technology

[plain stag]

mind if you can post it wilde?

[light wave]

Sure can.

[quaint sleet]

next build is gonna be a micro pc no rgb (maybe a lil bit) and as passive cooled as possible

[arctic crag]

200% agree

No rgb

[plain stag]

Wilde coming in hot with my pic

[light wave]

Rajta's PC.

[plain stag]

i swear its set to purple

the phone makes them blue

also dont look at that gpu xD

its not a real gpu

[arctic crag]

Looks neat

[light wave]

Man that pump is chunky

[plain stag]

would have been nice if i got arctic's 360 rgb rad

[light wave]

Sweet rig though.

[plain stag]

yeah, its big

it has a vrm fan that does something

its not completely useless xD

[plain stag]

thanks ^^

[molten coral]

[light wave]

My eyes are pleased.

Those 4 slots of ram being full brings bliss to my soul.

[molten coral]

32GB

I just went with 32GB as I wanted to fill all the slots

[light wave]

I'm 32 gig dual channel

Thinking about getting dummy sticks

[molten coral]

Could have done 4x4 but the price wasn't that different

[quaint sleet]

oh thats right i cant post pics

epic

[light wave]

Also, another pic from Rajta.

[molten coral]

Fun thing is I paid 400 euro for RAM alone

[storm osprey]

RGB 🤮

[plain stag]

looking much better now with the flash turned on

[quaint sleet]

why did you paid 400 euro for RAM alone

[light wave]

There is never enough RGB.

[storm osprey]

im like, anti rgb

[light wave]

GSkill quality, I guess

[plain stag]

also that aorus drive looks funny

the bronze heatspreader

[arctic crag]

Speaking of anti rgb I have a perfect pic for that

Can I dm

[storm osprey]

based arctic cooler though

[molten coral]

Because in 2017 there was a huge problem with RAM supplies all over the world

[storm osprey]

send it ma

[molten coral]

So DDR4 sticks were super expensive at that time

[quaint sleet]

in 2017 i was chillin wid 32gb of ddr3 lol

[storm osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Nyphon/builds/#view=GqJbt6

[plain stag]

@light wave now imagine with this instead of the regular liquid freezer

https://www.arctic.de/en/Liquid-Freezer-II-360-A-RGB/ACFRE00101A

[storm osprey]

aw sad

@arctic crag

[plain stag]

literally 2 or 3 weeks before i bought mine

[light wave]

Looks sweet, except for the weird pump

[arctic crag]

It’s not mine lol

[storm osprey]

oh lol

[plain stag]

and i cant return it cuz i already mounted this rad 😦

[arctic crag]

I have rgb sadly

[plain stag]

yeah, thanks to asetek patent

other manufacturers need to come up with designs of their own

and also its like that cuz of that vrm fan too

but its really good for ryzen builds

cuz it has a square IHS

instead of a circular design

[plain stag]

eyyyy, another liquid freezer, lets gooo

thats also a weird choice for a motherboard

[storm osprey]

whys that?

[plain stag]

i believe that gigabyte model is their low end part

[alpine haven]

😄

[plain stag]

depends which chipset it is tho

[quaint sleet]

it work dho

[arctic crag]

Yeah it looks like it

[plain stag]

its an okay motherboard, you just wont get much overclocking from it

[quaint sleet]

do ryzen even overclock anymore?

[plain stag]

yes

[storm osprey]

micro gaming x is not good

[light wave]

Overclocking isn't even really that worth anymore.

[arctic crag]

But with rgb you get 40% fps increase

[plain stag]

i know

[quaint sleet]

10% maybe

[alpine haven]

Is this a spreadsheet for ants?

[plain stag]

but i'd rather have all 6 of my 5600x cores run at 4.6ghz instead of one core running at that frequency

[wintry prairie]

[light wave]

Had a friend snag himself a 5900x platinum sample

[storm osprey]

from everything i found on my mb it can handle OC from 10900k just fine, and im using a 10700k

[light wave]

God I wish that was me.

[arctic crag]

Also gaming chairs give you 80% fps increase

[plain stag]

i got an average 5600x

[plain stag]

cant go beyond 4.6

unless i apply an unreasonable amount of voltage to go to 4.65

[arctic crag]

I saw that on Reddit lol

[light wave]

The 5800x I've got pushed 5.05 max

[plain stag]

damn

[storm osprey]

why would you get an auros for a 5600x?

[molten coral]

my setup: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2wWCTJ

[plain stag]

cuz it was on a sale

its an aorus elite

[storm osprey]

not that OC for 5600x, or any recent cpu is that good anyway

[plain stag]

so its not the high end aorus

[molten bramble]

I'm upset it is not orange.

[molten coral]

ew orange

oh wait

[latent light]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/sapphire-outs-100w-compact-cpu-cooler-for-amd-am4-cpus

[molten coral]

[latent light]

Looks like their Nitro GPUs

[plain stag]

the motherboard was like 165e

when i bought it

so i was like, eh why not

regular price was like 250e

[light wave]

That's a suspiciously good deal.

[plain stag]

yeah it was xD

maybe not 250e, i might be remembering wrong, but it was above 200e for sure

while anything lower end, or a b550 was like 120e

so i opted for x570 for an extra gen 4 m.2 and more usbs

and better vrm too

[arctic crag]

Gigabyte is good choice

[plain stag]

i might upgrade to a 5900x later

or get a zen 3 refresh

if it ends up worth it, but prob not

[storm osprey]

i got my mb for like 70 bucks off because of black friday

[plain stag]

and considering that am4 is at the end of its lifespan

[storm osprey]

how often do you upgrade?

[light wave]

OC's are not worth it, and you can push some decent clocks even with a B550.

[arctic crag]

Mate with 5600x you’re easily set for the next 5 years

[storm osprey]

ehhh maybe

we had like 5 years of 4c8t being the golden standard

[plain stag]

last time, 6 years ago xDD

[storm osprey]

we are arguably 2 years into 6c12t being the golden standard

[plain stag]

but yeah

b550 was like 140e

the deal only lasted like 3 days

otherwise i would have gotten a b550

[arctic crag]

It’s funny how the i3 is 4c 8t

Remember i7 6th/7th gen

[storm osprey]

dark days

[arctic crag]

if it wasn’t for AMD we might have stucked in there lol

[molten coral]

Competition is good

[arctic crag]

Competition makes companies works on themselves

[plain stag]

@light wave you know what sucks with this and every other gigabyte/aorus motherboard, RGB Fusion 2.0

the program is complete ass

it feels like it was made in 2008, and was never updated

[plain stag]

yeah, probably, i was good with a 6600k for 6 years

but i might do some stuff in the future thats gonna require extra cores

i bought 5600x purely for gaming

i also got flck to be 2000, so i can run 1:1 with my ram, which is a 4000mhz kit

[arctic crag]

Is it stable?

[plain stag]

its not super low latency, its cl18, but i didnt want to break the bank with samsung B die

yep

i didnt even have to touch the voltage for it to be stable

[arctic crag]

I hear anything beyond 3600 isn’t quite stable

[latent light]

AMD AM5 LGA1718

[plain stag]

it was an issue in the beginning

[arctic crag]

Legit?

[plain stag]

fclk of 2000 was pretty much impossible to get

but after a few bios updates, they significantly stabilized it

by the time i bought this pc, enough bios updates released for it to be completely stable in my case

or i might have just gotten a cpu with a great memory controller

[arctic crag]

I honestly just use the xmp just to avoid unnecessary headache

[plain stag]

yep

my xmp is 4000 mhz

but had to set fclk to make it run 1:1

[arctic crag]

Those who overclock have a good free time and patience

[plain stag]

it was pretty painless in my case

[arctic crag]

Especially for the ram

[plain stag]

took me like 30 minutes to an hour

[arctic crag]

Hahaha

[plain stag]

i thought i would have trouble running flck 2000

but nope, i set it and that was it, worked fine

even with all core oc, it still remained stable

i mean, i got stable 4,6ghz immediately

i put like 1.4v

[arctic crag]

Did you get a lot from it?

[plain stag]

and then i started decreasing the voltage

i mean, my current gpu is an hd 7770 xD

so i cant tell you how much fps it gained me in any game

[arctic crag]

Damn

[plain stag]

but when i get a proper gpu ill test the out of the box experience

and oc

and i might try per core overclocking as well

to overclock my two best cores as much as i can

[arctic crag]

Good luck

[plain stag]

i think my current voltage is 1.256

but even with like 1.42v i couldnt go past 4.6 ghz

i think i got 4.65 at 1.42v, and thats obviously not worth it

so i went down the voltage stack to find the last stable voltage

VGet is 1.256v if i remember correctly, and VSet is 1.244v

@proud trellis right, i just remembered, you can see your fan speed in HWMonitor as well

[cloud solar]

anyone got headphone recommendations? specifically for music and gaming with dolby atmos?

id like to keep it under 350 too if thats doable

also no headsets

[marsh gull]

i recommend the razer blackshark v2

[proud trellis]

thats a headset

[magic gust]

Can i ask a tech question related to Battlefield in general?

This person is unable to play Battlefield games. It says the tick rate/latency isn't high enough to play online yet they can play any other game online

[lofty light]

What game are they trying to play?

[magic gust]

BF1 and BF4

[lofty light]

What's their ping to the servers?

Unless they're on some weird VPN then the latency can't be too low

[magic gust]

Well they said its 16 ping on BF1 and from 180 to 340 on BF4 but they play on their own continent/country

[magic gust]

Ill ask them

[lofty light]

That ping in BF4 is high enough that they'd get kicked for ping yeah

But bf1 should be fine

[magic gust]

Well they said all games worked fine couple months ago but they suddenly all stopped working

[lofty light]

It's something with their internet then

[magic gust]

Ill let them know

Thx

[cloud solar]

fuck nvidia

thats all

why do i have to sign in to use geforce experience

stupid ass company

[proud trellis]

i forgot my login to it lol

[lofty light]

Just don't use GeForce experience

I legit don't install it when I update my driver's

[molten bramble]

I've only had it mess up once.

That's in like, I dunno, maybe five years of using it?

[storm osprey]

yea i just dont use it

well actually i installed it recently to try the gameplay clip part of it

[cloud solar]

can anyone tell me about the odyssey g5 from samsung?

i kinda wanna get it but idk if its good for the price

[storm osprey]

basically a product to show how much money you got to spend

[cloud solar]

its only 330

1440p 144hz

so it doesnt seem too bad for the price

[storm osprey]

hmm, what am i thinking of?

theres some samsung monitor thats like 1k

[cloud solar]

thats the g9

the stupid long one

[lofty light]

The double width one

The screen I'd want is those 3440x1440 at 280Hz ones or whatever they are

With IPS and G-SYNC 2

[cloud solar]

anyone? is it good? is the hdr good or bad?

thats what i wanna know the most

[storm osprey]

look up a hardwareunboxed video

or go to rtings

i dont think any monitor is really good for HDR though

[cloud solar]

alright ty

[storm osprey]

granted, i think hdr is bad in windows itself

[cloud solar]

i heard the g7 is one of the few monitors with decent hdr so i wanted to know if the g5 had it good too

[storm osprey]

rtings says no

[cloud solar]

alright

i dont really need hdr anyways

[storm osprey]

normally peak brightness isnt good enough

one day i hope lg makes an oled monitor

[molten bramble]

Huh? That monitor is like eight hundred bucks. What are you looking at?

Ah, the G5, not the G9.

[storm osprey]

lol same thing i did

[molten bramble]

LOL I was like wtf, tell me where and I'm buying it now.

😄

[cloud solar]

honestly i might just get it simply bc its 1440p and 144hz

[storm osprey]

there a lot of 1440p 144hz options though

[cloud solar]

for the same price and size?

[storm osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPqOfTnU2j4

[molten bramble]

The only reason I haven't gotten a widescreen monitor is because my real estate is larger than that monitor. I have three 27" curved monitors in a continuous arc. If Samsung can come up with a monitor that matches that, I'll buy it tomorrow.

[storm osprey]

HWU did this video a couple of weeks ago

[cloud solar]

no

the answer is no

[storm osprey]

sorry i didnt know there was a 32" for 330

[cloud solar]

i might go for the g3 actually, its way cheaper, and the contrast ratio is way better

only 1080p and flat but thats ok

just until i can get the g7

itll make a good secondary monitor later on i think

[humble breach]

i have 34" ultra wide and its the best thing i ever bought

second is good speakers

i mean 300$ at least for speakers

[dull solstice]

Did you know that there is a way to extend the life and more importantly performance of some older, Windows XP-targeting games? Albeit at your own risk.

[lofty light]

No need to get good speakers if you have good headphones

[alpine anvil]

Extend the life of Windows XP games?
I'm confused and curious at this

[digital hill]

Me with good sounding headphones but has a cost of being uncomfortable when worn for long periods of times

[lofty light]

You can always get both 🤷‍♀️

[digital hill]

I do have both

[dull solstice]

https://ntcore.com/?page_id=371

It is a tool that allows x86 applications to be able to recognize and have access to a full 4GB of virtual memory, as opposed to just 2GB.

Most 32-bit games—especially those targeting Windows XP—would have only had 2GB of available system memory to detect and use, with the rest saved for the OS. On 64-bit systems, these pieces of software can now have access to up to 4GB of system memory to detect and use, provided one sets a flag in the executable to make it Large Address-Aware, or LAA.

This tool is a simple patcher that can be used to retroactively set that flag and expose more memory to the software. It is a required thing for Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas modding, as one specific example of a use case where this applies.

Please be aware that it it not needed for some games, and is not needed for any Source engine game released using Source 2009 (MINERVA, E.Y.E., et cetera) or newer.

[quick locust]

https://youtu.be/fDqOYXfwiik

[quick locust]

Pretty decent

Reminds how much power has gone up each gen

GTX 1080 was 180W with 450W recommended psu

Now the low end is 160W

GTX 980 was 165W

[dull solstice]

My guess is that the 6600 is meant to be Cali compliant and serve as a budget architectural upgrade to existing 6GB and 8GB card owners.

[prime jasper]

6600 XT performance is quite good

[dull solstice]

Indeed. It is a novel upgrade for holdouts on several-year old builds, and possibly represents something loosely akin to the Maxwell architecture cards NVIDIA had.

[cloud solar]

i hope nvidia learns from amd with their next gen cards

specifically with vram

they seemed to show that theyre taking notes with the 3060 having 12gb of vram

funny how the ti version only has 8 lmao

[dull solstice]

Oh, yes, Dedicated GPU Memory/VRAM. A truly defining factor in the ability to handle all of a game's assets, especially as the opportunity to preload becomes more realistic.

[cloud solar]

maybe theyll do a refresh of the base cards with more vram

who knows

[dull solstice]

Otherwise, some other feature or performance thing will be used to market them.

I remember my experiences with attempting to handle the World War 3 Early Access build, which was notorious for using up quite a lot and causing 4GB cards to buckle and crash, other issues aside.

Still enjoyed it, though, even if its Warzone mode (Think Conquest, but with linked Objectives needed to score points and a Battle Points system for vehicles and other things) could not be joined for long.

[cloud solar]

maybe with the launch of the 6600xt amd will try to ramp up production of its other cards

i really wanna get my hands on a 6900xt if possible

[dull solstice]

As do I, although I have other concerns at the moment.

[quick locust]

The Cali rules are only about idle power consumption and only in prebuilts

It's not about load wattage

[dull solstice]

It was a slight joke.

[cloud solar]

how close do you guys think ddr5 is?

[quick locust]

Later this year

[cloud solar]

really?

[dull solstice]

Two years in terms of market spread.

[quick locust]

With alder lake

AMD a bit later, they have to change socket first

[cloud solar]

they cant even make chips and theyre going to try and push out a new type of ram

[dull solstice]

It was planned before the thing.

[quick locust]

Yeah long before

[cloud solar]

that doesnt mean they cant replan things

[quick locust]

Pcie 5 is soon as well

[cloud solar]

pcie 4 just got here

[dull solstice]

With PCIe 6 being even more interesting than 5.

[cloud solar]

why even own a pc

[quick locust]

I know

But pcie 5 might be on alder

[cloud solar]

ill just throw it outside since ill have to get new parts every month

[quick locust]

Not really

[dull solstice]

Too bad. Moar bandwidth and other capabilities.

[cloud solar]

ill switch to console if this is the case

[quick locust]

You should've seen the 80s and 90s then

[dull solstice]

Shibe would probably just own an Amiga or some other stalwart machine in those days.

[quick locust]

With 5 and 6 you can also do nvlink over pcie

Without the connector

[cloud solar]

how the hell does pcie 6 exist without 5

why even buy new parts

itll just get replaced in a week

[quick locust]

It's just a standard

It'll be a while before it gets used really

By consumers

[cloud solar]

by the time you get your hands on 5 theyll have like pcie 9 or whatever

[quick locust]

And not really, for a long time it was just stagnated

Cause AMD and others did horrible

And most ran fine enough

[cloud solar]

so i should wait over a year to upgrade my pc bc my new parts will suck in a few months anyways?

[quick locust]

No

It's just how it is

Otherwise you'd be waiting forever

[dull solstice]

Hey, it is just a bandwidth standard.

DDR5 is more important right now, unless you really want to see how PCIe 5.0 will be leveraged.

[cloud solar]

that was my point earlier

[quick locust]

My 8700K is 4 years old now, but it still does well enough despite there being better cpus

You don't need to upgrade constantly

[cloud solar]

i just want them to make the parts that they announced before making different ones

[quick locust]

They do

People just buy everything up rn

[cloud solar]

the 3000 series cards barely exist and they will probably announce the 4000 series later this year

at least thats what ive heard

[quick locust]

They can't change that

They're selling all cards that they're producing

Same with consoles

PS5 is Sony's most selling launch

[cloud solar]

where/when can i buy a 6900xt

that is all i need to know

like do we know when certain sites get stock?

[quick locust]

There's some forums that keep track of that

[supple bane]

there is that discords server that nyphon is always shilling

stock drops or something

[cloud solar]

yeah and it sucks

[quick locust]

There's some stock of them in my country

[supple bane]

its supposedly how he got his card

[quick locust]

Mostly Nvidia though

[supple bane]

theres decent stock here too now. but its all overpriced

at least last i checked there was

ok i take that back.

the only things in stock are the 3090 and the 3070ti in the big retailer here

[cloud solar]

they claim theyll fix the stock issue this year

amd

[quick locust]

No, AMD said at least next year

But AMD is not a manufacturer

[cloud solar]

promising

they will break that promise i think

[quick locust]

They're not a manufacturer

And they're selling everything

[cloud solar]

they make the reference cards

[quick locust]

No

They design them

[cloud solar]

ok whatever

im done talking to you

[supple bane]

AFAIK sapphire manufactures the pcb for amd reference cards

[cloud solar]

idc as long as they make more

or i will buy one scalped

[quick locust]

They can't make more, they're already at max

There's shortage on everything

[dry pike]

Great CPU. Was nice of AMD to force Intel to finally make a 6 core consumer chip 😄

[quick locust]

Indeed

[toxic zealot]

intel is gonna change

their new ceo might be competent actually

[light wave]

I'll believe it when I see it.

[quick locust]

Yeah, but it will take a while

[toxic zealot]

amd and intel have to keep watch on arm tho

arm is getting super fast

[quick locust]

They are

Intel is about to be a fab for Qualcomm

[toxic zealot]

servers already use arm over amd and intel

or rather supercomputers

[quick locust]

And they are going to use RISC-V themselves quite a bit

After their partnerships with SiFive

[toxic zealot]

my question is

can risc-v arm or whatever beat desktop cpus

[quick locust]

Yeah

[toxic zealot]

and if then when by how much and can windows run this ( linux doesnt matter )

[quick locust]

Windows suck on it

[toxic zealot]

ye

but 99% apps are windows exclusive

[quick locust]

They're had a decade

Since surface RT

[toxic zealot]

i know arm can emulate x86?

[quick locust]

But it still suck

Yeah

[toxic zealot]

dont remember exctly

[quick locust]

Nvidia and mediatek is pushing arm laptops with linux

[toxic zealot]

i have seen some linux ultra nerd

run 6700xt on SiFive chip

[quick locust]

They showed recently running a game on arch Linux on it

[toxic zealot]

but he refuses to give code

[quick locust]

Nvidia that is

Yeah I heard

[toxic zealot]

because "hes tired of ppl getting rich on him"

meanwhile he used amd drivers that are OPEN SOURCE

and linux that is OPEN SOURCE

to achieve this

lmao

[quick locust]

Nvidia and mediatek is pushing it though officially

[toxic zealot]

seemsl ike matter of time

before both nvidia and amd will run on anything

[quick locust]

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/07/nvidia-shows-off-rtx-and-dlss-on-arm-using-arch-linux

[toxic zealot]

i dont know how much more powerful cpus games need tho

lol

[quick locust]

Well it always increase

[toxic zealot]

hard bottleneck on resolution

raytracing performance

[quick locust]

More and more physics etc in gamws

And ai

And objects in general

[toxic zealot]

honestly idk if ai is any smarter than in some games 15 yr ago

[quick locust]

It's hard to get perfect

[toxic zealot]

from what i understand

gpus can handle complex physics better

like

[quick locust]

Also current games has to work on PS4 and Xbox one

[toxic zealot]

did any game do actual fluid simulation with a cpu

[quick locust]

Which has horrible cpus

[toxic zealot]

like physx did

doesnt ps4 have bulldozer

or something

[quick locust]

Most physics is handled by cpu

Yeah

[toxic zealot]

i mean

well

[quick locust]

Or rather

Jaguar

It's the mobile part

[toxic zealot]

that cpu is a joke

nowdays

big joke

[quick locust]

Was meh when it released

[toxic zealot]

and was a joke when released

too

[quick locust]

Yeah

[toxic zealot]

amd didnt have good cpus

after 2008 maybe

[quick locust]

At least new consoles has 7 zen 2 cores for games

[toxic zealot]

untill ryzen

dont remember

[quick locust]

But it'll take a bit before they're utilized

[toxic zealot]

utilized?

[quick locust]

Especially with cross gen games

[toxic zealot]

oh yea

i dont know how hard it gets

i rarely see game use over 2-4 cores

most games in the entire history of gaming dont use more than 1 core

[quick locust]

I know

[toxic zealot]

highest ive seen is singular of singularity cpu usage prob

but that is game benchmark not game

[quick locust]

Most nowadays use multiple at least

Up to 6-8

[toxic zealot]

@quick locuststill questionable usage

because 6-8 ive seen weird % usages on cores

[quick locust]

Well it varies

[toxic zealot]

but from what i remember it was like this:

[quick locust]

Most don't only use 1 now

[toxic zealot]

some basic game usage - 1 core
physics -2 core
AI - 3 core
something something - 4 core

it looks like that

if it goes out of sync game breaks

[quick locust]

Nah it always varies

And scheduler moves it around

It's not like that

[toxic zealot]

it isnt?

[quick locust]

No it's quite complex

And it's not up to the game to decide that

[toxic zealot]

then you have like 64 core cpus that not even software designed to use many cores can use and if it does it has literal delay for scheluding or calculating path to schelude the task

i dont know how game engine interacts with scheluder exactly

but even game like stellaris where it has many systems that can be split it took dev team a lot of time to implement higher usage

[quick locust]

It takes a bit before software takes advantage of new tech

[toxic zealot]

and like

from what i understand if you have high usage of resources on one system

and split it between many threads

syncing it is good luck

[quick locust]

Depends on what it is

[quick locust]

But yeah this part is not up to the game, its the scheduler

[toxic zealot]

i heard there was long time ago some research paper from intel

on forcing apps to use multiple threads somehow

they trashed it out tho

[toxic zealot]

gpus do parallel processing extremaly well dont they

[quick locust]

Yes

Not the best at it but very good

A lot of mobile games only use 1 or a few cores @toxic zealot

[latent light]

https://www.pcgamer.com/intel-atx12vo-power-standard-pushback-manufacturers/

Reason: less profitable for motherboard makers, more profitable for Intel

[toxic zealot]

lmao

wasnt the thing with it that

it only shifts blame to motherboard

does it really help to change something in psus

[storm osprey]

without reading the article, the title alone will gain traction against intel because "intel bad"

[arctic crag]

Intel being intel

[quick locust]

It also makes PSUs easier to do

With better efficiency

Cause it pushes it to motherboard

So benefits PSU makers, but makes motherboards more expensive

[storm osprey]

"There's a real reluctance, then, to move away from the now 25-year-old current standard."

read this far, i feel like if anything has been around this long its very reasonable to get changed

[quick locust]

Intel made the 25 year old standard as well

[storm osprey]

i get no time to make a change like this is ideal though

[quick locust]

They also tried to do BTX

But that didn't go well

[prime jasper]

!!specs

[storm osprey]

!!specs

[silent oasis]

Currently there are no official PC specifications released by DICE for Battlefield 2042.
Any specs floating around the internet are just assumptions or rumors.

[supple bane]

so whats the advantage? is it more efficient ?

[quick locust]

AT - IBM
ATX - Intel
BTX - Intel
ATX12VO - Intel
ITX - Via

Yeah

And lower idle

Which is most of it

On load there's not that much difference between most psus

[supple bane]

but how do all of the 3 and 5v parts work now?

would like everything have to be redesigned ?

[quick locust]

They get from motherboard

[supple bane]

i see

[quick locust]

So motherboard would have to do the work

[supple bane]

it seems like a fix looking for a problem to me

[quick locust]

Easy to get plat PSUs that way though

[supple bane]

again. a fix looking for a problem

[latent light]

Motherboards don't need to be anymore expensive, X570 and Z590 boards are already too pricey as is

[quick locust]

I know

Though that's also material issue

Component and material cost rising

Which is pushed onto you

Though there's still a decent amount of 150 to 180 USD boards

[supple bane]

i guess nvidia tried to push 12 pin pcie and that just seemed to disappear

this could be the same situation

i dont know of any cards other than founders that use 12 pin

and the founders cards that do have them just ended up being adapted from 2 8pin to a 12

so no advantage was found

[quick locust]

Because it'd just cost AIBs to do

And AMD doesn't want to use it obviously

[latent light]

Stick to what's old, reliable and proven 👍

[supple bane]

media outlets all said "ooh rn no psus can actually deliver 12 pin pcie out of the box, but soon!"

that never came about either

at least not to my knowledge

[quick locust]

AMD obviously don't care as it was just nvidia who pushed it

And AIBs didn't want to spend the money on it I guess

[storm osprey]

if lower idle consumption is a pro to these changes wouldnt that help the whole banned in cali thing?

[quick locust]

Yeah

And it's not a ban

[supple bane]

i cant imagine it being much more than a few % though

lets say all atx 12vo psus could get 80 plus plat. thats only 3% lower power consumption compared to gold

which is probably the average psu

[quick locust]

ITX gets hit most by it

Ironically

Because of their expansion score

[storm osprey]

the "ban"

yea

im just glad it doesnt concern custom builds

[quick locust]

Doesn't hit most SIs as well

Since they can change it fast

[supple bane]

it also doesnt concern where you live so it doesnt matter

[storm osprey]

i plan to move to oregon

[supple bane]

do you?

[quick locust]

Companies like Dell need to pay for each pc they want to sell there though

For certification

[storm osprey]

yea, its literally been a plan for 2 years now

the only reason we havent moved is my fiance got a new job that is contracted for 2 years

[quick locust]

Also it's kinda all electronics

Not just pcs

Oregon is nice

[storm osprey]

i loved it, huge change from arizona, hence why i want to move there

[quick locust]

It only concerns idle power consumption anyway

Just wondering why ram has so much an effect on the allowance of how much power it may use idle

When ram barely use power

Prebuilts usually skimp on expansion on their boards so

I guess they'll just spam ram sticks

Inb4 prebuilts with i3 and 32 GB ram

[latent light]

RTX 4090 AD102 expected to have 450-500 watt TDP

[storm osprey]

when are 4000 series supposed to drop?

[quick locust]

My 1000W PSU finally going to be recommended in a few generations

[latent light]

End of 2022

[storm osprey]

ahh ok

[quick locust]

[storm osprey]

i was about to say, we havent even gotten a year with 3000

[latent light]

"Nvidia AD102 ‘Ada Lovelace’ & AMD Navi 31 ‘RDNA3’ GPUs to be power chugging beasts, over 400W rumored for next-gen flagship cards"

Likely won't see air cooling for flagship

[quick locust]

Reference cards with AIOs again when

Like Vega 64 LC

Regular Vega 64 used more power than my 2080 ti

[latent light]

Vega and 2080Ti both draw more power on average than what TDP suggests

[quaint topaz]

Wish me luck.

[quaint topaz]

https://i.petersmk2.com/5072021/explorer_xsELUgyJDv.png

i like it

https://i.petersmk2.com/0072021/ZJWdEioZCH.mp4

[supple bane]

i have it on my laptop. but i cant install it on my desktop because im using legacy instead of UEFI

[wintry prairie]

Notice any difference in games?

[near rune]

thats a thing on win 10 aswell

but seems to be better in 11

[quick locust]

if it can beat this in touchpad usability

[lean cipher]

how do i put unlimited frames in bf4

[quick locust]

turn off vsync

and remove limiters

[arctic crag]

Is this steam deck ?

[quick locust]

no

is my laptop

[arctic crag]

This isn’t windows is it?

[quick locust]

No, its fedora with gnome

[young hearth]

is that cromeos

[quick locust]

steam deck will use KDE and arch

[arctic crag]

I’m not nerd enough to know what does that mean

[agile oasis]

Anyone know why my mouse isn't working in BF3 coop?

[quick locust]

fedora linux with gnome desktop

[arctic crag]

So linux

[lean cipher]

there are none

[quick locust]

steam deck will use steam OS 3 which is arch linux with KDE desktop

[arctic crag]

Neat

Wonder how will valave compress games files

[quick locust]

I dunno

the 64 GB eMMC base version seems bad

[arctic crag]

Because literally One game could take the whole 64gb

[quick locust]

i want the 512 GB one

its also nvme on that one so waaay faster

[arctic crag]

Yeah

What’s the gpu in it again?

[quick locust]

it's a custom rdna2 apu

not the fastest but it's decent for a handheld

[arctic crag]

What is it equivalent to

[quick locust]

dunno yet, only the steam deck has it

[arctic crag]

What’s the gpu specs?

[quick locust]

8 CUs at 1.1 to 1.6 GHz

fine for the 1280x800 resolution it runs

[latent light]

RDNA2 with 8 compute units with DDR5 at 5500MHz

[quick locust]

yea

[latent light]

So much faster than Vega graphics

[quick locust]

yeah

hope rdna2 apus arrive to other computers soon

[latent light]

Rembrandt should get announced for CES in January

[quick locust]

it was intended to be the case in the first place, but radeon and ryzen teams don't work in same cadence or pace

so they kept vega

[latent light]

Vega iGPU will still exist when RDNA2 is on desktop APU

Just for very low-end stuff

[quick locust]

yea

wish my ryzen 3700U had rdna

since i dont have dedicated on laptop

only on desktop

[light wave]

Does anyone have any semblance of a clue as to why I'm reprojecting frames in SteamVR Home

The stuttering is unbearable.

[frail elm]

All this PC stuff and I'm like i got an xbox series s and it runs smooth 👉👈

[quick locust]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

so will steam deck and most PCs

xbox series S seem to be in good stock here

i'd prefer if they only did X though

[supple bane]

on the steam vr window, click the 3 lines, then see if "display vr view" is enabled

[frail elm]

@quick locust why?

[supple bane]

if it is, disable it

[quick locust]

because everything in new gen will be limited by S since its the slowest by far of the 3

[light wave]

It isn't, and even when it is and the stutter bug isn't manifesting, I don't get a performance hit from that

[supple bane]

then what do you mean by "reprojecting" frames?

[quick locust]

I like how the series S looks though

[light wave]

If I enable the perf graph, I get a lot of pink spikes, which are reprojected frames

Which are also consistent with the incredible stuttering I'm getting

[cloud solar]

best buy stopped selling the series s online

cool

[quick locust]

theres a decent amount of them in stores here

and online

[cloud solar]

you cant buy it online

you have to pick it up in store

[frail elm]

The series X compared to the S has more storage can run 120 fps at 4k instead of 60 fps (smoothly) bigger ram and stuff so loads things quicker and smoother. Thats sorta it....

[quick locust]

It's way faster in terms of gpu

[cloud solar]

literally just for 4k support

[frail elm]

Not too particular in terms of this stuff, I'm pretty shite at this stuff 😂

[quick locust]

oh, i guess you have to find them in stores then

[cloud solar]

microsoft sells them directly

best buy just stopped today for some reason

[quick locust]

the stock of them is much better than ps5 stock here

[cloud solar]

i couldve ordered it yesterday and got it shipped

[frail elm]

I got the series s for the capabilities to run next gen games and to play at 4k 60fps

[quick locust]

ps5 is just mostly gone

[frail elm]

Yeah both xbox are pretty stocked where i live, no trouble getting one if you wanted

[cloud solar]

im only getting a series s bc its for my 8 year old brother

[delicate blaze]

i thought to use 120fps you had to go down to 1080p

[cloud solar]

1440p

[frail elm]

On series s i think so

[quick locust]

it depends on game

[cloud solar]

series s is 1080 120

in some games

[frail elm]

But i run 4k 60fps so I'm fine

[quick locust]

i run 1440 165 myself, is good time

[cloud solar]

even then the series s is 1440p 60 so its pretty alright

[frail elm]

But im not investing in a monitor for the 120+ fps id rather a TV which i have so there is never any point in me getting a series X

[quick locust]

there's some 120 TVs

[frail elm]

Yeah like £800 and are too big to fit where I'd need it

[quick locust]

my tv is from 2006 but i rarely use it lol

[frail elm]

I've got a 40" 4k google smart TV and that just fits where i need it, i was looking at 120hz TV but too big and pricy

[quick locust]

mine is 26 in

[frail elm]

Cool

[quick locust]

close to my monitor size lol

[frail elm]

Lol

[quick locust]

but i never really have much to use my tv for beside my PS2

[cloud solar]

why are retailers scalping consoles

[quick locust]

since that doesnt have hdmi

[supple bane]

because anything with a computer chip is in shortage

[quick locust]

because shortage '

everything is going up in price

electronics that is

[frail elm]

Inflation baby

[supple bane]

gpu's arent hit nearly as hard as stuff like the automotive industry

[quick locust]

PS5 sold more than ps4 at launch

theres just so much demand

[cloud solar]

i just gotta hope theyre still in stock on ms website on sunday

they probably will be

lets be honest

[frail elm]

I was lucky with my xbox, i was told by Microsoft (where i baught it) not to expect it till months later, i got it 2 weeks later

[quick locust]

100+ in stock

i guess less demand for them here

since theyve had decent stock

and they are at msrp

[cloud solar]

theyre probably just producing more of them

[quick locust]

while series X and PS5 is out of stock

[frail elm]

What language is that?

[cloud solar]

as well as less ppl wanting them

[quick locust]

danish

[frail elm]

Cool

[cloud solar]

since they want to push digital games and all

[frail elm]

Yeah

[cloud solar]

theyre probably easier to produce as well

[frail elm]

Much smaller

[quick locust]

smaller die and less ram

[cloud solar]

mhm

[frail elm]

Literally the size of my hand

[cloud solar]

i heard that theyre super small

[frail elm]

Die?

[quick locust]

yeah

[cloud solar]

inside the processors and stuff

[quick locust]

the processing unit itself

[frail elm]

Oh right

[cloud solar]

under the heatspreader

[quick locust]

consoles dont use IHS

[cloud solar]

i was just gonna say that

[frail elm]

The hell is a hestspreader?

[cloud solar]

the flat metal thing on the outside that you put the cooler on

[frail elm]

I don't build PCs soooooo.... 😂

[cloud solar]

grey thing

[frail elm]

Yes😑

[quick locust]

heres the series X die

[cloud solar]

fancy lookin

[frail elm]

All righty

[quick locust]

series S

[frail elm]

What is that?

[quick locust]

the main board of the xbox series S

[cloud solar]

thats incredibly small

[cloud solar]

fan is massive

[quick locust]

not really

[latent light]

Very low power consumption

[quick locust]

just small console

[cloud solar]

well i mean, compared to the rest of it

[quick locust]

series X

[cloud solar]

its an average sized fan over all

[frail elm]

60% fan
10% smart logic computer stuff i don't understand
30% plastic

(series s)

Lol

[quick locust]

One S

the fan looks big but

the rest is just shrunk

[supple bane]

that heatsink is pretty big. i thought they had laptop sized coolers

[frail elm]

I wanna know who's ripping up all these consoles😂i should start a charity to help consoles in need

[quick locust]

eh its just a tear down

you can just put them back together and start them back up

[cloud solar]

i wonder if someone will mod a series s to have a disc drive

[frail elm]

Gorilla glue lol and a bit of duck tape

[quick locust]

might not have connector for it

[supple bane]

they just clip together like lego

[quick locust]

besides USB

[cloud solar]

probably doesnt

[quick locust]

guess you could tape an external usb drive to it

lol

depending if the OS allows

[cloud solar]

would the console even recognize the game in it?

[frail elm]

Dunno

[cloud solar]

im gonna buy a usb disc drive for my pc so maybe ill take an xbox one game and test it

[quick locust]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frail elm]

Just plug a DVD player in the back USB port😂

[quick locust]

i dunno whether its locked off or not

but yeah these consoles they can just put back together and they still work

[frail elm]

Your name being green, what does that mean?

[quick locust]

Sony even did a teardown video of the ps5

cause i have regular role and chose green

[frail elm]

Role of what?

[quick locust]

!!regular

[silent oasis]

ℹ️ The Regular role is granted to active, positive, courteous, and resourceful guests of the server. This role is earned, not given, and is conferred at the discretion of the server staff. With this role guests can post/embed images, execute a selection of bot commands, and change what color their name appears as in chat.

[cloud solar]

remember the ps5s malfunctioning in store displays

[quick locust]

i saw a ps5 today in a store display

showed tetris lol

[frail elm]

Oooo fancy!

[cloud solar]

i dont think they were ventilated properly

[cloud solar]

they were too focused on protecting the console

[frail elm]

Clearly showing its max potential obviously i bet you can run 120 fps real smooth 😂

[quick locust]

took that picture today

it'd be fun if they had dark souls remake playing

seeing random people play it and suffer

[frail elm]

Did you at least preoder tetris 2 🤣

[quick locust]

😛 naw

[frail elm]

Evil man😈😂

[quick locust]

I don't use consoles since psp

which was a nice handheld

[frail elm]

Oh right yeah 😂

[quick locust]

i might get steam deck though maybe

if you can count that as a console

which it isn't but

kind of

[frail elm]

I don't even know what that is 😂

[next beacon]

I think it is a console

[quick locust]

its a handheld PC

[frail elm]

What if i rename my series s mini PC, do i then have a PC..... eh.. Eh,stonks!!

[next beacon]

Thats like saying a phone is a pc

Which it kinda is tbh

[frail elm]

Yeah, stonks😂😂😂

[supple bane]

a phone is a PC kinda

[frail elm]

Phones now, starting to get pretty powerful

[quick locust]

it is a PC, its not a locked system

[supple bane]

a pc is a general purpose computer. something that can serve any function

[quick locust]

its not locked to steam or anything

just preinstalled with it

[supple bane]

a phone can do that, the steam deck can because you can install any operating system on it

a console cannot. hence its not a PC

[quick locust]

yeah

[frail elm]

Any😏😉

[quick locust]

though I would not install windows on it

[next beacon]

Oh, didnt know it did all that.

That changes things then

[quick locust]

same size screen as the switch

but thicker console

but way faster

[supple bane]

its not the first handheld device that can have windows installed on it

[quick locust]

but its way cheaper than most that do

like gdp win

and faster than most too

[cloud solar]

oh my paycheck came in early

[quick locust]

i wouldnt install windows on it though

[cloud solar]

guess im ordering this series s rn

[quick locust]

800p screen and no kb

[frail elm]

POGGERS!!

[frail elm]

POGGERS!!

[quick locust]

xbox runs windows just

locked down version made for it

[supple bane]

yeah and the "locked down" part is what makes it a not pc

[quick locust]

i know

although

PS2 and PS3 had option to install linux

officially

but still not PCs

[frail elm]

What's linux

[supple bane]

an operating system

like windows

or mac os

[quick locust]

a kernel

[supple bane]

if he doesnt know what linux is he wont know what a kernel is :P

[frail elm]

Aah

[quick locust]

it's what chromeOS and android is based on

[frail elm]

Just smile and wave

[quick locust]

they are just locked down

[frail elm]

https://tenor.com/view/skipper-smile-and-wave-boys-madagascar-kowalski-uhhuh-gif-8713771

[next beacon]

I need to learn python

[cloud solar]

wow that screenshot sucks lol

but i got that and a play and charge kit for the controller

[supple bane]

i know a bit of python

a bit more than the basics

[frail elm]

@cloud solar POGGERS!!!

I know nothing about python

[quick locust]

im not great at it, I only use it for uni in my projects

[frail elm]

Apart from is some coding software

[cloud solar]

now i just gotta get a monitor to go with it

[opaque saddle]

Why Xbox series S?

[frail elm]

Or 4k tv lol

[cloud solar]

its for my 8 year old brother

[opaque saddle]

I would go for series X

Oh

[cloud solar]

he dont care about the discs or 4k

all he has is a switch rn

and he will only be gaming in 1080p

so i think the s was the right choice

[frail elm]

Yeah, probably

[opaque saddle]

I reckon it will cause an minor issue at the end of the product life cycle (6-7 years from now). It seems this Gen will last as long as the last Gen

Coz people will get more disc games when they grow up

[quick locust]

yeah, i wish they'd make it more powerful or skipped it

[opaque saddle]

Which happened to my nephews

[quick locust]

i got lots of disk games but

me older

[cloud solar]

also the series s is way more readily avaliable

[opaque saddle]

I wished the s model has a disc drive, that’s all

[cloud solar]

or however you spell that godforsaken word

[quick locust]

yeah theres always 100+ in stock of them here

while xbox series X is gone

and ps5 is gone

[cloud solar]

its gonna be here on the 3rd at the latest

pretty good for free shipping

[opaque saddle]

I’m waiting for the slim version

however I don’t play console games often, which is a shame

[latent light]

PS5 is nearly 4 inches taller than XSX

[quick locust]

series X and S is already small enough imo

[frail elm]

Lol

[quick locust]

not much point making them smaller for me

[quaint sleet]

if you know english you know python

[opaque saddle]

I bought my PS4 but haven’t used it for over 50 times

[quick locust]

PS5 is a tall boy but still not huge for me

[latent light]

It's still smaller than a desktop

[quick locust]

ye

i got a RV02E case so

pretty large

[latent light]

My NZXT S340 case is just an inch taller than PS5

[cloud solar]

wow monitors around 100$ are so terrible

idk what i expected

[quick locust]

well yes

[cloud solar]

ig ill wait and get him a better one

i was thinking the samsung odyssey g3

[opaque saddle]

I bought a 500AUD monitor

34” ultrawide 1440p

[cloud solar]

id do the g5 for 1440p if the contrast ratio didnt suck compared to the g3

[frail elm]

Oo

[cloud solar]

idk much about monitors but im guessing these specs are decent at least right?

[quick locust]

my 24 in monitor cost more when i bought it

sadge

500 usd for it

[cloud solar]

not listed is the fact that its a va panel

[toxic zealot]

those specs dont tell anything

where is covered color spectrum

where is backlight bleed test

[quick locust]

I'll go VA or IPS next time, tired of TN

[cloud solar]

thats all best buy gives me lmao

[toxic zealot]

where is actual response from black to black

[frail elm]

@cloud solar I'd say it looks alright the no HDR might put me off though??

[supple bane]

lmao

unless you spend mega money, HDR sucks

[toxic zealot]

you want hdr on normal led

xDDDDDDDDDD

[cloud solar]

good contrast ratio makes up for it somewhat

[toxic zealot]

good luck

[cloud solar]

itll be a while till we see oled gaming monitors

[toxic zealot]

you need at least fake oled aka multiple backlights

there are oled tvs

[quaint sleet]

samsung VA is really nice

[toxic zealot]

that are 48 inch

and actually oled monitors

but super expensive

tvs reasonable

[quick locust]

yeah oled monitors are too expensive for most still

maybe microLED will be decent

[toxic zealot]

how expensive is microled

[toxic wigeon]

Those massive TV sized monitors are crazy

[cloud solar]

ok so the g3 has awful smearing issues

[frail elm]

What's your budget?

[cloud solar]

i want to stay under 300

[plain stag]

M27Q

[cloud solar]

i might go for the msi g27c4

[frail elm]

That dollars?

[cloud solar]

yes

[plain stag]

It's on sale now

Somewhere in the ud

Us

For 290

[quick locust]

expensive still

[plain stag]

Regular price is about 350 i think

Currently best monitor for that price

[toxic zealot]

need to get that display asap when i have money

[quick locust]

and so far mostly TVs with it

[frail elm]

Guys we have a troubling question in general chat #general

[plain stag]

170hz, wide color gamut, pretty decent response times, no ghosting at all, ips

Can't get any better with M27Q

[cloud solar]

im 30$ short after ordering the console lmao

[plain stag]

Get that 30 any way you can

It's definitely worth it

[cloud solar]

no for the g27c4 i mean