WOAH
#technology
proud trellis
bf1 was fun
fallen harbor
eh
silent hearth
Same
molten coral
I got the best memories from BF4
fallen harbor
bf4 plays the same as bf3 but the maps are different and tbh i hate every map from bf4
it's like comparing bf1 to bfv
they are the same
proud trellis
I got the best memories from BF4
the funniest thing i ever done was get a squad of friends and place loads of C4 under a quad and detonate it all and then send someone flyin
fallen harbor
on different maps
silent hearth
I think bf3 is better. I played 4
proud trellis
bf4 plays the same as bf3 but the maps are different and tbh i hate every map fr...
i only liked golmud railway
silent hearth
I used to put sticky bombs on the moto in bf1 ๐ and let my friend drive it
supple bane
bf1 is more of a war atmosphere, its more gritty. whereas bfv is more of an arcade shooter
and i much prefer bfv
proud trellis
bf1 imo was more fun
molten coral
I've played BF3 for like a few hundred hours but it wasn't that great. When i started playing BF4 I started to get more ''online friends'' and played with them almost daily and do fun stuff.
silent hearth
War atmosphere is ๐ฅ
Everybattelfield should have it
That's what makes it unique
reef jackal
People say bf4 is remastered BF3 but I argue that
molten coral
hopefully the next BF is going to be modern/futuristic again
proud trellis
i wish the stat bot done bf1 stats , i think i had alot of hours on ps4 with bf1
reef jackal
I want BF6 in operation desert storm
proud trellis
ehh
silent hearth
I have 450 +h๐
glossy plinth
I mean now, g-sync isnt that expensive from what ive seen, its pretty cheap af now
reef jackal
storm osprey
REAL gsync has specific hardware
molten coral
Oh right this is the tech channel 
proud trellis
Oh right this is the tech channel <:Kapp:291281374814666753>
was waiting till someone noticed KEK
reef jackal
I was hoping I could .e these and use them on my server
glossy plinth
thats really good, you trolling
proud trellis
what
proud trellis
emojis
reef jackal
Yes
storm osprey
i want my computer paaaaarts
fallen harbor
i want you
storm osprey
...
glossy plinth
๐
latent light
supple bane
good talk, same time next week
storm osprey
i thought you got one? never shipped?
latent light
proud trellis
im not gonna be able to get this refund tbh i dont think @fallen harbor
turbid verge
@storm osprey payment issues due to the black friday, site on friday had stock but was being flooded with payments and the 3rd party comapny that handles it was having issues where people were having their stuff being paid but the site couldnt confirm it because the money was put on hold 
had to talk today with support for a manual refund
storm osprey
jeeeeesus christ
storm osprey
apparently theres a rollable phone...
wet notch
rollable like a newspaper?
wet notch
the way that phone works is actually not bad
i can imagine using that laying in bed or on the couch or something, checking videos and stuff
storm osprey
i wouldnt spend more to have that vs non foldable, but if for some reason it was the same price/specs i would get it
wet notch
I just realized i probably havent typed anything in this channel for like a year
storm osprey
search says you send a message once a month xD
wet notch
not in here tho
i mean its been wayyyy back since i typed anything here
i normally have it hidden
molten bramble
kind of..
Interesting this is just now coming to market, rollable screens were a thing in '99, but the supporting tech wasn't yet minaturized.
That around the same time as OLED technology exploration.
opaque saddle
Hmm... cant tell atm. not everything works fine at this stage. give it a year or two. it seems quite promising to me for the future
i think it runs 3 layers of transcoding (using Rosetta 2) and getting 12-60fps in Team Fortress 2
it isnt even optimised (running raw x86 codes on arm)
storm osprey
afaik xxxx ti usually come soon after 3080, other variants are saved for refreshed/responds
coarse nimbus
Just ask grim to look in the crystal ball and find out the inside info on all of that
jk the real answer is just get a 6800xt
storm osprey
so 3060ti launch tomorrow
proud trellis
rahh
my brother is gonna give me one of his moniters as they are 1080p so i can now game with more fps
coarse nimbus
It's the majority of monitor users
proud trellis
wtf is 1200
glossy plinth
wait theres actually people who play on 720p
proud trellis
i used to play 720 on a moniter when i first had pc
glossy plinth
damn
fallen harbor
wait theres actually people who play on 720p
laptops
glossy plinth
lapt
ps
storm osprey
uhh thats a loaded question
proud trellis
imagine if corsair made a laptop
glossy plinth
if corsair made a laptop
its gonna compete with alienware
2 brands that actually know how to design good stuff is insane
proud trellis
what ... and be shit
storm osprey
4k gaming comes across as having too much money or wasting too much money
proud trellis
alienware laptops are bad imo
glossy plinth
you must be delusional
proud trellis
no
proud trellis
no
fallen harbor
๐
coarse nimbus
It's painfully stupid
merry wagon
Does a i5 9600k need fast ram?
merry wagon
Ok
proud trellis
what does faster ram even do ?
glossy plinth
apparently it affects fps from what ive seen in benchmarks
merry wagon
How do I know what speed my motherboard supports
storm osprey
look up your motherboards manual
merry wagon
Ok
proud trellis
who doesnt use opera these days man
storm osprey
you can change google search results to dark?
glossy plinth
yeah
storm osprey
i think i just download a dark theme for chrome and thats it
glossy plinth
im using dark reader since they added a huge performance boost loading stuff 5x faster
storm osprey
no idea what that is, extension?
glossy plinth
yup
turbid verge
glossy plinth
i gotchu
storm osprey
ehhh, its a bit laggy
coarse nimbus
Your psu just needs more wattage
storm osprey
it just takes like .75 seconds more to load pages
glossy plinth
psu wattage affects loading time?
proud trellis
not rlly much
glossy plinth
wait what
glossy plinth
imagine playing LoL
urban thicket
heh
glossy plinth
they making music now
latent light
Great machine for emulation
RX 6900XT hitting 2800 MHz on air, almost 15% more performance from just overclocking
RX 6000 series GPUs are amazing overclockers
storm osprey
doesnt the MHz oc not translate to fps well though?
proud trellis
as if razer teamed up with asus i think to make a motherboard
coarse nimbus
r5k CPUs dont need to overclock, they come out of the box swole af
chrome skiff
but overclocking does matter?
He gets 10-15% gains synthetically and i believe has a video on the gaming benchmarks too
storm osprey
dont see gaming benchmarks in that video
i dont care if a card hits 4000MHz if it doesnt have a meaninful gaming impact
storm osprey
yea i was just about to link GNs 6800xt review
stock vs oc 6800xt is like 3-5 fps gains
chrome skiff
The card overclocked is still 5% worst case and 18% best case with 10-15% on average. Instead of buying a card at 35% you get a card 45%. Its 4k and scales
3-5 at 4k
its free performance and makes buying gpus for a certain type of person more important. Both of them show gainz across the board so yeah they numbers are there
storm osprey
im not arguing against OCing or not, but this half truth seemingly going on that ryzen 6000 cards are great at OC
which while yea, you can oc the frequencies damn high and get good scores off them, it doesnt directly translate to gaming performance
chrome skiff
4k 60fps 6 fps is 10% so yes i think it does. Again if the cards were marketed at 45% gains people would lose their minds.
that 6 fps turns to 12 at 1440p and then like 20 at 1080p if it were true to scale
storm osprey
at 4k im seeing on average 2fps gains, only at 1440p am i seeing 5fps
coarse nimbus
...damn that would be some impressive 480p gains, think of what kind of FPS i could run on age of empires one 
chrome skiff
Which video? The a2k is showing quite incredible results for 4k
chrome skiff
That came video at 4k horizon is 10 whole frames at 4k
Maybe 10 fps doesnt mean much to you but its gainz non the less
coarse nimbus
gotta get that corvette car cheat code 
coarse nimbus
huh...theyre using a 10700k for that
how much overhead does that PSU have with that system lol
storm osprey
after the rdr2 benchmark it looks like they stopped showing OC comparisons
again, the topic isnt that you shouldnt oc, its that these are not CRAZY GOOD OC for gaming like titles are leading them on to be
supple bane
Oi @storm osprey, since you are the local mouse expert.. what are your thoughts on the new g pro super light wireless
Random topic, ik
chrome skiff
My superlight lasts maybe 40 hours left on nonstop and its too light imo. Im a 90gram+ mouse person
storm osprey
shape still seems average, price is stupid, with model wireless seemingly really good i wonder how many people really need the logitech superlight
chrome skiff
i mean what makes good overclocking? He is getting 300-400 mhz on his overclock vs stock? And the numbers are there too he even at the end of the video 6% on average is huge when talking 4k
storm osprey
when people claim "nvidia is in trouble" because frequency OC have big numbers but the fps between the 2 OC'ed are roughly the same thats misleading
chrome skiff
and again the other guys videos show better results idk maybe the 10700k on pcie 3 limited him. There has been videos showing pcie 4 can benefit certain games by1-4%
storm osprey
pcie 3 vs pcie 4 difference is generally within margin of error
i think a couple of games got more than 2 fps from pcie 3 vs 4
chrome skiff
6 fps being 10% would make 8fps 12%-13% You can say its not meaningful or not good overclockers but again the gains are there synthetically and in gaming. They get good numbers to play with 300+ mhz on core and ingame performance no matter how small it is its over what the card was rated for. My own 6800xt overclocked is about 11% faster then stock in benchmarks and 8% in gaming.
I also only play 1440p which the amd cards may or may not do better then nvidia
storm osprey
at this point i dont think you are comprehending what i am saying
chrome skiff
no to mention even jayztwocents said the smoothness of it while gaining fps was noticeable. I cant tell you how many micro stutters my 3080 has banging off 400 watt power limit
glossy plinth
JAYTW CENTS
storm osprey
i am not saying its not a good oc, im not saying you shouldnt oc, my only topic has been that these clickbait titles that "6000 cards OC like beasts" when they are specifically talking mhz for synthetics is misleading
chrome skiff
You dont like jayz hehe
storm osprey
6800xt vs 3080 at 1440p are probably within 3 fps of eachother on average
chrome skiff
idk about you but my 6800xt overclocks way better then my 3080 at less power draw. I get big oc gains and i get high mhz.
my 3080 is pretty stuck close to its water cooled numbers
storm osprey
GN screenshots i showed above have 3080 OC and 6800xt OC trading top spot though
chrome skiff
well if my 6800xt could draw 400 watts of power i think it would beat my 3080
storm osprey
it looks like the the 3080 has roughly the same fps gains between stock vs OC
proud trellis
fuckin hell , how many pc's do u have
storm osprey
so for just gaming, the oc performance between the two looks to be roughly the same
but hey, those synthetics though
chrome skiff
i guess 25% in power draw and 30% gains doesnt leave you with much overclocking headroom
storm osprey
GN oc power draw
chrome skiff
on what bios
cause thats not a 400 watt bios
you can tell by the 350 watt number'
coarse nimbus
it would be a stock bios..?
chrome skiff
I know i watched it. The small gains you are talking about without overclocking would be the argument. Why draw 60 more watts for 10%
the stock card is obviously capable if overclocking isnt that great
storm osprey
i still dont think you are understanding my point even though ive said it multiple times
and everytime i restate my point you bring up something like "why do you say you shouldnt oc" or "well this one oc is more efficient"
or you just lie and say its 5-10fps gains at 4k when its rare to get over 5 fps gains, or lie and say that 3080 is pulling 400w with no proof then negate when i provide proof it doesnt pull 400w
which again, those arent even my points, i just provided screens since youre changing goal posts and i can watch a video for 5 minutes to show you youre wrong
coarse nimbus
it pulls 400watt when you upload a different bios onto it to unlock the ability to go higher than they shipped it which isnt going to be reflected in "stock OC/stock card" tests
chrome skiff
There are games that have zero benefit from overclocking especially at 4k. Linus did a video showing the power spikes of a 3080 and was the one to say the spikes are what you have to worry about. Idk if the card runs 350watts gaming it still spikes people pc shut off from it. I have an asus 3080 strix with 3 8 pins that averagely spikes to 400 watts
stock asus oc bios
asus doesnt have an evga ludicrious speed bios
thats the stock overclocking bios. My 3080 can blow 750 watt psus all day
storm osprey
pretty sure i saw a link in my tryhard pc building discord talking about 6000 series spikes and them tripping PSUs
but again, this is just a random side point you brought up for seemingly no reason because it has nothing to do with my original point
id look for the article they shared but that would take more time than im wanting to provide on top of what ive already done
your points are also anecdotal and not even proven in your case
chrome skiff
so whats a better overclocker then 3080 or 6800xt what makes the 6800xt not a beast overclocer
storm osprey
youre basically just wanting us to trust you
chrome skiff
cause i see 25% in power draw gaming gains and synthetic gains
I dont care if you trust me
storm osprey
you asking that questions proves again that you are for some reason not understanding my original point
chrome skiff
I just sent you a ups picture of my 3900xt 3080 build
thats peaking at 793 watts
You said it wasnt a beast overclocker
chrome skiff
im not arguing against OCing or not, but this half truth seemingly going on that...
first one and lemme look for the other
storm osprey
while you look for the quote that doesnt exist or either is misinterpreted
and right after that quote i give more context
chrome skiff
But then you only back it up with gns video
storm osprey
its great at oc the frequencies, that doesnt directly correlate to gaming performance
storm osprey
"only back it up with GNs videos"
chrome skiff
Im on a 5950x with pcie 4 i have good gains
storm osprey
because diabetus elitus is a more trusted source than GN
chrome skiff
because you dont care how well they overclock if it doesnt affect gaming as much as youd like it to?
storm osprey
random conclusion drawing again...
chrome skiff
You just had a whole conversation posting fps gains then said oh but the synthetics show its good
storm osprey
for maybe the 5th time, im annoyed by the misleading titles that suggest the good OC frequency/synthetic results mean more than they do for gaming
storm osprey
doesnt the MHz oc not translate to fps well though?
and then you started with trying to say they have 10-15% fps gains at 4k, THATS when i joined on the fps talk because you were wrong
chrome skiff
Overclocking isnt normally about is it worth it. I push for the 100% absolute best performance out of my device. If thats 1fps at 4k and 12% in firestrike boards id say thats pretty good
storm osprey
my topic isnt about if its worth it...
never has been, i think ive said that already though
either way, i gotta get home to feed my dog
๐
chrome skiff
3-5 fps at 4k is 5-9% 6fps at 60 fps is 10% you also said in amd case these overclocks do nothing
but gn is the only reliable source too. This guys 3080 is drawing 387 watts in death stranding but i guess gn is the one and only tech channel we should follow
storm osprey
3 is not 10% of 60
chrome skiff
3 is 5% like i said in scale. 60fps 6 frames is a 10th of the frames
10% or 6 fps in half is
5% or 3 fps
storm osprey
and any 6800xt on a decent platform at 4k is generally getting more than 60 fps..
so that 10-15% claim is more false than my "didnt LITERALLY mean nothing" statement
chrome skiff
I mean der8aure is a world overclocker overclocking on air talking about his gains
its roughly 10%
storm osprey
so we gotta look at a "world overclocker" for your statement to be correct...
chrome skiff
Yeah gn talks to der8auer quite often and references him a lot
infact gn reference d8's testing quite often in a ton of his videos he has been talking to him for years
storm osprey
you missed the point in me pointing out that you need a "world overlcocker" to prove your 10-15% statement
chrome skiff
No i posted a random youtubling but then you said oh we shouldnt trust gn we should trust diabetus sarcastically
His gains were better then gn's too
just like d8's
storm osprey
thats like saying "you can run over 25 mph"
"if youre an olympic caliber runner"
chrome skiff
The other guy isnt a world overclocker but he isnt big enough to matter i guess
not for nyphon atleast
storm osprey
again, random conclusions
for maybe the 6th time, my point is the clickbait titles "amd gpus OC are king" is talking about frequency and synthetics more than for games
everything you have tried to claim i have said for a different topic is completely random and borderline low tier troll effort
nyphon - amd frequency oc doesnt directly translate to games
diabetus take - nyphon says to not oc
glossy plinth
wtf you 2 still going on
chrome skiff
im not arguing against OCing or not, but this half truth seemingly going on that...
but you are. You hold in one statement saying that you dont like click bait titles on 6000 series cards being great for overclock when they are. Then change it to being good for fps in game or worth it. I dont care if its 700mhz or 1 fps. They are great overclockers. You say it doesnt directly translate into gaming but you only see gn's while d8's made his 6800xt beat a 3090 in mins in 1 game. If i was playing that game that overclock would mean a lot more to me. obviously many more people are saying they are good overclockers even if it doesnt help fps much
storm osprey
you opened up with "but you are", and im not reading the rest
chrome skiff
thats fine
storm osprey
i dont care how you twist shit in your head to make you think thats what im saying, ive directly told you multiple times thats not the case
chrome skiff
Whats makes them not good overclockers? your one statement is overclocking then you counter it with saying it doesnt give good fps
Then you only reference gns fps when there are 2 other people showing 10% average
storm osprey
๐คท
if you cant comprehend at this point what ive been saying idk what else to tell you
chrome skiff
You said amd's oc do nothing where you're wrong they do do something. You said if it doesnt have a meaningful impact when even d8's overclocks have quite meaningful impacts. You also reference ryzen 6000 series gpus so idk if you were originally talking about ryzen 5000 series cpus or radeon 6000 series gpus. So Then i prod fps numbers to see it was gpus you were talking about. cause it was only. Saying they dont overclock well because they dont give the exact fps back in power increase is a shallow understanding of what overclocking is. Then i pair pcie into the conversation where again there are quite a few people having better gains on newer amd cpus and mobos. The mins on pcie 4 for quite a few people have been higher. Then You quoted nvidia being in trouble which i can only assume was to jaytwocents because he is in a long list of youtubers that know the value of overclocking. Then you counter it in saying its not much fps wise.
storm osprey
ive said i didnt literally mean nothing. i said the frequency oc doesnt directly corelate to gaming like titles suggest. we did talk about ryzen and 6000 gpus, idk if that has confused you or not. i didnt say they dont overclock well for the x amount of time.
literally every point beyond my initial "frequency oc dont directly corelate to fps" was brought up by you
chrome skiff
See i brought fact to the table for every statement. Actual overclocking there is a list of youtubers explaining why the overclocks are great. I provided people with better fps gains and it wasnt more valid over gn so you shot it down. You say im trying to troll when you tip toe around your own argument. They overclock amazing. Period. They have good gains overclocking period. If gn is you in all and be all then yeah go watch his videos and dont click on click bate titles. What youtube video suggest overclocking means huge gains? Cause you referenced jayztwocents in a quote thats about it
storm osprey
its exhausting goal post changing once i prove your 10-15% claim is a lie, you had to pull what is equivalent to a "pro ocer" to even get "roughly 10%" gains like you claimed earlier
chrome skiff
grim said 6900xt overclock by 15% you said doesnt the mhz oc not translate well into fps. Then said oc's for amd mean nothing. Then said ryzen 5000 cpus
dont mix around your own statements
its in order how you said it
storm osprey
i can mix statements
if they are misinterpreted thats my fault, but you can also ask to clarify instead of going on with lies for the good half of an hour
chrome skiff
Then you counter saying goal post changing when there are gains with fps and benchmarks. Look at d8s video its gains acoss the board
storm osprey
you really dont comprehend...
chrome skiff
No i dont think you know how to have a conversation without being butthurt or acting like its a personal attack.
because i dont agree with you
storm osprey
people see "amd hitting 2700mhz" and think that means nvidias 2000mhz gpus is behind by 30% in fps
thats been my topic this whole time, it doesnt work like that
chrome skiff
they should know that amd and nvidia dont have the same cores. If not its a simple google search
storm osprey
youve brought up maybe 7 other side topics for no reason
storm osprey
they should know that amd and nvidia dont have the same cores. If not its a simp...
with this sentence you FINALLY respond to my topic this whole time AND AGREE
this is literally it, my topic the whole time
i dont care about personal attacks, i dont care what you or anyone that isnt in my personal life thinks about me
chrome skiff
in amds case these OCs do nothing
because of how you made responses. You said oc doesnt mean anything to amd.
storm osprey
ive been frustrated that you seemingly cant understand what im saying and bring up multiple random talking points for no reason
see above
if you have any other point to say, the disconnection is either from me not being clear enough or you not understanding
if youre trying to sit behind that one quote for the 10 times ive said thats not the case idk what to tell you
chrome skiff
That wasnt your topic or if it was you did a funny job of explaining it. you said ocing for amd does nothing
thats where i started
storm osprey
and i have previously said MULTIPLE times i didnt literally mean nothing, and you if actually thought i meant 0 then idk what to tell you
chrome skiff
in fact you said that before you said anything about click bait titles!
storm osprey
what does the order of a discussion have to do with it?
if they are a part of the same topic isnt it only logical that one point HAS to be said before the other?
chrome skiff
How my statements were to react to yours. You just said it was about click bait titles when i replied to your first comment about overclocking
storm osprey
DO i YOU dont WANT want ME to TO TALK LIKE THIS SO THEY ARE AT THE SAME TIME?
to clarify, when i said "OC does nothing" i didnt literally mean nothing, i was more talking about frequency OC not being directly correlated like click bait titles suggest.
to which
we agree
done, you can reply, im not going to
molten bramble
Y'all both need to take a step back and breathe.
chrome skiff
No i still dont think we agree. The whole point of those titles are to look at where amd came from and they actually can compete with nvidia stock and now they overclock very well which is even more or harder competition for nvidia. Its the whole point explaining how well the rx6000 series gpus performed at launch and now overclock. Its a blanket statement. nvidia is going to have problems. All because it overclocks doesnt mean its going to provide generational leaps in performance. But your right, you made it very clear that you needed someone to explain cores vs overclocking
I can drop it. Just like last time
molten bramble
@glossy plinth Do not provoke anything further.
chrome skiff
It definitely depends on the game thats for sure
glossy plinth
only buying nvidia gpu's now since my amd gpu is dogshit
doesnt even run battlefield 3
glossy plinth
5700xt
chrome skiff
have you tried different drivers? cause my 5700xt runs bf3
storm osprey
theres no way a 5700xt doesnt run bf3..
glossy plinth
im running on 20.11.3 driver
i could try different drivers
but im to lazy to do that
storm osprey
idk if 6000 series have stability problems like 5000 had
but i wouldnt swear off a company because of one bad experience
storm osprey
im all about price to performance, idc about brand
glossy plinth
im all about brand
and performance
lik what if you have a really good gpu
but eww you got it from a shitty brand
now you sit there and game knowing you got a gpu from a shitty brand
summer comet
as long as it works, what's the matter?
glossy plinth
the brand
like if im gonna buy something good, it has to be from a decent or good brand
storm osprey
most brands and their products arent OEM though
summer comet
Hey... if a PNY gpu runs BF3 at a good frame rate and was much less than Gigabyte or EVGA, why not?
storm osprey
while thats a factor, with pny i wonder about the quality/durability
at least for an AIB gpu most prices are within 50 bucks for a product too
summer comet
That's always a factor regardless. AN EVGA gpu could crap out really early too, nothing is perfect
coarse nimbus
doesnt pny make the uhh..workstation gpus?
storm osprey
true, everything has a fail rate
you could have objectively the best quality product but it could crap out on you
odd goblet
I vaguely remember the second word
storm osprey
idk what it is, but pny makes gpus too
well i guess more accurately they make gpu coolers
chrome skiff
quadro
coarse nimbus
my friend who bought the 3090 for $1600 said he almost considered getting a pny because they make those other gpus
storm osprey
uhhhh
chrome skiff
wait whats wrong with pny the top 2080ti on firestrike was a pny
storm osprey
i mean that wouldnt be the purchasing decision for me
granted every purchase i do i borderline look at everything and go for best value
coarse nimbus
idk if it was a 3080 he was talking about..but a 3090 came up on a stock drop discord and he grabbed it 
storm osprey
๐คท
everyime i do research pny seem to be decent
im talking the 4 times ive bought a gpu research
storm osprey
idk if it was a 3080 he was talking about..but a 3090 came up on a stock drop di...
so what did he end up getting? a 3080 or 3090? pny or not?
coarse nimbus
FE 3090
lofty light
My brother managed to find a 3070 in stock which is pretty insane for here
summer comet
I've been itching to get off my 10-series card but I'll just wait a little longer it seems
lofty light
Yeah I've got a 1060 in my VR machine and I've been eyeing off new headsets but can't use that for them 
Thinking of swapping it out and using the 1060 in an eGPU enclosure
storm osprey
i was disappointed when i plugged in my 3080 and got basically no performance gains
lofty light
CPU bottleneck?
storm osprey
im sure thats part of it, but something just seems off
i have a 4790, and my friend has a 6700, he saw huge gains
4790 to 6700 is not a huge jump, so theres no reason i shouldnt have seen gains
i got black friday/cybermonday hauls coming in to just upgrade everything
so hopefully its not my 3080 xD
(which i dont think it is because i put it in a friends build and saw huge gains there too)
i also googled people with similar builds and what performance they were getting and i was getting noticeably less
glossy plinth
@storm osprey
glossy plinth
when should i change my aio
storm osprey
like.. do you want me to list all the potential reasons?
glossy plinth
nah
storm osprey
if thermals are bad, apply new paste, if that doesnt help, get a new AIO
assuming other parts are not bad of course
outside of that i would keep using a pump as long as nothing gets loud and/or hot
glossy plinth
storm osprey
Obviously no leaks.
ashen ether
chrome skiff
welp my g pro x super light is already doubling clicking in less then 72 hours so id say top notch mouse 10/10. they want a destruction video to replace it so when I broke it I found out its the same switches as the old mice, or atleast this one was
chrome skiff
no I got mine early but its like a common issue having logitech mice double click well for the g502 hero+ it was so they sent me a new one instantly they just now require a destruction video of the mouse for the warranty
all thevissue they did have with it and they didn't put better switches in it is kind of a big disappointment
lofty light
I've not had the double clicking issue with my logis, just side buttons not working and the scroll wheel button
chrome skiff
Huh I mean still an issue but with this being brand new like they hit stores tomorrow and they still have issues just seems wild. My original 502 from 6 or 7 years ago the core is still running strong
I had 2 16k hero 502s with the clicking issues. I modded gateron switches onto the one and it workings just like new and the other is in my closest because I don't wanna go through the warranty process
I never personally owned a corsair mouse but I heard they also have quite the list of issues
mild siren
I used hero for a while and pretty surprisingly didnโt encounter the double click issue
storm osprey
yea i had the original g pro last me like 4 years, and now im using a g203 for work and havent had problems
storm osprey
i wish i didnt have a gsync monitor
glossy plinth
wanna trade monitors
storm osprey
uhhh unlikely
hardy storm
Im going back to CRT
storm osprey
ehh, i already have a 3080 so its a bit late
supple bane
i have a hard time believing that
glossy plinth
do a cyberpunk benchmark
supple bane
if the geforce overlay and HWinfo is anything to go off, my overclocked 2070 is drawing 180w
latent light
@supple bane it's 100% true
storm osprey
if the geforce overlay and HWinfo is anything to go off, my overclocked 2070 is ...
total system power draw
supple bane
ahh
latent light
6800XT draws around 40 watts less than the 3080 based on average power consumption
storm osprey
40 watts is like... not a lot though right?
supple bane
when its already at 400-500w, no
storm osprey
iirc 100 watts is like 1 penny an hour
and price difference between a 500 to 550w psu would likely be around 10 bucks
supple bane
my pc would just shut off if i tried to play bfv at ultra if my gpu was drawing 300w lol
320w from gpu, 80w from cpu. 100w ish from the rest of the components. thats 500w. on a 550w psu
storm osprey
what monitor is that?
hardy storm
Ody G9
supple bane
fancy
hardy storm
tbf its 2 monitors at 150w so thats ntb
my old and battered 1080 non Ti makes it hard to play quite a few games right now
molten coral
There isn't even a GPU that could do 4k on that aspect ratio
molten coral
5120x1440
opaque saddle
sli is gone
urban thicket
sli?
glossy plinth
sli is gone?
molten coral
Yeah
supple bane
ah its slightly lower res than 4k then
urban thicket
half the verticle pixels
molten coral
man why they gotta ruin everything
Cuz it isn't worth it to have devs do extra work for 0,3% of the people that use sli
glossy plinth
supple bane
based on your 1500w psu for a 5700xt, i assume you would probably go for an sli setup? 
storm osprey
sli still works on 3090
hardy storm
3090 will run my Ody G9 at 1440p 100+ fps with HDR no problem.
240hz? maybe. 120hz? ya
But right now in BFV, with my 1080 @1440p I get 45fps lol
I am currently playing it in 1080p just so its playable.
storm osprey
what settings? my 1080 at 1440p would get 90-100 fps on all low
storm osprey
ahh ok nvm
i think my cpu hasnt even shipped yet...
i want this before cyberpunk...
molten coral
I want a 3080
storm osprey
....
glossy plinth
3 8
storm osprey
for what?!
glossy plinth
more fps obviously
molten coral
^
glossy plinth
and to flex aswell
molten coral
I barely hit 60 FPS in some games lol
storm osprey
doesnt runescape have fixed fps
molten coral
I haven't played runescape in months 
supple bane
he needs all dat among us fps
storm osprey
o yea its been destiny
hardy storm
buys 49" ultra wide
plays Rimworld and Ultima Online
molten coral
Buy 49'' ultra wide
Plays Old school runescape and minesweeper
glossy plinth
@storm osprey how do i use clean my keyboard in a washing machine
its getting real dusty
storm osprey
you dont...
glossy plinth
i meant in a dishwasher
hardy storm
omg minesweeper in 5120 is it even possible? brb ๐
glossy plinth
not washing machine
storm osprey
you dont still
glossy plinth
but LTT said you can
storm osprey
link?
hardy storm
please dont clean your kb in a washing machine or dishwasher. I used to do it all the time, but that was back when kb's had plastic membranes covering everything. Mechanical kbs do not have that anymore.
hardy storm
right. theoretically you can drop any electronics in water (if powered off) and wait for a very long time for them to dry, and they should be just fine.
theoretically..
supple bane
@storm osprey arent you the one arguing that anything over 8gb of ram isnt needed yet?
molten coral
I wouldn't do it personally
storm osprey
ram? no
supple bane
Vram sorry
storm osprey
ive always said 16gb is the gold standard
molten coral
Also Linus doesn't care if it dies, he has enough resources to get a new one.
glossy plinth
he said just wait a week to dry
supple bane
MSFS2020 using 100% gpu, 100% vram, 100% ram and 100% of core one on cpu
storm osprey
i mean, thats MSFS
storm osprey
what gpu and what settings?
hardy storm
MSFS will currently us up to 20GB VRAM or more, depending on settings and assets
supple bane
2070, 1440p high/epic
hardy storm
its a bit of a one off
hardy storm
I only wish the new 3000s had more VRAM.. Not for gaming, even the 3090 is overkill. But for tensorflow AI data, I NEED IT.
storm osprey
like i know there are games that use more than 10gb at 4k
but those are outliers
my comments about vram are mostly around people claiming X amount of vram is a rip off, when its not
hardy storm
yep all depends what youre using it for.
supple bane
true, my point was more future proofing i guess
if this is the way video games are going, 8gb isnt going to be enough on a brand new gpu
glossy plinth
granty is right
molten coral
Will there be a bottleneck with a 8700k and 3080? 
storm osprey
future proofing is always a kind of weak argument since theres no fixed timeline imo
glossy plinth
i hope my r7 3700x doesnt bottleneck with a 3070
storm osprey
Will there be a bottleneck with a 8700k and 3080? <:PES_Think:493353112321392640...
at 1440p i think theres technically a bottleneck with any cpu
supple bane
Will there be a bottleneck with a 8700k and 3080? <:PES_Think:493353112321392640...
bfv yes, graphical games probably not
molten coral
I play at 3840 x 1080
supple bane
doesnt matter lol
molten coral
oh ok
supple bane
for bfv at least
storm osprey
i wouldnt upgrade from an 8700k personally
supple bane
things like tomb raider would be fine
hardy storm
download some more ram too
storm osprey
not ram
molten coral
Eh for Ryzen i'll need better ram
storm osprey
what do you have now?
glossy plinth
holy shit 90%
molten coral
My ram is 3200mhz, best would be 3600
glossy plinth
isnt 3600 ryzen's sweet spot
molten coral
yes
glossy plinth
storm osprey
its the sweet spot but its also not really worth buying new ram for imo
glossy plinth
its worth if you have a ryzen cpu
molten coral
tbh I will probably wait for DDR5
storm osprey
i can imagine 3200 vs 3600 being more than a 10 fps gain
idk if that worth buying a whole new kit of ram
molten coral
but mooore fps
glossy plinth
171 fps and a 185 fps is a huge difference nyphon
storm osprey
171 to 185 isnt worth buying a new kit
glossy plinth
ryzen 5 5000 cpu is as strong as my 3700x
storm osprey
i was gonna try to wait till ddr5 but i needed and upgrade now
glossy plinth
storm osprey
and ryzen 5600x is definitely stronger than 3700x
molten coral
Isn't DDR5 releasing next year?
glossy plinth
i need alotta upgrades
storm osprey
only time a 3700x will even match is at higher resolutions or games that scale off core count
glossy plinth
1080p for life
storm osprey
well for 1080p the 5600x murders a 3700x
urban thicket
crazy
proud trellis
hi
proud verge
For gaming***
storm osprey
sup rock
proud trellis
bye
proud trellis
ngl i felt like doom then with his little convo ๐คฃ
storm osprey
are you but an imitation
it looks like 5600x at 1080p averages like 20fps gains over 3700x with a 2080ti
glossy plinth
im expecting since the new ryzen cpu's
fps are doubled
im expecting league's fps to also increase
proud verge
I heard the stock cooler for the 5 5600x is really bad
proud verge
Not bad enough to throttle i guess, unless you OC it
storm osprey
Itโs the low tier cooler from last gen. Itโs fine for stock.
storm osprey
wraith stealth
proud verge
It's so cheap
Would you reccomend getting a better one?
Im not into water coolers, i'd rather stick with air coolers
glossy plinth
!!Nyphon
storm osprey
iirc youre not going to get much out of 5000 series with a better cooler/oc other than thermal and MAYBE acoustics
i personally wouldnt spend more than 60 bucks on a cooler for a 5600x, which at that price i would go scythe fuma 2
glossy plinth
dont you use an aio?
storm osprey
i have an aio for a 10700kf
storm osprey
for 10700kf you basically need something like a dark rock pro, nhd15 or 240mm aio
proud trellis
lol what
storm osprey
id really look into how much you can gain from oc/pbo over stock cooler and what is needed
glossy plinth
turning pbo off is like you asking to cut off your 2 legs
latent light
@storm osprey 5600X should come with Wraith prism imo especially since it's a $300 Ryzen 5 part
storm osprey
yea people were kinda pissed with that, especially considering the price hike
AMD turned in their good guy card with the 5000 cpu release
glossy plinth
@storm osprey mr orange cat
still ravine
Im having trouble with my inputs not working
storm osprey
Hades
storm osprey
Im having trouble with my inputs not working
in general? only a specific game?
still ravine
bf 3, it is not detecting any of my mouse inputs (move/buttons) but only when in game not in menus
@storm osprey
storm osprey
i wouldnt know any direct fixes, basically verify files, reinstall the game, and to the furthest extent format drive and reinstall
still ravine
ok
glossy plinth
@storm osprey mr orange cat wanna play 7 days to die
storm osprey
probably not
opal cliff
Just curious what would be a solid 1080p build but is also a little bit future proof?
storm osprey
Depends if you want used or new.
opal cliff
New
supple bane
3060ti + 5600x
strong breach
The feeling when the asus strix OC 3060ti is almost as expensive right now as the original 3080 price was at 699usd
fallen harbor
hey cuties
turbid verge
@strong breach Strix and Aorus prices in a nutshell
opal cliff
This may be a dumb question but since the console CPUโs have 8c/16t will I need a 8c/16t cpu at the minimum to play future games?
fallen harbor
no
depends on how far your definition of โfutureโ entails (i assume you mean 7 years which is the lifespan of consoles in general) and to what settings you want to play such games (60fps, 120fps, 144fps, 720p, 1080p, 2k, 4k)
right now 8c16t is meant for either 4k or 144fps. Which means in 7 years 8c16t will probably be for 1080p and 60fps
but its hard to predict 7 years in the future anyway
fallen harbor
if you have 6c today, thats pretty good for 60fps and 1080p for a long time yet
opal cliff
Okay well I still have a 4 core cpu but just wanted to ev sure the 6c/12t cpu would be good for 1080 p for a while
Be
fallen harbor
even 4c is still decent
opal cliff
Yeah itโs a 4 core 4 thread cpu
fallen harbor
if you have a quad core with an speed that reaches close to 4ghz its pretty good for 60fps/1080p
opal cliff
I always worry about my cpu because I keep seeing everyone saying that is dying
fallen harbor
which is it
fallen harbor
in today standards, 4c is entry level gaming, but its still decent for gaming as it implies
4c4t has been the standard for almost a decade because of intelโs monopoly until amd created ryzen and turned the tables and now the standards have risen up a lot and fast
so the sweet spot now is 6t12c and its not even that hard to get 8c16t if youre from a developed country
my sister plays on an i7 3770 which is a model that cane out in 2011 and has 4c8t and its still good enough for 60fps and 1080p in almost any modern game
get a new cpu only if you really feel its limiting your performance and wont let you reach the 60fps and 1080p that you want
and if you decide to get a new one and dont plan on getting 144fps or 4k, then just get a 6c12t cpu
the best options for that are probably ryzen 5 3600 or ryzen 5 5600 or i5 10400f i think
make sure to know what is limiting your performance first though
some people upgrade their cpus when they shouldve upgraded their gpu instead
if you have a 750ti for instance you could get a 1050ti and get a relatively significant boost without needing to upgrade your cpu
it wont make a big difference if you get a ryzen 5 5600 and still use a 750ti on it
fallen harbor
i feel lonely
fallen harbor
go to the windows search bar and type "dxdiag"
and open the result, which is a blue icon with a yellow cross
it will ask you to run an analytics or smthn, it will only take few seconds
and a screen will display telling you all the specs of your pc
lemme know if that helped
slate nacelle
it does help
thanks man
so uhh
my cpu has
4c
and i can run bf 5
barely
is that like
normal
slate nacelle
i3 4150
fallen harbor
is it a laptop
slate nacelle
somehow its a pc
slate nacelle
oh
fallen harbor
you could technically run bfv yeah
maybe itll be hard to reach 60fps but you could probably get like 50 on low settings
depends on your video card too
slate nacelle
1050ti
fallen harbor
which video card do you have?
ah
yeah you can run bfv
not super smoothly, but you can
should be playable
fallen harbor
also approximately 15% of your 1050ti isn't being used because your cpu is too weak for it
so it's bottlenecking
the 1050ti is fine
it's your cpu which is the weakest part
fallen harbor
and battlefield games tend to be more cpu demanding than other games
no problem bro
slate nacelle
you increased my brain size
fallen harbor
you can ask me anything
fallen harbor
for gaming?
fallen harbor
probably i3 9100f
fallen harbor
your i3 came out in 2014 and is way worse than the more modern i3 9100f
i3 4150 has 2 cores and 4 threads and a max speed of 3,50ghz
i3 9100f has 4 cores and 4 threads and a max speed of 4,20ghz
fallen harbor
"i3" doesnt mean much, what is more important is the number after it
4150 means it's from the fourth generation of i3s
9100f means it's from the ninth generation
all i3's aren't the same
the same way all i5 or i7 or i9s arent
in fact
the i3 9100f is better than the i7 7700
slate nacelle
huh....
fallen harbor
the i7 7700 is older
if you dont want intel
you can get ryzen 3 3100
it has 4 cores, 8 threads and a max speed of 3,90ghz
ryzen 3 3100 and i3 9100f are really the most recommendable budget gaming cpus nowadays
if you didn't have a video card i could recommend getting a ryzen 5 3400g instead
since it has powerful integrated graphics
slate nacelle
what about r5 1400
fallen harbor
i wouldnt recommend any ryzen 5 below the 1600
fallen harbor
no, all ryzen cpus are kinda meant for gaming or design
but not all of them are equally worth it
fallen harbor
it depends on the country and other factors
but it's also an old model
and old models dont tend to be much cheaper than newer models
if you can find a ryzen 5 1400 for MUCH cheaper than a ryzen 5 3600 like ridiculously cheap then yeah i guess
but id rather get a ryzen 3 3100
or an i3 9100f
opaque saddle
if you dont follow the tech news, usually the newer the better
i meant usually, doesnt mean its always true
slate nacelle
well then my brother's pc is just not worth it
fallen harbor
your brothers pc is the one with the i3 4150 and 1050ti?
slate nacelle
r5 1400 + GT 1030
fallen harbor
oh
opaque saddle
i wouldnt use the words, "not worth it"
slate nacelle
mines i3 4150 + 1050 ti
fallen harbor
yeah your brother's pc has a better processor than yours, but a way worse gpu than yours, so in the end it's worse than your pc
opaque saddle
coz depending on your budget, not everyone can afford high end computers
slate nacelle
coz depending on your budget, not everyone can afford high end computers
well... yea
opaque saddle
i think ando have something more to say
fallen harbor
itd make more sense for the i3 4150 to be paired with the 1030 and the ryzen 5 1400 with the 1050ti
that way there would be close to no bottleneck for both pcs
opaque saddle
but i guess what i will say is, your brother's computer is barely capable to run modern AAA titles
slate nacelle
but i guess what i will say is, your brother's computer is barely capable to run...
wdym
opaque saddle
if you asked for gaming
slate nacelle
itd make more sense for the i3 4150 to be paired with the 1030 and the ryzen 5 1...
definitely aint trading my graphics to him
fallen harbor
what you should trade is the cpu, not the graphics
he gives you his cpu and you give him yours
if he doesnt mind
ofc
it wouldnt make a big change for him, but it would for you
the gt1030 card is very basic really
it almost doesnt matter if it's paired with an i3 4150 or a ryzen 5 1400
but it does matter if an 1050ti is paired with an i3 4150 or a ryzen 5 1400, because the former will bottleneck it
if your brother is cool and doesnt mind it too much, id recommend exchanging cpus
if there's no way to do that, then i'd buy an i3 9100f, or a ryzen 3 3100
slate nacelle
nah
he stole my kitkat bar yesterday because i dont go outside and he did
so he will definitely mind
fallen harbor
i see
remember to look in youtube for benchmark tests
so you can know how good your pc will be after you upgrade it
there are results for almost anything
type "i3 9100f gtx1050ti battlefield v"
and look at the results
or "ryzen 3 3100 gtx1050ti battlefield v"
or whatever
a lot of people upgrade before doing this, and without knowing too much about hardware capabilities and end up having something worse than what they wanted
if you dont like the performance of ryzen 3 3100 and i3 9100f, then start looking for "ryzen 5 3600 gtx1050ti battlefield v" results
or "i5 10400f gtx1050ti battlefield v"
etc
slate nacelle
alright
prime jasper
How is it possible that a semi-auto clone of battle rifle is also a battle rifle, but a semi auto clone of assault rifle is not an assault rifle?
fallen harbor
wrong channel
actually im not sure if its wrong channel
i always assumed this was a hardware type of technology channel but its not specified in the description so idk
anyway, idk what a "battle rifle" is
slate nacelle
anyway, idk what a "battle rifle" is
in these days those r the 7.62 rifles, as far as i knoe
fallen harbor
i know close to nothing about guns
no idea what a 7.62 rifle is
i dont wanna know either so i dont mind
slate nacelle
heh
short explanation
7.62 mm is a caliber
if the number is bigger
its
stronk
fallen harbor
oic
storm osprey
3060ti + 5600x
thats definitely waaaaaay more than a solid 1080p, thats a respectable 1440p machine
fallen harbor
doesnt it depend on the frame rate
sounds like itd be nice for 1080p and 120hz or 144hz
storm osprey
a 3060ti and 5600x are better than the specs i had when i used a 1440p 144hz monitor
yes i had to turn things low to get 100+ fps, but still
let me rephrase, a 3060ti and 5600x are WAY better than the specs i used at 1440p 144hz
fallen harbor
look it's the soul of cinder
glossy plinth
hello ando
storm osprey
howdy water
glossy plinth
yo nyphon
whys the 1060 6gb reccomened for 1080high for cyberpunk
dont you think that gpu is a bit to weak for that game
fallen harbor
recommended settings are rarely accurate
glossy plinth
fallen harbor
the 1060 is still a decent gpu, but not the recommended for 60fps of modern demanding games
storm osprey
60 fps?
coarse nimbus
The game is so welly optimized it's crazy
storm osprey
thats my point
coarse nimbus
And also cyberpunk devs don't want people to know their PC can't run it looking amazing
fallen harbor
it depends on what the developers meant by "recommended", as in recommended for what? we dont know
glossy plinth
cyberpunk is DX12 right? or vulkan
fallen harbor
it depends on what they think the game is recommended to be played at
glossy plinth
i be seeing alotta driver updates for vulkan support for 5700xt
urban thicket
750ti's in crossfire
fallen harbor
plus the 1060 isnt even manufactured anymore so its weird that they suggest it
coarse nimbus
There's a reason they only showed the game played on a high-end pc for months..and finally showed PS4 gameplay recently
fallen harbor
the recommended for 60fps and 1080p will probably be any modern 6 core cpu (or a very fast 4 core one) and gtx1660 or rx5500xt or anything along those lines
im almost sure the 6gb gtx1060 will be capable of 60fps in medium settings if you have a nice 6c processor
or gtx970
glossy plinth
980ti
fallen harbor
you have a 980ti?
glossy plinth
i wanna switch to nvidia cause this gpu is pure horseshit
glossy plinth
drivers
glossy plinth
in dm?
fallen harbor
wherever
glossy plinth
and sometimes my computer's resolution doesnt even startup 1080p
its like some weirdass low resolution
fallen harbor
hmm all of this is very weird
storm osprey
throw it away to me please
glossy plinth
man wants a gpu with the most shittiest drivers
man if you experienced what i went through with this gpu, you wouldnt even want it
storm osprey
i mean its free
glossy plinth
thats equivalent to asking for dirt
glossy plinth
i mean like you can have it when i get my 3070
dont blame me if you get mad with all the errors
storm osprey
lol i wont
glossy plinth
alrighty then