technology

[lean cipher]

or 2022

[plain stag]

should be 2022

[lean cipher]

ok

[plain stag]

or maybe end of 2021

[arctic crag]

Yeah 2022 mostly

[lean cipher]

is it gonna still be 14nm

or 7nm

[plain stag]

no, its on 10nm

its finally on their new process node

[lean cipher]

still not at 7nm

[plain stag]

like i said above

that number doesnt mean anything

as they are two different measurements taken for intel and amd

[arctic crag]

Have you guys seen the 3nm TSMC made

[lean cipher]

amd is gonna go to 5nm

[lean cipher]

true

[plain stag]

it doesnt

mean anything

[storm osprey]

as suggested/covered in this chat recently, the number we are told really doesnt mean much

[lean cipher]

hm

true

[plain stag]

transistor numbers matter, and how mature the process node is

[plain stag]

yes, but thats not yet ready for mass production

if i remember correctly, IBM made a 1nm transistor not long ago

[storm osprey]

i tend not to concern myself with the tech behind this stuff, its easily way beyond my comprehension, my biggest concern is how much fps i get for the price i paid

[plain stag]

but its still just R&D

[storm osprey]

if a cpu filled with cat pee runs the fastest at the best price, i really dont care

[arctic crag]

Damn who would buy that lmao

[plain stag]

intel's 14nm and amd's 7nm cpus are very similar in transistor size

[storm osprey]

you wouldnt?

[arctic crag]

Cpu filled with cat pee why would i buy lol

[plain stag]

and i'd assume that intel's 10nm and amd's 5nm will be the same story again

but 7nm is more marketable

cuz its a smaller number

[storm osprey]

"fastest and best price"

[plain stag]

and smaller=better for more casual people

[arctic crag]

Another question I have why there are only 2 companies making cpus?

[midnight crypt]

Money

[storm osprey]

not sure thats the truth?

[midnight crypt]

And there arent just 2

[arctic crag]

I mean popular

[storm osprey]

as far as brands putting their names on cpus go there amd, intel, apple, qualcom, samsung and probably others

[arctic crag]

For desktop

[storm osprey]

granted, idk if TSMC is supplying everyone BUT intel

[arctic crag]

I know apple yeah they have M1

[storm osprey]

well for desktop you now have apple, amd and intel

i imagine making cpus is not cheap, and even if you could make them youd have to sell them, and brand recognition goes a long way

[plain stag]

other companies didnt innovate fast enough so they ended up obsolete, in the PC marketspace that is

intel came up with x86 cpus

and they license x86 to amd

[arctic crag]

wow

They weren’t rivals back then were they?

[plain stag]

they were

but due to monopoly laws they had to provide that data to their competitors

cyrix was another notable company that had an x86 license

but they died out in the 90's

[arctic crag]

I see

Thanks guys

I really learned something today

[plain stag]

there was also a couple of other things why intel agreed to license x86 to amd

but long story short, amd tried to clone intel's cpus

there were some other license which amd managed to reverse engineer and they made a legal copy of a cpu

and intel tried to sue them, and they lost

then amd tried to trademark another thing that was in that cpu that they made

that didnt work out, so in the end, they agreed upon intel licensing x86 to amd

[arctic crag]

I have important image I want to post here can I dm anyone that can post images to post it?

[proud trellis]

sure

@arctic crag

[arctic crag]

Ty mate

[storm osprey]

iirc quality preset isnt the same for fsr and dlss

[arctic crag]

So the pic quality is worse in FX that’s why it’s giving more fps in Dlss

?

[storm osprey]

it could be using a lower resolution image to upscale, which is essentially what the settings mean

[arctic crag]

That makes sense

[storm osprey]

im not sure how this works exactly, but from what i gathered if 4k is native, and you do dlss quality, its rendering at 1440p and upscaling

something like ultra performance dlss mode is 720p and upscaling

[arctic crag]

Yeah I heard about it

[storm osprey]

(not sure if those numbers are accurate, but an example of what they mean)

[arctic crag]

720p you’re right

[storm osprey]

and yea, assuming hwu is putting the settings in order, dlss quality is equivalent to fsr ultra quality

(at least in terms of their ranking within their own tech)

[arctic crag]

Have you tried dlss yourself?

[storm osprey]

yes

currently using dlss in rdr 2 to get smooth 60 fps with almost max settings at 4k

[arctic crag]

Did you notice the difference in quality?

[storm osprey]

definitely

in rdr 2's case i think it even made the image better

apparently rdr2 had a default level of AA no matter what, which made the game slightly blurry

[arctic crag]

Lmafo

What about other games

I want to know how worse the image will be in real life scenario compared to native

[storm osprey]

uhhh cyberpunk was the other game i used it in, that helped a lot in that game too BUT it had bad ghosting in certain scenarios

outside of outliers like ghosting, i honestly dont think many people would be able to tell the difference between native 4k and 4k with quality dlss set on UNLESS they had a side by side

[arctic crag]

I see gaining couple fps for a bit worse quality isn’t that bad at all

[storm osprey]

personally, its 100% worth it in most scenarios

[arctic crag]

Especially in hardware rape games like rdr2 and cyperpunk

[storm osprey]

yea, where it was a matter of turning down settings to get 60 fps in the first place

[lofty light]

[low pivot]

lmfao

[cloud solar]

theyre not banned

dell just doesnt want to sell you one

[plain stag]

they cant sell their warranty

[light wave]

750Watt rig goes brrrrr

[lofty light]

You can't get certain prebuilts any more yeah

Can still make your own but people who want to do that are still in the minority

[proud trellis]

would you guys say its possible to get a 2600x with a 360mm rad to stay at 30 degrees while under load on BF1 ?

[molten coral]

no

[plain stag]

to go bellow room temp, you need chilled water

at least chilled water

[lofty light]

30 degrees with any cooler under load would need a chiller yeah

Just get a plastic container with ice water in and stick your rad in that

Then swap the ice water out every few minutes

[storm osprey]

I plan on moving there with a 10700kf and 3080…

[lofty light]

Yikes

[storm osprey]

I have to smuggle it in.

[terse steeple]

good shit

[short pier]

Goddayum

[digital hill]

Me happy knowing no one is getting those terrible pc's in those states

[lofty light]

My old Tafe lecturer bought one of those

Turns out the 3080 was partially DOA

[digital hill]

Oof

[terse steeple]

That's a massive oof.

[lofty light]

Good news is dell sent me out to just straight replace it so he's good now 👍

[terse steeple]

Damn good on ya Dell.

[storm osprey]

Just watched jayztwocents video on the ban and it’s only against pre built PCs. They aren’t regulating custom builds.

[lofty light]

Makes sense, you could be building a PC with a high wattage CPU and no GPU for instance

[storm osprey]

I’m just glad I don’t have to worry about it.

[plucky token]

Murica F yeah

[molten coral]

I love your banner @lofty light

[latent light]

[lofty light]

Thanks man

[lofty kindle]

Can someone help me for a sec? Soo im gonna buy a m.2 ssd and i would like to set it as main drive(if im saying that right), but i dont know what will happen with all my progress/ other stuff on my pc.

[near rune]

so you want your os to the m.2?

[lofty kindle]

Yes

[supple bane]

there are tools you can use to copy an entire drive onto another one if you want an easy way to not lose all your stuff

[near rune]

there are programs that can transfer it

but i would reinstall windows on it

[lofty kindle]

Ok were to find that

[supple bane]

its recommended to reinstall windows yes. but ive copied drives windows included plenty of times and never had an issue

[lofty kindle]

Is it easy to do?

[near rune]

if its my main pc i would reinstall

if its something else i wouldnt mind

[lofty kindle]

Maybe im gonna reset it then cuz its also my main gaming pc

[crude storm]

are you sure you can boot from the m2 device? this would the first thing i would clear up

[near rune]

yeah some need an update or something for your mobo to recognize the m.2

[lofty kindle]

Ehm

Idk

Never opend my bios

[near rune]

google your mobo and look for info if it needs an update

[lofty kindle]

Ok

[near rune]

this all might be a massive hassle but m.2 is worth it

i got a 1tb on my laptop

and its insanely fast

[lofty kindle]

Do i look for what gen the slot is?

[near rune]

no

just if it needs an update

[supple bane]

I wouldnt recommend updating bios if you dont know what you are doing

and i disagree with m.2 being worth it. in terms of load times its barely faster than a regular 2.5"

its benefit comes in the form of transferring data

[crude storm]

yeah, hardware unboxed did a nice test on it

m2 isnt worth for 99% of the users

[crude storm]

had a good laugh looking it the forums seeing wd is selling nvme drives with bf2042

could have done that with every other disk aswell

[lofty kindle]

But should i do a ssd upgrade

I already have a ssd solidstate as os

[crude storm]

if you have an ssd and you run out of space you can either hook up another ssd or clone the ssd to a bigger ssd

i have an os ssd and a gamedata ssd

[lofty kindle]

I have as gamedata a 2tb hdd

Does that make game loading slower

?

[crude storm]

yes

[lofty kindle]

Oh

[crude storm]

see granty's screenshots

[lofty kindle]

Ok

I though if your os runs at a ssd it will be always faster

[crude storm]

no, only your os stuff is running faster

[lofty kindle]

Ok

[crude storm]

basicly gamedata gets loaded into the ram, if gamedata gets loaded from a hdd it get loaded 1/5 slower than from a ssd

[lofty kindle]

Ok thx for info. I think imma go buy a ssd for storage

[crude storm]

there are also different ssds ... also slow and fast ssds

slc, mlc, tlc, qlc

[opaque saddle]

I will go for SSD for cheaper price. You may not be able to use all NVMe slots

TLC SSD with DRAM is still a good one to choose from

be aware not to get QLC SSD or DRAMless TLC SSD

[lofty kindle]

Is that worse

[opaque saddle]

these are bad. I don't recommend people to get it

coz a typical 500GB or 1TB TLC SSD with DRAM is like $10-20 more than QLC SSD or DRAMless TLC SSD

[lofty kindle]

Ok

[opaque saddle]

TLC SSD with DRAM has a much better longevity and better sustain write speed. MLC is another level, such as 970 PRO or 980 PRO. which works the same as TLC SSD but doubled the price with better longevity

[crude storm]

i have a Samsung SSD 860 PRO 2TB which runs great

but the as he said MLC is another level

[lofty kindle]

Is Crucial MX500 a good ssd to go with?

[opaque saddle]

yeah. MLC SSD are really good. I know people who bought 850 PRO when it came out and still using today

plus Samsung gave 10 years warranty (or X amount of TBW) on it

[lofty kindle]

Ok

[opaque saddle]

the mx500 is fine

[lofty kindle]

Ok i will go for that

[crude storm]

mx! not bx!

[lofty kindle]

Yes mx

[opaque saddle]

but i usually recommend people to get MX and not BX. If they aren't sure about it, go for samsung

Especially the samsung 870 EVO is cheaper than MX500 in my area

[crude storm]

germany -> 870 Evo 240 euro, mx500 180 euro

[lofty kindle]

In my country the samsung is 10e more

[opaque saddle]

the 1TB MX500 cost 116 AUD here, and 870 EVO cost 115 (down to 104 AUD using giftcards)

[crude storm]

aud 😄

[lofty kindle]

Wich is better then samaung or crucial

[dry pike]

Wrong conclusion. It's nvme isn't worth it, m.2 is still just a formfactor and connector and is capable of both SATA and nvme.

[opaque saddle]

unless you mean nvme

[dry pike]

Also, that conclusion might change once the new DirectStorage is implemented in games and Windows.

[opaque saddle]

i will go for samsung with better brand reputation and faster overall speed

[lofty kindle]

Ok thx for your time🙂

[opaque saddle]

no worries

make sure it is EVO and not QVO

[strong breach]

Imagine buying an SSD and noticing it's QVO when it arrives

the pain!

[lofty kindle]

Oof

Two years ago i almost made the mistake of buying a gpu with the wrong slot lol

[crude storm]

you are right, on both m2 nvme and direct storage

[lofty kindle]

Rgb makes your pc run better right?

[crude storm]

faster ofc

[quick locust]

4GB vram moment

though runs fine in most games

[quick locust]

yeah, i run a dramless tlc ssd rn, and it's not that durable

[quick locust]

No, AMD was officially licenced to manufacture Intel cpus

IBM wanted to have more than 1 source for the cpus they were using

[arctic crag]

81% for 500gb writing/reading

That’s bad

[quick locust]

50 TB

ish

[arctic crag]

Oh yeah sorry lol

Now that’s good

[quick locust]

not really

[arctic crag]

I wrote about 10tb mine is like 95%

[quick locust]

it's a dramless tlc ssd and a pretty early one at that

my MLC ssd is at 460 TBW rn

and my samsung only about 11 TB, but it's newest of them

[arctic crag]

Which Samsung you got

[quick locust]

860 evo, so just sata

My NUC had a 970 pro but i returned that

[arctic crag]

I have one works like a charm

[quick locust]

yeah

[arctic crag]

I heard about a new 980

Get it if you can

[prime jasper]

anyone bought the oneplus nord 2?

[quick locust]

they are not banned, they just require certification

and it's not about power usage while it's being used, it's about energy waste when the computers aren't being used and are idling

[prime jasper]

oh nvm i think its available tomorrow

[quick locust]

there's only a handful of companies with x86 licence, but there's several trying to push ARM cpus into PC market.

[plain stag]

What i said was before they got the licence

[quick locust]

Those were before x86

All the x86 ones were officially licenced

[plain stag]

I know, thats why i said it was before x86 licence

That legal cloning and intel's lawsuit that ultimately failed led to them making an agreement for x86 licence

[quick locust]

Not really

It was IBM that pushed it

[plain stag]

There were other reasons too

[quick locust]

They required more than 1 source

[plain stag]

But its a notable one as well

[dry pike]

I do love hearing that, much love ❤️ 😄

[echo remnant]

Someone joins my server: "today you'll be facing my clan" (Just bots all using c4 and nothing else.)

[echo remnant]

Arm or even RISC-V would be 🔥

Unfortunately x86 will continue to decline in its efficiency because of its age

All the extra stuff pushed onto it for years and years

Backwards compatibility it's great ye but pretty soon ai with allow us to emulate anything efficiently I'm sure.

It's just a matter of time

One day we'll probably platu on how much power we actually need as a consumer too and at that point our phones will probably be powerful enough to run things that are far more complex than our current best pcs can muster

I think my big question is though is vr really the future of gaming?

Will we controller and mouse jockeys get side lined? lol

[plain stag]

I'd say vr is the next evolution

Or another way to play games

I don't think m+k and controllers are gonna go anytime soon

It's not practical to play fps games in vr

And other genres as well

[quick locust]

yeah i hope RISC-V will do great

[quick locust]

Phones won't take over actual work though

Also Intel might buy SiFive, so hopefully Intel will also do well with RISC-V cpus

They're also making RISC-V cpus on intel 7nm

[latent light]

AMD got their RX 6000 series GPUs working with RISC-V processors

Nvm Linux engineer did

[quick locust]

Yeah

[heady pawn]

I think I fixed my FPS problem on my laptop
I increased the dedicated memory for the GPU

[quick locust]

That does nothing except for a few old programs

[latent light]

Maybe APU

[summer sail]

yes I have

me 2 bro how did you fix it ?

Guys how to fix it this error on battlefield1 (0xc000007b.)??

[cloud solar]

i think games are gonna go back to cartridges

[storm osprey]

is this a serious take?

[cloud solar]

yes

i think theyll be similar to the expandable storage that we see on the series x

[storm osprey]

i think thats unlikely

digital is the obvious pick

[midnight crypt]

sounds wasteful

[storm osprey]

i remember reading or watching a video that explained why cartridges arent common and at least in that example it was because they are proprietary

[cloud solar]

ok well you cant expect to play an xbox game on a playstation

so whats the difference

as ssds get cheaper to produce i think it could happen

with games getting bigger and bigger, this would eliminate the need for installs off the disc since its already installed on this high capacity drive that you just plug in

[supple bane]

youre not considering how hard it is to distribute physical games compared to digital

well not hard. but costly

there is no advantage for a developer to sell physical copies

[storm osprey]

that doesnt have to do with a proprietary technology to even get the game on "disc" in the first place @cloud solar

[supple bane]

they have to pay for the physical media in the first place, then they have to pay for distribution, they will also need to distribute to hundreds of retailers across the world. and keep up with these retailers quantities and charge rates

all this compares to giving steam a copy and letting them do all the work

[storm osprey]

honestly i dont think the cost of physical copies is that much, or the logistics being that troublesome

[supple bane]

well no its not.

but its still harder than digital is my point

[storm osprey]

well sure, but i doubt its really a concern

[supple bane]

also sure games are getting bigger. but internet speeds are also getting faster around the world

so it cancels out

[storm osprey]

not only that but most "installs" are patches that come after the disc comes out

[cloud solar]

id rather not wait 30 minutes to play the game i bought physically

[storm osprey]

basically in the timeframe it takes to put a game on disc and ship it out globally for a launch date, in that timeframe they work on the game as well

[supple bane]

im in a server with 4 other people, ive been friends with them for years. when i first started playing with them they all had really poor internet, like less than 20mbps

fast forward a few years and 3/4 have had their areas covered by fibre and have got 200+

anyway. i cant see physical games making a comeback either

and i hope they dont

[cloud solar]

just say youre lame and move on ffs

it was just a cool idea

[midnight crypt]

it clearly isnt

[storm osprey]

how are we lame for logically going through why cartridges wont happen?

im not against it myself, i think cartridges are cooler, but that doesnt mean i ignore logic...

youre lame...

[supple bane]

the more i think about this the more i disagree

lets say you are some super small indie company with a good idea. see teardown for example.

how would you even begin to ship tens of thousands of drives across the world. to tiny countries with very few potential customers

[storm osprey]

indie is a pretty niche scenario, and thats what publishers are for

and likely a reason most indie games are digital only

[supple bane]

say like, the DRC or something, there may only be like 20 people with a gaming pc in that country. but a dev will want in the best case scenario every single gamer to have the potential to buy their game

and thats why steam is great. because they can.

[storm osprey]

yea, digital is better, i still dont think for any established dev/pub that physical copies are a concern

[supple bane]

they still most likely wont ship to remote or less developed countries tho

because obviously there is less money to be made.

but with digital you instantly give these countries access to your game. and there for reach more customers and make more money

[storm osprey]

lets be honest though, i doubt those devs/pubs really care about missing out on small countries

yea i get wanting you game to reach the most people, but theres easily a line where its just not worth it

[fallen harbor]

do you need to enable something in the bios of a prime b450m-a in order to make use of 3200mhz ram?

or is that still within the normality range

[supple bane]

you will need to enable xmp obviously

but other than that, no

[fallen harbor]

why obviously? at what point do i need xmp?

from 2666 upwards?

[supple bane]

no

[fallen harbor]

3000?

[supple bane]

so ddr4 has a standard speed

its 2133mhz and specific timings

and all ram will run at that

enabling xmp will set it to what the manufacturer rated the sticks, rather than the ddr4 specification

[fallen harbor]

oh

this applies to all mobos or only amd mobos?

[supple bane]

all motherboards

[fallen harbor]

okie

[supple bane]

but even 2133mhz ram should have xmp enabled

because its likely the sticks are rated for tighter timings than the ddr4 spec

so enabling xmp will lower the timings

[fallen harbor]

my cousin has a ryzen 5 3600 and needs ram but he's unemployed so every cent counts now, so im not sure wether to suggest him to go for 2666 or 3200

[supple bane]

what ram does he has now?

[fallen harbor]

an old crucial ballistix white 2400mhz 8gb module

maybe he could just get only one hyperx fury 8gb 2666 module but i dont like the idea of mixing different brands

[supple bane]

on a super tight budget id say go for 2666 mhz from a good brand like corsair and overclocking it

2666 should be able to run at 3000 mhz

my 2133 ram can run at 2666 maybe more

[fallen harbor]

thing is he has a gtx1650 so i dont think he will ever make use of high speed ram

as long as he has that gpu

[supple bane]

it affects cpu speed, not gpu speed

he has a good cpu so he should also try get the best ram he can

[fallen harbor]

yeah but his cpu will never need to reach high use

[supple bane]

right

well. 🤷‍♂️

[fallen harbor]

maybe he should get high speed for future investment

[supple bane]

he isnt missing out on much going a lower speed

10 fps at MOST

[fallen harbor]

yeah but i have many other doubts about that

what if that small 10fps difference only happens when the cpu really needs to go faster because you have a good enough gpu?

if you know what i mean

since his cpu is much better than his gpu, maybe he wont even have that small difference

because even with low ram speed, his cpu is relaxed because the gpu reaches its maximum usage easily since it's a low tier

so theres no point for the cpu to reach 100%

and to be improved

unless it's a ridiculously cpu demanding game i guess

i am thinking that if he gets 2666 or 3200 it wont make any difference nowadays

and that there will possibly be a small difference if he ever gets a stronger gpu

as far as i understand it, high ram usage also means less ram usage, in a good way, less mb's of ram are required

so in a way it's like having a bit more ram

and also helps the cpu work a bit faster too, depending on the situation

but nothing of this will matter if the gpu reaches its limit very easily

so in his case, going for 3200 would only be a future investment, but im asking just in case im missing something

are these decent ram models?

[midnight crypt]

maybe

[plain stag]

It depends of their speed and cas latency

But fury is their more budget option

[toxic wigeon]

For some reason I can't run 1440 on my series x and run 7.1 sound... which is fucking weird

[storm osprey]

like you cant do 1440p and 7.1 at the same time?

[toxic wigeon]

Well technically it's either 1080p 120 fps or 1440p 60 fps

Its gotta be a bug or some shit

[signal forge]

Please help,
I use 4700U laptop for streaming only on YouTube and i game on 8700k ,1070.

The quality is very bad! I use x264, faster , 11000bits ,2 key frames etc. For 1080p 60!
I stream Apex legends. Please please help me improve my stream quality.

[quick locust]

Use higher x264 preset or use nvenc

[arctic crag]

I would take Corsair Vengeance over it

[storm osprey]

i would take the cheapest decent ram available

[arctic crag]

Because first timing is shit cl19 if I’m not mistaken +they use Hynix ram

Hynix is decent

But with Corsair you will get Samsung B

[storm osprey]

dont like.. 80% of ram kits use hynix or micron?

not all corsair kits use samsung b die either iirc

[arctic crag]

Corsair mostly uses Samsung

Yeah not all you can search the serial number to make sure

[storm osprey]

https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/

yea looking up samsung b die from corsair at 3200 you get 11 options, for 2x8 sticks the cheapest is 200 bucks

no thank you

[quick locust]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/guides/broadcasting-guide/@signal forge

[arctic crag]

200$??? tf?

[storm osprey]

ive never noticed samsung b die to be worth the price hike

[quick locust]

I use 4x8 bdie

[storm osprey]

i assume youre doing something more than gaming

[arctic crag]

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-PC4-28800-Desktop-Memory/dp/B07RM39V5F/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=corsair+vengeance+2x8+3600&qid=1627503749&sprefix=corsair+vegeance+2x8+&sr=8-2

[neon current]

But yeah I was going to go with an AMD CPU

But I went with the i9 11900K

[arctic crag]

See if this is samsung or not

[neon current]

Because I’m familiar with Intel and they’ve been good to me

[quick locust]

11900K is fine, just a bit overpriced for what it is

[neon current]

It was cheaper than the 5900 where I got it tbh

[storm osprey]

that doesnt show up as samsung b die from bdie finder

[neon current]

Micro center had it on sale

[quaint topaz]

I really wanted to move to AMD but I am so not familiar with their products so I just went for the 8700K, which is running very well. Think I hit the jackpot on it because I am running it on 5.3GHz at 1.28(or 1.29)v with no issues. Good temps.

[quick locust]

I run 4.7 on mine

[neon current]

Exactly that’s what I’m saying @quaint topaz

[quick locust]

5.0 is unstable

[storm osprey]

if you bought an 8700k close to launch thats one hell of a purchase

[neon current]

I’m not familiar with AMD and I wasn’t going to start now

[light wave]

I ran my 5800x @5.05

[quick locust]

I bought it at launch

[light wave]

Fun times.

[neon current]

OC boys

[quaint topaz]

It was decently priced, so I'm very happy with my 8700K so far.

[prime jasper]

Wait this channel is actually populated? Yeah.

[neon current]

I will admit these recent Intel CPUs tend to run pretty cool

[quick locust]

AMD has been doing very well though

[neon current]

My i7 7700K ran hot

[quaint topaz]

I remember when games started throwing the i5-6600K on the minimum requirements and I was like fuck, that's my time to upgrade. Looking directly at BF1.

[neon current]

BF1 had a big RAM and CPU rec iirc

The Ram was literally like 12-16 or something for rec

[keen oracle]

I hope my rtx 2070 super and ryzen 7 2700x will be not too hot

While playing bf 2042

[prime jasper]

Battlefield games run hard on the cpu, I won't be surprised if a 6 core cpu is going to be the minimum for a playable experience

[dry pike]

Ive been changing between Intel and AMD for ages. They are not that different that you need to keep to just one of them imo.

[quick locust]

I currently run AMD on my laptop and intel on my desktop

[fallen harbor]

who pinged me

[prime jasper]

Do a stress test on the cpu and gpu, normally no game exceeds the temps seen in stress tests as they are an artificial work load.

[quick locust]

Though I'd get Ryzen if I bought a CPU nowadays I guess

But my 8700K is still great after 4 years

[quaint topaz]

I'm happy 2042 is getting better DLSS support. BFV's DLSS integration is basically pointless, given that it's grayed out for me, for whatever reason If you run DLSS, you'll be good to go.

[light wave]

The 5900x is just so spicy

[keen oracle]

It goes mostly 75 degrees on cpu and 70 on gpu on stress test soo i guess i should be fine then

[quick locust]

Indeed

[prime jasper]

Yeah, that's not going to be an issue at all

[neon current]

The one thing I just don’t like about AMD is it’s a chore searching through the types of mobos

[quick locust]

I'd want one if I bought a CPU nowadays

[quaint topaz]

Did AMD ever come out with their DLSS alternative?

[quick locust]

FSR? Yes

[light wave]

Only 2 you should be concerned with are B550 and X570

[neon current]

Isn’t like called uhh FSR

[quaint topaz]

How does that run?

[quick locust]

Quite early so far though

[supple bane]

There are less amd mobo types than intel heh

[prime jasper]

Fsr, yes, but it utilizes a different tech than dlss

[neon current]

Yeah dw I didn’t go with those. I went with a Z590

[quaint topaz]

No machine learning?

[quick locust]

Decently, but its not DL and not hardware accelerated

[arctic crag]

It’s almost the same as dlss in performance

[storm osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDJxBykV1C0

[quick locust]

Everyone can use it though unlike dlss

[quaint topaz]

I remember sitting at the NVIDIA 2018 conference when they first announced the RTX series and I was DROOLING over the tech presentation.

[prime jasper]

"Whereas DLSS employs artificial intelligence and neural networks to achieve its goals, AMD is instead leaning on advanced spatial upscaling algorithms"

[neon current]

RTX is one of the greatest gimmicks Nvidia has ever had

[storm osprey]

personally, i think RTX is great

[quaint topaz]

Gimmick? Kinda. Revolutionary? Yes.

[supple bane]

Its getting there.

[light wave]

RTX Minecraft, yum yum.

[storm osprey]

its not a MUST HAVE, but its a damn good bonus for me

[supple bane]

More and more games are supporting dlss and raytracing

[neon current]

I call it a gimmick because Nvidia is always pulling something out of their sleeve

The magicians of GPUs

[prime jasper]

Its not a gimmick, but until the performance impact is small, it won't be used mainstream

[quick locust]

It's not something Nvidia started, but they've been doing well with it

[supple bane]

Not to mention the other tools that use the tensor cores like rtx voice

[storm osprey]

i think its unreasonable to ask for small performance impact for ray tracing..

[light wave]

Hell, even 90's era consoles are technically RT capable

[neon current]

The rumored Lovelace 40 series is pushing performance 100% or something faster than the 3090? Kind of insane if that rumor is true

[quaint topaz]

To be able to render path traced reflections and lighting REAL-TIME is a huge thing. While the performance hit is noticeable, think of how that'll become in a few generations.

[neon current]

I want to see ray traced PS2 games

[prime jasper]

Same way now that ssr has a small performance impact, people won't use the tech until they can run it comfortably. Also the most popular gpus aren't rtx cards, so it will take a minute for rtx to become mainstream

[light wave]

I hope the price tag of a 4090 wont exceed 2000€

[quaint topaz]

Quake with RTX is good

[quick locust]

Intel did RT in 2009 in a multiplayer game

[storm osprey]

cant wait to play metro exodus in full ray tracing

[neon current]

I will buy anything that gives me RTX Fear

[prime jasper]

Game?

[light wave]

Why must you do this to me

[quaint topaz]

Let me try to find a video of me shooting a reflection in BFV thinking that's an enemy 🤡

[neon current]

Fear

[neon current]

One of my favorite games I’m sorry Wilde

I consider it a technical masterpiece

[light wave]

It was

[neon current]

Just everything about it from mechanical animations (slide tackling)

To its lighting

[quaint topaz]

The moment I felt incredibly dumb. https://twitter.com/PeterSMK2/status/1235514363190140929

PeterSMK2 (@PeterSMK2)

Well that's embarrassing... Maybe I should start playing with RTX off 😂😂 #BattlefieldV #RTXOn https://t.co/gOno0pzTs3

Twitter · Mar 5, 2020, 10:35 AM

[neon current]

LOOOL

[quaint topaz]

I've done that a couple times, especially during the nvidia RTX event where we all sat down and played BFV with RTX enabled. Reflections were almost mirror like

[quick locust]

Metro exodus enhanced edition has option for full RT

If you want to demolish your framerate

[neon current]

Oh metro exodus is another game that kills it so well in RTX

[quick locust]

Even on my 2080 ti

[neon current]

I was happy I can play that game at like 95 FPS with full RTX

[quaint topaz]

Control runs like butter with RTX and DLSS

[storm osprey]

rtx version with dlss had good performance

[prime jasper]

One thing that games forget to realize is that cars / mirrors / windows get smudges, dirt, and grime on it. Especially cars are not perfect reflections.

[cloud solar]

i will never use dlss

[neon current]

Whenever someone talks about control. I just get reminded of one very important thing

[quaint topaz]

Wolfenstien Youngblood runs EVEN better. Almost no performance hit with DXR reflections. So good.

[storm osprey]

why? dlss is incredible...

[cloud solar]

not until i upgrade to at least 1440p

[neon current]

The most important thing about control is it could hint to Alan Wake 2

[light wave]

I hit my 3070 with it, fun times.

[quaint topaz]

I was averaging 100fps with MEIN LEBEN! settings in Youngblood. 1440p/2080 Ti

the most optimized game ive ever played

[quaint sleet]

hot

[quick locust]

I prefer not to use it unless I have to

[quaint sleet]

i dont like aa

dlss is just reverse aa

[cloud solar]

im on 1080p so dlss is gross looking for me

[storm osprey]

its free real estate

[quaint sleet]

but i like dlss more than i like 30fps

[quick locust]

:P

At least you're not at 10

4 GB vram moment

[prime jasper]

Rip 3050ti laptop

[quaint topaz]

DXR just... elevates everything. Doesn't elevate performance that's for sure. https://twitter.com/PeterSMK2/status/1269291736657952769

PeterSMK2 (@PeterSMK2)

#BattlefieldV - Chromed Finish Chauchat with #RTXOn https://t.co/CZinHWVBHU

Twitter · Jun 6, 2020, 3:35 PM

[light wave]

Pain

[storm osprey]

when you can turn down settings to get better fps but suddenly thats unacceptable

[cloud solar]

dude i think the fact that the 1060 out does it should be enough to say that its unacceptable

[quick locust]

People want everything maxed but then use dlss

[quick locust]

It's because of vram

[storm osprey]

its also a 3050 ti, its a tier down in terms of expectations

[quick locust]

When it's not running out it does better than 1060 by a decent margin

[light wave]

I wish we had Tsushima on pc

[prime jasper]

Just curious are we ever going to see budget gpus again after this shortage is over, like what happened to the $250 cards, I know inflation but still.

[cloud solar]

its running at 10 fps

[prime jasper]

^

[storm osprey]

now if a 3060 had less vram thats a problem

[cloud solar]

the 1060 is better than it

thats an issue

[storm osprey]

no its not

[quick locust]

In this game

[cloud solar]

YES IT IS LMAO

[neon current]

soon hopefully, that game was amazing

[quick locust]

Cause of vram

[light wave]

That game was the sole reason I got a PS5, to play it at 60fps

Sold the PS5

[cloud solar]

gotta pay extra for it

[light wave]

Then heard next gen version is coming, pain.

[prime jasper]

In games that are vram limited, the 1060 is better, but a 3050ti will still beat it in other games

[storm osprey]

at best you could expect a xx50 ti to match a xx60 from a previous generation

[quaint topaz]

Here's some Minecraft RTX. Scrumptious

[light wave]

Uhhh, you don't.

[neon current]

ghost of tsushima is an unforgettable experience imo.

[light wave]

Played Tsushima 60fps last Christmas

[quaint topaz]

Wouldn't mind playing this at 6 fps

[quick locust]

Because it's very expensive to do

[prime jasper]

Glad uncharted 4 is coming to pc

But I can't wait for tsushima

[cloud solar]

it actually runs a lot better than you think if you havent fully tried it yet

[toxic wigeon]

Honestly im gonna sit either at a 3060ti or a 3070

[light wave]

I'll get a 4k monitor just for that

[toxic wigeon]

Both seem pretty good and will last me more a long time

[storm osprey]

3060 ti is better value

at least in imaginary world where you can get anything for msrp

[toxic wigeon]

How long should either one of those last me?

[storm osprey]

depends on what you want out of them

[prime jasper]

Look how long the 1060 lasted

[cloud solar]

through the console generation at least

[quaint topaz]

Yeah I tried this in Germany in a very controlled environment where I had a developer babysit me and telling me to hold W to move. I'm like just let me enjoy the scenery pls

[quick locust]

Why Nvidia chose to have 16 GB vram on a laptop 3080 though I've no idea

[toxic wigeon]

Hmm....

Fair enough

[light wave]

I have a non LHR card, can't wait for the market to be populated with LHR cards more and more

[toxic wigeon]

By the way rtx chauchat looks beautiful

[storm osprey]

1080p 144hz? probably 5+ years as long as you can turn down settings

[light wave]

So I can trade mine to a card hungry miner

[cloud solar]

id even say 1440p

[neon current]

i genuinely think the only game that really gave me a sense of atmosphere besides GoT was RDR2

[storm osprey]

it can definitely do 1440p, but it wont last as long

[cloud solar]

1080p is just underestimating the 3060 ti

[toxic wigeon]

@quaint topaz reckon you can get me rtx chromed fg42? 👀

[quaint topaz]

boo not gonna launch the game now remind me later

[toxic wigeon]

LMAO

Do it at your convenience if you want, im really not concerned.

[neon current]

BFV looks good, but theres something about the art style of BF1 i cant shake honestly, i think that one hit me the most

[quaint topaz]

[toxic wigeon]

Whew

This sounds fucking dumb but I didn't even realise the german recon was black till late 2018

[cloud solar]

i wonder if theyll add or announce raytracing to 2042

[prime jasper]

Honestly, that reflection looks TOO good, a puddle never looks that perfect. It needs some inconsistency.

[cloud solar]

i wont be able to run it but itll be cool to see

[toxic wigeon]

You'd be surprised how good puddles can look

I can imagine them doing it sometime into it yeah

[quaint topaz]

Puddles can look good especially if not bothered.

[prime jasper]

True but this is a war with broken buildings and soldiers running through it

But I understand your point

[quaint topaz]

ill find more examples hold up

[toxic wigeon]

This may sound dumb but I cant wait for dynamic puddles

[toxic wigeon]

Throwing an explosive into one creating the splash effect

Oo

[prime jasper]

I would like that as well

[cloud solar]

i hope theres like dynamic terrain in 2042

[toxic wigeon]

Im not too super concerned, sorry. What's your estimate on how long it'll last.

[cloud solar]

idk if we have the power to do what i want to see with it though

[quaint topaz]

Reminds me of a graphical issue with nvidia cards in BF1's early days where puddles looked completely black so you're just staring into the void lol

[toxic wigeon]

I wouldn't care if the puddle was infinite just gimme cool effect

[neon current]

i like the tracks in snow

[cloud solar]

i want to be able to shoot a rocket from a jet at a cliff and cause a landslide of rocks or smth to fall and kill enemies below

too much for current technology probably

[quaint topaz]

That was the most unexpected and impressive thing about BFV's DXR integration. https://twitter.com/PeterSMK2/status/1243794409554153472

PeterSMK2 (@PeterSMK2)

Working mirrors in #BattlefieldV with #RTXON

While may not seem like whatever's being rendered in the mirror is highly detailed, but the technology is so fascinating to me... I can't wait to see how games would look like in 5 years from now. 👏
@Battlefield @NVIDIAGeForce https://t.co/lv6usKiETF

Twitter · Mar 28, 2020, 6:57 AM

[quick locust]

Not really

Just a lot of work potentially

[toxic wigeon]

Hey Peter reckon we can get some rtx for return to castle wolfenstein???

[arctic crag]

Rtx looks great and everything but the loss in performance is huge

[quaint topaz]

DLSS helps

[toxic wigeon]

In the future it'll be made standard

Well

Maybe

[cloud solar]

heard its not too bad on 3000 cards

[arctic crag]

Rtx is still in beta

[quick locust]

AMD still stink a bit in RT performance

[cloud solar]

yeah

[quaint topaz]

I mean yeah, I don't think any cards are coming out without DXR support. (Fun fact, Nvidia's 10-series support DXR, at 1-2 fps at native resolution).

[arctic crag]

AMD sucks when it comes to Gpus

[cloud solar]

but they showed that theyre capable of making it good with the new consoles so well have to wait for the rx 7000 gpus

[quick locust]

Nah they do fine

6000 series are good

[arctic crag]

Mate driver are far from stable

[cloud solar]

the 6000 gpus are better than the 3000 gpus in rasterized rendering

[quick locust]

There's also decent vulkan RT

[cloud solar]

and they fixed the drivers

[quick locust]

Drivers are fine

[supple bane]

the drivers have been fixed for a long time

[cloud solar]

youre thinking of the launch lol

[supple bane]

years, actually.

[cloud solar]

they got fixed fairly quickly

[quick locust]

Hope AMD adds FSR into proton

Nvidia is adding dlss to it

[supple bane]

they fixed their driver situation half way through the life span of rx 5000

[storm osprey]

3 years would be a safe bet, i expect at 5 youll start really considering an upgrade

[cloud solar]

i prefer the look of fsr to dlss tbh

[toxic wigeon]

Fair enough!

[prime jasper]

Someone made a open source fsr for proton, I think

[storm osprey]

of course theres no guarantee on this, vram requirements could jump up in 2 years and ruin that

[toxic wigeon]

By the way. Between the 1080ti and 3060ti. What's the difference?

[arctic crag]

My friend has an rx580 his game was unplayable after updating driver

[supple bane]

they are similar

[storm osprey]

3060 ti is faster unless you run into vram limitations

[supple bane]

but the 3060ti has less power draw. and has raytracing abilities

[prime jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGyba6E-Gfs

[toxic wigeon]

So more efficient

[neon current]

pretty much

[light wave]

Might be a local issue since it isn't a widely reported issue

[neon current]

i still think the best performance for the dollar amount is a 3080

[quick locust]

Eh not really

[storm osprey]

3060 ti is better, probably by 15% if i had to guess

[light wave]

I'm sure many people are running the latest drivers on 580's

[quaint topaz]

Deliver Us the Moon is also a great game with RTX. Runs very well.

[prime jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGyba6E-Gfs

[quick locust]

6700xt is better imo

[toxic wigeon]

Raytracing isn't my concern but a smaller power draw is attractive

[quick locust]

And 6800

[toxic wigeon]

Isn't the 6000 series better for 1080p

[quick locust]

Price to perf doesn't mean much rn though

[storm osprey]

yea

[supple bane]

yes, way.

[storm osprey]

equal at 1440p, nvidia leads at 4k

[cloud solar]

isnt this only bc they have dlss?

[storm osprey]

no

[cloud solar]

i thought it was

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah I was thinking if I wanted 1080 p power well... yeah that but with what I have, it's best to go for 30 series or some shit

[prime jasper]

Did you see the benchmark vid, I sent you, its not that big of a difference between a 1080ti vs 3060ti, in some games its not even worth upgrading. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugJhVsrjIsE

[storm osprey]

any reviewer i watched had DLSS off, for obvious reasons

[toxic wigeon]

Oh im sorry, no I didn't.

[supple bane]

you shouldnt buy anything other than current gen unless you are super tight on budget imo

[neon current]

yes the benchmark suggests

[supple bane]

because current gen will offer ALWAYS same or more performance for same or less money

[neon current]

but if you use RT obviously the 3080 kicks ahead

[quick locust]

Yeah, AMDs RT isn't that good yet

As shown in consoles as well

[neon current]

yeah they just havent perfected it

[toxic wigeon]

But yeah don't worry, I have an old amd 5800x pro card from the 2012's. You guys reckon a 3060ti is a worth while boost?

[neon current]

but if its off, then 6800 kicks ahead in 1080p

[storm osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAtsqtYIF5U&t=275s

[light wave]

I'd personally go for a 3070

[quick locust]

6000 series has lower bandwidth than 3080 up

[quaint topaz]

Watch Dogs Legion - For me some games are really worth playing at 50-60 fps to get that sweet sweet semi-photorealistc look.

[supple bane]

so way. when are you planning on getting this pc ?

[light wave]

Especially if you want to dabble in some VR

[quaint sleet]

objectively no, its the 3070 or 3060ti iirc

[toxic wigeon]

So I had another question, between the ryzen 5 and ryzen 7, is there really a big difference?

[toxic wigeon]

Im still going for the 5600x

But

[supple bane]

yes

[toxic wigeon]

Im just curious

[supple bane]

there is a big difference

[toxic wigeon]

Ahhh

[quick locust]

Depends what you're running

[supple bane]

5600x is 6c12t and 5800x is 8c16t for a start

[quaint sleet]

the big difference is literally 2 cores

[storm osprey]

(not worth the price difference)

[supple bane]

and more performance

[toxic wigeon]

I dont know that stuff granty

[supple bane]

its not worth the price difference no

[cloud solar]

to you maybe

[supple bane]

but there is a difference

[toxic wigeon]

Ahhh

[cloud solar]

some people might need the extra cores

[storm osprey]

to anyone just gaming...

[quaint sleet]

if you want the cores get the cores 🤷

[quick locust]

Most games don't take advantage of the two extra cores

But a lot of work tasks do

[cloud solar]

not yet at least

[neon current]

6900 competes with the 3090 at 1080p without RT, but then again obviously after RT is on, the 6900 just sleeps. Most of the AMD cards are real good this year if you're not going for RT

[storm osprey]

this isnt some niche statement, if youre just gaming the price increase from 5600x to 5800x is not worth it

[prime jasper]

Or dlss

[neon current]

Oh yeah whoops

i completely forgot about that

[quick locust]

Yeah

[neon current]

DLSS might pull 3090 ahead then

[toxic wigeon]

Coming from an AMD phenom 2 though, anything is worth it xD

[quaint sleet]

3700x is a great deal

[light wave]

It is, if you want to do some streaming on the side.

[toxic wigeon]

Not to say it's bad cause wasn't the phenom 2 actually pretty good for its time?

[storm osprey]

well yea, but that falls outside of "just gaming"

[quick locust]

Streaming you can also just use nvenc

[prime jasper]

@toxic wigeon I wouldn't upgrade from a 1080ti to a 3060ti as its not a big difference, I think a 3070 is the better choice

[quaint sleet]

get a used 3700x with a b550 or x570 -> upgrade to 5950x in like 5 years -> profit

[neon current]

I just think AMD excels mostly in CPU, but then they preform pretty good for GPU, its just whenever it comes to like the whole new idea for gaming, they tend to sleep

[toxic wigeon]

Ah yeah

[light wave]

I sometimes stream VR games over Discord and my friends want to watch, so nvenc isn't an option

[storm osprey]

3700x at 1080p is pretty meh though

[toxic wigeon]

As I've said earlier, I've got an old amd x5800 something and I talked to some people about a gpu around that power range

But yeah

[quick locust]

Well yeah, discord streaming..

[toxic wigeon]

I wouldn't mind putting in some money for a 3070

[prime jasper]

Oh, sorry then

[toxic wigeon]

Its fine!

Don't worry!

[quaint sleet]

Be happy!

[toxic wigeon]

Reeeeeee

[storm osprey]

you know whats not fine? way taking my #1 public chat count title...

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah YEAH

[supple bane]

take it back then

[toxic wigeon]

The future is now old man!

[storm osprey]

no

[supple bane]

get to spamming!

[toxic wigeon]

Talk more!

[storm osprey]

too many convos recently give me a headache

[toxic wigeon]

Don't blame you

[storm osprey]

or will get me muted

[quick locust]

Lol

[storm osprey]

best i just slow down for now

[light wave]

Completely understandable

[toxic wigeon]

So if I can, should I put some money into a ryzen 7 or keep with the 5?

[storm osprey]

5600x vs 5800x?

[toxic wigeon]

Ye

[storm osprey]

whats your use case?

[quaint sleet]

where 5700x

[toxic wigeon]

Practically every day

[storm osprey]

just gaming, streaming, video editing, etc?

[prime jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV2oZMUkRFg with a 3080 benchmark

[toxic wigeon]

When I get a better comp I'll be able to play beefier games

[quick locust]

In AMDs hidden treasure chest

[cloud solar]

should i go for the 6900xt

[light wave]

I'd say 5800x if you multitask a lot

Those 2 cores will definitely make your day better.

[pliant niche]

what games do you play?

[cloud solar]

idk if i should bc i have a feeling that they wont be put in stock as often as the 6800xt

[storm osprey]

yea, basically if youre only gaming and probably even streaming, 5600x is just fine

[prime jasper]

@toxic wigeon I don't see a big difference in games, honestly

[toxic wigeon]

That cpu usage tho

[storm osprey]

id personally put the 150 bucks saved from going 5800x into something like a gpu

[prime jasper]

^

[toxic wigeon]

Fair enough!

So 5600x and a 3070 pretty solid?

[prime jasper]

Yep

[storm osprey]

yeee

[toxic wigeon]

Sounds good. I might get a 3060ti or 3070 in the end we'll see.

[prime jasper]

Sounds great

[toxic wigeon]

Sorry. I barely know anything about computers so

[storm osprey]

apparently 5800x is 50 bucks off atm

[quick locust]

sounds decent

[prime jasper]

My question is that what gpu can match with my i5 9400f without introducing a huge bottleneck. I currently have a 1660 super

[storm osprey]

well at least on sale in usa

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah nah I'll have to spend a couple of months saving up

[cloud solar]

what you have now is a good pairing

[toxic wigeon]

I think he wants to upgrade

Right

He recently upgraded his CPU first so

[cloud solar]

you could probably bump it up to a 3060 without too much of a bottleneck

[prime jasper]

Yeah it's great, but I want to get a gpu with rtx/dlss and can last until mid current gen/next gen

[toxic wigeon]

Honestly. What shibe said, 3060 would probably do you well as it's not too much

[quaint sleet]

imo a 3070+ should last you at least 5 years

no need to update every gen

[prime jasper]

Would a 3060ti be fine as well, I don't want a 3060, I don't like the price to performance

[cloud solar]

yeah 3060 ti should be good too

[prime jasper]

Cool, I know what I'll get then, thanks!

[neon current]

A 3060ti is a good card

[toxic wigeon]

Its just a modern gen 1080ti that's a bit more efficient

[neon current]

You know what’s funny btw

[cloud solar]

the cpus are in stock but not the gpus

pain

[neon current]

3060 12 GB. 3080 10

[prime jasper]

No its a modern 1080 ti super max-q, lol

[light wave]

Quality over quantity

[toxic wigeon]

I just said that!

[prime jasper]

Yeah, I was just joking with their weird naming scheme lol

[toxic wigeon]

Haha

[neon current]

Nooo you can’t use logic in technology >:(

[light wave]

Watch me do it

[neon current]

Wilde ruining my clickbait post

[toxic wigeon]

How could you

[neon current]

What I can’t figure out is a 3070ti just a 3080

Like is it almost the same thing

[light wave]

Barely under

Kind of.

[neon current]

Yeah so it’s kind of the closest performance it seems in the entire line up

[light wave]

I just want 3090's to at least get near msrp

So I can yoink one

[storm osprey]

are you in stock drops?

[light wave]

No but I've got friends working in stores

[storm osprey]

BB just had a huge drop 1-2 weeks ago, and they had 3090s going into the next day

[light wave]

Also I'm a gold client in one of the local part shops, so I can see how many GPUs are in stock

[toxic wigeon]

How long does it take for gpus to fall under "regular" demand?

[storm osprey]

ah youre EU, idk the situation there

[storm osprey]

i say 2022 is likely

[toxic wigeon]

Ahhh

[light wave]

Possibly September-ish

[storm osprey]

like, regular being you can walk into a store without a concern of if stock is there

[neon current]

I was lucky to get mine at MSRP

[storm osprey]

same, i even got before tarrifs msrp too

[toxic wigeon]

What im thinking of doing is that when I have the money is checking a site religiously to see if they have the gpu I want in stock and order it, store it in a drawer and wait until I get my desktop

[prime jasper]

How btw?

[storm osprey]

join stock drops

[toxic wigeon]

?

[quick locust]

I've no reason to upgrade this gen luckily

[cloud solar]

im going to drive to microcenter for a gpu

[quick locust]

Hoping my gpu survives shortage cause there's zero stock here

[cloud solar]

actually the amount of money id spend on gas would make it cheaper to get it scalped

man i hate this

[neon current]

Microcenter

my friend bought one for me when he was out of state

[prime jasper]

Cries in microcenter 3 hours away

[neon current]

yeah im like 4 hours away

[cloud solar]

cmon

[neon current]

he called me when he was in the store and hes like "yeah i picked you up one, heading back now"

[prime jasper]

Not bad, wouldn't be a bad place to work

[cloud solar]

im gonna see how much a plane ticket is

[neon current]

based

[storm osprey]

i live in the 6th most populated city in usa, and we dont have a microcenter in our state...

[cloud solar]

200$ if i wanted to fly

not including food, hotel, and uber

so itd be like 500$ for the trip alone lmao

[prime jasper]

Not bad a 500 buck trip for a 400 buck graphics card, so 900 bucks in total

[cloud solar]

the 6800xt is 650$

even then i was considering going with the 6900xt

which is 1k

[toxic wigeon]

Fuck

[cloud solar]

but the performance increase doesnt seem worth it for the price

[prime jasper]

Even better, a $1150 dollar trip, very inexpensive

[toxic wigeon]

Do top end of the line gpus last long these days?

I know I asked this earlier but generally

How long will the 3080 last you cause if the 1080 lasted a long ass time then... you know?

[supple bane]

well you could still game at 1080p on a 980ti

[storm osprey]

mostly depends on your own expectations

[supple bane]

at like medium or high settings

and that came out in.. 2014?

[storm osprey]

i used a gtx 1080 for 1440p gaming for 5-6 years just fine because im ok with dropping settings

[cloud solar]

is stockx any good for ordering gpus

[toxic wigeon]

Well I meant the 1080ti but ye

[quaint sleet]

I had a 1070 and didnt even need to drop that much

[cloud solar]

i can get one for 1500 off stockx, idk if this site is a scam or not lmao

[prime jasper]

For a 3090?

[cloud solar]

6900 XT

[prime jasper]

Isn't that 500 over msrp?

[cloud solar]

500 over

[prime jasper]

Sorry I meant 500

[cloud solar]

its the same price as the 6800xt if i got it scalped

[prime jasper]

Not worth it honestly

[toxic wigeon]

3090S TI

[cloud solar]

i just wanna know if this site is a scam or not

[prime jasper]

I know its overpriced scalped prices but I don't know if its a scam

[cloud solar]

everything online says theyre really trustworthy

so apparently they have verification centers where they test and make sure your product is real before they send it to you

idk i might go for it

@quaint sleet idk why theyd lie about that

[quaint sleet]

🤑

[toxic wigeon]

Buy a mousemat and see where it gets you

Something cheap

[quaint sleet]

aint stonkx just ebay with extra hype?

scalpx

you'll probably get what you ordered but it's way above msrp right

[cloud solar]

yeah 500 over

but it at least seems to have a verification system unlike ebay

[quaint sleet]

where are you, ak?

[cloud solar]

????

[quaint sleet]

no best buy or microcenter near you?

[cloud solar]

thats like standard for scalp prices

[cloud solar]

18 hours from me

micro center

best buy never has anything ever

they are useless to me

[quaint sleet]

i got mine from BB

[prime jasper]

In person or online?

[quaint sleet]

online, jan 6th drop

then i picked up from store

[quick locust]

hm

stock

100+

[light wave]

That lhr 3090 makes me salivate.

[quick locust]

though no AMD cards in stock it seems rn

[light wave]

Market is flooding with amd cards here.

[quick locust]

here opposite rn

green flood

5 of these

better numbers

[wintry prairie]

Weird, I was pretty sure nVidia said 3090 would not be lhr . . .

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[latent light]

Maybe it's up to vendors

[quick locust]

It's not something vendors or aib can set iirc

I mean in first place

They can't do much without nvidias accept

[torn frost]

Lightweight mice > heavy mice

I used a g502 for two years and then went to lightweight

no going back

[molten coral]

G502 best mice

[fallen harbor]

does b360m ds3h have xmp

[molten coral]

this is on the gigabyte site: Support for Extreme Memory Profile (XMP) memory modules To support 2666 MHz or XMP memory, you must install an 8th Generation Intel® Core™ i7/i5 processor.

[fallen harbor]

ty

im dumb

couldnt find that

[molten coral]

https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Comparison/Result/2?pids=6511%2C6512%2C6540%2C6548

[torn frost]

try a lightweight mouse

[molten coral]

Lightweight mouse are usually small

G502 fits perfectly with my big hands and palm grip

[torn frost]

try the pulsar xlite

big mouse

very very light weight

also cheap

also roccat kpa

[molten coral]

roccat is the last brand I'll buy lol

and I hate mouse with holes in it

super uncomfortable

[torn frost]

what's wrong with them lmao

[torn frost]

pulsar xlite doesn't feel bad

[molten coral]

I tried a few roccat's back in 2015 but both times I had the issue of double clicking

So just stopped buying that crap

[torn frost]

new roccat mice must have better qc because I only hear good things about their new mice

the kpu and burst pro are both very well loved big mice with no holes

[molten coral]

I bought a G502 lightspeed (wireless) like half a year ago

still super happy with it

before that I've used the wired version for almost 5 years

[torn frost]

it is a good mouse I've tried the lightspeed

but man I'm telling you if you have a chance try a lightweight mouse on low sens for a bit

[molten coral]

Yeah don't think it really matters for me

as I use high sens

I mean in most games I move my mouse a few centimeter to do a 360

[torn frost]

damn

[plain stag]

im never going back to wired, got a g903, and its just amazing, had g502 before it

[short pier]

Hey guys I currently have a 3600 and a 1060 but I'm planning to upgrade my gpu. What is the strongest GPU I should pair the 3600 with

[plain stag]

you could be fine with a 3070

it shouldnt be that big of a bottleneck

[molten coral]

3070 would be perfect

[plain stag]

especially if you have your cpu overclocked a bit

then its pretty good

[short pier]

😏

Alright cool that's exactly what I was looking at

[plain stag]

maybe you can push it to a 3070ti