technology

[brave sundial]

9th is current

[radiant grove]

RT is pretty pointless most of the times, you get like max 5% better visuals, but with 50% less performance xD

[coarse nimbus]

yeah but its not good

[brave sundial]

[molten flame]

which is pretty much the whole point of upscaling

[pale quartz]

it's not

multiplayer games yes typically but it's a staple of current generation titles

[radiant grove]

I really dont like the current meta of game development when it comes to opitimizing of Native performance

a lot of devs pick the lazy way with AI upscaling...

[pale quartz]

yes and a lot don't too

IJ is a full path traced game with every quality setting possible and runs fine at native

split fiction a coop title runs flawlessly etc

[radiant grove]

well on coops and single players I find AI upscaling and Frame gen to be more useful, then its slower paced games, but high paced multiplayer FPS it really doesnt work well...

it makes it look worse

[pale quartz]

no it doesn't

DLSS fixes awful TAA implementations

e.g. in 2042 or marvel rivals and improves AA massively

[radiant grove]

well the DLSS I used was on 3080, its the older version, but now I mainly use FSR, it just looks and feels better

[pale quartz]

uh yeah it definitely won't now lol

the DLSS 4 transformer model is strictly better than fsr 4 for 80% of situations

[radiant grove]

too bad its not open source, and it doesnt work on all hardware except for Nvidia's

[pale quartz]

neither does fsr 4?

it's rdna 4 exclusive

[radiant grove]

FSR works on all though, but Im on RDNA 3

[pale quartz]

no it doesn't dude

fsr 3 does

you can't run fsr 4 it's exclusive to rdna4

[radiant grove]

but I have a feeling AMD will make the next one open source again, they always had great support for that

[pale quartz]

have you not paid attention to amd's driver notes?

AMD Fidelity™ FX Super Resolution 4 (AMD FSR 4)
Support is exclusively on AMD Radeon™ RX 9070 Series graphics cards.

RIS 2 is rdna4 exclusive too

[radiant grove]

RIS2?

[pale quartz]

Radeon image scaling 2

[radiant grove]

ah

[toxic wigeon]

I know I had ddu software before but I can't remember what I specifically used.

It's so annoying.

[pale quartz]

?

[radiant grove]

is it this https://www.guru3d.com/download/display-driver-uninstaller-download/ ?

thats the most commonly used DDU

[toxic wigeon]

I over thought what I needed like usual. Sorry about that.

What makes reflex 2 better by the way?

I didn't mean to break the convo

[pale quartz]

it uses frame warping

but it's not compatible with frame generation (currently)

it more or less single handedly eliminates input delay between click to screen time

it's kind of funny that rdna4 is such an uplift in architecture than rdna3 cards will be the worst aging generation ever in 5 years

[radiant grove]

5 years is enough time to use RDNA3 ^^

usually I upgrade after 5 years

[pale quartz]

it won't last 5y

RT performance is awful and it can't encode av1 properly at 1080p

[radiant grove]

I can live without RT

it'll last 5 years for me

[pale quartz]

good luck with that if you want to play any decent modern title

RT is becoming a mandatory minimum (already is)

[radiant grove]

not for the games I play.

I mainly play arma reforger and Arma 3

there's no RT on those

[pale quartz]

sure they'll last 20 years

small contingent though

[radiant grove]

besides arma 4 is coming out 2027

RT will still be optional, knowing bohemia devs...

but that's a simulator, its different

[spring sapphire]

100%

I only play multi-player/fps games my self

[molten flame]

FSR 4 will never be supported by RDNA 3/3.5 or Nvidia/Intel because it requires RDNA4 specific hardware

it will never be made compatible for previous gens

[pale quartz]

not the case

FSR4 is trained on FP8 WMMA, this has existed on Nvidia GPUs since ampere

so it's entirely possible for it to be compatible with those and newer generations, just not previous AMD cards

[molten flame]

that would be interesting to see FSR 4 used with Nvidia

[quick locust]

Since 2K is 1080p its a good place for it

[quick locust]

Imagine having good AA in bf 2042

[quick locust]

The one awesome thing Xbox does.

[molten flame]

https://xfixup.com/photonsnpixels/status/1902123177121292411

Nvidia using 3D silicon now

https://x.com/NVIDIAAIDev/status/1902068372608852304

NVIDIA AI Developer (@NVIDIAAIDev) on X

🎉 NVIDIA has achieved the world’s fastest DeepSeek-R1 inference.

👀 A single system with eight Blackwell GPUs in an NVL8 configuration delivers 253 TPS/user or 30K TPS system throughput on the full DeepSeek-R1 671B parameter model.

#GTC25 ➡️ https://t.co/wYL7cswEIN

X · Mar 18, 2025, 6:43 PM

insane

but ѕраmmіng Mас ѕtudіоѕ mіght bе сhеареr thо, $10,000 fоr оnе thаt саn run thіѕ dеерѕееk mоdеl аt 20 tоkеnѕ/ѕесоnd

[upper remnant]

somebody knows why it showing me in ally of my games that im level zero and habe zero progress for unlocking new weapons? In Battlefield 1 and im Ps5

[brave sundial]

how much for a h100 again?

It's like double that right

I know they're obviously not comparable but the new mac studio indeed looks like it's good value in that aspect

[quaint kestrel]

Its nice that they make these but

How will you press buttons on it if you play with your feet

[toxic wigeon]

This thing is so big

[iron lantern]

dude..

[molten flame]

also more efficient

so saves money in electricity cost too

[jolly wyvern]

No GPU bracket sir toes ?

[toxic wigeon]

I'm gonna have to buy one

[brave sundial]

damn it beat me to it with that joke

[ivory creek]

i keep getting a script error every time the nvidia app updates

but it seem to update anyway

is this normal?

i think it has been happening since windows updated their methods of controlling security in the system

[midnight crypt]

It's the normal Nvidia quality experience

[ivory creek]

i just ordered an Endgame gear OP1 8K mouse since my steelseries rival 310 broke

will come tomorrow

its supposed to be the mouse with the least latency according to rtings

its 8k polling tho, i will have to lower it to not get hiccups

lol

[willow schooner]

8K polling, RIP your CPU

8K polling doesnt work very well

[ivory creek]

ye both my keyboard and mouse will be 8k polling lol

[willow schooner]

you basically dont need anything past 1k

[ivory creek]

i had to set my keyboard to 2k polling to not get hiccups

[willow schooner]

Yeah, these 8K products are pure snake oil

They cant even be computed

[ivory creek]

btw ive been thinking about something, it say that my gpu has shared memory from my system. but since its a 3090 with 24gb vram do i really need that? or can i reduce it to zero?

[quick locust]

Just have PS/2 mouse and keyboard, interrupt ftw

[willow schooner]

Shared memory is required, as data needs to be coppied from CPU to GPU to CPU...that shared memory acts like a buffer. Desktop memory is not unified.

[ivory creek]

aight

[sick vessel]

battlefield 1 closes on startup, any solutions? ive tried everything it feels like and it just refuses to work

[molten flame]

it pales in comparison to the CPU cooler though lol

that CPU heatsink is a literal cube

[toxic wigeon]

That's the funniest fucking part

Like

CUBE

And BRICK

I need a GPU mount

[molten flame]

mounts are mandatory

or just have PC flat on its back like this

[brave sundial]

no need for any mounts or cases, just have everything plugged in together on a non-conductive surface

[brave sundial]

that's what I said. reputable company over pure specs

[turbid verge]

nice foot

[molten flame]

[high quest]

Can we please have a destructible dome building at a focal point in one of the new maps..It can’t be a mosque, because it’s unethical. The mono-phone can’t have the call to prayer but, it can be something cool. -good idea (@DICE)

[coarse nimbus]

bro is lost, doesnt know what channel hes in

[coarse nimbus]

my warranty drive in shipping limbo ..going well

[brave sundial]

maybe it wants to take the scenic route in shipping

[small zinc]

Just because you arrange a turd on a plate differently doesn’t mean it’s different.

[toxic wigeon]

Holy shit this 5080 is efficient.

I went from 350 watts on my Gigabyte 3080 to just merely 230 on 2042 with my graphics config.

[ivory creek]

Just picked up my endgame gear mouse, took the store i bought it from less than a day to ship it here. Nice

[ivory creek]

ive set both my mouse and my keyboard on 2k polling each

that wont hurt a 5800x3ds performance, right?

[midnight crypt]

It probably will

[ivory creek]

damn

they both can do 8k polling but i thought 2k was low enough

i got random stutters in some games when i had my keyboard on 8k polling

i havent noticed any of that so far tho

[small zinc]

Microcenter has Granite Ridge CPU's in stock

aka

9950x3d's

[brave sundial]

https://techcrunch.com/2025/03/19/eu-sends-apple-first-dma-interoperability-instructions-for-apps-and-connected-devices/

EU as always being based

if this goes into effect I might get a macbook, means I get a good experience without being deep in the ecosystem

[ivory creek]

am i the onlyone annoyed how EU try to force the free market too much?

[brave sundial]

tl;dr: they want apple to break up their ecosystem

Let third parties use their propeitary standard bs

[brave sundial]

nah let them fight each other like vultures, only benefits us in the end

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-letthemfight-fight-gif-20293916

[ivory creek]

or is it called open market? my english is far from perfect

[midnight crypt]

Each company creating their own closed garden sucks

[brave sundial]

fr, airdrop being open to everyone only benefits us - the consumer

[midnight crypt]

im glad they're forcing crapple to do something outside their garden

[brave sundial]

I sort of fear Apple lobbying hard in the US to get them to pressure the EU not to go through with it though

Let's just say I fear that more now than I did a year ago.. if you know what I mean.

[ivory creek]

so we got something to bargain with

lol

[brave sundial]

[wet notch]

what should we get for the eggs?

[brave sundial]

freedom?

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-max0r-afford-maxor-senator-bs-gif-26161746

[pale quartz]

what?

what the EU is doing here isn't anti, it's promoting the free competition of trade

[ivory creek]

yeah im aware but they still force new standards upon apple etc which could slow down evolvement and new thinking

[pale quartz]

uh no

because what apple do isn't about innovation, it's about profit lol

tech companies don't exist for innovation, they exist to make money

besides, what this is doing is promoting competition, because app stores are closed wall ecosystems where developers are the ones who lose to the benefit of apple/google

interoperability is about working across other things

[brave sundial]

exactly

alot more options for the consumer too

[ivory creek]

i just dont like the idea of a government forcing standards upon the market, but that could just be me

[pale quartz]

I'll put it in simple terms

[brave sundial]

you would prefer apple still selling iphones with lightning in 2025?

[pale quartz]

if you're against this, you're in favour of tech corporate monopolies

[brave sundial]

or making it hell for you to install an app that's not from their extremely locked down app store

seriously, apple make some really good hardware but despite that, they turn me, and many others off heavily from their greedy philosophy they employ on said products

how is it a bad thing they're opening up?

[pale quartz]

don't be surprised when apple mysteriously jacks up the price of their phones or removes apps you like because they have the power to

[brave sundial]

or pushes an update to make non-apple wireless audio products sound shit

[ivory creek]

yeah i guess you guys are right, i just like the idea of an open market where creative minds can florish

[pale quartz]

that's not how this works

the app market is not a open market, it's a closed duopoly

[brave sundial]

this literally pushes for more creativity though

[pale quartz]

apple and Google are the sole gatekeepers to billions of apps on phones, there's no open control

[brave sundial]

Apple can't just sit on proprietary standards now and lock out the competition from competing

they actually have to now... offer a good product with value against competition that now have an even playing field

[pale quartz]

oh they definitely can and will

[brave sundial]

do you mean my first point?

because yeah they've been doing that for the past 2 decades

[pale quartz]

yeah

they've done it before they'll do it again

[brave sundial]

I don't understand how you can be against this

[ivory creek]

nah just the idea of too much government control of the market is a bad idea, but if it favors an open market i guess thats good. im very tired, nvm me

[brave sundial]

I mean we all have a live case study of an environment where there's little to no government oversight and regulation on corpos going wild...

it's a nation that is commonly shortened to 3 letters...

certainly isn't turning out well for them there

I mean.. atleast from what I can observe

[coarse nimbus]

as if your country is all sunshine and roses right now

[small zinc]

That's not true at all. COMPLETELY incorrect. The part about making money is true because every business is in business for a reason. But Apple is hands down one of THE most innovative tech companies on the planet.

The iPhone in 2007 being the first "smart phone". Wearables, ipad and Apple's focus on user experiences and design.

One could argue that everything Apple makes is born from something else. Hell the Mcintosh in 1984 was really born from Xerox. But what Apple excels at arguably better than anyone else is design.

[pale quartz]

.. ok?

[small zinc]

Your statements sometimes bro....

[pale quartz]

this is about the app store?

[small zinc]

Do you proof read them at all?

[pale quartz]

..

[small zinc]

Merely responding to the thing YOU said.

Which was only partially true.

[pale quartz]

k

[small zinc]

The rest of it. Couldn't be more incorrect.

[vernal pendant]

so... instead of never innovating, they just haven't innovated in almost 20 years

very battlefield of them

[willow schooner]

Noone said they dont innovate either, this person simply is dumb

They said they dont innovate for any reason other than for profit/to extend their control

[small zinc]

Can pretty much disregard BSoD says. He kind of just smashes his keyboard with his face to parrot anything Deco says.

[willow schooner]

Take your blinkers off mate and actually read between the lines for once

[small zinc]

Ah yes. Ad Hominems.

You can google that word. I know you don't know what it means

[vernal pendant]

i wish i had a company that could cruise on good will from two decades ago

[small zinc]

Don't we all....

lol

[willow schooner]

their platform is stable, thats why they can cruise. Lots of work to get there, and maintain that control without regulatory intervention

[brave sundial]

how did bro twist the convo this hard

[brave sundial]

these days not really. Apart from the M series of macbooks and maybe vision pro what can you name that you can call truly 'innovative' from them

they more succeed in perfecting existing solutions and only then releasing them to the market

But I mean.. they've guinea-pigg'd their customers a few times before. Most recently with the vision pro

They're doing abysmal with 'AI' too, to the point where they're performing mass restructuring of that department.

[radiant grove]

Apple is just meh.

the only good way to use them is to get them from a company without having throw money at them from your own wallet 😛

what's truely innovative now is Framework, the full DIY laptop

you cant do DIY repairs on macbooks, they're a pain.

[brave sundial]

framework aren't really innovative, many companies tried the whole pro-self repair/upgrade approach before with varying results. And as we can see with the un-changed landscape of laptops... said results were not good

I'd be interested to see where they end up in the next few years

Because I genuinely want them to succeed, but for now I'm not giving them my money, maybe not for the next 3 years atleast

[brave sundial]

I mean yeah but there's a reason why even people who didn't like mac in the past rave about the M series, they're just damn great all-rounders

[prime jasper]

So have you guys seen the concepts of the new iPhone 17

They are making them look like androids now

I’m just gonna stick to my 13

That can barely run Roblox

[prime jasper]

I think apple is leagues ahead of everyone when it comes to user experience

[brave sundial]

I'd be concerned if an iphone 8 didn't run something like roblox well

[prime jasper]

Apples iOS design is absolutely unparalleled and it’s the cleanest and most beautiful imo

[prime jasper]

I have a 13 mini

It has lower memory so I can’t put the graphics all the way up

I don’t play Roblox for graphics tho

[quick locust]

iOS bad Android bad

Time to install Ubuntu on my phone

[prime jasper]

I’ve never heard of that one

Sounds like some sort of ancient Mayan ritual or something not an operating system

[brave sundial]

true chads take the source code of fuschia before it was essentially abandoned and compile their own continuation of it

[quick locust]

Ubuntu? Thats the biggest linux distro besides Android

[prime jasper]

True chads design their own from scratch

[radiant grove]

android isnt really a Linux distro though

its based on Linux

Try Linux Mint, its the better Ubuntu

[quick locust]

I mean, it is, just distant from desktop distros

[prime jasper]

If there’s Linux mint is there Linux gum

[brave sundial]

LFS

[quick locust]

Try it

🙉

[brave sundial]

the system that takes you literal days to install

[quick locust]

I just use OpenSuSE

Just was talking mobile distros

[brave sundial]

though I'm in my distrohopping phase rn, I want to try gentoo even though there's no benefit to do so

it will be fun to install and learn more

[quick locust]

Opensuse does have mobile but ye

[brave sundial]

but eventually I'll mature and stick with regular old debian like everyone else with a basic DE like gnome

[quick locust]

I stick with a basic DE but not Debian 😛

[toxic wigeon]

Lizard

[brave sundial]

fish

[radiant grove]

I really liked the idea behind the Finnish Linux mobile distro of Sailfish OS

they used to work at Nokia

[quick locust]

My cousin worked at Nokia before the MS deal

[prime jasper]

So what exactly is linux

Does it have anything to do with Linus tech tips

[radiant grove]

nope it has something to do with Linus Torvalds though

its a open source OS that you can do anything with, total user freedom

[quick locust]

Its a kernel used by many distros to make a full OS

[radiant grove]

Linux is actually an acronym, stands for "Linux Is Not Unix" xD

they always have funny acronyms though like WINE, "Wine IS Not an Emulator" when it is actually a windows emulator

[quick locust]

It isnt

[radiant grove]

it emulates windows apps

basically

[quick locust]

No

[brave sundial]

bless him, kickstarted that and git

[radiant grove]

I dont really use Linux for much other than just for servers

they're great for servers

[brave sundial]

well fair, you don't need to pay for alot of em

[radiant grove]

for most things I just use Windows, but Im not a huge fan of windows forcing broken updates, at least there's incontrol, to take control of feature updates

[storm garden]

@toxic wigeon glad youre enjoying the 5080 i got the 4070 super and love it im on am4 going to save towards am5 and then try to upgrade the gpu later on

[jolly wyvern]

Damn upgrading a 4070.

I go for the once every 10 year upgrade. Privilege to play doesn't exist they lose money for not optimizing as it should be

[nocturne drift]

scored a 4080 super for 750. upgrading my friend's 3080ti

never settle for radeon muhaha

[toxic wigeon]

I knew doom eternal was optimised but I didn't expect it to be this well optimised.

Everything on the very best on native and my GPU is only sucking up 150 watts and keeping at my monitors limit perfectly.

Otherwise it's just 300 frames.

[sweet dock]

hey hey, I have bought battlefield V on the EA app, but for some reasons, when I start it (and when it finished downloading) my pc crashes and reboot. There is no temperature problem and no other issue what so ever, it's 100% linked to battlefield V and I could find many people on reddit experiencing the same issue.
Do you guys know anything about how to fix it ? I have already tried downloading it again, start is as administrator

[molten flame]

https://wccftech.com/intel-former-ceo-claims-nvidia-ai-gpus-are-10000-times-more-expensive-than-what-is-needed-for-ai-inferencing/

[ashen garden]

i just bought the cheaper version of the event pass in bf2042, and when i get that level why it isint giving me the award?

[spring sapphire]

Try restarting the game

[sage fjord]

Someone with a Debian 12 laptop here. I barely use linux,my new pc is wind🤮ws;but that is mainly bc software compatibility still is lacking. What even is the point of a different distro? Debian works fine for me,can run Terminal,Firefox,and Doom,and honestly thats all my laptop NEEDS to do

[molten coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbFU6KoEASU

[brave sundial]

60Hz...

At that price

[static fossil]

It’s 90Hz

Still a bit underwhelming as far as refresh rate goes

[toxic wigeon]

Should Direct X Ray tracing increase RT performance across the board?

Or does it bring other cards to line

[celest lotus]

psvr 2 on PC still seems like the best comfort + value after the recent price drop?

Might be a personal issue but quest headsets front weight sorta ruins it for me

Psvr 1 was my first into to vr and it might have been TOO good

[pale quartz]

no, not immediately anyways

it's not out at all and game developers still need to implement it

[toxic wigeon]

It's essentially a thing that'll be better built in

yeah

It's one thing to make it a thing but it's another to actually incorperate shit around it.

[pale quartz]

fyi psvr2 is more or less abandoned on pc which is why the price is so low

don't expect things or games to work properly

[celest lotus]

Really? I thought with the adapter it would just function as a normal hmd now

Im fine with the vibration motors and all that extra stuff not being supported

[pale quartz]

it's not guaranteed to work because you need drivers for it, it's not just a dummy device, is the tldr

the long description is it has tracking issues in games because pc compatibility is/was an afterthought

you want things to work correctly the quest is your best option

[celest lotus]

well that's really disappointing to hear

[pale quartz]

yeah it's sad but not much anyone can do

it also doesn't work on Linux whatsoever because it's a exe and you can't run it through proton

[celest lotus]

Just want a good display without an entire OS in it, miss the rift s, index days

that weight distribution kills me in quest

I'll just wait to see what valve does next ig

Which is apparently also standalone 😐

[pale quartz]

you can get a meta quest without it, the enterprise version has most of the garbage stripped out, but it's like double the price as a result so pick your poison

[celest lotus]

I'm less concerned about the actual software, I just miss when the headset was nothing more than a display and gyroscopes/cameras

Lighter

Forcing a full android type os into them made it clunky

Big screen is there now ig

[pale quartz]

yeah fair

[molten flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlZWiLc0p80

[modern gull]

Anyone know if gsync and/or fps cap works with frame generation? 🤔 Would be interesting to know

[pale quartz]

yes

enable vsync and a frame cap in the Nvidia control panel specifically and disable vsync in-game, it will work with this

just as a tldr if it has DLSS FG then it has reflex aswell which is a auto frame limiter, so it's technically already being done

vsync will eliminate tearing and command gsync, it's the best possible vrr configuration

[modern gull]

Been doing some reading about gsync alone, i have concluded with i wont be using vsync from nvcp but rather limit the fps within gsync limit.

Was wondering out of curiosity as of with frame gen and if i use fps cap, fg and gsync will still work. Maybe you already answered that but i just dont understand 🤔

Thanks for info 😄

From what i know you cant really vsync fg

🤷

[pale quartz]

vsync will work in conjunction with gsync, (in combination) with FG

they all work together, gsync is just a timing window for vrr

[modern gull]

Ahhhh interesting, i suppose the vsync problem occurs with ingame vsync as it dont directly work with gsync right compared to nvcp one? 🤔

[pale quartz]

because FG is interpolation without vsync you'll get tearing in game because gsync doesn't actually command the frame timing, and yes correct, when it's enabled in game explicitly is when it fries

you should see a smoothness difference basically immediately

[modern gull]

Interesting

What about fps limit instead of NVCP vsync, how does that go with gsync and fg?

[pale quartz]

FPS limits work in conjunction with vsync (and gsync), but it won't do anything with frame generation because when that's on (DLSS) reflex will auto activate itself and auto command the frame limit by itself

you can turn it on globally fine otherwise, it will apply to games universally

if a game has reflex it does nothing, if it doesn't it does something tldr

[modern gull]

I dont think i understand sorry 😅 Let me ask other way, could i use fps cap in example ingame or nvcp without any issues with fg? My plan is to always have gsync with NVCP or ingame fps limiter few frames under gsync window

[pale quartz]

you can use the FPS cap in game or via the nvcp w/ the NVCP vsync yes without issues

[modern gull]

Also, upgraded finally too high hz. Got tired of inputlag with vsync

Thanks for info

[pale quartz]

no worries

[mighty geyser]

I think my rasp just took a shit while trying to build rustc on it

[midnight crypt]

Wouldn't limiting fps with frame gen on potentially show you more generated frames than real ones

[modern gull]

Things like that i was thinking too, so why i asked 🤔 But in the end, if image looks decent i wouldnt care that much tbh

Interesting question though. When i get the new monitor i will do some testing i guess from what i can see with my own eyes at least

Maybe vsync without gsync and fps caps was problem before, also could be fps cap never was problem 🤷 From what i have understood for the longest time is that was issue with fg atleast

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/arm-accuracy-super-resolution-an-fsr-2-based-upscaling-announced-unreal-engine-and-unity-plugins-planned

[void umbra]

My Battlefield V steam version keep crashing to desktop after a random amount of time

[small zinc]

Lol. Temporal based upscaling for RISC's.

What has the world come to....

[small zinc]

Nvidia Yesterday: "The way it's mean to be played"

Nvidia Today: "The way it's meant to be paid"

Especially love this dude blaming PSU manufacturers for their shoddy designs.

[quick locust]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/rtx-40-gpu-owners-suffering-from-bsods-and-crashes-complain-about-nvidias-rtx-50-fixing-focus

Novideo

[midnight crypt]

Trillion dollar company btw

[small zinc]

Pretty sure Nvidia doesn't care about some subreddit.

Unfortunately...

Actually, let me rephrase. We KNOW Nvidia doesn't care about a Subreddit, let alone the general consumer or "gamer." Those days are gone. It's all about AI and datacenters now.

[quick locust]

No working drivers for you

[worn phoenix]

literally just happened to me

[brave sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/nvidia-jensen-huang-the-more-you-buy-the-more-you-save-keynote-2018-gif-12315008507302833354

Should've upgraded, would've saved you alot bro

[midnight crypt]

5080 has blackscreen issues too

[quick locust]

[lunar wraith]

My PC can simply turn off because of this problem

it just turned off at a certain point and that's it

Driver: 572.83

[radiant grove]

laughs in AMD 😛

[coarse nimbus]

dont worry your future driver update will make you suffer too

[pale quartz]

no, frame interpolation is always a 2x ratio, frame limits don't affect it

[pale quartz]

as I said, enabling FG, will limit it anyways because reflex is auto activated

[lunar wraith]

Does anyone know what reliable drivers there are for 4060?

[midnight crypt]

566.36 should work fine

[lunar wraith]

thanks

[lunar wraith]

It seems there are no more black screens, thanks again

[brave sundial]

mid-range card bro, should've expected some rough edges

[toxic wigeon]

Where should one encounter black screen issues with the 5080?

[pale quartz]

old drivers or maybe certain games

[limber crater]

https://gyazo.com/708fd1dc59ff32b4e4bdc756a592c960 hey i get this issue my bf wont launch anyone know how to fix this there isnt much help online
"this software cannot be used at the same time as the game please make sure it's not running or restart your pc rewasd"

[midnight crypt]

Uninstall rewasd

[quiet orchid]

Do we have the capability to exclude high ping servers from quickplay? I keep getting qued into +120ping servers in BF1

[modern gull]

Yes select specific region should be like that

[quiet orchid]

Oh I must have missed that option, is it as you matchmake or in settings?

[modern gull]

Should be in server browser filters

[quiet orchid]

hmm ill look into it, I didnt think you could choose that for quickplay

[modern gull]

Dont think you can choose much filters for quickplay tbh

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ceo-radeon-rx-9070-xt-first-week-sales-10x-higher-than-previous-generations

[modern gull]

Not having vsync on in nvcp seem to give tearing

[pale quartz]

as i said before it has to be on in the nvidia control panel and off ingame

vsync works with vrr (gsync) to command the frame timing, FG will cause tearing without it as a result because its unbuffered

[modern gull]

Oh it has to be. Maybe i misunderstood. Also it seems to go 4 frames under monitor hz, i tried only 3 fps with fps limiter

[pale quartz]

yeah (on) setting wise for vsync, the default is use 3d application setting, just change that

[modern gull]

Already done that 😛

Seemed to fix tearing also, it automatically do the lower fps than monitor hz thing

Also no more vsync input lag 😩

Had to manually do it for one game, instantly halving latency. Maybe cause no reflex 🤷

It did cause some juddering i think it would be called, not like full stutter

[sleek wraith]

@pale quartz sorry for the ping brother. What do you think would be a good cpu to handle streaming and recording at the same time? A 9800x3d or 7800x3d

[pale quartz]

see the discussion yesterday about reflex

frame generation enables reflex which will auto limit the in-game frame rate

so the FPS cap will never apply, it only will when it's not used and/or MFG ratios are higher

[modern gull]

Yeah kind of what i was refering too

[pale quartz]

you're not going to be able to do that on any of those, what are you saying, CPU encoding for the streaming? you should be encoding via the GPU

[molten flame]

I personally do RAM encoding

[brittle topaz]

Those are functions that the GPU does, unless you're using inegrated graphics for some reason

[sleek wraith]

Okay sorry about that. When I'm streaming and try to use my replay buffer tool in obs my stream randomly goes down to 5 fps so I thought maybe it was a cpu issue

[pale quartz]

what GPU do you have?

and CPU for that matter

[sleek wraith]

4070 and a 5800x

[pale quartz]

you should be fine but your OBS settings may not be configured correctly, or you're trying to stream at an extremely high bit rate/resolution, what is your OBS configuration settings

[pale quartz]

no it's possible via the processor, it's just extremely expensive

[sleek wraith]

I have everything standard but Mt bitrate is 8k

[pale quartz]

then you're not on optimal conditions

you should be using the nvenc av1 codec

[sleek wraith]

Okay thanks deco I'll try that out now

[pale quartz]

set the recording profile to av1 and lower the bitrate, 8k is very extreme for av1, 6k should be more than enough, and enable adaptive bit rates

[sleek wraith]

Wait my encoder is on envec h.264

[pale quartz]

yeah that is the default, nvenc av1 needs to be selected

to stream in hevc/av1 you'll need to use OBS with twitch enhanced broadcasting

[sleek wraith]

Okay I see it and am gonna set it to that

[pale quartz]

https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/enhanced-broadcasting-getting-started?language=en_US details are there

for YouTube streaming av1 will need to be selected with RTPS on OBS

in general with av1 you shouldn't need a bit rate higher than 5k because it's much better than h264, but adjust and experiment as needed

[sleek wraith]

But that will keep my video source quality at 1080 right?

[topaz horizon]

hi guys i load into a server and im met with a black screen with aduio in the back that doesnt change doesn anyone know whats going on?

[pale quartz]

yes

@sleek wraith

source quality doesn't change it's just a much higher quality codec

[sleek wraith]

Okay I'm gonna try it all out now. Thank you @pale quartz

[pale quartz]

no worries

[molten flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX7aaDReDGQ

biggest IEM

[brittle topaz]

Right, I was thinking also budget

[lofty light]

Deco I need help, what’s a decent 750W PSU nowadays? I’m very out of the loop on what companies are trustworthy with PSUs anymore

Looking for only a Gold certification or so it’s for my bro, his old PSU had some caps actually explode the other night and fill the room with smoke

[nocturne drift]

seasonic and corsair rm series

[serene trail]

Yo, I know I am extremely new here, never talked and all but I happen to know that zachs tech turf has a exceptional tier list over on https://www.zachstechturf.com/psutierlist

[toxic wigeon]

I'd say corsair yeah

[lofty light]

Corsair have been my go to in the past but I’ve heard dodge things about their other stuff (cases especially) in recent years, not sure if they’re cheaping on the psus anymore

[sullen goblet]

[willow schooner]

Anything seasonic and gold rated or higher, or anything Corsair gold rated or higher (Corsair gold rating stuff is also Seasonic)

[pale quartz]

any specific requirements, such as 12vph/12vx6 etc?

[lofty light]

Nah it’s an old machine with a 1060

I’m getting a 750W as he’s understandably paranoid after having one blow up on his desk

[midnight crypt]

A 550w one would do fine

[pale quartz]

anything then would mostly be possible, but youll want a decent one for that, they're built to last, but also can cause things to go haywire as your brother found out if its ass, general recommendations are the rm850x for my standard suggestions

[lofty light]

I’m thinking a corsair RM750e

He definitely doesn’t need an 850 750 is already overkill

[pale quartz]

not what you think

with wattage there isnt overkill because they draw less power the higher the max wattage is, which is what the efficiency rating of gold/bronze etc mean

[lofty light]

Yeah that’s why I’m going for the 750

[pale quartz]

rm750e is atx 3.1, so its not compatible

[lofty light]

He was on a 500 bronze

Oh wait it isn’t?

Ffs

[pale quartz]

nope it uses 12vx6 not the 8 pin connectors for a 1060

[lofty light]

I assumed it had both WTF

[pale quartz]

do you mean the 2023 or 2021 model?

[lofty light]

This 1060 has a single 6 pin

I was meaning the later model

[pale quartz]

ah nvm then it will work its the 2021 (only), the 2023 rm750e will work fine

[lofty light]

Ah sweet

[pale quartz]

its atx 3 cert even, so it'll work with newer ones aswell

[lofty light]

That’s what I figured with it, he’s got a lower and machine so it’s good to get something he can still use if he upgrades in the next few years

[pale quartz]

yeah best thought process

[lofty light]

It’s weird this is the first time I’d seen a larger cap explode, quite a lot of oily liquid came out

[pale quartz]

yeah the bronze shitty power supplies are mostly sitting explosions waiting to happen

barely if any QA testing

[molten flame]

I remember people pairing the GTX 1060 with 350-400 watt PSUs

[quick locust]

Prebuilts did too iirc

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-confirms-q-release-slim-update-will-be-adopted-by-new-x870-motherboards

[coarse nimbus]

did they really double down on this?

[small zinc]

I mean. The 1060 only draws a max of 120 watts. A 350-400 watt PSU is more than sufficient for that. Who the hell overclocking a CPU paired with a 1060?

God I miss Pascal though

[molten flame]

Fx-9590 + GTX 1060

[small zinc]

GTX 1080 Ti is still Nvidia's best GPU they've ever made

[small zinc]

🤦‍♂️

[molten flame]

tbh lots of people were buying a GTX 1060/RX 580 for FX based systems

[small zinc]

Didn't realize people actually bought Bulldozer.

[molten flame]

1060 was bottlenecked by them though

usually because of value

[small zinc]

In my opinion, AMD's last CPU before Ryzen that was worth a s**t, was the x6 1075/1090T Thuban core

[molten flame]

Fx-8350 was sometimes as cheap as a dual-core i3

[toxic wigeon]

Bulldozer really hurt AMD Huh.

I'm finding old sentiment about their phenom processors

Apparently they were good?

[quick locust]

They were competitive then crumbled for quite a while

Before striking back with Ryzen which saved most of the company

[molten flame]

the red empire strikes back

[quick locust]

Their GPUs did better back then vs now though

Although 9070 fights back a little

[molten flame]

back then, Radeon had buggy drivers and no unique features

[quick locust]

And despite that they did better than now

Rough

[molten flame]

biggest jump in Nvidia marketshare was with GTX 900 series

11% gain from 2014 to 2015 lol

[quick locust]

Ya

RX 480 was 2015, no?

I think at least

[molten flame]

2016

then RX 500 refresh in 2017

[quick locust]

Too long ago for my memory

[molten flame]

your 8700K remembers

[quick locust]

Probably a few did 8700K and 5080 lol

Though probably 8400 and 8600 instead

[delicate flower]

I need help

I just got battlefield 4 with the ultimate shortcut bundle (BC I don't wanna have to grind again) and I keep getting insta banned or kicked from servers what do I do

[agile fox]

Having the same problem on ps5, nothing happens at all when I try to join a server

[agile fox]

I got a temporary solution, join through the server list and there’s a high chance u will get in a game

[prime jasper]

Could a Nintendo switch run Roblox

[hazy raven]

https://tenor.com/view/1000iq-10000iq-meme-think-smarter-not-harder-think-outside-the-box-gif-20324078

Breh

[prime jasper]

So is that a yes or a no

[serene fable]

id like to have a word with youtube's page design team.
watching in theater mode shoves the comments aligned all the way to the left ugh.
horrible on my ultrawide

[small zinc]

Phenom X2's were amazing.

[deft aspen]

Good evening, everyone! My name is Matheus, I’m passionate about Battlefield 2042, and I want to start streaming on YouTube. I need 50 subscribers to unlock live streams! If you enjoy FPS games and insane plays, please support me! 🚀🙏🏼

[coarse nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-gif-13669406505701813608

[deft aspen]

Pls

[frail rivet]

just stream on twitch and upload the vods to youtube for now, build your channel the way everyone else had to

[brave sundial]

But that requires actual effort

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9-9955hx3d-leads-single-threaded-benchmarks-in-first-performance-tests

[midnight crypt]

Nice scam

[brave sundial]

Not even nice

this would've been mildly believable a decade ago

[quick locust]

Thanks for the Lamborghini brother

[brave sundial]

I understood that reference

[small zinc]

10,000x1440

Extreme panorama

😄

49" Samsung Odyssey Neo OLED with 2x Alienware 34" OLED on each side for s**ts and giggles of it....

Is it stupid? Yes.

Any practical use for this? Absolutely not.

[quick locust]

Ripperoni your gpu

[small zinc]

only going to game on the 49. i highly doubt any game is going to render 10k x 1440

maybe flight sim or racing games?

[lofty light]

I’ve seen some racing games that support those insane resolutions

[molten flame]

https://fixupx.com/TechEpiphanyYT/status/1905278266996318620

TechEpiphany (@TechEpiphanyYT)

🔥Update
︀︀
︀︀ RDNA 4 still selling at a rate of around 100 units/day.
︀︀ Very high.
︀︀ Will be interesting to see, if it can keep it up.
︀︀
︀︀ [RX 9070 XT] => 300
︀︀ [RX 7800 XT] => 50
︀︀ [RTX 5080] => 40
︀︀ [RTX 5070 Ti] => 30
︀︀ [RTX 5070] => 30
︀︀ [RTX 5090] => 20
︀︀ [RX 6750 XT] => 10
︀︀ [RX 7600] => 10
︀︀ [RX 7700 XT] => 10
︀︀ [RTX 4060] => 10
︀︀ [4060 Ti] => 10

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[coarse nimbus]

apparently after april amd says supply will be better?

[brave sundial]

I've been seeing actual msrp pricing for the 50 series online too

almost as if when there's competition you can't rip off the market as much

[midnight crypt]

Haven't seen a single one at msrp myself

[quick locust]

Ive seen some in 4500-5000 range

Seem to wary a lot though

[mystic flax]

Hyte the company that makes pc cases just increased prices because of the tariffs. Thank god I purchased the y70 infinite last year when building my pc

The pc case I got was 380 last year

Now it’s 440

[midnight crypt]

I was about to say the prices weren't that bad then i read the ones further down the list

[spring sapphire]

Awesome!

[mystic flax]

I’m getting worried that this will start messing with other tech companies

Especially on cpus and gpus

[coarse nimbus]

who would have thunk, end users end up paying tariffs not middlemen

[brave sundial]

$440 for a case

[mystic flax]

It’s a big case with a touch screen

[brave sundial]

no no no it's just the first few months bro, wait it out, it will get better

[river dawn]

That's just stupid

[prime jasper]

Need as many screens as possible to screw up your circadian rythym

I'm sure having a half-naked gooner background on your tower is worth screwing up your sleep

[prime jasper]

I can’t afford even one of those fans you guys use in those gaming pcs

(The only gaming I’m doing rn is playing Roblox on my iPhone 13)

(I sold my ps5)

[molten flame]

[coarse nimbus]

a fan can be under $20

[molten flame]

downloaded Windows from mobile hotspot

good chance that it could be corrupted

[radiant grove]

or over $30 in Noctua's case 😛

best fans ever made, slient as hell

and its an Austrian product 😛

[brave sundial]

Well, you miss all shots you don't take

What's the harm in trying?

[maiden solar]

if Silence Is your main goal, if you want super cooling run some Iceberg Thermal IceGALE Xtra's "169cfm." Obviously you don't have run them full blast and they run quiet. But If you need the airflow these fans are jet engines. 4080s never gets past 50c. Just set up how you want in BIOS. Best fans I've ever owned.

[brave sundial]

https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/an-even-better-microsoft-account-bypass-for-windows-11-has-already-been-discovered

genuinely great for setting up pcs for other people, remove all the bloat for them and then they can sign in with their own ms account later

[quick locust]

Or maybe dont use Windows at all

[glossy dirge]

I like playing games more than I like troubleshooting them, so my main rig will stay with Windows

[brave sundial]

next year is the year of the linux desktop it has to be

[radiant grove]

its silent when it needs to be silent, and it cools really well when on load, then its no longer that silent, Noctua makes great high pressure fans

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/gmktec-mini-pc-with-ryzen-ai-max-395-strix-halo-to-retail-for-over-2000-launches-april-7

over $2000 for mini-PC

this is why Strix Halo is irrelevant

uses 2+ year old GPU architecture and costs nearly as much as Apple M3 Pro/M4 Pro devices

[opaque saddle]

I would rather buy a laptop or build my own desktop at that price point

did someone make a bad decision getting this mac and not the 16gb one

[small zinc]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/chinese-pcie-5-0-ssd-boasts-14-9-gb-s-speeds-positioning-as-the-fastest-mainstream-pcie-5-0-drive-on-the-market

Pretty much on par with the Samsung 9100

Pretty impressive. Though I still think Gen 5 drives are pretty pointless upgrades over Gen 4

5070 Ti in stock too on Amazon if anyone looking. Though $999 for a 5070 Ti is absurd

[midnight crypt]

Dramless and unknown memory controller

no thanks

[serene fable]

insane my steamdeck wifi can download up to 500Mb,
while my 2017 pc on ethernet can only do 50Mb

[prime jasper]

do you literally have your pc on a cat 5 cable

[mystic flax]

Think of getting my brother a steam deck or a asus ally

Anyone else know better on the topic of these two choices

[burnt locust]

Never heard of the asus ally, sorry

[molten flame]

Way better specs than a steam deck

[quick locust]

Better specs but it runs windows

Unless you put Bazzite on it or similar

[midnight crypt]

When Valve releases steam OS you can slap that on there

[quick locust]

Also the original Ally has some issues that Ally X fixed

[brave sundial]

Yeah get an ally X

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/reviewers-report-geforce-rtx-5090-for-laptops-is-50-slower-than-desktop-version

5090 laptop slightly faster than 5080 laptop

😴

[midnight crypt]

Stupid that they can advertise them as the same thing

[dry pike]

Nvidia: "If it's stupid but earns more money it's not stupid"

[willow schooner]

Both are power limited, so not much you can really do about it.

TLDR; Dont buy a 5090 laptop, get 5080 instead. (And make sure its a max TGP model)

50% slower at 75% less power (Than a desktop 5090) is pretty decent all the same

[dry pike]

How are external graphics cards these days?

laptops with large graphics cards are just silly, seems way more reasonable if they actually work well

[willow schooner]

I have no experience with them. But id imagine the reason they arent more widespread is because they still arent amazing

[brave sundial]

They used to have the 'M' moniker to atleast make people have second thoughts

and now they removed that too

[brave sundial]

And make sure it's not from a oem like MSI too

[quick locust]

Not just that, but the 5090 laptop version uses the 5080 die (same as previous gens)

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-50-series-laptops-now-available-rtx-5080-starting-at-2499-rtx-5090-at-4299

$4300 lowest price for a 5090 laptop

this makes MacBook prices seem a lot more reasonable

$4300+ for a laptop that's slower than a desktop 4070Ti

outstanding

[dry pike]

Unless you game or have other Windows specific software

[serene fable]

(not gonna tag) but its a cat 6 lol. my down up shows @ 900/900.
idk why its steam dl is so low. maybe my old motherboard is holding it up..
I slapped a samsung 990 pro SSD in here and it only did 66Mb just now

[pale quartz]

is that 66mb/s, or 66mbps?

because 66mb/s is 528mbps, about half of your current link rate

[serene fable]

woops was spose to cap the B also. Steam shows peak was 66.6 MB/s
So on steamdeck it is plus 500 more MB/s

(now i gotta see if my SD dl shows MB later too ig lol)

[prime jasper]

lmao

[prime jasper]

I get close to 900mb using wifi

[molten flame]

https://youtu.be/XLZ_lsa4_rs?si=kyRiQQzINWnxnlvd

Waiting for SteamOS wide availability and full dive VR

[quick locust]

66 Mb/s = 66 Mbps

66 MB/s on the other hand

Just being annoying

[pale quartz]

I know

[quick locust]

I nearly always get near my bandwidth cap when using Steam, so kudos to them

Microsoft store on the other hand..

Their repo must be on Mars or something

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/redditor-claims-ryzen-9-9950x3d-fried-in-asrock-motherboard-after-3-weeks-of-use

time to go back to PGA?

Ryzen 9000X3D failure rates getting pretty high

800 series chipsets are pushing SoC voltage too aggressively

[willow schooner]

99% of these brickings are on asrock boards

5 of the reports on Asus boards were user error, 3 on MSI, same with the MSI board failure. Only 2 of the Asrock reports were user error

[brave sundial]

what's next? Copilot?

[willow schooner]

Look at the date

[brave sundial]

Quite a bit of legit gaming news and Sony having their investor day or whatever today made me forget

[worn phoenix]

i've falled for like 5 april fools jokes today

doesn't help that a game was actually released today and i thought the announcement was a joke

[dapper saffron]

@stuck tangle ask here about keyboards these people are more knowledgeable on keyboards than me bsod, deco, takmikill, kristofer they can give better advice

[stuck tangle]

lurker

i jus want a standard keyboard that works.

becausethiskeyboardisdusty.

[worn phoenix]

what do you want in your keyboard

if it just has to get the job done buy a cheap dell that every office uses

[stuck tangle]

rue.

[molten flame]

https://twitter.com/TechPowerUp/status/1907032699878908400

TechPowerUp (@TechPowerUp) on X

Surprise Reversal: GeForce RTX 5090 Found with Too Many ROPs, Matches RTX Pro 6000, +8% Performance https://t.co/KOCh3OiF8Q

X · Apr 1, 2025, 11:30 AM

+16 ROPs instead of -8

[midnight crypt]

Nice

[coarse nimbus]

Jensen about to liquidate who ever was responsible for that one

[toxic wigeon]

LOL

[pale quartz]

total nothing burger, SKUs are mostly changed at the last minute

they do internal testing validation with gpuz

[willow schooner]

Its all fake

[pale quartz]

lol didn't read the article good one by them

[toxic wigeon]

I got fooled too

But it'd be so funny.

[urban elk]

Will be the new BF (labs) also available on newers MACs? OSX?

[willow schooner]

I would say 99% no. Basically no one wants to work on apple ecosystem support. Especially in the multiplayer/anti-cheat sectors

[grizzled sedge]

Yup, due to it mainly being ARM based, x86 stuff can run on ARM via emulator. However almost nobody is doing that for PC games at this time

Completely different architectures, the processors in smartphones are ARM based for example, there's even ones in servers and a variety of other stuffs.

Largest issues with gaming on ARM is graphics drivers, we don't even have stable emulators on Mali GPUs universally (Mediatek, Exynos)

Apple is absolutely speeding up ARM processor support for desktops and computers, but gaming is a far, far priority for them. It's actually 100% financial ruin for any game dev right now to focus on native ARM support translations from x86.

Only ones who can take the loss to show off, do so

Sorry for the novel, my word condensing sucks ass

[urban elk]

i just hope so.. because Apple silicon is ramping on and they are becoming a "player" on this sector.. just saying.. i would love to avoid to buy a console only to play this new game ahahha

i consumed BF3 on my ps3 in 2011/12/13 so ..

[grizzled sedge]

Apple designs the best non x-86 processors and uses TSMC (world's best semiconductor manufacturer) which puts them ahead, most processor companies that aren't x86 just buy designs or authorizations from ARM itself.

[grizzled sedge]

Oh, I have an easy solution for you

Use a service like GeForce Now or any other equivalent

Just have decentish internet

[pale quartz]

so won't happen is the short answer, EA anticheat doesn't have support for arm, nevermind MacOS

it's not even possible to run it through emulation

[grizzled sedge]

The game will be rendered and processed on a giant datacenter closest to you, and then streamed to your Mac, with decent internet and low jitter, you can definitely play even FPS games without much latency.

Won't be pro level tho, can't beat physics.

[grizzled sedge]

Yeah this, it won't happen

[pale quartz]

caveat* GFN has time session limits for playing, but it's a decent solution for mac

[grizzled sedge]

Oh fuck I forgot they did that

[pale quartz]

though given how ass Mac is for their displays with latency I'm not sure? if you'd bother tbh

[grizzled sedge]

Yeah, they have excellent color calibration - But very slow refresh wise, let alone pixel response time

[urban elk]

ok agree on GeForce Now
BUT there is a big BUT if they develop a way of using this game on macs there will be no reasons to use a service like GeForce Now .. so.. anyway nevermind ty for your time

[pale quartz]

if it doesn't work on arm, it won't be developed natively for Mac silicon, so it's a pipedream

Mac is a primitive ecosystem for game support

[grizzled sedge]

Just to tell you how it basically won't happen, We've had ARM processor support for Windows since like.. 2011

No major game runs on ARM, even on Windows

It won't happen

[urban elk]

we will see

[pale quartz]

as an idea the game doesn't even work on Linux, on x86 platforms

it's windows only, and x86 (for that)

[grizzled sedge]

Apple tried already to break into the desktop gaming market, it failed and they don't even make up 5% of it for most titles

They're very solidly into mobile only

It's why they help devs use their stuff like SWIFT and offer partner incentives to be IOS exclusive

[pale quartz]

if you want to play it even on a steam deck you have to install windows

[grizzled sedge]

Basically don't ever think of Mac and Gaming to ever be together, unless you're wanting to play native IOS games

Not shitting on Apple, you can't even play Windows store mobile games on ARM Windows laptops ☠️

You have the best processor and platform available (for under a fuckton of cash) for media creation, AI LLM's and other stuff

Use it for that stuff, just buy a gaming PC for stuff like gaming, or GFN

[urban elk]

because Power STATS on grafics if we are talking in RAW performance a macbook pro M4 MAX on graphics is equal to a Nvidia RTX A5500 Laptop

[pale quartz]

it's not

[grizzled sedge]

Yes, M chips are very fast, but they lose 30% minimum when translated to x86

[urban elk]

i agree all games on "APPLE arcade" sucks

[grizzled sedge]

Usually it's 70%

[urban elk]

https://nanoreview.net/en/gpu-compare/nvidia-rtx-a5500-mobile-vs-apple-m4-max-gpu-40-core

[pale quartz]

the GPU for Mac is extremely bad in that it will absolutely kill your battery under any sort of sustained load

that's part of Macs design, but it's a big problem

[urban elk]

i just want to play so...

they also failed to use the thunderbold port with external graphics cards

[pale quartz]

yes this is for applications specifically which are natively supported

[grizzled sedge]

ARM processors can give almost identical single core performance to x86 enthusiast chips, while drawing less than 25% of the power, but it's an entirely different architecture

[pale quartz]

battlefield isn't, you'd have to run it through emulation even if they ported support

which they won't

[urban elk]

what if i'm using "Parallel" desktop to play

[grizzled sedge]

That's due to MacOS almost entirely dropping graphics driver support natively, unless it's an AMD Pro series

[urban elk]

i saw some gameplays ... they looks ok

[urban elk]

i see

[pale quartz]

games will boot with parallel desktop, but you will have awful performance

don't be expecting more than 30 frames

[urban elk]

i see ok ok ty

[grizzled sedge]

Why go through all of this trouble? If you have a Mac you spent likely a decent chunk of change on it.

Your time has a value, just spend the $10 monthly for GFN and save up for an x86 PC for the stuff your ARM based Mac can't

[urban elk]

agree

because i have max 100mb/s and 40ping

anyway we will see

[grizzled sedge]

That'll be very rough

[urban elk]

fiber is a dream here in Italy ahhaha

[pale quartz]

just beware Mac displays for latency are extremely bad, so geforce now will be compromised as a result

if you go that route run it through an external monitor

[grizzled sedge]

Yeah, you'll be stacking latency on top of latency

[grizzled sedge]

Definitely, this also applies to Thunderbolt machines using external GPUs, but for a different reason

[toxic wigeon]

Game devs work with nvidia and amd to optimise the game around it yeah?

[grizzled sedge]

You lose performance bridging through to the built in display

[toxic wigeon]

Err

The drivers

[pale quartz]

yes

[grizzled sedge]

Yes

[toxic wigeon]

Card wise is obvious lol

[grizzled sedge]

There is a WHQL driver system that's been around for awhile, on an architecture that's been the standard for decades, for two companies who have been around for decades, in a market they have segmented themselves as dominant in for... You know where this is going

[pale quartz]

well "work correctly", is a better term, half of Nvidias driver patches are disabling things enabled in games by default or patching game bugs by themselves

which is why the database file is like 1gb in size

[grizzled sedge]

It's not Apples market, nobody in the non-mobile market games on ARM, nobody will optimize x86 games for ARM, as it'll require you to make entire driver suites for it

[urban elk]

well i'm still waiting to have a 5k 120hz monitor on the market also for work purposes

[grizzled sedge]

That's been done for awhile

[urban elk]

i'm hoping in 2026 with samsung's new monitor

[grizzled sedge]

iMac Pro display from like 2017

We're on 8K 120hz

Iirc, the new standards support it

[urban elk]

in a 27' display? no way

they are all 32 or bigger

or wide

[grizzled sedge]

You don't benefit from the PPI past a certain extent

[urban elk]

search for

i know but i need

[pale quartz]

5k form factor for 27" is rare, if at all beneficial* really tbh

the difference from 4k is basically nothing

[grizzled sedge]

326ppi is the limit the human eye can recognize pixels at from a foot away if you have basically perfect vision

[urban elk]

i pref ppi on top of everything because i see really well i can notice the pixels on my 4k uhd display 27' and it's 1 m away from me

i'm a dreamer ahahah

who knows..

[grizzled sedge]

Won't matter anyway, all newer titles are forcing TAA

[pale quartz]

not anymore

[grizzled sedge]

Plus with DLSS and FSR being requirements due to poorly optimized stuff, you're already not running native

[pale quartz]

just use DLSS, it'll remove taa, easy solution

[grizzled sedge]

That's genuinely genius

Never thought of that

[pale quartz]

the transformer model is revolutionary in that basically any bad taa implementation is replaced

better than native, in some situations

[willow schooner]

Without googling can you give me an example of one game thats so badly optimized it needs to rely on DLSS to run well

[grizzled sedge]

Cities Skylines 2 was one

[willow schooner]

DLSS was added post launch tho

[grizzled sedge]

Brother, you seem knowledgeable on the state of the gaming industry, you can't tell me you don't agree that the average person running a 3060/3050 can run most of these titles without the help of DLSS

Yes, because a 4090 couldn't run it at 1080p

I'm genuinely serious

Although that's worst case for a title selection

[willow schooner]

3050 being an extreme low end part, yes. It will struggle. 3060 is mostly fine at 1080p medium settings tho

both are low end parts

Buy low end parts > get low end performance TBH

[grizzled sedge]

I'm aware, and I don't entirely disagree

[willow schooner]

Outside of path traced games, im struggling to think of games that have been so poorly optimized, that they needed DLSS to run tho

and path tracing isnt really an optimization thing TBH, its just extremely demanding and basically needs upscaling. Same as RT did back when 20 series launched

[grizzled sedge]

I ran a non-profit with nice bare metal boxes, also have been lucky enough to be able to afford top end consumer cards, most newer AAA titles cannot run past 1080p 60-80fps without DLSS unless you're literally at lowest, 3060 is the most popular card on Steam

Path tracing I fully agree on

[willow schooner]

I believe the 4060 is right now

[grizzled sedge]

I'm meaning these games being rushed and having non-compressed textures, and devs having to just force DLSS/FSR so it's working optimally

[pale quartz]

yeah even on that they can't be saved

monster hunter is the defacto example as of now

[grizzled sedge]

Didn't want to come off that you need high end hardware to just play, lots of people say they need a 4090 to game, when it's BS

[willow schooner]

3050 and 6gb 3060 wouldnt have the VRAM to effectively use DLSS

[grizzled sedge]

Isn't it the opposite? They need DLSS so that the textures aren't full size and filling the VRAM, and then relying on the small bus size to use system memory as a sub

2060 with DLSS makes some games functional, and they're all 6gb

[willow schooner]

Capcom with RE Engine are doing what EA did with Frostbite years ago. Pushing out more and more games using it, which really should be using another engine.

They probably dont have enough engineers on their RE Engine team actually updating and changing it for the needs of the devs

[pale quartz]

he's correct similar to RT DLSS/FSR requires more vram because it's another layer of computation in a game

[willow schooner]

MH Wilds should not run as badly as it does, looking the way it does.

[toxic wigeon]

Talking about VRAM. I'm really feeling the upgrade to 16 gigs.

[pale quartz]

the transformer model requires less additional vram than the CNN model for DLSS but there's still a vram penalty for using it

[willow schooner]

Oh, I remembered one game that needs DLSS. Ark Survival Ascended. It also forces broken Frame Gen enabled.

[grizzled sedge]

To be fair, these people are at a disadvantage anyway if they have only a 3060/3050 on these worst case games, DLSS seems to still give better performance

I gave a friend who had a 1660ti a 2060, it's only 15-20% faster in terms of raw raster, but with now having DLSS it was way better

[toxic wigeon]

It would be nice if the standard vram for the lowest end xx60 cards now was 12 gigs.

[grizzled sedge]

I just want devs to be given enough time to polish stuff ☠️

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah true though after getting 16 gigs FINALLY it's helped me understand that even if your performance isn't top notch it makes sure your games are relatively consistent.

I get there's more to it

But still!

[grizzled sedge]

Even if we all don't agree on stuff, this was a nice chat

Good to meet peeps who play BF that're into tech

[brave sundial]

speaking of vream, you lads think we're getting a 5080Ti with like 24GB of vram?

[pale quartz]

20, probably

24 90% not

becomes in competition with a 4090

[brave sundial]

oh yeah I forgot the standard 5080 only has 16

[pale quartz]

good old non 3gb modules at the time for you moment

[brave sundial]

I just checked to confirm that and found this

256 people fell for that

[grizzled sedge]

You're lucky if you even get all the ROPS you paid for

Nvidia never misses a chance to have you hand over a kidney

[toxic wigeon]

This gen feels like such a non gen.

[brave sundial]

well this is going to be the future now isn't it?

[toxic wigeon]

I got the 5080 and it'll be good for waiting out for a 6080. Well. Hoping it'll be good.

We'll have to see.

[willow schooner]

Im not even thinking about future upgrades, cos 4090 still runs everything perfect 😄

5080 will last you a decade at 1440 high settings most likely

[brave sundial]

a decade?

[grizzled sedge]

4090 was the best value 4000 series card for awhile, it'll be a beast long term, just like the 1080ti

Might be a stretch depending on how badly optimized these new games end up being, but with DLSS + and XeSS/FSR working on all cards

I'd say it'd at least be a low-medium 1440P card a decade from now

[pale quartz]

nada, it doesnt

fsr 4 is rdna4 exclusive

doesn't work with rdna3 or Nvidia cards

[grizzled sedge]

Ah damn

[willow schooner]

AMD will spend 18 months getting it working on other cards, and by then Nvidia will go another 2 steps ahead

[pale quartz]

even if they "did" get it working it'd only be from ampere onwards that have support

it's trained on fp8 wmma that rdna3 doesn't support

[toxic wigeon]

If the 6080 isn't a substantial upgrade i guess 7080 (I'm coping)

6090 costing 5K aud being boosted to 10K AUD due to scalpers and demand.

[grizzled sedge]

I had a 4080 that I sold for cheap to a neighbor due to not being home often, now I'm using a 6750XT that I got for $200ish and I'm very happy with it

[toxic wigeon]

Pny 5090 for 10k wtf.

Oh yeah how good is PNY? I've been seeing positive reception over it

[pale quartz]

that's not the worst part, second hand market is around $6k roughly

so it's the actual market price

[grizzled sedge]

PNY has been around for awhile, any name brand OEM is fine tbh

[pale quartz]

generally a budget brand, especially their xlr range, they've had issues like a locked fan curve etc but they're "fine" mostly

[grizzled sedge]

Zotac/PNY can be a bit hit or miss on RMA's, but still better than ASUS on that front

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah i avoid ASUS like the plague.

[pale quartz]

the one thing you avoid Asus on is their boards

[brave sundial]

well they do make some good ssds

[grizzled sedge]

After seeing how they treated customers with warranty claims... Yeah I'm done with em forever

[grizzled sedge]

They're like Corsair to my knowledge, they don't use any of their own flash memory nor controllers

Not bad, but definitely upcharged

[pale quartz]

most don't realise but Asus boards are overvolted by default, so when you run at "stock", you're actually running a dumbass "overclocking" profile

[grizzled sedge]

Yeah, it's why they were literally popping some CPUs

[brave sundial]

and asrock by extension too right? from the article posted here today

[pale quartz]

which is how people magically get -20 PBO curves when all it does is bring it back to factory conditions

[grizzled sedge]

Asrock has become much better over time

Some makers have great boards, but those same makers can make shit boards

[pale quartz]

asrock are fine sorta, they have weird bios bugs on boards from time to time but id say fine generally

[grizzled sedge]

I'd love to hear you on your disagreements, they make excellent workstation motherboards which have lots of fancy features + IPMI for cheap

Their B550/X570 budget boards had better VRM's than MSI/Gigabyte

Although def not optimal

[pale quartz]

it's a industry wide problem*, because AIBs generally make fuck all profit on any board except the absolute high end halo models, so QA becomes second fiddle

[toxic wigeon]

I feel sorry for the guy in the hardware unboxed discord trying to get their 14900k to work exactly with the asrock board.

[willow schooner]

Most of the 9800X3D and 9950X3D that are dying are on Asrock boards.

[grizzled sedge]

MSI made the best B550 board for the price (Tomahawk) but the rest of them were C tier, each OEM makes a good board, just not always a good full lineup

Oh it was a troll 😦

[pale quartz]

they came out with a statement recently that one of them was from cleaning the processor would fix the problem, in the 9800x3d case specifically, but it could be a more wider problem, too early to tell for now

[willow schooner]

Over a hundred reported cases on asrock boards, so something for sure is going on

Id avoid them if youre looking at any newer X3D chips

[grizzled sedge]

I'm not informed on the newest Ryzen 9000 stuff tbh

[toxic wigeon]

I'm super biased towards MSI Motherboards.

[pale quartz]

I mostly just stick to MSI nowadays for boards

[toxic wigeon]

Would you get the 9950x3d by the way deco?

[pale quartz]

nah

[toxic wigeon]

Apparently the scheduling is much better

Hey

No blame

[pale quartz]

it is "better", but it's not solved

[toxic wigeon]

My mate did what you did for the exact same reason.

[pale quartz]

the problem is as soon as you run anything in the background you will get a degradation in performance from the second cache being scheduled

it's a architectural issue inherently

and a deliberate decision by amd

[grizzled sedge]

Ah so it's like the 5900x issue, only instead of a CCX issue it's the second cache, and it's fuckin shit up

[pale quartz]

not exactly

zen 3 is different to this situation

[grizzled sedge]

I appreciate the info btw

[pale quartz]

the 950x uses a dual ccd design but they're imbalanced properly on the cache, what is "supposed" to happen is it schedules itself correctly to either cache, the CCXs are the same, 8 cores each, they just have different cache layouts

[willow schooner]

The 5900X3D is such a pointless part. Essentially buying a 6 core gaming CPU

[pale quartz]

but that never happens in practice for a variety of "software prediction for loading is very difficult" and it causes hitching/microstuttering

inherently it's a design decision by amd not to put an identical amount of cache on either ccd, so it's not exactly a "issue", but rather just designed that way

[willow schooner]

I still really wish Windows had proper affinity memory. You could solve a lot of these issues with it

[pale quartz]

it'd still never really go away, they could mask it like they did with IF latency if it did I guess, but just a architecture limitation pretty much

[willow schooner]

Or just make a dual cached CCD CPU heh

[pale quartz]

medusa is from what I'm hearing a 12 core CCX design, so it shouldn't have this problem on the (900) range

[toxic wigeon]

Triple CCD cpu

[pale quartz]

3x CCD would be a good way to regress performance

[toxic wigeon]

Exactly

Believe in the power of the blocky triangle

[pale quartz]

well TR/NUMA already exists* so meh

[toxic wigeon]

For real though

I know what you said but I would love to see a 10 core CCD.

[pale quartz]

basically no reason to make a 10 over 12 core ccd

would be more expensive

[toxic wigeon]

Oh wait

So it's possible to go beyond 8 for a ccd?

Wait I wasn't thinking

Of course it is

[pale quartz]

medusa is 12 ^ apparently, from what I'm hearing

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah

[pale quartz]

medusa is zen 6

[toxic wigeon]

So reckon 800x having 12 cores may be possible?

And viable?

[pale quartz]

ehh it's possible, would they do it? nah, product segmentation

it would just be cutdown

[toxic wigeon]

I read segmentation as segregation.

Yeah that happens

It makes sense but it'd be super cool.

[pale quartz]

they "could" theoretically have the 900 range be the 16 core, but the ccx design for that with a 12 would be.. odd, to say the least

it'd have to be 2x 8

and the 950x would be 24 cores

[toxic wigeon]

I was always under the impression that the 950's had 24 cores.

[pale quartz]

is configured for 16 cores/32t

[toxic wigeon]

But I think I got confused by the technicality with threads.

Yeah

[quick locust]

I have Asrock but not x3d

No big boom for me

[quick locust]

Dice skill issue

[toxic wigeon]

Less boom than asus

[coarse nimbus]

i have both but 7800 is safe i think

[molten flame]

https://x.com/TheAhmadOsman/status/1907124154127487449

Ahmad (@TheAhmadOsman) on X

I just upgraded the memory modules on my RTX 3090s to 192GB

I now have 14 RTX 3090s with 192GB of VRAM each

2688GB of VRAM in total, thank you DeepSeek, thank you China

WE'RE SO BACK

X · Apr 1, 2025, 5:33 PM

if GPU is getting old just upgrade the VRAM

[molten flame]

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/104354/nvidia-is-rebranding-to-nvid-ai-embracing-the-companys-leadership/index.html

[willow schooner]

Its April 2nd now, these can stop.

[molten flame]

[brave sundial]

If Jensen was truly all in on AI he would actually do this