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#technology
supple bane
storm osprey
3600 is good, but unless you plan to upgrade soon i would get 10400/11400 personally
supple bane
yeah 11400f is probably the better choice
or 10400f
which ever is cheaper out of those two since they are the same cpu for all intents and purposes
lament flare
Is it a big different between 144 Hz and 240 Hz sceen?
supple bane
no
atomic jackal
3600 is good, but unless you plan to upgrade soon i would get 10400/11400 person...
i want an amd cpu though
storm osprey
then pay more for less performance
supple bane
yeah lmao
storm osprey
unless you live in some country with a weird market
atomic jackal
unless you live in some country with a weird market
kinda true haha
lament flare
unless you live in some country with a weird market
Yeah 15.6 inch with 240 Hz screen laptop is cheaper than 17.3 inch with 144 Hz screen laptop in my country.
supple bane
Is it a big different between 144 Hz and 240 Hz sceen?
do 1000 divided by the refresh rate to get the frame time in milliseconds, then see how the difference drops off drastically as refresh rate increases
atomic jackal
their prices are the same though, so why does it matter
storm osprey
well in most markets they arent the same
supple bane
because the 10400f or 11400f is faster
supple bane
do 1000 divided by the refresh rate to get the frame time in milliseconds, then ...
60 hz has a frame time of 17ms, 144hz is 7ms, 240hz is 4ms and 360 is 3ms
storm osprey
are cpus in short supply now too?
supple bane
so with every increase in refresh rate, the benefit gets smaller and smaller
storm osprey
xx400f were as low as 150 bucks, average about 180
supple bane
they are the same price as they always have been here
storm osprey
yea i just checked the price tracker and the prices are increasing
storm osprey
since the pc im buying only has ryzen cpus as options
well that would have been good to know...
atomic jackal
well that would have been good to know...
sorry for not letting you know earlier
storm osprey
so what do you already have?
supple bane
anyone will tell you to avoid prebuilts btw
atomic jackal
its not like i have a choice though
supple bane
why is that ?
supple bane
well i know quite a few people who started with a prebuilt my self included, and all of them regretted it after a few months
atomic jackal
he thinks that ill mess something up or stuff like that
supple bane
i regretted it too, big time
atomic jackal
i mean, most of friends bought from the site im planning to buy, none of them complained
supple bane
you wont realise how much you miss out on unless you learn about components performance and their prices
like if someone doesnt know anything at all about computers, they wont realise they they paid 1000 bucks for a pc that should have cost 700
atomic jackal
tbh, they actually sell the pc for cheaper
that is why im buying from there
its a weird situation here but yeah
supple bane
ok that cant be true lmao
its just not possible for a business to run off of losing money
unless they are getting profit from selling overpriced warranties
atomic jackal
i mean its on sale right now
normally its more expensive
thsts why i guess
and they are a distributor themselves so they can get away with getting it cheaper?
supple bane
that would have been good to mention 
atomic jackal
idk
its a %24 discount tbh
a really good deal imo
if only i could change the overpriced case
supple bane
im only speaking out of experience to avoid prebuilts
atomic jackal
its quite hard to be building it yourself now though, isnt it
hard to find cards and stuff
plus i just dont want the hassle of building it
sage flame
hi guys
my game feels less responsive
I feel the latency ,can someone help me out
I think it's bcoz I messed up with nvidia control panel
velvet lantern
what did you do?
velvet lantern
low latency only works with DX9 and 11
GPU scaling is mostly used for older games
are you playing older games?
@sage flame
prime jasper
old games
sage flame
bf4
prime jasper
I'm stuck in old games
velvet lantern
you dont need GPU scaling in that case
sage flame
low latency mode ON or OFF or ULTRA
velvet lantern
what DirectX is bf4 running on?
sage flame
11i guess
velvet lantern
if it's 9 or 11 you can try it out and see how it works. you can use it on DX12 as well but not really needed
sage flame
which latency mode do you suggest
velvet lantern
I don't use low latency mode so I'm not the guy to ask
sage flame
@velvet lantern should I use no scaling,full screen os aspect ratio
velvet lantern
yes
sage flame
I have 1920x1080 16:9
velvet lantern
go into shooting range and try out low latency mode to see if you feel any difference
sage flame
should I use no scaling for min latency or go with aspect ratio @velvet lantern
velvet lantern
should I use no scaling for min latency or go with aspect ratio <@33293170724438...
You literally have no reason to use GPU scaling. Turn it off and go into your bf4 settings and choose the aspect ratio your screen has. latency mode only works with dirextX9 and 11 but you will have to test that feature out yourself since to see if it makes any difference for you.
sage flame
You literally have no reason to use GPU scaling. Turn it off and go into your bf...
thanks
some say no scaling mode has lowest latency
is that true
velvet lantern
@sage flame what are your pc specs, what's your screen and what mouse n keyboard are you using?
velvet lantern
what's the latency on the screen?
sage flame
in-game?
sage flame
I never checked that
velvet lantern
lol you dont need gpu scaling and you REALLY do not need latency mode
sage flame
vg240ys
in my region they are few servers with low ping
and they too often get ddosed
so I'm forced to play in other region servers with high ping
so I can never use my system optimally
velvet lantern
you new to pc?
velvet lantern
okay well it's not your system that causes the latency unless you have made some other changes, have you gone into the Nvidia control panel and changed the settings to the right aspect ratio and hertz?
sage flame
I'll reset the 3d application settings tmrw
do you think I should use ULTRA OR NO latency mode
sage flame
and no scaling or aspect ratio
velvet lantern
no GPU scaling and use the resolution/aspect ratio the screen uses and make sure the pc outputs 165 hertz
velvet lantern
probably
sage flame
do you use user cfg
velvet lantern
nope
sage flame
do you suggest using it
velvet lantern
only thing I changed was resolution and hertz and then I tweaked the color/gamma myself to what I like
no not really
sage flame
render ahead limit 1 or 0
velvet lantern
I prefer looking up guides on what things are for and making my own decisions from there on
sage flame
mm
I'm just waiting for 2042
bcoz playing in a high ping server or a ddosed server sucks
sage flame
but there is no other game I find like bf
velvet lantern
dont you have clan servers in your region?
velvet lantern
oh damn yeah that really sucks
sage flame
I don't know y people ddos the only few servers left
we have like 5 or 7 active servers at most and they still ddos it
anyways hope you have a good day
good night
velvet lantern
cause hackers are the type of people that enjoy other people's frustration which is sick and twisted
you too man send me a message tomorrow if you need help
sage flame
ye I always see system msg on chat saying a player got banned global
nd then the ddos starts
thnks bye
gn
velvet lantern
gn
kindred plinth
yo so im trying to install bf4 and its stuck at "Downloading" but it isnt actually downloading. through ea play, I previously has to uninstall and try to reinstall since i was apparently missing msvcp120.dll
Any ideas on how to fix
kindred plinth
origin is acting like i dont already have ea play
heady pawn
Gaming Computers are too expensive these days
kindred plinth
its not that bad
latent light
sweet cloak
Hi this has happen again but setting it on across all games is no longer working anyideas
sour tinsel
Anyone know what bungee would fit the G502 Hero
young hearth
anyone got 59k I can borrow?
toxic zealot
https://en-us.sennheiser.com/sennheiser-he-1
and its probably not the best one
funnily enough
since this piece of equipement is more of a rich flex
than functional gear
turbid verge
Afaik most people who tried it said it was one of the best pieces of audiophile equipment out there
Even linus
Plus its sennheiser, the company that loses money on each headphone sale to the point the company was recently sold to a switz company that produces audio devices for deafen people
prime jasper
STRAIGHT UP
visual quail
is an i5-2400 still good today?
midnight crypt
Well depends on what kinda games you play
supple bane
anything remotely modern or demanding will stutter and just be a bad time
latent light
M.2 2230 SSDs most common in OEM computers
Hardly see them ever being sold as a DIY part
versed venture
Can someone tell me if the specs that I picked for are good it’s my first time building one
terse stirrup
One message removed from a suspended account.
prime jasper
Guys I need your help now! I updated the drivers yesterday and when I tried to play bf4 the game did not fit me, it got on the loading screen and it stayed stuck there. Well I was able to solve that problem the problem is that now when I enter a game in the game it takes me out of 3 minutes out of nowhere and before that did not happen
:,(
marsh gull
Can someone tell me if the specs that I picked for are good it’s my first time b...
ok what's your specs and at what price?
marsh gull
Not unless you tell them
lmao
slow crown
guys i got a question, can ur pc go back to normal like the first time u bought it after doing all the reboot and factory reset?
marsh gull
guys i got a question, can ur pc go back to normal like the first time u bought ...
yes
kinda
in the software erea
marsh gull
u sure things will go back to normal from the start? im scared if it lags lol
it will lag if it is a faulty installation
there's a chance (very small)
marsh gull
u sure things will go back to normal from the start? im scared if it lags lol
it cannot lag except if your hardware is faulty
slow crown
fairs man, thanks
toxic zealot
is an i5-2400 still good today?
No
@quick locust so easy that most are out of stock
There being 1 randomly doesnt mean its readily avaiable
i dont know even wherre they sell them in my country
quick locust
Won't be large problem for most users
My main ssd has 15000 hours and its dramless
Though it varies per drive obviously
latent light
I have a WD Black 256GB NVMe from 2017, HWinfo64 reports the drive has 94% life left
How accurate is that reading tho
prime jasper
NVME being dramless doesn’t matter a lot for the longevity of the drive
For sata it mattered
But with NVME it barely matters that much
subtle hinge
Sab
gray nacelle
Is anyone able to help me chose ram? I am confused about the 4 sticks or 2 sticks..
proud trellis
would you guys say that 40-50 degrees for a gpu is normal when idle ?
midnight crypt
Depends on what gpu
supple bane
would you guys say that 40-50 degrees for a gpu is normal when idle ?
in this heat. yeah
mine at fucking 50% fan speed
midnight crypt
And ye ambient temp
supple bane
ambient temp and gpu temp are generally 1:1. if your air increases by 1 degrees the gpu will increase by 1 degrees
supple bane
i have an air conditioned room so ive been able to run away and cool off, but i could imagine how much it would suck without it
my office was basically uninhabitable in the summer before i got AC
proud trellis
i have all of my windows open and its doing nothing because their is no wind outside
quick locust
Idle temp also depends on whether it does zero rpm mode
quick locust
tak, what is that weeb pfp?!
Lul
Cause of some servers I'm in
But the previous was a Power 10 cpu
They are pretty cool
runic valve
Let's play a game, scam or no scam
alpine haven
For $100, who cares?
proud trellis
Let's play a game, scam or no scam
no scam it is a 3060 ti 
runic valve
I'm so tempted to drop the cash on it just to see
I am so morbidly curios
Like what if it's real
molten coral
99,9% it's fake
proud trellis
it doesnt even say founders edition
supple bane
its probably like those wish scams
supple bane
youll just get send a gtx 560
runic valve
Yeah
I could just refuse the charge with my bank
That's risky since my bank kinda sucks
proud trellis
i still want to sell this 1050ti i have but i dont know if its even real lol
supple bane
i swear man...
how many times have i told you to install gpu z and check
it must be over 5 times now
proud trellis
you have never said that to me i dont think 
runic valve
You could literally just type hardware into your desktop search bar
chrome skiff
he has
supple bane
i 100% have
chrome skiff
^
proud trellis
nvm then
molten coral
supple bane
it would probably take you 15 seconds
install tiny application, open application, done
oh wait youd need to put the gpu in too, i forgot about that
make it 3 minutes then
proud trellis
i will just do it tomorrow because i just want to chill rn
latent light
latent light
Steam Deck gonna rely heavily on AMD FSR
lunar bronze
can someone help me using ctr 2.1
marsh gull
oh wait youd need to put the gpu in too, i forgot about that
no for me it automatically detected it
nocturne jacinth
Hallo
latent light
Igors Lab released BIOS for AMD RX 6000 series GPUs that removes the clockspeed limit
latent light
Ryzen 3 4100, Ryzen 5 4500 and Athlon 4100GE have been spotted
Low-end Zen2 refresh
short pier
What the difference between the refreshed Zen 2 and Zen 2
latent light
Clockspeeds
Marginal increase
So RTX 2000 Ti were faster than 2000 Super but with Ampere, RTX 3000 Super is faster than 3000 Ti
There won't be a 3080 Super
Well there could be but there's no point to it
I just wanna see a 3070 Super with a 3080 chip
GA103 chip confirmed
supple bane
nvidia making there naming schemes more and more confusing as usual
2 generations have had super slower than ti, now they just suddenly reverse it
latent light
I learned more about it
3070 Super to be based on GA103
Whole new chip that's not present in any current products
dry pike
It's easier to trick the consumer if it's not clear what they are buying 😄
dry pike
I will guess 10-12GB memory if 3070 super ever becomes a thing. 16GB would make it equal to a 3080ti and would make it positioned weirdly in the lineup.
latent light
GA103 can only have 16GB VRAM because 256-bit memory bus
Can't be 10-12GB
3070 Super is gonna invalidate the 3080 imo
Slightly slower but 6GB more memory
dry pike
GA103 can only have 16GB VRAM because 256-bit memory bus
You can always have less memory. How do you come to that conclusion?
toxic zealot
12gb should be standard
8gb shouldnt be even an option in 3080
can get bottlenecked
dry pike
8gb shouldnt be even an option in 3080
3070 + ti has 8GB, 3080 has 10GB, 3080 ti has 12GB. GrimAce says that the rumored 3070 would have 16GB memory, which I don't agree with.
latent light
It's definitely not gonna have 8GB
dry pike
8GB faster memory or 9, maybe 10GB would make sense. I don't think they would go over 10GB due to 3080.
latent light
RTX 4000 gets announced Q3 2022 while 3070 Super like 2021 Q4 to 2022 Q1
Dude the 3060 has 12GB while 3060Ti has 8GB
dry pike
Sure. But if the speculated 3070 Super is going to use GDDR6X due to it being GA103 then I don't think 12GB is likely.
latent light
GA103 chip has 256-bit bus, therefore you can only choose between 4/8/16/32GB
GA106 chip (RTX 3060) has 192-bit bus, which only allows for 3/6/12/24GB
toxic zealot
still to this day have no clue why there are so many different buses
plain stag
because of different memory configurations
toxic zealot
plain stag
theres a very marginal increase in performance frmo 240 to 360
toxic zealot
not the point
plain stag
and the tradeoffs are usually not worth it
toxic zealot
50% up famerate doesnt matter
if the frames literally are more blurry
and the picture quality looks worse overall usually
thats why i was so skeptic about 240 when it first came out
plain stag
Thats due to monitor response times
The panel response time needs to keep up with the refresh rate
And monitors that use cheaper 360hz capable panels might not have fast enough response times
toxic zealot
the best picture quality displays prob max out at 120-144hz rn
plain stag
Higher can be achieved
plain stag
Gigabyte 170hz monitors have good picture quality and good enough response times to keep up
toxic zealot
also i would imagine
putting best panel and upping its capability to 240hz cost shitton
plain stag
M27Q from gigabyte is prob the best value 1440p monitor right now
toxic zealot
hmmmmm
toxic zealot
lmao
that poor man hdr certificate
why companies even bother with below hdr10 certs
plain stag
Marketing
toxic zealot
bruh 170hz ,ips 140% srgb
plain stag
As long as it accepts hdr signal they are gonna put an hdr sticker on the box
toxic zealot
how is its contrast consistency
im not into panels for quite a while but there was also panel response time from grey to grey or something like that
the true response time measurement i guess
plain stag
Gray to gray is like 2ms
But you better look at black to black
Which is about 9ms on that monitor
toxic zealot
thats pretty good
plain stag
They all measure gray to gray cuz its a lower number therefore better marketable
toxic zealot
from what i remember random china panels could go as high as 30ms
plain stag
M27Q is great
As long as you don't use for a lot of text consumption
Cuz it has a BGR pixel layout
plain stag
BGR isnt that bad
Pixel density is fine
So its not a terrible issue
And clear text utility can mostly fix it
plain stag
I have a 55 cx
plain stag
What an amazing tv
plain stag
They are pretty similar
I think cx has slightly higher brightness
But overall
Both great
toxic zealot
c9 has higher brightness i think?
plain stag
It shouldn't cuz cx has a newer panel i think
dry pike
GA103 chip has 256-bit bus, therefore you can only choose between 4/8/16/32GB
As far as I know there's no cards that use GA103, 3080+3090 series cards is GA102, 3070 series cards are GA104. If supers are the first to use GA103 then it could easily have a weird bus width that would allow for funny memory sizes that would make it fit in the product line-up.
toxic zealot
It shouldn't cuz cx has a newer panel i think
yea cx has more
c9 has better gray to gray uniformity
black uniformity
viewing angle
latent light
plucky token
pulsar smelt
Gpu memory restriction should be set on or off?
upper oxide
Hey I need some advise, I need a external hard drive for my Xbox series S and there is a seagate 1TB SSD but 1TB is way too less for me, does someone know a different hard drive that is like 2TB and is fast enough to have the Series X/S game versions install in the external as well?
valid portal
Hey I need some advise, I need a external hard drive for my Xbox series S and th...
any SSD suerly
digital hill
https://www.tomshardware.com/amp/news/intel-core-i9-12900k-alder-lake-cpus-1000-...
Jeez I build a ryzen pc with that amount of money
nova yew
u are comparing a budget pc to the highest end cpu intel has allegedly made yet
digital hill
True but I mean is it 7nm yet or no?
nova yew
i'd imagine the chinese merchants would take a bit extra for a cpu that cant be officially bought yet
digital hill
Yeah
nova yew
"Apparently, the anonymous seller is only willing to sell the Alder Lake qualification samples in bulk — 100 units is the minimum order."
now that made me think hes not selling anything real at all
100 is a pretty absurd minimum amount
last fable
Hi guys! Is it possible to reduce ping in battlefield using windows settings or programs?
near rune
play servers with lower ping
last fable
play servers with lower ping
it's obvious. What about ping reduction settings?
dry pike
To reduce ping my best advice is: don't use your internet 100%, always make sure BF has the bandwidth it needs. Besides that, don't trust programs or changes to Windows settings.
And play wired if possible.
last fable
thx
deft crow
toxic zealot
Neural network trained on shitton of data
dry pike
My standard tablefan made too much noise so found an old USB cable and case fan, soldered the 2 things together, now I got a very quiet deskfan ^^
plucky token
orchid folio
wise harbor
fallen harbor
any news about the chip crisis?
or about cryptocurrency?
anything about the gpu pricing?
plucky token
fallen harbor
vast valley
any news about the chip crisis?
Last I heard, they're ramping up production on chips.
proud trellis
is anyone elses cable management really bad ?
proud trellis
hello ice my boy how is it rolling
im really hot and im not very happy rn
storm osprey
im really hot and im not very happy rn
temp??
proud trellis
its just to hot and i have been trying to do my cable management for the past 40 mins and its just really annoying me
storm osprey
...
proud trellis
dont say that thats not hot please
storm osprey
you know im averaging 40.5c?
proud trellis
im good 
storm osprey
cmon bruv
proud trellis
just stop please nyphon 
storm osprey
sus
proud trellis
i also managed to clean all my fans in my case today and i hope this makes some temp differences
there are 3 fans that were all proper dusty but now they are nice and clean
storm osprey
did you use a leaf blower?
storm osprey
you fancy huh?
proud trellis
no
supple bane
i also managed to clean all my fans in my case today and i hope this makes some ...
sadly it wont
unless it was so caked on it was slowing the fans down, which i doubt
your computer isnt even old enough for that to happen
it can also make a difference if it builds up in heatsinks or radiators
proud trellis
oh
atleast my pc looks alot cleaner ig
there was still a decent amount of dust on my fans
fallen harbor
id recommend not using hair dryer unless it has non-hot mode
proud trellis
yeah i put it cold as possible
fallen harbor
and idk about paint brush but isnt it too harsh for circuits?
supple bane
using it on fans is fine
fallen harbor
id really never use it on circuits
proud trellis
i used it on my motherboard mainly around where my gpu sits
proud trellis
it was a pretty soft brush though
storm osprey
just wear a livestrong bracelet
supple bane
ive heard vacuuming a pc is bad for the same reason
good ol static
but its not something i worry about with modern components
proud trellis
i am never using a vacuum again near my computer
i used it on my headset the once and it fucked it up, dont know if it was just a coincidence but yeah
supple bane
i mean after i saw the video from LTT about him trying to zap OLD components with static, i really think you should have to try hard, really purposefully hard to kill a modern part with static
storm osprey
yea i dont get how people are concerned about static going through the air
proud trellis
would static be the reason my pc freezes ? or is that something different
proud trellis
no
proud trellis
i just realised aswell
when i was cleaning my computer i could of put that 1050ti in to check if it is a 1050ti
ffs
latent light
chrome skiff
when i was cleaning my computer i could of put that 1050ti in to check if it is ...
or download gpu z and let it tell you what it is. Like Granty and I have said before or physically take it out what ever seems easier to you
proud trellis
thats what i was on about
storm osprey
this sounds like its an extra gpu that says its a 1050 ti but he doesnt believe it?
supple bane
or download gpu z and let it tell you what it is. Like Granty and I have said be...
He only has one pc. So he needs to put the 1050ti in his pc to run gpu z
/his pc has a 1660 super. The 1050ti is spare
arctic crag
Is it safe to clean pc with compressed air
prime jasper
yeah it is fine to clean it
prime jasper
Technology
quick locust
Indeed
digital hill
Nope not at all worth it
stable mountain
it helps a bit, but not enough to be worth it
if you're laptop isn;t running at full tilt yet. do that first
arctic crag
Well it first depends on your laptop cooling system,Second in the best scenario you will get 5 degrees C cooler
stable mountain
full tilt essentially means that it's cooling as hard as it can. fans spinning at their maximum speed
the main benefit a cooling pad has is lifting your laptop off the table so it has more airflow under it
supple bane
yeah because there is nothing to fix on windows
quick locust
toxic zealot
toxic wigeon
How do the bios updates work?
plucky token
There is only one way to find out.. looking in the manual
Depends from manufacturer how it works
opaque saddle
you use your usb to update your bios
supple bane
How do the bios updates work?
why are you asking ?
opaque saddle
however, some board manufacturers may give 2 bios in built, one allowing you to flash back to the original version as a backup, the other one is where you are using it for the whole time. Basically it just save the files to transfer from USB to the storage chip from the motherboard
toxic wigeon
why are you asking ?
I found a pc part picker thing and I'm just wondering what's up with it
toxic wigeon
Ye
opaque saddle
got it
supple bane
my guess is ryzen 3000 chip on b450 ?
opaque saddle
you know what
supple bane
or similar ?
toxic wigeon
5600x with a520
supple bane
yeah they should be fine, but i wouldnt recommend an a520 board for a 5600x
go for a b550
toxic wigeon
Ehhh... is there really any difference
supple bane
yes
opaque saddle
coz you are saving 30 bucks for bad quality board
if you use it for gaming, you won't notice much difference. However, the longevity and reliability tells the differences
toxic wigeon
Alright alright
opaque saddle
anyway if you really want to save money tho, i reckon you shall go for a store for a prebuilt computer, which can save you more
located in Adelaide tho, so you can pick that up from home
supple bane
toxic wigeon
Yeah
opaque saddle
what is your budget again?
toxic wigeon
2000-2500
opaque saddle
thats a lot man
toxic wigeon
I have two different plans.
Get a prebuilt with a 2060 and 5600 and be done with it or.
Buy a desktop without a graphics card and find a 1080 ti in the market place
toxic wigeon
Im not concerned about a 30 series
opaque saddle
i will be if i were you
supple bane
that is a pretty bad paring imo, but yes you should get a 30 series card for that money
toxic wigeon
I mainly game on my xbox and the most I want to play is new vegas and planet coaster with a bit of power behind it
opaque saddle
especially you spent 1000 more than others
supple bane
why spend so much then?
toxic wigeon
Just have something that will last me
supple bane
you could get something for 800 pounds, 1500 aud that would last you
strong breach
i'd also recommend a 30series card of whatever fits the budget
opaque saddle
I have two different plans.
Get a prebuilt with a 2060 and 5600 and be done with...
and what if i told you this specs (or similar) only cost 1100 AUD with premium parts (branded, like MSI, ASUS cards)?
toxic wigeon
How do you do so
modern gull
Talking about gpu's it was my first time updating a gpu firmware yesterday
toxic wigeon
The link me ig
supple bane
Talking about gpu's it was my first time updating a gpu firmware yesterday
firmware? as in bios ?
ive never heard of "gpu firmware"
opaque saddle
it has expired but don't worry. i reckon another deal will show up soon Bodie
toxic wigeon
Im not overly concerned in power. 1080ti is the furthest I want and thatll be enough.
modern gull
ive never heard of "gpu firmware"
Or gpu bios*
modern gull
card still working? <:Noice:562440518869581849>
opaque saddle
16:9 2560x1440?
supple bane
https://tenor.com/view/pc-fire-gif-18709628
i hope thats not the case 
modern gull
Rezisable bar
opaque saddle
i reckon he has chosen a board that shows a warning message there
supple bane
ah
opaque saddle
saying... it may not be compatible or something
modern gull
I haven't upgraded my motherboard yet tho, bios is still in beta for that feature so i will wait until out of beta
supple bane
but dont you have an intel+nvidia build ? i thought resizable bar was an amd thing
toxic wigeon
what monitor res do you have?
Yes, 2560 by 1440
modern gull
but dont you have an intel+nvidia build ? <:Thonk:562440524754321418> i thought ...
No that is a nvidia feature 
opaque saddle
you need 3000 series nvidia gpu tho...
modern gull
I think amd might have something similar 
opaque saddle
coz i assumed you got a 144hz monitor, right?
supple bane
oh isnt amds called smart access memory?
yeah i got them the wrong way round i think
opaque saddle
@toxic wigeon Anyway I cannot find the one with 5600 on it because it has expired unfortunately. shall wait for another week also to see if they got that available tho
supple bane
I think i'd got a 3080 if i had 1440p or higher
erm. a 3060 is more than capable of 1440p
toxic wigeon
Alright
supple bane
oh your talking about yourself
modern gull
erm. a 3060 is more than capable of 1440p
Well yes but to keep high frames 😛
supple bane
well im on a 2070 (equivilant (slightly faster) than a 3060)) and it handles 1440p just nicely
opaque saddle
which is 700 AUD cheaper than buying it individually
modern gull
well im on a 2070 (equivilant (slightly faster) than a 3060)) and it handles 144...
Mhm should be. I mean i could have gotten a 1440p+ monitor with my 3070 but decided to keep 1080p, then i get higher fps longer at max graphics
opaque saddle
you want a solid 144hz rather than dropping frames 144hz
the problem is that, a 3080 is so powerful and it can handle 144hz very easily. (unless for some ridiculous settings)
supple bane
well yeah you play with raytracing on on bfv so i imagine a 3080 on 1440p would be a nice touch
opaque saddle
well not on MP tho
supple bane
although i do get playable performance with my 2070 at 1440p ultra raytracing enabled, if 50 fps is considered playable
i was talking about klikard
opaque saddle
i got 45fps at 1440p. sometimes it dropped to 0. yeah i know
modern gull
although i do get playable performance with my 2070 at 1440p ultra raytracing en...
I disabled DXR in bf5, materials don't look that good to be honest
supple bane
oh. good stuff
modern gull
Looks unrealistically shiny at times
opaque saddle
i have set everything on low in bfv lol
supple bane
same here
modern gull
lul
supple bane
i prefer the fps any day of the week
modern gull
the problem is that, a 3080 is so powerful and it can handle 144hz very easily. ...
If you have slow cpu you might not reach 144 fps that easy tho
opaque saddle
unless you are talking about quad core i7
modern gull
i prefer the fps any day of the week
As long as i have my monitor refresh rate i am happy
supple bane
i cant hold 144 hz because of my cpu in bfv, my gpu is capable of it though
opaque saddle
i would prefer it can run min of 144hz, rather than maximum and unstable 144hz
coz either CPU or GPU will be running at 99% for most of the time, which you don't want that to be happening
supple bane
in intense situations my gpu drops to like 50% usage because of my cpu, and even at its peak its like 70% usage
whilst my cpu is high 80s or 90s
opaque saddle
did you get the 2nd gen ryzen?
opaque saddle
yeah i remember that
modern gull
coz either CPU or GPU will be running at 99% for most of the time, which you don...
If you want alot of fps you would want your gpu to constantly be able to run close to 100%
supple bane
its more than enough in any other game, its only bfv that its a bottleneck in
opaque saddle
If you want alot of fps you would want your gpu to constantly be able to run clo...
i was talking about a game running at 144hz, not max fps as possible
modern gull
Ah i see
opaque saddle
was running bfv with a gtx 960 and quad core xeon
modern gull
Oh
opaque saddle
both of the CPU or GPU was running at 99-100%
modern gull
Well seems they reached their limit then
opaque saddle
so it is like... cpu at 100% and gpu at 99%. or CPU at 99% and GPU at 99%-100%
this is the max fps that it can run... 74hz at 1080p low settings
Rotterdam
modern gull
I see
dim mauve
Instead of turning down graphics, I change the resolution modifier to 85-90%
dry pike
Instead of turning down graphics, I change the resolution modifier to 85-90%
That is turning down the graphics 😄
fallen harbor
lowering the resolution scale is like
the worst thing
id rather go all low with 100% res
dim mauve
That is turning down the graphics 😄
i meant going from medium -> low
and ur not gonna notice changing the resolution from 100 -> 90%
post processing effects u can see the difference pretty clearly
dry pike
and ur not gonna notice changing the resolution from 100 -> 90%
Oh yes I am, I would rather go from medium to low than go lower than 100% resolution scale
dim mauve
bro what
opaque saddle
UI will remains at the resolution you have set
dim mauve
u can notice going from 1440p to 1080 but not 1440p to 1300p lmao
opaque saddle
if you have changed the res to "anything lower than 100%"
fallen harbor
i can notice 90%
maybe not like a giant thing in a second, but i can clearly see it after a short time
my bfv used to set its res scale to around 90% automatically for some reason and it was always annoying
anybody knows what gpu is similar to that of the steam deck?
like, what would you compare it with?
just to have an idea
chrome skiff
it's a little unknown right now since memory really affects apu performance. It's just under 2tflops which idk any gpu tflops off hand to compare it too
well googling a 960 is 2.4 tflops so a little slower then a 960
quick locust
Tflop is not very useful
echo remnant
You have to consider the architecture difference
quick locust
Not in gaming
echo remnant
^
latent light
RDNA2 gaming performance is usually better than what TFLOP suggests
However, not the same for Nvidia
echo remnant
Idk
Bc my base 1660 can outperform my friends 980ti and both have similar tflops
Architecture Important period
latent light
980Ti on average is 10-15% faster than a 1660 tho
echo remnant
You wouldn't use a 4 cyl engine from a model t in a modern car even if it has the same number of cylinders are ur compact the efficiency in the newer engine is better
latent light
In gaming
chrome skiff
Okay I mean tflops is a measurement for performance it compares to operations. 1 tflop is 1 trillion calculations. It's a perfect example of what to expect. Flops for compute and shader output but also the reason why we have certain gpus with a certain amount of vram or memory for what the gpu is capable of. You asked a question and apparently everyone is an expert on tflops
echo remnant
I think it really depends on how far ur pushing your card
An overclocked 980ti might be faster in some things but drivers are also a key note
latent light
Yeah 1660 will probably get very close to a 980Ti in new DX12 titles
echo remnant
Just think as gpus need less power and become more efficient we might see handhelds just as powerful as a top end system
latent light
1660 has only half the memory bandwidth of the 980Ti so expect the 980Ti to perform decently better at higher graphic settings or resolution
echo remnant
I wonder how close the super comes in
Think the gddr6 memory could make a difference?
opaque saddle
SUPER is usually marketed between the original card and the next tier up
latent light
For Turing, RTX 2000 Ti was a higher tier than 2000 Super
But for Ampere, 3000 Super is better than 3000 Ti
opaque saddle
like 2070S > 2070 > 2060S >2060
i remember the SUPER cards are the stripped down version of the upper tier cards
echo remnant
But when we getting that 3050 tho
latent light
3050 is a disappointment, only 4GB VRAM on 128-bit bus
3050Ti will have 4GB as well
latent light
Seems like they don't care for low-end at all anymore
dry pike
For Turing, RTX 2000 Ti was a higher tier than 2000 Super
But for Ampere, 3000 S...
Too early to say. Only rumors at this point.
opaque saddle
it is like 1060 with 3gb ram but worse
latent light
Pre marketing at this point
dim mauve
4xxx cards moment
latent light
They wanna make a card that's almost as fast as the 3080 but have 16GB memory, so they can beat out the RX 6800 and even 6800XT
It's several months away tho
By the time that gets announced we will be seeing Ampere Next leaks
storm osprey
well usa had a pretty big in store drop at best buy
seems a lot of people are actually getting cards, with even 3070 and 3090 being left over
chrome skiff
we just had a restock today and there was 20 people waiting and I still got in and got a 3070 with some left over. Nature is healing
storm osprey
unfortunately my local bb that said they would have stock and give tickets at 730 either didnt get cards or they gave out tickets last night
latent light
3080 and 3080 Ti in lower stock than 3070 and 3090?
quick locust
Just think as gpus need less power and become more efficient we might see handhe...
Good luck with thermals and power
If anything GPUs have went up consistently in power consumption
Besides some few examples
latent light
Tbh the Steam Deck is awesome for what it is since it supports super sampling
Despite GTX 1050 level performance
It's gonna rely a lot on FSR imo
It will be decades before handheld is as powerful as a high-end tower computer
storm osprey
being 720p helps too
quick locust
It will be decades before handheld is as powerful as a high-end tower computer
They won't be unless someone breaks thermodynamics
storm osprey
if i didnt own a switch i would get a steam deck
latent light
Steam Deck GPU is 8-CU RDNA2 clocked at up to only 1.6 GHz
I feel like Ryzen 6000 APUs are gonna be very good
Xbox Series S is 20-CU RDNA2 at 1.55 GHz
APU for Series S only consumes 50 watts iirc
Put a damn PCIe slot on it
arctic crag
Steam deck is basically a small pc for 400$ 64gb in my opinion what the shit valve who would buy that?I mean at least Nintendo has some exclusives like super smash bros and more but steam only steam library
storm osprey
considering the pre orders are sold out apparently a bunch of people would buy that
and steam deck doesnt only have steam library, its a pc you can install other launchers as well
its also not "Basically a small pc" it is a portable pc that can also be a normal pc... you can even install a new OS on it
supple bane
Yeah its competition isnt the switch
Its other portable pc's
Because the switch is a console. This isnt imo
latent light
GPU in Samsung Galaxy S22 rumored to be almost equivalent to a GTX 950 in rasterization
Hard to compare tho because ARM
toxic zealot
mobile games are so trash
Who cares anyway
popular game ripoofs with lootboxes and pay2wins
storm osprey
brawl stars is incredible
dim mauve
if ur 12 yeah
funny how in samsung phones theyre bragging about their cooling chamber for gaming
storm osprey
im 30, brawl stars is great
supple bane
funny how in samsung phones theyre bragging about their cooling chamber for gami...
whats wrong with that ?
dim mauve
storm osprey
its edgy teen hour where hating on meaningless shit is "cool"
storm osprey
its a light moba...
toxic zealot
but thats what im talking about
mobile market is for stealing kids money
or rather their parents
storm osprey
... what product doesnt do that?
toxic zealot
there are very few games ported from pc that are good
toxic zealot
... what product doesnt do that?
do i have to list half of my steam library
storm osprey
how many games in that list did you not pay for outright or dont have a cash market in it?
toxic zealot
i didnt pay outright for many games
but what does it change
thats on me that im poor fuck
storm osprey
a vast majority of games are trying to make money buy either a standard entry price or with a mtx portion
toxic zealot
sure
storm osprey
you say "steal money from kids", when a vast majority of games intentions are to at least make some money, at the very least to keep support up for said game
toxic zealot
but good games include dlc in deluxes
storm osprey
thats not how that works at all but ok
storm osprey
thats fine, at least its not as juvenile and ill thought out as yours
toxic zealot
but mobile devs
will do the least work
put in some nice art
loot crates
you dont even have any clue how many years of work it takes to make doom eternal
and how many fucking weeks it takes to make your shitty mobile game
storm osprey
and doom eternal is a game that you pay for up front... while shitty mobile games that take a week are likely free to download with optional bs cash options
toxic zealot
50$ is a steal for AAA games they can only get away with it because of marketing
toxic zealot
and doom eternal is a game that you pay for up front... while shitty mobile game...
yea and you brough up that deluxe versions arent any different
storm osprey
... you brought it up?
toxic zealot
oh i forgot
thought that you gonna compare deluxes to lootboxes hazard that should be banned
"you say "steal money from kids", when a vast majority of games intentions are to at least make some money, at the very least to keep support up for said game"
storm osprey
yea all i was saying is that most games try to offset the cost of creating a game somehow, which you have some random internal formula that says if its "stealing from kids" or not
whereas most of the time its just paying/supporting a product
storm osprey
yes there is..
arctic crag
Why does the digital copy cost the same as the physical one?
prime jasper
Why does the digital copy cost the same as the physical one?
because EA love monar
storm osprey
how much of the 60 dollars do you think goes into making the game physical?
arctic crag
because EA love monar
Not EA only mate 99% of game industry companies do that shit
prime jasper
Not EA only mate 99% of game industry companies do that shit
true and cringe
prime jasper
how much of the 60 dollars do you think goes into making the game physical?
a dime
arctic crag
how much of the 60 dollars do you think goes into making the game physical?
Still mate
In some countries they only buy physical copies
storm osprey
so you want them to charge you... a dollar less?
prime jasper
it does not cost 59 dollars per game to make a disc and case
arctic crag
Doesn’t physical cost the company more?
storm osprey
it does not cost 59 dollars per game to make a disc and case
no one said that?
prime jasper
it does not cost 59 dollars per game to make a disc and case
it probably costs 1 or 2 bucks at most
prime jasper
no one said that?
you just said
arctic crag
so you want them to charge you... a dollar less?
Dollar my ass it’s not like that
storm osprey
^ thats what i think
which is why i ask, do you want them to charge you a dollar or 2 less?
prime jasper
yeah you said "should they charge you a dollar less" which means your saying that it takes 59 dollars to make a physical copy
storm osprey
yeah you said "should they charge you a dollar less" which means your saying tha...
should digital markets charge you a dollar or 2 less, saying to make it physical costs a dollar or 2....
storm osprey
blu ray discs are like... less than a dollar a piece for consumers
a plastic case and 2 pieces of paper probably cost a few pennies
the biggest cost is probably shipping
which considering they are light pieces of small plastic cases, probably isnt that much either
arctic crag
So maybe 5$ total?
storm osprey
no idea, but lets just say sure from our consumer POV
arctic crag
I need that 5$
storm osprey
well you picked the wrong hobby
well not even really.. theres a ton of free options as long as you have restraint
arctic crag
Well i buy from aftermarket sites like g2a,instant gaming they can screw their 60$$$
storm osprey
60 dollars is generous...
arctic crag
How?
storm osprey
you know just saying "no lol" doesnt make you right
arctic crag
60$ is a lot in my country at least
prime jasper
you know just saying "no lol" doesnt make you right
Okay you saying "yes lol" also proves nothing
checkmate
storm osprey
i havent said that though...
prime jasper
Okay provide proof or any amount of reasoning as to why 60 is "generous"
storm osprey
in usa at least, the cost of games have been the same for some 9+ years last i checked, even just the cost of inflation alone would justify the price of games being 70 dollars
thats ignoring the obvious increase in cost of development for better graphics, more complicated games, etc
arctic crag
So you’re saying they should raise the prices?
storm osprey
they can justifiable raise prices
but gamers are a cheap bunch and will cry foul about it
molten coral
So you’re saying they should raise the prices?
yes
storm osprey
which is why we have dlc and mtx in just about every game
prime jasper
thats ignoring the obvious increase in cost of development for better graphics, ...
Games have costed the same to make for 9+ years
arctic crag
Remember when dlcs didn’t exist
storm osprey
Games have costed the same to make for 9+ years
"no lol"
molten coral
Games only have become more expensive to make
prime jasper
As technology gets more advanced, the "complex" techniques become average features that cost the same amount of money as normal
molten coral
and in general it takes longer to make a game than 10 years ago
prime jasper
and in general it takes longer to make a game than 10 years ago
No, it doesn't
molten coral
lol ok
prime jasper
that pay has increased...
Yeah because its a bigger industry now
arctic crag
and in general it takes longer to make a game than 10 years ago
Who got the balls for that lol
I would say 2-4 years avg
storm osprey
Yeah because its a bigger industry now
you know, its just a general thing that labor has increased too....
molten coral
Who got the balls for that lol
wdym?
prime jasper
you know, its just a general thing that labor has increased too....
Why is minimum wage the same then
storm osprey
no one said anything about minimum wage
storm osprey
but since you brought it up that is a baseline to dictate other trades values
arctic crag
Mention one game that was in development for more than 10 years
storm osprey
Mate nobody can do that
hes saying compared to 10 years ago games take longer to make compared to now
arctic crag
Oh
storm osprey
not the timeframe of making a game is 10 years
arctic crag
My bad
arctic crag
My apologies
prime jasper
hes saying compared to 10 years ago games take longer to make compared to now
They take the same amount of time due to the increase of technology
unless you are using a severely outdated engine, games still usually only take 2-4 years to make
prime jasper
Teams get bigger as the industry gets bigger
storm osprey
you cant say "super mario took 2 years to make, same as bfv" and claim they are the same when the sizes of the teams grew....
arctic crag
They take the same amount of time due to the increase of technology
Increase of technology didn’t save time actually
Compare graphics from 10 years to now
Also the world size for open world games
prime jasper
you cant say "super mario took 2 years to make, same as bfv" and claim they are ...
Okay yes, but look at BFV, has way more content because it was made by a bigger team
arctic crag
Technology only made things better quality better build not time
prime jasper
even though it has better graphics and more advanced features
storm osprey
Okay yes, but look at BFV, has way more content because it was made by a bigger ...
so that team cost more to pay.. hence why charging more for games is reasonable
its like it all makes sense
prime jasper
Technology only made things better quality better build not time
Oh really? Source 2 can auto generate entire terrain in under 30 seconds with minimal effort
arctic crag
Oh really? Source 2 can auto generate entire terrain in under 30 seconds with mi...
Not for all cases
storm osprey
bfv took 2 years reusing assets (common practice), and what? 300 people?
safe to say what game cost more to make...
heady pawn
The more people there are, the more features they’ll be, and the longer it’ll take to make
prime jasper
so that team cost more to pay.. hence why charging more for games is reasonable
The only reason devs are paid more is because the industry is now worth billions compared to the couple million it was worth back then
arctic crag
The more people there are, the more features they’ll be, and the longer it’ll ta...
That’s it so technology didn’t really make games development faster just more features
molten coral
storm osprey
videogame industry worth in 2010 63b, 2020 90b
arctic crag
videogame industry worth in 2010 63b, 2020 90b
Impressive isn’t it
storm osprey
63b accounted for inflation is 79b...
so yea, couple million is just a lie
oh wait.. i just gotta respond with "no lol"
arctic crag
Oh shit
storm osprey
Impressive isn’t it
its impressive considering most games succeed mostly on just selling soooooo many units to offset the cost
its why there are so many sequels and why new IP's have names tied to them to give them a sense of prestige
prime jasper
oh wait.. i just gotta respond with "no lol"
Sorry sir this is the #technology channel
please go to #other-games
or #general
proud trellis
lol
storm osprey
if i cared about "winning" thats when i would have known i have won
prime jasper
its why there are so many sequels and why new IP's have names tied to them to gi...
so then why do they have mtx
and lootboxes
if they already make their money back
molten coral
🤡
storm osprey
so then why do they have mtx
in terms of mp games, MTX largely exist to offset the cost of free content (largely maps and weapons) that come out after launch
free content being the new way to provide content and keep the community together
prime jasper
in terms of mp games, MTX largely exist to offset the cost of free content (larg...
The problem with 60$ games is not the price. It is that the industry is producing products that ignore financial realities and then tries to rectify its broken business model on the backs of the customers.
storm osprey
no lol