technology

[dusk relic]

Thanks, it came together nicely

[ocean canopy]

personally tho i don't even bother any more, I used to when I was playing on a shitter GTX 670M laptop and i was getting 55 fps in bf3 and needed to OC to get it above 60, but like

for 10% performance, it's almost never worth it any more

[dusk relic]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1314299947201335436/1336014167110455316/IMG_20240609_154632.jpg?ex=67a243a7&is=67a0f227&hm=5fd998a14c669ad534cd8799801ae7cd089f9a4252452e9dbf8419ef9344c2b5&

This is what she looks like

:3

[ocean canopy]

I also hate GPU OCing because you have to do it in OS, it's not like CPU or RAM where you do it in BIOS and forget about it

[worn phoenix]

i always try to push a little bit then undervolt until it crashes

prefer the nice cool temps

[worn phoenix]

clean

[brave sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1314299947201335436/1336014167110455316/IMG_20240609_154632.jpg?ex=67a243a7&is=67a0f227&hm=5fd998a14c669ad534cd8799801ae7cd089f9a4252452e9dbf8419ef9344c2b5&

Your welcome

[prime jasper]

wow. no annoying rgb. refreshing.

[brave sundial]

Ooh very minimal, I like

[prime jasper]

and here I thought I was the only person who pressed the window side of his computer against the wall

[ocean canopy]

cool temps don't really mean much, as long as you're not running into the maximum operating temperatures the hardware just doesn't care

[dusk relic]

Yeah i am just not interested in rgb at all. Came together nicely for a good price at the time

[dusk relic]

?

[prime jasper]

I can't see the innards of my computer. I have the display panel against the wall.

all I can see is the white panel

[dusk relic]

Oh lol

[prime jasper]

I'd post a picture but...

[dusk relic]

Wanna see the wiring?

[brave sundial]

all neat and tied up?

mine is a mess

[ocean canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/495757606120456203/1236786241756725279/DSC_1317.jpg?ex=67a1d8b2&is=67a08732&hm=b453c52e9421dba7060b06c53f52456d2c25576796d4364e8f371429b298bccc& this is my current one, i don't really have any good pics of it i just realised lmao

[brave sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/495757606120456203/1236786241756725279/DSC_1317.jpg?ex=67a1d8b2&is=67a08732&hm=b453c52e9421dba7060b06c53f52456d2c25576796d4364e8f371429b298bccc&

[ocean canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/495757606120456203/898621880787943424/IMG_20211015_192133.jpg?ex=67a1a417&is=67a05297&hm=04ba28892db86ced677349c6a1a6a75b22fd47d78d437249cc9fce64a1994312& this was the previous one (11900k + 2080 super)

[dusk relic]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1336015483618459660/1336015609258840064/IMG_20240607_232711.jpg?ex=67a244ff&is=67a0f37f&hm=f1afb85808d1f61b2bc859629493e499919f99766940f44dde13b8dacdfe8c41&

[brave sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1336015483618459660/1336015609258840064/IMG_20240607_232711.jpg?ex=67a244ff&is=67a0f37f&hm=f1afb85808d1f61b2bc859629493e499919f99766940f44dde13b8dacdfe8c41&

[dusk relic]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1336015483618459660/1336015551096553492/IMG_20240607_231926.jpg?ex=67a244f1&is=67a0f371&hm=79c156d8848653d68423594862e958b89690eed3a1c33b97aa43d65d27473907&

[ocean canopy]

fractal gangers 🤝

[prime jasper]

I miss my fugly noctua fans

[unreal iris]

Hello friends. Can I show you the components of my pc? Since it's such a topic here.

[ocean canopy]

yes gamer

[brave sundial]

[worn phoenix]

feel free

[prime jasper]

ooh, yeah. show us.

[worn phoenix]

nothing better than seeing other people's creations

[dusk relic]

My very first computer

[brave sundial]

for a first a 7900XT is great!

[dusk relic]

I mean before now i didnt have any money at all lol

[deft dragon]

BF still not Linux friendly i see.. sadge.. (looking up threads)

[pale quartz]

it never will be

ea anticheat doesnt support linux explicitly

[ocean canopy]

My old meme machine was:
11900k OCed 5.2GHz all core static (AVX512 disabled)
2x16GB DDR4 3600 C14 (B-die tuned)
MSI Z590 Unify-x
EVGA 2080 Super FTW3 Hydro
860w seasonic platinum

Currently:
7800X3D
2x32GB DDR5 6200 (tuned hynix)
Asus B650 Strix A
MSI 4070 Ti gaming trio (OC with suprim-x vbios)
same old 860w seasonic

I want to get a nicer motherboard to screw around with my RAM more, but there aren't any good AM5 XOC boards atm 😐

[elder grove]

I'm still rocking my GTX1070 and i7 6700k

[prime jasper]

afraid you don't have enough RAM?

[unreal iris]

Oh, you guys, I can't send a picture for some reason. I don't know why

[deft dragon]

Yeah, figures welp too bad for them then, as i know more people in my friend group are forgoing Windows for Linux.

[dusk relic]

Am5 cpus dont care for xoc in the first place lol. Especially in the ram department

[deft dragon]

All BF players since Bad Company 2

[ocean canopy]

The way I use my PC it's nice to have a lot of RAM, it's not really that expensive anyway

[pale quartz]

to be honest i wouldnt be expecting linux to be "friendly" any time soon, respawn removed support entirely a few months ago, if anything it will harden even more

[ocean canopy]

it's nice to have a 2-dimm board for memory oc, but yeah CPU OC is pretty dead lmao

[prime jasper]

I respect that then. I wish I used my computer to half its potential

[dusk relic]

Again like, am5 cpus basically wont work with memory over like 6400mhz

[pale quartz]

yes they will

just not in 1:1 ratio

[brave sundial]

Don't lose hope now Deco, 2020 2021 2022 2023 2024 2025 could be the year of the Linux desktop!

[ocean canopy]

I want to try run 8000+ daily

[brave sundial]

[dusk relic]

Go for it, it will do absolutely nothing for you but sure lol

[pale quartz]

yeah people keep up their hopium forever and then get disappointed when it never changes

[ocean canopy]

I never managed to get my 11900k to perform better at ultra fast gear 2 than at gear 1, but on AM5 you actually can get basically on par

[prime jasper]

well. gonna go get a echocardiogram done. bye :\

[ocean canopy]

gl

[unreal iris]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1320100383338532926/1336017872039710801/photo_2025-02-03_19-51-20.png?ex=67a2471a&is=67a0f59a&hm=be45f3bf91dd2d23867de6f7cd44d642dbd01c7e626783492693d6644d7ac2df&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=678&height=904

[deft dragon]

Bro iv been gaming on Linux and using it as a Desktop since 2006. I took a break in 2018-2019ish only to come back to it full time in early 2024. Win11 too much garbage i can't anymore.

[ocean canopy]

nice white

[unreal iris]

That's the only way I can send it 😄

[pale quartz]

thats fine but you cant expect to use it and be able to run multiplayer games

[ocean canopy]

ye im guessing u need to be around a while to get a role that can send attachments

[unreal iris]

Yeeh. Thx man:D

[dusk relic]

I love my air fryer

[worn phoenix]

air fryers are good

[deft dragon]

Oh im fully aware and dont expect it anymore. But i figure id hop in here just to check the rumors/comments on the matter.

[coarse nimbus]

is that code for intel 13/14th gen?

[dusk relic]

It could be

[pale quartz]

never going to happen is the long and short of it, EA anticheat enforces TPM and secure boot because its a kernel level anticheat, a pipedream would be the closest to it

[unreal iris]

13700 K

[pale quartz]

they even stripped battlefield 1 from linux entirely to add ea anticheat to it for the steam deck

[dusk relic]

?

[rotund solar]

nice build ngl, I would add lights to mine but it's just under my desk (dw I clean it from dust every few months)

[dusk relic]

The steam deck runs on linux

[worn phoenix]

not mine btw it's the guy i replied to

[dusk relic]

Battlefield 1 doesnt work on stek deck, I'm very confused what u mean

[pale quartz]

yes, im saying, you cant play battlefield 1 on it anymore, you used to be able to before they added ea anticheat

[unreal iris]

Thx. I usually clean my pc every week. The filters are all covered in dust and wool. It's brutal. If I don't clean my pc for a month, there will be new life in it. :"D

[pale quartz]

same for battlefield 5

[ocean canopy]

bf4 maybe works on linux

iirc punkbuster works on linux

but gl with anything recent

[rotund solar]

do you clean it so often because of animal fur? or just to prevent buildup

[pale quartz]

you can run it via wine for punkbuster

but thats about it

[dusk relic]

It does

[patent vine]

💯

[unreal iris]

Yeah, animan fur

[pallid robin]

Hello everyone, figured i'd introduce myself a bit, i build pcs and watercooling custom loops, would love to post a photo of my rig but i think my newbie rank won't allow me :< anyway can't wait to see the new battlefield in 4080 super, 2k HDR glory lol

[unreal iris]

I have 5 cats. Good thing at least the house isn't small:D

[pale quartz]

yes you need the regular role to post images

[pallid robin]

understandable spam prevention aye

[pale quartz]

ye

[pallid robin]

either way looking forward to chat up tech-related stuff

[unreal iris]

Me, too.

[tender sundial]

Anyone ordered 50XX Series nVidia?

[snow bluff]

yes 5090 FE

[tender sundial]

Whats ur est delivery?

[snow bluff]

Its in rig atm

[tender sundial]

🤣

fml

[narrow verge]

how much was it?

[snow bluff]

rrp

[narrow verge]

oh, FE, i'm dumb

[snow bluff]

1,939

[dull sedge]

Will this new game thing support 8000hz polling rate mice and have CPU Performance/Efficiency core prioritization? Tired of games dropping to 50% fps simply because I flick my mouse at high polling rate. And no, my computer is not the problem before anyone spews nonsense.

[narrow verge]

do you really need that high of a polling rate though

there's really no reason to go above 1k polling rate, it's just something they put as marketing, because bigger number = better

[midnight crypt]

8k polling rate has a tendency to nuke performance in a fair few games

[narrow verge]

yeah, nuke perf and gain nothing in return

[midnight crypt]

Marketing goes hard

[brave sundial]

Keyboard youtubers convincing people that a keeb with magnets in their switches is the greatest thing since sliced bread and will be a gamechanging for every use

[midnight crypt]

Magnets are magic

[brave sundial]

I mean yeah they're cool but most people aren't going to be playing competitive cs2 or valorant

[steel roost]

Jitter

https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3472749.3474783

In the first part, perceptual user experience under different jitter levels was examined using the ISO 4120:2004 triangle test protocol, and a jitter of over 0.3 ms could be perceived by sensitive subjects

https://blurbusters.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/360hz-requires-more-than-1000hz-mouse.png

Ah no images

[brave sundial]

https://blurbusters.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/360hz-requires-more-than-1000hz-mouse.png

[pale quartz]

"support", you can't expect to run that kind of polling rate and to not have massive CPU utilisation spikes, doesn't matter what the game is

furthermore games don't control core prioritisation, that's done by the intel thread director

[ivory creek]

ye i got a keyboard with 8k polling and i had to lower it to 2k to not get weird spikes. and a mouse rates are even worse if im not wrong as they register even more

with a 5800x3d

[pale quartz]

they are mostly marketing scams because mouses have hit such a point of maturity that they are mostly identical from one another, the part they don't advertise is you will absolutely hammer a single core and cause micro freezing because polling uses the DMA, which is constantly checking for what's going on

[dry pike]

But, you can architect the gaming workload in a way that enable the Intel Thread Director to do its job optimally. For what that's worth.

[midnight crypt]

It's worth nothing

[pale quartz]

Yes really, we mean it! If you try and control exactly where threads run on a modern PC you will be fighting against a host of input from both the OS and the underlying hardware providing suggestions where threads should be scheduled. The important part is to give the OS enough context information about the workload and allow it enough room to make the scheduling decisions.

intels own documentation, they explicitly advise against doing any sort of core affinity assignment or thread scheduling

and the reason they do that is because the ITD isn't universal across generations in terms of how P/E cores should be assigned, e.g. alder will differ from raptor lake because they have differing levels of IPC and if you try and schedule across you will have performance degradations on ADL processors

[ivory creek]

intel dominated the cpu interest for so long from what i can remember, when i was younger all we talked about was the latest intel. so i think its kinda fair that amd are ahead now

[strange moth]

does anyone know how to fix that wrong alert message that I would be logged in a different tab, so I cant access the survey?

[pale quartz]

the absolute maximum you should ever go to is scheduling against APIs which exist within windows or Linux, if you do your own you are asking for trouble

[ivory creek]

i remember going to this showcase of some students at a university here who showcased their idea of a 3d printerwhen they were still unheard of and asked people to invest in it, but i did nothing. i wonder if that was a dumb move seeing as theyre so common nowdays

this was a long time ago tho

[austere oxide]

clear your cookies and try again

[willow schooner]

PC Specs for the next Battlefield games Playtests was posted #battlefield-labs-discussion message

PC Minimum Specs:
CPU: Intel Core i5-8400 / AMD Ryzen 5 2600
GPU: Nvidia RTX 2060 / AMD Radeon RX 5600 XT 6GB
Memory: 16GB
Storage: Minimum 30GB
PC Recommended Specs:
CPU: Intel Core i7-10700 / AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
GPU: Nvidia RTX 3060Ti / AMD Radeon RX 6700-XT
Memory: 16GB
Storage: Minimum 30GB

[coarse nimbus]

funny storage ngl

[willow schooner]

Well limited test scenes, so makes sense.

[desert bear]

[ripe topaz]

Decently optimizen then, 2060 min is quite good imo

[coarse nimbus]

yeah, its just so low compared to games these days (i know apples to oranges but at a glance i chuckled)

i mean...dont be shocked if the actual game has higher requirements

[shadow topaz]

missed my chance to order a 5090 like most people, but my current gpu's aint cutting it anymore

[dull sedge]

I feel the difference. I could easily blind test it in my favorite few games. People that say this stuff is useless are inherently wrong. If the game was to optimize their use of the windows input api it wouldn’t lag. Games like valorant use raw input buffer with a crispy game loop to make it work. Now this isnt rocket science for the software engineers whose job it is to make this work at the engine level. I say it as a programmer, 2 devs can get this working on engine+gameplay team if tasked.

[toxic wigeon]

It's pre release. It'll run on reduced specs.

[dull sedge]

I don’t care if they optimize high polling rates. But ideally they should at some point as games should support whatever tech is on the market

[ripe topaz]

Sure, but I expect that the spikes on GPU mainly are still there when big destruction happens.

[dull sedge]

Cs2 has a setting for this

Recently added

They flag threads to that director using an api if I’m correct

They don’t just lock it with core affinity

[shadow topaz]

cs2 didnt like my sli setup either

[outer flame]

you germany chat ?

gibst ein deutschen chat hier

wolte mich auch für das testen bewerben

[shadow topaz]

keine deutchen chatters wach

[outer flame]

wie bewerbe ich mich und wo

[tribal phoenix]

GiB Battlefield labs im browser run und Mach den survey

[outer flame]

ich glaube es hat geklappt wenn da stand halte dein e-mail in auge die werden sich melden dann habe ich alles richtig gemacht oder ????

[steel hemlock]

Hattest du keine warteschlange?!?!

[outer flame]

nein

also wie läuft das dann da

wie muss ich es tun

[steel hemlock]

Wie das denn? Wo hast du dich denn dafür registriert?

[outer flame]

https://ea.arcsivr.com/Portal/home

da

aber komme da nicht weiter

kann ich hier bielder rein stellen da zeig ich dir wo ich bin

[toxic wigeon]

GERMAN

[brazen holly]

There are no reccomended specs out yet are there for BF6?

[shadow topaz]

9800x3d and a 5090

[coarse nimbus]

#technology message

game isnt even in alpha stage... theyre not going to have full specs

[brazen holly]

Fair point

I just hope my 5700X3D and 7900GRE will be enough

[shadow topaz]

im still on a 8900k and 1080ti

in sli

[sick charm]

#battlefield-labs-discussion it was posted, for the Playtest, at least.

It’s in the pinned messages ^^^ on that channel

[fast plinth]

luckily i have double that, i9, 4060, 32RAM

[brazen holly]

Oh wow! yeah I more than exceed those specs too

[coarse nimbus]

i posted the chat link that had those specs smh

[modern gull]

About 30% faster recomended gpu over 2042 and about 120% for minimum 👀

[brazen holly]

Ah sorry

[coarse nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/sydx-slime-gorr-the-slime-sydx1-really-right-infront-of-my-slime-gif-17602027637529569564

bragging?

[sick charm]

Oh that’s where I saw it

[tame cloud]

Hire the team behind Battlebit and give them people
(why do you need to burn money on 4 studios)
https://joinbattlebit.com/

[ripe dome]

I wouldnt say that 4060 is double 3060ti

[modern gull]

No saying that is the diffrence in needed gpu power for those levels, minimum/recomended vs 2042

[coarse nimbus]

oh

i misread what you said

[modern gull]

[coarse nimbus]

wait....i forgor if your gpu is better than mine

[modern gull]

Is fine, i do that often myself actually haha

[modern gull]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-what-a-mystery-sung-won-cho-prozd-who-knows-its-an-enigma-gif-27428995

[coarse nimbus]

do you have more than 8gb of vram

[modern gull]

Yes

[coarse nimbus]

you elitist

[modern gull]

16

lol

[coarse nimbus]

wow double mine... i hate you

[modern gull]

Also 1080p 🤡

[coarse nimbus]

[modern gull]

And vsync in most games

[coarse nimbus]

this guy cant stop bragging ong

[toxic wigeon]

You won't be running out any time soon.

[ripe dome]

1440p eats so many FPS anyways

[modern gull]

Was planning keeping it as long as possible, also 1080p helps that

[ripe dome]

if the game doesnt support frame gereation

[toxic wigeon]

Frame gen isn't good.

[ripe dome]

depends on game

[modern gull]

I actually havent tried it yet, but i expect some input lag for sure. Did test fsr one at a point but soo jelly and inputlag

[sick charm]

What gpu is recommended for 2042 ?
Or shall I google

[modern gull]

3060

[sick charm]

Thanks

[modern gull]

You are very welcome

[sick charm]

Maybe I’ll give 2042 a 2nd chance in the meantime

[modern gull]

If you havent played it in a long time its much better now. Also i recommend 64p

[coarse nimbus]

was the 3060 even out yet when 2042 launched

[modern gull]

🤔

When you say it

[sick charm]

Haha, yeah I think

Was only a couple years ago

[modern gull]

I remember i bought 3070 at release and that was before 2042 i am sure

[coarse nimbus]

i feel like i was playing on my 1070ti on it for a while before getting the 3070

[modern gull]

I see 🤔

[coarse nimbus]

you replaced the 3070?

[modern gull]

Yes

[coarse nimbus]

you traitor

[modern gull]

Sorry bro, i had too

[coarse nimbus]

we could have been like those 2 buddies from star wars

now i have the high ground on you

[modern gull]

Was actually considering waiting for the 50 series but good i didn't do that tbh

[warped depot]

All the 50 series cards in my area were immediately bought up

[modern gull]

Just get the 40 series, unless you want that 3x frame gen thing the 50 series have

Probably good prices now, but depending on where you live i guess

[warped depot]

I want to get the 5070 TI but I would need to monitor my local computer store’s website for all hours of the night

[orchid ridge]

I want to share my creativity and planning. Is anyone interested in listening

[modern gull]

🤔

[modern gull]

Couldnt you get the 4080 or something instead? 🤔

Unless the 5070 ti is much better and better price

[orchid ridge]

My idea has already been implemented through editors in other games

[coarse nimbus]

with scalpers trying to squeeze money out of the 40 series due to the 50 being out of stock? hard to say these days

[warped depot]

Not sure what the 5070 TI is in CAD but I imagine it’s somewhere close in cost

[toxic wigeon]

I was gonna get a 4090 but there's no way I can get one.

[warped depot]

The 50 series is also a pretty good upgrade from what I have

[modern gull]

Good point, i didnt think of that tbh

[rotund glacier]

This might help - https://opendata.blender.org/benchmarks/query/?compute_type=OPTIX&compute_type=CUDA&compute_type=HIP&compute_type=METAL&compute_type=ONEAPI&group_by=device_name&blender_version=4.3.0

[warped depot]

no results for the 5070 TI

but thank you for the resouce

[dense mesa]

Why do I get the feeling that eventually we're gonna get some war thunder players doing crazy shit in this chat

[molten flame]

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-5090d-gpus-getting-bricked-possibly-driver-bios-pcie-issues/

[brazen holly]

I don't buy in to the whole fan hype between AMD and nVidia but man, isn't this what nVidia users were laughing about 10 years ago versus AMD cards? 50 series needed to cook more.

[spring sapphire]

You can make or buy a bot that will check it for you every x minutes, and even auto buy it when in stock. I did that for best buys website in 2021 to get my pc lol

[tawdry blade]

50 series is a scam anyway my 4090 Strix beats a 5080 in every scenario its pathetic

[sick charm]

Because it’s better, and more expensive at launch 👍

[white bolt]

Im so glad that i pulled trigger for my new pc about month ago and didnt wait for the 5k series. 😌

[wintry merlin]

My 600 eur 7900xtx beats the 5080 in a lot of games

[prime jasper]

"my 2019 Porsche destroys a 2024 honda cr-v"

[wooden island]

My 1900€ 4090 beats the 1900€ 5080 on everything

[prime jasper]

cool

[wooden island]

I was waiting for the car comparison on that one hmm

[willow schooner]

The reality:

My 600 EUR* 7900XTX beats the 5080 in a lot of games * *

*GPU cant be gotten at this price
*In specific games when not using any ray tracing or up-scaling

[prime jasper]

why?

[worn phoenix]

yeah alright let's not get too funny and involve amd lol

the moment it goes anywhere near ray tracing performance tanks

[wooden island]

Which barely anyone gives a shit about, its so overrated, I barely turn it on

[worn phoenix]

it isn't overrated in the high end, which both cards are at

amd is playing a different game, there's no comparison if someone is buying a high end card

[brave sundial]

'overrated' and yet many new games are now enforcing it for everyone

[wooden island]

Enforcing it doesn't mean its not overrated

[toxic wigeon]

Rtx is starting to become more standardised by default.

[pale quartz]

if you dont want to run what will be a standard tech in 3-4 years well then thats up to you

but dont expect it is the tldr

rtx mega geometry will increase RT compute further and thats even worse for radeon in terms of RT performance

[wintry merlin]

True, but who cares about RT/

[worn phoenix]

everyone soon

[quick locust]

Radeon RT bad intel RT good

No arc mention smh

[warped depot]

Which bot do you recommend?

[rugged dew]

Yeah, one reason I went with AMD. The extra bells and whistles don't matter to me, I hardly play any games with ray tracing (And usually it doesn't make a considerable difference other than tanking performance). I opted for the card with a better price to raw performance ratio.

[brave sundial]

You will need to soon

[coarse nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-youwillbe-gif-5387097

[fossil aspen]

30 GB? that seems like nothing

that makes me scared for the updates

100 GB+

[midnight crypt]

It's a playtest not the whole damn game

[wooden island]

Yeah for comparison, bf2042 minimum spec was 100gb, probably going to be around that aswell

[dapper saffron]

battlefield is really good in keeping the game size decent knowing how big the maps are

[prime jasper]

I asked ChatGPT about what the lowest ping would be in the most optimal network if players furthest away would get if you connected the whole world so everyone could play with everyone.
And ChatGPT estimated the highest ping to 80ms

[coarse nimbus]

we beg gamers to be smart but it gets worse each day

[pale quartz]

it's wrong, because that's not what you're thinking

it's describing a peer to peer connection not a server to host

[midnight crypt]

Estimated highest ping being 80ms doesn't even sound remotely realistic

[ivory creek]

Over 100 ping in peer to peer games like gunz is really not fun, theres a notable delay and you have to lead your attacks

[prime jasper]

What? I asked specifically about gaming, but I dunno

[unreal flower]

do not listen to ai, especially about these specific things

[pale quartz]

gaming doesn't use one type of networking, it uses multiple or sometimes even a combination, it's not describing what you think it is

[prime jasper]

Ok 😁

What would the highest average ping be for those furthest away?

Not in the current nest of network, in a new optimal one made for gaming

[pale quartz]

depends where the server host is, the type of distribution the provider is using, where network cables are linked etc, it's basically impossible to say

[prime jasper]

Impossible? No why? A computer signal has a speed and you can measure it

[pale quartz]

as an approximation the absolute furthest and least connected would be the north pole by fibre links through the sea, it's exposed to satellite but it's in harsh conditions, anywhere from 200-400ms would be expected

possibly even more in bad weather

[prime jasper]

North Pole? Who lives there

[pale quartz]

people do, researchers, towns of communities even

it's inhabited, has been for quite a while now

[prime jasper]

Regarding to the ChatGPT the furthest distance would be Europe to Oceania

With 16,000km

[pale quartz]

that is by land, not by sea

fibre connections underwater are not straight and they don't connect well everywhere, the real distance is further

you'd need to measure all the lengths of the cables, the links it's connecting through per country and other underwater cables from each end of the earth, you could easily be talking north of 30000km

[brave sundial]

Someone legit asked me here "why tf is itcalled Battlefield Labs? Why not just BF6"

[prime jasper]

https://pastebin.com/Wv7jEvTN

[midnight crypt]

[pale quartz]

you didn't ask what you think you did

[prime jasper]

The conversation is longer than that, why would this be impossible?

You create a new network with the best possible routing

[pale quartz]

you asked it for a known population of some kind, i.e. continent or city, this isn't the same as absolute longest because it's excluding what is the actual longest (the north pole etc), it is talking about a hypothetical example and not in reality assuming optimal conditions (it even says this in the paste) and not talking about actual network infrastructure that exists as of now

[coarse nimbus]

amazing

why didnt we think of that

oh right...its expensive af

[prime jasper]

I asked it about a new network, what would be the theoretical best ms for those furthest apart if you connected the whole world so everyone could be playing games with everyone

The network that we have today is far from optimal

[pale quartz]

if you're talking about ripping up all the wiring as it exists today, sure

and I literally mean, every, single, wire

but it's not reflective of reality

[coarse nimbus]

its amazing humans were able to survive as a society before chat gpt got invented

[prime jasper]

Like the current network then? Or why didn’t someone ask the question of cost of the world we live in before they built it?
You comment is not valid

[pale quartz]

because those technologies didn't exist lol

it didn't just magically come into creation

[coarse nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-the-office-yikes-this-is-the-worst-cringe-gif-21219465

[prime jasper]

Why do you need to tip the existing wires out?

[pale quartz]

optical fibre came long after copper and they needed to deploy the internet in some capacity to scale it

[pale quartz]

dude because half of the world runs on copper

[prime jasper]

The question was about a new fibre connection

[brave sundial]

You just need to install the latest software update bro, to turn them into fibre

[prime jasper]

Not using the existing system

[pale quartz]

did you read what I said

you cannot have a new system without ripping out the old

[prime jasper]

Why?

[coarse nimbus]

unironically this is the kind of person that reads the onion headline "new IOS makes your iphone water proof!!" then drops it into a glass of water and is shocked at the reaction 💀

[pale quartz]

because every single technology that exists in the TCPIP stack that you are using right now exists in a capacity of assuming not optimal conditions

[prime jasper]

Why would you have to rip out anything for this?

[pale quartz]

I don't think you quite understand things like DNS or akin if you're asking this question

[prime jasper]

Do you?

[pale quartz]

yes I do

[prime jasper]

Do tell

[pale quartz]

I already did

[prime jasper]

No you didn’t

[pale quartz]

..

[prime jasper]

…

[brave sundial]

[lost orchid]

Well ain't this something

Is this where we post classified vehicle schematics?

[light hearth]

Quantum internet would be that - as in when "spooky action at a distance" can be utilized to transfer data instantenaously in our large internet hubs (in pairs across the world).

(still on the TCPIP stack most likely)

[pale quartz]

you win the funny award

oh hi David

[brave sundial]

David appearence

[coarse nimbus]

(i assume thats a fake)

[lost orchid]

How many people in this channel are software developers working from home avoiding doing actual work because someone on the internet said something wrong and you are morally obligated to correct them?

[pale quartz]

nope it's sirland himself

[brave sundial]

check the connections

[coarse nimbus]

I saw that but then assumed theres no way EA/Dice wouldnt have gotten this guy roles already

wait what am i saying

[pale quartz]

he just joined yesterday tbf

now we can find out if the next game is using 60hz servers

[molten flame]

[prime jasper]

my daughter is watching blippi and he was using some device and i thought it was air bubbles in my aio

yeesh

[serene hollow]

how can i download the new battelfield labs

[molten flame]

https://www.techpowerup.com/332047/reports-of-bricked-nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-and-rtx-5090d-surge

PCIe 5.0 connection seems to have integrity challenges

[ivory creek]

just opened seatools and noticed that my gen4 nvme is at 98% health after like 2 years of usage. is this good or bad?

[pale quartz]

good lol

[ivory creek]

cool

[pale quartz]

the health is the TBW of the drive, aka you have written 2% of the drive's capacity in 2 years, so if it continues it should last for 100 years

albeit it'll probably die before then

[molten flame]

temperature cycling is the long-term killer for electronics iirc

[pale quartz]

for dram it's not a huge issue

just things like firmware defects or the controller dying are far more likely

[molten flame]

NVMe controller is probably the hottest component

[brave sundial]

observer shouldn't have any problem with that since he slapped some fat heatsinks on his

$500 gen5

[ivory creek]

my nvme ssd got a heatsink on it even tho ive heard they dont really need to, i guess that helps with keeping it alive

[pale quartz]

nah

[coarse nimbus]

$800 get it right

[pale quartz]

it's to avoid thermal throttling under extreme bandwidth continuous load

[coarse nimbus]

it was just discounted but still dont think he skimped out on his nvme drive... top of the top baby

[pale quartz]

doesn't change anything in regards to longevity

[ivory creek]

yeah i know that , thought it might help with aging aswell

but alright

[pale quartz]

contrary to what most think dram much prefers high temperatures over cold

infact if it's too cold you can cause data corruption from cells freezing

[pliant lotus]

Boys but who developed the website of the queue? Lmao

Seems like a project of a high school guy

Like if I change browser it ain't save the spot fr?

[pale quartz]

it's not made by dice and it's not hosted by them either it's an external provider

if you want to save the spot just save the link you have

[molten flame]

NVMe heatsink might be more recommended to use in a PS5 than in a PC tbh

[ivory creek]

the numbers of the que cant be right... someone claimed they got placed into number 1 million. and theres no way so many people are in line

[prime jasper]

are you suggesting I remove my heat sink from my nvme?

[molten flame]

only Gen 5 NVMe needs heatsink

[pale quartz]

do not remove it

no that's not true

gen 4 drives can and will thermal throttle

[pliant lotus]

It's not about the number, it's about how they developed it
Just a Queue ID 😂

[pale quartz]

they did not make it

it is an external company

[prime jasper]

what world am I living in where more heat is a good thing? I would think any heat being dissipated, even if it isn't necessary is still preferred

[pliant lotus]

Yeah Ik, I am not saying EA did it, but holy cow dude, the project is awful ngl

[pale quartz]

I mean it's fine lol

it does what it's designed for

it's a queue page doesn't exactly need to be state of the art using react or something

[pliant lotus]

So if I just change OS on the same machine, it doesn't save the progress and I need to go back

[pale quartz]

as I said, literally just save the link

email yourself it or something

[willow schooner]

The signup site if they didnt have a queue:

[pale quartz]

header information isn't the same across different operating systems idk why you'd expect that

[pliant lotus]

wdym, my link does't have any ID

[coarse nimbus]

so any black friday store in the US

[pale quartz]

oh I thought you were through the queue

[ivory creek]

lol an electornics store here added a que like this before you could get access to a huge sale they had and they got an extreme wave of hate for it

[willow schooner]

Except more fighting

[pale quartz]

in which case yeah not much you can do

[pliant lotus]

I am in queue

[pale quartz]

best come back in a few days

but expecting it to stay across operating systems isn't realistic

[pliant lotus]

Just login with EA account

but nvm, it is what it is rofl

[pale quartz]

they do not own the queue provider, so if you want your data being shared with a third party sure

[brave sundial]

lies! the queue is an agenda, they're holding us back from getting in because... they don't want us to..?

[pliant lotus]

I do not think that the majority of people care about data governance and stuff imo

[quick locust]

Rip and tear until it is done

[brave sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-wide-slayer-gif-18921488

[quick locust]

https://tenor.com/view/cutting-below-zero-breaking-cutting-wires-breaking-up-gif-20241378

[pale quartz]

well EA probably cares about not getting sued because it was slightly more convenient

[pliant lotus]

Might be

[pale quartz]

banned for exploits

[ivory creek]

there are apparently several ways to skip the que lol

[willow schooner]

Yeah, these things are only there to stop 99% of people. They are very easy to get around. Even refreshing the page too much can skip it

[coarse nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/neebs-gaming-neebs-hank-and-jed-admin-banned-gif-15638137

not sure what people expect though with signing up

[willow schooner]

Ill remove the video incase it gets shared, but yeah. Pretty easy to do haha

[coarse nimbus]

is everyone getting in?

[quick locust]

I win by not entering the queue

[ivory creek]

lol

[brave sundial]

too late, I saved it

[coarse nimbus]

excuse me, i was doing this first

[brave sundial]

I won't share though don't worry

[quick locust]

Probably cant run the game anyways

[willow schooner]

The system requirements are fine

[coarse nimbus]

its quite low for the test

[willow schooner]

PC Minimum Specs:
CPU: Intel Core i5-8400 / AMD Ryzen 5 2600
GPU: Nvidia RTX 2060 / AMD Radeon RX 5600 XT 6GB
Memory: 16GB
Storage: Minimum 30GB

PC Recommended Specs:
CPU: Intel Core i7-10700 / AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
GPU: Nvidia RTX 3060Ti / AMD Radeon RX 6700-XT
Memory: 16GB
Storage: Minimum 30GB

[quick locust]

Yeah but AC

Same reason I cant play 2042

Not that its a big loss lol

[undone adder]

it doesnt work in incognito thoe xd

[lunar wraith]

ohh my pcc

[willow schooner]

You need to load 2 tabs with the same link at close to the same time

[quick locust]

Games gonna look for a kernel module that doesnt exist

[undone adder]

yeah it worked now...

what does this even do again?

[quick locust]

Crispy

Noctua D15 sweating

[ivory creek]

lol i keep getting requests from a company to try out new samples of drinks/food/candy and other stuff where they pay every a minimum of like 15 euro for a test that takes like 15 minutes to try and apply. shouldnt they offer the same to people who provide info for the new battlefield aswell?

[quick locust]

Will see if new thermal paste helps otherwise Ill get a better cooler..

[brave sundial]

If that company was EA selling battlefield collab confectionary then yeah maybe

[quick locust]

Swedish liquorice with salmiak from dice

Or they send this

[ivory creek]

lol

[ivory creek]

i think salmiak is the finnish word for liquorice

wait no its salmiakki

my bad

[quick locust]

Salmiak is hydrochlorid acid and ammonia

Mix it and you get the salt you put on liquorice

Nom

[ivory creek]

oh

i never knew, i always thought salmiak was just finish for liquorice

[prime jasper]

think i'm gonna get muh boy a 5800x3d and an RX 6750xt for his pc. he's been using a GTX 1660 Ti for too long now I think

if he even wants it it. all he plays is fortnite. maybe he'd rather just have that amount of money in vbucks lol

[vast oxide]

I agree

[ivory creek]

cyberpunk makes everything look better in return. it added better support for intel cpus and raised their performance by up to 30%

recently

[vast oxide]

Oh good. I got a750

[ivory creek]

i read an artice about a microsoft/windows tech that can take use of an additional seperate gpu and have it just focus on adding extra frames like in framegeneration some days ago

[worn phoenix]

sli making a comeback

[quick locust]

PhysX card framegen card

[tall lake]

xess 2

[brave sundial]

such a shame they'll be abandoning redengine

[brittle stone]

you can always get a 5700X3D, that one is sooooo much cheaper (here in the netherlands at least)

[ivory creek]

i dont think you can buy 5800x3d anymore unless its secondhand. atleast not here

now its all 5700x3d

[pale quartz]

yup

[brittle stone]

yup and here you pay 350 euro's for one second hand. I bought my 7800X3D for 362,- so that's a big "no" for me.

bought the 7800X3D new for that price

[worn phoenix]

7800x3d is so damn expensive here

almost the same as a 9800x3d, which makes it kinda silly to even consider the 7800

[prime jasper]

Does anyone know why battlefield 1 isn’t launching?
I mean it worked with battlefield 2042
I click on battlefield 1 but it just doesn’t launch

[ivory creek]

run the ea app updater, then reset the ea app cache then run a repair/verification of the game

if that doesnt work idk

[muted brook]

Guys out of nothing battlefield 2042 started crashing for me and I got a blue screen saying (your device ran into a problem) Does anyone know what to do?

[prime jasper]

I’m clicking the ea app but it doesn’t open
I’m new to pc idk what to do

Just delete it and download it again?

Oh wait
I’ve found out how to update it

Thanks for the help!

[ivory creek]

hope it helps

[muted brook]

can anyone help me

[prime jasper]

It helped

But now I somehow activated console commands or whatever it is
Like a grey box popped up

I don’t know how to remove it

I just wanted to change my resolution

Okay I’ve found out that I had to press ^ this button

[ivory creek]

cool

enjoy the game!

[prime jasper]

Thanks!
I used to play it a lot on my PlayStation but I love how active the game is on pc

[frail rivet]

thanks for removing the scam link

[brave sundial]

so new semester is coming up and I return to arch(dualboot) which I haven't touched in like 5 months. Changed wifi since then so I used iwctl to connect to the new one..

iwctl: command not found

and then my package manager says I have corrupt packages, best given advice I could find was to reinstall

I didn't need to use arch, I could've just used debian like everyone else.. but I thought "nah I want a real challenge"

well time to reformat, turn off secure boot again, reinstall and create new CA keys to sign

[prime jasper]

Does anyone know if the 3070 is still a good card anymore ?

Because I'm thinking of upgrading to an rtx 50 series card

Or waiting for the new Radeon 9000 series

[toxic wigeon]

It's still pretty alright but I would advise to get something like a 5080 for new gen.
Won't lie the 5080 being as disappointing it is it's the only realistic upgrade worth anything.

[coarse nimbus]

another day of my 3070 being shit on

[prime jasper]

crazy to think that I spent £850 for it back in 2021

MSRP was like £500 at the time I think

[acoustic spruce]

Hello. I waited in line for BFlabs and it brought me here. What happens next?

[waxen river]

wow such a fake link!

steamsconmmunity

such technology

[crude rain]

how to steal ur steam token tutorial

[serene fable]

my prebuilt is about to be 8 years old now. im not a massive upgrader.
so wonder, always worried how much time i have left with this.
i7 6700k / gtx1070

[coarse nimbus]

i hear it saying "im tired boss"

[loud shadow]

had to upgrade since vram was an issue for me. and yeah you should save up and depending on what you do, you could probably get a 9000 series card

gpu market isnt that great compared to like a few months ago but if it isnt urgent you should wait

[charred kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/bitcoin-btc-stack-sats-satoshi-hodl-gif-7492106174436469816

Rip fail

[brave sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-better-call-saul-that's-what-the-kids-call-embed-fail-kids-call-embed-fail-gif-1997762499303884962

[charred kayak]

😭

[keen hornet]

What do you guys think about DLSS (FSR) technology in general

for me it looks like a damn cheating

[cursive idol]

when done right it looks better than without with more fps.

[sudden topaz]

Dlss specifically is fantastic, especially the new dlss 4 update. Actually miraculous what they managed to do with the transformer model

[cursive idol]

ye absolutely, I want to turn it on but still on older GPU 😭

[sudden topaz]

Depends how far on the cutting edge you want to be. If you're planning on playing games on lets say 1440p 60fps high-mid settings it should be fine

Especially with the new transformer model. You can put it on performance mode and get a better experience than what quality used to be. Free fps

[keen hornet]

i doubt we can ever get same generation of GPUs as 10XX (it gave us almost 45+% more performance than 9xx) because of physics

maybe software enhancement is only possible way to get more FPS

[cursive idol]

They are focusing more on it, that's for sure. Even AMD is limiting their FSR4 to RDNA4.

[sudden topaz]

Its fantastic because they can improve performance on older cards as well

I have a 4000 series and I'm loving this new dlss update

[toxic wigeon]

Frame gen is only good for topping your frames off really.

It's a detriment at a low frame rate.

[ivory creek]

apparently a main partner to nvidia who handle their sales in several countries in europe had their info leaked and entire stocks of cards were bought by scalpers even before the cards were made available to the public

lol

i wonder if nvidia should reconsider their partners in the future

[midnight crypt]

Why would they care they're still making money

[ivory creek]

fair point

but if they care about us regular people and their image they would

[coarse nimbus]

I saw that yesterday

in a just world, everyone would boycott the shit out of that store and theyd go out of business

although since it was the EU im surprised there wasnt laws broken doing that

[ivory creek]

words about boycotting the company has been around , atleast in swedens largest computer forum

lol

[coarse nimbus]

ah so potentially dozens of people ready

[ivory creek]

some people even tagged nvidia associates in the forum and told them to do something about it

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-5060-5060-ti-to-feature-standard-8-pin-power-connectors-650w-psu-requirement

[toxic wigeon]

How good is rtx mega geometry?

[pale quartz]

the single biggest advancement in terms of RT performance in the last 5 years

[toxic wigeon]

How's the performance gain?

[pale quartz]

https://www.tiktok.com/@thegameawards/video/7457377686722284842 there it is there

[toxic wigeon]

Well not gain

But uh

How's the performance on it versus regular RT.

[pale quartz]

not how it works

its not a different form of rt, its accelerating the BVH structure

[toxic wigeon]

What's that?

[pale quartz]

essentially it allows game developers to put in much more demanding RT geometry for little to no performance cost

well, assuming that youre on a nvidia gpu anyways

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah.

[pale quartz]

see the video for the example

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah i did though he was sliding between the two like ok i guess

[toxic wigeon]

So essentially yeah the loss of performance isn't as bad.

[pale quartz]

no there is no loss of performance

[toxic wigeon]

I hope the new battlefield uses mega geo.

But i kinda doubt that.

[pale quartz]

it wont, its unreal engine exclusive lol

[toxic wigeon]

Ah

[ivory creek]

ive only stumbled into one game that cant be overided by the new dlss model btw, but they use unrealengine 5 and claim to have proper dlss implementation, idk why it say unavailable even after reloading

[toxic wigeon]

That's sad.

Who knows. Nvidia dice deal and bam pretty game.

[pale quartz]

unless the frostbite engine explicitly adds it which is basically not going to happen since it just came out

[toxic wigeon]

I hope with RTX needed for games by default more it uses mega geo more.

Yeah it's very new technology which made me think maybe but who knows.

[pale quartz]

alan wake 2 is getting rtx mega geometry this month

[toxic wigeon]

I would actually love to see that game used as a benchmark for reviews by gn and the lot.

[pale quartz]

RTX Mega Geometry is a game changer for Full Ray Tracing or Path Tracing, boosting performance in Alan Wake 2 by 15-20% on GeForce RTX GPUs.

just a free 20% performance for nothing lol

[toxic wigeon]

It'd be so cool if the new doom used it too.

To change the model completely and instead benefit from it is the kind of thing I want to see out of cards.

It's just a shame there's such limited use at the moment.

[pale quartz]

thats impossible

it doesnt use the unreal engine

besides id tech 7 is insanely optimised it doesnt require it

[toxic wigeon]

I said it would be cool. I know it uses Id tech.

Id tech is fucking black magic dude.

You can run RT and just lose 10 frames because it's that good.

Doom eternal unironically the game where i turn RT on.

[pale quartz]

ehh well not really, indiana jones full path tracing will drop your performance by 30% and eternal's rt is just basic

[toxic wigeon]

Fair.

I guess there's some good with the 50 series but it's kinda niche.

[brave sundial]

So remedy is specifically implementing it into their northlight engine

[pale quartz]

yup seen that

unless FR gets an update this year I don't see it being included though

[brave sundial]

Yeah BF6 is being built off 2042 and was in dev since 2022 at the least.

[serene fable]

I'll find a proper server later but I don't really like all this AI bs, but I guess that's the future world we live in now.
Anywho I needed some visuals for a project that was working on, I thought like bing and other big names had free generators.
Guess everyone's fine with subscriptions and paying for these tokens bs?

[worn phoenix]

crazy how people's first instinct when they need something now is to have ai slop made instead of paying someone

[serene fable]

Knew I shouldn't have posted anything

I can't even go to taco bell now without a stupid ass AI bot at the drive thru taking the order

[brave sundial]

I mean yeah.. how else are they going to make a profit

It isn't cheap having all those Nvidia H100s

[prime jasper]

guys, girls, AH-64 Apaches, I finally got an office chair instead of a "gaming" chair and my fucking "back" feels brand new

[midnight crypt]

Welcome to the pain of correction your fucked posture

because of sitting in a shitty chair for years

[brave sundial]

Is it one of those ergo ones

That cost like $700

[prime jasper]

nah. it was just a serta office chair for like $350

but it's just..perfect for me

I don't even order AT the restaurant anymore, unless I'm sitting and eating. Don't most places just let you order ahead?

as in, on my phone using an app and never have to talk to a person ever

[midnight crypt]

Ye

[serene fable]

Sry my pet rock drowned and I haven't eaten yet.
I actually do hate ai btw lol.
Dumb meta shit on fb, insta n the stupid snapchat bot.
Also pretty sure my webcam mic has been rec me the last 5 years 😛

But fck it I'll just pay for mid journey...
Totally jk

[prime jasper]

make sure your next pet rock is pumice

[spring sapphire]

Which ones have you tried? Grok is free on the app store and is decent, gpt you get 20 tokens per account a day so you could make several gpt accounts. Also you can use lm studio and try different versions of local llms like deepseek. I haven't tested if they generate pictures tho-the local ones that is. Also deepai.org is a decent one.

[serene fable]

U dropped this king

👑

[spring sapphire]

Is this to me?🤣I don't understand

[small zinc]

But at least Corsair Vengeance 5090 PC's are $6,000

If you want a 5090, probably the best bet of getting one.

[dry pike]

Buying a PC should not be the way to get a new graphics card.

[midnight crypt]

It is what it is

[small zinc]

Unfortunately, that's the way it is

[midnight crypt]

Not the first time availability was basically non existent

[dry pike]

it's stupid, that's what it is

but yeah ofc. they want to sell whole computers

[small zinc]

Purchase bots are going to snatch up every available one for the next 6 months to a year until all the early adopter people stop entertaining scalpers.

That and Nvidia keeping stock purposely low

[ivory creek]

ill be happy to keep my rtx 3090 till the next generation of nvidia is out, thankfully it still works in every game with some dlss

[small zinc]

I've considered the 5090 PC prebuilt route. Rocking a 7950X3D and 4090. I could part out my current PC and make back a pretty good chunk of change in return to POTENTIALLY justify it....

But that performance uplift doesn't really justify it at the end of the day.

At this point, kind of just want to go 9800 X3D or see what 9900/9950X3D brings

Get some uplift out of my current 4090

[midnight terrace]

4090 still a really really good card you don't really need to spend another 2000 dollars on a new card

[sick charm]

Makes perfect sense

[worn phoenix]

some people have the money and nothing more important to spend it on

[brave sundial]

You heard the man..

https://tenor.com/view/nvidia-jensen-huang-the-more-you-buy-the-more-you-save-keynote-2018-gif-12315008507302833354

[coarse nimbus]

realistically "the more GPUs we can sell to china.. the more money we make"

[brave sundial]

while they're being sanctioned

playing both sides

[coarse nimbus]

guys......the equipment is on the card thats banned but they cant actually access it

they would have to crack the card and like....thats probably hard

jensen says as hes getting on his private plane filled with all the china cash

[brave sundial]

He's untouchable now

Can mention the name of the tiny island next to China and the ccp apologise and twist it into them being wrong instead of him

[coarse nimbus]

oh shit ive been saying the wrong country

i meant west Taiwan

[brave sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/social-credit-gif-23976170

[midnight terrace]

deepseek moment

[ivory creek]

just a heads up, politics aint allowed in this discord

you might want to remove that

[midnight terrace]

i know it was a joke

[wheat frigate]

Question to my fellow pc people. I got the AMD 9800X3D, I also got 64 gigs of ram. gonna order a ssd soon but im also looking for a video card. Anybody have any recommendations(can't believe I just spelled that correctly)?

[midnight terrace]

ryzen 7 9800x3D ?

[wheat frigate]

Yes

[midnight terrace]

let me think

[wheat frigate]

Trying to get the best bang for my buck but If I gotta go all out, I'll do it as I wipe my tears with the card board box of an expensive GPU

[pale quartz]

4090 pretty much

[midnight terrace]

what resolution you nedd and what is your budget ?

[midnight terrace]

nah pretty overkill i think

[wheat frigate]

Yeah that's a little extreme lol. My current Resolution is 2560x1080 eventually gonna upgrade monitor. Budget i wanna keep about 1500 if that

[willow schooner]

2nd hand 4090

[pale quartz]

9800x3d means your GPU tier should be a 4080/5080+, it's the top of the line gaming processor on the market

[midnight terrace]

yeah i think

[pale quartz]

besides, he's within the budget for it

[midnight terrace]

even 4080 will bottleneck the cpu

[wheat frigate]

I was looking at a 4070 TI Super if you guys would think that would be worth it?

[midnight terrace]

no it will bottleneck the cpu

[pale quartz]

no? he's going to be GPU limited lol

you can't bottleneck a 9800x3d unless you have a 40/5090 and even then it's a extremely limited amount of games

[midnight terrace]

The processor might become a bottleneck for the graphics card's performance. While the graphics card is capable of handling intensive graphical workloads, the processor's processing power may not be sufficient to fully utilize the graphics card's potential. This imbalance could restrict the system's overall performance, leading to slower processing and potentially reduced graphics quality. To achieve a more balanced setup, it would be advisable to consider upgrading to a more powerful processor that can keep up with the demands of modern applications and games.

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D is too weak for NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER on 1920 × 1080 pixels screen resolution for General Tasks.

This configuration has 15.5% of processor bottleneck .

so yep a 4070

[willow schooner]

If their actual budget is 1500 for the GPU, just get the best possible GPU for that budget. Youll be upgrading from a 4070ti Super again in 2 years, while a 4090 will probably last you 4/5 (Cos its so strong, and has so much VRAM)

[midnight terrace]

i was wrong

[wheat frigate]

I am currently running a GTX 1070 and can still play modern games. Not on max anymore. It lasted me 8 years. Games are just getting pretty demanding now lol

[pale quartz]

you can't play half of modern games which require raytracing

Indiana Jones won't even boot on that GPU

4 million so far and counting

doesn't have to be that anyways the next doom this year won't boot either

[willow schooner]

If the next BF game uses mesh shaders (It well may as minimum requirements so far requires at least a 2060) you also wouldnt be able to play that

[pale quartz]

well, yeah?

the majority of people have a RTX capable card lol

it is a myth that people don't it's not new

no

[willow schooner]

1050ti is 2042s minimum

2060 for the next game (Or at least for BF Labs)

[pale quartz]

run, it doesnt

boot yes

[willow schooner]

1080p low at 30-60

Google is free

[brave sundial]

I've seen people with 780Tis running it

[pale quartz]

for video editing intel by a country mile

[willow schooner]

Nvidia is better for pretty much every professional workload,

[pale quartz]

games the 9800x3d is the best

[willow schooner]

Ah, they mean CPU

[wheat frigate]

I lucked out when I ordered mine. Everybody was selling out. I found a supplier with a few in stock on amazon

[pale quartz]

yeah they're still mostly selling out now

[ivory creek]

i had a gtx 1070 and it just about kept up to 60 fps in 2042 with mid settings 1080p

[willow schooner]

9800X3d got a big restock across the EU in the last 2 weeks. I had availability alerts set up (Once it went below 550 EUR), and got tonnes of notifications. Its also largely always in stock on amazon germany now

[jagged sail]

Hello everyone, for the new BF will my 4070 super be enough to play at 1440p?

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah you should be fine.

[worn phoenix]

nobody knows but i'd be shocked if your computer struggles

[coarse nimbus]

50 series been out for a week and somehow the 4070 super isnt going to work for games coming out next year

[brave sundial]

4070 is low end, get with the times

80 series is mid-range and 90 is actual high end

[coarse nimbus]

if the 4070 is low end whats the card 1000 below that

[midnight terrace]

wdym mean fine i have a rx5700XT am i cooked

[pale quartz]

that card doesn't even have driver support anymore so the answer is yes

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-unveils-rog-astral-geforce-rtx-5090-dhahab-gold-edition

Saudi Arabian 5090

[brazen holly]

But why.gif

[brave sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/money-mr-krabs-gif-18326632

[tall marsh]

^ sorry man its business.* wink wink*

It's*

Or whatever. @/LicensingIssues. Art. Clearly DEFINED: "contemporary" . Bank Account: piggy bank #UnitedStatesCitizen #KAWKAW. SPECIFICS.
ARTISTIC OR NOT.

I. MEAN. IT.

PERMISSION FROM MOM AND DAD. LEGAL AGE OF CONSENT.

I HATE LINES.

Anything, else?

#bored.

[toxic wigeon]

https://www.techpowerup.com/332104/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-cpu-accounts-for-almost-90-of-zen-5-sales-rest-of-9000-series-in-trouble

[molten flame]

Lol at that point, just get rid of the SKUs that don't have 3D cache

9800X3D outselling the 9700X by 20:1

undoubtedly AMD has massive inventory of 9000 series CPUs that won't sell because lack of 3D cache

next generation needs to have 3D variants available at launch imo

[low veldt]

I can tell

[tall marsh]

Always. Thinking. But it's fun.

*curtsy *

Look. At. The. Locations.
Like: Logs [like files]

Memes.
Like, Pokèmon Cards.

Or something

Like that.

[prime jasper]

ooh, we're spittin lyrics.

[midnight crypt]

I think the AI broke

[prime jasper]

We are runnin, we are runnin, we are runnin
Sleepin girl, kiss kiss the animal
Telephone
To, to, to tomorrow
You and me under a full moon
Down in the water, water in the waiting room

(Looks like it thinks it's an intro channel.)

[molten flame]

https://youtu.be/9hMh98FHRp4?si=PV5t2PGc0HDOOGE9

[midnight terrace]

It has the performance of a 3060 Even more

[pale quartz]

doesn't particularly matter when amd has sunset the architecture for driver support

[midnight crypt]

It's still getting driver updates

[molten flame]

I think the only thing that gets updated in the drivers is security related

[midnight crypt]

Nope

[molten flame]

I read that Polaris (RX 480/580), Vega 56/64, Radeon VII will only receive critical updates but does seem like RDNA1 still gets normal updates

RDNA1 support will end soon because the architecture doesn't have dedicated hardware for ray-tracing

Also no AI acceleration on top of that

Many games are starting to force ray-tracing by default and will end the era of pre-rendered, or rather, baked-in lighting/shadows

Vega iGPUs still recieve full driver updates but not the discrete Vega cards, due to the fact there's still millions of people using Vega iGPUs

[cold canopy]

Reflex 2 in next Bf?

REAL Dolby atmos in headphones?

Servers 120hz tickrate?

[midnight crypt]

How is anyone supposed to answer that

[steel roost]

Of all places, this at least has a crumb of opportunity

[steel roost]

My personal guess list.

Yes, no, no

[tacit jasper]

can anyone help me with a controller issue on bf4?

[pale quartz]

dunno where you got that idea https://www.amd.com/en/support/downloads/previous-drivers.html/graphics/radeon-rx/radeon-rx-5000-series/amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt.html amd's own site

the last (final) supported driver is from Oct 2024, the latest driver is from December, anything after is not supported, that doesn't mean it won't work, but they aren't supported

don't be surprised considering Radeon has a habit of ceasing support for half their own cards

[balmy fractal]

my laptop after the latest windows 11 update is now taking about 3 minutes to boot from a mere 15 seconds before. Is there any way to potentially see what is taking up so much time during booting?

[pale quartz]

fast boot on or off?

and is your agesa updated (if on amd) with MCR on if on am5

[midnight crypt]

You need to look at the current drivers page not previous

https://www.amd.com/en/resources/support-articles/release-notes/RN-RAD-WIN-24-12-1.html

[dry pike]

For 6300 euro I can get a laptop with a 5090 in it. Sounds like an extremely bad investment.

[brazen holly]

That's called a space heater

[coarse nimbus]

cats would love it

[pseudo rock]

Hoping it's forward thinking enough to include FSR4, both the RDNA3 and RDNA4 releases. Would be great to play on a future rdna 4+ powered handhelds and consoles when the time comes

[pseudo rock]

Oh yeah, AMD tends to scale back support 6m-yr earlier than Nvidia does. PLUS 7000 & 9000 chips have "ai cores" unlike their predecessors

all the more reason

[pale quartz]

right now it's rdna4 only

the "AI cores" in rdna3 aren't that great, if it's backported it'll be less performant and/or less quality

[pseudo rock]

AM

[sly patrol]

hi does anyone here use an oled and hdr in games? just got my first oled and trying to figure out if I'm supposed to leave it off in windows and just use it in game

[pale quartz]

you'll need it on in-game aswell

on in windows and in game

[pseudo rock]

AMD's came out to day they're looking to put it out on rdna3, just a different version that can make use of the limited amount and it wouldn't be immediate

but of course theyre amd

[pale quartz]

yes it'll be similar to xess's method for adoption using 1.4a, but rdna3 compared to 4 for compute on that stack is just much less

[sly patrol]

yeah that's interesting the colors are so different when its on in windows. I guess I can turn it off when I'm not in a game with win alt b

[pseudo rock]

fair

[sly patrol]

and rip borderless windowed at least for what I'm trying to play

I think hdr only works in fullscreen

[pseudo rock]

basically fsr 3.6 correct?

[pale quartz]

you have auto HDR on?

it will work with borderless fine

[pale quartz]

similar yes

[sly patrol]

I turned it on just now, but for armored core 6 I don't think it allows you to have hdr on while playing borderless windowed

trying to figure out the correct setup before this bf beta

[pale quartz]

it may be a limitation of the game, but it works fine otherwise

just make sure you're running windows 11 for her compatibility to actually work

you could try RTX HDR, it might work

[sly patrol]

I'm on windows 11 with a rtx 4070 ti super so I could try that

[pale quartz]

enable RTX HDR in the Nvidia app and see what happens

you'll need to reboot the game*

just make sure auto HDR is off in the settings for windows

[pseudo rock]

Hoping I can do some kind of testing for AMD hardware and eyefinity. Got a 7800x3d, a nitro + 7900 XTX and a 7600 XT at my desk. Sold my 4070 about a year ago

[pale quartz]

it should work fine just bare in mind you'll probably have game compatibility issues

[sly patrol]

tried all that I think it's just a fromsoftware thing, appreciate the help!

[pale quartz]

no worries

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-china-confirms-improved-pcie-q-release-slim-solution-offers-compensation-for-damaged-gpus

I remember when all you had to do to insert a GPU was screw down 1 philips screw for the I/O bracket as there was no locking mechanism for PCI/PCIe slots

GPUs were also small back then

[coarse nimbus]

why did they even have to reinvent the wheel anyways?

that was like a problem only benchmark content creators would run into.. and even then theyre using an open air test platform

[willow schooner]

Na, this is an issue for most people using big air coolers, or small cases.

[toxic wigeon]

I feel targeted.

[molten flame]

I have 4070 in ITX case

[brazen holly]

I'm running an AM4 system but I like how it looks. Best looking PC I've ever owned. Sadly I can't share

[quick locust]

Yea the PCIe latch is annoying to reach due to my D15

Not that I access it often anyway though

[fringe trout]

Btw will ne intel cards be relevant when rx 9060/9070 comes out ?

[pale quartz]

no, battlemage (Intel's new generation) will be significantly behind

[lunar wraith]

depending on how much they cost

[fringe trout]

We don't really know

Probably 450-500 for 9070xt

[lunar wraith]

I think 700 dollars at least

[fringe trout]

Its not Nvidia

[lunar wraith]

"Performance 4080"

[fringe trout]

Ok and

It was best case performance as new cod engine was probably desinged by amd

Rx 6600x beat 4060 in new cods

[lunar wraith]

so games not only in CoD are compared

[fringe trout]

Yeah but its not as good plus we got only leaks

[lunar wraith]

yes, and therefore it is difficult to indicate the price

[fringe trout]

But it cant be 700 7800xt is 500-550 and there not big enough performance boost to justify 250 price difference

[lunar wraith]

well, if it remains at the same performance or a little higher, then it will cost the same as its predecessors

[brazen holly]

@fringe trout meet capitalism.

Capitalism, meet @fringe trout

[lunar wraith]

or maybe not, it all depends on the buyer's market

[pale quartz]

well the only problem is radeon had the prices set for the 9070xt at 700 already for those cards for aibs before it got delayed after the nvidia announcement

[fringe trout]

Nvidia can do it becuse 80% of their icome is ai bros and big ferms in amd its 60%

@brazen holly meet basic business
Basic business meet @brazen holly

[fringe trout]

And they will change it becuse nvidia actually had a decent looking GPUs

They were expecting worse upgrade

And 5070 for 800$

[pale quartz]

they will change it because they dont exactly have a choice, and it was they were expecting higher prices specifically, not that the upgrades would be bad or good

[fringe trout]

What i said they expected worse value in opponent so they incresed their margins

[pale quartz]

ehh the radeon discrete division (consumer) doesnt make any money

theyve been hemorraging money for the last few quarters

[fringe trout]

That's why we need 3-5 companies

Imagine 2 more gpu manufactorers

[molten flame]

Intel B580 has 192-bit bus and can only compete with 4060 which is 128-bit

Battlemage is pretty much comparable to RDNA2 or worse

[pale quartz]

more or less

additional manfucturers doesnt particularly change anything

[fringe trout]

Give them 5-10 years

[pale quartz]

cant exactly do that with intel's current financial state lol

[fringe trout]

Not after 1 or 4 years

[molten flame]

already near silicon limits

[pale quartz]

intel discrete for GPUs probably wont even exist in 5-10 years

[fringe trout]

U need to hopemax in live not ropemax

[molten flame]

I believe Battlemage is likely the last generation

[pale quartz]

??

[fringe trout]

U need to believe

[pale quartz]

this isnt narnia its real life

[fringe trout]

If intel falls we gona be stuck with 2 companies forever

[fringe trout]

And everyone need to start somewhere

[pale quartz]

uh

[fringe trout]

Nvidia also was barley making money at the beginning

[pale quartz]

you dont need to listen to me, just listen to intel lol

theyve already said they will be cutting down any supply for discrete GPUs

and probably spinning off IFS

[fringe trout]

Now i remember there was dude who went all in on intel stocks and he lost half of his grandpa inheritance

[molten flame]

I hope Intel continues future generations for discrete but probably won't happen

haven't heard any rumors about B770 yet

[fringe trout]

Its jover

[molten flame]

I want to see a successor to the A770 but it may not happen lmao

[fringe trout]

I want to see competition in gpu market

Btw how is intel stock atill droping dont they own the patent for bedrock of every architecture in computer engineering?

[pale quartz]

because they are hemorraging money lol

it was a $16b loss in the last quarter

owning patents doesnt mean anything

[molten flame]

[quick locust]

Maybe not Radeon either

[pale quartz]

yeah lmao

[quick locust]

Consoles might just go cloud

[quick locust]

They've not stated that iirc but said there was less a need for discrete mobile

[brave sundial]

MS was right in the end

[brave sundial]

But not if they merge, it's a great idea isn't it?

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-nova-lake-preliminary-desktop-specs-list-52-cores-16p32e4lp-configuration

a lot of cores

[quick locust]

Maximum cores

[molten flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki7t7Kv1F8s

[small zinc]

Still gets beaten by an 8 core with 3D stacked v-cache.

[dawn musk]

I feel like the future of cpu/GPU tech is so murky right now with the emergence of AI.. everyone is just going to start implementing it into their hardware/software as is becomes more applicable. Frames will probably be a thing of the past to actually worry about. Every game will run at 200+ fake frames.

[pale quartz]

it has already been in hardware and software, for years

isnt anything particularly new

[dawn musk]

I've been living under a rock. I only just now started to actually pay attention to AI 🤣

[cursive idol]

fps isn't everything... that's what most forget

[worn phoenix]

it is when you're paying hundreds to thousands for hardware

[prime jasper]

whew. i saw hundreds of thousands at first and got pretty excited. i wanted to see the build

[frail rivet]

fake frames don't help a game feel more responsive

[prime jasper]

I used to play games with dogshit 2D graphics in the 90s for the story, sometimes despite the fact that even though it was 2D it ran like crap

and now a critique is fake frames

[molten flame]

fake frames, fake games

[coarse nimbus]

fake frames on early access slop? sounds like a gamers dream

[brave sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-force-unleashed-gif-23620078

[high geyser]

All frames are fake technology just changes how they are rendered. Framegen doesnt help a poor running game run good it helps a good running game run better. As long as you get a baseline 60+ FPS and the framegen is implemented well the technology is really cool.

yes..

because 100+ FPS is more visually pleasing than 60 FPS

and high refreshrate monitors can take advantage of that

depends on the game

the performance gaines on normal rasterized graphics are reaching a hard limit

thats not how it works

all frames are fake

[brave sundial]

yeah it's legitimately good tech, I just don't like how it's being used more of a crutch instead of better raw raster or developers actually better optimising their games

[high geyser]

the tech behind how they are rendered is different

lol

the GPU is rendering the frames

in framegen

its not like the game has an AI in it that renders new frames lol

its using tech in the GPU to render frames

the same as normal rasterized graphics

just a different part of the GPU

I already told you

normal rasterized graphics are reaching a hard limit

on what can be reasonably achieved

Digital Foundry

unless you want 10k$ GPUS

[brave sundial]

It is AI though, especially more apparant with the new transformer based model for DLSS 4 MFG

[high geyser]

you seem way too passionate about this despite not understanding a lot of it

all frames are fake

its not like there are REAL frames

the GPU is rendering them just in different ways

Again normal rasterized graphics are reaching a hard limit on what can be achieved within a reasonable budget and powerdraw so what nvidia is doing is implementing new tech that will still give perfomance increases it just has to be adopted and integrated correctly

they are real

you see them

whats the difference between a "fake" frame and a "real" one

but they are using data from "real" frames to generate "fake" ones

whats wrong with that

its like saying that a book that isnt handwritten is fake

lol what

why are you being so combative

why?

but that isnt the case with framegen

thats a completely different argument

framgen cant make a bad running game run good though

I explained that

it needs solid base performance

because it can run better

and high refreshrate monitors can take advantage

i have a 480 hz

because there are limits

to rasterized performance on modern games

if 2042 had framgen I could go from 150ish to over 200 easily

if it was implemented well

[hardy plume]

because there are limits to what hardware can pull in real time