technology

[plain stag]

which aio do you have, did you oc your cpu?

[atomic jackal]

asus tuf gaming 3060

@plain stag

[plain stag]

what about game settings

frame rate

[atomic jackal]

max

125 fps

[plain stag]

all normal

your pc is operating as it should

for the most part

[atomic jackal]

but i still cannot understand why the card doesn't use all of its potential even in demanding games

[plain stag]

bf1 is hardly a demanding game nowadays

try playing rdr 2 and you will see your gpu crying

[atomic jackal]

i dont have it

[plain stag]

well, anything thats made in the last year or two

is more demanding than bf1 that was made in 2016

5 years ago

i had like 60% gpu usage in bf1 with a 1070

in bf5, that usage was like 85%

but a 6600k was my bottleneck, even though it was overclocked, it was still a bottleneck

[prime jasper]

deepcool castle 240mm and yes overclocked at 4.7

[plain stag]

nice, whats your voltage

and is it on all 6 cores?

[prime jasper]

yes all 6 cores

[prime jasper]

idk i put it on auto i think

[plain stag]

okay

im at 1.256V

i got a rather average sample, so 4.6 is my limit

without going with unreasonable amount of voltage

[prime jasper]

its at peak cores voltage at 1.35

[plain stag]

i got like 4.65ghz but i had to put like 1.41v

when i get a gpu, ill see to fine tune it more

or maybe do per core overclocking

[prime jasper]

isnt more than like 1.37v not good for ryzen cpus?

[plain stag]

eh, not really

i mean, its with whatever you feel comfortable with

with older ryzens that was more the case

but with 5000, even 1.4 is fine

but im just adding more voltage and increasing power usage and temps for very minimal return

ill see to oc my two best cores more, and decrease the rest, i might get better fps in games

[atomic jackal]

mine is like 1.280 and i dont know why

sometimes its even higher

[plain stag]

its goes up and down on its own

cuz you have it set to auto

i set my voltage on my own which is 1.256v, but when its under load, im at 1.244v

[atomic jackal]

is it better for it to be lower or higher

[plain stag]

well, lower voltage means less power usage and lower temperature

but it also means less potential stability

im actually not sure if my voltage is stable when playing games

i cant play anything demanding right no, but from the games that i played, it seems stable enough

[pulsar smelt]

gpu usage should be ok at +90% when using ultra graphics?

[dull solstice]

Do you really believe that a GPU needs to be at max usage at all times for it to be leveraged well?

[bright crow]

downloaded bf1 and i was suprised how good they made the game my gtx 970 handle it well

playing ultra settings feels good

[plain stag]

970 was really good so

[wintry prairie]

Pretty much. My other system with a 980ti runs smooth, even with triple monitor setup. 🙂

[solemn rampart]

rtx 2090

rtx 9030

[proud trellis]

ok

[wintry prairie]

This man has come to us from the future.

[odd current]

anyone running pfsense?

[molten coral]

I used to use it

[prime jasper]

anyone have a new AMD GPU and BF4 is crahing on them?

[alpine haven]

Not currently. It's been a number of years.

[south sierra]

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VG279Q-Monitor-FreeSync-Adaptive/dp/B07KXHTRT5 is this good monitor?

[supple bane]

the 165hz variant is cheaper

[marsh gull]

lmao yes

[dull solstice]

Maybe it is because of the factory-overclocked panel, rather than a spec-conforming one?

[quick locust]

wonder why samsung laptops arent more popular

they seem alright thin and lights

[atomic jackal]

my parents are angry because i wanted a fan

[supple bane]

did you fix your temperature issue?

[atomic jackal]

well i lowered core clock

it's better now

[supple bane]

no. wrong solution

did you apply the cooler or did it come with the prebuilt?

[atomic jackal]

but i said "hey lets buy a double tower fan, it would be a good investment"

[atomic jackal]

pre

[supple bane]

is the fan spinning on the cooler?

because even a hunk of metal will be able to keep a cpu cooler than 70c at idle

[atomic jackal]

he started shouting at me why didnt you buy it with the pc, i said i wanted to test first he said it was too complex for him

man living with illiterates is too hard

[atomic jackal]

yeah it is at 55 at idle

[supple bane]

after you lowered the core clock?

btw put that back. thats just like trying to put out a small house fire by bulldozing the house and throwing it into the ocean. sure it works but you are sacrificing so much

dm me a picture of the cooler

the cpu cooler

[atomic jackal]

i put it at 3.8

[supple bane]

just reset bios to factory default

its a stock amd cooler

those are perfectly adequate

its something wrong with the mount, im sure of it

id suggest you order some thermal paste on amazon (its like 5 bucks for a tube) remove the cooler which is just held on by some twisty plastic things. wipe off the thermal paste with some tissue, squeeze out some new thermal paste onto the cpu, put cooler back on. fixed.

hopefully

either the cooler isnt held down correctly, the thermal paste wasnt squished properly when the cooler was applied, the cooler isnt applied correctly or there isnt any thermal paste at all

but the problem is, all of those problems require you to remove the cooler to fix/check, and you need to re-apply the thermal paste when you do that.

[atomic jackal]

my dad is screaming at me for that

[supple bane]

for what?

[atomic jackal]

and he won't let me open it because ill "break something"

[atomic jackal]

just because i said a new cooler would be a better option

[supple bane]

you shouldnt need a new cooler

[atomic jackal]

hm

[dull solstice]

Was the computer liquid-cooled?

[atomic jackal]

nope stock

[dull solstice]

Have you ever attempted to take apart your own PC before to no success?

[supple bane]

i have done some stupid things/harmful things and parts walk off like nothing happened to them. you would be amazed at how durable pc parts really are.

they also have designs that stop people that dont know what they are doing from damaging them.

[atomic jackal]

no

[supple bane]

i mean, ive put power plugs in upside down, ive stabbed PCB's with screwdrivers, ive dropped stuff ive broken things off, ive connecting things wrong, ive pulled on stuff too hard and the pcb has started to bend

[atomic jackal]

do i have the chance to harm the pc by taking the fan out?

[supple bane]

and non of those things have ever killed anything

no, the chances are basically 0

[atomic jackal]

i see

do i have to remove the gpu before that?

[supple bane]

the only way i could think is you drop the cooler whilst taking it out and it breaks something

no.

[dull solstice]

You have the chance of dropping a screw or otherwise affixing it improperly, or what your father is likely most afraid of, getting too curious about other components without knowing what you are doing, or misplacing case screws and crying to him about it.

[lofty light]

I've not killed stuff but things have died on me, like my poor FTW 1080

[supple bane]

infact last time i built a pc, i had to hold the motherboard, a 240mm rad, hold a pair of plyers on one end of a screw and undo the other end with a screwdriver

you can imagine how much scratchy scratchy jabby jabby was happening there

and everything was perfectly fine

if you are wondering a motherboard standoff was stuck onto the screw.

[molten coral]

I dropped my mobo when I was unpacking it

Works perfectly fine :P

[atomic jackal]

i think ill open it up at evening

so far i ruled out the possibility of it being used

because hd sentinel says the hdds are 2 days old

so its not old

yeah the only possibility is cooler

%100 sure

[plain stag]

We talked about his temps and cooler in the last few days

Amd wraith is good enough for stock operations, and its a r5 3600

But its a poor mount, cuz he is getting high idle temps

[supple bane]

Which is what i said

[plain stag]

Yep

Also, his voltage seems to go quite high

It's on auto

But who knows what the SI put in bios

Wouldn't be surprised if they modified some shit, which can also be a contributing factor for increased temps

1.28v for r5 3600, I'm not too familiar with stock voltages for zen 2 cpus

And it goes higher as he says

[atomic jackal]

its currently 1.275

[plain stag]

While im at 1.256v while being overclocked, but its a 5600x so it is more efficient than zen 2

They incrementally kept decreasing voltage requirements

First gen ryzens were running at like 1.4v i believe

[supple bane]

my 2600 is 1.25v too

but overclocked i have it going to 1.4

1.4v at 4.1ghz

[atomic jackal]

by the way

if i bought a 5600

would temperatures be lower

[supple bane]

no

the same

look you temperatures SHOULD be fine.

its just who ever put your pc together fucked it up likely

[pulsar smelt]

Guys, I was playing bfv on 98% gpu usage at 70c(max) on ultra and using future frame

is that normal, right?

[supple bane]

yes

what wouldnt be normal about that ?

[atomic jackal]

its just that ive seen a lot of people that have problems with 3600 on the internet

all of them say it heats up too much

[supple bane]

the 3600 is a low power cpu lol

its a draws 65w under full load.

amds top of the line chips will triple that, intels will probably quadruple

[pulsar smelt]

im afraid about lifespan

mine is 1660

[supple bane]

70c is pretty cool

with gpus 90c is the tipping point for damage

my gpu sits at 82c under load

[plain stag]

Possibly, cuz 5600x is more efficient and it works under lower voltages, but the difference is negligible, unless you hunt for a few degrees lower for whatever reason

Even 90c isnt damaging

100c is, cuz silicon starts a molecular change when it goes above 100c

Thats why pc's shut down if cpu/gpu reach 105c

Components aren't stupid

They have built in features to run within spec and if it goes beyond that, they shut down

That's why its really really hard to kill a cpu/gpu with overclocking

They have limits that you can't change, you would need special bios to bypass those safety features

For example, allowing a 3090 to ask for 700w of power, bypassing a power limit, or unlocking voltage controls

But those bios settings aren't usually publicly available, they are shared between extreme overclockers or you need to go to specific overclocking websites

They don't hand them out willy nilly, cuz people would be actually bricking their cards and cpus left, right and center

And those kinds of settings aren't for daily use, they are just for hunting record scores

[atomic jackal]

guys

i turned off CPB

around 12 degrees difference

now i get 71 degrees

on bf 1

[plain stag]

Cpb?

Core performance boost?

[atomic jackal]

yeah

crazy how it fucks the cpu so bad

[plain stag]

Why would you turn that off

[atomic jackal]

because it makes my cpu so freaking hot?

[plain stag]

So what

You aren't reaching max temps

[atomic jackal]

yeah

[plain stag]

You will have lower fps

Because you're turning off single core boost

[atomic jackal]

i get 68-73 degrees now

[atomic jackal]

not really

[plain stag]

Which is very useful

[atomic jackal]

i used to get 120

now i get 115

[plain stag]

Cpb is single core boost

[atomic jackal]

im willing to trade a few fps for temperature

[plain stag]

It will depend from game to game

But why make that trade when you're nowhere near dangerous temps

Its a tradeoff that doesn't make sense really

[atomic jackal]

idk man 85 seems really hot

at %30 use even

[plain stag]

We've stated several times by now that 85c isn't that high

When gpus easily reach 80c

[atomic jackal]

my gpu never got hotter than 60

[plain stag]

It depends which card

A 3060 wont reach those temps

[atomic jackal]

i mean mine has really good fans

so yeah

[plain stag]

Especially a tri axial fan design

[atomic jackal]

yeah mine is asus tuf gaming

[plain stag]

Blower style gpus will easily reach 82c

My 1070 could easily reach 92c

When i increased temp limit

[atomic jackal]

might as well cook some bacon on top

😂

[plain stag]

Cuz it was a founders edition

Blower style fan

But i gained like 10 fps more in certain games

Cuz i could sustain higher boost clocks

And it pretty much gives even more evidence that its a bad mount when you disabled cpb

The core that's boosting higher is generating more heat

And theres not enough pressure on that side where that core is to transfer the heat more efficiently

[atomic jackal]

dont worry

ill get a new fan in a few days

ill make sure to push

[plain stag]

I'm not worrying

Cuz 85c isnt terrible

It's not about pushing

It's about making equal pressure

[atomic jackal]

it gets to 95 degrees while stress testing

[atomic jackal]

yeah ill make sure to do that

[plain stag]

Yeah, cuz its a synthetic load on the cpu

Designed to behave like that

When i run cinebench r20 my temp goes to 65c

But while gaming, i dont go beyond 45, albeit i cant play high demand games right now

[atomic jackal]

forgot to mention

the test i did was actually cinebench

so

95 degrees at cinebench doesnt sound normal

[cloud solar]

did you buy a prebuilt or build the pc yourself

[atomic jackal]

they built it for me but i picked the parts myself

so technically prebuilt

[cloud solar]

whos they

[atomic jackal]

well a computer company here,they are only in my country i guess

[cloud solar]

hm ok then

[atomic jackal]

they are a pretty big brand though

[marble meadow]

case air flow is very important. make sure to have a fan in all available slots

[atomic jackal]

i have 4 fans in my case

so i think its pretty good

[fallen harbor]

i have 7, and it was a mistake

because i already need to lubricate some of them

maybe i just got a shitty brand

but they look cool

[cloud solar]

what do you guys think the price of a 4080 will be when it launches

im thinking 800$

[fallen harbor]

i think that it wont matter

because stock prices stopped being a thing two generations ago

[cloud solar]

ok idc

thats not what i asked

[fallen harbor]

well i dont think its possible to reasonably answer to your question, i dont think i can give an informed guess since theres no info

[cloud solar]

there was some info

its supposed to be another huge leap in performance like the 3000 series was

[supple bane]

you can take a guess based on past price increases

980-1080 was +50, 1080-2080 was +100, 2080-3080 was the same

so id guess somewhere between 550-800 bucks

[cloud solar]

hopefully they dont screw up and release the 4080 with 8 gigs of vram

needs to have 16

[supple bane]

16 is a push

[cloud solar]

amd cards have 16

[supple bane]

and its mostly useless

[cloud solar]

nvidia can easily do it

[supple bane]

more ram doesnt mean more performance

[cloud solar]

never said it did

[next beacon]

There are few games that suck up a lot of vram

[supple bane]

so whats the point in 16gb vram for gaming

[next beacon]

Key term:few

[cloud solar]

but how the hell are you going to push for 8k gaming on 10 gigs

[fallen harbor]

i think like 1% of people would play 8k

its not a wide market

[supple bane]

yes, 8k does require 16gb vram

but 1% is a massive overstatement

id guess closer to 0.1%

[toxic zealot]

why do peoppe need 8k anyway

do people use 60 inch screens for gaming?

[supple bane]

yanno 1440p is only 8%

[fallen harbor]

lol

[cloud solar]

the thing is, theyre trying to make 8k a viable option but they cheap out on the vram

i think amd went in the right direction and i think nvidia will follow

[supple bane]

i guess we will see in a year or so

[cloud solar]

maybe not for games rn but in a few years or so

[supple bane]

msfs2020 is the most vram intensive game that i know of. and it uses 20gb at 8k ultra

[proud trellis]

is 3440x1440 basically ultrawide ?

[supple bane]

yes

[toxic zealot]

Doom eternal uses 11gb vram in 4k

why are you talking about 8k

8k is not relevant to anything

You cant afford it, can barely see it cant have over 60hz

they arent going to put 32 gb vram on consumer graphics

Unless you like paying double the price for a gpu

[supple bane]

actually. they are also probably doing that to push a market to the titan/xx90 cards

id put money on that actually

[cloud solar]

probably

[supple bane]

because they always have more vram. so if someone needs lots of vram then they are forced to spent more money

[cloud solar]

idk if ill jump on the 4000 series wagon right when it releases

i might wait to see what amd does

[toxic zealot]

amd might surpass nvidia next gen

If nvidia doesnt have any tricks

[supple bane]

they already have surpassed them in traditional rendering

[toxic zealot]

chiplets brought to gpus

not that much

pretty even

[cloud solar]

id like to see amd work on their raytracing with the rx7000 cards

[supple bane]

well if they went from their top dog being the 5700xt which was on level with the 2070 super, to the 6900xt which was on level with the 3090....

you are probably onto something with nvidia really needing to tread lightly

[cloud solar]

if they could at least match the 3080 with the 7800xt in raytracing performance, while out performing the 4080 in rasterized rendering

[toxic zealot]

i dont care about raytracing

Raytracing wont be a proper thing untill gpus get like 5-10 times better at doing if

[cloud solar]

theyd have a real competition with nvidia finally

raytracing wont be a proper thing until the next console generation

for now it will be optional and just there if you want it

[toxic zealot]

Why do consoles.matter in that case

[cloud solar]

games are made with consoles in mind

[toxic zealot]

No

its nvidia who started pushing raytracing

They arent in sonys

[cloud solar]

series x, s, and ps5 all have raytracing

[toxic zealot]

Well duh ofc they do

[cloud solar]

but it significantly hampers performance sometimes

[toxic zealot]

because desktop counterparts do it already

rayttacing cores arent fast enough

[cloud solar]

so it wont become the norm until next gen consoles can do it with no issues

it might become standard on pc

but not throughout the industry

[toxic zealot]

to raytrace light you need immense amount of power

raytracing isnt so hard to implement that you need console makers force industry to change

[cloud solar]

you do bc the consoles arent powerful enough to make it standard yet

so wed need new ones that do it better

[toxic zealot]

huh

[plain stag]

Turning on ray tracing in games at 1080p is already good enough in terms of performance, with nvidia gpus that is

[toxic zealot]

Nothing is powerful enough to raytrace properly rn

[cloud solar]

????

where did you get that info

[toxic zealot]

maybe check out what real raytracing looks like and how many hours it takes to render a scene with it

[supple bane]

yeah, i agree with laaven actually

[cloud solar]

metro enhanced and minecraft both utilize real time path tracing

[supple bane]

PROPER raytracing, takes at least a few minutes to render 1 frame

[toxic zealot]

Minecraft is the only game that has actual effect with it because it has very simple geometry

[plain stag]

Ray tracing in games is very simplified

Look at movie industry

It takes a day to render a few frames

[toxic zealot]

Metro enchanced raytracing doesnt do much

[plain stag]

To create photo realistic scenes

[cloud solar]

its not going to be the norm until the consoles can do it better

thats my point

thats all ive been saying

bc its true

[toxic zealot]

what is going to be norm

[plain stag]

And they are using server racks pretty much to render

[toxic zealot]

it cant be norm if nothing can do it properly yet

[cloud solar]

this isnt raytracing a movie scene

this is video games

[toxic zealot]

Well ye

[cloud solar]

so stop moving the goal post to fit your narrative

weirdo

[plain stag]

It's not, but the technique that they use in games is very simplified

But as i said before, 1080p ray tracing performance is adequate on a 3080 (in most games)

[toxic zealot]

But rasterized shading uses 3 decades worth of tricks

[plain stag]

And it will only get better each year

Or rather each generation

[cloud solar]

i said that we most likely wont see raytracing become a standard until the next generation of consoles because they dictate how games are going to be designed

rn they are just not good enough at it

[plain stag]

Since nvidia releases new gen gpus at a bi yearly rate

They are at its infancy

[cloud solar]

and pc hardware dictates how ms and sony will design their new consoles

[plain stag]

But we will see a lot more games supporting a form of ray tracing because consoles can do it

[cloud solar]

so if nvidia and amd keep doing research and pushing rt performance, itll be standard by next gen

[cloud solar]

yes

but i dont think many people will use it

since it hits performance pretty hard

[plain stag]

They will for sightseeing games

Not mp games thats for sure

Plus, techniques like fsr will help the consoles a lot

And i reckon devs will implement it more and more

[toxic zealot]

fsr should be mandatory implemented in all games

[plain stag]

Cuz ray tracing is a huge marketing asset right now

[toxic zealot]

Unless its false that it can be. Implemented in half a day by average dev

[plain stag]

It's the next buzz word

2042 will most likely have iy

Along side with dlss

[cloud solar]

i think it (games in the future) should have it but it should be optional

[toxic zealot]

huge marketing asset?

For dick measuring you mean

[plain stag]

Well yes

[toxic zealot]

Who gots 1 cm more

[plain stag]

But no matter how much amd invests in fsr

It will never be as good as dlss

[toxic zealot]

ofc

But no matter how much nvidia invests in dlss

[cloud solar]

i dont like dlss

[plain stag]

Machine learning is just a better tool

[toxic zealot]

Dlss will always be hard to implement

[plain stag]

Well, apparently implementing dlss is becoming easier and easier

[cloud solar]

fsr just looks better to me

[toxic zealot]

unless they go open source that could change things

[plain stag]

Devs can easily download an sdk now

But ot needs a lot of work

To provide high res pictures

So that the network can learn what to do

[toxic zealot]

fsr cant look better than well trained dlss

[plain stag]

Dlss 2.0 is getting bettet with each update

[cloud solar]

dlss just doesnt look good to me

thats my opinion

[toxic zealot]

its literally improved sharpening when you think about it

[plain stag]

1.0 is trash

But 2.0 is way way better

[cloud solar]

maybe its bc im on a stupid 2000 card

[toxic zealot]

objectively dlss looks better

[plain stag]

It depends of the game

Bf5 dlss implementation is quite bad

[cloud solar]

well idc about "objectively"

[plain stag]

Cuz its dlss 1.0

[toxic zealot]

fsr can be very efficient in certain games tho

[cloud solar]

subjectively, i like fsr

you cant change that

cry about it

[toxic zealot]

idc about opinions for that subject

[cloud solar]

cry about it

bozo

[plain stag]

Fsr is better than dlss 1.0

I can give you that much

[toxic zealot]

it is

Dlss 1.0 was a meme

[plain stag]

But compared to 2.0, fsr needs A LOT of work

[cloud solar]

dlss looks overly sharp

[toxic zealot]

what does it mean overly sharp

[plain stag]

And the latest 2.3? Update just improved performance

[cloud solar]

i prefer the softer look of fsr with a little bit of sharpening added

thats just my opinion

ppl are allowed to like different things

[toxic zealot]

That sounds the same as saying i prefer 1080p over 1440p

[cloud solar]

its not

but ok

[toxic zealot]

unless you mean that dlss changes something in pixels that its not supposed to

[cloud solar]

it looks like dlss over sharpens the image

and it looks gross sometimes

[toxic zealot]

It may depending on the game

And settings

dont remember it being that much of a issue for the most part

i noticed more of people saying its good on mid settings when it was actually getting blurry asf

for me for both dlss and fsr only ultra setting is worth

[cloud solar]

maybe ive just seen bad examples of dlss

idk

i just hope that some day we can have hardware thats powerful enough to do this stuff without dlss and all that

[toxic zealot]

well ofc

You cant fake missing data

i mean rtx 3090 can run games at 4k 120 fps

So idk how far are you thinking

[cloud solar]

i dont think we will go past 4k in resolution any time soon either

unless they really want to push 8k

[toxic zealot]

do people need past 4k res

[cloud solar]

i dont think we need 8k

[toxic zealot]

4k on 30 inch and less has insane pixel density

[cloud solar]

1440p even is really good

i think 8k tvs will become standard

since tvs are usually huge

but thats really it

[toxic zealot]

phones with 1440p look analog for me

in terms of seeing any jagged anything

getting 4k to 240hz could be interesting

[cloud solar]

do we even have screens that do 4k 120 yet

i havent seen ANY

[toxic zealot]

But whenever gpus catch up there are always harder to run games go make

With new game engines

[cloud solar]

right, this is why i havent seen any

[toxic zealot]

im 100% there was one

Oleds can do it

ye

[cloud solar]

43 inches

calling that a monitor is really pushing it

[toxic zealot]

wonder whats the panel quality

Havent heard of it actually

Last o checked. There were 48 inch oleds

[cloud solar]

they need to just make hdr monitors already

quantum dot oled whatever

just make it happen

tvs are dumb

[toxic zealot]

Oh right

Qled is the inferior oled

you need oled for actual hdr

or something similar

Not that simple

[cloud solar]

also

that 1100$ screen is flat

[toxic zealot]

and?

[cloud solar]

flat is awful

[toxic zealot]

i have never seen curved qled/oled

Oh

There seem to be some

[cloud solar]

https://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-oled65r1pua-signature-oled-4k-tv#

its possible

more than possible

flat just looks gross to me

after being on curved for so long

[prime jasper]

Agreed, personally i have 2 27 inch monitors, had to get a mount for my 2nd one since it was so f***ing big on my desk and so long when it extends to the side that i have to move my head so much

[cloud solar]

27 isnt that big imo

id say 32 is

[prime jasper]

32 inches is too big for a gaming monitor imo, 43 is just no

[cloud solar]

i like 32 inch monitors

[prime jasper]

I hope they start making more 1440p monitors at 24 inches and more 4k monitors at 27 inches

[feral summit]

Hi guys my pc specs are gtx 750 ti and intel xeon X5450 6gb ram i know this doesn't meet minimum requirements but can I run battlefield 1 with these parts?

[plain stag]

LG CX/C1 tvs do 4k120

[cloud solar]

i already found one

[plain stag]

Yeah, but oled has real 1-2ms response times

Ips panels cant reach that

Without heavy overclocking, but then you get major ghosting

Or chromatic aberration

[feral summit]

Can anyone help me with this please?

[plain stag]

Maybe on low

Xeons arent good for gaming cuz of their low clock speeds

[cloud solar]

i really need a new monitor

mines kinda garbage

[plain stag]

And a 750ti is well, ancient

[feral summit]

İ think it isn't overclocked

[plain stag]

Even if you oc it

The clock speeds of xeons are low

[plain stag]

Get a M27Q

[cloud solar]

no

[plain stag]

Best 1440p monitor right now

[feral summit]

I'm not good with computers what exactly does overclock mean does it mean it will work better or something?

[cloud solar]

actually

[plain stag]

Yes, overclocking increases performance, because you increase cpu clock speed beyond advertised speeds

[cloud solar]

ill look into it

[plain stag]

But xeons dont overclock that well either

They are server grade cpus

[cloud solar]

1000:1 contrast ratio

no thanks

[plain stag]

Server cpus need more cores rather than clock speeds

[plain stag]

It's an ips panel, what do you expect

[cloud solar]

why are you buying a monitor for 300$ with terrible contrast lmao

[plain stag]

It actually has one of the better contrast ratios than most with over 1000 on average

[feral summit]

Ok thanks for the help!

[plain stag]

Because hardly any ips panel can go beyond 1000:1

Unless i go for super expensive asus monitors

[cloud solar]

why would you buy ips

[plain stag]

If you want 2-3k contrast ratio then buy a VA

Cuz ips has better color accuracy, and they are usually brighter

And they improved enough to have high refresh rates and low response times with zero overshoot with this particular monitor

[cloud solar]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824475024?nm_mc=otc-hatch&cm_mmc=otc-hatch-_-gaming+monitors-_-msi-_-24475024&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-Hatch&AFFID=2879876&AFFNAME=Hatch&ACRID=1&ASUBID=s16276699251758ljwa53055&ASID=&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2879876&ranSiteID=9SHw.8narkE-x6N2ttSjrbbClgGoTDNfuQ

barely more expensive

infinitely better

[plain stag]

170hz with about 9ms average response time

Um

No, not really

That 1ms "advertised" response time that everyone puts is just a marketing gimmick, achieved by overclocking it

With a nice side dish of ghosting applied

Actual response times for ips panels on average are between 8-12ms

For budget monitors

The difference of them being, this msi is curved and its 144hz vs 170hz

It most likely uses a panel from AU Optronics

With very similar response times

[dull solstice]

Overclocking involves increasing the clock speed, measured in MHz or GHz, of a processor in the name of achieving higher performance in games and other software.

CPU, GPU, RAM, and monitor display overclocking are examples of this.

[cloud solar]

if i wanted shitty colors id buy a cheap 100$ monitor

i cant justify 300$ for a monitor that has some of the worst contrast ratios ever

[plain stag]

Even if that msi has like 6 or 7ms of response times, the gigabyte one is the only one that ive seen that has no overshoot or ghosting

But that's literally every other ips panel out therr lol

Even that msi one you linked me

Thats literally the norm for ips panels

VA panels have better contrast ratios of 2k:1

And oled being the best obviously

1000:1 isnt as bad as it sounds, ive got an older dell thats ips

And it looks infinitely better than my even older TN dell thats right next to it

And colors have nothing to do with contrast ratio

[cloud solar]

why are they advertising it as hdr

[plain stag]

Cuz they can get away with it

And because it can interpret an hdr signal

[cloud solar]

and itll look worse than it already does

[plain stag]

The gigabyte monitor is a wide color gamut display with over 90% dci 3p color space and 117% srgb i think

Contrast ratio has nothing to do with how it represents color

[cloud solar]

it has to do with the contrast ik this

but when black is like light grey, its just not ok

[plain stag]

Yes, the difference between bright white and deepest black

But you won't find any budget ips panel with beyond 1000:1 contrast

[plain stag]

i stand corrected, its not the same contrast ratio because its a VA panel

[cloud solar]

you really think i should go with ips?

[plain stag]

tbh, its mostly preference

if you game in a pitch black room, then VA is better

if you game with any light, then hardly any difference really

@cloud solar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8tn9c7ayQ8&list=PL7m5C6_P_lnXb9cHwdo0Ct1TTZ7KUwm3e&index=35&ab_channel=HardwareUnboxed

here's the review of a similar msi model that you sent

i think this is a 2020 model

basically, it has meh response times for 165hz, but as you turn on faster overdrive settings, the response times improve, but so does the overshoot, and you start getting smearing and ghosting, the faster the setting is

and they only get worse if you lower the refresh rate i.e. when adaptive sync is in play

but if you turn off overdrive, then the response time isnt fast enough

[cloud solar]

so is gigabyte any good for monitors?

they look nice but that doesnt mean theyre good

[plain stag]

the particular model that i mentioned is really good

with good response times, and keeping those response time even during adaptive sync gaming

however, i cant find the in-depth review of the msi model that you linked, but i'd say that theres a reason why they went from 165hz from that 2020 model, to 144hz with 2021 model, cuz the VA panel that they use cant keep up with 165hz

[cloud solar]

i literally cant get the type of monitor i want in ips

not even talking about contrast

[plain stag]

there is an M32Q from gigabyte, same panel as the M27Q

and i believe they have a curved version as well

[cloud solar]

why does it have worse response times

[plain stag]

which one?

[cloud solar]

the bigger version

[plain stag]

also, i was incorrect with M27Q response time as well, its not 9ms, its 5ms

but im not sure why the 32 inch has worse response times, it shouldnt, cuz i think they use the same panel from Sharp

[cloud solar]

all of the curved ones are va

[plain stag]

ohhh the curved is VA

i thought it was IPS

okay, well then thats why

[cloud solar]

maybe i should get a flat one

[plain stag]

i mean, i had a curved tv

theres hardly any difference than a flat one

[cloud solar]

curved looks better to me

[plain stag]

im very impressed with M27Q because it keeps the same response times throughout the refresh range from 170 to 60hz, and doing that while having no overshoot or ghosting

[cloud solar]

idk everyone seems to think i have a bad opinion so maybe im wrong on that one

[plain stag]

well curved vs flat is nothing more than preference

i can only tell you from my viewing experience, that i dont feel any more or less immersed when i watched tv on a curved or flat panel

[cloud solar]

is the fi32q any good

[plain stag]

aorus models are not worth

as they literally use the same panel

they cost too much for negligible performance increase

[cloud solar]

should i go for 27 or 32

i just realized how huge 32 is

[plain stag]

i will go for 27

its enough for me

btw, if you are interested to see an in depth review of 27q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNIqwxAZ-MQ&list=PL7m5C6_P_lnXb9cHwdo0Ct1TTZ7KUwm3e&index=15&t=863s&ab_channel=HardwareUnboxed

[cloud solar]

im gonna do 32

[plain stag]

and you pretty much set the monitor once and thats it

while the rest, you have to fiddle with settings to get the best possible experience for every scenario

[cloud solar]

i still dont get how they can say its hdr ready

how does hdr look on it

does it look bad

[plain stag]

yes

[cloud solar]

overly dark probably

[plain stag]

only the very highest end monitors are hdr capable

its "hdr ready" because it knows when it receives an hdr signal, and thats it

firstly, its doesnt have high enough brightness to display hdr content

and there are no local dimming zones either

[atomic jackal]

is the corsair h100x worth it?

its relatively cheap but i dont know if its effective

[kindred vessel]

Yes

I got it and it’s pretty good for what the cost is

[plain stag]

arctic liquid freezer II is also a great option

also quite cheap for the performance

one of the highest if not the highest price to performance ratios on the market atm

[storm osprey]

arctic liquid freezer ii gang gratata

[plain stag]

yep yep!

[atomic jackal]

has only 2 fans tho?

[plain stag]

they have a 240mm, 280mm, 360mm, and a 420mm option

[atomic jackal]

yeah the corsair option has 3 fans on 240m

I don't want to go too high

[plain stag]

well, it cant have 3 fans

unless they use 3 80mm fans

which im sure they dont

the standard fan size is 120mm

so you cant fit 3 120mm fans on a 240mm rad

[atomic jackal]

well ok then so which one is better

arctic or corsair

[plain stag]

you can look up some reviews

review of that corsair

and review of arctic

i am very happy with my 360mm arctic

my idle is 40c

[atomic jackal]

so will i have to remove the front fans on my case for those coolers

since most have it facing towards the front

[plain stag]

you can mount it on the top

if you have that option in your case

[atomic jackal]

yeah my top is also mesh

also has dust filter

[plain stag]

well, according to specs on asus website, you cant mount radiators on top, only fans

possibly due to clearance issues

but you probably dont need to remove front fans either

you can make a push pull configuration

[atomic jackal]

hmm

push pull?

[plain stag]

one side of the rad is pushing air from the front, other side of the rad fans are pulling air in

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Gaming-Cases/TUF-Gaming/TUF-Gaming-GT301/techspec/

radiator support (front, back) there is no top

so officially you cant put a rad on top

holes most likely exist to mount the rad, but its quite possible that clearance isnt high enough

so thats why they dont list official rad support on top

[atomic jackal]

yeah its listed as 2x 120mm

[atomic jackal]

so will it be effective?

and will it cause more heat or something

[plain stag]

2x120mm is for fans only

on top

well, its liquid cooling, so you have a lot more thermal capacity

in side of the case will be slightly warmer

cuz you will have to put it on top

[atomic jackal]

so the fans on the front are preinstalled?

like they come with the case?

[plain stag]

or you can do the other way

and exhaust on the front

and make only positive presure

[quick locust]

https://youtu.be/9kO6Dj2XNfY

[plain stag]

so you dont have any intakes, but only exhaust

thats positive pressure setup

[atomic jackal]

why would the fan need an intake to begin with?

[plain stag]

well you need fresh air coming in the system

[atomic jackal]

isnt it supposed to pull the air out

[plain stag]

to have cool air inside

[atomic jackal]

welp, i forgot that

so will i have any benefits from a push and pull config?

[plain stag]

you will move more air that way

and dissipate heat faster

its good to have a balanced setup

i have 3 fans on the front pulling in fresh air

liquid cooler on top, exhausting heat

and one 120mm fan in the back exhausting heat

but an all positive setup isnt that bad either

its better than full negative setup, where you have every fan pulling air in the case

[atomic jackal]

well yeah the 3 fans on the front of my case seem to be pulling air as well

because theyre not exhausting

[plain stag]

so you actually told the SI which parts you want

and they built it?

[atomic jackal]

yeah

[plain stag]

well, so far, you chose a meh case

and you stayed on a stock cooler

you should have asked your friends for help maybe

if they know more about pcs

[atomic jackal]

i mean it was the best case i could find on the site others didnt have vents on the top or back

so

[plain stag]

they could have prob built you a more practical system

thats a yikes

[atomic jackal]

that is true

i feel like i rushed buying it

[plain stag]

especially when you arent familiar with pcs

it took me about a month building my pc

[atomic jackal]

but my dad kept refusing buying one and when he finally accepted i wanted to get one asap before he changed his mind again

as this happened last year as well

[plain stag]

i knew what i wanted, and i had a budget in mind

so i researched the parts that i wanted initially, and then i found better alternatives

[atomic jackal]

so is my case bad, or is it usable

[plain stag]

its not bad

its just okay

at least you have decent airflow

unlike most budget cases, where they have a closed front panel, and they put useless rgb fans

that pull air from nowhere

[atomic jackal]

i wonder if i removed the tempered glass will it have better airflow

or will it not matter at all

[plain stag]

well yeah

but you will have a lot more dust getting in the system

so i dont recommend

[atomic jackal]

but i also risk dust

yeah

was going to say that

[plain stag]

look at some reviews of that case

see if someone put a rad on top maybe

see how other people put AIO's in it

and what are their temps

[atomic jackal]

most people say dont put it on top

a guy managed to get it on top with some thin fans

but i doubt it will fit for me

[plain stag]

not surprising when they dont officially list it either way

[atomic jackal]

the fact that my gpu is quite thick wont help me putting it on the front as well

will my gpu obscure the liquid cooler fan?

sent you a pic of the front by the way

well seeing these, i think i cant really mount a 240mm liquid cooling on this case

[plain stag]

you will have to measure it

you have specs on arctic website

showing you rad thickness and fan thickness

but also, arctic uses thicker rads than standard, thats why their performance is better

you can probably fit it, but not in a push pull configuration

so you can probably remove the top and middle fan, and leave the bottom fan, that might fit

while putting top and middle fan on top of the case

[slow tulip]

normal to be getting 70fps with a 3080 at 1440p? playing rt on

[near rune]

Rt on?

[dull solstice]

Potentially. Not sure.

[atomic jackal]

guys

my gpu has a performance and quiet mode switch on it

but do i have to turn the pc off

in order to switch it to performance

[atomic jackal]

like literally on the card

[toxic zealot]

What game

[dull solstice]

If I had to guess, BFV given RTX is in use and this server.

[slow tulip]

Yes BFV sorry

[marsh gull]

guys is the ryzen 5 3600x or 5 5600 better for an rtx 3060/3060ti?

[dull solstice]

The 5600 is part of the newer, improved architecture. Notably better single and multi-core perf.

[marsh gull]

so 5600?

[dull solstice]

Are you able to find better within your budget?

[marsh gull]

If I take the ryzen 5 5600 it will be tight

[dull solstice]

Hmm...What all else are you attempting to buy for this machine?

[marsh gull]

wdym?

[dull solstice]

Compnent-wise, what else are you trying to buy to include in the final PC?

System RAM, SSD, any spare HDDs, a power supply, or otherwise would be among that.

[marsh gull]

i've already got 32gb of ram and a 1tb m.2 ssd in my old pc, gonna buy a 500w evga psu, an MSI B550M PRO-VDH WIFI Micro ATX mobo and the phanteks p360a case

[dull solstice]

Okay, good. However, I would aim for a better PSU. Never skimp on those like Dell prebuilds can.

What GPU did your prior system have? The 3060?

[marsh gull]

oh actually lmao on pcpartpicker the 600w evga psu is cheaper than the 500w one

[marsh gull]

gtx 1650 super

i dont have my new system but im planning and researching carefully to make sure I get the right components

[dull solstice]

I see. Hm.

Look into getting one with at least 600W if not more, as well as a decent 80+ rating if aiming for the 3060.

[marsh gull]

im more aiming for the rtx 3060 ti

[marsh gull]

i don't understand the system wattage is rated for 300 w

[dull solstice]

Yes, but NVIDIA recommends a minimum PSU wattage of 600W for the 3060 Ti. The CPU may be fine with just 300W, but manufacturers recommend so much more for the GPUs so that the card has some room for if it spikes in wattage use under load.

[toxic zealot]

300w for cpu

is like

32 core tr

[marsh gull]

ok got that thx

I changed to a 600w

[plain stag]

Actually, power supply on dell prebuilts are one of the best components that they put lol

Which is surprising tbh

[dry pike]

Still proprietary and thus crappy investments though

For regular users at least.

[plain stag]

Oh no doubt

[fair grail]

hey guys does anyone know an actual fix for connection problems udp 3965 thing? ive tried ones on the ea site and none of them works

[molten bramble]

Nope.

If those solutions don't work, then it's either likely unresolved or something specific to your configuration.

[latent light]

Get Battlefield 2042 for free when you buy a WD Black SN850 1TB SSD (PCIe 4.0)

Looks like it works for the SN750 too

[quick locust]

so few ports

[latent light]

PS4 is basically freeBSD with Sony's own distro on it, so you can run hack it pretty easy

"pC hAs MoRe HaCkErS"

[quick locust]

yeah orbis O

OS

you used to be able to run linux officially on 2 and 3

[plain stag]

What a super low end motherboard

Or its some proprietary crap from dell lol

[latent light]

https://shop.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-black-sn750-se-nvme-battlefield-bundle-ssd

[storm osprey]

thats a hell of a deal

wait nvm, thought it was 1tb

its a decent deal

[latent light]

It is 1TB

1TB for even the SN750

Which is a cheaper PCIe3 drive

[storm osprey]

1tb is 180 bucks

500gb is 115 bucks

[latent light]

Wait that's PCIe4

[storm osprey]

its a good deal for the savings on the ssd, but for most its gonna go to waste

[midnight crypt]

Theyre just manipulating the comp lobby scoring not really cheating

[quick locust]

its a hp omen board

[molten coral]

How is that not ''cheating''?

[storm osprey]

not cheating like making other peoples gameplay miserable, but just changing the data to have good stats?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owz_qyqsRKw @molten coral @supple bane

[molten coral]

Based

[supple bane]

So tru

[quaint topaz]

G502 best

I don't want to trigger trypophobia by looking at my mouse thank you

[proud trellis]

are cooler master AIO'S good ?

[sharp flicker]

yeah, mostly

what size aio are you looking at?

[proud trellis]

its for a friend who wants to get one but he doesnt really know if they are good and i dont know either, he wants a 240mm AIO

[quick locust]

Most AIOs just use same asetek pump and very similar design

[sharp flicker]

Arctic aio's usually have the best bang for your buck, there isn't much difference in the internals, pretty much comes down to fans and stuff, you can switch out the fans though

https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Liquid-Freezer-All-One/dp/B07WSDLRVP/ref=asc_df_B07WSDLRVP/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=385191927323&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=551640453058017896&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031297&hvtargid=pla-837029689325&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=82240853001&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=385191927323&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=551640453058017896&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031297&hvtargid=pla-837029689325

[proud trellis]

see i said arctic do good AIO's but im not sure if they do white ones ?

i have only found black ones

[sharp flicker]

i could've swore i saw a white arctic

mightve been custom spray painted tho

[dry pike]

I had one, the 3 fans began rattling rather quick, got 3 replacement fans and they did the same. The hub it cam with had trash firmware and barely worked. In short, I didn't like my CM AIO and now I no longer have it.

[proud trellis]

they do white stock coolers which i said why dont u just get a stock cooler but he wants to get an AIO

[proud trellis]

ahhhh

[storm osprey]

95% of aios are actually from asetek btw

[sharp flicker]

yeah

[storm osprey]

ah i see this was glossed over already

of course ice wants a white aio...

[proud trellis]

mee

i dont want it

[storm osprey]

then who?!

[proud trellis]

a friend

lol

[storm osprey]

you need new friends

[proud trellis]

i was just wondering if cooler master AIO's are worth getting or is there better AIO'S out there

[sharp flicker]

lol

[proud trellis]

[sharp flicker]

i prefer arctic ones

i've used them before

[storm osprey]

https://linustechtips.com/topic/891730-cpu-cooler-performance-tier-list/

just cross reference prices with tier

[proud trellis]

basically he is getting an i7-10700f and he was told that that cpu gets really hot apprently....idek if its true so he wants to get a AIO and not a stock cooler so he can get the coolest temps

[storm osprey]

well 10700f doesnt come with a stock cooler

[proud trellis]

i said to get a stock cooler but he wants a AIO

[storm osprey]

but its not like hes OC either

i imagine any decent 240mm aio will cool a 10700f

[supple bane]

i would say not to bother with a 10700f since you cant overclock it

id say go for a hyper 212 or something similar

[proud trellis]

its just a big cluster fuck tbh

[supple bane]

maybe dark rock 4. idk how expensive they are tbh

[storm osprey]

while i will agree that an aio isnt a necessity, i wouldnt get a 212 for a 10700f

[dry pike]

"Quality, aesthetics, acoustics, and ease of installation arent accounted for."
Kinda useless in my book, I don't want an AIO that's the best while sounding like an air-horn. Noise normalized performance charts plz.

[supple bane]

its a 65w chip nyphon 0_o

more than enough for a 10700f

[proud trellis]

idek why he is getting a i7 tbh lol

[storm osprey]

my 10700kf isnt OC right now and with a 240 arctic liquid freezer ii my in games temps are about 65c

it is a warm chip

[supple bane]

yes

because the 10700kf has a higher tdp than the regular f

10700kf is 125, thats about double the 10700f

[proud trellis]

nyphon your an arctic lover

do they do white AIO'S ?

or is it only black coolers they do

[supple bane]

what gpu does your friend have ?

[proud trellis]

well he is building a new pc because his current one just died last night and its old, he wants to get the 10700f with a 3060ti

[supple bane]

decent pairing

[storm osprey]

im pretty sure ive seen a white arctic aio but i think it was a limited deal

[supple bane]

id still say just get a white tower cooler 🤷‍♂️

plenty of those around

a 240mm rad is really overkill on a 65w non overclockable chip

[proud trellis]

i said this, but he is determined to get an AIO for some reason

[storm osprey]

probably for the looks

[supple bane]

well, let him waste his money then i guess 🤷‍♂️

for looks yeah i guess

but arctic coolers dont look good

[proud trellis]

i recommended that white arctic cooler

https://www.amazon.co.uk/ARCTIC-Freezer-eSports-DUO-Dissipation/dp/B08256CBBX/ref=asc_df_B08256CBBX/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=422304257959&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=2734033954916609953&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045514&hvtargid=pla-884623175231&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=94687644862&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=422304257959&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=2734033954916609953&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045514&hvtargid=pla-884623175231

[storm osprey]

id say aios in general look better than air coolers

[proud trellis]

this

[supple bane]

i kinda like how big beefy aircoolers look tbh

[storm osprey]

gross

[proud trellis]

would you guys even recommend him getting a i7, he doesnt really play games that are that demanding i dont think

[storm osprey]

id only say acoustics are a real concern in that scenario, well of course quality is as well but thats kind of a hard thing to account for in this scenario.

[supple bane]

an i5 10400f is still more than enough for a 3060ti

[storm osprey]

depends on resolution mostly

[proud trellis]

he plays 1080p

[storm osprey]

1080p, no get a 5600x

[proud trellis]

i said why dont u get a 5600x but i dont think he replied on it

[storm osprey]

idk price differences there, but normally the mb is cheaper here for amd so it equals out if a 10700 was cheaper

[storm osprey]

well tell him random people on the internet that definitely know more than he does says he should get a 5600x for 1080p gaming

[proud trellis]

lol

[storm osprey]

i mean, there are caveats like streaming or production

but we need to know all that stuff to give a full answer

[proud trellis]

a 5600x will be able to handle streaming though surely ?

[storm osprey]

yea

most things are about tradoffs

[proud trellis]

he does stream but its every few weeks

not daily or weekly

[storm osprey]

10700 would be worse at 1080p by a decent margin, but "more future proof" because of core count

but then amd has a better upgrade path

but who upgrades a cpu often?

so yea.. just depends

[proud trellis]

i mean his other pc he has had for like 4 years now i think he said

he is only upgrading because his GPU died or something

i dont know the full story tbh

[storm osprey]

for all we know hes buying prebuilt

[proud trellis]

no he said he is building it himself

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/

this is what i said would be alright. would you say so ?

he already has storage and ram from his old pc

[storm osprey]

canada?

[proud trellis]

yh

[storm osprey]

for canada 10700f is 340 and 5600x is 330...

for 1080p 5600s is the clear choice between those 2

10400 for 209 would be the budget choice

[proud trellis]

whats the age difference between the 2 cpus ?

[storm osprey]

wait...

you didnt give me the perma link

[proud trellis]

wha

[proud trellis]

shit

[storm osprey]

you gave me the /list link which just takes me to my last list i made

[proud trellis]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/kx3PCz

ahahahahaa

my bad

yeah

they will run BF games

[storm osprey]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/QhfwW3

save 100 bucks, forgo cpu cooler since its good enough for 5600x, afaik the only concern would be acoustics, if he doesnt like it then easily swap it later

micro atx is cheaper and unless someone REALLY wants extra pcie (hardly anyone) it will cover needs

cheapest good case you can get with fans

cheaper, same quality psu

[fallen harbor]

one year and a half i think

good enough for what settings?

1080p and 60fps? 1080p and 120fps? 4k and 60fps? 4k and 120fps? etc

[plain stag]

Well a 5600x will certainly be enough

[fallen harbor]

more than enough if he wants 1080 and 60fps, thus a waste

[plain stag]

It's only a matter of time before they release specs for 2042 and we see where the 3060ti falls

Maybe he has a high refresh rate 1080p monitor

[fallen harbor]

“maybe”

thats what im asking them

[plain stag]

3060ti will prob be enough for 1080p120

[fallen harbor]

whats your point

[plain stag]

You said its a waste

Why would it be a waste

[fallen harbor]

because if he has a 60hz and 1080p monitor and doesnt plan on investing into a better one, he wont make full use of those specs

it's enough, probably a bit more than enough. If the 5600x is too expensive you could go for a 3600 and still will most likely reach 120fps I pressume. Although ofc it's impossible to tell since the game hasn't been out yet

I'd personally get a 5600x only if I planned to get a 3080, not a 3060ti

np

[quick locust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Np1HnWiHb4

I need a NAS but never decided on one..

[supple bane]

could just build one for ultimate nerd 🤷‍♂️

[quick locust]

could

[supple bane]

cheap motherboard and cpu with onboard graphics, 8gb ram, 128gb boot drive and how much hdd space you want

[quick locust]

better than the synology spam that is here i guess