technology

[marsh gull]

in 4060

pog

[tardy moat]

Y'all got the new 6090?

[wintry prairie]

Y not

[tardy moat]

🧠

[marsh gull]

yeah

in 6090

at 6090 dollars

[arctic crag]

Yeah I’m from the year 2030 btw

[tardy moat]

Nice

[latent light]

i7-12700K with 12 cores (8+4) is faster than Ryzen 9 5900X in multi-thread and on the tail of the 5950X

[coarse nimbus]

impossibu

[latent light]

Also the i5-12600K is pretty close to the Ryzen 9 5900X in multi-thread performance

[coarse nimbus]

Same socket as the previous series?

[latent light]

No

New LGA1700 socket that is rectangular

45x75mm

Some coolers won't be compatible

[coarse nimbus]

So you'd need a new Mobo 2 generations in a row for Intel?

[supple bane]

also dont forget the 5900x is 2-3 generations older compared to 12th gen.

it released between 10th and 11th gen.

its good to have competition though. it means amd will probably really step up their game to get back in the lead when zen 4 releases

[coarse nimbus]

What in tarnation... didn't the 5k series just come out

[sterile walrus]

I got a question. Since AMD is releasing Zen 4 soon and I bought Zen 3 like 7 months ago, am I an idiot?

[midnight crypt]

5900x released in november

[latent light]

Zen 4 is gonna launch in late 2022

[coarse nimbus]

Where has time gone tbh

[midnight crypt]

So its not 2-3 generations older

[latent light]

So 14-15 months away for Zen 4

We have Zen3+ coming out this year soon

[sterile walrus]

Should I upgrade when it arrived?

[latent light]

Probably not

Zen 4 will require a new motherboard and RAM

[coarse nimbus]

New ddr format?

[latent light]

DDR5 dual channel

[sterile walrus]

How about 3080

How long will that be able to still play AAA games

[latent light]

Sadly DDR5 RAM is 3x more expensive than DDR4

[sterile walrus]

I don’t want my setup to be obsolescence in like 2 years

[coarse nimbus]

Longer than new gpu will be in stock for

[latent light]

What resolution is your monitor

[sterile walrus]

1440p

Gigabyte G27q 27” is the model

[latent light]

3080 will be fine for like 4-5 years at 1440p lmao

[sterile walrus]

I been playing with 1080p for like 5 months and just got a 1440p monitor

[coarse nimbus]

Did you get the 3080 before the price increase

[sterile walrus]

I got it in like November last year

[coarse nimbus]

For like$800?

[sterile walrus]

$730 I think. There was a computer convention back in November last year. Luckily, I went there early and got one. I also got a free 500gb SSD after I bought Ryzen 7 5800x and 3080. Can’t get any deal better than this

[coarse nimbus]

You should be content with all that considering how hard it is to get new parts now

[latent light]

Bruh even the locked i5-12400 is set to beat the i9-11900K in everything

[storm osprey]

its sad when you gotta go to 11900k instead of 12900k xD

[latent light]

12900K up to 25% faster than 11900K in single-thread, up to 60% faster in multi-thread

[storm osprey]

is it? i thought 12900k was the borked cpu

nvm im dumb

i was thinking wrong gens

[arctic crag]

The deal of the year

[quick locust]

No

[coarse nimbus]

Nice scam

[arctic crag]

What scam

[dry pike]

My laptop lacked memory, now it has 32GB. That should suffice. Silly MSI though hid the xmp settings in a secret advanced menu in a bios only accessible through a 4 button combination, felt like I was trying to cheat in a game.

[arctic crag]

3080 for 730$

[quick locust]

Nice

I upgraded from 6 to 14 in mine

Well 8 to 16, but radeon nicks 2 GB

[mellow horizon]

i forgot they do that

[dry pike]

I believe the GPU can utilize up to 16GB of my memory now for extra memory so hopefully that will help on the gaming side of things

[arctic crag]

Well you’re getting a good performance for integrated gpu

[arctic crag]

Wait what

[quick locust]

6GB in win 10 wasnt that fun

[arctic crag]

How is that even possible

[dry pike]

Only found out the secret MSI BIOS key combination through a last effort random Youtube video. Would have sucked to run the 3200mhz memory at 2667mhz at shitty timings.

[arctic crag]

Gpu utilization ram??just how

[dry pike]

shared GPU memory

Just means if the GPU memory is running short the GPU has direct access to part of the slower system memory, which means the more memory you got helps a bit.

[fringe depot]

whats better for shooter 1440p or 1080p?

[dry pike]

1440p is prettier, 1080p runs faster

[fringe depot]

aighty

[storm osprey]

24" 1080p would be better

[midnight crypt]

thats small

[storm osprey]

imo thats the biggest you should go for 1080p, otherwise the PPI gets bad

[weak girder]

average

usually people with 1080p monitors (which represents a lot of people) have monitors under 27

[supple bane]

70% of people are on 1080p

[near rune]

which msi laptop have you got?

[arctic crag]

I see that really will help gpus with 4gb vram and less

[coarse nimbus]

There was a scam nitro link

[wintry prairie]

I see

[modern gull]

1080p is fine on 27" any larger than that then you might want to consider going to 1440p imo

[arctic crag]

Well if you aren’t a competitive gamer you should go for 1440p

Also depends on your card

Like rtx 3060 ti and above

[dry pike]

Can't remember the model number on top of my head. It's black, does that help?

[near rune]

not really

ive got the gf63 thin

or gf65

[storm osprey]

i think 1080p at 27" is almost objectively bad, but some people dont mind it.

[wintry prairie]

AH yes, the black one!

[storm osprey]

im dating someone, shes white, does that help?

[wintry prairie]

Depends, send pics

[storm osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/white-chicks-hair-flip-shawn-marlon-gif-3568463

[lusty star]

So apparently my dumbass didnt update the gpu drivers
im getting 140-160 fps now at ultra
really pleased with the performance

[wintry prairie]

Congrats on installing drivers

[arctic crag]

Like get the fuck out of here lol

[lusty star]

xD

[wintry prairie]

👍

[runic valve]

it has cometh

[wraith sky]

@wintry prairie can you recommend a cpu waterblock

[wintry prairie]

Sure

[supple bane]

what is it?

[wintry prairie]

A gpu

[supple bane]

no!

never!

[wintry prairie]

😆

[supple bane]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dont-say-nicolas-cage-wow-really-no-kidding-gif-5343842

[wintry prairie]

No really, its a gpu

[supple bane]

thanks sherlock.

[wraith sky]

LOL, nice one HK

[supple bane]

your input is greatly appreciated

[wintry prairie]

👍

@alpine anvil Remember the EVGA Elite thing I was telling you about?

This just came to my door:

sorry for ping

[wraith sky]

NICE!!!

But another one?

[wintry prairie]

Yep

[runic valve]

It's a rx 6700 xt

And I don't think I can use it

Because my psu doesn't have 2 8pin

It has a 6+2 and a 6

[supple bane]

hmmm

[runic valve]

I don't know alot about PSUs

[supple bane]

you SHOULD be able to run it with just the 6+2. im fairly sure it will turn on fine but i probably wouldnt game with that setup

but do that under your own research.

[runic valve]

Could be mayhaps plug the 6 into the 8

[supple bane]

dont do that.

[runic valve]

Figured

[supple bane]

im 75% sure you can run a gpu without all the power connectors being filled.

[runic valve]

The installation packet says I need all

[supple bane]

what psu do you have?

its odd that a psu doesnt have 2 8 pins.

even my super cheap corsair psu has 2 8pins

well 2x(6+2)

[runic valve]

I'm not actually sure what I have but I can check

Maybe I'll find another connector while I'm looking who knows

Gotta go get another screwdriver

[supple bane]

why do you need a screwdriver to see what psu you have

[runic valve]

Well that would be because it's easier to get to the psu than it is to check with the computer itself

Cause it's currently missing half of it's organs

[supple bane]

yes im saying you should be able to see it without using a screw driver

[latent light]

Radeon GPUs won't even power on if any of the PCIe cables are unplugged

[supple bane]

just take the back panel off and it will be right there

[runic valve]

My computer is a bit special

[supple bane]

pictures?

[runic valve]

Grim so I'm gonna need a new psu

[supple bane]

yes

[latent light]

[runic valve]

Well damn

[latent light]

The disadvantages of high performance GPUs are mainly power draw and PSU compatibility

[runic valve]

So I'm gonna have to rewire everything after getting a new one

[latent light]

If you have a prebuilt PC you are likely not able to just throw in a high-end GPU in it

[runic valve]

That is not fun

[supple bane]

hol up.

if you have a prebuilt pc

genuinely what pc is it.

[runic valve]

Its an iBuyPower prebuilt

[supple bane]

because some manufacturers cough dell. have proprietary power delivery

oh thats ok then

[runic valve]

What's the chance of a 2 pin sitting somewhere inside

[supple bane]

0

there wont be a lone 2 pin

it will always be sprouting from the 6

[latent light]

What GPU did you have previously

[runic valve]

1070

Only had 1 8

[supple bane]

you should aim for 600-700w.

[runic valve]

I have a 650

[supple bane]

thats really weird that it doesnt have 2 8 pins

what model is it?

name

[runic valve]

No idea

[supple bane]

then look at the side of the psu >:(

[runic valve]

I can't get to it

Not for a bit

[supple bane]

youre doing something wrong then lol

[runic valve]

I can get to it

It's just gonna take a few minutes

[supple bane]

its literally 2 screws.

[quick locust]

Lul

[supple bane]

just take the back panel off and you will be able to see it.

[runic valve]

It's like 80 screws

Gotta love iBuyPower

[supple bane]

you are definitely doing something wrong

look at the back of the pc.

there should be 2 of these thumb screws. one on the top one on the bottom.

[runic valve]

Yes I know where a psu is

[plucky token]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/724009203072761876/773570314701242398/image0-7_1.gif

[runic valve]

And I have told you I'm working on it

[supple bane]

if you have to do any more than that then i have told you you im fairly sure you are doing something wrong.

[runic valve]

Ok well you just sit there and tell me I'm doing it wrong

[plucky token]

tbh. the name of my psu is not displayed on the back

[runic valve]

I'll keep workinn

[plucky token]

would need to take the psu shroud off which takes a while

[supple bane]

it would really help if you sent some pictures. or describe it.

because i feel like you are taking something off that shouldnt be taken off. but i dont know because all i know is you have an ibuypower pc.

[runic valve]

Just let me work damn

[supple bane]

alright ima go.

[plucky token]

iam gonna hop in as exchange

ping me when you are ready

[runic valve]

Yeah this thing isn't easy to get to

Best pic I can get of the info

@plucky token

[plucky token]

perfect

1sec

[runic valve]

Better one

With more dust

Glorious glorious dust

Ah shit it's only 600 watt

I see another 6 back In there

[storm osprey]

ive never heard of that brand and only get links to buy it from ebay....

[runic valve]

Sounds about right

[storm osprey]

aka, i would get something different asap

[runic valve]

I've had it for 4 years

Almost 5

So it hasn't exploded yet

[plucky token]

"yet"

[runic valve]

Holy shit

[plucky token]

dont buy gigabyte

[runic valve]

I see it

[plucky token]

they do explode

[runic valve]

The free floating 2

It's there

It's actually there

There's my boy

[plucky token]

ye, you still could upgrade it to something way better like an evga psu

[runic valve]

Yeah I know

But I broke the bank with this gpu

[plucky token]

84$ for a decent evga one

keep it in mind

[runic valve]

I will

[plucky token]

👍

[runic valve]

Now how should I get to that 2 pin

Ooh I'm gonna have such good fps now

[plucky token]

never cheap out on a psu. Golden rule

[runic valve]

Yeah

[plucky token]

which gpu did you buy?

[runic valve]

Rx 6700 xt

[plucky token]

oho

[runic valve]

From xfx

[plucky token]

congrats for getting one

:D

[runic valve]

Super sexy looking

@plucky token sorry for the ping but just need to know if this will work going into an 8 pin, it's got a 6 pin attached to it which is odd

Unless it's normal

Alright sorry I looked at the other and it is normal, I'm just a dumbass

[plucky token]

ye

a splitter

thing is, they get hot and high power draw cards could melt those cables

so pay attention to the cable if it gets hot

and since this psu is a cheap no name, you should pay even more attention to it

@runic valve

[runic valve]

Gotcha

[plucky token]

👍

[runic valve]

Can I solve the rest of my problems with duct tape

Duct tape fixes all

[wraith sky]

Why two?

[wintry prairie]

They look sexy

[plucky token]

and you sell them online right?

[wintry prairie]

No

[plucky token]

so why ordering more?

[wintry prairie]

Moar builds

[plucky token]

you sell complete builds then ?

[wintry prairie]

No

[runic valve]

Gpu is secured and hooked up

Let's hope it doesn't explode when I give it power

[wraith sky]

@wintry prairie you got 2 3080ti in the past few weeks? Show me da way!

[prime jasper]

noo

NOO

NOOOOOOOO

[plucky token]

!!r2

[silent oasis]

Rule 2: Avoid posting messages outside of designated channels. Read the channel, pins & description before posting. Always respect others in the server. English only!

[wraith sky]

[plucky token]

and he is gone

[runic valve]

What happened

[plucky token]

nothin worth talkin about

[runic valve]

Aight

Time to flick the power switch tho

So far so good

[plucky token]

this

[runic valve]

Don't say that

Power button time

She's on

[plucky token]

i hope you use ddu to clean install the drivers

[runic valve]

What is ddu

[plucky token]

https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html

[runic valve]

Ohhh

Nice

Well

The PC is on and in 480

But my unbalanced fan is going wild so I gotta fix that

[chrome skiff]

Thats a 80+ silver certified power supply, and only 50 watts short of recommended which if you arent overclocking or using every watt of power in your system should be fine. Hps has been certified since 2009 and i have quite a few of their power supplies and they have great Loadlinecalibration dc in to drop to dc out. That psu should be fine with a 6700x if it has the cables for it, idk your cpu i didnt read much into it

[plucky token]

next up is a psu swap

don't worry

[chrome skiff]

If its buzzing or the fan sounds bad replace it but that psu is fine if its working and not 10 years old

http://www.highpower-tech.com/Global/feature_article-main.php?need_id=20121207120342

they still sell power supplies just not common in the us outside prebuilts

[runic valve]

diabetus everything is working great now

just my second monitor wont come on

[chrome skiff]

With old psu?

[runic valve]

which is probably just a loose cable

[chrome skiff]

check cables and cycle it a couple times

[plucky token]

if there is still remnants of an nvidia driver, it might cause problems with monitors

just sayin

on a gpu swap, always use ddu to get rid of any old drivers

[chrome skiff]

If they are on windows 10 the driver bin shouldnt even be requested with the gpu not in the system so it should be fine

Im an advocate of ddu but i right now wouldnt worry

[runic valve]

doesnt hurt to try

i think my cables might just be shitty tho

[runic valve]

drivers fixed it

[solar kestrel]

Id rather just get them brand new

something are worth it second hand

but idk how id feel knowing im using someones old earbuds

personaly

[opaque saddle]

It is brand new…

[solar kestrel]

thought this meant 2nd hand

[opaque saddle]

2nd Gen

[solar kestrel]

i see

[wintry prairie]

2nd generation, sure
2nd hand, ewwww

[short pier]

What?

2nd hand is OK 👌

[wintry prairie]

[atomic jackal]

how do i fix pointy ends of my chair cutting my feet?

i cut it like 3 times now

[wraith sky]

Keep trying

PLEASE keep trying

[alpine anvil]

👀

[wintry prairie]

YES 🙂

And welcome back

[alpine anvil]

Seeing that box is so nice. I really can't wait to have one of my own

Regular 3080* since Ti bumps the price way too far

[wintry prairie]

3080 is awesome

[alpine anvil]

Mhm

Aaa

I have my new PC built, by the way

I'm just too anxious to enjoy it currently, but it's running as we speak

[wintry prairie]

Awesome, congrats!
SOON!

[tender horizon]

buy a new chair or put a rubber tip on the sharp part

[wraith sky]

NO, let him keep cutt . . . I mean trying.

[digital hill]

From grabbing around new speakers to replace my old soundbar and using a bunch of rca to aux I might be able to get 5.1 audio

center might sound ok but its better then the soundbar

[wintry prairie]

Cool

[marsh gull]

guys what psu do you recommend for a 3060ti and a ryzen 5 5600x

gonna get a new pc but i dunno what to take for my psu

[digital hill]

Well time to wait on center

As I need another adapter that I do not have

As headphone amp doesn't provide them with enough power

[short pier]

damn

you guys are stacked up

[short pier]

750 watt 80 plus gold

[midnight crypt]

A 650w would be enough

[violet basin]

https://answers.ea.com/t5/Battlefield-V/Can-t-unlock-weapons-with-company-points/m-p/10690327#M78048

this is not a scam I just need some help with the issue I have in bf5

[molten bramble]

Probably something to ask in #battlefield-legacy-titles then since it doesn't have anything to do with technology and likely only something you're going to get proper assistance on at the site you posted, to be fair.

[supple bane]

That is way too overkill

[supple bane]

600w

[marsh gull]

not even 650w or 700w?

[marsh gull]

is a 1440p 144hz monitor good for these specs?

[midnight crypt]

A 600/650w is enough

Check some benchmarks and see what kinda fps it can do

[ancient ridge]

Help BFV keep crashing

but i check event viewer and the section "System"

and it doesn't show me any error

I just switched to GTX 1050

ok

i think h ave issue

with ra,

ram

[wintry prairie]

Glad you figured it out

[ancient ridge]

yeah my computer crashed finally

giving me bluescreen of the error

when you guys set your ram to 3200 and lets your ram is rated for 3200

[short pier]

Yeah you could, but get some overhead in there for future upgrades my man, you'll be able to keep a 750w for a long time

[ancient ridge]

do you turn on XMP profile?

Or do you just set your mobo to 3200 and not click XMP profile?

[marsh gull]

got it

[solar pilot]

yall think a 650w can supply a 3060 and a i9900k coffe lake??

[plucky token]

should be fine

but to be sure, 750w

[glad topaz]

usually gpu manufacturers put up their recommended psu wattage

[wintry prairie]

I set XMP

[arctic crag]

Just get 750w

650w should be enough

But get 750w so when you upgrade later you won’t be worried about the psu

[marsh gull]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wDQTGq

its my list

i already have storage and ram lying around

the ram in this list is for my old build

and im getting a 3060ti whenever i find one at msrp

[weary cypress]

750w is a bit overkill

my system has an 850w but I never go above 500 xd

but just for safety you can always go with 750 ^

[arctic crag]

Good build

[sterile walrus]

Does pairing Ryzen 7 5800x with 3080 cause major bottleneck?

[midnight crypt]

a 650w psu can supply a 2080ti and a 9900k so yes

if youre on 1080p it might bottleneck

[dry pike]

seems like a reasonable pairing

[sterile walrus]

@dry pike I was here yesterday explaining my problem. I'm getting relatively low FPS with my 3080.

Don't know if you can help me solve it but I'll appreciate if you try

[storm osprey]

5800x is basically the best cpu you can get for gaming and same with 3080

[sterile walrus]

I'm getting only like 90 to 100ish FPS with ultra settings 1440p playing BF1

[dry pike]

depends on what else you have, 650w is the minimum for a 2080ti but you can still lack power if you have like 6 hdds and 12 fans with rgb or the like.

[midnight crypt]

and thats very unlikely

[storm osprey]

drivers up to date? dx version? ray tracing on? ram? etc?

[sterile walrus]

Yesterday, I spent like 5 hours trying to increase the FPS. The only way is to lower the graphic settings

[dry pike]

also depends on the state and quality of the 650w PSU, PSUs loose wattage over their life span

[midnight crypt]

well your first option is to not use ultra settings

literally useless

[sterile walrus]

• The drive is up to date with the latest Nvidia update. I even DDU-ed the driver and reinstall the new one.
• BF1 don't have Ray Tracing
• I have 32gb of RAM at 3200mhz and XMP is on.

My 3DMark score is "good" -> https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/65550963?

[storm osprey]

are you watching thermals?

if everything seems to be good i would personally do a clean install of windows

[midnight crypt]

is your cpu throttling perphaps?

[sterile walrus]

CPU: 55° - 71°
GPU: 55° - 61°

[midnight crypt]

ok nvm

[dry pike]

Tried playing during a proper clean boot?

[sterile walrus]

I have like 700gb of games D:

[storm osprey]

unless your internet is stupid slow you can download them again

[dry pike]

https://help.ea.com/en/help/faq/how-to-clean-boot-your-pc/

[midnight crypt]

do you alot of bloatware in the background?

any overlays?

[sterile walrus]

So getting only 90-100ish FPS doesn't seem normal?

[storm osprey]

not for a 5800x/3080/32gb of ram on bf1

[sterile walrus]

I have Nvidia GeForce, Discord, RivaTuner, MSI Afterburner

[river plume]

hey

3070 (702€) or 3070TI (847€)

[midnight crypt]

overpriced

[river plume]

ikr

but it's gonna get worse next month

So im thinking of pulling the trigger on one of them

[storm osprey]

i wanna say i was getting 150 fps on bfv (i know youre talking bf1), at 1440p ultra

[midnight crypt]

if you dont need an upgrade its not worth it

[dry pike]

It's not what I would expect. What resolution scale are you playing at?

[river plume]

im on 1070 right now

[sterile walrus]

I'm getting only like 114 FPS with BFV on Ultra

[river plume]

i get 100-110 fps on all low BFV

lmao

[sterile walrus]

100%. Pretty much everything is on default other than graphic preset

Do I need to buy a new Window if I do a clean boot?

[river plume]

not if you have the product key

i think...

[dry pike]

No, a clean boot is just temporarily forcing all applications and services except Origin and the Windows ones to not start with the computer so you can rule out a 3rd party software issue.

[river plume]

Would you upgrade if you were me?

from 1070

[storm osprey]

you can bind your windows key to your ms account

[midnight crypt]

i mean id wait

but thats me

[river plume]

well yeah but if im gonna take the waiting path im gonna wait a loooong time

cause it's gonna get worse b4 it gets better

[sterile walrus]

@dry pike Oh, I thought you were talking about clean reinstall

[midnight crypt]

it should get better sometime next year

[dry pike]

clean boot does not equal clean reinstall 🙂

[sterile walrus]

I'll try it out now

[river plume]

i will decide within this month

[midnight crypt]

well if you decide to upgrade go for the 3070

the Ti isnt worth that much more

[river plume]

Right, cause ti stands for "tiny improvement"

gottem

[opaque saddle]

I found a 5600X and gigabyte gaming OC 3070 bundle was on sale for 1488 AUD

[sterile walrus]

@dry pike Still getting like 90-110 with clean boot

[storm osprey]

arent your prices usually fucked? that sounds like a decent deal

[midnight crypt]

just make sure the card doesnt explode

[opaque saddle]

It is a bit of a mess. But the deal is gone now

[sterile walrus]

@storm osprey You’re using 3080 or 3080ti?

[storm osprey]

huh, doesnt come with a cooler, thats weird

[opaque saddle]

OEM model

[storm osprey]

10700kf, 3080, 16gc ram

[sterile walrus]

Maybe different CPU?

Anyway the clean boot doesn’t fix the problem

[storm osprey]

you already finished?

[sterile walrus]

I get like 5-7 more FPS

[opaque saddle]

IIRC the OEM models are 33% cheaper than the brand new model

Still, the OEM model is new

Brand new

[sterile walrus]

I always think that my card is defective, but people in buildapc said it is unlikely

[midnight crypt]

have you checked how many resources the game is taking?

[sterile walrus]

41% CPU utilization and 98% GPU utilization

BF1 utilizes more GPU than BFV does for some reason

[midnight crypt]

almost feels like you got a 3070 or something

[sterile walrus]

BFV utilized only like 44-52% of GPU

It’s 3080, unless MSI accidentally programmed by 3070 to be 3080 😂

[midnight crypt]

one thing you might wanna check is what pcie slot its in and what its running as

[sterile walrus]

It’s in the top one, the one with most bandwidth

[midnight crypt]

so it should be 16x

[sterile walrus]

Yes

[midnight crypt]

unless it gets split by an ssd

[sterile walrus]

I don’t have PCIE SSD

There’s nothing wrong with the installation, just probably the software and the card

[eager whale]

1500

[midnight crypt]

some other things you can check is power settings, windows game bar and game mode

[sterile walrus]

Both of those are off. Power settings is set to maximum performance

[midnight crypt]

well damn

last resort i have is updating bios but that shouldnt do much

[sterile walrus]

Like I said is it possible that the problem is caused by defective part?

[midnight crypt]

feels like it

[river plume]

If i wanted to enjoy a 240hz experience on 2k i'd still have to turn the settings down regardless which GPU i get right?

[midnight crypt]

depends on game but ye

[river plume]

Alright i think ill get the 3070 then

[toxic wigeon]

Are cores really that important? as in, I know they're important but what's a good number?

[quick locust]

Depends on what you are doing

But gaming modern games 6c with HT is nice

[toxic wigeon]

HT?

[wintry prairie]

Hyperthreading

[quick locust]

Hyperthreading/SMT

[opal cliff]

So are 6c now the standard for modern games?

[quick locust]

So 6 cores 12 threads

They're a good spot

[wintry prairie]

Yes

[opal cliff]

Oh okay that’s what I thought

[storm osprey]

basically look at the i5 line, thats normally the standard somehow

[toxic wigeon]

Just having a look cause 5800 has more cores and shit and i'm wondering how important is that really

[quick locust]

i5 or ryzen 5 (6 core ones with 12 threads) are fine

[wintry prairie]

Just gaming 6C is great. If you do more, like video editing, then more cores is better.

[quick locust]

Consoles use 7 cores but at low frequency

[toxic wigeon]

Of course and a heavier choinkier proc is better for more programs yeah

[quick locust]

Who did poop reaction on my message lol

[toxic wigeon]

I did a bit of looking around as in "if i wanted to use a 5800x what would i need) - the fans and shit just made me a bit stressed out, figured i'd rather get a 5600 and save from the stress

Akii it seems

[quick locust]

5600x, 3600X, 11400, 10400 to 10600, etc

[storm osprey]

narrowing down what cpu is best for you requires a lot of questions

[quick locust]

Yeah

[storm osprey]

other specs, games, settings, resolution, hz, streaming, production, etc

[quick locust]

All that got replaced on my phone

Just got it back

[runic valve]

vibrator gasket is what they called me in middle school

[quick locust]

[midnight crypt]

Did you smash your Phone to pieces or what

[alpine haven]

Doubtful.

[runic valve]

its true

[quick locust]

no

power IC died on the board

started randomly shutting down hard several times in row before it couldn't start up again

[short pier]

buy the 5800x yes please

[toxic wigeon]

I don't need it

[short pier]

Ok

hold on

Alright @toxic wigeon i suggest you buy a 10700kf over a 5600. The 5600x is more expensive and has 2 less cores and 4 less threads, it's not worth it

The 10700kf is in the mid 200 dollar range right now

But that depends on where you live i guesss

[toxic wigeon]

I'm in AUS

[storm osprey]

this really depends on the titles you are playing and what resolution/settings

[short pier]

not really

Why would you spend more to get less cores and threads

[storm osprey]

cores and threads are not the end all

[short pier]

And a lower core clock

[storm osprey]

if that was the case amds fx lineup would have been good

5600x is quiet a bit better than a 10700kf at 1080p/low/comp gaming

[toxic wigeon]

Maybe the kf is a bit better but i'd rather keep on what i was going for already

[storm osprey]

hell, even at 1440p low gaming you can see gains with a 5600x

[short pier]

please show me where

[storm osprey]

my friend and i have nearly the same exact build except he has a 5600x and i have a 10700kf and we play at 1440p and compare fps all the time

[short pier]

If you're playing at 1440p the difference will be smaller yes

Depends on what graphics card you have

[storm osprey]

we both have 3080s

this benchmark is at 1080p ultra setting on modern games like sotr, horizon zero dawn, watch dogs, etc

[short pier]

are those stock?

[storm osprey]

they should be

why would you do benchmarks not stock...

[short pier]

bias

Point is if you can find the 10700 for cheaper it is a better buy than a 5600x

[storm osprey]

depends

[short pier]

even if they were the same price it would be better to to get the 10700

[storm osprey]

if they are only playing competitive titles, 5600x is better

we arent even considering the price of mb/cooler/power

[short pier]

You have 2 fewer cores and 4 less threads

[storm osprey]

and most games now very rarely benefit with more than 6c12t

ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE PLAYING COMP GAMES AT 1080P/LOW

[short pier]

They could definitely benefit from more than that. And that is today, thinking about the future makes sense as well

[toxic wigeon]

I had a think about it, I'm glad i made my mind up now. Cause i don't have a heavy load to bother with

The 5800 would be too much, As much as i would love its power. The 5600 just fits

[storm osprey]

show me how many games benefit from 8c16t over 6c12t...

[short pier]

You're looking at slight frame difference in the 400 fps range

[toxic wigeon]

I thought the 5800 was more powerful which is true, But it isn't necessary

[wintry prairie]

Pretty much

[short pier]

Not now, maybe

in a year or two

would be nice to have

[storm osprey]

and you cant predict the future so dont recommend off "because i think so"

[toxic wigeon]

I'll probably just wait until the next AMD gen anyways

https://www.ple.com.au/Products/627268/PLE-Custom-AMD-Ryzen-AM4-Desktop-PC-System/9FX0FM6OAEtO

[short pier]

probably the best choice or wait for alder lake

[toxic wigeon]

this is what i have in mind

[sterile walrus]

Do you guys OC your GPU everytime you game?

[toxic wigeon]

And when i can, I'll shove a 2 TB SSD into it

[short pier]

nah but hardware gets better and games demand more,

[storm osprey]

no shit...

[short pier]

It's really simple

[wintry prairie]

No

[sterile walrus]

Hey @wintry prairie

[short pier]

Get a better CPU so you don't have to pay again VERY soon

[toxic wigeon]

I'll just wait till the next gen

I can wait

[storm osprey]

by that flawed logic he should get a 5950x...

[toxic wigeon]

If i wanted to pay more i'd just nab the 5900

[sterile walrus]

I’m still finding a way to fix my underperforming problem

[toxic wigeon]

Hey what do you know

[short pier]

It would last even longer, but that thing is more for content creators and productivity tasks

[wintry prairie]

I went with the 5900X

[short pier]

A 5900x is a safe choice

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah and it's why i don't need a 5800

[wintry prairie]

Love it

[storm osprey]

even IF there is a core count recommendation bump that doesnt automatically mean 6c12t just sucks all of a sudden

[short pier]

10 cores and it will last for years

[short pier]

Doesn't suck now, will age very soon

[sterile walrus]

I got error occurred when running 3DMark, how do you fix it?

[storm osprey]

you cant claim that at all

[toxic wigeon]

Wasn't the 5600 release last year

[short pier]

I would rather have 8c anyways but thats just me

[storm osprey]

theres no basis that we are going to need a core count bump any time within 3 years

[short pier]

3 years is a super long time man, 6 cores is going to be very iffy by then

[wintry prairie]

November 5, 2020

[storm osprey]

we had 4c8t be the standard for some... 5 or 6 years?

[short pier]

It all really depends on what you're doing, to clarify

[storm osprey]

we are maybe 2 years into 6c12t being the standard

[toxic wigeon]

Damn that's sorta recent Hk

[short pier]

because of intel.

[wintry prairie]

Yep

[short pier]

Intel had a monopoly

they said you didn't NEED more than 4c

[wintry prairie]

5800x on January 12, 2021

[short pier]

then amd competes and WOOO now i5s have 6c

[wintry prairie]

Anyway, Pastrami Sandwitch is ready, bbl 🙂

[storm osprey]

at least im comparing to something tangible other than you just saying "6c12t is gonna suffer in 1-2 years because i said"

[short pier]

They had a monopoly, 4c chips existed everywhere because of that, games were made to suit 4c

now there are higher core cpus in the market, games will start using them

[storm osprey]

based off?

you cant just say random things and them be true?

[short pier]

There are more cores? why wouldnt devs use them?

[storm osprey]

you still havent provided any games that benefit from 8c16t

[sterile walrus]

Ngl. 3DMark’s benchmark is fun to watch 😂

[short pier]

They're not random

[storm osprey]

whats your basis then?

[short pier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXtMjxC0M4U

same cpu tested, if it's worth your time

Deactivated cores

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVjdhXAdKE0

how about another

[storm osprey]

the average difference is, what, 3%?

[short pier]

It's more than that but if it was it still is a difference. Most of those games are older anyways the difference will increase

Now most of those games are AAA games

So really it all depends on what you need

[short pier]

If you want to play AAA games at ultra every year you need more than 6 cores for the next few years

[storm osprey]

these spreads are not very convincing

[short pier]

But again that all comes down to expectation

[storm osprey]

bad screenshot

[latent light]

AMD next-gen CPU announcement will take place in the first week of October, exactly a year after Ryzen 5000 announcement

[toxic wigeon]

Interesting

[storm osprey]

most of these games are open world modern games too, kind of best case scenario for core count differences to matter, and youre looking at some 5% increase..

[sterile walrus]

@storm osprey I don’t want to say this, but my BF1 now runs at 30 FPS 😂

[toxic wigeon]

How long does a CPU gen last?

1 to 2 years?

[storm osprey]

a year typically

[toxic wigeon]

...That's a bit short isn't it?

[sterile walrus]

Also this is the last time I’ll be talking about my problem as I think it’s annoying for others

[toxic wigeon]

Or do they always have to be updated

Eh personally i can't help winter

[short pier]

Well they usually have these technologies just waiting

[storm osprey]

as long as new gens are compatible its not really a problem

[toxic wigeon]

I mean, I guess? I'm more concerned on how long the power can last you

You know, How a good GPU can last you till the second gen

Then i guess a good CPU should do the same

[storm osprey]

its all a matter of personal expectactions

[short pier]

^

[storm osprey]

the only scenario i can see where its a fact you HAVE to upgrade is if you are trying to play all the modern triple a open world games on max settings

[toxic wigeon]

I think a bit ago you told me that a cpu can last you for a few years anyways, Or was that the motherboard?

[storm osprey]

thats like, one of the few situations that you really have to upgrade often

[sterile walrus]

Should I upgrade my PSU from 750w to 850w?

[toxic wigeon]

750 should still hold

[storm osprey]

cpu, but mb pairs with cpus so theres that consideration

[toxic wigeon]

Of course yeah

[storm osprey]

i imagine the average pc gamer upgrades their cpu every 5 years

[toxic wigeon]

That makes complete sense

Let's say then, theoretically. How long do you think a 5950 should last? I get that things are becoming more intensive but still

For the most serious of the serious

[storm osprey]

normally upgrades within 2 gens isnt that much and not worth a considering, hell even 3600x to 5600x isnt a recommended generational leap to upgrade that quickly, and that was one of the best generational jumps

[toxic wigeon]

Makes sense

[short pier]

Yeah if you were to upgrade a 3600x a 5800x would make more sense

[storm osprey]

its hard to say how long a cpu lasts, its arguable that individual core performance is a greater concern than core count, but you never know when a performance increase will take place for one or the other

[short pier]

Yeah you can make a cpu "last" for 10 years if you want

[latent light]

A 6-core/12-thread CPU like the Ryzen 5 1600, Intel i5-10400 and up should run games with stable performance for the next few years to come

[short pier]

bro 1st gen ryzen?

[latent light]

6-core/6-thread will see some frametime dips

[short pier]

That doesn't make any sense

[latent light]

1st gen Ryzen still viable

[short pier]

For what?

[latent light]

Gaming, work, general usage

[short pier]

Yeah for work and browsing sure

[storm osprey]

lemons makes a general statement about core count - fine
grim makes a general statement about cpu working - not fine

[short pier]

He said run games with stable performance for years to come

on a 1600

[storm osprey]

you still dont get how ironic that is...

[latent light]

Stable performance means consistent framerate

[short pier]

Oh

well yeah

Probably not a stellar framerate though

[short pier]

Please tell me why im an idiot

[storm osprey]

not calling you an idiot.. how did you jump to that conclusion?

[short pier]

No im asking you

[latent light]

1st gen Ryzen will still run most modern titles in the range of 100-120 fps but if you want 144 fps I'd recommend at least 3rd gen Ryzen or 9th gen Intel and up

[short pier]

I didn't say you called me an idiot

[storm osprey]

genetics? idk why

[short pier]

lol

Alright i'll be more direct what is ironic

[short pier]

Man that is really really iffy. To get 100-120 fps in a modern title you would need a beefy ass card. Pairing that with a 1600 would get you stuttering like nothing else

[storm osprey]

its kind of hard to summarize some 30+minutes of convo

[short pier]

do your best

[storm osprey]

basically you said something as a general statement, i showed how that doesnt generally work but you kind of ignored it

then gim makes a general statement and then you asked him to show his reasoning

[short pier]

I showed you my reasoning, even evidence, for why 6 cores will be outdated in a few years

[storm osprey]

and you still ignore it

[short pier]

What am i ignoring

That was my whole point

It all started with Way asking if he should get a 5800 or a 5600

I said 8 cores is better than 6 cores

So getting a 10700 would make more sense for the same price

[sterile walrus]

I'm waiting for my VR goggle to arrive, let's hope I don't experience performance issue again

[storm osprey]

6c12t, at best, will be "outdated" in a few years if you are trying to play something like new triple a open world games, outside of that small scenario you will very likely be perfecty fine

[short pier]

Correct

[sterile walrus]

How long will 8c16t lasts?

[short pier]

I would say even non AAA games would need more

but still

[storm osprey]

hence your general statement is flawed but you keep repeating it, but then grim makes a general statement and you want him to be specific

[storm osprey]

no one knows, any guess is justa bs shot in the dark

[short pier]

Alright I'll modify my general statement: 6c/12t will be outdated soon, If you are planning to play modern AAA games at a comfortable framerate without stuttering

[toxic wigeon]

We don't know how soon will soon be

[storm osprey]

you can make estimated guesses at best, but yea, no one will ever know

[short pier]

educated guess

I'd say uhhhhhhhh

For my scenario

about a year

[storm osprey]

i guess in a year i can report back if my friends 5600x is suffering vs my 10700k at 1440p

[short pier]

ok

[storm osprey]

granted he doesnt get many modern triple a games unless they are shooters

[short pier]

How identical are your specs?

compared to his

[storm osprey]

i have 10700kf, 16gb 3200 cl16 ram, evga ultra 3080

he has 5600x, 16gb 3200 cl16 ram, msi ventus 3080

[short pier]

are those factory overclocked gpus

[storm osprey]

last we checked our gpu thermals were within 3c of eachother (we both live in the same state)

mine is for sure, im not sure about his

granted, a non factory OC gpu vs a factory gpu wouldnt be that different in performance right?

hell even a 3080 FE vs a ftw oc isnt that different

[short pier]

idk maybe not but it's still an overclock

[storm osprey]

as of right now he usually has a slight performance lead on me

[quaint lichen]

screw building my own
I’m just saving for a Corsair one

Can’t be asked to deal with fluctuating prices

[short pier]

alright

[short pier]

It's probably best to buy a prebuilt now

[storm osprey]

and yea, we actually go through setting for setting and match everything

[short pier]

Nice

[quaint lichen]

Imo just more cost efficient and Corsair peripherals are good so I can sync them all up 😄

[short pier]

Rgb

[quaint lichen]

yeah

I’ve never had rgba before

Just a 2008 Mac Pro LMAO

Witha. First gen intel processor

intel i7

[short pier]

Goddamn

[quaint lichen]

Maybe a bit later than 2008 acc

2010

my setup is

£60 jabra meeting headphones

£19 Microsoft keyboard and mouse combo

it’s actually a surprisingly good keyboard

Not the mouse

And the max

Mac

And random £2 mousepad

boom

[short pier]

bruh use paper for a mouse pad, save some money

printer paper

[quaint lichen]

I did

[short pier]

You need to be FRUGAL

[quaint lichen]

I used a pukka pad with old notes on it LMAK

but I got a mousepad cuz it was unresponsive on new pages

I think the graphics card is a 750 or smthn
Or integrated

[short pier]

What are you planning on replacing it with

[quaint lichen]

A corsair one i145s after a lot of saving

And I’ll pick peripherals later when I have more money

Just use the shit ones

and keep the headset

wait does it come with Bluetooth

if it does I’ll use

[short pier]

oh do you not have space for a tower pc

[quaint lichen]

not really

I need the space for notes and a lamp

And books

plus

Small is better right

[short pier]

Depends

[quaint lichen]

Headset- sony wh-ch710n

not for cooling of

Kueee

[short pier]

It's a pretty solid PC spec wise, but you would be pretty limited when it comes to upgrading it

[quaint lichen]

course

why

Could I eventually get a new gpu

[latent light]

6 cores of Ryzen 5000 is close to 8 cores of Intel 10th gen

[short pier]

Those components were made to fit in that small case

Or modified rather

[quaint lichen]

is there a large case version that

Is the same price roughly

[latent light]

I wouldn't recommend a CPU yet until next-gen Intel and AMD are announced next month

[short pier]

close in what way

[latent light]

Intel 12th gen may actually be announced this month

[storm osprey]

dopeee

[short pier]

At that point it would make more sense to buy a traditional prebuilt system with normal components

[latent light]

Announcements from both teams are definitely coming no later than October

I expect Zen3+ to launch on the exact same dates that Zen3 products did

[short pier]

What would Zen3+ be

the 5nm process? Or mobile cpus?

[quaint lichen]

Any ideas of anything with similar specs to the one I showed

[short pier]

do you use newegg

or amazon

[sterile walrus]

I’m sad that my Zen3 will be obsolete soon ( kinda ) 😂

Just bought it for less than a year

[latent light]

Uses both 7nm and 6nm afaik

7nm CCD, 6nm 3D cache

Would be nice if it all turns out 6nm tho

6nm is 15% smaller and 20% more dense than 7nm

[short pier]

Ok so it's just a refresh

[astral chasm]

I got that ps4 pro processor beat PC users.. j/k

[latent light]

Zen3+ is a very strong refresh

[short pier]

[latent light]

Zen3+ could easily be another Zen2 -> Zen3 jump

It kinda really isn't a refresh

[short pier]

well zen 4 is planned to be 5nm right so it's in between that and zen 3

And really have they planned to call anything Zen 3+?

[uneven violet]

everytime I restart the game it starts on the beginning mission
what can I do?

[wintry prairie]

!!support

[silent oasis]

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[latent light]

Zen3+ performance is pretty mixed, dependent on game engine

Monster Hunter World sees a big jump, while League sees marginal gain

[wintry prairie]

For sure

[latent light]

It really all depends on how a game's engine makes use of all that extra L3 cache

[wintry prairie]

Yeah

[quaint lichen]

What is that

[short pier]

It's a site like amazon where you can buy hardware

[quaint lichen]

ok I can’t be bothered

[quaint lichen]

is the specs on Corsair i145s good enough for maxed settings lmao

[quaint lichen]

Can I add ram to them

And does it have tk be a specific type of ram

cuz I might aswell

Buy the i145

Then add another 16gb

Of non rGb ram

[wintry prairie]

OK

[solar kestrel]

New phone arrived today

[lofty light]

[solar kestrel]

i got another Xr brand new for only 300 because i have been a member with my provider for over 2 years

[lofty light]

Noice bruv

[solar kestrel]

now its transfering data from my old one

says it will take like 10 hours

[lofty light]

Android to Android then?

Too many photos boyo

[solar kestrel]

yah like 3k

probably should have deleted them before hand

or at least most of them

they all memes from instagram

[proud trellis]

[short pier]

Sorry im late to reply, if it's still relevant what is the price you are buying the i145 for

[latent light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaZ_RSt0KP8

[short pier]

Damn that's crazy brah

[sterile walrus]

Computer don't work very well in vacuum IIRC, that's why they use old computers on the ISS

[short pier]

cells, interlinked

particles, interlinked

the stars shoot us

[latent light]

They use old computers because they are proven reliable and have less chance of error than a modern computer that hasn't had time to prove its reliability

[sterile walrus]

Also forgot to mention that too

Same goes for military

So all the Hollywood "advanced computer developed by the government" is probably bullshit

[lofty light]

Oh no the DoD and such do indeed develop super new stuff, they just don't use it in the field

[sterile walrus]

IVAS goggle looks really cool

[wintry prairie]

Soon

[digital hill]

Well I have cut up an aux cable I had into a speaker wire to aux

Works well and the reason for it as I have bought a center speaker for better center audio

On ebay because I'm not spending over 100 dollar for center speakers on amazon

[quick locust]

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3632091/evga-explains-how-amazons-mmo-bricked-24-geforce-rtx-3090s.html

[digital hill]

Ah so bad soldering

[quick locust]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/09/western-digital-introduces-new-non-smr-20tb-hdds-with-onboard-nand/

[halcyon fog]

Yo I need a computer nerd to help me with specs I'm getting a gaming laptop and I wanna know if I'll be able to run games like battlefield, cod, rust, DayZ, etc

[midnight crypt]

Why a laptop?

[halcyon fog]

I simply don't have the room in my room for a PC. I share my room with another person, and my two bedroom apartment with three roommates.

I'm not going to be putting it through heavy use, I just want to run games nicely when I do play them

@midnight crypt

[reef pasture]

The biggest thing with a gaming laptop is the cooling.

And battery life

[halcyon fog]

I planned on getting a cooling pad for it and it'll be on a flat desk not my lap, and I've got an outlet right next to me so battery life shouldn't be a problem

I can send you a pic of what Im planning on choosing and the specs too if you want

[opaque saddle]

Cooling pad won’t do much if the laptop is so thin and not much room to fit the proper cooling

Usually people would be getting a 3060 (95w) with a bare minimum 6 core processor. Please DO NOT get the i7 11370H coz it is a quad core processor

[halcyon fog]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08P2WDVC3/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_3RSA9M9DCVW4Z3EBNKSF?psc=1

@opaque saddle @midnight crypt @reef pasture this is the one I think I'm gonna try to get, everyone I've asked said it'd be ok

[opaque saddle]

Why would you wanna get a 1650?

Coz it looks overpriced to me

IIRC the price you are willing to pay may be able to get a 3060

[halcyon fog]

How big is the difference and what kind of laptop would I find it in

My budget is 800 to 1000

[opaque saddle]

I don’t really know the US regional pricing coz I use AUD. However… if you wanna stick with HP, this laptop cost around 1000 USD exclude tax

This is the reason why I was saying, too expensive

First, if you are a student and second if can get it with tax in the US market,

[halcyon fog]

I'm not a student, but I will keep looking for one with a 3060 in it .

[opaque saddle]

Sure

Usually an acer nitro 5 will be around that price, but they may have a bad QC just letting you know

[halcyon fog]

Qc?

[lofty light]

I'd normally reccomend Dell but only if you have a good warranty or tech skills as their QC sucks too

[opaque saddle]

Quality check. It is like how reliable the product is, out of the factory. Some of them aren’t good and it may break during the warranty period or after 2 years

You do not want a laptop with bad QC, nor a brand with bad warranty services .

[lament flare]

Why not try Asus?
Asus TuF A15 (AMD)
Asus TuF F15 (Intel)

But don't buy Asus TuF Dash F15, it's not worth.

[wintry prairie]

One with a 3060 would be good.

[wild nymph]

So for who is looking for a Rtx 3060 , i have one , and i would say just one thing , save a little bit more and buy a 3060 ti , 3060 is just a 2060 oc , nothing more

Rtx 3060 doesn't deserve to be in the 30xx series

[wintry prairie]

Read up a tad, they do not want to buy a gpu.

[wild nymph]

Yeah I see , they were looking for a laptop , even for laptop is not worth it

[wintry prairie]

I respect your opinion.

[opaque saddle]

It means a lot for people who wants a laptop, it is a different market there.

Coz a 3060 with no TDP lock can be faster than 3070 with TDP lock

And 1650 and 3050 laptops aren’t worth buying either. The sweet spot is 6 core processor with a 95w RTX3060, 16 GB ram

[quaint lichen]

Is 256gb ssd and 2tb hdd good

[wintry prairie]

Its ok

I prefer a bigger ssd for my use.

[opaque saddle]

I would get a 500gb or 1TB ssd instead

Forget about HDD coz TLC SSD with dram is clearly a better option

Low cost, fast and durable. HDD are becoming less durable these days.

MLC ssd are more expensive but they are less likely to be showing up these days, so more expensive

[wraith sky]

This x100

[arctic crag]

Nah I would go for a full powered 130w rtx 3060

[toxic wigeon]

Are Disc drives even needed anymore

[wintry prairie]

Not at all

I have not had one in over 4 years

So not "neeeded"

[opaque saddle]

The market is filled with 85w/95w 3060 these days, 130w is really rare right here

[opaque saddle]

Haven’t used a disc drive for 13 years

[arctic crag]

Lenovo legion 5

Everywhere

[opaque saddle]

Was referring the manufacturers makes and released those 95w models

Not how many Lenovo legion 5 you can find from a shop

[quick locust]

They all have TDP locks, just at different watts

[wintry prairie]

Depending on what you are doing, a 3060 is much better.

[opaque saddle]

The truth is, people can spend thousands of dollars to buy a new gaming laptop

But they are not aware of how much money should they spend for a laptop that they wanted

[quick locust]

I could use a bigger SSD for my laptop some time maybe

But rn is fine

[opaque saddle]

It is like, people can be getting a 1650 laptop for 900USD or a 3060 laptop with similar price

Or sometimes a 3050 laptop (slower than 1660ti) for $1300-1400

[quick locust]

They are expensive since they cost more to manufacture, not so much that there's less of them (for consumer anyway)

[arctic crag]

Or even a lower wattage gpu for the same price as a higher wattage gpu

[quick locust]

Yeah

[quaint lichen]

Is it possible

To buy a prebuilt

And give it a bigger ssd

[quick locust]

Yes

[quaint lichen]

Before turning. On

[arctic crag]

3070 90w is basically 130w rtx 3060

Even slower sometimes

[quaint lichen]

G15DK-AM003DT

Rog strix

Is this one good

As a starter pc

[opaque saddle]

A normal user can’t differentiate the differences between MLC and TLC ssd

[quick locust]

It's decent but I'd upgrade ram and SSD @quaint lichen

[wintry prairie]

Whatever amount of money someone spends on something that they are happy with, I will not judge. People should be able to spend their money as they wish, not what others want them to do.

[opaque saddle]

And also… you don’t simply look at the price before you buy a laptop. A good laptop has good specs, also good built quality and warranty services

[wintry prairie]

I can help them make a choice, not force the choice.

[quick locust]

I dunno why they put 8 GB ram and a 256 GB SSD in a desktop with 3070 and 5800X

Lol

[opaque saddle]

I know

Cheaper to produce

[quick locust]

I know, and it costs more to produce, so most consumer drives are just tlc and qlc

[opaque saddle]

Or they have to upgrade for the same ram under their store page

It is like +100 or +200 for a 16GB ram

[quick locust]

Yeah

[opaque saddle]

As long as QLC ssd not going to be popular. We are all good

[quick locust]

Or PLC

QLC can be okish for consumer

[opaque saddle]

Coz TLC ssd is only 0-10 dollars more expensive than QLC

[quick locust]

Yeah

[opaque saddle]

I bought the Samsung 870 EVO 1TB for $114 AUD (MSRP, but cheaper to pay with gift cards)

The 860 QVO was like $110

[quick locust]

I use one MLC SSD rn

[opaque saddle]

1TB