technology

[supple bane]

building a pc is fun.

and better value generally

[kindred nexus]

Yeah i dont wannna break sth

[supple bane]

they are designed not to break.

[kindred nexus]

Cause im sure i would

[supple bane]

components are very strong. they have a fool proof design.

[plucky token]

It goes down by a bit which is... meh. But iam fine with it (first build with bending and that pipe has 4 bendings which is hard anyways)

[kindred nexus]

Metal pipes are easier to assemble

I think

[plucky token]

I could use straight pipes and millions of fittings

But no. I want it as clean as possible

[supple bane]

if you are unhappy i imagine you always could just get some more tubes

i cant imagine they are expensive?

[plucky token]

20€

3 meters

[lusty star]

You didn't cool your GPU using the pump?

[plucky token]

The block i want is not buyable atm so i have to wait

[lusty star]

I mean the point of custom water loop is to cool both the gpu and cpu with custom tubing

[lusty star]

i see

[plucky token]

I want the original evga block since my warrenty doesnt void while changing it.

[lusty star]

what material is your cpu block and radiator made up of?

[wintry prairie]

Not at all. I built a Waterloo with metal tubing . . .

[plucky token]

Copper nickel

[wintry prairie]

Looks GREAT

[lusty star]

eh

aren't you supposed to have both made out of the same material

like copper radiator
copper block

[plucky token]

Copper with nickel cover

[wintry prairie]

Certain metals mix, others do not

[plucky token]

It is the same

[wintry prairie]

Copper-Nickel is fine

[lusty star]

ohh in that sense

[plucky token]

The only thing thats different is the pump which is no surprise

[wintry prairie]

No Aluminum though

[lusty star]

Nickel is anti corrosive

[plucky token]

Nope. None

[lusty star]

Aluminium and Copper are a bad combo

[plucky token]

And i have anti corrosion fluid which works with these materials

[wintry prairie]

Straight copper is the "best" for conduction. The rest is aesthetics, for the most part.

Which fluid are you using?

[supple bane]

he has coolant

that is only an issue with water

[plucky token]

The Corsair XL5

[wintry prairie]

Right on. I use DI and Utopia

[plucky token]

It took me long enough to pick those parts

[wintry prairie]

I bet!

[lusty star]

if you've studied electrochemistry
Copper has a +ve reduction potential
Aluminium has a -ve reduction potential
Al will displace copper

and that's BAD

[wintry prairie]

very bad

[plucky token]

Chemicals. Love it

Just love how strong the pump is. 1500L/Hour

[wintry prairie]

D5 pumps! The only way to go. 🙂

[magic monolith]

Am I the only one that has a problem with Youtube? I can't loop or randomize my playlist.

[alpine anvil]

guess who got their new keyboard today

its so quiet

[proud trellis]

which keyboard did u get

[alpine anvil]

a cool gamer one

jk

Razer Cynosa Chroma v2

[proud trellis]

ohhh thats the membrane keyboard isnt it ?

[quick locust]

https://www.computing.co.uk/news/4036174/microsoft-power-apps-misconfigurations-expose-million-records

[alpine anvil]

yes it is

its a really weird adjustment

[storm osprey]

huh, so arctic does make rgb fans

[proud trellis]

ooooo

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/arctic-cooling-p12-pwm-pst-rgb-0db-black-fan-120mm-fg-057-ar.html?campaign=affiliate%2Ftag

these ? @storm osprey

[latent light]

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/leaked-alder-lake-benchmark-might-show-amd-winning/

This is pretty sad if true

[storm osprey]

theres apparently 2?

https://www.arctic.de/en/BioniX-P120-A-RGB/ACFAN00146A

[storm osprey]

kind of a misleading title/article. from reading the tests are gpu heavy, the scores are extremely similar (most likely by the test being gpu heavy), and in the article it also says that the thread director isnt implemented? idk anything about this but it also says it wont be a thing till windows 11?

[proud trellis]

they dont really look nice imo

the ones i sent i would rather get lol

[storm osprey]

you know my stance on spending money for aesthetics

[proud trellis]

its 12 pound

i would buy like 5 of them

[storm osprey]

how much is plain?

[proud trellis]

its pretty much double the price for the RGB ones but i would pay that

[cloud solar]

2x the price for lights

not a good deal

[proud trellis]

i mean its cheap anyway

[storm osprey]

yea.. but its 2x the price

[latent light]

Stock i9-12900K consumes around 30-40 watts more power than i9-11900K

Despite big.LITTLE 'efficient' design

[proud trellis]

yea.. but its still cheap for a fan

i would pay an extra 5 pound for RGB arctic fans instead of spending 30 pound per RGB corsair fan

[storm osprey]

well yea, if you absolutely want rgb get arctic

but you can just skip rgb, get the same performance for cheaper, and not have a meme build

[cedar peak]

Omfg

[supple bane]

This is a friends build

I love those fans

They arent rgb. Just white

Just 1 3 pin cable like a regular fan.

[proud trellis]

that GPU looks thick

in a future pc i might choose the lian li case, but i might get either LED fans or RGB and put them on the side and the top of the case but i might get none RGB/LED fans to put on the bottom or do you think that would looks weird in a way ?

[prime jasper]

I love the white lights

looks like the thing from project almanac movie lol

[midnight crypt]

Imagine getting flashbanged by your pc every time you turn it on

[proud trellis]

just dont look at it then

[storm osprey]

when your friend pays way more money than me and gets the same/less performance

[proud trellis]

damn u really hate lights

[toxic wigeon]

Very weird question. When was vulkan made?

When was it made to be a thing

[weak girder]

when a smart person decided to make his own API because dx sucks balls

[eager whale]

That GPU is looking THICCC

[plain stag]

Yep, a 4 slotter lol

[runic valve]

i require help choosin some ram

lookin for 32 gb

not sure what exactly to get

[supple bane]

im going to stop you there

why do you need 32gb?

[runic valve]

minecraft

[supple bane]

you dont need 32gb.

[runic valve]

alot of minecraft

[storm osprey]

"i use chrome"

[supple bane]

you dont need 32gb ram.

[runic valve]

i need it

[supple bane]

you dont need it.

[opaque saddle]

[runic valve]

i do

[opaque saddle]

Unless you use it as production machine , VM machine or play High demanding high usage games (uses more than 16gb, then you need it)

[supple bane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTPDR2tHH5g&t=92s

[storm osprey]

NEED, no

[runic valve]

i didnt ask how much i need

[storm osprey]

you do not NEED it, you might want it to the point that you say you need it, but you dont

[supple bane]

you asked for a recommendation. and my recommendation is dont waste money.

[runic valve]

ok

so everyone who isnt granty, what brand of ram should i get

[storm osprey]

just say youre going to get 32gb no matter what and go from there

brand doesnt matter

[runic valve]

anything you prefer?

[supple bane]

corsair is probably the most popular

[storm osprey]

whatever is cheapest

[opaque saddle]

Actually no

[supple bane]

try to get something that 3000mhz+

[storm osprey]

ok *cheapest while meeting a certain criteria

[opaque saddle]

Get a dual tank 2x8gb 3200mhz pack

[supple bane]

cl18 or lower

what are the rest of your specs? @runic valve

[quick locust]

i run 4x8 GB 3600 cl 14

[storm osprey]

yea but you kinda go for over the top

[latent light]

Intel adding an overclocking utility to their Arc GPU driver software, similar to Radeon's WattMan

[storm osprey]

im gonna assume you got 4x8 just to fill the slots

[latent light]

How does 12GB RAM run on a Ryzen CPU

[opaque saddle]

I play cities skylines and the benefits of using 32 GB of ram does speed up loading speed

From 10 mins to 3 mins

So at least 3 times faster

Other than that, nah

[supple bane]

i play msfs2020 so i probably could benefit from 32gb. i havent checked with that game

who would have thunked it

even the most intensive game out atm doesnt benefit from 32gb ram.

[proud trellis]

how much ram does MSFS use ?

i think tarkov might use more then it

[proud trellis]

ok yeah im wrong nvm

[supple bane]

ive seen it peak to all 16,000 mb when ive been playing

like actually bouncing off 100%

it goes to like 16,002 mb i think.

[proud trellis]

i thought tarkov was bad with ram using 14GB most the time but i didnt know msfs used literally all of the ram

is msfs optimised ?

[storm osprey]

imo optimizations are largely based on reference

and what do you reference msfs2020 to?

[storm osprey]

fuck yea

dlss is the shit

[plucky token]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-shia-labeouf-snl-skit-fingers-gif-4860090

[wintry prairie]

Congratulations!!!

[alpine anvil]

between recording a video and eating popcorn, i've been messing with the color settings and it's so much fun

I love the reactive set the most, where the keys light up when you press them

currently it's set to a blue fire effect, but with a red reactive layer on top of that

so it glows blue and moves, but any key i hit is red

[supple bane]

yeah my keyboard has limitless customisation as well. being able to assign any number keys or key combinations to any key. but i just cba with any of it

it just set a colour cycle and left it at that

[alpine anvil]

understandable

if i can set up presets i will

[supple bane]

you can add animations too it also but i have just never figured it out

[alpine anvil]

i also have to learn how to set it up to react to my games

[supple bane]

yeah this can also do that but it kinda sucks.

bfv is pretty cool. but its the only game ive found that it works in.

all it does is flash and stuff when you go down.

change colours if you are alive or dead

[alpine anvil]

BFV has the V key light up and some others to make the shape of a bigger V iirc

any reactivity to my games is cool enough

as long as it stays colorful

[arctic crag]

The game is massive what you expect

[storm osprey]

but it doesnt benefit from 32gb of vram over 16gb

[supple bane]

i can tell you have spent a lot of time arguing over vram

[arctic crag]

You guys mean ram

[supple bane]

-_-

[storm osprey]

well i had a typo

[arctic crag]

Sorry

[supple bane]

soooo

its actually not that complicated

and is actually kinda dope

[alpine anvil]

that's for Razer?

I'll have to try it

[supple bane]

my keyboard is logitech

[alpine anvil]

i set up a ripple effect for mine

oh dang

[supple bane]

g513 carbon

[quick locust]

no lights in mine, prefer it that way

[arctic crag]

What do you guys use to monitor your pc other than afterburner

[quick locust]

hwinfo64, nvtop and bpytop

and MangoHud with Goverlay

Crystaldiskinfo for disks

[arctic crag]

Hwinfo is really advanced

It monitors nearly everything

Crystal disk is nice

[quaint topaz]

https://i.petersmk2.com/4082021/Discord_r8UkYvRSQG.png

[supple bane]

I got to try a deathadder v2 in person the other day.

And i can confirm im never buying one

It was very comfortable. But felt super cheap and the click was amongst the worst i have ever felt

[wintry prairie]

I have many Razer products, including at least 4 mice, but I have never wanted a deathadder, for the same reasons.

[supple bane]

The click had a really long travel and was super spongey

[proud trellis]

my razer mouse felt cheap aswell

[wintry prairie]

I actually like Razer, and my other mice have been great. It's the Deathadder that is lacking.

At the moment I am trying an EVGA X17. So far so good. I got it for nVidia Reflex in 2042.

[proud trellis]

the other stuff i have had from razer is fine but the mouse i had fell apart after it hit the year mark

all the rubber grips fell off in the end

[supple bane]

Im sucked into the logitech ecosystem now

My next mouse will likely be logi

[proud trellis]

i might just stick with the G502 for many years

i have only had like 3 mouse but this one is the best ive had

[supple bane]

Ill keep using my g502 until it dies

Ive had it for a few years and its dirty but like new

No physical damage what so ever

[wintry prairie]

I was all Logitech years ago. They make good products. Now though, I try different companies and see what works best for me.

[supple bane]

I would struggle going back to a mouse with just 2 side buttons again

[proud trellis]

if my mouse was to break i would just get another G502 if its out of warranty

[supple bane]

I use all 8 secondary buttons for bfv and ark on my mouse

[proud trellis]

but if my keyboard was to break out of warranty i might try and build my own keyboard instead

[wintry prairie]

LOL, right! My main mouse for the past decade had I think 19 buttons . . . .

[proud trellis]

bruh

[wintry prairie]

MMOs

[wintry prairie]

But, but . . . I just spent more than twice that amount this past week alone . . 😆

[proud trellis]

[storm osprey]

i bought an 80mm to feed my gpu more fresh air from the back of my case

[arctic crag]

Mate leave him alone he has unlimited amount of kidneys he keeps selling

[wintry prairie]

Not sure if I should get a gold plated start button, or platinum . . .
#lifeishard

[arctic crag]

See unlimited

[storm osprey]

unobtanium

[wintry prairie]

Definitely for the next build, but the next shipment from Pandora isn't scheduled to arrive for another 4 years.

[storm osprey]

just in time for an upgrade

[wintry prairie]

[alpine anvil]

here is the keyboard that i keep mentioning

[marsh gull]

clean

[atomic jackal]

im currently wondering if i made a bad choice not buying a 3060 ti but a non ti version

[molten coral]

why?

[atomic jackal]

as there seems to be a 1/5 improvement for like 60 dollars

[molten coral]

3060 is a great card

[atomic jackal]

i kinda regret not buying a ti

thats why

dont get me wrong it runs all my games very well but seeing the benchmarks and shit i cant help but feel a little bit of regret

[arctic crag]

Ti is a better value for sure

But don’t regret getting a 3060 just enjoy your game

[atomic jackal]

yeah for just around 70 dollars the improvements are completely worth it

[atomic jackal]

yeah it was just a momentary thought i probably have a better rig than %80 of people in my country

[wintry prairie]

Nice!

[atomic jackal]

looks rad

[alpine anvil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/567028376544477214/879899236748115978/Editor32.mp4

[atomic jackal]

i like to do watercolor effect on my keyboard

it looks very nice

[atomic jackal]

hey

my keyboard rgb isnt turning off after shutdown

there was an outage so i plugged the computer out

when i plugged it back rgb turned on

do i really have to turn on my pc for this

i could just remove the usb tho

probably will do that

[storm osprey]

It’s so cute.

[atomic jackal]

do you guys know how to turn power off on usb 3.0 ports

i read that it still gets power after a shutdown

probably why my rgb is still on

[proud trellis]

thats tiny

the fuck

[storm osprey]

80mm fan

[proud trellis]

smol

[sharp pollen]

Will console have KB+M support?

[midnight crypt]

Maybe

[pulsar sentinel]

Dayum, Wayland is great!

[plucky token]

[strong breach]

F

[quick locust]

:P

They are reliable.. bombs

[plucky token]

@supple bane it is time

[supple bane]

[dry pike]

I would like to have seen how another PSU would have handled that shock.

[plucky token]

[plucky token]

Collant is in

Now its time to wait

[arctic crag]

It’s looks nice

Just leave it like that don’t turn the rgb on

[supple bane]

if you pressure tested it properly then it will be fine

[plucky token]

Sounds like a fish tank

It was air tight

[supple bane]

that will probably stop once you have all the bubbles out

[plucky token]

Ye

The Rad is full with air

[prime jasper]

rate my cpu

AMD Phenom(TM) 9750 Quad-Core Processor

[visual quail]

i3-330

[weak girder]

i5 10300h (yes laptop)

[supple bane]

35 pound audio setup. basically invisible too

very happy

a cheap soundbar that is ziptied to my monitor arm. and the subwoofer on the floor that my brother gave me for free

not sure why that video is so grainy.

[eternal pelican]

🔥

[thorn stag]

damn, looks sick ill stay with my gaming laptop

[midnight crypt]

Its too dark thats why its grainy

[plucky token]

Smoll woofer

[supple bane]

hey it gets pretty loud

very loud actually

its too much bass to listen to comfortably

[quaint lichen]

hi

[plucky token]

Got a 5.1 sourround hooked to my pc

[quaint lichen]

Is cyberpowerpc a good website to buy from

For a prebuilt

[plucky token]

Pre built

[quaint lichen]

I can’t afford to build@my own

So expensive for anything where I live

Prebuilt cheaper

[plucky token]

Us?

[quaint lichen]

No

uk

[plucky token]

Ah

The Ex Eu state

[quaint lichen]

Yes

[supple bane]

the uk is pretty cheap for parts lol

[quaint lichen]

Fuxk the tories

Not for working class

[plucky token]

Nana no politics

So. Eu has a few pre built shops

Like mifcom, Hi-Tech, caseking, alternate

[quaint lichen]

Will it ship to uk tho

[plucky token]

Dunno

[latent light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JmPUr-BeEM

[supple bane]

apparently i didnt respond to this... i bet that setup cost in the hundreds tho. this cost 35 pounds.

[plucky token]

The speakers and woofer 35

€

The receiver 100

Its not the newest stuff, but high qual old stuff. Still sounds pristine

I could hook it up to a 5.1.2 but thats to overkill

[proud trellis]

i think i have already fucked my mouse up

[supple bane]

its a vibe subwoofer

like i said i got it from my brother for free but i dont know how much it cost

[plucky token]

How

If you ever need a high qual audio setup for cheap price. Search for Magnat

Those things are sick

And a yamaha receiver

[supple bane]

the way i have it hooked up is super jank

[plucky token]

Got mine connected via fibre cable

[supple bane]

the sub is RCA(?)

i think thats what its called

it has a left and right channel input, and i have an adapter that turns those two cables into a single 3.5mm

and then i couldnt get the dedicated sub 3.5mm output on my mobo to work so i just have this

[plucky token]

So its not an active one ?

[supple bane]

yeah. super jank lol

[plucky token]

Rofl

Active ones require a seperate power source aka a power cable

[supple bane]

yeah it does

it requires power from the wall

[plucky token]

Weird sub lol

Normaly they have a subwoofer connection and not left right

Funny thing to see

The more you know eh

[supple bane]

thats the back of it

what is happening with my phone camera >:(

looks ass

[plucky token]

You probably can tell the size difference

[supple bane]

yeah lol

like i said its still surprisingly powerful

[molten coral]

I had some harmon kardon soundsticks 3

[plucky token]

Sticks

[molten coral]

but I replaced it with a few sonos one boxes and a soundbar

[plucky token]

Harman Kardon is a pretty decent sound company. Mercedes is using those boxes for the high rated models with an upcharge of like 2k€

For Home Cinema, i use Magnat and a Dolby Atmos system from Teufel

[latent light]

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/amd-rdna-2-gpu-benchmark-figures-leak-up-to-50-faster-than-apple-a14-6-cus-1-3ghz/

GPU in the Galaxy S22

6 CU at 1.3 GHz boost

[prime jasper]

that happens when you take a photo at angle i think it's because the phone thinks it's landscape but you took the photo vertical

[latent light]

i9-12900K prototype hitting 810 score for single-core on Cinebench R20, current 11900K scores 623

Around 25% increase

October launch

November at the latest

[storm osprey]

i call lies

[latent light]

It's happening

No way around it

DDR5 memory is already in mass production

PCIe 5.0 SSDs in 3-6 months

There won't be PCIe 5.0 SSDs available at launch of 12th gen

It'll be a couple months after

12th gen should be around 15% faster than Zen3 refresh

[supple bane]

and will it be more than 8 cores?

[latent light]

8 fast cores + 8 efficient cores

Efficient cores lack hyperthreading

And only boost to 3.9 GHz

[supple bane]

so 16c24t?

[latent light]

Ye

[supple bane]

so it still wont beat a 5900x or 5950x in mutlithread then

[latent light]

It will match 5950X apparently

From IPC

[supple bane]

wait 5900x is 24t so scratch that

but i have a hard time believing it will make up 8 threads from just a faster core

considering 1/3 of its threads are slow

but hey i might be wrong

[latent light]

12900K is like 30% faster than 5950X in per-core performance

[supple bane]

for the 5950x

yeah i believe that.

[latent light]

When each core is 30% faster, you can match the multi-core performance of a higher core-count CPU

[supple bane]

yeah i know that.

but i cant believe that 30% will make up more than 8 threads essentially

we will see

im more interested in the 12400 and 12600k anyway

[latent light]

The 8 efficient cores are roughly equal with 10th gen in performance

There's 2 different architectures in 1 package

[storm osprey]

so ive only done a single rdr 2 benchmark test, but my max temps dropped 7c by adding a small 80mm fan

[plucky token]

thats neat

[proud trellis]

would an i5 7400 and 1080 work together or is the cpu to slow for that gpu ?

[storm osprey]

i used a 4790k with a 1080 until i upgraded

[storm osprey]

!!build @proud thunder

[silent oasis]

ℹ️ Give us an idea of what you're looking for in #technology:

1. What is your budget, currency, and country of purchase?
2. Any preferred physical shops or online sites you prefer to purchase from?
3. Are you gaming or streaming? What's your resolution/FPS target(s)? What games are you playing?
4. If this is not for gaming, what applications you will use and the workload involved? Elaborate as much as possible.
5. What else do you need to buy (i.e. monitor, keyboard, mouse, headset, speakers, operating system, etc.)?
6. Anything else you want to tell us? RGB, Small Form Factor, already have a part list? Tell us!
7. If you have a build list and are looking for a second opinion or are upgrading an existing system, please have a PCPartPicker permalink for it (https://pcpartpicker.com/list).

[proud thunder]

I have a list already

[storm osprey]

well post it

[proud thunder]

Just need a secound opinion as I don’t know much about computers

[weak girder]

the i5 7400 is a shit cpu

get at least a 4c 8t

[proud thunder]

https://newegg.io/3bc62b1

I’m not planning on buying it from new egg just planning

[weak girder]

so... you're planning but not planning?

[storm osprey]

use pcpartpicker, and theres a lot on that list i would change

[proud thunder]

Ya that sentence hurts to read

[proud thunder]

What should I change?

[storm osprey]

honestly the only thing i would keep is the cpu, but changing stuff around you could even get a 5800x for the same price

[proud thunder]

Ok thanks

Do you have suggestions on better parts?

[storm osprey]

making a list right now

the newegg link your provided cost 2700 bucks

[proud thunder]

Ya that’s kinda around my budget

[storm osprey]

@proud thunder https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7tRHPV

[proud thunder]

It’s saying there’s comparability problems?

[storm osprey]

cpu is a straight up upgrade. cpu cooler you really dont need more than a 240mm for a 5800x. tomahawk is more than enough for a 5800x and most users. ram is same but cheaper for some reason. ssd is slightly worse but you wont tell the difference for just gaming. i would get an evga gpu over zotac. phanteks -400a digital is a damn good case all around especially for that price. better psu

[storm osprey]

SOME b550 motherboards might need a bios update for 5600x, this should be very rare to come across

[proud thunder]

The computer is for gaming and professional art btw

[storm osprey]

well considering i improved the cpu and only barely reduced the ssd it should be better, and cheaper

[proud thunder]

Ok thanks

It’s saying there’s compatibility problems?

[storm osprey]

most motherboards now will have the bios update factory installed

at worst you will have to flash it yourself

[proud thunder]

Sorry

Thx

[storm osprey]

i do price to performance builds btw, i dont care about rgb and colors

[proud thunder]

Ya its a waste of money it seams

[storm osprey]

personally yea, i think it is a waste of money

[proud thunder]

It does look cool ig

[storm osprey]

it does look cool, but for me a pc is about performance, im not spending extra money to keep/lose performance to make it look nice

[supple bane]

i dont paint my walls because it has no impact on the properties of the room

i also dont paint my cars as its cheaper to just leave it bare metal

whats the point in having ornaments on the walls? all it does it take up space

[storm osprey]

at least painting walls is like.. 10 bucks for a whole room

[midnight crypt]

it does have an impact on cars and rooms

are you pepega

especially cars

[supple bane]

(i was mostly kidding)

[storm osprey]

hes poking fun at me because i dont care about aesthetics for anything

painting a wall doesnt make the walls stronger so theres really no point

[midnight crypt]

i can get behind the no ornaments thing though

[storm osprey]

hell if there was a scenario where i could rgb/bling out my pc build for 10 bucks or paint walls in a room, id rather paint the walls

[supple bane]

well yeah thats obvious

[proud trellis]

i would get the RGB

just to piss you off

[storm osprey]

but is it? to rgb/bling out a pc would cost at least a hundred bucks more

[supple bane]

oh i thought you meant if you have 10 bucks what would you spend it on

and rgb is not necessarily any more expensive

my rgb fans were 30 pounds for a pack of three. and my 240mm aio i got on sale for 45 pounds

which are similar prices to their non rgb counterparts

could i have gotten better performance fans for the same price? probably. but we are talking 2 degrees here

[storm osprey]

but is performance the same?

isnt arctic p12 30 pounds for a 5 pack?

arctic p12 gang gratata

[proud trellis]

no

they look so boring

[storm osprey]

you look boring

[proud trellis]

not wrong

[storm osprey]

theory, boring people want an exciting looking pc

[proud trellis]

[storm osprey]

hence why my pc is plain, because im interesting and cool as fuck

[proud trellis]

you are not cool

[storm osprey]

correct, im cool as fuck

[proud trellis]

you carry an arctic p12 round with you all the time i swear

[storm osprey]

i should make a keychain arctic p12 fan

[proud trellis]

now that would be cool as fuck

[storm osprey]

like me

apparently noctua makes 40mm fans that people convert into keychains

[proud trellis]

they look cool on bags

[viscid nest]

https://www.pcgamer.com/a-massive-restock-of-nvidia-rtx-30-series-gpus-is-happening-at-best-buy-tomorrow/

New restock on GPUs!!!

[storm osprey]

of course the location in my state thats getting stock is 2 hours away

yea, lets not provide cards to the 5th largest city by population in usa... that makes sense

[supple bane]

https://youtu.be/kKj5zgMAo_M

The last one is pretty interesting

If you remove the boot drive from a running pc it will continue to run kinda for a few seconds then will bsod

[jovial saddle]

when playing bf4 on campaign

game freezes in the middle of the game

no cursor visible but audio glitched on loop

[quick locust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8IVt-S6SMU&ab_channel=DawidDoesTechStuff

lol

[lusty star]

I just realised... I won't be able to access Nvidia freestyle if I buy an amd gpu

Lis the 6800m worth it over a 3060?
While dropping features such as dlss, highlights and freestyle?

[storm osprey]

isnt the 6800 way better than a 3060?

amd has their version of dlss and depending on how important highlights and freestyle (i dont even know what freestyle is) to you it depends?

also depends on the price and what youre using them for

[quick locust]

6800M vs 3060 laptop that is @storm osprey

but yeah it still is

but it depends whether he needs freestyle i guess

Most of the other things AMD has equivalent of or there's third party

[storm osprey]

i hate people like this that dont care about wasting other peoples money

[quick locust]

hm

[storm osprey]

tl:dr this person doesnt care they dont know what they are talking about and are wanting to continue giving bad advice

[quick locust]

yeah

the only 120Hz I see commonly is some ultrawides

but most is 144 or 165

[storm osprey]

oh, more insight, the reason they are dead set on 120hz is because thats what console support

[quick locust]

which you can do on a 144 monitor anyway

Except mine, since you can only do 60 over HDMI on this

[storm osprey]

worst part is they are a mod in the server they were giving advice to, so people are likely gonna trust them because of that

[quick locust]

He should just get a 144 anyway

since it'll just run at 120

or be set to it

They seem kinda arrogant

[eager whale]

Bloody hell

144hz monitors are cheaper than 120hz monitors 99% of the time

[marsh gull]

it's because the os is still running in the ram

[latent light]

120Hz is usually only found with ultrawide monitors and smart TVs, standard widescreen monitors most of the time are found only in 60/75/144/165Hz

Also, Microsoft and Sony could easily expand to refresh rates beyond 120Hz for modern consoles, there just isn't much reason to

[wintry prairie]

I just got a 360Hz monitor . . .

[wraith sky]

Wow! Nice!!!

[light wave]

Meanwhile I'm running a 1080p 144Hz one and my friends are flaming me for it lol.

[wintry prairie]

But of course . . . lol

I'm getting it a lot too. I'm excited to try it with reflex/dlss/etc. 🙂

[latent light]

8K 144Hz is actually gonna exist next year lol

[modern gull]

I got 1080p 75hz

[modern gull]

Does that even exist? 👀

[wintry prairie]

Oh yes 🙂

[modern gull]

1000hz when?

[wintry prairie]

It is one of the few, so far, ready for/with nVidia reflex

[modern gull]

I see, i see

75hz is more than enough for me lul

[wintry prairie]

Awesome!

People should use what they want. 🙂

[modern gull]

if i had like 144 i would have to constantly play at that fps i am sure of

I tried my friends 144hz and it was really good, but it would maybe be a bit expensive in the end considering my previous statement

I also would want to play at max settings 😛

[wintry prairie]

For sure! Everyone prioritizes different things, and max settings is definitely one of them.

I never have before, but this timme around I am going for max settings and max FPS. I'd lie to see how that fairs in BF 2042 and see how well Reflex does with DLSS.

[latent light]

360Hz is not for playing at max settings lol

It's for playing at low resolution and minimal settings in esports

[wintry prairie]

I am going for both 😉

[modern gull]

My priorities are basically max graphics at my monitor hz. You would need a really good cpu for 360hz i am sure of

[wintry prairie]

For sure. I have achieved it with my GPU 🙂

[modern gull]

Well a fast one at least

[latent light]

No CPU can achieve 360Hz in modern titles

[wintry prairie]

Check out the REFLEX videos, like the one with Linus

👍

[modern gull]

I mean in certain games i can reach 300+ fps with ease but others not

[latent light]

You'd be lucky to even touch 200 fps in a Battlefield title

[wintry prairie]

I get 200 in BF4

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[latent light]

200 year old game

[wintry prairie]

Then artificial cap hits

[modern gull]

I think i have managed 200 fps in some scenarios in bf5 if i don't remember wrong

[latent light]

Looking straight up in the sky maybe

[modern gull]

I mean like not that 😛

[wintry prairie]

lol

[modern gull]

Let me check my fps

[wintry prairie]

The cool thing is that you can ddo it.

[modern gull]

Got about 100 fps with ray tracing

[latent light]

I haven't heard of any performance numbers from the BF2042 playtest

Y'all remember when the BF5 alpha and beta both ran better than launch

[wintry prairie]

Love that 2042 will have REFLEX and DLSS

[modern gull]

It will have DLSS?

[modern gull]

lul

Could have been some disabled rendering features in the alpha/beta tho

@wintry prairie @latent light

If i overclocked my cpu maybe it will get stuck to 100%

Can't really overclock to much on this mb as of vram temps

This happens if i look only on the sky

[wintry prairie]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/battlefield-2042-nvidia-dlss-reflex/

[modern gull]

Oooouuuuu

[wintry prairie]

😁

[next beacon]

Damn, feels like I'm missing out

[wintry prairie]

Not sure how Relfex will help, but I'm ready. 🙂

Now to finish building my new system . . . I've been procrastinating a bit

[modern gull]

Unfortunate thing with DLSS is it only supports RTX gpu's so maybe they could have added the AMD one aswell, for those who have non rtx gpu's

[modern gull]

What are your specs 👀

[wintry prairie]

I would hope/guess they will add that too

[next beacon]

DICE, FSR, plz!

[modern gull]

Would be nice for those with lower end gpu's also 😛

[wintry prairie]

New system is a 5900X/3080ti/64GB 3600RAM/nvme pci 4.0 1TB
All in a custom water loop
360Hz 1080p

[modern gull]

Fancy

I was gonna buy the 3080 but changed my order to 3070 lul

[next beacon]

only 1080p with that setup?

[modern gull]

Got it in less than one month

[modern gull]

He's going for fps

[next beacon]

Ah

[wintry prairie]

For Reflex, yeah. I can switch to my 2K when I'd like

[modern gull]

You sure would need a good/fast cpu to get that gpu to 100% in many cases

[next beacon]

oh cool

[wintry prairie]

Should be fun 🙂

[next beacon]

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't envious

[modern gull]

I got i9 9900k and not able to reach 100% usage in some cases

[wintry prairie]

I'm running a 7900K, but will turn it into a second system.

[modern gull]

Nice

[wintry prairie]

I use it for business so I can justify it. Thanks boss. 🙂

But BF games have run fairly ell with much lower specs. The important thing is to have fun, whatever your specs. And for me, who I play with. Friends are the ones that end up making a game fun, imo.

I remember BF4 beta and people complaining so much about it and launch.

Most of what I remember is having fun.

[next beacon]

If only

[modern gull]

Having fun is the most important thing, but personally i want to have my monitor hz at all times 😛 At least now i have 75hz for a long time

[next beacon]

Human interaction is my piano

[modern gull]

lul

[latent light]

3080Ti will get bottlenecked by even the best CPUs at 1080p

[wintry prairie]

Awesome! Future proof!

[latent light]

But wait two generations and CPUs will catch up

[wintry prairie]

Exactly! :0

[latent light]

AMD Zen 4 and Intel 13th gen

[wintry prairie]

Nice!

And I can use it now with my 2K monitor also.

And then maybe 4K for Xmas

[lament flare]

Is 144Hz (1080p) and 240Hz (1080p) monitor noticeable?

I plan to change 60Hz (1080p) monitor.

[wintry prairie]

From 60 to 144, very. From 144 to 240, a little.

[lament flare]

Thank you

[serene dragon]

60hz to 144hz

bro

thats so much

noticable

and u gonna get unused to it cuz too smooth

[covert forge]

i ever change my monitor from 60 hz to 144 hz lol

its fell so smooth

and now my old monitor is in garbage

[wintry prairie]

I went from 60Hz to 360Hz recently. 👀

[prime jasper]

nice 👀👀👀

[lament flare]

Thank you for all suggestion. Well I will go for 144Hz.

[wintry prairie]

Awesome! I think you will enjoy it!

[alpine anvil]

Making the move from 60hz to 165hz was great for me

My cousin was offended when I told him "oh my monitor is at 60"

Glad he advised me to change it out

:)

[wintry prairie]

Nice move! 🙂

[lament flare]

BF2042 with 144FPS is not bad. I guess

[pliant niche]

Yes its noticable.

[lusty star]

You do realise that fps doesn't natter after a certain point

Skill does XD

[lusty star]

120 Hz is more of a laptop thing

[lusty star]

I'm mostly worried about not having freestyle warzone and dlss on 2042

[sinful mantle]

seems skill can only carry you so far these days

https://youtu.be/x-kwlaKKhp4

[lusty star]

Well 144 and 240 isn't that much of an improvement

Beyond 144 Hz and 144 fps
Things start to depend on skill

[light wave]

I get flamed to death for running a 3070 @ 1080p. Jokes on them... I'll be running a 3090 at that exact rez, real soon.

[quaint lichen]

I’ve only used 60hz monitors before is 144hz really that good

[light wave]

It's very noticeable to some, not so much for others. It depends on how your eyes perceive it.

[opaque saddle]

Isn’t it better if you can get the next Gen 4000 series card?

[light wave]

The power draw of those seems massive

[shrewd mango]

I had a 144hz as my main monitor for a while and it is cool but not really necessary, definitely notice a difference between 60hz and 144hz but at the same time, anything beyond a 60hz is really only for if you don't want tearing/artefacting when running higher fps

[opaque saddle]

Coz I felt like the 3090 isn’t an ideal choice

[light wave]

And I really want those sweet sweet toasty 24Gb's of VRAM.

[opaque saddle]

It is too power hungry, too big

[light wave]

I'm planning on running a Pimax HMD w/ knuckle controllers

[shrewd mango]

I'd trade VRAM for better cooling tbh

In what world would you even need 24gb of VRAM unless you're running 8k everything

[light wave]

Pimax is running at 8k if I'm not mistaken.

[shrewd mango]

It does

[opaque saddle]

i have a feeling the vram chips are running too hot for the card

[shrewd mango]

There's a 5k and an 8k

[light wave]

I know, most probably I'll waterblock it when I get it.

[quick locust]

Nah, you can avoid those at 60 as well. But going higher is smoother and more responsive

[light wave]

Only reason I really held back on a custom loop is that I'm currently running a 3070

[opaque saddle]

i think you do need to

there isn't much an option

[quick locust]

Reminder that it has vram on both sides

[shrewd mango]

I want to get a 3080ti but I feel like I'd throttle my 8700k

[light wave]

Yeah I won't let my VRAM sit at 105C

[quick locust]

Cause clamshell design

[opaque saddle]

lol

true

[light wave]

Didn't EVGA sell backplates for that exact reason?

[supple bane]

The 6900xt crushes the 3090 at 1080p btw

The 6800xt beats the 3090 at 1080p even

[shrewd mango]

I don't even let my gpu go above 80C cause I feel like I'd fry it.

[light wave]

I'd stick to a 3070 if I wanted 1080p performance, but 8k on the Pimax HMD is my goal.

[quick locust]

That temp won't fry it

[supple bane]

I see

[quick locust]

I think so?

[modern gull]

Could get some benefit from the extra vram if developers start using really high res textures

[shrewd mango]

I know, but I feel like running at 85+ would just screw it over, I fried my 2070 cause it ran 88 or so constantly

[modern gull]

What even is the intended res for 3090 anyways?

[quick locust]

You should have RMAd that then if the cooling is actually that faulty

[light wave]

4k is the intended usecase I believe.

[quick locust]

Running up to 85 is fine to nvidia

[modern gull]

I see, i see

[shrewd mango]

I had to look it up why it did but it's apparently because the one I had (MSI Armor 2070 8g) had a tendency to run hot. Didn't help that I was running 3 monitors and a VR headset

[modern gull]

Don't the 3080/3090 perform about the same in 4k tho? Might have been 1080p if i don't remember wrong

[quick locust]

It's still faulty if it dies with that usage

[light wave]

RT performance is better, I think.

[quick locust]

Its not supposed to be able to fail at all under normal use (For some years anyway)

[shrewd mango]

When I got it, the box was beat to hell, possibly second hand or returned, most likely a contributing factor.

[opaque saddle]

i do think MSI Armour has a lower end cooler

[shrewd mango]

The armour had horrendous cooling

They're the cheapest of the series which is probably why

[light wave]

Their X Trio cards have brilliant cooling.

[quick locust]

Should still not be able to destroy itself in any case

[modern gull]

Ah, well at least you get more than just extra vram for your money then

[toxic wigeon]

For anyone in OCE. Does anyone have experience with Scorptec?

[opaque saddle]

yes

[toxic wigeon]

How is it?

I'm thinking of grabbing a gpu from there with afterpay

[opaque saddle]

it is alright....

[quick locust]

Like EVGA that had an issue with fan controller which they will replace any failure of

[opaque saddle]

not good nor bad

[toxic wigeon]

It does its job but it's nothing special basically

[opaque saddle]

i reckon you need to check ozbargain

[light wave]

The one where RPM's went up to 1mil or so?

[quick locust]

Yeah

[opaque saddle]

coz it isn't the right choice paying the same product with a different price tag

which one are you looking @toxic wigeon

[toxic wigeon]

I'll share

[opaque saddle]

i usually get the card with a better cooler

[toxic wigeon]

https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/graphics-cards/nvidia/90715-zt-a30710j-10p

[quick locust]

Well iirc it was 220K ish @light wave

[toxic wigeon]

I'm looking at this

Not happy with the price but as long as i can get one through after pay especially i'm fine

[shrewd mango]

I have a second hand EVGA 2080 ti and so far, even though the previous owner water blocked it, the fans havent had issues, and luckily, EVGA warranty covers anyone even if they're not the one who bought it originally

[light wave]

Yeah it was more of a dramatisation on my part, still, it fried cards haha

[opaque saddle]

i reckon it is far too expensive...

[light wave]

Meanwhile my 3070 has it's fans turned off if it doesn't exceed 10% usage lol

And never has it ramped up to max fan speed

[quick locust]

Mine has 35% minimum fan speed

Which is around 1050 rpm

[opaque saddle]

depend on how you look at it

[shrewd mango]

I made it so the fans are constantly running, otherwise the California heat would constantly have them turn on then off

[toxic wigeon]

I'm not gonna get a 3070ti for 1240 dollars anyways lmao

Cause that shit goes outta stock easily

[opaque saddle]

i know

as i said i usually get the premium model

[shrewd mango]

I'm going to wait until I can get an ROG 3080 ti at msrp because 2700$ is a bit much

[quick locust]

You'll either wait long or be lucky in store

[shrewd mango]

I wish there was even a store around that would sell a 3080 ti, let alone a 30 series card.

I know damn well Best Buy wouldn't have one

[opaque saddle]

@toxic wigeon It supposed to have a better cooler than other 3070TI. It is far too expensive coz there isn't much 3070ti till now. Check out cashback website. i think they are offering 0.7% cashback

[quick locust]

They're just about to restock

[opaque saddle]

so i guess that makes it 10 bucks cheaper

[shrewd mango]

The nearest micro center is 100 miles away, and my car, which is probably on the verge of breaking down with the amount of mileage it has, wouldn't even get there.

[toxic wigeon]

Jesus

[quick locust]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/best-buy-restocks-17000-nvidia-rtx-30-series-gpus-tomorrow-august-26

[shrewd mango]

But in store?

[quick locust]

Yeah

[shrewd mango]

Damn, so they're going to have them, but I don't have the money.. ain't that a bitch

[opaque saddle]

that sounds like a few trailers of GPU

[shrewd mango]

The closest store to me that'll have them is still 55 miles away

[velvet lantern]

squints eyes yes i see now

[shrewd mango]

There's 2 or 3 Best Buys in my county, but not a single one is on that list

[quick locust]

Head to anchorage nobody goes there

Jk

[shrewd mango]

You know, if it weren't for the earthquakes, or polar bears, or moose, I'd totally consider moving to Alaska, my PC would never heat up there.

[quick locust]

Alaskans with 3080s but no Internet

[opaque saddle]

that doesn't make sense

[quick locust]

[shrewd mango]

Even as a Californian, earthquakes still scare me, and with the ones in anchorage averagely being 5.0s and above, no gracias

[opaque saddle]

There are so many earthquakes in California and human aren't able to detect it. Power board with Surge Protector is more likely be able to save your computer and other electronic goods.

[lusty star]

well lightnings have over 1000J of energy

no surge protector is gonna handle that

[opaque saddle]

i mean it will be so unlucky to get hit directly

but i usually switch it off during power storms

we usually have power storms every 10 days

[shrewd mango]

*Laughs and crys in no storms ever since 2017*

[lusty star]

I'm confused between a 3060 and 6800M

[quick locust]

That's very low

[lusty star]

well 13000 is the actual number xD

[lusty star]

like Ray tracing is something i dont give a shit about
But its the DLSS and Freeplay Filters

3070s laptops are either too expensive
or they are out of stock

[quick locust]

No it's up to 10^10J

[lusty star]

in air, yes

since air has massive resistance
and the current is massive too

but in wires

resisitance is exponentially low

and power = (i^2)R

[quick locust]

Still enough to fry it

After blowing up your roof

[lusty star]

well it's more likely to fry a long tree or the lightning rod instead of the house

anyways

what do you say?

[quick locust]

about the gpus?

[quick locust]

6800M unless you absolutely need freestyle

[lusty star]

these three are my options

[lusty star]

i need it for just one game tbh

warzone

[velvet lantern]

laptop D:

[quick locust]

Then get advantage one

With 6800M

[lusty star]

cool

[lusty star]

well the 6800M is 5% slower than a 6700XT

now you do the rest of the math

modern gaming laptops are not thar far away from a gaming desktop

[opaque saddle]

I bought two of those power boards

So I can control it through my phone

They are 78 AUD MSRP each

[plucky token]

monkaS

[quick locust]

https://www.pocket-lint.com/laptops/news/microsoft/158144-microsoft-kills-support-for-native-android-office-apps-on-chromebook

[tropic field]

Because web apps will obviously run better 🙄

[atomic jackal]

what are some surge protectors you guys recommend?

my pc draws 550 watts

type c socket

[opaque saddle]

Powerboard

[atomic jackal]

recently there is just an outage every day

im tired of it honestly

what if it goes out when im at sleep and my pc gets destroyed

[molten coral]

I use this: https://www.amazon.de/APC-Surge-Protector-Steckdosenleiste-Überspannungsschutz/dp/B00T7BZ8W8/

[opaque saddle]

Don’t know. The substation near mum’s house around 35 years ago got struck by lighting strike

[atomic jackal]

i dont understand anything

its german

lol

[opaque saddle]

So I think it went from 230V to 400V

So the fridge is gone

[atomic jackal]

hmm yeah i think i need a capable protector

[opaque saddle]

The board needs to be repaired

But I will go for 4500J

[atomic jackal]

i manages to find one portable socket

but it only supports to like

[opaque saddle]

I can’t remember what brand it was

[atomic jackal]

240 V

[molten coral]

turn the page into English? isn't that hard to do

[atomic jackal]

it just gets me to the main page

[opaque saddle]

The best one I think is the yellow one with 6 sockets

[atomic jackal]

is 230V enough

idk if it is

theres not really a chance of a lightning striking

so im only worried about the daily outages

[opaque saddle]

HPM

[supple bane]

Dont you live in the us?

[atomic jackal]

Hpm?

[atomic jackal]

i dont

[supple bane]

Ah

[atomic jackal]

i live in turkey

[opaque saddle]

HPM is a brand

Depends on how much you are willing to pay

[atomic jackal]

any models you recommend?

[quaint lichen]

I speak German and I don’t either

[atomic jackal]

or the one you use

[atomic jackal]

lol

[opaque saddle]

I replaced all of the stuff with a surge protected powerboard

[supple bane]

Its dutch thats why

[atomic jackal]

god the vaccine hurts

i got the vaccine and my arm hurts

anyway

[atomic jackal]

which model do you use

[opaque saddle]

Wait up

[atomic jackal]

im using a belkin f9e400en1m

idk if its sufficient

i need a type c

[opaque saddle]

??

[supple bane]

The plug i think

Type c plug

[opaque saddle]

There is no type c socket AFAIK

[atomic jackal]

type c plug

type f

[opaque saddle]

most of the are type A

[atomic jackal]

then

[opaque saddle]

Oh

[atomic jackal]

type f or c

[atomic jackal]

yeah type f

[opaque saddle]

Not sure if they sell it

[supple bane]

That diagram is wrong

[opaque saddle]

And uk plug

That is old

[supple bane]

Yeah we use type g

[lofty light]

No Aus on there

[supple bane]

Type g best plug

[opaque saddle]

Agreed

I love the UK plug coz they are robust

[atomic jackal]

so

any power surge protectors that are type f?

[supple bane]

Its so well thought out the uk plug. Everything is designed with safety in mind

[opaque saddle]

You have to buy it from your local shops

[atomic jackal]

and is the one i use good enough

[atomic jackal]

.

[opaque saddle]

What you should look at is the Joule

4500 is rare and expensive to get

I don’t have a recommendation. If there is amazon in your country, maybe you can get it for a cheaper price. But it seems you have to buy it from European countries.

[supple bane]

Also

needing to buy surge protectors

[opaque saddle]

https://www.belkin.com/au/chargers/surge-protectors/home-theater/2-4-amp-usb-charging-8-outlet-surge-protection-strip/p/p-bsv804-2m/

This is the one I bought

[atomic jackal]

my house isnt grounded

so

[opaque saddle]

I think you have to upgrade your house first

[atomic jackal]

im having them daily

they last like 30 seconds

[opaque saddle]

Coz this is the first step

[atomic jackal]

but it happens every day

[opaque saddle]

Maybe the power grid from your areas isn’t stable

[atomic jackal]

some people hijack the meter to pay less

so they use a metric ton of electricity

and the grid cant handle that

[opaque saddle]

Sounds like dodgy businesses

[atomic jackal]

probably

[atomic jackal]

normal people do it actually they just glue the meter

i think its a crime

yet they still do it

[opaque saddle]

Anyway. What you have to look, is the joule value from the surge protected powerboard

[atomic jackal]

it doesnt say joules

[opaque saddle]

That might not have a surge protector inside

[atomic jackal]

i think it is 240J

though

[opaque saddle]

If you really want to fix that, get an UPS on top of the powerboard

[atomic jackal]

you know they cost cash right

i dont get cash from trees

[prime jasper]

OMG PPL WHO PRE ORDERED CHECK UR EMAIL OMG OMG WTF

[opaque saddle]

It cost money, yes

[atomic jackal]

and i dont have any money left

so no i cant buy a ups currently

[opaque saddle]

Not many people has an UPS at home

[atomic jackal]

what happened

[supple bane]

its a troll lol

[lusty star]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-chapelle-speech-stfu-shut-the-fuck-off-gif-8955281

[tender socket]

intel is going to do gpus again

[wintry prairie]

Everyone should! I currently use 4 of them. :)

[midnight crypt]

Just make sure they dont explode

[plucky token]

my setup got shown on the gamescom livestream today. kinda happy :3

[quick locust]

I don't use any UPS and recently I accidentally unplugged my NAS

Nothing happened though and I have snapshots anyway

[wintry prairie]

That is awesome! Congrats!

[quick locust]

I could get an UPS maybe if there's any for Type K

Though power is very stable here

[tender socket]

I have a 7-year-old monitor

[plucky token]

i have 2 connected

imagine

[quick locust]

Nice

[tender socket]

I want to leave here

[tender socket]

(my country)

[molten coral]

Same, also don't have a UPS power goes down maybe once a year here

and don't really run anything special

[plucky token]

if the power goes down here mid day, i wouldnt even notice it

our solar power generates more power a day as we use

[quick locust]

Yeah power outages are very uncommon here

Our coal and gas plants have a steady supply

Plus I got solar panels on house

[plucky token]

coal

[molten coral]

Most of my power is generated by windturbines

Would love to have solar panels but I rent a house so it isn't worth it

[quick locust]

Same here but its variable

We had this house since 80s

So worth it

[plucky token]

in my state, every new build house has to install solar panels on the roof. Which i think is really good

[opaque saddle]

We are using solar power as well

[quick locust]

We got solar panels right before they put huge tax on them

So just in time

Otherwise they would not have been worth buying

[opaque saddle]

They should be like an investment

Unlike my dad who treated that as a savings