Dunno how effective it would be tho
#technology
supple bane
proud trellis
it should make some sort of temp difference tho right ?
double the cooling in a way ?
modern gull
I was thinking about the same thing recently to be honest 
i suppose it could work if fans in push pull are indentical
Maybe it wont make a huge diffrence idk but probably it will help
proud trellis
i think the 2 fans on my AIO are both pulling
not one pushing and one pulling
so my cpu must be cooool
modern gull
its called push pull cause one pushes air trough the radiator and the 2nd one pulls air out of the radiator
proud trellis
yeah mine are both pushing then
i thought it was called pulling because you are pulling the air
modern gull
ah i see
proud trellis
onto the rad
modern gull
you have both fans go the same way. one pulls and one pushes depending on which side of radiator
proud trellis
yeah
i would like to have a 360mm rad one day in a future build
idk why but they just look OP
modern gull
that is huge lol
those 3x 120mm
Wouldnt a custom loop cooling have better performance than any aio or does the 360mm compare?
maybe even the 240
modern gull
nice not bad. what voltage at 5.0 tho?
modern gull
lol i dont got cooling for soo high voltage
modern gull
damn haha
supple bane
blower?
In my old case my gpu would also reach 87c
In my new case it reaches around 78 ish
proud trellis
87
holy shit
was that the case you had in the pic you sent ages ago before i had pc
quick locust
uh i can't send pictures so idk if I showed it
but no its not a blower, it's a 3000 rpm triple fan gpu
supple bane
was that the case you had in the pic you sent ages ago before i had pc
Yes
Corsair carbide 275r
supple bane
but no its not a blower, it's a 3000 rpm triple fan gpu
Holy shit, what gpu is it?
Model i mean
quick locust
gainward 2080 ti phoenix gs
proud trellis
Corsair carbide 275r
ahh jeeez there is no airflow for the front pannel ?
supple bane
Looking at it, I assume its a case issue rather than a gpu cooler ?
quick locust
my case has very good airflow
supple bane
Its a triple slot, triple fan with a dense looking heatsink,
quick locust
I have triple 180mm intake
supple bane
Oh you have remounted the cooler?
supple bane
Yeah I've heard thats a good case
Strange
Are you at your pc rn?
If you are put a load on the gpu and feel the air being thrown out the back/ sides of the gpu and see if its hot
Because if the air isn't warm then it means the heatsink isn't heating up and thus a bad mount
supple bane
Well I'm out of ideas, lesson learned I guess don't buy from that company haha
modern gull
that 87c gpu temp is sus lol
supple bane
Yeah, you'll thermal throttle but its not harmful
modern gull
Yeah, you'll thermal throttle but its not harmful
isnt the max 97c tho?
quick locust
my asus laptop once hit 108 all the time, but that was a dead fan 😛
supple bane
If you go above 90c its probably time to stop the load
modern gull
wait its 89 for 2080 ti
quick locust
it never hits 90 or above
supple bane
90c on the gpu is when you'll start doing damage
modern gull
If you go above 90c its probably time to stop the load
probably
but dont the gpu have same protection as cpus?
quick locust
I've noticed that one fan spins much faster than the other though
and keeps revving up and down
yeah they do
supple bane
I just don't get it, how is it possible that a 3 slot 3 fan card can run that hot
supple bane
but dont the gpu have same protection as cpus?
They probably have more than cpu's
quick locust
my asus laptop kept hitting critical temp cause of dead fan
supple bane
They thermal throttle HARD like 350mhz, then shut off
modern gull
i have 3 fan on my gpu it brealy goes higher than 70c
quick locust
until i disabled the gpu on that
supple bane
I have a gigabyte windforce 2x which are known for terrible cooling, but it holds its own i guess
quick locust
I had a vega 64 blower before, now that was something
modern gull
i have gigabyte gpu
quick locust
🛫
modern gull
didnt know they are terible at cooling
modern gull
modern gull
he just meant specific one
Ah i see
quick locust
MSI did 1080 ti Armor which was kind of a joke of a cooler
supple bane
A lot of the windforce cards have a defect which causes them to vibrate really loud
modern gull
oh
modern gull
that be annoying sound
modern gull
I feel my foot getting ready to charge 
with that sound too long my foot would go trough the case at one point
supple bane
Oh man it was awful
I had to leave my case open so I could wiggle the card everytime it started
supple bane
Oh another thing
Before I found the fix to stop that noise I asked gigabyte support
Wanna know what they said
proud trellis
omfg
modern gull
ya why bother
proud trellis
you get as much as you want ... it also includes a free virus
modern gull
Oh interesting sounds like a great package deal
supple bane
Well, if he was tech savy it would be fine
Power off immediately, grab a windows installation media, format all drives, reinstall windows
Good2go
modern gull
all jokes aside tho i think this guy has just fucked his computer up
Oh rip 😦
proud trellis
he has went offline rn so hopefully he is reinstalling something
primal pier
proud trellis
or he has been doxxed
proud trellis
anyone know what port the left one is
im pretty sure the right one is Display port
proud trellis
bent ?
weak girder
all jokes aside tho i think this guy has just fucked his computer up
did he get ransomware?
proud trellis
not sure
proud trellis
i had an issue where it would freeze my pc
but when i repaired game files on origin it stopped it so you should do the same and see if it works
pallid field
helpful.....
weak girder
are you being sarcastic?
molten bramble
!!support
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frank ether
Hi guys, i have a problem, maybe someone knows the solution to it. Recently got myself Samsung EVO 970 NVMe disk, aaaand its loading Battlefield 4 extremly slow ( from 2:30 to 3:00 minutes) , and the problem is only with Battlefield 4, other games are working fine. I reinstalled game like 4 times now. My old HDD had similar loading times like my new NVMe... whats the problem? I contacted EA support but got no answers. Thx for replies
modern gull
Hi guys, i have a problem, maybe someone knows the solution to it. Recently got ...
Hey man. Since you say it only happends to bf4 and your nvme is as slow as your hdd. Are you 100% sure the game is not installed on the HDD by accident?
frank ether
nah, its at the correct disk, aight maybe the HDD was a little bit slower but still 3 minutes on NVMe disk is very slow, tried everything i found on EA forums / battlelogs / reddit, nothing helps
frank ether
nope
near rune
Have you had task manager open when you load the game
frank ether
i must check how it works with BFV, Hardline loads very fast (64 players, around 20-30seconds)
frank ether
Have you had task manager open when you load the game
yeah
frank ether
nothing like that, ima do a quick check right now, but there was nothing like that
near rune
And are you sure your games directory is set to the ssd
modern gull
nah, its at the correct disk, aight maybe the HDD was a little bit slower but st...
Hmmm strange
frank ether
yes it is on ssd
modern gull
It shouldnt load this slow
Maybe the game is running in 32bit by accident? Perhaps that could cause this issue
frank ether
disk usage during map loading: min 2% , max peak was 25% , avg around 5%
but the thing is that for some time there was 0%, for like 40 seconds
modern gull
Are you minimizing the game? maybe that also could cause higher loading times
frank ether
nah
modern gull
Strange
modern gull
but did you check if it was running 32bit?
frank ether
you mean battlefield?
modern gull
yes
frank ether
its in game properties in Origin right?
modern gull
yep
frank ether
Battlefield x64
frank ether
theres also x86 option, whats that?
modern gull
32bit
frank ether
okay
modern gull
dont even understand why they added that option, but i guess compatability with older devices
frank ether
it took 2:20 minutes to load Operation Mortar 64 players
disk usage around 1-5%, but mostly 0%
maybe thats the case
modern gull
really strange to be honest
frank ether
yo dat 0% disk usage during Battlefield 4 loadings is the case
i tested in World Of Warcraft, its around 10-30% while loading, never drops below 10%
battlefield 4 is like 2%, 5%, 10%(for a second) then 0% for like half a minute then is loading again with 5%
and world of warcraft is loading really fast
modern gull
Something wierd is going on for sure. i think it takes about 1-3 min on hdd for me last time i played
first load*
after that maybe about 30 sec ish
frank ether
i just tested it in Rust, fast loading speed, Disk usage never drops below 5%, 20%avg
and also maybe thats the case: i am often kicked for Check your network connection and make sure that port 3659 (UDP) is open. Maybe thats why its loading so slow, its trying to connect me into server or something
frank ether
BF Hardline loads normal, 30 seconds and im in
modern gull
Something wierd with bf4 it seems then
unreal turtle
What's the problem? I have moved the system to a new SSD and it is trying to find bf4 via origin on the old HDD and after a while origin meets an error.
frank ether
had same error, origin reinstall helped me
unreal turtle
origin crash
proud trellis
helpful.....
i told you what to do .... wdym "helpful"
weak girder
^
nocturne jacinth
No tech
weak girder
quick locust
Why is resizable BAR needed when you can map entire vram with 64 bit above 4G anyway
seem redundant
proud trellis
is there any apps that i can download to stop background noises in my mic ?
my mic is on the lowest possible volume and all my friends say im rlly loud still
weak girder
is there any apps that i can download to stop background noises in my mic ?
theres noise suppression on discord
proud trellis
think my gpu is dying
the fans keep stopping every few hours and i have to access MSI afterburner to get them spinning by changing the fan % a little
modern gull
the fans keep stopping every few hours and i have to access MSI afterburner to g...
The fans might have idle mode. Mine does to increasse life time, after a while the fans completly turn of.
unborn cliff
Anyone willing to help me connect a ps4 controller on pc
weak girder
you should have an option in in-game settings
unborn cliff
@weak girder not seeing anything
unborn cliff
@weak girder not seeing it
weak girder
what game?
unborn cliff
Battle Field 4
unborn cliff
@weak girder I have D4W tho
weak girder
idk then, I'm pretty sure it should be in your settings or that it would work by now, maybe check again
one question tho, why would you want to play bf4 with a controller? its gonna give you a big disadvantage compared to other players
modern gull
just use SCP toolkit works for ps3/4 even bluethoot
It converts your ps controller to xbox 360 "most, if not all games supports xbox 360 controller if they have controller support on windows in the first place"
Note! if you are using bluetooth for other things disable or remove bluetooth from usb port before instaling as this will completly occupy your bluetooth for the ps controller, meaning bluetooth wont work for anything else. You also need to disable auto check/install driver at startup. If you dont do this bluetooth driver will be installed and you will only be able to use the ps controller for bluetooth.
Install wizard is pretty straight forward nothing complicated.
@unborn cliff
unborn cliff
I’ll check it out
modern gull
Just buy a xbox controller
unborn cliff
Or new game.
I have the game on steam and tried big picture mode and still can’t play
modern gull
Did you download scp toolkit?
unborn cliff
No I download D4W and it turned my PS4 into a Xbox controller
stuck vapor
#klikard for helper
modern gull
unborn cliff
Yes I had a headset
modern gull
Do you have mic?
If you do i could help you and guide you trough the install wizard
unborn cliff
I’m not online right now
modern gull
Oh i see
unborn cliff
Maybe tomorrow. I’m about to sleep
modern gull
Just try scp toolkit. i recomend uinstalling other tools as it might conflict with the new ones
unborn cliff
I’ll try it tomorrow or whenever I get time again
modern gull
follow my text and it should work no problem if you have bluetooth
modern gull
I’ll try it tomorrow or whenever I get time again
Ah ok gl
unborn cliff
Okay
weak girder
quick locust
PS4 and PS3 controller are built into linux
no need to download things there
PS5 too
is nice
not that I'd want to play BFV with a controller anyway that'd be death sentence
weak girder
PS4 and PS3 controller are built into linux
hmmmm is battlefield on linux tho
quick locust
yes using dxvk
Anyway good luck using controller on pc though, probably will be hard
prime jasper
wow he got one
weak girder
yes using dxvk
tbh just...
dont use linux to play games
quick locust
why not
weak girder
theres not a whole lot of them and linux doesnt have dx12
quick locust
it does with vkd3d
weak girder
vkd3d is similar but not the same as dx12
weak girder
tbh except if linux is your main OS I see no point in linux gaming
quick locust
Most things run just fine
Except games with kernel anti cheat, because well, you don't have the NT kernel
weak girder
yeah but windows runs more games and probably better.
like I said, except if linux is your main OS there's no point in downloading it just for gaming
weak girder
Most games run about the same
yeah but you have less options
quick locust
And yeah you don't download an OS just for gaming
weak girder
ik
quick locust
An OS just for gaming is called a console
weak girder
I was just saying based solely on gaming windows is better
weak girder
linux is good for coding and on low end hardware since its a bit more stable
weak girder
I was generalizing
since I think most people use it mainly for those 2 reasons
and hacking
fallow garden
Is water cooling used for only cpu or for other components too?
green lintel
Np
supple bane
Is water cooling used for only cpu or for other components too?
Gpu and cpu mainly, and in some very rare cases motherboard power delivery
quick locust
Most components can be watercooled
Just that most of them don't make much sense besides gpu and cpu
proud trellis
i would only ever water cool my CPU
quick locust
i would cpu and gpu
opaque saddle
at least i wouldnt water cool my psu
cpu and gpu are fine
m.2 nvme ssd can be water cool coz it gets really hot
this is why they got a heatsink on top on the pcie4 nvme ssd
strong breach
I dont trust in myself enough to watercool my own pc
opaque saddle
nah, it generated heat from the chips
opaque saddle
while you move files across, like moving 200gb of files from nvme drive to another
the one writes will generate the heat, to like 80C
quick locust
my laptops ssd gets toasty
proud trellis
thats the thing tho , watercooling would be a sacrifice if i ever done it
if i spilt 1 drop on my gpu it would be fucked
opaque saddle
btw check this out
solar kestrel
I’m just gonna stick with traditional cooling
It’s easier, cheaper, and I won’t accidentally spill it all over my parts and ruining them
solemn bay
anyone with a 3080 that still play BF4 here ? i feel like mine is underperforming :
i struggle to get 200+ fps (fps cap disabled by console command ofc) on 1440p all on low / disabled except meshes on ultra, TM show ~25 30% GPU usage .
all kind of drivers updated, performance mode enabled etc etc...
my rig : https://pcpartpicker.com/user/golgothic/saved/#view=rQtKpg
supple bane
anyone with a 3080 that still play BF4 here ? i feel like mine is underperformin...
youre gonna be running into engine limits at that point
the bottleneck for frames isnt your pc, its the game its self
why are you playing on low with a system like that anyway? better visability ?
solemn bay
there's a lot of videos of players with lower spec rigs on similar settings with 300+ tho
solemn bay
why are you playing on low with a system like that anyway? better visability ?
of course
supple bane
and do you have a 240/360hz monitor ?
solemn bay
144hz only for now sadly
solemn bay
its more to prevent frame drops to be as visible as they are now, on certain maps (hainan or caspian for exemple) with flame effects i can go under 100 fps, which is not normal for a pc like mine
supple bane
hmm
im not familiar with bf4, but does it have a dx11/dx12 option?
if it does try the other one to which ever you are using atm
solemn bay
i believe its dx11 only
supple bane
are you at 100% resolution scale ?
solemn bay
30 to 35 %
latent light
Battlefield 4 is mostly CPU bounded for single-thread, if you want the absolute maximum performance possible you need the best CPU available, not a ridiculously overkill graphics card for a game that was designed for the GTX 600/700 series
@solemn bay
solemn bay
well i still have a 3800X @ 4.1ghz, seems like it should be enough
latent light
R7 3800X gonna bottleneck a RTX 3080 especially in a CPU bound game
CPU like the 5800X would yield over 25% more single-thread performance
solemn bay
according to benches its up to 10% less frames on more modern games like TW3 or BFV
latent light
Older game like BF4 would see tremendously more performance from a CPU upgrade
solemn bay
like, 3Dmark says that i would get 170+ on bf5 ultra settings
so i still dont see why i would get less / equivalent on low settings on bf4
supple bane
because its a different game?
low graphics means more cpu demanding
higher graphics means more gpu demanding
there isnt a cpu on earth that wouldnt bottleneck a 3080 at low settings
latent light
Yeah playing at low graphics settings makes your RTX 3080 very useless especially on a 7 year old game
solemn bay
well, my goal is to get as much frames as i possibly can, not to get cinematic shots
so playing on low is the way
supple bane
well then, there probably isnt a fat lot you can do
latent light
Ryzen 7 5800X is up to 50% faster than the 3800X in older games
CSGO and league especially
supple bane
@solemn bay have you tried playing on higher settings just out of interest ?
it wont increase the fps. but since it should take some load off core 0 it might stop stuttering
solemn bay
i'd need to test that on servers since the test range is really easy to run on, i had 600+ at max earlier today, which is nowhere near what i get in game
latent light
Yeah increasing graphics settings may help with stutter
Your average and maximum fps will go down but there should be less frametime spikes
near rune
More stable fps
latent light
Ryzen 1000 to Ryzen 5000 performance
@solemn bay since BF4 is an older title that's CPU bound like csgo, you would see similar performance results from getting a 5000 series CPU
solemn bay
anyone in EU willing to buy a 3800X then ? 
latent light
If I were you I'd get a 5600X, that's 2 less cores less than the 3800X but the per-core performance of the 5600X makes it almost match the 3800X in multi-threaded tasks
solemn bay
wouldnt i be even more bottlenecked in other titles though ?
latent light
Nah not at all
No games really need more than a 6 core/12 thread CPU
Even 6 core/6 thread and 4 core/8 thread CPUs are still playing the most recent titles smoothly
supple bane
anyone in EU willing to buy a 3800X then ? <:Kappa:562440529028055040>
I would but I only just broke free of my hardware buying addiction
I was buying an upgrade like every 3 months
solemn bay
i upgraded november of 2019, it hurts to hear that i have to upgrade the cpu ngl
proud trellis
Even 6 core/6 thread and 4 core/8 thread CPUs are still playing the most recent ...
swear down 6C cpus get fucked by BFV
molten coral
My CPU has 6C and it's doing fine though
opaque saddle
Actually... assuming you got an 8 core processor already. the extra 2 cores will make background tasks run “smoother” without grabbing too much resources from the other “6 cores”. If the game utilised 6 cores and you have a 6 cores processor, the background tasks will have to share the recourses with the game per se. In the future, if the cpu usage is constantly higher than 90% or 99%, meaning the background tasks will have to steal resources from the game (the game will have higher priority than certain background tasks), so it runs less smoother.
Unless you don’t really run background tasks, you don’t need a 8 cores processor. (Discord desktop application can be considered as intensive for some lower end computers, but for us, we don’t have those sort of issues)
modern gull
No games really need more than a 6 core/12 thread CPU
False, but that depends on how you look at really dont need more cpu performance.
One example at higher framerates the better cpu will help the gpu work harder and provide more fps.
opaque saddle
Battlefield V can use full 6 cores or spread out 6 cores tasks into the 8 cores. But it will not fully utilised 8 cores
modern gull
So are you saying bf5 will never use no more than 6 cores ever, like if you have 16 cores and 32 treads it will only use the total performance of 6 cores only?
opaque saddle
Yeah...
opaque saddle
Coz I was looking at other screenshot s of people running the game
modern gull
Ah i see
opaque saddle
With task manager. But it only use 6 FULL cores
But definitely the processor can spread the task all over the other parts of the cpu
But will not fully utilised
So what it means is, it can spread up to 28 cores??? (as far as I remember), but will not be fully utilised (maybe like 10% on CPU1, 5% on CPU6, 1% in CPU15 etc)
modern gull
modern gull
I get what you are saying yes
slate rivet
hey
digital hill
Heyo
Did you plug in the front panel connectors?
like did you plug it in correctly it can be a pain sometimes
slate rivet
i might livestream it and see where i went wrong 
modern gull
My friend has 8 core cpu and better performance than me and i only have 6 core "identical single core performace" @opaque saddle
digital hill
First lets check the front panel connectors
Unplug everything
from those connectors
modern gull
Dont buy evga psu
opaque saddle
My friend has 8 core cpu and better performance than me and i only have 6 core "...
I think it was 10% better
digital hill
and grab your trusty screwdriver and do this
opaque saddle
But still not sure why
opaque saddle
Would nicer if you got a more powerful GPU..
digital hill
That's why I'm waiting to buy the rtx 3060
opaque saddle
Yeah
modern gull
you make that list on amazon?
opaque saddle
Even a 3070 will do the job anyway
proud trellis
Where do you make that list?
pcpartpicker
digital hill
I mean I got to wait a while as I don't got the money even though I got the money
opaque saddle
I’m gonna use my 2070s for another 4 years also
modern gull
this is mine, the new cpu comes next week, i only have i7 8700k now.
proud trellis
im just gonna stay with my current pc until it cant run anything i play
opaque saddle
Don’t worry if you got a more expensive GPU, you should be worried if you didn’t get the right GPU with the performance that you wanted in a few years time
@digital hill
rigid mica
Got a weird question, but would anyone be able to help me through the process of buying a pre-built gaming PC? I'm looking to get something that would run most triple A games at decent frame rates, preferably max settings if not close to it, I've got roughly 1300 to play around with but can spend a little bit over if needed, I'm sorry if this is allot to ask, I'm just very new to the whole PC spectrum and have no idea what to look for
digital hill
First you must get from a decent brand like ibuypower or nzxt or corsair
rigid mica
I saw the ibuypower around and wasn't sure how reliable they would be, I also saw allot of cyberpower
rigid mica
Gotcha, so you would just have to select the parts and all that jazz
digital hill
Yeah let me check how it works
Ah I see they just auto select parts based on the games you play
But they'll give you a price point after you select but you can configure so they fit your price range
rigid mica
Awesome, I'll have to check that out and keep youtubing and such, I never knew diving into PC gaming would be such a chore, it's an ocean of options haha
digital hill
Yeah
craggy pivot
@rigid mica what are you trying too do with it?
digital hill
He may want to build his gaming pc
craggy pivot
I mean it depends what your trying too do with it like what games your trying too play
rigid mica
I would like to play modded grand theft auto, mod the elder scrolls, as well as battlefield, r6, most shooters and rpgs, maybe even mod minecraft for raytracing
blazing portal
hy i have a bag with the download of the BF if some one can help me please DM me i don't know how to fix that
prime jasper
Anybody know how to bypass resetting your password without email on battlefield I no longer have the email and can’t play battlefield without it
quick locust
rip
orchid folio
time to wait 10 hours
digital hill
I have a second mouse which the g502 replaced
orchid folio
oh ok
digital hill
my almost 1 year ago corsair dark core rgb mousee
Bascially replaced due to some shitty ass micro usb connector
quick locust
micro usb sucks
prime jasper
this is mine, the new cpu comes next week, i only have i7 8700k now.
get a ryzen
weak girder
get a ryzen
why?
weak girder
its about the same price
prime jasper
yes
weak girder
better than intel
no, they're just becoming more popular
slate rivet
ignore, me being an idiot as usual :)_
proud trellis
i have no audio on star wars BF2 anyone know how i can fix it , already checked settings and nothing is wrong
slate rivet
in game settings aswell as windows settings?
supple bane
Do I need these?
those are for hard drives and shit
water pumps, fan controllers etc
slate rivet
i plugged the headset button into the power on mb
proud trellis
i have no audio on star wars BF2 anyone know how i can fix it , already checked ...
update ... i cant hear videos on discord now
supple bane
have you tried plugging it into a different audio jack/monitor audio?
have you looked around control panel, realtek?
proud trellis
i can hear my friends in VC but not any game sound or videos on discord
slate rivet
🙂
weak girder
living life on the edge
supple bane
rip those gpu temps
vert mounting like that kills gpu temps as its so close to the glass
latent light
Intel upcoming 11th generation won't support H410 and B460 motherboards
What a joke
supple bane
amd with b450 still supporting their latest chips 
digital hill
Intel is always a joke with their chipsets some of them didn't even support intel i9 when it came out
slate rivet
indigo narwhal
i agree
digital hill
amd bascially killed intel in the long term department though amd b450 might be at the end of its life as now they are cutting out 450 and under but still supporting the x570
latent light
ASRock A320 chipset even supports Ryzen 5000
indigo narwhal
mmmmm
latent light
Intel motherboards usually supports 2 generations but now it looks like they are only gonna start doing 1 gen
digital hill
Which is gonna fuck up intel even more
quick locust
I use a 2017 cpu still so
indigo narwhal
why 1 gen???
digital hill
money
indigo narwhal
👍
quick locust
my 8700K is eternal
digital hill
Why keep supporting an older mobo when you can kill it faster and force users to buy new mobo's causing a price increase
proud trellis
is the 3060ti better then a 2080ti ?
indigo narwhal
i think so
digital hill
I don't think so
indigo narwhal
ok
digital hill
though in price to performance it beats thee 2080ti
indigo narwhal
ok ok
in graphic card i have the amd radeon rx 580 8gb
battlefiled 1 in ultra graphics and 60 fps
@digital hill what graphic card you have?
in your pc
digital hill
msi gtx 1660ti
indigo narwhal
and how it looks to you so far?
digital hill
good
slate rivet
glad to finally get the thermal paste in the RAM slots to keep them in place
indigo narwhal
in the ram slots???
slate rivet
yeah, helps keep the ram from moving 🙂
digital hill
Hmmm I wonder why your pc doesn't work
slate rivet
i'm joking
indigo narwhal
yea
slate rivet
and it's workiing
digital hill
I was also joking
slate rivet
digital hill
You guys ever put thermal paste under the processor
indigo narwhal
under**********
slate rivet
You guys ever put thermal paste under the processor
yes while it's in the box
supple bane
I hate thermal paste lol
Its horrid stuff, it just gets everywhere
Physics say matter cannot be created, but say that to the tiny smudge of paste on my finger that I was unknowingly spreading to every corner of the fucking universe
digital hill
evga 500w 80+ white
solar kestrel
do you think a 450w could run it 
proud trellis
ive got 450 watt
opaque saddle
You usually have to times the wattage number by 0.8
Like with 80+ standard, 600w PSU can produce 480w or greater
quick locust
@opaque saddle not how it works
solar kestrel
i hope not otherwise i am fUcKeD
opaque saddle
<@341537732717445133> not how it works
Easier for people to understand
Which means like if total maximum wattage is like 450w
They should get a 600w PSU
opaque saddle
Unless it’s gold or platinum
quick locust
the effiency is about the conversion effiency, not about the psu only being able to supply 480W when its rated for 600
quick locust
Infact to get 80+ cert you must be stable on the given wattage
quick locust
yes
opaque saddle
I remember people used to get 80+ bronze or gold
Pretty much nowadays opt for gold
quick locust
Mine is gold but could pass for plat
opaque saddle
If I got a 400w system I would put a better PSU on it
quick locust
But yeah, any psu with a cert rated for 600W must be able to supply 600W to the rails, the effiency is about the power before conversion (from wall) compared to after (to rails)
If my pc used 1000W or so, it'd probably be 1100-1200 from wall
opaque saddle
In that case I would go for 550w coz the lower end products won’t last long
Here is my power socket stats
halcyon mauve
Hi
quick locust
Could be interesting to measure mine
halcyon mauve
Il y a français
quick locust
english
quick locust
yes
halcyon mauve
Ok nice
quick locust
my psu fan speed doesnt start climbing much before I use 750W lol
opaque saddle
I was thinking to get a 550w but I went for a modular 620
opaque saddle
Coz the headroom is important tho
After you have upgrade your pc
They are pretty much the same, but modular is even more expensive
quick locust
Molex cables are the bane of my side panel
since the side panel clearance is rather low
opaque saddle
I have replaced my 4th Gen intel build with 960, now with the 3600 and 2070s
quick locust
nice
opaque saddle
Didn’t actually replace my PSU
quick locust
my 8700K is 4 years old now but great
opaque saddle
However... if I went for a 2080S with i7, it may cause a problem
Since the headroom is meant to save you money in long run, I usually tell people to go for a better GPU
quick locust
I ran both vega 64 and 2080 for a while until i sold my vega
ran folding@home on it
opaque saddle
so they might have saved 1-2 years cost of part replacement
I was thinking to get 5700xt at that time
But amd had buggy software
quick locust
Radeon VII I considered but dissapeared before I chose anything
opaque saddle
They were out for 6 months
quick locust
their stock wasnt
quick locust
yeah
quick locust
I sold my vega 64 for 320 usd
opaque saddle
Coz it was so buggy
quick locust
then a few months later my msi a-pro commited seppuku with my 2080
and I was on intel graphics for a while
lll
lol*
quick locust
thats whats on 8700K
opaque saddle
The iris plus 655 is good tho, not for gaming
I have a MacBook pro and I use the UHD630 for 99.9% of the time
quick locust
Xe improves it but its still integrated graphics
well yeah laptops do that to save battery
opaque saddle
I’m actually surprised how good the APU on new consoles
latent light
Next gen Intel integrated graphics supposed to beat Vega7 graphics in the Ryzen 7 4750G
opaque saddle
I mean amd is capable to design those chips
quick locust
They're big and has much more bandwidth
opaque saddle
If they can have an integrated option like console, people may actually be interested for ITX built
quick locust
(though less bandwidth than ampere)
latent light
RX 6900XT matches the RTX 3090 while having half the amount of memory bandwidth
quick locust
depends on workload
latent light
Gaming
opaque saddle
I think I have spoken to you guys before about the console power consumption before they were out
latent light
CDNA has 50% more cores than RDNA
storm osprey
pretty sure the 3090 wins at 4k over 6900xt
supple bane
nah they match
storm osprey
supple bane
they trade blows almost perfectly
supple bane
storm osprey
that video shows 3090 winning most games by 5-10 fps and only losing 1
supple bane
i think we are forgetting that 5 fps is basically matching performance lol
storm osprey
im not suggesting to buy a 3090 (or a 6900xt for that matter either), but to say they match is generally a lie
5 fps isnt a lot, it is when youre talking sub 70 fps, hell even 50 fps thats 10%
molten coral
storm osprey
this is why techpowerup converts numbers to percentages
8 games is a pretty weak sample pool too, at least techpowerup uses something around 25
supple bane
after skipping through the numbers i suppose they dont match as much as i remember them doing.
but still for 500 bucks less its pretty good lol
at least it should be 500 bucks less
storm osprey
*at 1080p
storm osprey
at least it should be 500 bucks less
right, i dont recommend buying a 3090 at all, but to say they match is basically a lie
in the rare instance someone is misguided enough to buy a 700+ gpu for 1080p gaming, sure, you can generalize 6800xt and 6900xt are better
so lets give the nod to amd at 1080p, 1440p is probably even, and the nod to nvidia at 4k
considering the purpose of these cards you can easily weigh 4k more important for both of these cards, so 3090 is objectively better
hell this is straight rasterization performance too, if any game supports DLSS at all youre talking huge performance gains from that too
plus second gen ray tracing
storm osprey
Yea, not saying ray tracing is a deciding factor like dlss can be but it’s a perk
supple bane
fucking linus drop tips man
watch the first 60 seconds ish of this. it hurt my soul
storm osprey
yea pretty cringe
coarse nimbus
That's why you always skip YouTuber tech intros
storm osprey
well youd miss ltt signature move
solar kestrel
i have a task for ye people on the internet
waht gpu would you get to pair with an i-5 10400f and a 450w psu
asking for a friend
storm osprey
budget? use? games?
solar kestrel
300 if everything was normal
preferably below 250 is what they said
and for gaming at 75 fps minimum prefered 115+
the most demanding game they wanted to play they said was like squad and postcirptum
storm osprey
at that point the recommended would probably be some sort of 1660 /ti/super
solar kestrel
alright
storm osprey
assuming new only
solar kestrel
how much should that card cost st normal price
solar kestrel
assuming new only
yes
solar kestrel
i know about those
im waiting for more information about them
before i think about getting one of the teo
storm osprey
that wait is probably going to be a few months till launch at least, and then how many more months till you can readily buy them?
solar kestrel
idk ill wait as long as i have to
i have a pc now
just wanna get a new gpu thats all
storm osprey
i thought we were talking about your friend?
solar kestrel
storm osprey
damn liar
solar kestrel
lol
storm osprey
so you dont need a pc now?
solar kestrel
no
storm osprey
or asap
solar kestrel
ill wait till fall if i have to
storm osprey
well yea, just wait to see what comes and try to buy at launch
solar kestrel
okie dokie
storm osprey
you have a pc now?
solar kestrel
yeah
storm osprey
specs?
storm osprey
so you have no gpu, youre just using your igpu?
storm osprey
holy poo
solar kestrel
uh huh
im borrowing it from my cousins old computor so i could go ahead and build my new pc for school
so what is the 3050/3050ti supposed to be equivalent to
in terms of performance
or is there not enough information on the card yet
storm osprey
theres absolutely not information on this gpu
at best i would imagine theres model numbers
solar kestrel
storm osprey
3050/ti will probably be around 2060 performance
solar kestrel
oh ok
storm osprey
but who knows
supple bane
so what is the 3050/3050ti supposed to be equivalent to
the rumours i have seen so far are comparing it to a 2060 yes
storm osprey
ive been hearing ddr5 has been coming for years now and its still not
supple bane
but they are just that, rumours
solar kestrel
so it should be around the performance of a 1070 but newer and cheaper
if the rumors are true
supple bane
it will smash a 1070
storm osprey
uhhh 2060 is closer to 1080
supple bane
well, its somewhere in between
storm osprey
supple bane
hmmmmm
storm osprey
1920x1080
coarse nimbus
Did someone link user benchmarks?! Reeeeeee trash
supple bane
i use userbenchmark to get a quick general idea of how fast something is
but as i said if two cards are really close in performance like a 5700xt and 2070 super for example, it doesnt really work
coarse nimbus
BuT iTs sTraIgHt trASh
supple bane
as they constantly switch places
solar kestrel
ah ok
coarse nimbus
I guess their chart of popular stuff is skewed to Intel? Even though everyone bought amd
supple bane
i mean you dont have to look far to realise how fucked up it is lmao
it lists the 5900x above the 5950x
and excuse me?
latent light
Userbenchmark admins probably threw a tantrum when they saw Ryzen 5000 was gonna be at the top of their lists
solar kestrel
supple bane
thread ripper 2970WX slower than an i5 7600
latent light
Then they had to readjust their scoring algorithm once again
solar kestrel
yikes
storm osprey
i sense a scandal but really dont care about userbenchmark to care
supple bane
probably one of the most powerful workstation cpu on the planet, nah bro ryzen 3 all the way
solar kestrel
lul
storm osprey
so the question is if all 3 categories carries the same weight
which.. would be dumb
supple bane
and yeah it shows the TR to be faster than the ryzen 3 on workstation, but why doesnt that affect the way its listed on the list
and why is workstation only fucking double lol it has 16x the amount of threads and a higher clockspeed
storm osprey
its like when i see phone reviewers do a comparison between 2 phones, and give a check mark to "build quality" and value it the same as internal specs..
i can only hope userbenchmark understands weighted reviewing
supple bane
but what is the most important metric ?
storm osprey
"its depends"
supple bane
because when talking about raw horse power workstation metric would be the most prominent, but the average user wants gaming
so basically be misleading is the only way out
molten coral
Stupid question maybe but if I would upgrade to a 5900x will I have to update the mobo so the CPU works on it?
storm osprey
"it depends"
molten coral
Mhh, I see.
supple bane
b450 and x470 will need a bios update but will still work
solar kestrel
supple bane
youre gpu is dying tho, get a 3080 instead
solar kestrel
storm osprey
this suggests they favor gaming performance over anything, and desktop shouldnt even be a factor
molten coral
youre gpu is dying tho, get a 3080 instead <:haHAA:562440524741476381>
if they were in stock and closer to MSRP yes.
supple bane
Kinda feel like spending money on stuff I don't need
aheem cough cough if you do get something new ill take that 8700k+mobo combo off your hands
solar kestrel
are you BEGGING
molten coral
What if you take my whole PC but without all the SSD's and M2's.
So I can build a new one
supple bane
fucking sure bud
solar kestrel
storm osprey
you take the pc, and nacho takes money
solar kestrel
here me out... granty gets case, cpu, mobo- i get gpu and psu 
solar kestrel
supple bane
the gpu is dying anyway so go ahead
solar kestrel
there is no such thing as a downgrade from what i have
its slightly bettter then a i-3 AGPU
molten coral
bruh since when are they over a thousand?
supple bane
lol i thought my scroll wheel was broke
i thought i was scrolled up on the chat and was cutting most the image off
molten coral
supple bane
bruh since when are they over a thousand?
are you actually considering getting one ?
is it worth it?
molten coral
probably not
proud trellis
5900x is 16 cores isnt it ? or is it 12
molten coral
12 cores
solar kestrel
there are so many people with the name RACC im getting confused
what was ur old name
molten coral
Ice boy
proud trellis
yes
solar kestrel
bruh i just rememberd i can click on you to find your actual discord name
molten coral
I always go overkill
storm osprey
if budget allows i go 1 step above
supple bane
nacho is rich boy
storm osprey
its hard to recommend 5800x over 10700k though
coarse nimbus
3090 not overkill enough for me
digital hill
If your on amd then just stay on amd
supple bane
i still think the 9600k is a really good option for someone on a tighter budget
they are super cheap rn and its still powerful
digital hill
True but I mean amd r5 3600 is also a good option
supple bane
9600k would cream a 3600
especially with its overclocking
it can overclock to near 5ghz
proud trellis
would a R9 3900XT not be better ?
digital hill
The problem is amd is pretty good for people on a tight budget
supple bane
wut
proud trellis
price wise
storm osprey
in usa intel is actually the better budget option
supple bane
its like 8x the price?
digital hill
I live in usa
supple bane
the 9600k is like 170 pounds
digital hill
The problem is stock shortages
storm osprey
10700k comparable to 5800x, 5800x is 100 bucks more
10400 comparable to 3600, 10400 is 40 bucks cheaper
molten coral
nacho is rich boy
I wish
digital hill
Yeah but in amd your gurannted to have a long upgrade path compared to intel
storm osprey
yea but how many people on a budget are concerned about upgrading their cpu within 3 years?
digital hill
True
storm osprey
not only that but we are close to ddr5 being consumer
digital hill
but they have the option
storm osprey
yea options are nice, but in this case i dont think they outweigh the outright savings for performance and most people keeping cpus for 5 years
storm osprey
they are super cheap rn and its still powerful
how much are 9600k there?
supple bane
170 pounds
storm osprey
interesting
supple bane
about 190 dollars (?)
storm osprey
your prices are pretty solid compared to here
solar kestrel
i payed 142 on new egg
solar kestrel
it is
proud trellis
can the 3060ti run 1440p for a few years max settings ?
molten bramble
Why couldn't it?
storm osprey
loaded question
molten bramble
Whether it's going to perform well is a different thing altogether, but actually running it? Should be just fine.
However, also need to consider the rest of that machine.
storm osprey
i mean... i doubt a 3060ti can run cyberpunk at 1440p max settings (including rt on or off, no dlss) at 60fps
proud trellis
its because im gonna get rid of my current pc when i get the replacement
im not sure wether to get a 3060ti or 3070
storm osprey
if you want 1440p/max settings/60fps, expect to uprade every 1-2 years
molten bramble
i mean... i doubt a 3060ti can run cyberpunk at 1440p max settings (including rt...
Considering the game was built for a 20-series card that the 30-series built off of, I think it'll be fine.
Just will run like shit FPS wise.
To achieve visuals at max settings though, sure, totally possible.
Actually, I think it was technically built for the 10-series, wasn't it?
storm osprey
🤷
molten bramble
Was like 8-9 years in development?
Almost around the same amount of time for Star Citizen.
storm osprey
valhalla at 1440p max settings gets 60 fps average with 3060 ti
molten bramble
Star Citizen is probably foregoing RTX and going with Vulkan instead.
proud trellis
would a 3070 be better
storm osprey
yea 1440p max settings is not going to be a "future proof" thing imo
proud trellis
for 1440p
molten bramble
Personally, I have a 3080, but I wouldn't have bought less than a 3070 myself.