technology

[latent light]

An SSD with a lack of DRAM cache has to use a portion of the drive's actual storage as a replacement for cache, which isn't as fast as DRAM, causes more wear on the drive, and as the drive gets closer to being full, it slows down more

[modern gull]

@latent light Forgot about DLSS 2.0. Basicaly free extra fps with minimal quality reduction.

One person got about 145%+ fps at lowest DLSS quality setting on the video i just watched " with the new 3xxx series gpu's". This depends on game and gpu i suppose.

Found a guy reviewing it https://youtu.be/eS1vQ8JtbdM if you're interested knowing about it

[weak girder]

do I need 16gb of ram and a 6 core cpu to record gameplay in intensive titles such as rdr2 and bf5/1?

[fallen harbor]

depends on the quality you want to record in

16gb of ram is recommended even if youre not recording, not necessary, but still recommended because you can make use of more than 8gb plus 8.8 for dual channel

6 cores also depends on the speed of these

if its around 4.00ghz id say its good

i have an i5 8400 which is 6c6t on 4.00ghz and 16gb of ram and a rx590 and i have no problem ar all recording 1080p and 60fps videos

on bf5

[supple bane]

yeah recording isnt intensive lol

if your pc can play thoses games comfortably, it can record them too

only super old components playing modern AAA titles will be hit from recording

[weak girder]

ok thx

i have a i3 8100 so its quad core 4 threads at 3.6ghz

[modern gull]

If you have nvidia gpu "6xx series + if i remmeber corectly" you can record using shadow play "geforce experience" with minimal to no performance impact. You could also use other recording software that supports NVENC.

also i am sure the windows 10 xbox game bar scren recorder also supports NVENC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_NVENC

[ashen ether]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/492031080564654100/790517058818408448/IMG_20201221_130831.jpg

Waiting for my ram to arrive

It's the only part that is missing. Hopefully it arrives tomorrow

[proud trellis]

nice

[mild siren]

I have a question

I know that 32 GB ram is more than needed for lots of stuff

But is there a difference

Between 2x8 and 2x16

Like would the dual channel still work well?

[ashen ether]

Other than it is bigger in storage there's nothing in particular

[proud trellis]

i dont think there is an advantage in the gaming side

[mild siren]

I know

[proud trellis]

yes

[mild siren]

Okay thanks

[mild siren]

Yep just what I wanted to know

[ashen ether]

Unless you open all adobe apps at the same time then there would be a difference.

[mild siren]

Thanks

[proud trellis]

but you will just be able to have more things open in the background

[mild siren]

Yes yes

Thanks

Also

Do PSUs have lots of noise?

[proud trellis]

power supplies dont make much noise i dont think lol

[mild siren]

I am speaking of ~120-180 price range

Okay thanks

[proud trellis]

no

[mild siren]

I mean some advertise as “Super silent PSU!”

And then others don’t say much about sound

Okay thanks

[proud trellis]

psu's obviously do make some noise as they have fans but i dont hear mine as i hear my case fans

[mild siren]

Oh yeah and what fan size tends to be more quiet?

[proud trellis]

its not fan size

[mild siren]

I heard 120mm would be louder than another one

[proud trellis]

if u go onto places that sell fans like tech websites it should say how loud they are

[mild siren]

I know it’s not only fan size

[proud trellis]

120mm is the avg size of fans im pretty sure

[mild siren]

Yeah I was giving an example

Imma find a guide or something like that

Thanks for all the above answers though

[proud trellis]

https://www.corsair.com/uk/en/Categories/Products/Fans/sp-series-rgb-led-config/p/CO-9050059-WW#tab-tech-specs

it says at the bottom on tech specs

[proud trellis]

youtubes the best place to go if your looking for fans

think LTT done some vids on fans

[mild siren]

Okay

Epic!

Thanks

[supple bane]

generally the bigger you go the quieter the fan gets

actually, thats fact

fan noise is a representation of how fast it is spinning, a larger fan doesnt have to spin as fast to move the same volume of air, so a 90mm fan might have to spin at 2500 rpm yet a 140mm would only have to spin at 1100rpm to move the same amount of air

thus the 140mm is quieter

[mild siren]

Yeah thanks

[storm osprey]

in the market for case fans? arctic p12 pwm easily

[mild siren]

Okay

[storm osprey]

noctua fans are like 25 bucks for 1, gentle typhoon 20 bucks, you can get a 5 pack of arctic for 40 bucks

[mild siren]

Thanks!

@storm osprey Also average price for decent cpu cooler?

[storm osprey]

depends on the cpu

if youre getting a 10700k you need like a 80+ cpu cooler, for a 5600x a 30 dollar cpu cooler would probably be just fine

[mild siren]

Okay

Thanks

[storm osprey]

so.. what cpu do you have?

[mild siren]

Nah don’t worry you gave me a decent representation

It’s i7 something

I just needed what you told me

: )

[storm osprey]

if an i7 and i assume a recent i7 i would get the arctic cooler liquid freezer ii or cougar aqua

not 120mm, 240mm+

idk how prices are there to really help though

[mild siren]

No problem

I just needed a general feel

[latent light]

Apple has secured 80% of TSMC's 5nm chip production capacity for 2021

Yeah, Zen4 is definitely delayed

Unless they let it be a paper launch

[glossy plinth]

or get corsair fans

corsair's LL series are

[tiny sorrel]

put pricy

[proud trellis]

Shush

[latent light]

Corsair

Fans

[proud trellis]

^

[glossy plinth]

lmao

[coarse nimbus]

you get better fps there

[fallen harbor]

demon's souls

[ashen ether]

So I turned on my pc without a display and ram ( i have a monitor but didnt hook it up and my ram hasnt arrived yet). Suprisingly, all of the parts turned on. But was it harmful for the pc to be turned on without the rest of the parts?

[lofty light]

It's fine it just won't boot

Without RAM you'll get post beeps

[ashen ether]

@lofty light thanks but I have another question. My dad bought a new power strip last night and tested it on my new computer. The case zapped me and the pc wouldnt turn on. I was having a panick attack because I really thought I esd'ed my pc. Then I went to get old power strips to test my pc and suprisingly it turned on again last night. And out of curiousity earlier, i powered it on again and it worked. Did I damage my parts with the faulty power strip?

[lofty light]

I'd leave it alone and test it when you get all the parts

Can't say anything without a working machine

[ashen ether]

@lofty light but is my pc still turning on earliee a good sign of eveything is still working?

i'm just afraid i damaged a part

[lofty light]

No clue until you can see an image

[ashen ether]

I'm a first time builder at all

[lofty light]

Just to be safe wait is what I'd reccomend

[ashen ether]

yea I also bought a surge protector

Earlier

[strong breach]

https://i.imgur.com/MI5QkcT.png

AAAAAAH

it's greeeen

it's been shipped

[supple bane]

noice

[modern gull]

gz, 3 long and sad months i assume? hehe

[strong breach]

this took way too long

[modern gull]

Ya sure did. you know what i ordered the 3070 right, got comfirmed date and all. you know what now there is no date anymore lol. was gonna arive basicaly next week or week after.

Think i might just order from other place, this shop seemed to mess around to much i'd say.

[toxic wigeon]

When will it come in hess?

[proud trellis]

buying GPU'S when they first come out seems so stressful , if i ever build a pc in the future and woudl like to get a new card coming out i might wait a few months after release lol

[modern gull]

Been a few months already

3080 was released september

[molten coral]

someone wanted to buy my 2080ti for 600 but I said no because I can't go without a GPU for months

[proud trellis]

them prices dropped when the new ones came out didn’t they ?

[molten coral]

No, they are still selling them for 1100+

[proud trellis]

ohh

[modern gull]

tf are those prices lol

[molten coral]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lofty light]

Ignoring that they're overpriced to start; blower is more expensive than three of them?

[supple bane]

more expensive than an aorus xtreme too

they are pretty good iirc

[molten coral]

Hoping the 3080 founders edition will be in stock around april

or the 3080ti

[coarse nimbus]

Hess plugs in new 3080
No video signal

[glossy plinth]

[strong breach]

ill sell it away for 1200€ at that point

lul

ezpz 400€ flip

[turbid verge]

@strong breach only took 3 months

[strong breach]

Eventually™️

[turbid verge]

But gj getting one finally

[latent light]

So there's a good chance that RX 6800 and 6800XT will get unlocked BIOS soon and we could flash them to 6900XT BIOS

[supple bane]

isnt that like, dangerous ?

i imagine the 6900xt having a higher power draw? and i imagine 6800(xt) power delivery isnt built for that

[latent light]

6800XT and 6900XT both have the same TDP and both have very similar VRMs on reference model

[chrome skiff]

Most gpus are pretty overbuilt and use the same components too

[storm osprey]

if 5700 flashing to 5700xt was any indication there might be some gpus that its not recommended

[supple bane]

tdp isnt everything tho lol,

[storm osprey]

as with anything, just wait to find out

[chrome skiff]

They have had the flash out for a while and the telemetry delete. Gave the 6800xt a 10-13% boost on average then the telemetry was another 8%

[supple bane]

idk, i just cant imagine 6800xt and 6900xt drawing the same power when they have the temperature head room

[storm osprey]

iirc 5700 and 5700xt are within 50w of eachother, and those had problems flashing some gpus

[chrome skiff]

But the voltages are the same? and the parts again are quite overbuilt. The 60a chokes at 1.1volts. The chokes can handle 1.25 volts at 400 amps rms. Tdp doesnt mean your cooling cant handle 50-100 extra watts. The cards are 300-350 watts overclocked while the choke for vrm and memory and the controllers are rated for close to 1000 watts

Since the 780ti card have been pretty overbuilt and still bios limited even on a 6900xt bios flash

Doesnt mean you wont brick a card flashing though. I got one with dual bios so i can tinker

so 400 x 1.25 is 500 watts constant. As long as the cooling is fine the card is way over built

this is why we hit power limits on newer gpus over any other limit as voltage etc

[coarse nimbus]

So is the 6800 overbuilt or 6900 weak

[chrome skiff]

all of its overbuilt but the power they trust us with is weak lol. Thats why people shunt mod gpus and create shorts on the back of power delivery points. The card can safely run in the parameters set by nvidia or amd but the cards can handle more. my 2080ti shunted does 410 watts with a ludicrous bios. Even though the card is only rated 280 watts and roughly hit 330 watts with a card like an asus strix with 125% power limit

[supple bane]

random question, but does anyone know what a mushroom cloud icon with a red X over it means on the task bar

it keeps popping up, and if i click on it or anything it disappears

[latent light]

https://www.igorslab.de/en/amds-radeon-rx-6800-stable-with-continuous-2-55-ghz-and-rx-6800-xt-with-up-to-25-ghz-overclock-thanks-morepowertool-andboardpartner-bios/

6800 with 6800XT BIOS

They're already flashing 6800 BIOS lmao

Apparently AMD is gonna allow us to flash the 6800/6800XT to 6900XT BIOS as a response to the 3080Ti and 3070Ti

[chrome skiff]

igor wallossek and 1usmus are so good at doing this stuff by themselves with no support from amd. They results have been so good for gpus and cpus that amd featured 1usmus's power delivery optimization on their forums front page and endorsed it

[latent light]

Lol

[coarse nimbus]

nations supply of lotion gunna run out again

[floral cedar]

guys quick answer. Is a 1650 or a 1650 ti really that bad or it's just exaggerated? Can you play competetive shooters like warzone, six siege or esports like fifa and stuff smoothly on it by lowering graphic settings?

really getting hard to find 1660s in my budget as they're all selling out and the ones left come with an i5 or older generation of i7

[latent light]

My only problem with the 1650 Super is that it only has 4GB VRAM

[supple bane]

wait for 3050

[floral cedar]

Im not making a PC. Would have got a 2060 by now if that was the case

I need a laptop

[glossy plinth]

why laptop

business?

[supple bane]

yeah is there a reason you need a laptop?

[glossy plinth]

travel gamer?

[floral cedar]

Will be moving to another city or probably a country in the next year or two and frankly my desk is too small for a full pc rn. Im a cs student as well so will be doing my ML projects on it as well

will have to take it with me for that

can only buy a laptop rn

[storm osprey]

warzone is pretty tough to run, so going from siege/esports to warzone is quite the difference

[glossy plinth]

hey its nyphon

[floral cedar]

Im checking on pcgamebenchmark and for almost all the games its showing my setup meets the settings for recommended mode

to get a 1660 I have to downgrade to and i7 or i5 9th gen

[glossy plinth]

downgrade

[floral cedar]

hmm

that was hard to hear lol

[supple bane]

so?

both of those options are perfectly fine for a 16xx card

overkill actually

[floral cedar]

Is it a problem with Warzone being so large scale or will I face issues in other game modes on COD as well?

[supple bane]

a 9th gen i3 would drive a 16xx card ez

[glossy plinth]

woah woah

did you just say i3

nonono

[floral cedar]

Yeah I can do it tbh but now its a problem of finding a 1660 laptop in my range lol

[supple bane]

yeah..

[floral cedar]

there's virtually no 1660 in my range in stock at stores

[supple bane]

the i3 9100f is perfectly capable

[floral cedar]

rn IM getting

1650 ti, 120hz display, 512 gb ssd, 16gb ram, AMD Ryzen 4600h/ i5 10th gen/ i7 10th gen

after hunting for two weeks

[glossy plinth]

i5 is minimum

[floral cedar]

RYzen 5 4600h*

[supple bane]

why is that ?

[floral cedar]

Ryzen 5 4600H has better performance than i5 as far as ik

[glossy plinth]

need more cores

[supple bane]

most i5's also only have 4 cores tho

the newer ones are getting 6, but the majority are 4

[floral cedar]

ryzen has 6 and so does i7 IG

[glossy plinth]

get a i5 9400f

[storm osprey]

why get a 9400f when 10400 exists

[floral cedar]

10400f is the standard coming in legion laptops

[storm osprey]

usa desktop the 10400 is 155, 9400 is 145

id easily spend 10 bucks more to get hyperthreading

[floral cedar]

https://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=37021&game=Call of Duty Warzone&p_make=AMD&p_deriv=Ryzen+5+4600H+6-Core+3.0GHz&gc_make=Nvidia&gc_deriv=GeForce+GTX+1650+Ti+4GB&ram=16&screenRes_width_FPS=1920&screenRes_height_FPS=1080&checkSubmit=#systemRequirements

[storm osprey]

this looks like it was posted in may, for me warzones performance has gotten substantially worse over time

[glossy plinth]

warzone whack

[prime jasper]

laptop with rtx 2060 is fine. Will last at least 5-10 years. get it.

[glossy plinth]

i just tested my fps with all normal graphics

80fps

-110

[storm osprey]

i mean, yea it could last 5-10 years, but at what settings and what games? i dont see it doing triple a games at medium settings 60fps in 10 years

[prime jasper]

guys i play on gtx650 since 2016

[floral cedar]

wish I could mate but my budget is 100000 INR or 1300 USD, for comparison.

[prime jasper]

sure, 30fps is fine

[storm osprey]

up to the individual

im not playing games at 30 fps unless i have to

[prime jasper]

thats enough for rtx laptop XD

[floral cedar]

bruh havent seen a single rtx laptop ath that budget

please sennd me a link if you have

[prime jasper]

yes

waiz

wait*

[floral cedar]

fuck Warzone man Ill just play Rust and siege and buy a pc when Im settled

[glossy plinth]

or

play cyberpunk 2077

[floral cedar]

isnt it too buggy to play rn?

I dont jack shit about the game. My friend complete the Nomad storyline in 3-4 days and was like there's nothing interesting to do now so I wasnt too excited about playing

[storm osprey]

cyberpunk is extremely hard to run, there are bugs but not bad imo

[floral cedar]

that guy has a 2060

[storm osprey]

theres a ton to do in cyberpunk that i think only doing the main missions is kind of a waste

[floral cedar]

well okay thanks a lot everyone for your help. I'll keep your advice in mind when I buy one tomorrow

[storm osprey]

youre buying a gaming laptop right?

sorry ive been in and out of your conversation

[floral cedar]

yeah yeah

tomorrow or latest by day after

[storm osprey]

welp, i really dont know laptops

[floral cedar]

no worries lol the others helped me

[digital condor]

How much internet does Battlefield 1 use per hour?

[void skiff]

How much internet?? congrats you have officially asked one of the weirdest questions here

but honestly idk how much really depends on server connection, stability of your internet etc

[floral cedar]

but it probavly uses around 500mb for an hour I guess?

I once tracked it for CSGO and it was about 100-150 mb for 30 mins

my avg ping was 8-12ms

[glossy plinth]

@storm osprey

[storm osprey]

Que?

[proud trellis]

the fuck ? a 3050

[supple bane]

mhm

[coarse nimbus]

no one is surprised by that

[storm osprey]

xx50, xx60, xx70, xx80, xx80 ti is the common line up

[proud trellis]

2 80's ?

lol

[supple bane]

yeah, 80 and 80ti

[proud trellis]

ohhh shit

i didnt see the ti

[storm osprey]

outside of that is commonly a response/refresh

[proud trellis]

i still want a 3070

[storm osprey]

imo 3060ti is a better purchase

[supple bane]

im too new to the pc scene to have experience with an xx60ti, so i have no comment here

[proud trellis]

3060 ti is the rtx card isnt it thats for budgets ?

[supple bane]

it will be cheap, but still powerful

[storm osprey]

i dont recall there being an xx60 ti recently

[supple bane]

660ti was the last one?

[storm osprey]

theres apparently a 1060ti but only in certain markets

6xx is way before my time with pc

[supple bane]

you might be mixing that up with the 1060 5gb?

[storm osprey]

i came in right before the launch of 9xx

[supple bane]

ive heard of 1060 5gb, but not 1060ti

and i got into hardware right after rtx 2000 launched lol

[storm osprey]

im not sure, theres some random ti that came out in a certain market that confused me because i never heard of it

[storm osprey]

left is 1080p, right is 1440p

10% and 13% increase for 100 more bucks? ehhhh

[proud trellis]

1440p supreme

idk

[storm osprey]

but math wise 3080 is shit value too

[proud trellis]

probs gonna be like 2 years until i get a new pc so might not get any but i would like a 3070

[storm osprey]

but its what i "needed" for 4k gaming

[proud trellis]

thing is tho

i dont see the point in 4k 60 fps on ultra for games like bf

[supple bane]

if you have the hardware for it, 4k on ultra on bfv is ezpz

[storm osprey]

well im not using it for that

[proud trellis]

because the next one that comes out will probs run on 4k low settings 60 fps so there is no point ?

[supple bane]

high fps

[proud trellis]

oh is it

[storm osprey]

i only play at 4k in the front room casual gaming

[proud trellis]

wonder what 4k minecraft looks like actually

[supple bane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_4kwx2xhBk

you can consistently get above 110 fps at 4k ultra on a 3090

[proud trellis]

jeez

[supple bane]

i dont even get that on 1440p low

[proud trellis]

im suprised that i get about 70-80fps on 1440p with a 1660s

ultra

[proud trellis]

dont u have a 2070 ?

[supple bane]

if i wasnt cpu bottle necked i would get 100 iirc at ultra

[proud trellis]

oh

[supple bane]

but im cpu bottle necked, so i get like 80-90

[proud trellis]

near enough the same as me then loll

[supple bane]

i mean the 1660 super isnt that far behind a 2070..

[proud trellis]

isnt it

the 2070 it like 2x the price tho isnt it ?

although its an RTX card so

[storm osprey]

1660 super should be pretty far behind

[supple bane]

ok nvm its 50%

slower

i thought it was closer than that

[proud trellis]

if i do go 1080p i should be able to get about 100+ fps surley on BFV ultra ?

[coarse nimbus]

I wish benchmarks did dual display results

[storm osprey]

single display master race

[supple bane]

it has very little impact

probably like 1-2%

[coarse nimbus]

I should disabled my 1080 display and see how well 2077 performs then...jk it will still be crap

[proud trellis]

my friend at school said there is a way to make a 1440p moniter go to 1080p and it doesnt look blurry , u think he is lying or is there a actual way ?

[supple bane]

no 1080p on a 1440p monitor will always look blurry

[proud trellis]

oh

[supple bane]

i think its because you cannot divide 2560 by 1920

you get 1.3reccuring

[storm osprey]

is he talking dlss?

that technically uses a certain resolution and upscales to higher resolutions

[supple bane]

thus you cannot put 1920 pixels into 2560 pixels neatly ?

idk im just guessing

[proud trellis]

he said "i got someone on twitter to optimize my moniter to 1080p even tho im on 1440p and it looks normal"

[storm osprey]

dlss takes a lower resolution image, uses some ai shit idk, and then upscales it to your resolution

[proud trellis]

they are along the lines he said

[storm osprey]

no clue what hes talking about

[supple bane]

i mean

why spend the money on a 1440 monitor, if you are going to run it on 1080 anyway?

[proud trellis]

idk

my brother has 1080p moniters so im trying to get one off him as i have 1440p

hopefully then i can run bf6 on alright settings

[storm osprey]

in terms of dlss, it gets your more fps and very few negative aspects

im getting like 80 fps on cyberpunk with rtx, med-ultra settings at 1440p

[proud trellis]

jeez

DLSS is the one that boosts your gpu isnt it ?

and RTX is looks in games

[storm osprey]

dlss renders the game at a lower resolution and fills in the gap for higher resolutions

[proud trellis]

ohh

[storm osprey]

ray tracing is just real time lights

"just real time lights"

thats underplaying how difficult that is

[proud trellis]

RTX on games like BF and racing games look so cool

[coarse nimbus]

Kek bf6

[latent light]

Rocket Lake-S (AKA Intel 11th gen) confirmed PL2 at 225 watts

[coarse nimbus]

PL 2?

[storm osprey]

plastic laminate 2

[strong breach]

pog got another update

and my GPU arrives tomorrow

well, that's the estimate at least

[chrome skiff]

pl 2 is 2nd stage power limit

[coarse nimbus]

So would the 225 be a bad thing because it's too power hungry for not enough gainz like ryzen sipping at the wattage

[chrome skiff]

if its second stage that means its the power limit set in place by the cpu not the bios. they will probably still launch with 100-150 watts pl 1 limits. like when ypu buy a cpu it says 105 watts but in bios you can turn off the power limits then run off what the cpu can draw unrestricted

its probably why the article specified it and the wattage. or its the boost state they are setting. the cpu can run at 225 watts for 5 min intervals or something alone those lines

Hess were you able to get ypur ultrwide yet? That lg 3440x 1440p 144hz 1ms ips was on sale during black Friday and stuff

[glossy plinth]

remember to not buy gsync monitors if you have an amd card

[storm osprey]

i mean.. you can

just why spend more when you can get freesync cheaper

[glossy plinth]

i made a mistake

just tellin ppl not to make the same dumbass mistake i did

[latent light]

IgorsLab took the RX 6800 and flashed the same BIOS that's used for the RX 6800XT

Doing so makes the $580 RX 6800 only ~3% slower than the $650 RX 6800XT

Also about 40% faster than the $500 RTX 3070

[storm osprey]

isnt the 6800xt 650?

[latent light]

Oh ye lol

[lofty light]

Now if only the 6800 cards were available here

[coarse nimbus]

where are they available?

[chrome skiff]

You just need to be friends with big technology colleges. IIT ordered a ton of new components and all you have to do it tell them what you want added on and give them the cash upfront.

[void skiff]

I’m stuck between getting a 6800 or a 3070, like I love NVENC since it makes my job as a editor amazing but a 6800 is also great price for peformance. And would go well with the 5600x I’m planning to also get

[latent light]

Stock for Stock, RX 6800 is about 12-15% faster than the RTX 3070 in rasterization (or raw gaming performance)

If us average consumers get our hands on unlocked BIOS for the RX 6800, we potentially have a RTX 3070/3070Ti destroyer

[void skiff]

There’s a 3070ti? U mean 3060ti don’t you?

I wish AMD would add in a separate chip for video encoding, that would literally change the game for AMD. Since most streamers and gamers now use AMD CPU’s and with there memory thing being utilised they could actually win the CPU and GPU war if they did that. Maybe

[coarse nimbus]

3070ti was leaked already? so its probably a thing

[glossy plinth]

i have a video for nyphon of some man angrily stabbing a cpu

[digital condor]

How many GB is Battlefield 1 With all DLC?

[glossy plinth]

75

[weak girder]

no

60

[storm osprey]

At least 10

[ashen ether]

Hello, I downloaded windows on a flash drive earlier. It finished the download but the creating media failed at 100%. But the flash drive is already recognized by windows as a bootable device. Is it still okay to use to install windows on my new pc?

[weak girder]

uh... sure

[floral cedar]

guys

I bought the acer predator helios 300

thanks for your advice

[strong breach]

It is here

[fallen harbor]

neato

what cpu will u combine it with

[chrome skiff]

let's hope you don't end up having to rma it for any reason

[fallen harbor]

my friend got a ryzen 7 3700 and an rtx3080 and he's reaching 90c with his cpu despite having a brand new hyper 212

[proud trellis]

90 ?

[fallen harbor]

yeah

it's summer down here though

but still

90c is a lot

he had the stock cooler first so I recommended to get an hyper 212 or water cooling so he got an hyper 212 (with two fans) and his temps barely only got reduced by 5c at most

[supple bane]

bad thermal paste application ?

[chrome skiff]

my gfs 3700x is overclocked on a hyper 212 black and it never breaches 75c with a 3070 in the case overclocked too. Definitely something weird going on. We have central air keeping the house at 78 so idk how hot it is for you

Oh no check the cooler and make sure you took the plastic off the block 🙂

[storm osprey]

Welcome to the club Hess

[strong breach]

👏🏻

[strong breach]

i7-9700k

im late

[storm osprey]

did you deliver it to work?

[chrome skiff]

I asked earlier did you pick your ultrawide out yet? Be a good pair for a good gpu

[turbid verge]

@strong breach Guess christmas present arrived in time

[strong breach]

yeah on it right now

everything worked fine on first try which was surprising

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/pOiugI3LwzgGn4TqPKLIAEv2PLH5o7DN73R3CsvrNkM/https/i.imgur.com/woN8T0j.png?width=720&height=454

haven't OC'd yet

probably don't even need to for now

[coarse nimbus]

But but... what's the point of it if you're not going for max epeen

[molten bramble]

Congratulations!

[storm osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/congratulations-confetti-post-malone-smoke-gif-16478277

[strong breach]

i just need a DisplayPort now

so i can use my main monitor on 144hz

😴

[storm osprey]

hdmi 2.1 works too iirc

[strong breach]

yeah it would

if my monitor had an option for that

👀 Display Port is my only option

there's HDMI

just not 2.1

[storm osprey]

oh. wird

[fallen harbor]

wired*

[storm osprey]

weird*

[fallen harbor]

that was the joke

[strong breach]

i feel like MSI afterburner doesn't like RTX3080

cause that 9.5Ghz on memory is not true

[molten bramble]

That's standard profile ceiling for that card, it's the same on mine, the non-OC variant of yours.

It may not be able to tell the difference between the two or the driver initializes as the non-OC version.

[supple bane]

I believe it is, hess

[modern gull]

gz Hess, long wait well deserved card

[supple bane]

I'm pretty sure I've seen them overclocked to past 10ghz on the memory

[storm osprey]

dont 3000 gpus not play friendly with memory OC

i swore i saw a video showing you actually get less fps with a certain memory oc

hmmm, cant find where i saw that

[floral cedar]

yo how do I optimise a new laptop for gaming? I bought an rtx 2060 rig today and while the gaming performance is superb, the battery and the cpu stats seem a bit wasteful. Any tips?

[latent light]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-zen3-offers-up-to-81-better-gaming-performance-than-first-generation-zen-architecture

A lot of progress in under 4 years

[fallen harbor]

i still ask wtf does zen stand for

what does zen3 mean

[latent light]

Zen is Ryzen 1000 series
Zen+ is 2000
Zen2 is 3000
Zen3 is 5000

[coarse nimbus]

Finally a number system worse than Intel

[fallen harbor]

tyvm

[storm osprey]

and now intel is the budget option

so weird

[latent light]

I don't see how companies fuck up product naming, it's the easiest thing ever

Ryzen 2000 should of never been named Zen+, should of been called Zen2 to avoid confusion

Also when the first gen Ryzen APUs and Mobile were named Ryzen 2000 series despite them being based on first generation Ryzen

All that causes confusion

Then there's Microsoft...

Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox One, Xbox Series

[mild siren]

Intel fanboy mode on

[latent light]

Intel

[storm osprey]

comparable cpus are definitely cheaper for intel right now

[latent light]

Ryzen is out of stock nearly all across the board

[storm osprey]

i mean... 5800x is what, 450? and a 10700k new common price is 360, thats almost 100 bucks off

450 is msrp, its not some inflated number though

[storm osprey]

its not fanboy to know the prices of products and their relative performance...

[molten bramble]

@mild siren If you're not adding anything positive or relevant to the discussion, stay out of it.

[storm osprey]

even ignoring the new 360 price tag that is common for 10700k

so yea.. intel is the budget option

even at a cheaper bracket like the 10400 vs 3600

[latent light]

Zen3 refresh on 6nm to come out before Q3, still on AM4

Zen4 and AM5 delayed to Q1 2022

It would be a big surprise to see Zen3 refresh on AM5 in 2021

[storm osprey]

last i saw on stockdrops amd is really putting out more 5800x than 5600x, and 5800x is probably the worst value cpu they have

[mild siren]

You got me wrong, sorry

[latent light]

Yeah they gonna have too many 5800X in stock and have to discount them some

[mild siren]

Didn't finish my thoughts

And void the profile picture

Being sarcastic somewhere

[latent light]

5600X in way more demand than 5800X

[storm osprey]

im just going on how often you see 5800x go in stock vs 5600x it was ridiculous

[latent light]

Actually they don't have to discount anything because scalpers will buy them up regardless

You should see 3300X stock

Worse than anything Ryzen 5000

[storm osprey]

this whole scenario is poo

[mild siren]

Just out of curiosity. When do you think the new NVIDIA cards will be more or less accesible?

I'm planning on probably upgrading/doing new build

Because most shops are now restocking

(In my region anyways)

And another question

Is the difference between NVME and SATA significant

Mostly in gaming/pc performance

On more or less average usage

[storm osprey]

at this point i wouldnt bother guessing accessibility

i wouldnt spend more than 15 bucks on an nvme drive over sata for just gaming at comparable storages

last i check (which is fairly often) youre looking at a 3 second load time difference on average

very few games go above a 10 second difference

[molten bramble]

It's significant for me because of the boost to the workflow I run--it might not be to others.

[coarse nimbus]

Don't buy Nvidia, amd better (totally not trying to keep more 3070 stock for myself cough)

[strong breach]

let me just sell my RTX3080 now for 1200€

easy 450€ flip

[coarse nimbus]

For the flip money you could buy a superior GPU of a different color

[strong breach]

Kappa

https://streamable.com/bnnt0g

afterburner is so scuffed

[coarse nimbus]

Doesn't Asus have it's own program

[strong breach]

probably

i remember using it

it was awful

[coarse nimbus]

They spent all their money into making cool box art

[latent light]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-core-i1-11700kf-rocket-lake-vs-core-i9-10900k-new-benchmark

[glossy plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-monkey-steals-monkey-swipes-gif-13449256

[floral cedar]

..

[molten coral]

Not really sure to be honest. Like a laptop will always drain the battery pretty fast when gaming.

Although I’ve to say I’m not really the right guy to say anything as I’ve a desktop PC.

[void skiff]

Yeh that is true ^ also on some gaming laptops the battery can give out at high amounts of gaming, expecially some on the cheaper side ($1000-1100). Gaming laptops are cool but at the same time they are a bit of a hassle as well. You could also go into your power settings & set it to power saving. Some gaming laptops come set on Max peformance of the battery which isn’t good. Power saving will reduce the FPS a bit but with a 2060 you won’t be seeing any dips below 50ish FPS (depending on settings). @floral cedar

[fallen harbor]

what's the modular (pc) equivalent to the ps5's cpu and gpu?

[floral cedar]

okay thanks dude. The batterybwas draining quite fast even when I wasnt gaming si thats why I thought something’s wrong

[weak girder]

I don't know about cpu, it's really hard to tell with consoles but the gpu is probably equovalent to a rtx 2060 super

consoles usually have a pretty weak cpu

[opaque saddle]

I think slightly stronger than 2070S

[modern gull]

Hey guys i got a question. Is 1080p at 27" bad? If so why?

[opaque saddle]

27” is Too large for 1080p and you can see the individual pixels in front of the computer screen. Unless you treat it like a TV sitting a few foot away from screen, then it doesn’t really matter. Only matter if you sit in front of the computer screen

27” is for either 2k or 4K displays. Apple use the 27” as 5k display coz it looks even better and sharper if you times the number by 4, making it FOUR times denser than a normal 2k (2560x1440) display

[mild siren]

I wouldn’t completely agree. I would rather say 27” is the last monitor size where 1080p is good

But true

[opaque saddle]

Well only matter if you sit in front of your desk in front of your computer screen

[mild siren]

It’s better with 2k

Obviously

But it’s not bad with 1080p

[opaque saddle]

It will be better if you got a large 32” or 42” and sitting in the “right distance”

I remember it was quite difficult to use or even game on it with the 32”

[mild siren]

Yep

[opaque saddle]

But in general, you can get better things with the price of the 27” 1080

[mild siren]

You gotta sit at the right distance, yes

True

[opaque saddle]

So if people are sitting in front of the computer chair, at least I wouldn’t recommend to get a 27” 1080p

[mild siren]

Maybe. I’ve had a 1080p 27” curved before, seemed good to me

[opaque saddle]

Sometimes it’s better if they can come in to the electronic stores and test it by themselves

[mild siren]

But 2k 27” don’t cost much more

[opaque saddle]

I think not many people will get those 27” 1080p these days

Especially the manufacturers got more 2k 27” on order

[mild siren]

Why not?

[modern gull]

I appreciate the input guys. Derek have you even tried 27" monitor that is 1080p?

[opaque saddle]

And people have started moving on from 1080p so it makes the cost of (1080p)production higher

I have tried it once. Not nice

That was the school desktop

[modern gull]

hmm. maybe shit monitor

ah i see lol

but was it set to 1080p?

[mild siren]

Oh a school one

[opaque saddle]

Yes

Native res

[modern gull]

ah i see

[opaque saddle]

Just a recommendation tho

Visit a computer/electronic stores and see whether they are good for you or not

[mild siren]

That’s always the best thing to do

[modern gull]

reason of my question is last week after i bought 27" 1080p which i expected to look good. and people said that was bad at 1080p

[opaque saddle]

Bring a tape measurer with you

[modern gull]

and i wanted to know really why people say its bad.

[mild siren]

Does it look bad?

In your opinion

[modern gull]

ofc not as expected it looks good

[mild siren]

Yep

[modern gull]

but i wanted to know why ppl say its bad you see

[mild siren]

Well

At that size

The screen gets a little too big for 1080p

And you can start seeing individual pixels

[opaque saddle]

Remember one thing tho, it’s a computer screen, not a TV screen. If you use that as a computer screen, I would strongly recommend you to think

Coz it looks nicer if you can barely see the pixels

[modern gull]

hmm... i like it tho, stuff looks sligthly bigger. and i dont really see any pixels to be honest. if i saw them i'd be bitching about it

let me check when i see pixels

[mild siren]

Thing is, I’ve had a 1080p 27 inch for a while before and I could barely see the pixels

Mostly couldn’t

But I don’t see a reason to really get 1080p

[modern gull]

i can see pixels bearly appearing at 30-35cm

[mild siren]

At gaming level

[opaque saddle]

Ask yourself a few questions:

1. How far are you sitting in front of the screen.
2. Do you need IPS, VA or TN screen.
3. Do you need 144hz display

[mild siren]

2k and 1080p are pretty close

So it’s just better to get 2k

[opaque saddle]

Hmm if you say 2560x1440 and 1920x1080, they aren’t close

[modern gull]

like most people 0.5 - 1m i suppose

[mild siren]

Oops my bad

1440

[modern gull]

but wont stuff look so tiny at 2k tho

[opaque saddle]

I sit like ONE arm away from my 27” 2K screen

Coz of my little computer desk

[modern gull]

me to with my fist closed

[mild siren]

I have a 27” 1440

And it’s good enough for 27”

[modern gull]

i'd say 32 inch you should get atleast 1440

[opaque saddle]

But for the money, I will go for a 27” 2k 144hz

[mild siren]

I am probably gonna get a better resolution somewhere closer to summer after exams

When I upgrade or make a new build

[opaque saddle]

With IPS screen, you can’t go wrong

[modern gull]

ah i see

[opaque saddle]

Coz for my opinion, it looks really nice

[modern gull]

mhm

27 inch would be limit at 1080p i'd say. i still have to move pretty close before i see any pixels

[opaque saddle]

Hmm I think you shall go for 27” 2K 144hz

[modern gull]

already bought to monitor

[opaque saddle]

Ah okay

[modern gull]

But i apreaciate input 🙂

[opaque saddle]

No worries

[weak girder]

how does 24 inch native 1080p compare to 21 inch 1080p on a 1440p display?

[opaque saddle]

The 24” will be sharper coz it runs at native res

But if the 21” runs at the monitor native res (1440p), it will be way sharper than the 24” running at native 1080p

[weak girder]

thx

how about 900p on the 21 inch and 900p and 24 inch for rdr2?

the 21 inch being native 1440p and the 24 inch native 1080p

[quick locust]

2K is around 1080p@opaque saddle

2560x1440 is not 2K

[supple bane]

1440p is 2.5k

1080p is 2k

[quick locust]

yeah

the K is stupid imo

[supple bane]

aye

its dum

[quick locust]

and p is a bit unneccesary to say now

since who uses interlaced now?

[proud trellis]

I thought 1440p was 2k ?

[supple bane]

no

[proud trellis]

not 2.5 wtf

[quick locust]

2K is around 1080p

[supple bane]

since when is 2560 closer to 2000 than 1920 is

2k refers to 2000 horizontal pixels

ish

[quick locust]

People just mix things up cause the K is stupid

[proud trellis]

I just say 1440 anyway

not 2.5k lolll

[supple bane]

1920x1080 is 2k, 2560x1440 is 2.5k and 3840x2160 is 4k

[proud trellis]

does that mean 8K is just double 3840x2160

[supple bane]

no

[quick locust]

no

[supple bane]

its 4x

[proud trellis]

4x OMG

[quick locust]

its double each axis

so 4x

[supple bane]

and 16k is 4x 8k

[proud trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/umm-confused-blinking-okay-white-guy-blinking-gif-7513882

[molten coral]

So 3840x1080 is 3,7k?

[quick locust]

yeah

another reason the K is dumb

nah

lag

[supple bane]

its rounded nacho

1920 is rounded to 2000, 2560 is rounded to 2500 and 3840 is rounded to 4000

[molten coral]

Hmm i see

[quick locust]

2K is 2048x1080

and 1920x1080

two diff resolutions but both 2K

[molten coral]

Can the 3080 reference card just come back in stock 😩

[quick locust]

Good thing I've no reason to upgrade this gen

otherwise I'd have to join in on the gpu hunt

[molten coral]

I’ve a 2080ti but it’s kinda struggling with new games

Because of my monitor

[quick locust]

i run 2080ti as well

in 2560x1440 165 hz

[molten coral]

3840x1080p 144hz

[quick locust]

If I used 2160p or ultrawide I might have issues

[proud trellis]

Would it be better to just get a smaller moniter ?

[molten bramble]

If that monitor was as big as three curved 27" side-by-side like I have right now, I'd buy it immediately. Would really like to have an uninterrupted arch.

[quick locust]

monitor size has no impact on performance

[molten coral]

It’s as big as 2 27” monitors

[molten bramble]

Yeah, too small.

[proud trellis]

how is that small

[quick locust]

I use a 24 inch rn

non ultrawide

[molten bramble]

Not enough real estate for my workflows.

[proud trellis]

oh

[molten coral]

I won’t be able to do anything with a 24”

[quick locust]

I might get a better one eventually and go from TN to VA or IPS

[proud trellis]

I use 27 inch

It’s big enough

[quick locust]

before this monitor i used 26 inch 768p

[molten coral]

Before the one I have now I had a 34” ultrawide

[quick locust]

this 24 inch monitor was about 680 usd

[molten coral]

But kinda thinking about picking up one of those LG oled screens

[quick locust]

I might get a bigger one for around same price eventually

i just picked this one cause the 27 inch variant of this monitor was 900 usd

[proud trellis]

nacho I thought u only played games like destiny and cyberpunk rn

[molten coral]

So?

What do you wanna say with that lol

[supple bane]

what refresh rate is your monitor, nacho?

[quick locust]

If I wanted a gpu rn i would go 6800xt i guess

[molten coral]

144

Also kinda thinking about buying another super ultrawide and stack it with my current monitor

[quick locust]

altho 6800 xt cost 1160 usd here

but they seem nice

[molten coral]

But I’ll need something like a 3090 to run all of that

[quick locust]

just nowhere in stock

[molten coral]

Personally I would never go with a AMD GPU

[molten bramble]

^

@molten coral I run three monitors and a TV via my 3080 with no issue.

[quick locust]

I've used both

They are both nice imo

Just AMD slightly faster with driver updates and dont have to install anything

[molten coral]

Maybe they are faster but their drivers used to be always super bad

[quick locust]

i dont use windows

[supple bane]

yikes

[quick locust]

their windows drivers is bad tho yeah

[molten coral]

Maybe it’s better now but because of my bad experiences with AMD drivers I won’t get AMD

Linux?

[quick locust]

yeah mostly

[molten bramble]

I just had bad experiences with their hardware in general, from the beginnings of their GPU lineup. 3DFX/Nvidia earned my trust and were/are consistently good.

[quick locust]

i do have an ssd with windows though

I wonder how intel will do

[molten coral]

Linux is fun but for daily use I just use windows

[proud trellis]

i meant u can run those games fine im pretty sure ? so surely it should be able to give u time to get a new graphics card

[molten coral]

Cyberpunk runs like hot shit though

[proud trellis]

oh

[quick locust]

yeah i get around 60 at 1440p

with rt and dlss

[proud trellis]

it looked fine when u streamed it from my POV no ?

[molten coral]

With rtx and dlss I get around 30-40 and in some area’s it goes to low 20’s

Because when I streamed it was in 30fps

[quick locust]

I've put a power unlimited vbios on my card

but the cooler limits it quite a bit

if I had one of the AIO cards it would be super nice lul

[opaque saddle]

I mean I can always call 2k as 1440p, since people refer QHD as 2k. but for the future, I wouldn’t call 16k as 15360x8640.

[quick locust]

I prefer just saying the full resolution

[neon fern]

I need some help

the game doesn't launch at all

bf5 btw

tried everything I looked up

[fallen harbor]

does origin launch?

[neon fern]

yep

[fallen harbor]

did you try the repairing option

[neon fern]

yes

[fallen harbor]

:)

im out of ideas

[neon fern]

I think I had the same issue when I first played it

but somehow managed to fix it

[fallen harbor]

theres something else id try

requires some touching

but wait a sec i need the bathroom

[neon fern]

np

[fallen harbor]

back so

windows key + R

msconfig

Enter

go to the "Services" tab

check "Hide all Microsoft services"

and then uncheck everything in the list except for Origin

click "Ok", restart your pc and try again

[fallen harbor]

save a screenshot of what it looked like before unchecking the items though, so you can put it back to what it was before after trying this

the reason i suggest this is because the game might be interfering with another process

this way you might detect which of those is

[opaque saddle]

It doesn’t mean it works well in gaming. Remember this is the start of the journey, if you wait for a few more years, it certainly run things pretty well

@wintry wadi

[wintry wadi]

That’s the problem

It’s literally been tested and it works very well for a thin laptop

[opaque saddle]

Yes but I think the M1 is just a start

It’s the absolute minimum performance you can get from the MacBook

[wintry wadi]

It runs extremely well even umulation

*emu

[opaque saddle]

But I still doubt it runs BF well with emulator

I have seen it runs Witcher 3

[wintry wadi]

It’s running many things pretty well

[opaque saddle]

after a few layers of translation

[wintry wadi]

That’s with heeeeavy emulation

And that’s using crossover

Which is kinda garbage

[opaque saddle]

I think I have mentioned about it a few weeks ago

[neon fern]

thx for the help bro but somehow I fixed it lol

[opaque saddle]

But I will say at this stage, M1 MacBook aren’t the best option for gaming

MacBook works really well in work and in uni works

I have a 15” with me and it runs really well with my iPhone

[wintry wadi]

Just in the first month people have managed to get various windows games running on the MacBook with very good performance

But one thing is

I’m not getting this to game

I’m getting it for school

But I want to game on it

Cuz I don’t want to have a whole chunky pc

[opaque saddle]

I think you are getting an Ultrabook

[wintry wadi]

Ye

[opaque saddle]

For school, The thinner the better

Depends on the software what you are working on

[wintry wadi]

Yeah see that’s why I’m waiting for parallels to come to mac

*M1

It’s already out but for certain peopl

[opaque saddle]

Usually the M1 MacBook Air can do 95% of the job that I have been doing with windows laptop. Even the 95% that I have done can outperform all the tasks on windows

[wintry wadi]

And it runs windows stuff very very well considering it’s virtualized or whatever

[opaque saddle]

I would say, if you got a decent gaming desktop, use your desktop for gaming

[wintry wadi]

Yeah. The thing about it before was that it would literally heat up in seconds

[opaque saddle]

If you want to do light gaming, then it doesn’t matter which ultrabook you got

[wintry wadi]

Well I’m a light gamer

[opaque saddle]

But ultrabook for gaming isn’t great, unless you wanna game outside of your own home

[modern gull]

You guys talking about gaming on mac?

[wintry wadi]

I know, but the performance I’ve seen it has in games is exactly what I need

[opaque saddle]

Gaming on a M1 MacBook

[modern gull]

why would anyone want to game on mac?

[wintry wadi]

It’s just that the M1 is a beaut

[opaque saddle]

Do you have any Apple devices?

[wintry wadi]

And it runs so damn efficiently

[opaque saddle]

Can’t go wrong with a MacBook since you got an iPhone with you

[wintry wadi]

It runs so efficiently that you can unplug it and it’ll still have the same performance

And it’s faster than any other ultra book whatsoever

[opaque saddle]

Coz the MacBook can give 80% of the things windows laptop can’t give you

[wintry wadi]

Like what

[opaque saddle]

For uni or school task

[modern gull]

why not windows pc for games? if you considering gaming a bit or have i missunderstood completly?

[wintry wadi]

Because I want a device for all things

[opaque saddle]

Like, receiving messages from your phone, can pick that message up (with pop up) and enter your message code in one click

[modern gull]

lol like what?

oh interesting

[wintry wadi]

And for me I’ll play a game as long as it runs 60 FPS. Even on super low graphics, as long as it runs at all

[opaque saddle]

2. You can work on your idevices and continue on your other devices

[modern gull]

ooouuuu

[wintry wadi]

Yeah that’s part of the reason I wanted a MacBook

[opaque saddle]

3. I type my scripts on my phone (via notes), it shows up on my MacBook instantly

4. I can answer my phone call and reply all of my SMS messages on MacBook

[wintry wadi]

Damn I can’t believe there’s someone who’ll actually talk about MacBook and not hate it just cuz Apple

[modern gull]

https://tenor.com/view/curiosity-curious-intrigued-interested-interesting-gif-14505707

but you use mac microphone then, like normal voice chat i mean?

[opaque saddle]

5. iCloud Keychain. It stores all of my passwords from my phone and it works across all devices. The computer can put in the password for me with touchID

I did

I was using my MacBook microphone for video production

[wintry wadi]

The MacBook Pro has godly mic

And webcam is awesome for a laptop

[modern gull]

ouuu interesting

[opaque saddle]

I was using the MacBook Pro microphone to record my voice over.

[modern gull]

but do you guys really need that stuff for the stuff you do on them?

[opaque saddle]

Depending on your tasks, not every one need a MacBook

[wintry wadi]

No but it’s awesome

[modern gull]

sure you can find something similar on pc perhaps?

[wintry wadi]

Nope

[modern gull]

ya i can see that lol

[wintry wadi]

Windows laptops have garbage mics and webcam

[opaque saddle]

But everything that I worked on in the past, it works even better with a MacBook than windows

[wintry wadi]

Most of the time at least

[modern gull]

blame the manufacturer

[wintry wadi]

Ohhh also the speakers

[opaque saddle]

Coz the OS makes the differences

[wintry wadi]

The MacBook Pro was compared to the razer book and...

Literally demolished

[opaque saddle]

I think spec wise, MacBook isn’t the best

[wintry wadi]

Well the new one is

[modern gull]

to me a mac is something i never need or really want even tough i am really interested in those nice features mentioned 😛

[wintry wadi]

And if your talking about the ram and storage included

[opaque saddle]

I think the new one makes it competitive

[modern gull]

see, cool

[wintry wadi]

Those amounts are normal for its price

[opaque saddle]

But in general, I would rather take my MacBook for work, than an iPad or a windows laptop

[modern gull]

you can upgrade ram/storage or?

[opaque saddle]

No

[wintry wadi]

No

[modern gull]

lol ofc not

[wintry wadi]

I’m fine with that

Do I wish I could? Yes

[opaque saddle]

Ultrabook make it almost impossible

[wintry wadi]

But I don’t think I’ll need more storage

[modern gull]

i suppose if you could see past that tho

[wintry wadi]

Or ram

[opaque saddle]

Apple makes stupid Trends and other manufacturers follow Apple

Which is a stupid move

[wintry wadi]

The 8gb ram is actually almost equal to 16 gb on a windows laptop cuz the M1 is so god dang efficient (because the ram and cpu are on the same chip)

[opaque saddle]

I think the OS makes the differences

[wintry wadi]

People have done ram stress tests

[opaque saddle]

I wouldnt say equal tho

[wintry wadi]

Yeah cuz the M1 brings literally the best possible optimization

[modern gull]

I suppose, depends how you look at it and what you need idk

[wintry wadi]

The same manufacturer makes the hardware, and software. Meaning magical things can happen @opaque saddle

Sorta like with iPhones

[opaque saddle]

Coz I think for certain tasks, the M1 MacBook can out perform the high end Ryzen Hackintosh

[modern gull]

ah

[opaque saddle]

With 32gb of ram, 12 or 32 cores processor

The M1 can even beat those machines with 8GB of ram

[modern gull]

what the specs on m1 macbook? ram/gpu/cpu*

[wintry wadi]

It literally beat out a super expensive hackintosh build in some sorta code rendering thingy

[wintry wadi]

8gb/M1/M1

[modern gull]

tf is m1?

oh ty both

[opaque saddle]

4x High performance cores, 4x high efficiency cores

[wintry wadi]

Yeah it’s an insane chip

[opaque saddle]

7 or 8 cores GPU

[modern gull]

8 core

[wintry wadi]

Brooooo imagine a DESKTOP WITH M1

32 cores or whatever

Oh god

[modern gull]

how is it 7 or 8?

[wintry wadi]

That would literally be monster

[modern gull]

lol

[opaque saddle]

Depends on which upgrades you went for

[modern gull]

ah i see

[opaque saddle]

Like the standard MacBook Air with 7 cores GPU

[wintry wadi]

MacBook Air is 7 core gpu unless you get the $200 upgrade with storage and 8 core

[opaque saddle]

The pro and Mac mini has the 8

[wintry wadi]

Bro the Mac mini is just too much to handle

[modern gull]

so no dedicated gpu?

[opaque saddle]

No not yet

[modern gull]

ah i see. should still be decent tho i guess

[opaque saddle]

Not sure what it will be like on the Max pro and MacBook Pro 16”

[wintry wadi]

It beats out lots of laptops with dGPU

[modern gull]

interesting

[wintry wadi]

I have a pic of the benchmarks

[opaque saddle]

I think it works as great as 1050Ti?

[wintry wadi]

But I don’t have perms >:(

[wintry wadi]

Uhhhhhhh relatively

[modern gull]

lol know the feels

but 1050ti bit low these days or?

[wintry wadi]

The Zephyrus beats it out by far in GPU

[opaque saddle]

But in a 10W SOC package

[wintry wadi]

But when it’s unplugged

The MacBook beats it

idk what to say about that

[modern gull]

wait let me check

[opaque saddle]

I think it can go as high as 23w

[wintry wadi]

The trick about M1 is its efficiency

20 hour battery

[opaque saddle]

I think you should say about this, can be a fanless design

[wintry wadi]

Which is nuts

It is fanless

The air

[modern gull]

20 hour constant use?

[opaque saddle]

Not for gaming

But for general tasks

[wintry wadi]

That’s video playback

[modern gull]

oh

[wintry wadi]

But keep in mind that the battery is still godly

[opaque saddle]

I think you can go higher than that

[wintry wadi]

Some people legit did some intense tasks for 4 or so hours and they were still at like 78% which is nuts

[modern gull]

nice tho

[wintry wadi]

I’m in no rush for a laptop rn so I might just get the 2021 model if quarantine is done

[opaque saddle]

Now the problem is, @wintry wadi wants to get it for light gaming and school work

[wintry wadi]

And?

[modern gull]

oh

[opaque saddle]

If you say no rush I guess the M2 will be very interesting

[modern gull]

school work is mostly documents or?

[quick locust]

Apple M1 is nice

[opaque saddle]

Coz the M1 blown my mind

Already

[wintry wadi]

I’m still drooling from imagining how powerful the 16” MBP will be 🤤

[modern gull]

lol

[wintry wadi]

I WONT get tho

I don’t have $2400 for a laptop 😅

[quick locust]

Only place where it doesnt shine is gpu perf

[opaque saddle]

I think it shall get as fast as A14X if available

[wintry wadi]

It still does in that department

[quick locust]

Not as much

[modern gull]

i'd never pay this for laptop lol

[wintry wadi]

As I said it beats out maaaany laptops in its price range and from premium thin laptops @quick locust

[quick locust]

It steps all over the more expensive surface X tho

by a ton

[modern gull]

for laptop maybe max 500

[opaque saddle]

I own a MacBook Pro 2019 so I know how MacBook works

[wintry wadi]

It beats out Dell xps 13

But keep in mind

It’s not fair to compare it to a 15”

[quick locust]

surface X costs 1700 usd and macbook air is 3 times faster in cpu perf

rip microsoft

[modern gull]

lol

[opaque saddle]

I think if general task is what you are aiming for, the M1 can be the best option for school students

[quick locust]

yeah

expensive here sadly

[modern gull]

m1 sounds decent tho

but what games will you play ?

[quick locust]

M1 macbooks are great

[wintry wadi]

Well almost anything can run school stuff

[opaque saddle]

Coz the M1 MacBooks went from the worst Ultrabook laptop to the best

[wintry wadi]

Yooooo so

I heard that

[opaque saddle]

Some programs are exclusive on windows

[wintry wadi]

The trackpad has a virtual click??

On MacBook

[modern gull]

i dont know anything about mac's but the talk about m1 intruiges me lol

[opaque saddle]

No virtual click

[wintry wadi]

Like it doesn’t actually click

[opaque saddle]

You don’t actually click

[modern gull]

hmm i must search virtual click, so many interesting features