technology

[weak girder]

one pf my friends has a 60 and 144 hz monitor and he says he cant telle the difference

[storm osprey]

if i had to sacrifice aspects to meet a budget, i would sacrifice resolution first, then gsync/freesync, and lastly hz

60 vs 144hz side by side isnt that easy to tell the difference on, especially if you havent spent a lot of time with both

but once you get used to 144hz and then go back to 60 most everyone hates it

[modern gull]

i mostly never use vsync so idk if gsync would be a point

i mostly lock fps to 60 for less input lag

[storm osprey]

vsync introduces input lag, gsync/freesync really doesnt

i play competitive fps with gsync on

[weak girder]

I wont really be like that sinc I will work most of the time on my 1440p monitor and then game on my 144hz monitor and I run hald my games on 144 to give a competitive edge (apex, csgo, rogue company)

[modern gull]

but if i have vsync of does gsync even matter or is it like extra layer of vsync?

[weak girder]

but I prefer visual quality to fps in bf5

[storm osprey]

i wouldnt use vsync at all other than casual single player games

[modern gull]

thats what i doo too

[weak girder]

It can be useful on non g sync or freesync monitors no?

[modern gull]

i use vsync in gta tho

[storm osprey]

idk what you mean by extra layer

imo gsync/freesync outright replaces vsync in every scenario

[modern gull]

nvm i should read on gsync

oh?

so basicaly vsync with out vsync kind of then?

[weak girder]

but monitors which dont have gsync or freesync

[modern gull]

or better said limited framerate without tearing

[storm osprey]

its vsync but a marginal input lag increase

[modern gull]

i mean, if i lock framerate i do get some tearing.

[storm osprey]

what about them?

[modern gull]

ah so basicaly vsync without input lag then

[storm osprey]

yes, basically

im sure its way more complicated than that, but thats the end result

like i said, i use gsync while competitive gaming

and im a try hard

[modern gull]

nice maybe i should get gsync monitor then, cause like i said most games i play with vsync of at 60 fps. but if i am really competetive much higher fps

[storm osprey]

im typically top 3% in ranked games

[supple bane]

V sync isn't as effective as gsync eithef

G sync can make massive differences, idt v sync can

[weak girder]

some of my friends are like : Why would you want 144, the human eye cant see past 24

where tf did this myth come from

[modern gull]

i tried my friends 144hz just on desktop it was OMG nice lol

[storm osprey]

cinema is shot at 24fps

[sour nest]

Hey quick question does anyone have the issue that fps just jump from 100 to 40 back and forth? My fps cap was high but it's not stable it's very annoying

[modern gull]

some movies at 48fps tho just to add 😛

think the hobbit is one of those movies actually, dont remmeber

[storm osprey]

i think 24 fps is just the minimum film can get away with without it looking choppy

[modern gull]

idk what framerate we cant see past, but we sure can see 144hz ez

[weak girder]

its like 300 something

[modern gull]

ah i see. havent tried lol. is there even that such screen?

[modern gull]

ya, its also the standrard

[storm osprey]

pretty sure there was a 300hz monitor announced

[modern gull]

interesting

[weak girder]

there are some 300hz screens but you would need a beestly pc and a hogh budget

[modern gull]

ah i see

[storm osprey]

ehhh, 300hz would be more for the competitive gamer

[supple bane]

Asus do a 360hz monitorb

[storm osprey]

which would 99% likely play at 24" 1080p and play titles like valorant, csgo, overwatch, etc

[modern gull]

lol

[storm osprey]

which on low setting would be easy AF to run

[supple bane]

Although the higher fps you go, the smaller the gains get

[weak girder]

but 1080p on a 1440p screen looks really pixelated and blurry in the distances

[storm osprey]

(low settings being comp settings)

[weak girder]

can native 1080p be much better?

[modern gull]

anyways guys nice chating. will go play game now. see you guys around.

[supple bane]

The difference between 30 and 60 is huge, but 144 to 240 is barely noticeable

[storm osprey]

from 60 to 144 was something like cutting down the response time by half or something crazy

144 to 240 is like a 10% drop

[supple bane]

60 to 75 in terms of smoothness is a massive improvement too for some reason

[weak girder]

but does native 1080p really look much better than downscaled?

[supple bane]

Wdym?

If you put 1080p on a 1440p monitor it will look horrible

If that's what you mean

[storm osprey]

i dont think monitors have good scaling, if they have scaling at all

outside of dlss, native is always the way to go imo

[weak girder]

yeah practically

[supple bane]

Yep well, 1080p looks horrific on a 1440p monitor

Its blurry as hek

[hardy storm]

Just drove 45 mins to try to get a 3090. Had 8 in stock. 0 when I got there. 2 people in line were checking out with them. Sad day.

[glossy plinth]

i mean

kinda had an option to break laws for 45 mins

cops cant be everywhere right

[hardy storm]

I did drive fast and took chances.

[proud trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/the-fast-and-the-furious-tokyo-drift-lucas-black-sean-boswell-gif-9472689

[coarse nimbus]

2 people bought 8 cards?

[glossy plinth]

@storm osprey mr orange cat

i just found out about this thingy

https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/vsr

apparently people said its like nvidia dlss

[storm osprey]

uhhhh, i dont think so

isnt that like the opposite? you render at higher resolution and scale it down?

[glossy plinth]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i just found it out like 3 mins ago

[storm osprey]

"VSR allows games to render at higher resolutions (up to 4K; see the ‘Virtual Super Resolution Support’ table, below) and then rescales them down to a lower native display resolution. Using this, you can get quality that rivals up to 4K, even on a 1080p display while playing your favorite games."

yea, afaik DLSS renders at lower resolution, fills in the gap and gives you a higher resolution image

[glossy plinth]

[proud trellis]

https://youtu.be/FFHMsGlCtQk

tbf low settings dont look all bad

[storm osprey]

damn, ultra settings with a 3080 at 1440p with rtx on is like 80 fps

that sounds good and bad at the same time xD

[proud trellis]

ikr

[glossy plinth]

atleast it dont look like doom eternal on the switch

[hardy storm]

Wish I would have gotten a 3090 this morning 😦
Im running it on my 49" 1440p, but at 1080p, everything on low, and my non Ti 1080 card gets like 50fps lol

[storm osprey]

oof, thats rough

[supple bane]

with what cpu ?

[storm osprey]

i wonder if i should wait for some optimization

[supple bane]

oh we are talking about cp2077

[coarse nimbus]

i think i have to lower some of my settings more

[hardy storm]

8700k

[supple bane]

yeah i thought we were talking about bfv

[hardy storm]

its not much better on BFV tbh.
At 1440p I get about 40-50fps. 10-20fps with HDR on.
So I have to run BFV at 1080 as well 😦

first world problems with a 49" ultrawide

cant wait to run BFV at 1440p with HDR at 240hz 👌

[proud trellis]

HDR lowers fps ?

[supple bane]

yes

[proud trellis]

the fuck

[latent light]

I'm not upgrading my monitor until 16K 360Hz is the norm 😤

[hardy storm]

HDR lowers fps significantly yes

[hardy storm]

So in like 2050?

[proud trellis]

my moniter has a HDR option tho , does that mean it lowers my fps in game ?

[supple bane]

no, not unless you have hdr enabled

[proud trellis]

i do

[supple bane]

then disable it

fuuuuu, is that what was causing the fps issues

[proud trellis]

didnt know that

my computers fine now

[supple bane]

you should only enable hdr for movies

imo

[latent light]

@hardy storm I don't really see the point of anything above 4K unless you're on a 70+ inch TV

[proud trellis]

what is adaptive sync ?

[storm osprey]

doesnt windows have shit HDR implementation too?

[hardy storm]

Its meh

[hardy storm]

Neither do I. Hence running WQHD. 4k isnt going to be mainstream for at least another 10 years. Think about streaming things right now. 90% of them are still 720p.

[hardy storm]

I disagree. BF1 for example looks AMAZING with HDR on. Some other games do as well. If your FPS is fine, then enable it.

[latent light]

Some sports are live streaming in 4K lol especially the NFL

I think NBA does too

[hardy storm]

some yes.

Sports mostly. But any streaming TV services are still almost all 720p.

[latent light]

Yeah movies and TV shows look way better in 720p than games do

[supple bane]

afaik tv cant really go above 720p. because of the limited band width of radio waves

over long distances

that may be wrong tho

[hardy storm]

"TV" meant any streaming service. Hulu/YTTV etc

[supple bane]

Ah I see

So not tv then

[proud trellis]

https://youtu.be/QGVyBXKHB8g

his fucking voice but oh well

[silk echo]

pog

Yeah its a VR test but im too tired to download other shit to stress it

[proud trellis]

https://youtu.be/pocfGBQZUSI

[glossy plinth]

is that the canadian god of building pc's?

[proud trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-boy-cowboy-gif-12550037

[proud verge]

Is the difference between 1440p and 4k that much noticeable?

[proud trellis]

yes

[ebon yarrow]

depends on how close to the screen you sit

but small details blend better on higher resolutions

[proud trellis]

1440p is half of 4k ?

hence why people call 1440p "2k"

[ebon yarrow]

I still play on 1080p 😛

I'd probably feel like I needed to upgrade all my monitors if I upped the resolution... I like the relatively equal PPI on my monitors

[proud trellis]

i wish i was at 1080p but it would less good graphics wise

[ebon yarrow]

I have a 2x2 monitor configuration
would be cool to have two on top, and then a 32:9 monitor on the bottom

+-------+ +-------+
|       | |       |
+-------+ +-------+
+-----------------+
|                 |
+-----------------+

[stark quiver]

Why not one whole big one?

[ebon yarrow]

So, a TV

right?

[stark quiver]

Yes pretty much

[ebon yarrow]

Well, I frequently use 3 of my monitors, and 4 occasionally, so going down to 2+1 ultrawide wouldn't hurt me
buuuut, that being said, I use more than 1 monitor... and a TV just wouldn't do it

[stark quiver]

Couldn’t you just open multiple windows?

[ebon yarrow]

where will I keep those windows when I game?

[stark quiver]

I mean like multiple tabs that don’t over lap each other

[ebon yarrow]

they are not all browsers... read that wrong

but yea

no

I have 4 for a reason

[stark quiver]

Okay

[ebon yarrow]

and whenever I game, I like to have server browser (BF4), discord, and perhaps youtube open on different monitors

[stark quiver]

Okay

[ebon yarrow]

but that 2+1 would cost me something like 2000€, 💸 😫 (if I were to upgrade all my monitors)

[stark quiver]

That’s a lot of usd

2,600.40$

[ebon yarrow]

my monitor stand could at least handle the weight

[stark quiver]

That’s good

[ebon yarrow]

I mean, it handles 4 monitors right now

[stark quiver]

So 3 will not be that bad

[ebon yarrow]

probably not lol

[iron canyon]

I remember when I had 5...

[vagrant quarry]

Wait for 3080 restock or wait for 3080 Ti???

[coarse nimbus]

same chance of getting either one /s

[vagrant quarry]

lol

I think im better off getting the 3080. Ti would probably be $2k NZD since 3080 is $1.5k while 3090 is $2.6k

[latent light]

@vagrant quarry 3080Ti is likely to cost $999

$300 more than 3080 just for more VRAM lol

It's not really going to be faster since the 3090 is only like 7% faster than the 3080 lmao

3090 should be a contender for worst parts of the year on Gamers Nexus channel due to its horrible value proposition compared to the 3080 and 6800XT

It's Nvidia's fastest gaming card but it costs more than double the 3080 and offers marginally better performance

Honestly 3090 is aimed for content creation and workloads

[prime jasper]

It's confirmed that combustion light gas gun shoot the same projectile as railgun.
The difference is railgun uses the electromagnetic force to shoot a projectile while combustion light gas gun uses the explosive force of low molecular-weight combustible gases, such as hydrogen mixed with oxygen to shoot a projectile
If combustion light gas gun had been in video games,the design would have been based of the railgun

[molten bramble]

Not really the focus of this channel, probably something more appropriate for #general

[molten bramble]

I think @molten coral ran something like this.

[weak girder]

because having one big monitor is not the same thing as having 3 of them, when you game in fullsceen, it takes all the monitor's space

[pure osprey]

Lads, question
So I've got a dual monitor setup
My game audio is coming out of my headset, but the VOIP is coming from my speakers
What do

[chrome skiff]

in windows in sound settings/sound control panel make sure in playback you have your headset set to default playback device or disable your monitor audio if you don't use it for audio anyways

[pure osprey]

Thanks chap, I'll give it a go soon

[prime jasper]

@molten bramble ah ok thanks

[ebon yarrow]

Cool, just a bit expensive... and I frankly don't need it atm either way

[latent light]

AMD wins in 1080p lol

For some reason the lower the resolution or graphical settings, the bigger the performance gap

Maybe something to do with RDNA2 arch

[weak girder]

yeah

but their rtx is garbage

[strong condor]

Yeah, that's why I'm waiting for RDNA3 to upgrade, there's just no way a first gen raytraced AMD GPU can compete against a Nvidia 2nd gen raytraced GPU (RT wise I mean)

[storm osprey]

if youre buying any rx 6000 series card right now for 1080p you should at least be a pro gamer with a stupid high refresh rate monitor, or youre an idiot

hell even then pro gamers will turn down settings for visibility/fps, so these cards dont even really apply for that scenario

[vagrant quarry]

@latent light Read my currency. Prices in New Zealand is stupid thanks to GST and markup bullshit

But yep 3080 it is. That means new PSU as well

[storm osprey]

but if you get nvidia youll have to get a much higher psu because its not as efficient as amd
/s

[latent light]

The reasoning as to why even the RX 6800XT beats the RTX 3090 in 1080p:

Ampere is FP32 spam, think Vega, it can't be fed at that low of resolution/graphical details

[hardy storm]

Ya, that graph is so misleading, I wouldnt read into it much. We dont know how or where the data it uses, was created.

[coarse nimbus]

bench marking a 3090 on 1080 would seem like the biggest waste of someones time but hey its 2020 right

[modern gull]

1080p too high res for 3090, need 48 gb for that shit. It should be perfect on 240p since it only got 24gb vram.

[storm osprey]

i think the fact that 6800xt and 3080 are marginally different at 1440p and 3080 wins at 4k is all that people really need to know

[coarse nimbus]

how can something with inferior amounts of vram win at 4k this does not make sense!

[storm osprey]

10gb is a rip off! ( yet no one complained about 2080ti only getting 1gb more)

[proud trellis]

the card i wanna get has 8gb

[coarse nimbus]

16 gb min

[coarse nimbus]

big oofs

[latent light]

Suck it up Nvidia, rasterization is far more important than ray-tracing

And DLSS

[lament thistle]

Tank that can spit fire

[latent light]

I hope to see the RTX 3050 match the RTX 2060 or at least beat the GTX 1660Ti in gaming while costing ~$179

[supple bane]

Sold

[proud trellis]

pretty legit

[coarse nimbus]

bet that thing gets all the frames too

[proud trellis]

whoever buys that is set for life

[proud trellis]

anyone know any good speakers that include a subwoofer for around 50-70 pound

[storm osprey]

logitech z313 is like the standard response

im sure theres better though

[latent light]

Found a MSI GTX 980Ti Twin Frozr Golden Edition for just $35 they say that it just stopped displaying video

Wonder if it could be baked

[storm osprey]

I had that card. I loved it.

[latent light]

The whole heatsink is copper and it's a black and gold design

[turbid verge]

most likely fried

[opal cliff]

I assume 3080 would be overkill for 1080p 144hz?

[proud trellis]

yes

[opal cliff]

But would it still work fine for 1080p if I had the right cpu fir it

[proud trellis]

100%

[opal cliff]

Yeah that what I was thinking

Okay cool

[proud trellis]

https://youtu.be/_yo8_8Myk98

[opal cliff]

Because then I would not have to upgrade again fir a while lol

[proud trellis]

you would be set for ages yeah

[opal cliff]

Yeah prob going to just do that then when the prices come down then lol

[proud trellis]

yeah

gl

[opal cliff]

Lol hopefully they come down soon

[glossy mason]

Guys i need help:
So when I download games through the Origin software it disconnects my network - so that I have to unplug and restart router... Why is this happening? any ideas?

[supple bane]

@opal cliff I wouldn't get a 3080 for 1080p

Its a waste

[ashen ether]

Jumpstarting a psu safe?

I wanna jumpstart my psu when it arrives so I can test my fans

I dont have a motherboard yet

[opaque saddle]

i wouldn't do it

[ashen ether]

@opaque saddle why?

[opaque saddle]

not sure if your PSU is healthy or not. I know the older PSU may not like low wattage. Although in most of the cases it works fine, people will take words from others if it doesnt and eventually break the psu

@ashen ether

[ashen ether]

I ordered a CV550

[opaque saddle]

at least i wouldn't even i have 14 years exp working on my desktop

[ashen ether]

Set to arrive next week

[opaque saddle]

wait till your motherboard arrives then i guess it isnt late

[ashen ether]

How about jumpstarting a motherboard with a screw

[opaque saddle]

coz if your psu may or may not malfunction and spending more cash on it you have to wait for new parts

[ashen ether]

Is it safer

[opaque saddle]

not with screw

screwdriver you mean

[ashen ether]

Yea

[opaque saddle]

screwdriver is safer but it still have a risk coz i did ruin my psu once

remember what you are trying to do tho

if you got no idea what you are doing or wanting to do, then DONT do it

[ashen ether]

Aight

Thanks

[opaque saddle]

no worries

[ashen ether]

I'll see what I can do when my stuff arrives

[opaque saddle]

wait for your motherboard arrived then it wouldnt be too late for you

[ashen ether]

I ordered a CV550 and 6 fans

Anyways, My fans are 1200rpm max

I bought 6 for $20

Good deal or nah?

Also, my case has an optimal airflow guide

Which is 3 front intake, 2 top intake and 1 rear exhaust

Possitive pressure

[opaque saddle]

yeah

[opal cliff]

Why would it be a waste?

Then what about a 3060 for 1080 144

[supple bane]

because there are little games that can actually take advantage of a 3080 in 1080p

and there isnt a cpu on earth that wont bottleneck it in certain games

[proud trellis]

3070 would be alright at 1080p ?

[latent light]

@supple bane there isn't one game out there where a 3080 doesn't get bottlenecked at 1080p

Bottleneck at 1440p too

[chrome skiff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HaTaE61Gy4&t=174s all cause it doesnt hit 100% usage doesnt mean its a bottleneck....

You guys need to watch jayztwocents video on bottlenecking 1080p is still the dominant resolution on steam and it will be for a very long time. The gtx 1080 was overkill for 1080p when it launched and look how that turned out

[opal cliff]

So then what 3000 series card should I het for 1080p?

Get

[chrome skiff]

what are your expectations. Do you need "the best"? Do you need nvidia? What are some games you want to play at 1080p. Do you have a 144hz monitor?

[opal cliff]

I would get a 144hz monitor. But I would say I want to be sure I can max out future games with pretty high frame rate as well. And yes I would say I prefer nividia

I guess just the usually AAA games

[chrome skiff]

What cpu do you have/ are getting

[opal cliff]

That’s what I was going to ask

Not sure what cpu would be good for the 3080

But I have a i5 7500 right now

[chrome skiff]

So then whats your budget like do you have the budget to buy a 300 dollar cpu and a 7000 dollar gpu

700 oops lol

if you need to save money you can get a ton of performance going with the 3070 and save 200 bucks. You just need a budget and expectations.

[latent light]

RTX 3070 can't play 4K at all without DLSS on Cyberpunk

6.3 fps

[chrome skiff]

6.3 fps is playable cmon

its a 3070 its just how its supposed to be played

lol

[opal cliff]

I have been saving my money for a while to spend on my next upgrade and if the 3080 is only 200 more I would rather just get the 3080

Now

[chrome skiff]

if you get a r5 3600/r7 3700x or intel alternative you wont be sad about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GddcRHncAH0

This guy has some solid reviews cause he literally put the cpu in the mobo and benches it. Doesnt turn pbo off or change the power limits. Just out of the box vs out of the box

[opal cliff]

I think I would prob want to get r7 3700x. But are they equal those two cpus?

Equally good

[chrome skiff]

right now the 3600 6 core 12 thread cpu is best bet. The 3700x is a little overkill but if you play like bfv with a 3080 you will be happy to have it. The more gpu you have to run the more cpu usage there is. So It might be like 10% but it might be like 20% on bf6. So take future proofing with a grain of salt

also wait for the 3700x to go on sale. They hit 250 bucks quite often and also look into micro center if you're in the states. Really awesome deals there

[opal cliff]

0h okay and yeah I kinda want a little bit of future proof tbh like you said for games that are like cpu intensive

[chrome skiff]

3700x/intel 8 core would be perfect

[opal cliff]

And I guess to in the future in case games start using more cores and stuff

Thanks for the explanation and answering my questions

Not the best with this stuff

Okay cool

[chrome skiff]

Yup i have a intel system with a top of the line nvidia gpu and i hit 80%-90% cpu usage quite a bit but i also hit over 200fps

its a 8 core intel

[opal cliff]

Damn that sounds nice lol

[chrome skiff]

Well you arent buying "mid range parts" lol you have a top of the line pc in the making

[opal cliff]

Lol thats exactly what I want honestly with me saving for a while fir a new pc

For

[chrome skiff]

you wont be upset man. Just get a good psu decent mobo and some 3600mhz ddr4 and you wont be able to tell the difference with any other tol pc

[opal cliff]

Okay is that the speed ryzem CPU’s work best with

[chrome skiff]

the 3700x right? Thats 3600mhz cl 16 i can find some links if you want

[opal cliff]

Yeah

[chrome skiff]

in the us?

u.s?

[opal cliff]

Yeah in the US

[chrome skiff]

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232880?Description=3600mhz cl 16&cm_re=3600mhz_cl 16-_-20-232-880-_-Product&quicklink=true

this is 16 gb and cheap for the price.

16 gig is all you need unless you play like escape from tarkov

[supple bane]

or MSFS 2020

[chrome skiff]

oh true i forgot about flight sim

[supple bane]

its the only game i own that uses 100% of my ram

[opal cliff]

Oh cool thanks

[chrome skiff]

I played it for like 4 hours and never touched it again 😦

np @opal cliff

I mean escape from tarkov uses 18 gigs in game at 1440p. 15 at 1080p

I have 32 gigs in all my pcs but i dont just game on them

[storm osprey]

A 3060ti is more than enough for 1080p 144hz gaming right now. The point in buying something for now and not overspending is so you can upgrade sooner when next gen comes and get better performance for cheap.

[chrome skiff]

So 400 dollars for a low tier gpu or 300 dollars more for a top of the line gpu. Spend 700 now or 800 next gen? He wants something now he can play and not worry when new games come out

[storm osprey]

Gpu is ridiculously easy to swap too so there’s not really a reason to complain about it.

3060 ti is not low tier, and that 300 saved alone in 2-3 could mean getting a much better gpu than the 700 you spend 2-3 years ago

i mean, a 400 dollar gpu right now is beating 700 dollar gpus from last year

[chrome skiff]

selling a used 3060ti vs used 3080 in 3 years id still go with a 3080

[storm osprey]

gamble based on the market and how thing value going forward

when you can have a gauranteed 300 extra for next gpu upgrade by getting a 3060ti that is perfectly fine for 1080p for at least 2 years

[chrome skiff]

and thats your school of thought i woudnt recommend spending the 400+ dollars on a gpu twice. Aib adds to the price tax etc. Id rather recommend him a top of the line gpu and maybe he will skip whole generations maybe even 2. I mean it is overkill for 1080p right?

[storm osprey]

400 twice spread apart by 2 years and the new gpu in 2 years will likely beat the 700 you spent 2 years ago with more vram and newer features

[chrome skiff]

and he said he wants top fo the line so it fits what he wants

[storm osprey]

3080 is definitely overkill for 1080p

like... near everyone is gonna question why youre getting a 3080 for 1080p

[chrome skiff]

so people question why you would get it for 1440p

some*

Its a pc thats a personal computer. he wants the best and he wont be disappointed. It will last him more then 1 generation

also 2080 supers launched at 699. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImaOdWiUK58

Its not winning but its not wide enough to warrant an upgrade and if it was i dont think money would have been the issue

[spice lichen]

my good pc's monitor didn't come yet so i have to play on a shitty laptop. I want to know if i can run bf4 or bf3 with intel xe graphics and an i7 11th gen?

[chrome skiff]

just a rough guess i would say 10-15% between the two and also spending 700 bucks instead of 400 twice.

xe graphics? or just the igpu? You wont get far if you dont have a dedicated gpu

Well, unless its ryzen apus.

[spice lichen]

its just an intel xe igpu

i7 11th gen cpu

can i run it on low, 720p?

[chrome skiff]

oh you said a laptop got it, yeah it should be able to run it

dont expect 144fps but it should do ok tweaking the setting for like 60 fps ish maybe a touch more

[spice lichen]

oh ok

i have a 60hz monitor so i think thats good

thanks

[chrome skiff]

mhm np

@opal cliff we have 2 different options here so what would you do being the buyer. Would you buy a 3060ti for playable 1080p performance and then upgrade when the next 60 ti comes out. Or buy a 3080 with much more performance and maybe skip next generation? Just wondering

[storm osprey]

ive also asked build pc discords and everyone says 3080 is plain overkill, and questions 3700x instead of an intel or 5600x build

[chrome skiff]

well if you read our conversation i showed him the benchmarks of a 3600, 10600k, 3700x, and a 10700k being pretty close. So When he is looking for long term why tell him to get less cores? If they dont upgrade a cpu for 5-6 years and run top of the line gpus which will use more cpu usage it does kinda make sense. You can take your battles to what ever discord you want to. Im discussing this here. So you had to go talk to some one else for validation. Idc

[storm osprey]

im trying to get the dude the best use of his money, if you take it personal 🤷

[chrome skiff]

well you always seem to disagree with me. why did you get a 10700k over a 5600x it wasn't much more then your 10700k?

[storm osprey]

10400 is comparable to 3700x in performance too, but those are 170 bucks

[chrome skiff]

so is a 3600?

[storm osprey]

those have commonly been above 200 lately

it was like 3+ months ago they were sub 200

[chrome skiff]

you got your 10700k on sale doesn't mean they aren't 350 bucks right n9w

[storm osprey]

right, and my advice would change on the current market or when he decides to buy

and atm 3600 is OOS other than amazon for 320...

[chrome skiff]

I told him to get a 3600 or a 3700x when its on sale I don't see him buying right now

[opaque saddle]

calm down

[chrome skiff]

Sorry this guy gets away calling people stupid for their preferences

[storm osprey]

?

[chrome skiff]

3700x is just stupid a 3080 for 1080p is just stupid

[opaque saddle]

suggestion is advice tho, at the end it will be up to the person who wanna buy it.

[chrome skiff]

correct

micro center has a 3600 for 250 bucks atm

in stock

not online only

[opaque saddle]

why don't you guys help the person who needed to most to assist them to make their own decision

[chrome skiff]

I did and they were happy with it, bu nyphon wasnt

[storm osprey]

and still a 10400 is cheaper

i can not be happy with something and give a different perspective and you can decide to not take it personally

i dont take anything you say personally

[chrome skiff]

But you call people stupid for their suggestions

who should take that comment

you degrade people cause i often dont agree with how you word thing or help people

[opaque saddle]

guys can everyone take a step back please

[chrome skiff]

I can always drop it but this is the third time you just say take a step back

[storm osprey]

im calm honestly

[chrome skiff]

Its not like im sitting here with veins sticking out of my forehead i dont care past the finger tips what happens to this conversation

[opaque saddle]

this is a way that we can stop people from arguing

[storm osprey]

idk anything that i have said suggests im having any sort of negative reaction to the topic

[orchid folio]

Hello

[opaque saddle]

coz we do not want to issue a mute or a warn in order to stop the argument

[chrome skiff]

i guess im an idiot

[opaque saddle]

we all have opinions and it can be vary depending on the perspective from the person who suggested it

[chrome skiff]

So he gets to call people idiots?

you can go back to the first time i recommended a 3700x and he called me stupid for recommending it

[storm osprey]

so youre gonna pull a general statement from days ago and try to apply it today?

[chrome skiff]

making a stupid decision happens calling people stupid is different

[storm osprey]

like i personally called you an idiot?

[chrome skiff]

I mean its often enough with you i can quote it?

Well i did recommend a 3080 and or 6800xt for 1080p.

[storm osprey]

i better leave it here before i get warned for trying to give good advice and just had some random on the other side turn it into an argument

[chrome skiff]

I dont care i just dont think you should be allowed to degrade people

[noble steeple]

Let's just keep it civil. No need to spark an argument up again.

[chrome skiff]

Got it.

[noble steeple]

Fine, then let's move on.

[proud trellis]

sry

[noble steeple]

So, is a 1660 still a viable card? Actually wondering since i want to make a relatively inexpensive rig as a Christmas present for someone.

[opaque saddle]

🤔

[proud trellis]

i have a 16 series card

[chrome skiff]

definitely its no 4k contender but its fine lol

[opaque saddle]

what is the command for tech channel again?

[proud trellis]

i only get 60fps on warzone at 1440p but i only have 8gb ram so yeah

[noble steeple]

Oh, they don't really care for 4k. Since they mostly play older games, it should be something not that fancy.

[opaque saddle]

whats your budget

[noble steeple]

Oh btw, the person in question is usually busy with graphic design, as in doing logos and stuff. Would a 6th-7th Gen i7 suffice?

[noble steeple]

Around 1k, although i have some spare parts left over to cut costs.

[chrome skiff]

if you have it already yeah

[storm osprey]

for 1080p gaming its pretty ideal as long as you can turn down settings

[chrome skiff]

if you're buying new there are better options

[storm osprey]

!!build

[silent oasis]

1. What's your budget/currency and country of purchase? Any preferred physical/online shops?
2. Gaming? Streaming? What's your resolution/FPS targets? What games are you playing?
3. Not gaming or professional/hobby use cases? What are the applications you will use and workload involved? Kindly elaborate as much as possible.
4. What else do you need to buy? (monitor, keyboard, mouse, headset, speakers, Windows, WiFi)
5. Anything else you want to tell us? RGB, Small Form Factor, already have a part list? Tell us!
6. If you have a build list and are looking for a second opinion or are upgrading an existing system, please have a PCPartPicker permalink for it (https://pcpartpicker.com/list)

[opaque saddle]

so 1K USD or 1K Euro? @noble steeple

[noble steeple]

1k Euro

[opaque saddle]

and what sort of spare parts do you have

[noble steeple]

Hmmm, as implied, i have indeed a 6th gen i7 and a fitting mainboard as spares

[opaque saddle]

unless you want to spend for on new CPU and motherboard. maybe you should reuse it

and get a better gpu instead?

[noble steeple]

Oh, they still do a fine job

[opaque saddle]

with 16gb of ram

[noble steeple]

Hmmm, i think i can scrape up some RAM sticks as well

2133 should do

[opaque saddle]

i meant it does the job since the person who will use it play older games

[noble steeple]

1k is the maximum amount to spare, however i'd keep it as low as possible since said person is a student

Say, would you recommend a 144Hz monitor with the build? Simple 144Hz, Full-HD

[opaque saddle]

depending on the price

i will answer it one by one

[noble steeple]

Sure

[opaque saddle]

so...

1. GPU
2. RAM (16GB - 2x8GB)
3. PSU (80+ bronze/silver at least)
4. Computer Case (cheap one will do the job)
5. 1TB HDD + 500GB SSD

Additional items
6. New 144hz monitor
7. After market CPU cooler

Unsure
8. Mouse and keyboard

[opaque saddle]

depending on your budget, coz the 6th gen i7 can run 144hz 1080p depending on the game, in game graphics settings and the GPU

since the person do graphic design, it is strongly recommended IPS display

[noble steeple]

Any recommendations in mind?

[opaque saddle]

unfortunately i do not have recommendations in mind coz i tends to NOT pick 1080p 144hz these days

what size will that be

a 21.5"? 24" or 27"(Please do not go for 27", it looks really really bad at 1080P)

[noble steeple]

24" will more than suffice

[proud trellis]

how does 27" look bad at 1080p ?

[opaque saddle]

a typical 24" IPS 144hz display will cost around 170-200 Euro

without sales, normal price

[storm osprey]

the individual pixels at 1080p 27" are pretty large and noticeable

depending on who you are you could be fine with them, but most people ive come across dont like it

[opaque saddle]

Pixel density. Assuming a person who sat in front of the display, the person can see individual pixels from a 27" 1080p

[chrome skiff]

ppi isn't a good way to calculate clear or sharpness

[proud trellis]

is that why 720p moniters are so small ?

[chrome skiff]

contrast os more important for clarity

[opaque saddle]

keep in mind that, the person uses it as a graphic design tool

[chrome skiff]

I would still look to contrast over size. 92 pixels vs 81 I cant count that type of pixels upclose

id rather have size and clarity to move things around but ppi is bad way to explain. clarity. look at iphomes vs samsungs

[opaque saddle]

I bought a viewsonic vx2758-2kp-mhd for 250 Euro, it has

1. 1440p 144hz IPS display
   2.Wide color gamut, a (almost) P3 display, 131% srgb

[chrome skiff]

iPhone look great with much less pixels then a Samsung

[proud trellis]

i swear down tho nacho has that 40 inch moniter thats 1080p ?

[opaque saddle]

hmm ppi is a way to explain the pixel density between 24" and 27" display

[chrome skiff]

I agree for the price that viewpoint would be great

[opaque saddle]

unless you sit 5 foot away from it

[storm osprey]

but until iphone 12 most iphones used lcd/led while samsung has been using oled

oled has much better contrast ratio

[supple bane]

That's different, it's not 1080p like you think it is

[storm osprey]

and samsungs generally had better resolutions too

[proud trellis]

oh

[chrome skiff]

contrast is much better for inage clarity over ppi

[supple bane]

Its ultra wide, its the equivalent of having 2 24" 1080p monitors put together

Same size and reso

[proud trellis]

[opaque saddle]

we were talking about a 27" 1080p display and 24" 1080p display

[proud trellis]

ohh

[chrome skiff]

i wasn't saying not to get a 24incg i was just saying people blow ppi out of proportion. my gf has a 1080p asus ips and it looks amazing. never thought huh this things pixels look weord or the words come off fuzzy

[opaque saddle]

depending on how far the person is sitting from a 1080p display

[storm osprey]

theres a ton of factors

use case, games, settings, distance, eye sight, etc

[opaque saddle]

in that use case, it will be IPS (Use case: graphics design), 24" 1080p (Requested)

[proud trellis]

what even is IPS , is it to do with the colouring ?

[storm osprey]

panel technology

[chrome skiff]

in plane switching

[opaque saddle]

IPS has better colour accuracy and colour gamut

lacks of contrast (compared to VA) and back light bleeding, comes with more expensive cost

[storm osprey]

is ips still considered generally "slower" than TN?

[chrome skiff]

depends on generation of ips and tn

[storm osprey]

i know that was a talking point for a while and why most serious gamers used tn

[opaque saddle]

coz 360hz IPS released by asus

[chrome skiff]

this gen ips is 1ms while tn is 0.5

[storm osprey]

so if youre playing for money tn is likely the way to go still, otherwise get IPS if you can afford

[opaque saddle]

the middle ground is VA but comes with ghosting

[noble steeple]

Again, said person is a graphic designer, and not a gamer

So clarity over reaction speed

[storm osprey]

sorry i just got to thinking about the differences and kinda hijacked the topic

[opaque saddle]

yeah so IPS will be a mandatory

so i initially stated

[noble steeple]

Good, so i should look for a decent IPS 24" monitor, preferably with 144Hz

[chrome skiff]

why no 5k apple display? jk jk

[opaque saddle]

it shall be down to, how premium the monitor it will be with less or minimal impact on the 1k euro budget

[noble steeple]

Exactly

[opaque saddle]

coz IPS displays aren't cheap, they can be expensive if you want the extra premium juice out of it

[storm osprey]

try hard pc help discord im in list drop

1080p144hz IPS: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#r=192001080&F=579120000,647700000&D=144000,280000&sort=price&P=2 (Also check PIxio PX247 and PX248 on Amazon)

[noble steeple]

If we're going for the 1660, then you can already substract ~230€ from said budget

[storm osprey]

Monitors, 1080p 144hz IPS, 24in
AOC 24G2
Acer VG240Y Pbiip
Asus VP249QGR
Pixio PX247
MSI OPTIX G241
(UK/EU) Viewsonic XG2405
Acer XV240YP

[opaque saddle]

i stated

this is what i got

not what you will be getting

[noble steeple]

That MSI sounds familiar

[storm osprey]

i havent kept up with monitors so i have no input, this is just a list that discord has created

[opaque saddle]

so... down to this

1. GPU
2. RAM (16GB - 2x8GB)
3. PSU (80+ bronze/silver at least)
4. Computer Case (cheap one will do the job)
5. 1TB HDD + 500GB SSD

Additional items
6. New 1080p 144hz monitor
7. After market CPU cooler

Unsure
8. Mouse and keyboard

[storm osprey]

im talking like 30 people that contribute compiling data to make lists

[opaque saddle]

i do not see the point paying extra new MB and CPU. it will stay as 6th gen i7

[storm osprey]

unless they want modern gaming a 6700 would be fine

[noble steeple]

As for the aftermarket cooler, i already have a spare model as well

[opaque saddle]

this will give us extra flexibility for other parts

[storm osprey]

damn salty how much extra parts do you have xD

[noble steeple]

I'm a scavenger and hoarder in that regard

That's how i ended up with 4 SSDs in my system

[opaque saddle]

unless you wanna use one of the ssd

and put that into the system and get a 1tb hdd or 1tb ssd (SATA)

[noble steeple]

Nah, i think i'd go with a fresh one, same for the HDD

[opaque saddle]

coz SSD these days are cheap

[noble steeple]

I'm not fond of reusing storage drives

So why not go for a fresh one. I think for the SSD a 850 EVO will do just fine.

As for the HDD, i surely don't want to go below 7200rpm

[opaque saddle]

actually a 500gb ssd is cheap but 1tb is nicer (which you dont need a HDD)

[noble steeple]

Call me old fashioned, but i always try to fit in a plain HDD somewhere

[proud trellis]

i got an ssd (500gb) and it was like 45 pounds

wd green

[supple bane]

wait, you BROUGHT wd green?

or did it come in the pre built?

[noble steeple]

What about Seagate Barracuda?

[proud trellis]

bought

[opaque saddle]

i think a 860 EVO 1tb is around 88Euro

[supple bane]

yikes, arent they dram lesss?

[storm osprey]

yea granty

[opaque saddle]

it was good and im using one of those

[supple bane]

sheesh

[storm osprey]

and you can get a wd blue ssd for like 5 bucks more

[proud trellis]

whats that do

make it slower or something

[opaque saddle]

so DRAM will speed up your ssd

[supple bane]

dram less ssd's have significantly reduced performance

[opaque saddle]

and makes it more durable in general use

[supple bane]

its not far off hard drive speeds

without dram

[storm osprey]

basically, outside of nvme, gets an ssd with dram

[opaque saddle]

not writing directly on to the SSD at first

[proud trellis]

ff sake

[noble steeple]

Say if i were to go for an SSD/HDD build, is a Hybrid HDD recommendable?

[storm osprey]

imo no

[opaque saddle]

one thing i dont understand is tho, a 4TB SSD cost 90AUD and a 2TB cost 89UD

it is difficult to answer tenten

coz the price of ssd has comes down to point where

it does not worth paying for HDD and it is a sweet spot for SATA (DRAM) ssd

[noble steeple]

See, SSDs are clearly nice to speed things up, however i always prefer to have an HDD as a backup solution, as i stated

[storm osprey]

@proud trellis

you didnt listen to meeeee

[opaque saddle]

ok

[noble steeple]

A bit old fashioned, i know, but i never really ran into trouble with those solutions

[storm osprey]

dont tell me sorry, its your money

say sorry to yourself

or your mom, idk who paid for this

[opaque saddle]

so... down to this

1. GPU
2. RAM (16GB - 2x8GB)
3. PSU (80+ bronze/silver at least)
4. Computer Case (cheap one will do the job)
5. 1TB HDD + 250/500GB SATA DRAM SSD

Additional items
6. New 24" IPS 1080p 144hz monitor

[proud trellis]

nyphon it was 40 pounds

[storm osprey]

and wd blue was probably 45 pounds

[opaque saddle]

i wouldn't buy cheap ssd...

[supple bane]

yeah, it was a bad decision

[proud trellis]

i still have another space for storage im pretty sure under my gpu

so if i ever need to get something like a samsung ssd i will be able to get one

[chrome skiff]

I wouldnt sweat over owning it. Dram less ssd's used to just be cheaper by a lot. Also go on sale quite a bit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJVuxgfNbzs

[noble steeple]

Never went wrong with Samsung

[chrome skiff]

I picked up a toshiba ocz 4 years ago. have tons of games on it and its a second or 2 slower then my 970 evo nvme. If you're moving 100's of gbs at a time sure it isnt worth it

[storm osprey]

for just gaming samsung ssds are a bit of a waste outside of sales

[opaque saddle]

yeah i have picked a 860 evo 500gb

[chrome skiff]

Even my dram 970 evo 2tb at 90% capacity slows down

[noble steeple]

I have an almost 5 years old 850 Evo still kicking it

Quite impressive

[storm osprey]

the difference between an mx500 and a 970 evo nvme in game loads is usually 2-5 seconds

[opaque saddle]

not that really expensive compared to other brands

[storm osprey]

nah not really but im always after bang for buck

[opaque saddle]

but every person that i know of with samsung ssd has never failed in the last 5 years

[noble steeple]

Anyways, what HDDs would you guys recommend?

[storm osprey]

if i can save 20 bucks and load 2 seconds slower, im saving 20 bucks

[opaque saddle]

tenten...

[molten bramble]

I wouldn’t recommend any HDD as a system drive.

[noble steeple]

No, the OS is going to the SSD

[molten bramble]

SSD for system, HDD for storage.

[opaque saddle]

he wants a HDD tho, which is a pro and a con

[chrome skiff]

The ocz 1tbs go on sale for 60 bucks quite often. Mine is very old and still runs like new

[opaque saddle]

i got a 4TB barracuda for 90 AUD

[molten bramble]

I run Western Digital Red Pros x2 in my rig.

[noble steeple]

Hmmm

[chrome skiff]

I was gonna say mech you can get like 8tb for 100bucks

[molten bramble]

They’re highly reliable with good r/w seek.

[noble steeple]

The HDD is purely for storage

Aren't WD Red NAS HDDs?

[molten bramble]

Yes

[opaque saddle]

be aware of SMR drive

the SMR drive are less reliable and cost less for consumer and hdd manufacturer to produce, however,most of the new hdd these days are SMR

[molten bramble]

I run them as well in my Synology NAS

Both NAS’ actually

[noble steeple]

Only heard good things about Reds

But for a rather simple rig...

I dunno, seems like overkill

[opaque saddle]

if you want cheap seagate barracuda hdd, here is one
https://www.seagate.com/au/en/consumer/backup/expansion-hard-drive/

it is a barracuda drive under the hood

[molten bramble]

I’ve only had one go bad in ten years with heavy use on two continents. That’s pretty good.

[noble steeple]

Ah yes, the trick of buying an external HDD, scraping it out and putting it into your rig

[opaque saddle]

and the 4TB barracuda cost about 56 EURO (converted from 90AUD)

[molten bramble]

And it wasn’t a failure, just started developing bad sectors. So I swapped them both in sequence for new ones with higher seek and increased capacity.

[opaque saddle]

however the 4tb barracuda it isnt as reliable as the server drives tho

[molten bramble]

I used Seagate in the past, had multiple drive failures. Never again.

[opaque saddle]

i remember seagate drives used to be good, then it is a failure. same as wd

[noble steeple]

Just get Toshiba. Highest Data Security on the market. The Drives tend to delete themselves if they're unplugged from power.

Jokes aside, WD is a strong contender.

[molten bramble]

Maxtor drives used to have high reliability as well, but that pretty much went in the shitter mid-2000s

[opaque saddle]

i got one of the maxtor

[chrome skiff]

I still have a wd velociraptor drive that runs just fine

[opaque saddle]

before it got purchased by seagate

[chrome skiff]

10k rpm sounds like a jet taking off. Things great

[opaque saddle]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/qQTwy4
@noble steeple price estimate

[noble steeple]

Let's see

[opaque saddle]

it doesnt mean you have to purchase all those

but just giving you a price estimate coz people usually buy things at once

[molten bramble]

Heh, you’ve never heard crazy sounds until you’ve heard a 500Mb (yes, megabyte) drive do it’s thing.

[opaque saddle]

i got one of the 8gb one when i was a kid

[noble steeple]

Trust me, i had one of those

[molten bramble]

Things used to be the size of a brick.

I still have one somewhere in the closet.

[chrome skiff]

6th gen cpu uses ddr3 and 4. Thats the 6700k Does he have a mobo that is ddr3?

[molten bramble]

Damn thing cost us $2,500

[opaque saddle]

actually right

[noble steeple]

Or my first GB sized HDD. Had to cool it down with a bag of ice because it was actively slowing down my PC

[opaque saddle]

i forgot they made a switch between gen 4 and gen 6

coz i got the gen 4 cpu

[noble steeple]

Looks solid

[chrome skiff]

6th gen have mobos that are ddr3 and then alternative ddr4 variants

[noble steeple]

Reasonable as well

[chrome skiff]

I have one

[opaque saddle]

wait up

updated

coz you know what

if you give it a bit of flexibility in parts with the price estimate provided, you can get a really good monitor and a good GPU at the same time

but.. the problem is

im unsure which monitor to go for
i felt like you can ended up getting a 144hz monitor and a 2060S/KO at the same time within the budget

@chrome skiff unsure which one he got, but usually be around $65 for 2x8GB ram. My friend got one as well

[chrome skiff]

yup just wanted to bring it up so there wasnt any issue buying ram

[opaque saddle]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/xgD4Yg

updated

unsure the wattage with the 1660 super or 2060 SUPER/KO, the PSU can be 600w or something, price can be different as well
on top of that, he got extra 428 Euro to spend on monitor and possible upgrade for GPU to 2060 SUPER/KO

[chrome skiff]

180 watts on the 2060 not oc'd

and the 1660 is.... 120? iirc

[molten bramble]

I think I averaged 130W on my 1660Ti

[chrome skiff]

sound about right

[opaque saddle]

but take this as price estimation

coz i do not know which mobo tenten got, whether it is a DDR3 or DDR4 mobo for his 6th i7

[molten bramble]

Solid card, just no RTX, but wasn’t really playing anything that would have taken advantage of that anyways. For the money, it was a good buy.

[latent light]

3080 I want

[coarse nimbus]

hm my 1070ti OC drawing up to 170w on the board draw

[chrome skiff]

God that looks good

[latent light]

https://www.zotac.com/us/product/graphics_card/zotac-gaming-geforce-rtx-3080-trinity-oc-white-edition

[coarse nimbus]

hmm its zotac so youll probably find it in stock

[chrome skiff]

id buy it if I didn't have one

why is that? quality control is much different then it used to be. they have a range they have to build within and propose a design to be rated for the actual gpu die

I have a zotac amp 980ti runs like new

regardless id buy it that looks super clean

[proud trellis]

can someone help me pls

my left moniter has gone all weird

that shading

it went like it after i restared my computer

it goes back to normal when i have HDR on but i turned it off like 3 days ago when i found out it lowered FPS but it just went like that

[supple bane]

do you have to turn hdr off in the monitors settings as well ?

[proud trellis]

ye

think so

always a problem mann

[latent light]

https://twitter.com/CapFrameX/status/1337533459489763328?s=19

CapFrameX (@CapFrameX)

Cyberbunk 2077 has a load balancing problem with AMD Ryzen CPUs. SMT seems not be used?!

@CDPROJEKTRED @AMD @Thracks https://t.co/bd7oqwsT5P

Twitter · Dec 11, 2020, 11:03 PM

Cyberpunk using all Intel's CPU threads but not all of AMD Ryzen threads

[proud trellis]

@supple bane could it be my moniter itself or my graphics card ? if u was to have a guess

[molten coral]

monitor settings 100%

[proud trellis]

oh

will have a look in a min

[proud trellis]

https://youtu.be/uyVD_KujAJs ngl the razer case looks alright

[molten coral]

bad airflow

What is it with cases and having the front basically closed with a few holes.

[proud trellis]

bad airflow ?

[supple bane]

yeah looks pretty bad to me lol, but looks can be deceiving i guess

[proud trellis]

eh

thing i like about the case is how clean it is , not like there is no dust but its build is clean

[supple bane]

very much similar to nzxt's cases

[proud trellis]

i like this case but it looks like bad airflow too

[weak girder]

one of my friends has it

he put an rtx 3080 and i9 10900k in it

[proud trellis]

jeeez

[weak girder]

with a 1080 60hz monitor

...

I hope hs upgrades his monitor soon

[proud trellis]

yeah

3080 might bottleneck at 1080p tho

as someone said yesterday

[supple bane]

it wont bottleneck

it just wont reach its full potential

1080p isnt enough to stress a 3080

[proud trellis]

swear down someone said it would

nvm

[latent light]

@proud trellis @supple bane 3080 gets bottlenecked at 1080p for all games and 1440p for most

[supple bane]

well, bottleneck isnt the right word imo

[latent light]

i9-10900K nor Ryzen 9 5950X can't max out the RTX 3080 in 1080p and 1440p (ultrawide too)

That indicates CPU bottleneck

[supple bane]

ah i see what you mean

i miss read that as "3080 gets bottlenecked BY 1080p"

[proud trellis]

long time no see ando btw

[fallen harbor]

hey

[chrome skiff]

I have 95+ % gpu usage at 1080p on my 3080. just tried it out. just like the video I posted earlier of other people showing its not bottlenecked.

https://youtu.be/z-KZI7pNoXw

https://youtu.be/0HaTaE61Gy4

the first video is a cpu bottleneck. the second video is a 3080 being high 90% gpu usage in 1080p while clearly having performance gains over a 3070

stop telling people its a bottleneck when it isn't

there is clearly gainz between the 2 gpus at 1080p and 1440p not every game but most

if you pair a 3080 with a old i7 ofc its gonna choke but anything modern would be more then enough

And one more so the gpu % up top shows how much of the gpu is being used. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VetTyhu5cTI

[latent light]

Still a bottleneck nonetheless

[chrome skiff]

define bottleneck

cause the fps also drops going to 1440p meaning the demand is taking away headroom. So it scales correctly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLkV5yoCUkk&t=805s&ab_channel=JayzTwoCents

He can explain it if you need help

[glossy plinth]

and LTT

[chrome skiff]

I just showed 4-5 examples of what not being bottlenecked looks like and you still said its bottlenecks so idk how else to help

its not like any of them gained fps going up in resolution

[latent light]

You're not going to gain fps by going up in resolution in any scenario lol

[chrome skiff]

but changing resolution should do something or then it would be limited to the draw calls to the gpu. not on scenario showed that

on jayz 8700k or a 5800x on a 10900k let alone a 5950x

anything semi new has the horse power to push that gpu fine

[latent light]

Then why is the 3080 only 15% faster than the 2080Ti in 1080p but over 50% faster in 4K

Wouldn't that indicate that CPU limits the 3080 in ~1440p

[chrome skiff]

No its the architecture The gpu scales 1x4 they explained it in the keynote. There are plenty of people explaining why the 3080 does better at 4k. It was optimized to do so. That video on bfv shows the 3080 at 1080p being 50 fps faster then a 3070.

and also being well into the 90% gpu usage

[latent light]

With or without DXR and DLSS and HDR

[chrome skiff]

he shows all of it. high vs low dxr on vs off i dont think hdr is on most people dont use hdr right now on pc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7npXXyXJzI&ab_channel=HardwareUnboxed

[latent light]

Notice how RTX 3000 series scales better above 1440p while RX 6000 series scales better at 1440p and lower

[chrome skiff]

he literally explains it in 1 whole video. There are 3 games that would be cpu bottlenecks. hitman flight sim and wwz. Those are the only game i know of that have issues not only 1080p issues

[latent light]

Example based on 18 different games, RX 6800XT is 5% faster than the RTX 3090 in 1080p while being 10% slower in 4K

[chrome skiff]

You said it was a cpu bottleneck. You said even a 10900k vs a 5950x bottlenecks it. That was what i was discussing. The cards not scaling correctly is nothing to do with cpu but all in its architecture.

Nothing to do with the cpu

[latent light]

CPU is a big factor

[chrome skiff]

No it isnt watch the videos i posted

I have my 3080 on my 6700k at 4.8ghz and on all my games i get 88%+ usage at 1080p.

not to mention game optimization could be the bigger factor

[latent light]

[chrome skiff]

I mean you can doubt it but jayz simulates 4c4t and it does fine

[latent light]

6700K will bottleneck the fuck out of a 3080 in 1080p lol

[proud trellis]

one of my friends bought cold war , but he is having low frames , he has a 1650s not im not sure what cpu he has , he has 8gb ram too , he plays 1080p

[chrome skiff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJfhYOk1XMo

[latent light]

My brother has a 8086K at 5.3 GHz and a LC 3080, says he experiences bottleneck in some games at 1440p ultrawide and in 1080p no game fully utilizes his 3080

[chrome skiff]

obviously something else is wrong

thats all old i7 and its about 20 fps on average between a 6700k and a 10700k but we wont bring core count into this

[latent light]

Yeah probably his 3080 is borked

Didn't have bottlenecks with his 2080Ti

[chrome skiff]

I didnt either, i dont have bottlenecks with my 3080 or my amd cards

I main 1440p but i tested 1080p just so im not talking out my ass

not to mention all being stock. the 6700k stock is 4ghz all core. we are at or past the 5ghz barrier

well for intel not amd

[latent light]

Ryzen 5000 shattered the 5GHz barrier

Haven't you been seeing 5900X/5950X hitting 5.1 and 5.2 GHz singlecore

[chrome skiff]

stock? no i havent but i guess i have to explain i meant stock

I have a 5950x i dont need you to explain to me how good or bad the cpus are

its 4.8ghz boost

you can go right to amds website and read the info on it

[latent light]

My brother that I was just talking about builds PCs for people and businesses

Sometimes he plays around and overclocks hardware in those PCs

[chrome skiff]

Ok so he has hands on experience with more then one pc. So do i. And i dont come out telling people its a cpu bottleneck when its clearly not

[latent light]

One computer he was toying with had a 5950X, he told me that 12 cores out of 16 peaked at 5 GHz and 3 of them touched 5.1 GHz

[chrome skiff]

you still havent defined bottleneck. My 5950x with pbo boost into the 5ghz range but that isnt what amd rates them for. Pbo will void warranty per amd due to "overclocking"

[latent light]

Manual clockspeed and voltage is still the way to go

[chrome skiff]

I was referencing a list of old cpus climbing the clock speed ladder and we just recently reached the 5ghz barrier for stock speeds/boosts

This is a whole different conversation

ahh you can lead a horse to water.... yaddy yaddy yah

[glossy plinth]

bottleneck is like

Goku and Vegeta’s fusion dance

if one isnt as strong as the other

bam everythinggoes wrong

[storm osprey]

i dont think looking at % is the end all say all, my 3080 was using 100% at 1440p with my 4790 but getting 200ish fps in overwatch

now with my 10700k and everything else the same im still getting 100% gpu usage but hitting OW cap fps of 400 consistently

[chrome skiff]

you also had stutters and originally said you were disappointed in the 3080 vs your 1080 when you got it. sounds like there was something else wrong with your pc. My 6700k run about 20 fps behind my 10900k at 1080p

[proud trellis]

CW runs alright tbf , medium/high settings and get around 80 FPS , just need the 16GB of ram now and i will be fine as it sometimes stutters

[chrome skiff]

cw does run really well im pretty surprised. I used that for my 3080 1080p and it really does run great. unfortunately it hates overclocks from what I've heard and own experience. any oc on my pc cpu or gpu it crashes randomly while playing

[latent light]

https://www.phonearena.com/news/the-cost-of-being-an-apple-super-fan-is-quite-prohibitive_id129034

Deep dive into how Mac users think

[coarse nimbus]

apple stuff is expensive?

[primal pier]

Does Apple even do gaming PCs

I’ll say it’ll double

[molten coral]

Can say all you want about apple devices but they keep working for the longest time compared to other devices from other brands.

At least from my experience

[latent light]

[fallen harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jeMp7qdS2U

[latent light]

By January/February 2022, with predicted prices in mind, the best value products available at that time I would suggest: Gigabyte B650-DS3H or ASRock B650M-HDV for ~$90 USD, Ryzen 5 6600 for ~$220 USD and 16GB DDR5 <5200MHz for $100 USD

DDR5 is gonna be expensive, I can't see 16GB of it costing less than $100

[molten coral]

Cheap

[latent light]

Anyway, B650 motherboards should actually come out cheaper than B550 did

[molten coral]

Meanwhile I had to pay 200 for 3200mhz 16GB gskill trident z

It’s now way cheaper

[latent light]

DDR4 isn't gonna become that much cheaper when DDR5 comes out

Probably just stay the same

Rocket Lake is gonna dethrone Ryzen 5000 in March when it comes to high-end gaming performance

expects over 10% IPC gains over Comet Lake with similar 5.3 GHz boost on the top processor

But we know AMD is good at pricing to compete

Then 6-8 months after Rocket Lake, Ryzen 6000 and DDR5 say hello

[modern gull]

Hmmm strange. Was there maybe any recent updates to the game or other variables you could think of that could have affected the fps?

[storm osprey]

No updates to game in terms of performance. I think something was up with my build but I had a friend with almost the exact same build have problems too.

[weak girder]

one of my friends was kinda scamed when a guy built him a pc and put in 1x16gb ram, why is this much slower than my 2x8

[modern gull]

hmmm..... this is strange i must say, maybe something with MB/bios?

[modern gull]

Ya should always do dual channel for max ram speed.

[weak girder]

he doesn't know a lot about pc's and he turned towards me for a budget build: I told him get a 1650 super, ryzen 3 3100 and 16 gigs of ram

He went to a ocmputer centre and the people there build his pc but with only 1x16gb ram

which I wonder why they did that

[lofty light]

Because it was cheaper

[weak girder]

it's kind of a dirt move

for bfV ur gonna suffer with 1x16

[proud trellis]

tbf my friend has a 1650s with 1x8 gb stick

he gets low FPS but it’s because of the single channel , but his 1650s is decent at running Cold War

[weak girder]

with 2x4 I had stuttering

good thing I upgraded to 2x8

[modern gull]

So you are saying Ram affects fps?

[modern gull]

ya 8gb might be to low on most current games i think

[strong breach]

single channel ram makes a huge dip in FPS in some games

[modern gull]

in what way?

[strong breach]

you just get less FPS than you would with dual channel ram set up

[modern gull]

How and why?

[strong breach]

dunno why im not that tech smart

here's an example with BFV though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k5wA7EFwpo

[modern gull]

i see

[lofty light]

I had to upgrade the ram in my sisters PC from 8gb to 16gb because of Minecraft

[modern gull]

interesting. is this real?

[strong breach]

yeah

[modern gull]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm lol

but at 1 stick gpu not high usage

hmmm

interesting

[strong breach]

can always test with your own system

just pull 1 ram stick out :D

[modern gull]

dont laugh, i already only got one lol

[strong breach]

ah :(

[modern gull]

was gonna buy 2nd one later but never got around to it

but the fact of the matter his gpu not running same %

[strong breach]

true, but that might be caused by having 1 ram stick :P not sure though

i would recommend having 2 though

[modern gull]

ya dual channel always better anyways

quad being the best ofc lol

[weak girder]

it actually does look at benchmarks with single and dual channel ram on bfv

[weak girder]

it might have to do with cpu limitation but ai'm not sure

[modern gull]

hmmm

[strong breach]

ram should be relatively cheap right now

[modern gull]

i need to buy a new set, was looking yesterday actually anyways

could buy on ebay etc... tho

[weak girder]

yeah its quite cheap, ur better spending 30$ for thar extra stick than get stuttering

[modern gull]

never really belive ram would affect fps anyways. it this video you sent me it only seems to affect gpu usage for some strange reason

still dont actually lol. hmmm.....

[weak girder]

btw why is ram usage quite low on singleplayers?

it only seems to spike up in multiplayers

[modern gull]

maybe they need more stuff stored to be loaded quickly or something

i must try this when i get 2nd stick actually. but its not like i dont have 100% gpu in games tho

[proud trellis]

It does ....

[weak girder]

4gb ram is unplayable

[proud trellis]

IMO 8gb is too

[modern gull]

hmmm skeptical but i will try it. i mostly get 100% gpu usage if i unlock fps

[weak girder]

you can get by with 8 but with stuttering in certain games

[modern gull]

i need 16 more gb lol

only got 16 now

[weak girder]

I used to play bf5 with 8 with just minor stutters here and there

[proud trellis]

I have 8 and I get stuttering in BFV and CW

[weak girder]

it qas still very playable

[weak girder]

is it 1x8 or 2x4?

[proud trellis]

2x4

[weak girder]

whats ur cpu?

[modern gull]

hmm....

[weak girder]

cause the major reasin for stuttering in bf5 is cpu

[proud trellis]

an i5-9400f

[weak girder]

oh

did you try any ram cleaners

[proud trellis]

no

[weak girder]

aaha

download ICSL

it clears all the ram windows i occupying

and razer cortex

[modern gull]

i will check into this ram thing. i still dont belive it at all but i wont rule it out tho

[proud trellis]

it does run fine when I close everything in the background tho with.little stuttering

I have razer cortex

[weak girder]

I run discord at most lol

[proud trellis]

I’m getting 16gb ram for Xmas anyway tho so I can wait a few days

[weak girder]

whats your gpu?

[proud trellis]

it’s a 1660s

[strong breach]

my 3080 will never arrive lmao

[proud trellis]

still don’t have it ?

[strong breach]

it's been 3 months in uhh half a week

👏

1/4 of a year 👏

[proud trellis]

can’t u refund ?

[modern gull]

you ordered 3 months ago?

[strong breach]

yea

19.9.2020

[modern gull]

damn i ordered 10 days ago lol

rip

hopefully after new years it will be quick

which one did you order btw and EU or?

[strong breach]

yeah im from EU

ofc i could refund anytime i want but the prices of rtx3080 have skyrocketed

so i'll rather wait than pay +180€

got mine for 760€

[modern gull]

ya from 1 retailer here they went up about 100 EUR

mine for about 900 eur lol

[strong breach]

yeah just for that reason im waiting :D

the gpu i ordered would be like 940€ right now

[modern gull]

you got founders edition or?

[strong breach]

Asus TUF OC

[modern gull]

lol that cost about 1k eur here now

i ordered the GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3080 Eagle OC

[strong breach]

At the time of ordering

That was the 2nd cheapest option

Cheapest being asus tuf non oc

[modern gull]

oh i see

[proud trellis]

I wanted to get a 3070 FE more then anything

[strong breach]

i like how 3060ti is about 600€

atm

and 3080 Founders started from 699

[proud trellis]

wait what

3060ti is 600

[strong breach]

well

just a little under

550 would be more realistic price

[proud trellis]

still a lot tho for a budget card ?

[strong breach]

it is

[proud trellis]

lol

[weak girder]

why do some people say the rtx 3060 ti is a "mid end card"

"IF IT CANT DO 4K AT 144FPS IT IS ABSLOUTELY WORTHLESS"

[lofty light]

[shell willow]

RTX 2060 is the best:)))I have 50 60 fps in battlefild on ultra

[weak girder]

oof you have a serious cpu bottleneck right there

the rtx 2060 should get 110 fps on ultra

your getting 1650 super performance

whats ur cpu?

[modern gull]

maybe they just didnt set prefer max performance in control panel

but is those settings with DXR graphics enabled?

[weak girder]

even without doing this...

[weak girder]

dxr is more 50-60fps high

[shell willow]

hmmmmmmmm,that is bolshet 😦 on all ultra i have 67 -70 fps wtf,you think i have a problem?,i have msi trident 3 ,:((

[quick axle]

guys i have problem with bf1

can you help me?

[shell willow]

what?

[quick axle]

the game dont opening

[shell willow]

Gave me more detalis

what is your pc

old or new?

[quick axle]

new

[shell willow]

You have storage?

[quick axle]

155gb

i try everythink