technology

[prime jasper]

With the current situation I don't have much choice if i want to get a good gaming system

[quick locust]

Though unlikely

Prebults with ampere are also out of stock here it seems

[modern gull]

Most companies in my country can build a pc for you with the parts you select, or with parts they already selected for their gamer pc's. I'd strongly advice against buying a brand pc tho like acer etc....

[storm osprey]

do you live near a microcenter?

[prime jasper]

I live near a supermarket

If that counts

[solar kestrel]

[prime jasper]

Idk about microcenter though

[storm osprey]

supermarket for computer/tech

[quick locust]

lol

They're actually not the worst sometimes

at least here

[storm osprey]

whats the worst?

[quick locust]

POWER or Elgiganten

and used market sometimes

[prime jasper]

I don't think there is one near where I live. But there are at least shops that sell electronics so that might help

[sharp pollen]

Hi everyone!

[quick locust]

Hello mister

[storm osprey]

howdy tre

[sharp pollen]

What keyboards are good to use with fps? I have a CoolerMaster Devastator 2. I think its a membrane that almost feels like a mech. I got one of those Razer Tanarus keypads, but I plan to send it back. I couldn't get my hand in a decent position on it.

[storm osprey]

imho, any keyboard will be good with fps

they are just static inputs at the end of the day

[quick locust]

Any decent one does fine

[storm osprey]

and unless youre pro playing for money and need every advantage you can get, youre not going to see a difference in performance

[sharp pollen]

its a shame that I can't try out several. lol

[quick locust]

Stores sometimes have a display of them

But most mech keyboards are fine

[sharp pollen]

Its more about me being comfortable. sometimes some keyboards will feel so uncomfortable to me.

[storm osprey]

whats uncomfortable about them?

[sharp pollen]

I think maybe the reach for pinky finger is too short or too far on some. Then some slope up from the desk too much. I got in a wreck 6 years ago and probably have limited range

so extending too much will cause pain

[storm osprey]

i feel just about any "store bought" keyboard is going to have relatively the same layouts and distances to other keys

[sharp pollen]

I had always thought that having WASD lined up better instead of how QWERTY keyboards have it offset would help, but the Razer Tanarus is actually worse for me.

[storm osprey]

maybe something like this would have closer keys, but i really doubt its a drastic difference

[sharp pollen]

is that ducky?

[oak ibex]

the one orange key

[quick locust]

tkl keyboards

[storm osprey]

this isnt tkl

[storm osprey]

keychron k2

[sharp pollen]

TKL is Ten Keyless?

[storm osprey]

yes, tkl is tenkeyless

which literally just chops off the numpad and keys around that

(middle is tkl)

[quick locust]

I wish more keyboards had media keys and knobs

[storm osprey]

the keychron k2 is a 75%, it squishes the arrow and navigation keys closer to the board

[sharp pollen]

What do you set the vehicle keys "F keys" to?

[quick locust]

Top one is mine @storm osprey

Except different layout

[storm osprey]

huh?

[sharp pollen]

F1 through F8

[storm osprey]

what do i set them for what?

[sharp pollen]

in Battlefield the default for vehickle seat selection is F1 for driver, then F2 for passenger or gunner, etc

[storm osprey]

i only use f keys for acad and thats to toggle certain things, outside of that i dont ever recalls using them other than shotguns

ahh, i dont use vehicles

[quick locust]

I just leave them default

[sharp pollen]

I don't much either lol

I used to be an amazing pilot for the Heli though.

[storm osprey]

@sharp pollen as far as your original question goes, i dont think youll find a smaller spaced keyboard unless you do a custom build

outside of that, for gaming i really doubt theres a performance difference for a vaaaaast majority of people, just get something you like

[sharp pollen]

I will go to Goodwill and see if I can find a few older keyboards with different dimensions to see if maybe a closer set of keys will help. Either that or I will stop at BestBuy and check their display units.

[storm osprey]

technically i think optical switches are "best" but again, they are static inputs, your press registering .05 seconds faster isnt going to make you that much better of a gamer

[sharp pollen]

ohh ok, usually just custom KB have that

[storm osprey]

ehh i dont even think custom keyboards would have smaller spacing since cherry mx profile is standardized and keycap sizes dont really change

im sure there are some, but i imagine its a hard find

[sharp pollen]

That has to suck for people with huge hands

or small hands

I think mine are a little larger than average.

[storm osprey]

i have small hands for a guy, and i dont use my pinky to type either, i get by

[quick locust]

I wanna try a PC 122 keyboard

[supple bane]

i dont use my pinky or ring finger to type and i can type at 100wpm

i just use my thumb for space bar, then index and middle finger

[sharp pollen]

same here, I have never been able to type normal. Gaming has been different though.

[quick locust]

I cant use my phone with one hand

[supple bane]

my phone has a one handed keyboard option

makes it a lot easier

[supple bane]

-_-

[sharp pollen]

😆

[storm osprey]

did i finally bully you into changing?

[quick locust]

@storm osprey loud and big kb good

[storm osprey]

bleh

[supple bane]

changing to what?

[storm osprey]

from light mode to dark mode

[supple bane]

ive never used light mode :(

[sharp pollen]

Has anyone tried to use a VR controller in one hand then mouse in the other?

[storm osprey]

@quick locust heck no

[supple bane]

that was a meme

[storm osprey]

youre a meme

[supple bane]

am i ?

:(

[storm osprey]

why is that emoji called peposhrug and hes not shrugging?

[supple bane]

oh i thought you were sad about me being sad

i guess some things really are just too good to be true

[storm osprey]

yea im not that nice

[quick locust]

white and mega text

[storm osprey]

im never talking to you again

[oak ibex]

i’m switching to light mode

looks nice

[storm osprey]

youre blocked

[sharp pollen]

I had thought about trying to make my own device for game control. My idea would be to make a keypad for the left hand. Instead of using WASD to move, I would make the whole keypad shift "up, down, left, right" for player movement. That way your three fingers and the WASD keys would be used for other purposes.

kind of like a large "hat"

There are these, but I don't think that I would like it.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08GKWQ54S/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_imm_17H2P4TDJ8QSD6JKSQ0G?fbclid=IwAR3EqMoGcUG6UyHELrc5mOB6-6jKGeRDMmddbv9esB2zdXEo-dq191YiHyk

[storm osprey]

theres so many possibilities

[sharp pollen]

no doubt, I probably need to buy a 3d printer

[storm osprey]

was about to ask if you had one

prusa 3d printers are highly regarded, mini is supposed to be really good

my friend has a prusa mk3s and he loves it

[sharp pollen]

I have always used a company to make me samples, but the vapor products that I made were fairly simple designs that didn't need revisions. If I was able to make a PC peripheral, putting it into production would be super expensive.

I have never used a printer, but I bet it would be fun.

[storm osprey]

my friend really enjoys it and says the prusa ecosystem is incredible

[supple bane]

3d printing is getting cheaper and cheaper. im just waiting for the day it gets cheap enough i could feasibly buy one as a toy just to play with

just to mess around with

well they do already exist but, they suck

[quick locust]

i want a pcb printer

[storm osprey]

how cheap are you thinking?

[supple bane]

less than 100 pounds

considerably less

[storm osprey]

oof

im pretty sure there are 100 dollar 3dp

[supple bane]

there is no point buying something that costs 3-4-500 pounds that i literally have no use for

[storm osprey]

that you know of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3SMUpNH_6I

[supple bane]

yeah i have seen it

and it sucks lol

[storm osprey]

its fine for 100 bucks

[supple bane]

not worth it tho

hence my phrasing "im waiting for the day when"

i want something thats finished product quality printing for that price. which wont come for a while

[sharp pollen]

yeah they are best for R&D. If you need something printed that is already perfected, then using a 3rd party company might be a better answer. That way someone else can print it on a more expensive machine.

[fringe lodge]

Will this run medium games, space engineers, unturned, etc https://pcpartpicker.com/user/DrewHanners/saved/#view=CM76D3

[sharp pollen]

Permission denied.

screenshot it

I can see custom build 1 and 2

[fringe lodge]

The photos are going through now

[sharp pollen]

then the 2/27

[fringe lodge]

Also I unprinted it

Unprivated

[sharp pollen]

the 1030 might not be the best option

[turbid verge]

I mean does he have another option

[sharp pollen]

ebay?

[turbid verge]

considering there's no stock of most models or overpriced GPU's

[sharp pollen]

I mean, I had no issue

you get on twitch and watch the stock bots

[opaque saddle]

You can pair a 3060ti with the 3600

[turbid verge]

if you have the money and dont care paying 100%-200% the msrp prices

[opaque saddle]

1030 is far too slow for gaming

[fringe lodge]

I don’t

[turbid verge]

yeh exactly, thas my point

not everyone can afford a GPU costs 2 times its supposed price

[fringe lodge]

What’s the cheaper option, I want stable gamplay but preferably less than $900

[sharp pollen]

you don't have to pay 2x, you do have to pay tarrifs

[fringe lodge]

Which is prob hard to get for that price

[sharp pollen]

its like $150 more

[fringe lodge]

So what should I use

[sharp pollen]

whats your budget?

after you have everything but the graphics card

[oak ibex]

i was told to buy an AMD cpu over an Intel cpu in school today for the performance to price ratio

thought that i’d ask if that’s what i should do, here

[supple bane]

Generally yes

But it depends really

[sharp pollen]

depends really, I got a 10700 + mobo combo for a really good price

[supple bane]

You can't just say ones better than the other

[sharp pollen]

also depends if you do video editing

gaming isn't a huge difference

[storm osprey]

that performance to price ratio scenario is over

at least for gaming

[oak ibex]

well, i had plans on purchasing the i7 9700k. i was then told that i’d be better of buying the AMD Ryzen 5 3600. i honestly don’t know enough make the decision

[oak ibex]

i see

[storm osprey]

the moment amd had better performance than intel they jacked up the prices and ironically now intel is price to performance winner in most cases

[supple bane]

9700k will hand 3600 its ass on a plate

[turbid verge]

basically if you like a cpu that doesnt use much power and has good performance yeh AMD does the job, although intel also works but the power draw is higher

[oak ibex]

okay, so the 9700k is generally a better processor?

[turbid verge]

but tbh for general gaming any works

[supple bane]

Its faster yes,

[turbid verge]

its more down to work load you can use for

[storm osprey]

considering 3600 are consistently 200 bucks now and a 10400 is about 150, and they perform the same (in gaming, im always talking about gaming), i would have gotten a 10400

[supple bane]

But they aren't even in the same league lol

[turbid verge]

so 3d modelling, rendering, data processing there's differences

like my own experience with both brands

intel or amd CPU's good for any

AMD gpu's arent very friendly with rendering softwares or 3d modelling softwares for some reason

[oak ibex]

well, if intel is better suited for a wider range of activities, they sound far more ideal

[quick locust]

they are not

[sharp pollen]

i put a XT6800 on an i5 4670k with DDR3 and it handled 4k with ease. The graphics card is the most important thing for gaming. The rest can be purchased as needed.

[latent light]

Ryzen 5 5600X shits all over the i7-9700K lol

[oak ibex]

sure

[turbid verge]

I mean rn I have a 8700k works well, just doing rendering is kind scuffed because its not the best CPU for it, although would switch to a threadripper or maybe a ryzen 7, mostly because their power draw is lower

[storm osprey]

its way more complicated than they

[quick locust]

@sharp pollen depends entirely on game

[storm osprey]

you need to decide your use case and budget really

[oak ibex]

i’m sure it is lol.

[oak ibex]

i’m still working on that

[turbid verge]

tbh CPU's rn you're fine with both of them they both do what they are supposed to do

[sharp pollen]

well we are in a battlefield discord

[storm osprey]

it was 9700 vs 3600 though

[turbid verge]

some people prefer intel over AMD and vice versa, down to the user preference

[latent light]

9700K and 5600X are priced closer

[storm osprey]

and some people are just fanboys

[oak ibex]

certainly a lot of gaming. however, i do enjoy design work

[turbid verge]

just depends what your ultimate usage of the CPU

I generally say

[oak ibex]

tell that to these guys at school

[turbid verge]

why did I got a 8700k and not a 1st gen ryzen

[storm osprey]

in their case i assume they are uneducated and just spewing standard internet sayings

[turbid verge]

well obvious rule of anything

[quick locust]

i got 8700K as well

[turbid verge]

never get 1st gen because you dont know about its pro and cons

look at Nvidia 1st gen RTX and now to AMD 1st gen ray tracing

both utter shit

for both a gamer or professional use

[oak ibex]

they’re definitely into their tech but i knew that i’d be better off asking online

[turbid verge]

2nd gen RTX on the A6000 or the 30 series pretty good ideal

[sharp pollen]

so the console war stopped and people have moved on to CPU? lol

[turbid verge]

used it already in rendering, pretty good

although as for rn yes I would switch to a ryzen 3000 lol

[storm osprey]

@oak ibex

[oak ibex]

lmao yes. i bought a case for my cpu, bought run bf6 in 4k

[storm osprey]

in this price range 10400f is the better choise

[turbid verge]

lower TDP and more stable on professional use

[latent light]

CPU matters less for 4K reoslution

Even 1st gen Ryzen doesn't lag far behind Ryzen 5000 in 4K

[oak ibex]

3600 has higher numbers, guessing that that’s better

[turbid verge]

I have worked already with 8k lol

literally you need a threadripper for that

and a 30 series

[quick locust]

epyc 7763

[turbid verge]

nah epyc to overpriced

[storm osprey]

like more reviews? its popular, that doesnt mean its better. if being popular was tied to quality cardi b would be one of the best musicians ever...

[latent light]

For 4K gaming you dont need more than a i5-10400 tbh, 6 cores and 12 threads just like the Ryzen 5 3600 but like $40-50 cheaper

[oak ibex]

dumb resolution

[turbid verge]

what I used was a work station at my uni

@oak ibex Not for professional work

when you wanna create high res images for publicity or marketing

[oak ibex]

reading the core clock, didn’t even look at reviews :/

[turbid verge]

they need that

for gaming yeh its pretty useless lmao

[quick locust]

Make high res content

Streaming: time to make it look like 480p

[storm osprey]

boost is more important, and both dont paint the whole picture

[turbid verge]

we have a high top gen hardware back in my Uni for experimental and research usage

one of them being to run rendering algorithms etc

[oak ibex]

that’s cool. of course you want it to be scaleable without losing fidelity

[turbid verge]

pretty much

[quick locust]

I don't have access to any uni computer

[turbid verge]

lol

but yeh for gaming there's good known stuff around noways even for hybrid work/gaming use

although all I want is a 30 series to do higher quality renders

and to play games too

so yeh there's the double use of it

[fallow garden]

what’s the best driver for gtx 1060 3gb or 10 series cards

[turbid verge]

I have the latest drivers on my 1070

[quick locust]

epyc 7282 is cheaper than ryzen 3950X here for some reason

[latent light]

Gonna get Threadripper 5990X when it comes out for 64 cores and 8-channel 2TB RAM

[turbid verge]

tbh want to finish my course then start working to make a new rig

[quick locust]

I have some years to go

[turbid verge]

my current rig holds well for now. All I want is a new GPU tho

[quick locust]

But my medical bills are far more than my pc cost anyway

[oak ibex]

bruh 2TB RAM, was that downloaded?

[fallow garden]

which

[oak ibex]

[fallow garden]

@turbid verge is latest driver (461.92) good

should i install

[quick locust]

yes

[fallow garden]

fr?

ok

imma cop

[turbid verge]

normally you should always have drivers updated

[fallow garden]

for my 1060

[quick locust]

Just do newest stable

[fallow garden]

i aint got geforce experience

[fallow garden]

What

[turbid verge]

think the most recent is the 470

[fallow garden]

newest stable 🤨

[fallow garden]

461.92

[latent light]

3080Ti gonna be more useful than 3080 because it has 3090 memory bus width and 12GB

[quick locust]

I got 460.56 and newest windows one

[fallow garden]

tf

y u dont update

[turbid verge]

yeh its the 461.92

[quick locust]

460.56 is newest unix driver

[fallow garden]

wtf

[quick locust]

461.92 on my windows i think

[turbid verge]

@latent light my problem isnt even that, its about if there's gonna be any stock at MSRP

[fallow garden]

alr imma install 461.92 rn

on my 1060

ok

[near rune]

i just installed the latest driver

461.92

[quick locust]

Vaporware gpus

But luckily I don't need any new gpu

Unless this one commits seppuku out of spite

[fallow garden]

nice

Imma install it too

[fallow garden]

whats that

numbers or whatever are those on side is blurry

[fallow garden]

what is that tho

[quick locust]

relative perf between gpus in 40 games

https://torrentfreak.com/isp-wrongfully-handed-customer-data-to-pirate-chasing-law-firm-210316/

bruh

ISPs be ISPs

[storm osprey]

so many youtubers shitting on 6700 xt =\

https://youtu.be/5wO2vUZv4zw?t=341

this timestamp sums my thoughts up

[oak ibex]

hold on, let me buy the 3090, might be perfect for my mid-tier build

[storm osprey]

ok

[oak ibex]

i had no idea that gpu’s could cost that much

[storm osprey]

what are you talking about?

[supple bane]

considering you are talking about a 3090 i assume you mean gpu

[sharp pollen]

this BEAST

https://imgur.com/eBoBmyH

[oak ibex]

oh snap, sorry lol

yh gpu

i didn’t proof read my writing

[supple bane]

i mean 3090 is no where near the most expsive gpu lol

[oak ibex]

well, i never expected them to exceed 1.3k or so

it’s surprising

[supple bane]

insert titan rtx - 2.5k
titan z - 3k
quadro rtx 8000 - 8k
quadro gv100-13k
and i believe there is such thing as an nvidia a100 which was 20k+

[oak ibex]

[storm osprey]

hell, i wouldnt even consider 3090 a gaming card though

[proud trellis]

what even was the point of the titan RTX ? didnt it have like 24GB of Vram ?

[supple bane]

well its a replacement for titan, and nvidia always said titans werent for gamiing

so kinda yes.

[supple bane]

the 3090 also has 24gb of vram,

[proud trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-cat-dead-died-gif-13827091

24gb

[supple bane]

the a100 above has 40gb lol

also it wasnt 20k, it was only 10

not sure where i got that from

and the rtx 8000 has 48gb

[storm osprey]

what are they gonna call the 8000 series gpus?

[sharp pollen]

the card almost didn't fit. I had to take the AIO out. https://imgur.com/N8QJPZc

[storm osprey]

will 8000 series gpus have 48gb standard?!

is this that vram increase like people have suggested?!

[supple bane]

eh?

[storm osprey]

this

[supple bane]

quadro rtx 8000

its already a thing

[storm osprey]

nah, its the future 8000 series card

[supple bane]

oh youre kidding

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

i always do this

[storm osprey]

you can tell by the vram

[sharp pollen]

doing cad work seems like it would be the most boring job ever

[storm osprey]

...

i do cad work

[supple bane]

heh

ruined

need to find a new job nyphon

[sharp pollen]

do you not get suicidal?

[storm osprey]

because of my job? no

i think its fun, its super accurate drawings

[sharp pollen]

I did modeling a few times and it wasn't for me

[storm osprey]

like 3d modelling?

i only draft in 2d, i personally dont like 3d modelling myself either

[supple bane]

ive always found cad satisfying

[sharp pollen]

yeah except it was mostly dealing with objects in a program called daz3d

[supple bane]

ive designed 3 things in my life on cad that i actually needed to build irl. and it was really nice seeing something being built from the ground up with me at the reins

[storm osprey]

yea i do that all the time now xD

pc cart? cad first

hell even moving i see how i can fit things in first

[sharp pollen]

thank the gods for Fiverr.com

[supple bane]

my desk pc, a cabinet and my uncles kitchen are the things i designed on cad that actually came to be

[storm osprey]

this looks way different than the cad i use

[sharp pollen]

this guy does all my work for me

https://www.fiverr.com/shartika?source=order_page_user_message_inner_link

[storm osprey]

fiverr seems cool

[sharp pollen]

yeah its amazing, I always tip also

[storm osprey]

good lad

[sharp pollen]

I have no idea what kind of cut they take from him.

Someone said, When your gig sells, Fiverr takes $1 for every $5 you make, or 20%. This means that as soon as a sale comes through, you have made $4. If someone buys a gig extra for $5, you make $8, and so on. If you have a few gig extras priced at the max and are selling all of them with each order, then you’ll be making decent money. However, most orders will be a single, basic gig for $5.

[supple bane]

ive considered doing something on fiverr

maybe pc building simulator irl

[storm osprey]

LOL

"ill make your pc in pcbs"

[modern gull]

Why not only fans?

[sharp pollen]

It seems like most jobs are going to be remote going forward

[supple bane]

i was thinking more pc repair

[modern gull]

Oh thought you meant something else

[proud trellis]

repair mine

plez

[supple bane]

asking a 15 year old for an only fans aint such a good idea :)

[supple bane]

ive fucking offered.. so many times.

[modern gull]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-good-bye-bye-no-gif-5173989

[storm osprey]

only fans or something idk im not a simp

[supple bane]

heh

[modern gull]

I didnt know

[supple bane]

i get that a lot

[sharp pollen]

Is anyone close to my age? 40?

[modern gull]

Depends what you mean by close

[proud trellis]

i genuinely would of bought it round but my parents wouldnt let me

[sharp pollen]

like 35 to 45

[supple bane]

nyphon is old man

[modern gull]

nope abit less

[supple bane]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-guy-senior-walker-gif-7660497

[modern gull]

lul

[supple bane]

nyphon walking to play overwatch be like^

[modern gull]

[sharp pollen]

Someone made this video about an older graphics card. I don't think anyone here would have been around back then. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3iHV0NvLPI

the 9000 version is fake, but there was SLI back then and there was cards with 4 gpu on them

[modern gull]

What a gpu

[supple bane]

@sharp pollen is your pfp a hub btw?

looks like a road bike hub or something

[sharp pollen]

ohhh, you lost me for a sec. I own a business that I am going to close soon because of a mail ban that happens in April, its a vapor device. I run inkedatty.com

https://www.inkedatty.com

[supple bane]

oh i see

[sharp pollen]

lol it does look similar

after 6 years of building a successful business, I have to start over and do something else.

[supple bane]

oof

that sucks

[sharp pollen]

I really am thinking about designing a left handed keypad/controller for PC games

[supple bane]

you wanna milk as much money from it as you can before it kicks the bucket then 😛

[sharp pollen]

I got the razer tanarus and it just doesn't feel right to me

[oak ibex]

that’s really smart idea

simple too

well

maybe not the keyboard

[sharp pollen]

yeah, if the several keyboard/controller/vr companies haven't made it already, it must be fairly hard to do.

or maybe just not work as intended

[supple bane]

ha! my thread is currently the 9th most viewed gpu how to on toms hardware

nice

[sharp pollen]

hitting the Z and X buttons while using WASD is a chore.

what did you do to fix it?

[supple bane]

i think it might be glitched tho, because the bottoms ones are like, 200 views

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/gigabyte-gpu-fan-rattle-fix.3596708/

its a very common issue with gigabyte windforce cards

from my testing it seems to be to do with the plastics expanding under temperature

[storm osprey]

woow

[supple bane]

once the card hits a certain temperature the shroud catches the fan and it makes an awful noise

and i found a simple fix of just budging the shroud down a bit

[sharp pollen]

Nice, I am sure you made several people happy. That would have driven me crazy,

[storm osprey]

i go get lunch and come back to this

[sharp pollen]

I almost got that same card

[oak ibex]

it depends. presuming that you’re left handed, do you have any issue with using a standard keyboard and mouse?

[supple bane]

i realise now that there arent actually that many how to's on toms hardware, there goes my triumph :(

[sharp pollen]

Just the keyboard has never been as fluid as I wanted it to be. I left pc gaming for several years and the controller on xbox was so much better as far as fluid motion goes.

[oak ibex]

that makes sense. i guess you could always remap a mouse to have a right click-left click swap but then you would certainly need a left handed keyboard for your right hand

[sharp pollen]

not that I am left handed, its more that when I use WSAD on keyboard "some" of the other buttons besides WSAD are only able to be reached if you move your hand away from WSAD. Sometimes I don't find my way back to the correct spot when I go back to using WSAD

I am sure if I gamed more I would get better muscle memory finding the correct keys.

[oak ibex]

ahhh sure

muscle memory certainly helps

i’ve only just got the hand of typing using multiple fingers tbh

not that that’s related entirely*

[sharp pollen]

I never have. I have used just a few fingers for years.

[oak ibex]

i did use three

i do understand your muscle memory issue. i have it too when returning and/or having to press a nearby button

[sharp pollen]

The mouse is much better than a controller, but the keyboard seems like the weak-link of PC gaming to me.

This guy had a good idea, but I am not sure he can make it work as well as he wants. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaaFEWz5uaQ

Hori made this, but it isn't popular. https://www.amazon.com/HORI-Tactical-Assault-Commander-GRIP-pc/dp/B01L6QQJOC/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=hori+tactical+commander&linkCode=sl2&linkId=ea6fa6192e074d31bdc5bb51ab2d55eb&qid=1616013950&sr=8-2

[oak ibex]

hmmm

the first idea was interesting but seemed more of a console controller than pc controller

of course with pc, movement of the whole hand to aim and interact would be preferable in order to keep up with other pc gamers

i have seen micro keyboards in the past

[sharp pollen]

I think that is probably what they both were going for."console". I am thinking about trying to make something stationary.

I think xb and ps can use keyboards now.

[oak ibex]

they can

i tried it briefly and it works natively for selected games :/

[sharp pollen]

I am surprised at some games being cross platform now

Warzone

Mostly surprised because of the hacking that happens on pc.

[near rune]

cheating*

[sharp pollen]

😆 true

[supple bane]

The positives outweigh the negatives

For cross platform

Besides a lot of games are only cross platform if you either enable it or if you are playing with someone on pc

[oak ibex]

cross platforming is a fun change

triple the toxicity

[solar kestrel]

[silk kraken]

is it possible to use keyboard for bf1 on ps4?

[solar kestrel]

dont think so

[silk kraken]

ight

[quick locust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqi9QGyRWGk

Very good phone otherwise but fragile lol

[solar kestrel]

what is taht alol

[sharp pollen]

DICE not updating BF4 resolution for XB One X was my deciding factor for going back to PC
gaming instead.

[quick locust]

@solar kestrel ASUS ROG 5

A fast 1200 usd phone but breaks too easily when bended

[solar kestrel]

interesting

ill just stick with my used iphone xr that costs a 3rd the price lol

[sharp pollen]

can it run crysis?

[solar kestrel]

the real question is

can it run clash of clans

[supple bane]

Fuck mobile games

[quick locust]

lol

[supple bane]

So badddd

[near rune]

Since i got a pc all mobile games are just bad

[supple bane]

I've never came across a mobile game that's actually well built, enjoyable and all round fun

[near rune]

Apart from some puzzle games

[supple bane]

Have you ever stuck with playing a mobile game for more than a few months tho?

[near rune]

Yes actually

[supple bane]

I haven't

And it says a lot about mobile games

[near rune]

I used to play a puzzle and it had this daily challenge thing

And i got a year streak in it

[supple bane]

Thats...

Sad

[near rune]

You know this nonogram game

Im at level 2587

Bubble shooter level 942

[supple bane]

I think the longest I've ever played a mobile game is 3 months before deleting it again

[near rune]

For me it just depends what kind is it

I usually play puzzle games for a few weeks to determine if its good

[quick locust]

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2021/03/16/2194110/0/en/Micron-Updates-Data-Center-Portfolio-Strategy-to-Address-Growing-Opportunity-for-Memory-and-Storage-Hierarchy-Innovation.html

thats a long link

[proud trellis]

u can add writing to links

[proud trellis]

so i just uninstalled some games that i dont play and i now have an entire 1TB hardrive free lol

[modern gull]

lol

remember to save 500 gb for next battlefield

If it really was that big, probably it would have tons of content etc...

Wonder what texture sizes will be and audio.

[quick locust]

[proud trellis]

so i have another drive that had only 4 games on there and those games were COD CW, WZ, CSGO, and VALORANT

[near rune]

Im only using like 150gb of my 1tb ssd

[proud trellis]

there is 600GB being used of that drive

cod is just stupid

[modern gull]

my m.2

Saving abit for next battlefield and some other stuff

[near rune]

I cant really get more storage

Or actually idk if my laptop has a second m.2 slot

[modern gull]

Does it have sata slot?

[proud trellis]

tbh i might just take that 1 HDD out

i have enough storage to last me for a while

[near rune]

No it doesnt have a sata slot

[modern gull]

rip

[modern gull]

This is all i have lul

I have a folder with about 500 gb worth of files

not games

[near rune]

Most of the space is taken up by the 2 fans and copper lol

[quick locust]

so many writes and read

[modern gull]

Oh ya

[proud trellis]

i have so many random files too of games i had installed on a drive and then moved or deleted

[modern gull]

I see

[proud trellis]

i think razer cortex clears junk files

might have a look

[modern gull]

Ngl i think i might get 2tb m.2 and 4tb hdd next. i am about to upgrade soon, maybe i just keep same size.

[modern gull]

Oh idk what that is lul

[quick locust]

PS3 controller in steam

lol

[grand matrix]

hi

[modern gull]

lol nice

[solar kestrel]

[modern gull]

Hey

[modern gull]

I use SCP tool kit which turn ps3 into xbox controller

Basicaly most if not all games that have controller support, support xbox 360 controller on windows.

[proud trellis]

would downloading 2 games at once fuck my pc up ?

[near rune]

@modern gull yea my laptop has 2 nvme m.2 slots

[solar kestrel]

yes

fucery

[modern gull]

Nah just max out your internet.

Same drive or?

[near rune]

So i could add one more if i wanted to

[modern gull]

Nice

[proud trellis]

i think so

[modern gull]

Can expand abit

[quick locust]

@modern gull i dont need to install anything to get ps3 controller working

[modern gull]

You might notice high load on disk tho, depending on how the launcher decompress files etc..

[near rune]

Why not just buy a xbox one controller

[modern gull]

Nice, but non steam games?

[quick locust]

yes

[near rune]

I got mine for cheap

[modern gull]

[quick locust]

although some are buggy

like WT lol

[modern gull]

But i only owned ps3 last thats why lul

[quick locust]

Although I never use controller pretty much in games

Yeah same

[near rune]

I also got a x360 controller

But i either would need a wire for it

Or some receiver thing

Wireless receiver

[modern gull]

Bluetooth most likley

thats what ps3 controller uses

[near rune]

It doesnt have bluetooth

You need a different thing

[modern gull]

Oh i see, you need wireless plug on controller it self

[near rune]

No its like a usb thing

You plug into ur pc

And thats like the receiver for the controller

[modern gull]

You still need to plug a thing into controller tho?

[near rune]

No you just turn it on

[modern gull]

Oh, so xbox controller has it own wireless system or something since not Bluetooth?

[near rune]

Yes

[modern gull]

Ahh i see now

[near rune]

How else your supposed to use them wirelessly to ur console

[modern gull]

Idk if they was wireless or not i never had an xbox lul

[quick locust]

I used to do ps2 and ps3 and pc

Liked the PS controllers more than xbox

But on PC i never use them

[near rune]

Idk what games are better with a controller than a mouse and a keyboard

Apart from rocket league

And some racing arcade games

Fh4

Theres nothing else really

[modern gull]

I agree but ngl i dont mind both. On pc i just use controller in certain games like gta, rdr, hitman and soo on.

Mostly adventure games i suppose

I use mouse/kb with fallout 4 tho. mainly depends on game

[modern gull]

[molten coral]

[modern gull]

Hey Nacho

[modern gull]

How much of thats is firefox tho

[molten coral]

Probably 3-4 gigs

[solar kestrel]

only like 2p

wat

tf

i only have disciord and origin open

[molten coral]

2p? 2 pence?

[solar kestrel]

and im ay 6.9

[modern gull]

% i think

[solar kestrel]

ye

[molten coral]

Eh it’s fairly normal that your PC uses more ram

If you have more ram to use

I’ve 32GB and just running my PC takes like 6-7GB

[solar kestrel]

dam

[modern gull]

mine is at 5gb now with only discord open

When i have restarted pc and nothing else been run, i think its about 2.7 gb

[solar kestrel]

discors=needy

[modern gull]

i have launched several games etc... tho

[opaque saddle]

Yeah if you have more ram, it started utilise more ram from your computer

[modern gull]

let me restart and check

[opaque saddle]

Usually it will be like 6-8GB on idle for me

[modern gull]

fresh reboot

went down to 3.0 just now

I think its cause windows stores somekind of cache in windows 10. Thats why games loads much faster the 2nd time you launch it i think.

[fallen harbor]

why do you have 32gb tho

[solar kestrel]

cause why not

[fallen harbor]

do you ever make full use of it

do you ever make half use of it

[solar kestrel]

idk a lot of streamers use it

and its very helpful when you do stuff in blender

[fallen harbor]

i can only imagine at least a relatively high end cpu being able to make that worth it

like a ryzen 7 or better

[solar kestrel]

yah for the most part

if you have 32 gb your def not rocking an i-5 lol

[opaque saddle]

you can use more than 32gb in gaming

especially in cities skylines

[weak girder]

huuh

[modern gull]

Yep i do to be honest, i'd say the average pc user wont need this much at this time.

More and more people might go from example 16gb to 32 in some years depending on what games need etc... Basicaly 32gb becoming the norm.

[modern gull]

I got i-3

[solar kestrel]

cant fool me

[modern gull]

let me prove

[solar kestrel]

bottlenech go crazy

[modern gull]

@solar kestrel

[solar kestrel]

running at 3.60 Hz

[modern gull]

Not really

[solar kestrel]

95w consumption

9900KF

all things an i-3 is

[modern gull]

False numbers

It actually runs at 65w

[opaque saddle]

The AAA games + Windows 10 uses around or more than 12gb in gaming. So if you got a few extra chrome tabs opened, you may get 14.5gb ram utilised

[latent light]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amds-next-gen-van-gogh-apu-shows-256-bit-ddr5-memory-support?

[opaque saddle]

I believed if it goes beyond 97%, then the OS may switch to your system drive for page caches

[latent light]

👀

APUs are the future

[storm osprey]

I hope not

[latent light]

They'll get better, significantly so

[solar kestrel]

[latent light]

In a few years may even see performance comparable to high-end discrete GPUs

[storm osprey]

I’m not worried about performance. I just like individual hardware. I don’t get combo modem/routers.

Hell idk anything that I get that’s ever 2 in 1

[modern gull]

Imagine if them turning more expensive. And a dedicated cpu/gpu will provide better price to performance anyways.

[grand matrix]

[opaque saddle]

It was a shame that 4700G and 4750G are OEM only. Meaning normal consumers can obtain those cpu through prebuilt machines

AMD has the ability to make an 8 cores processor with flagship gpu inside. But they don’t sell it coz I think they aren’t allowed to

[modern gull]

Why arent they allowed to sell their own product?

[opaque saddle]

I’m guessing they cannot sell it for now, but for the future yes, due to direct competition with consoles.

[modern gull]

But why cant they, and competition with consoles?

[solar kestrel]

Here me out

They make more gpu tingys

[opaque saddle]

Coz Sony and Microsoft paid for AMD to design their processor

[solar kestrel]

And everyone’s Happy

[modern gull]

Ah ya i see now, there might be some contract so their systems will be desirable longer or something

[opaque saddle]

I think so

[modern gull]

Interesting

[opaque saddle]

Coz if I were MS or SONY. I will Sue AMD for selling the cpu at all cost

[modern gull]

[opaque saddle]

I mean if that was the case tho

[modern gull]

Did they buy the same product?

[opaque saddle]

They aren’t the same

They are two different products

[modern gull]

Amd could just modify it then and make a 3rd one which they sell themself

[opaque saddle]

Coz two different contracts

I think the cpu is the same, if not, similar

But the graphic cores makes the differences

[modern gull]

I see

[opaque saddle]

I remember they are either running at 3.5-3.6ghz for the cpu

For GPU: Microsoft has more processing cores and SONY has less cores but with higher frequency

[modern gull]

Ah i see i didn't know, from what i remember the xbox was more powerful than the playstation

[opaque saddle]

Since they are different contracts, I don’t think it will be legal to sell the ‘defected’ processors to other company

Yeah Xbox is more powerful

[modern gull]

Why would they anyways tho?

I mean then they would not get what they ordered.

[opaque saddle]

Yeah

As you know Product binning is one of the strategy. In fact, the chip manufacturers only makes a few chips per year for a single market, it can be desktop or laptop.

No doubt that the processors from both companies can run as high as they can, since they have ordered one or two chip. But it will be extremely costly to maintain performance that the only top 1% can achieved

This is what it makes me wondering how powerful the top 1% chips can achieved from the consoles

I mean, the best out of the best.

[modern gull]

Ah so you saying they only want the best chips for their consoles and just throw away the rest kind of? But Amd could sell them instead

[opaque saddle]

Nah I’m guessing the RAW performance was meant to be much stronger

[modern gull]

Oh

[opaque saddle]

Like, they can do 4.4ghz all cores

[modern gull]

4.4 isnt much these days imo

Depends on each core performance ofc

[opaque saddle]

If I say, 80% of the cores can achieved 3.7Ghz. But only 12% can do 3.6ghz. Another 8% are defected cores

I would rather to get all 92% processor which can run 3.6ghz to run at 3.6ghz, than throwing away 12% useable cores

[modern gull]

Its abit sad to throw them away. To be honest what if there is minimal diffrence in actual performance. But if you want something to spec i guess you dont care about the 12%

[opaque saddle]

I hoped they didn’t use those on the cheaper model of Xbox

I owned a 3600 which cannot go beyond 3.9Ghz all cores

[modern gull]

Oh i see

[opaque saddle]

Since we know if we switched off SMT, it shall increase the frequency by 0.1-0.2ghz. That will make sense for ‘making’ 3500x

[modern gull]

I dont know

Anyways Derek i am pretty tierd cant think to straight

[opaque saddle]

Lol I’m waiting for my bus

[modern gull]

Think i'll be going now, nice chat

[modern gull]

[opaque saddle]

Right see ya

[modern gull]

Bye man

[opaque saddle]

Been ages but not coming

[modern gull]

Rip

[opaque saddle]

Anyway bye

[modern gull]

Hopefully it shall arive soon. Bye

[paper fable]

If dry ice doesn’t melt

And repels water and stuff

Why don’t I have my laptop chill on a piece of dry ice?

So it’s a constant freezing cooling source?

[digital finch]

dry ice will likely cause condensation inside the laptop and make the components not function properly

not to mention it releases carbon monoxide

[prime jasper]

uuh not a good idea

a cheap "lifehack" for a hot laptop is using a cookie cooling rack

put it underneath, improves airflow

[opaque saddle]

Switch on aircon in summer when you wanna play games

[weak girder]

wait seriously?

[opaque saddle]

Lift up the bottom plate

[weak girder]

look you're letting your laptop cool and reabsorb all the oil and flavorings

[opaque saddle]

I was playing games at 39C indoor

The laptop cpu and gpu constantly hit 100C

[prime jasper]

obv a clean one

I have been doing it for years, its not like a massive improvement but on a hot summer's day it makes a difference

[opaque saddle]

So if you reduced the temp to 23C. I guess it will be around 80C

[digital finch]

if your gpu power limit could be reduced it would help a lot with temps

[weak girder]

you can buy a laptop cooler

[opaque saddle]

Laptop cooler does work, only a few percent

[prime jasper]

to quantify it .. that laptop I was using I had set the % CPU usage down to 85% to avoid auto shutdowns on a 35C day, when I put it on the grill I could put it back to the default 95%

[opaque saddle]

It still depends on the interior design

Can you get the bottom plate off?

[prime jasper]

never tried

[opaque saddle]

And place a cheap $15 box fan with direct airflow?

I’m guessing 35c outside will be around 31-32 indoor

[prime jasper]

ah that laptop I dont even use anymore, the original question was someone wanting to put dry ice in a laptop

[opaque saddle]

Lol it will be a silly idea

[prime jasper]

which is a very bad idea btw

[opaque saddle]

I think it will last for 10s

Then it will be gone

[weak girder]

laptop rekd

[prime jasper]

so I said rather than wreck your laptop with DIY cooling get a cookie tray from the kitchen

[opaque saddle]

DIY laptop

I think they would rather get a desktop or more powerful laptop instead

[weak girder]

I actually made on of those lmao

[opaque saddle]

[weak girder]

its not very good Im afraid

and its vey very basic

[opaque saddle]

I remember I used to grab a broken MacBook (without a screen)

Then output it with an external monitor

Then I realised the laptop was water damaged. Plugged in to power source, grab the motherboard out

I realised I almost got electrocuted

[weak girder]

this is such a desperate attempt

[opaque saddle]

Anyway. Replaced the board and it works

[gilded escarp]

(reposting from the other channel as they said to post here instead) Hello guys, I am experiencing very poor performance in Battlefield 1. I have an i5-9600k and a GTX 1070TI and am frequently dropping to 40FPS on lowest graphics settings. Does anyone know what this may be the case?

[dusk plaza]

Idk turn down graphics. There's a lot of fire in bf1

As well as debris and dust etc

[gilded escarp]

I am already on lowest graphics settings

[dusk plaza]

Welp

[radiant plover]

Download MSI Afterburner and Take a look at ur Ram Usage and etc

[cold sand]

Hello my English is not so good but I have a problem with BF 1 and I don't know what to do next, the EA customer support can't really help me. Whenever I start BF 1, I see that I have to download a user interface, but when I do do this then it does not continue to load from 88% and I hope that someone also has such a problem and has a solution for it

[radiant plover]

Seems like uhh Internet connection problems. Also never encounter that issues before.

[cold sand]

No, it can't be because my PC is connected with a cable and I've checked it several times and after charging for over 10 hours it still didn't work

[radiant plover]

Try turn off ur Nvidia ui and Discors UI
Or delete a twinkle folder located in Documents\Battlefield 1

[cold sand]

Why Discord has nothing to do with it

[radiant plover]

I actually find people doing that to fix it but you can try the other options delete twinkle folder.

[cold sand]

ok then i will try it out

[gilded escarp]

I had a look and RAM is on about 60%, GPU about 80% and CPU is on 100%

[quick locust]

Xilinx why are you failing me today

AaaaAAa

Defect device

[stoic turret]

Bro fr

[radiant plover]

Yeah ur cpu is having a hard time.

[stoic turret]

Msi afterburner?

[radiant plover]

Yup.

The riva static tuner if I'm pronouncing it right.

[gilded escarp]

Looks like it. Just unsure what to do - this CPU should be more than sufficient for this game but it's really struggling

[radiant plover]

I have a old Laptop that have I5 8500H and the fps is same as urs. GPU is different.

It's probably struggling to keep a stable performance because how many particles and etc that the cpu has to load on bf 1. You probably would have to find a guide on how to disable some of the particles using console command.

[stoic turret]

Is msi like a tester or smth

[radiant plover]

It's like a Overclocking software / like a place to keep an eye on the cpu gpu or ram usage , temp and etc.

[stoic turret]

Oh cool

I’ll get it then :D

[supple bane]

sorry for late response but what ram do you have ?

[storm osprey]

https://drop.com/buy/cherry-mx-silent-red-rgb-switches

[gilded escarp]

Corsair Vengeance 2x8GB DDR4 3000MHz

[supple bane]

you have it in the right slots ?

ie slot 2 and 4?

and are you using dx 11 or dx 12

[sharp pollen]

I got the slots wrong with my ram this last build. I had always thought that it was 1 & 3 that was dual chan

I finally seen a very small pic of the board in the manual with a much smaller asterisk on 2 & 4.

Maybe I am loosing my mind

I just remembered something else this morning also.

I used to use the direction keys instead of WSAD

Because I have always had trouble with the default config.

[supple bane]

https://streamable.com/cua0on

im done with ma keyboard now

going back to my membrane k55

because the f2 key is stuck on shit just opens on its own

[proud trellis]

holy shit

[storm osprey]

membrane master race

how many mice do you own?

[supple bane]

me?

2

[storm osprey]

everyone

[proud trellis]

1

[storm osprey]

oof

[digital hill]

@storm osprey For my opinion noctua fans are pretty cheap though and they are the best fans for the price

[storm osprey]

they are like 20 bucks minimum unless you are getting their non pwm or cheaper fans

[digital hill]

I think they got pwm fans for like 13.95 almost the same cost of their non pwm which is 13.90

[storm osprey]

they are the best, but you can get 90% of the performance for 8 bucks with arctic p12

[digital hill]

yeah arctic is also good

[storm osprey]

tbf idk how the redux compares to artic

but they are still more expensive as well

[digital hill]

True

I use the redux and my pc is pretty much fine

[ashen oak]

Will tech ever evolve to a point where its possible for us to own cat girl robots

[storm osprey]

im sure that already exists to some degree

[ashen oak]

Fully functioning like a human ??

[gilded escarp]

Yes, correct slots as it is running in dual channel mode and XMP is enabled in bios. I am using DX12

[supple bane]

try dx 11

[gilded escarp]

okay will do cheers

[storm osprey]

so 6700 xt stock was a lie, what a surprise

waiting for the meme response of "but demand was soooo high" like the 6700 xt is holy gpu

[latent light]

Miners buy GPUs by the thousands

If there were even 100,000 in stock at launch it would be gone quick

[opaque saddle]

Unless the government banned cryptocurrency mining

[latent light]

Scalpers, Pandemic panic buyers and the overwhelming demand of the cryptocurrency market is something that could make last for years especially with AMD nearly being fully allocated on console chip production

[opaque saddle]

I don’t think people can buy a graphic card at msrp

[gilded escarp]

no one can yeah

unless you have a bot or something

[opaque saddle]

At least not at initially MSRP, brand new

[latent light]

Once AMD produces GPUs on a different node than 7nm, we may see better supply

5nm is out of question because Apple has that booked

[opaque saddle]

I think 5nm is

I think not 7

[latent light]

We're gonna have to wait until Apple moves to 3nm before we see 5nm AMD products in full swing

[opaque saddle]

Coz 7nm has really high demand. I don’t think if phone chip manufacturers move on to 5nm will free up many space. You can call it many but it won’t catch up with demand

Coz there are a massive chip shortages in car manufacturers as well

[latent light]

Yeah car manufacturing got set back because a canceling of orders iirc

[opaque saddle]

Not sure which node to be exact

Tesla is using both 5 and 7

[latent light]

New Tesla cars are using RDNA2 based Navi 23 chips on 7nm

[opaque saddle]

5nm is with Samsung I heard. Not yet released

[latent light]

Tesla's Model S 2021 cars integrates AMD's Navi 23 GPUs to power the onboard infotainment systems

What's weird is that these GPUs are nearly as powerful as the GPU in the PS5 lol

Is that much power really needed for a car

[opaque saddle]

I wonder how much heat it produced

I don’t think it is enough

At least if they are planned for the future. I don’t think 5G internet and the internal ‘computer’ is enough for nowadays

[latent light]

Bandwidth of 5G internet is plenty

[opaque saddle]

What I was referring to, it is like the machine shall be processing the 5G internet data (minimum bandwidth) per second

I was moving those text across lol

[supple bane]

My guess is its more for the self drive stuff

It probably needs that power to take all the camera and sensor data, interpret it with ai and algorithms then adjust the car accordingly

Sounds intensive to me at least

[opaque saddle]

Yep

Processing those data in real time

You can drive a car with the power of lower end computer without auto pilot or any other features on. But the Tesla HW3 have a refresh rate of 2300fps. As soon as they increase the refresh rate, the more data the computer has to process in real time

[supple bane]

I didn't know it was that high

So the cameras are at 2300 fps or Just the sensors are at 2300 hz?

[opaque saddle]

FPS, claimed by Tesla

But I reckon NPU from the Tesla’s FSD chip does the job for ‘machine learning’. NPU accelerate the speed of the overall performance on a machine with the program, even from the same hardware

[supple bane]

i probably shouldnt put this here as ill get murdered but im somewhat considering the k65 mini

mainly because its cheaper than the ducky one2

[storm osprey]

woooooooooooooooow

[supple bane]

SOMEWHAT

[storm osprey]

am i gonna run out of room?

[supple bane]

ive been using a membrane keyboard for a few hours and im hating it

and im gonna have to put up with this for another month

[storm osprey]

what happened to that cheap gskill?

[supple bane]

well ive decided im getting it as a birthday gift instead of buying it from my own money so my budget has increased

i still really like the alloy pro fps but its only red backlit and it rather have no light that just red

[storm osprey]

woooooow youre like rock now, dont take my advice

[opaque saddle]

I guess the note on my profile isn’t clean

[supple bane]

i do take your advice

its at the bottom of my list for that reason

for YOU

[storm osprey]

we will see what you end up with...

[supple bane]

we shall

ive got a month to decide

[storm osprey]

is keychron k2 on that list?

wait nvm you want name brand

@supple bane is anne pro 2 name brand enough?

[supple bane]

no

[storm osprey]

woooooow not even anne pro?!

[digital hill]

I'll just see if I can get a ps5

[proud trellis]

anne pro 2 is good

one of my friends uses one

[quick locust]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/performance/gopc.html

lol

Salt

[digital hill]

Hmmmm

Defintely some bias in intel.com

[quick locust]

Its their new marketing campaign vs apple

lol

[digital hill]

Still might be mad from apple making their own chips then using there's

[pastel lily]

Someone recommend me a good router under 250 usd

[storm osprey]

only thing that matters

[opaque saddle]

Pc only has ‘hundreds of games’

[storm osprey]

only hundreds

[proud trellis]

only

[storm osprey]

everytime a new game comes that would equal a thousand, an old game is removed from existence

[opaque saddle]

M1 Mac has over than 250,000 games in store

[storm osprey]

shiiiiiit so mac has more games!

"pc" is limited to just 999 games!

[opaque saddle]

I would be wondering whoever thought this intel vs M1 marketing campaign is working, should be fired from the company

I mean, it may work but people will be untrusting intel with the number of negative ratings

[molten bramble]

Everything a PC can do a Mac can do, either inside OSX or dual-booted. This meme-ish image is misleading.

"Limited Creation Apps"... whomever wrote that is high.

[opaque saddle]

One of the reason I got into mac is because Final Cut Pro.

[tender horizon]

you need to run it though origin

download origin first off

then make an account

then link your steam to said account

[steel elbow]

@solar kestrel well on the cpu which would be better/affordable? and like you said with the mother board and how you had to buy new one that worked with tht 10th gen cpu, how did you know which one would work does it say like "compatible with intel" or is it numbers like "5560" yk what i mean??

[opaque saddle]

Intel i5 10400F with B450/B450M?

[solar kestrel]

ye

didnt know much about it at the time and it was on sale for like 90 so i was light

ight why not

[solar kestrel]

460*

got it like hald off lol

rn its 174

and i got it for around 100

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144313?Description=msi mag b460m mortar&cm_re=msi_mag b460m mortar-_-13-144-313-_-Product&quicklink=true

[opaque saddle]

I don’t know which one is which, lol

[solar kestrel]

apparently mine is a micro atx

ddint know that lol

@steel elbow

see how it says intel

and in the description it says

[opaque saddle]

Typo

[solar kestrel]

supports 10th gen

[solar kestrel]

wdym

[opaque saddle]

Nah I always make typos

Anyway the 10400f cost 129USD (converted to USD) here

[solar kestrel]

i picked it up on sale for 140

yikers i made some.... questionable purchases

[opaque saddle]

Or $155 for a 3600

I mean I could get a 3600 with B450M board for 220 USD

Or you can get a board with cpu for Intel for similar price