with java. Either languages are much simpler than java, or are a bit more complex ( low level languages, c++ etc ) .

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Im not saying python is bad, no. python is very cool, i use it a lot, its just bad to get started into coding

celest ledge
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Yeah, my canadian friend told me to try it

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But sure, you're professional

limpid zenith
#

Python is extremely useful

celest ledge
#

I'll take your advice!

limpid zenith
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but do not get started with it

pale quartz
#

java and python are on entirely different spectrums of use cases, one is an OOP language and the other is a scripting language, you cant cross compare them

limpid zenith
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i can cross compare them when the goal is "getting started" into coding

pale quartz
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you cant, where someone starts depends on their field, and more importantly what exactly they are wanting to do with x language - someone who is just starting out needs to have a goal in mind for their use cases to identify which use cases fit into OOP or scripting, using subjective experience to dictate easiness never works

limpid zenith
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okay. i assumed he wanted to be a software engineer, a developer

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getting started with python is bad

pale quartz
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@celest ledge what exactly are you looking to achieve?

limpid zenith
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if he just wants to automate a few tasks on this or that but doesnt care about beeing a developer or what ever, sure go for it

pale quartz
#

python is far more advanced than just automating a few tasks lol

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datapi, cpython, iron python?

limpid zenith
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im not saying its not advanced im not saying it sucks

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im just saying its horrible to get started

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what i said was an example

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its extremely simple and way too easy to get started. over simplified and this is one of the reasons its bad for begginers, who will not care about type safety for example

pale quartz
#

I mean not really, you can quite easily run into polymorphism in Java or data algorithmics with python, both are far from easy to supposedly get started with

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python isn't oversimplified, it's how the compiler interprets syntax

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very, very, different things

limpid zenith
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python is over simplified in a lot of basic things

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so begginers will look like fckin potatoes when they swap

pale quartz
#

plenty of engineers in my organisation started with python and are far more verbose in any given OOP environment than most, saying one is easier because of your subjective opinion is not only wrong, it's well, assuming people think the same way as you

limpid zenith
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plenty of engineers in my organisation started with java and are far more verbose in any given OOP environment than most, saying one is easier because of your subjective opinion is not only wrong, it's well, assuming people think the same way as you

pale quartz
#

yes

limpid zenith
#

yes

pale quartz
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it's hypocritical, and wrong

limpid zenith
#

i copy pasted and replaced python with java

pale quartz
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what about it? I'm not saying one is easier over another to begin with

limpid zenith
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yes theres nothing wrong you are implying people who do not start with python are brainless idiots, im implying the opposite. thats it

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your opinion isnt more valid than mine, neither is mine more valid than yours

pale quartz
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not at all

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I'm saying underestimating the intelligence of people not supposedly being able to understand either from a beginner's standpoint is foolish

limpid zenith
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no, im just saying that begginers will have a harder time adapting to new languages when getting started with python. So in my opinion its better to start with Java.

pale quartz
#

but that's based on nothing except what you think, which is why it's wrong

celest ledge
#

It seems fun

pale quartz
limpid zenith
#

and what you said is based on nothing except what you think, which is why its wrong

celest ledge
#

Not yet right now

limpid zenith
#

that makes no sense, i could give you examples on why. 1) type safety. begginers will be like wtf when they see int, float, long, const, etc... when it should be the very first thing they learn, 2) iterations are very simple in python it will look like a complex monster when they switch to other languages, which shouldnt be, its simple to understand and many more, not gonna write a text wall with 300 reasons why starting with java is a better decision than with python

pale quartz
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ok, before starting with a language be it OOP based or otherwise, you should probably familiarise yourself with some basic concepts that cross language boundaries such as variables, methods and classes @celest ledge

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data types etc

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once you understand these you will be able to gauge what exactly you want to do

celest ledge
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Ok

pale quartz
#

@celest ledge this is a very long explanation guide, however it will serve you well https://java-programming.mooc.fi/part-4/1-introduction-to-object-oriented-programming

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run the translation to english

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(work in reverse order with the second guide first)

celest ledge
#

Thanks, I'll take my time to read it 🙏

pale quartz
kind kiln
#

And here's me who started with C++

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And man, when I first tried out python

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it's horrendous

pale quartz
#

yeah, which is pretty much why saying either is easier isnt productive

kind kiln
#

PHP is pretty easy tho

pale quartz
#

I have my reservations with PHP, there's better options but it does get the job done

kind kiln
#

For web apps I do prefer PHP over JS

pale quartz
#

it's very easy to produce bad code that will take half a project to maintain or upgrade with PHP, though it's loose restrictions promote easier take-up, pros and cons

quick locust
#

Since I had to use it for a project, had to learn it and use it

limpid zenith
#

i honestly started with vb6 because i was just a little kid and didnt know what i was doing and was just having fun

lofty light
#

I started with VB.net and I'm still a blubbering idiot to this day

cerulean pine
#

PHP deserves death

final lagoon
#

Badboys hardcore server bf4 is it good PlayStation Players

midnight crypt
#

Wrong channel to ask that

solar flint
# celest ledge Ok

Don't listen to guys that say this language is better than another, there is no better language, even to start. You could do like a huge amount of people and start Javascript to do some web app, some python if you like maths or IOT, you got kotlin or even Java for Android mobile app. Take the langage that fits your need. If it is just to learn a language and have fun, take a language with plenty of resources on the web or a language that a friend can help you with.

tropic field
#

C# is more my thing

late island
#

I'm coding PHP for a living for 15 years.

late island
molten coral
#

Today was a good day bought a 1700x for 60 euro and a quadro P2000 for 125 CoolSip

supple bane
#

Bit overkill for a nas isnt it ? WoahThink

proud trellis
supple bane
#

What did you do?

prime jasper
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great job ice

molten coral
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also gonna run VM's on it

supple bane
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Oh so its more of a server then ?

molten coral
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yes

quick locust
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mine uses a AL-314

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not fast, but I don't need it to be either

proud trellis
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and then that in the image happened

supple bane
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Why would you do that what

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Also you could probably bend it back

molten coral
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bruh

proud trellis
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everytime i loaded up COD for about 3 times it kept freezing my pc and i had to restart my pc and it just annoyed me AngryPaimon

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i will try and bend it back

latent light
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DLSS, now there's DLAA

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Focuses more on quality than performance

modern gull
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Some games AA solutions is so bad and if this performs great quality wise i'd be really happy

proud trellis
molten bramble
proud trellis
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facesad i will try not to look at it

molten bramble
proud trellis
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luckily when im sitting down i cant actually see the dent as the rim of the glass it black and it covers the dent just about haHAA

latent light
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AMD MI300 might be the start of high-performance APUs A new leak puts a new socket name alongside MI300 and Zen4 CPU socket. ExecutableFix discovered a new socket name “SH5” which is internally called MI300. This name is likely referring to the Instinct MI300 accelerator, a successor to MI200 which has not yet been released. […]

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Next gen CDNA3 graphics could feature Zen 4 CPU chiplets inside, making them the most powerful APUs ever

dry pike
midnight crypt
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It should be standard practice to do a clean install of Windows on a prebuilt

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Because so many jam as much bloatware in as they can

storm osprey
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Hell yea o11 air looks up my alley.

rain void
toxic wigeon
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I'd personally go for the 9. What's the reason between picking the two?

rain void
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Idk, I kind wanna future proof it or something

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But would it be worth the extra how ever much it is

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And if I get the 9 will I need a different motherboard

toxic wigeon
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You shouldn't need to replace your motherboard for the 5900x

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The motherboard you have should pretty much be enough

chrome skiff
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wait you have a 5600x already? amd has new stuff coming out late this year early next a refresh iirc

toxic wigeon
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I think that link is just a theory craft, Like a shopping list.

quick locust
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2007 overclocking be like

solar pilot
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Guys i need a new CPU i have a 3060 and a 650 watt help me

quick locust
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3600x/11400/11500/3700X

solar pilot
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I dont want i5

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Want betyer

quick locust
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Then 5600X but expensive

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Or 3700x

solar pilot
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What about i9

quick locust
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No that'd be dumb

atomic jackal
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''cant open asio3sys''?

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what does this mean

solar pilot
atomic jackal
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i got that error when i booted my pc

solar pilot
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Why motherboard supports Intel

atomic jackal
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''cant open asio3sys,detected an inexistent device''

supple bane
solar pilot
supple bane
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that is more than enough for a 3060

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if you are only gaming, id guess you wouldnt see much of an improvement getting anything faster

solar pilot
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ok ty for the help

ancient ridge
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why is my bf1

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everytime i launch game

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tells me im offline like wtf

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other bf games work fine and i can play online

proud trellis
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would a 5800x be fine with a 1660super ?

supple bane
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overkill

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way too overkill

royal zinc
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hey guys i just need help regarding the new EA app which is in beta , i downloaded it and when i am using it my monitor refresh rate drops from 280 and continuously fluctuates. it dose not happen on any other app or game. is it because of my monitor or the app is still in beta.

midnight crypt
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Ask EA support

royal zinc
proud trellis
midnight crypt
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How are we supposed to know

supple bane
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your current cpu is a good pair for your gpu. upgrading your cpu will net you very little improvement, and the same goes for upgrading your gpu. youd need to upgrade both to get the best possible gains

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im in the same situation

molten bramble
midnight crypt
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Happy now?

proud trellis
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so the 1660s is kinda temporary

supple bane
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By then ryzen 6000 and 12th gen intel will be out tho so may as well save your money and get it all in one go

proud trellis
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ahhhh

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is it near the start of the year new GPU's and CPU's come out ?

quick locust
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12th gen is later this year

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GPUs will prob be a while

lofty kindle
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A 2060 for 650 or a 2060 ti for 750?

weak girder
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neither

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terrible value for both

supple bane
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if you found somewhere that sells a 2060 ti its a scam :P

latent light
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85 inch 4K 240Hz TV