technology

[pale quartz]

the long answer is the nodes (even a7) would never be used for GPUs

[quick locust]

Would be a while before they recover

[toxic wigeon]

Cringe

[coarse nimbus]

yes but did they factor in 5>4?

[ivory creek]

i was thinking about a 5070ti but seeing as the improvements aint that impressive idk if i should let my 3090 fight another few years till the 6000 series is being released. i dont care for framegen or any of that at all

3090 still holds up surprisingly well in most games i play with some dlss, even in 1440p

[toxic wigeon]

4080ti S

[worn phoenix]

i'd wait or get a 4080 if you can find it for a good price

50 series is pretty worthless though

[coarse nimbus]

based

[ivory creek]

what would happen if their AI perfected a card that was stronger than anything else while still being cheap to produce, would they still charge full price or lower it

[coarse nimbus]

Sir, we're running a business here

[worn phoenix]

charge triple and make sure nobody finds out it's cheap

[ivory creek]

lol

true

[worn phoenix]

line must go up

just making consumers happy isn't enough

[pale quartz]

the article is fake lol

[molten flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/284794210974957569/1333865539927281745/zrlha0qr0rfe1.png?ex=679a7296&is=67992116&hm=8e6865cce1ee8c9694ea77f02014cdb565280e0011b55fc45fe323c00479f292&

[willow schooner]

Totally stealing this. Brilliant

[molten flame]

weakest generational gains since Keplar, going from GTX 680 to 780

[terse glade]

It's a 4k card imo

[worn phoenix]

definitely

i mean i remember when it was the best of the best

now somehow my 4080 gaps it

and then the 5080 is 10% faster

[coarse nimbus]

idk you should probably just get rid of the 4080 at this point

ill accept it off your hands as a gesture of good will

[molten flame]

I use 4070 at 2560x1080 165 Hz

I want 3440x1440 but at 29-30" size and not the typical 34"

which basically doesn't exist

[willow schooner]

Nothing that came before the 4090 is actually a 4K card IMO

[molten flame]

4090 made 4K 144 fps achievable in most games

3090 could do 4K fine 4 years ago, then Unreal Engine 5 games started coming out...

https://x.com/lauriewired/status/1883599337642664035?t=NLLl-DM1SaNAFTrvVeF1Ag&s=19

LaurieWired (@lauriewired) on X

We aren’t far off from the theoretical limits of CPU clockspeed!

A soft limit at around ~10GHz where speed-of-light across the entire die in one cycle starts to become a major limitation!

(put thermal, transistor switching, and quantum tunneling issues aside)

X · Jan 26, 2025, 7:34 PM

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-fsr4-dll-spotted-in-unofficial-radeon-drivers-support-for-rdna4-only

[brave sundial]

[coarse nimbus]

smh now youre pro bing chilling

[toxic wigeon]

Pop it harder

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/pixel/nvidia-rtx-5080-is-on-average-8-3-faster-than-rtx-4080-super-according-to-first-review

[toxic wigeon]

Welp. May as well get the 4090 instead if I can LMAO

[worn phoenix]

Yeah this truly is one of the GPU generations of all time

Raster performance is dead

[terse glade]

Tbf we reached a physical limit

[toxic wigeon]

We just need GPU's that have more pieces in them over haha they're more powerful.

Like RTX cores and shit.

Since that is bleeding into how lighting is being done it's a good time to just do that.

[quick locust]

AI war of 2025

[toxic wigeon]

https://youtu.be/nShh_j4s2YE?si=cDPjcoGHtWMf9n5n

Unsubstantial.

[toxic wigeon]

I think my favourite part is "oh no how could they do this to us" because it affects their bottom line.

When all the ais inbreed with each other.

[molten flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/222060964319723521/1334178120386740335/Screenshot_2025-01-29_090728.png?ex=679b95b3&is=679a4433&hm=a8d1cc320f4857c103af470223855457cd9ddcdf0e9745537aea1c4dc7c2cb58&

5080 slower in delta force

[toxic wigeon]

And you know what?

It means nothing to nvidia.

Why can't we get cards pumped with RTX cores like how amd pumped their chips with l3 cache.

That's actually cool.

They lost stock because of deep dive not because of their gpus.

[coarse nimbus]

this is the most W thing for the 5080

[toxic wigeon]

5080X gpu and absolutely wrecks RTX intensive scenario that is cool.

Deep fucking

I meant dive but fucking

Ultimately nothing's gonna change. Nvidia and Intel gpus are the best ones for ai.

A competitor has come up which means they'll actually have to offer... something.

Yeah i get that. Though if you want ai still you would go nvidia.

[molten flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvQwlN1sE0U&ab_channel=der8auerEN

oof

issues with PCIe 5.0

[toxic wigeon]

I brought up intel cause they're doing something at least.

Amd i forgot did ai.

[brave sundial]

Be the change you want to see in the world

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk2077-keanu-we-have-a-city-to-burn-handsome-shades-off-gif-16336796

Johnny did nothing wrong

They claimed that?

[pale quartz]

amusing but expected

[brave sundial]

VRAM?

[pale quartz]

it will not be the first and won't be the last

[molten flame]

Am I reading that correctly?

acts like 16GB isn't enough on 5080 but is enough for 4080 lol

I believe that to be an early driver bug

[lunar wraith]

where can I see my PC consumption in watts?

[pale quartz]

its not a driver bug

the 5080 has higher (base) rasterisation than the 4080 so it needs slightly more memory, the reality is the 4080 was already on the boundary of not having enough in the game anyways

[small zinc]

So much for that whole 5070 thing beating a 4090

lel

a 5080 doesn't even come close

hahaha

"New Architecture"

Except. It's not.

Not a single game in any resolution that tops a 4090 in rasterization.

[brave sundial]

And yet half the lineup is at half that

Well who needs vram and actual raster when you have fake frames I guess

[small zinc]

I've always thought DLSS was impressive tech. But that tech has now gone to a level that's beyond silly in my opinion.

[dapper saffron]

DLSS 4 is not bad

[small zinc]

3 generated frames to 1 actual frame. It's going to look like a f**kin cartoon.

[pale quartz]

thats not dlss 4.. thats the frame generation component

its in the name, super sampling lol

[small zinc]

Uhhh

DLSS 4 is multi frame gen....

lol

[pale quartz]

dlss 4 is a stack dude

not a singular thing

[small zinc]

Ok Deco. You know everything. Not going to argue with you.

[pale quartz]

i built one of the most popular tools for updating dlss thats being used as we speak

[dapper saffron]

bro you talking about frame gen and multi frame gen not dlss

[small zinc]

DLSS 4 is Multi Frame gen. Not oging to get that on previous gens...

[pale quartz]

[dapper saffron]

i respect that dude some other lads like tak,bsod,deco these guys know about teach a lot

[small zinc]

And have been wrong in numerous instances

[dapper saffron]

[small zinc]

But whatever.

[pale quartz]

come on my guy do 2 seconds of google searching and youd know that it is actually possible to backport mfg

[small zinc]

I know that Google is your complete source of information. And then pass off that you know everything about computing.

[pale quartz]

uh huh

[small zinc]

So again. Not going to argue with you. DLSS 4 is absolutely the transformer model behind multi frame generation

I'm sorry that you don't/can't understand that.

[pale quartz]

??

you think frame generation uses a transformer model?

lol

[dapper saffron]

i dont know if there is books written on 50 series graphics card yet that deco can buy

[small zinc]

Deco, Just stop responding to me. You do know a lot. I'll admit, and I'll acknowledge that. But more times, you have responded to other people with factually incorrect things that we've argued over before. Whether you meant to, or the way you delivered your responses even if you have a different intention behind them, was stated incorrectly.

[pale quartz]

sure

[brave sundial]

MFG is a feature

[pale quartz]

keep believing your bs ig lol

[brave sundial]

Nvidia have stated it themselves

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/xvewyACDKl7ipCDNq4aOfoyTLVgvN--b228tFDr6ww0/https/www.nvidia.com/content/dam/en-zz/Solutions/geforce/news/dlss4-multi-frame-generation-ai-innovations/nvidia-dlss-4-feature-chart-breakdown.jpg

[small zinc]

Can't install windows 11 on an i3 3100. I'll just leave that here as a gentle reminder.

[pale quartz]

you want to go necro digging we can tag the guy who asked for a regular installation if you want

because you backed down 10 minutes later

[willow schooner]

DLSS4 includes DLSS Upscaling Transformer Model. 👍

[pale quartz]

theres a list as long as my arm, which isnt very long by the way, you werent correct about dlss 4, dont apparently have any conception of what it is either, seem obsessed with bs detail even when youre wrong on no matter whats being talked about, and embarrassed yourself in here on multiple occassions

[small zinc]

There’s a whole lot of things that you have been absolutely incorrect on

And are “teaching” others incorrectly

[pale quartz]

you want to play this silly game i have receipts

my credibility is better than yours, thats the problem

[small zinc]

Yep and I did admit that I was wrong.

You don’t know how to do that though

Which is pretty sad

[midnight crypt]

You should admit you're wrong again

[pale quartz]

right lol

[small zinc]

Yeah you’re wrong more than you’re right.

[turbid verge]

no refunds 🙂

[pale quartz]

[willow schooner]

Feast your eyes on this tho, has to be the worst yet 🤣 #technology message

[pale quartz]

damn 💀

[small zinc]

And the amount of times people come here in here looking for help with Battlefield issues, and yet you take the time to respond to them to tell them that you’re not going to help them

Lmao

[turbid verge]

btw dont most TV's that use OLED's for years use interpolation to make image smoother?

[pale quartz]

yes they do

[turbid verge]

[small zinc]

Not really. Just pointing out facts

Not even remotely close. Just throwing tantrums

Lol

[turbid verge]

This sounds like a basic rage bait. But we usually as a community want to help those who need the best way instead of be quiet and just let someone talk to the void and get no response. Usually if nothing work we tend to try foward them to the AHQ (Now EA Forums) or EA support. We also try use reddit threads where other had similar issues and solved it

[willow schooner]

"You were wrong, or slightly incorrect this one time, so that makes me being wrong all the time somehow OK...but im actually not wrong. Go learn some things"

[turbid verge]

Plus we been doing it for years here

[pale quartz]

you literally cannot help yourself, i wasnt even here yesterday but you brought me up out of nowhere

[small zinc]

And we know how helpful forums are when you have actual live help right here…. That’s so silly

[turbid verge]

not only in this channel but also the battlefield oens

[willow schooner]

Id rather no help, than the wrong help

🤣

[turbid verge]

that's up to the person

[brave sundial]

[willow schooner]

Its better to tell them that this isnt an official help/support channel...than have someone spam multiple channels looking for help they will never get.

[weak girder]

Is the rtx 4060 good?

[willow schooner]

Its ok

[weak girder]

Like is it worth it or should I buy smth else for around the same price

[willow schooner]

the 4060ti with 16gb of VRAM is lots better

[pale quartz]

resolution and whats the price

[weak girder]

1080p around 1000–1200 euros

[pale quartz]

1000 euros?

[midnight crypt]

You can get something way better for 1k euros

[small zinc]

It’s a tech channel. In a server that’s specifically battlefield. That sounds so asinine. “Official” support? No. Telling other people to essentially “f**k off” though isn’t right either

[willow schooner]

Is that for a full PC?

[pale quartz]

get a 4060ti 16gb instead

[weak girder]

Not in switzerland lmao

[weak girder]

Ye

[midnight crypt]

Can't you buy from your country neighbours?

[weak girder]

Nop

[midnight crypt]

rip

[pale quartz]

what is the rest of the system

[weak girder]

Uh like a ryzen 5 7400, 32 gb of ram and I havent rly decided on a motherboard yet

But Im hesitating with a laptop

Cuz Id like to move it around

And for the same price I can get a laptop with a 4060

[pale quartz]

laptop SKUs are significantly worse in performance over the desktop variant, keep that in mind

[weak girder]

Dk I watched benchmarks and its the same

[pale quartz]

it might be an idea to use geforce now tbh if youre wanting (well both), but up to you

[weak girder]

Hell nah lmao

[pale quartz]

cant transport a discrete pc

[willow schooner]

Id get a cheaper CPU with 3D cache and a more expensive GPU.

[weak girder]

Wont it bottleneck?

[willow schooner]

Probably not a 4060 tier GPU

[pale quartz]

1080p a large amount will be not be CPU bound

but 4060ti level it will depend

[weak girder]

Is the 4060 ti marginally better

Or is it like 5% better

[pale quartz]

if, which i suspect the answer is yes to a degree you have any want to move out from 1080p the 4060ti 16gb will be substantially better

you put yourself in a bind where you will run out of vram with a 4060 >1080p

[weak girder]

Tbh not really, I dont wanna buy a new monitor and 1080p suits me, I dont have much time to game anyways

Well, ig maybe I will in 3 years

[pale quartz]

what games are you playing?

[weak girder]

Mainly singleplayer games like cyberpunk, rdr2, bf5

[pale quartz]

in that case

[weak girder]

Well bf5 is not singeplayer

[pale quartz]

get the 4060ti

cyberpunk will run out of vram at 1080p for that

[weak girder]

Huh

8gb of vram

[dapper saffron]

no waiting for 5060 or 5060ti?

[weak girder]

I play it on a 1650s at 1080p low and it doesnt run out

[weak girder]

No it probably wont even be better

[pale quartz]

depends, i mean its not a awful idea, but if hes wanting it now then theres not much better option

[willow schooner]

MSI B550 board, 5700X3D, 16 or 32gb of RAM, 4060ti.

Something like this should fit into a 1000 EUR budget. A faster CPU will obviously be faster, but its not really worth it if getting a slightly faster CPU, means a lot slower GPU.

[dapper saffron]

thats true

[pale quartz]

switch on rt w/ dlss and itll blow past yes

[weak girder]

Nah I wont even activate rt

[lunar wraith]

There is no point in taking 4060 for 16 GB, 4060 SIMPLY will not open up these 16 GB, you can look at the tests

[weak girder]

If I wanted to play rt Id buy a better gpu

[pale quartz]

you can see cyberpunk uses 6gb, on the very low setting

[dapper saffron]

kinda true we seeing 8-10% increases only

[pale quartz]

so if you want to be playing at that then sure it works otherwise get the 16gb model

[lunar wraith]

It’s better to take a 7700 xt for the same money, it will be more powerful in games, and 12GB is still enough for all modern toys now

[weak girder]

It says 1080p ultra is under 8gb vram usage

[willow schooner]

Here is a video of 5700X3D/4060ti in a bunch of games at 1080p. Videos like these can help you judge your needs.

https://youtu.be/oA4Zaxji0-U?si=1AkzNsbbmA-fLtDg

[weak girder]

So Im fine

[midnight crypt]

There are games that push beyond 8gb of vram at 1080p

[weak girder]

But Id get a 4060 ti if I can find one for around the same price

Also still havent made up my mind if I get a laptop or not

[lunar wraith]

if you really need 16 GB, take 7800 xt

[weak girder]

Dlss tho

[pale quartz]

terrible idea

[lunar wraith]

you have fsr

[weak girder]

Fsr sucks

[lunar wraith]

nope

[pale quartz]

hes at 1080p so cant record av1 videos correctly

[lunar wraith]

you have 7800 xt?

[willow schooner]

A desktop will be much faster, but it also depends on your situation. Laptop could work for you

[pale quartz]

rdna3 has a hardware defect where you cannot record av1 videos at 1080p correctly, it runs through the entire stack

[weak girder]

My friend has a 4060 laptop, he runs cyberpunk at around 80 fps high and 60 fps ultra without frame gen, and it seems to be around the desktop performance

Well maybe it depends on games

[lunar wraith]

what does av1 mean

[pale quartz]

av1 is a video codec

[midnight crypt]

Did i miss where he said he wanted to record?

[weak girder]

Hahahaha

Idk what the fuck av1 is

[pale quartz]

uh.. well youd probably want to record, basic stuff yeah

[willow schooner]

If you dont specifically need a laptop for travel/moving around a lot. I just find them to be a pain in the ass.

[pale quartz]

gameplay.. videos.. etc

[willow schooner]

I bought a laptop with a 3070 in it 2 years ago...Ive used it maybe 5 times hahaha

[weak girder]

Im at uni, and either I can take it along with me at my dorms and back home on the weekends, or just buy a desktop and leave it at home

[midnight crypt]

AV1 isn't the only codec even if it's the best one

[weak girder]

But I dont always come back

[lunar wraith]

hmm, idk, amd 5000-6000 video cards can record video perfectly well without any gags, especially the 7000 series

[willow schooner]

Laptop may be ideal for you then TBH. If you want to bring it with you!

[pale quartz]

yes because they dont support av1 lol

[weak girder]

Ye thats why

[lunar wraith]

then Idk, if this technology is so needed, then let’s take the 4070, but definitely not the 4060 (8GB is not enough even for Forza Horizon 5)\

[pale quartz]

this is the 4060ti before not the 4060

and yes if you care whatsoever about having viewable videos it is a necessity

[lunar wraith]

Well, there's no point in getting 16GB, it's too expensive, it's better to overpay and get 4070

[weak girder]

Ive never recorded gameplay in my life wtf is av1 for

[pale quartz]

not disagreeing but that's probably out his price limits

[weak girder]

And I dont plan to either

[pale quartz]

https://youtu.be/QI1ZBlRcAcg?si=98_Xa1ihqTCa80wI

[brave sundial]

video codec. Basically your recordings look better while not taking up much more space

[pale quartz]

bare in mind this is recorded using Nvidia, so a Radeon GPU will look worse by default

[brave sundial]

If you're not going to do much of that or well.. obtaining your media 'differently' then you shouldn't really bother

[lunar wraith]

in general, it’s better to wait for new video cards, maybe something interesting will come out from amd

[pale quartz]

dont bet on it, rdna4 doesn't have anything particularly interesting

[midnight crypt]

rdna4 is DoA

[lunar wraith]

maybe av1 support

[weak girder]

Ye but Im not a youtuber lmao why would av1 be crucial

[pale quartz]

the av1 issue is fixed with rdna4 so it has that, but then it doesn't have 2 pass encoding so it'll have worse quality than the prior generation

[pale quartz]

it's not crucial, it's just a reason not to buy the competitor over what exists on nvidia

[weak girder]

Uhh do you have any stronger reasons

[lunar wraith]

))

[weak girder]

For me dlss and frame gen are good reasons, even though idk if frame gen is good

[pale quartz]

sure, you don't get reflex, anti lag 2 has barely any game support, you don't have DLSS and fsr 4 will be exclusive to rdna4, etc etc

no transformer model on fsr whatsoever

you're playing cyberpunk that has fsr 3, not fsr 3.1, so it's upscaling is awful and you can't upgrade it yourself

[midnight crypt]

You can fix it yourself

[lunar wraith]

Why are you trying to dissuade him from AMD, AMD has about the same things

[willow schooner]

AV1 TLDR

Lets you record/stream at a lower bitrate, for equal or better visuals than other codecs at a higher bitrate.

When setting your output bitrate in a software like OBS, normally higher bitrate = higher quality. 4000 Kbps with OBS and AV1 tends to look the same or better than 10000 Kbps with h.264.

This is important for streaming to services like twitch, because they dont let you stream at over 6000Kbps. so by default, someone streaming with AV1 at 6000 will have a better lookign streaming that someone not using it.

[pale quartz]

because they are not close

[lunar wraith]

but cost

[weak girder]

Nah dlss is way better than fsr

[pale quartz]

yeah you buy a GPU to have it last, not have it be out of support within 3 years

[weak girder]

Is frame gen acc good or not?

[lunar wraith]

do you mean drivers?

[pale quartz]

no feature support

[pale quartz]

yes it's good

[brave sundial]

Nvidia has a very noticeable edge in tech. And that's becoming more important as its relied on more as a crutch and something devs expect players to have at this point

[lunar wraith]

what kind of support is that?

i have no idea

[willow schooner]

DLSS was way better than FSR, AMD are 2 months away from improving their FSR visuals (Which will only be usable on their 9000 series of GPUs)...and this upgrade is only bringing them close to how DLSS has looked for 2/3 years.

In the meantime, Nvidia just updated their DLSS to version 4...which again puts AMD 3-5 years behind when it comes to upscaling tech

[pale quartz]

fsr 4 not working on radeons current generation for a start, as games use global illumination for performance not to fall off a cliff at demanding areas, the list goes on

[lunar wraith]

so dlss 3 also does not work on nvidia 2000 series

[pale quartz]

no, it does

[lunar wraith]

??

[willow schooner]

Nvidia GPUs also come with a tonne of useful software. Like Nvidia broadcast for example.

[pale quartz]

Turing runs DLSS 3

as it runs DLSS 4

it doesn't run frame generation

[lunar wraith]

I'll have to check

[pale quartz]

I can assure you it works absolutely fine

[brave sundial]

This reminds me of people confusing RTX for Ray tracing in general

[willow schooner]

Nvidias marketting at work

[pale quartz]

more or less

[willow schooner]

They want people to think this.

[pale quartz]

the top Google search result is did Nvidia invent raytracing

so it speaks for itself

[brave sundial]

[weak girder]

Tbh Im tired of pretending fsr looks good

Dlss looks honestly better than native sometimes

[willow schooner]

What FSR had going for it was GPU compatibility. That goes out the window with FSR4

[midnight crypt]

If only we didn't have TAA on native res

[pale quartz]

you want to fix taa, you use DLSS, ironically

[brave sundial]

Did Nvidia invent AI

💀

[midnight crypt]

I know

and it fucking sucks that it is this way

[weak girder]

Why

Dlss -> more frames + looks better

[pale quartz]

not sure what you're getting at

[willow schooner]

DLSS is one of the best things tech wise from the last decade.

[weak girder]

Taa at least isnt intensive and its decent at removing jagged edges

[midnight crypt]

You're either stuck with trash TAA or forced to use upscaling

[pale quartz]

DLAA, is the best form of AA that exists though

there is no better form

[weak girder]

Why would using upscaling be bad

[willow schooner]

I still dont get why there is this stigma against upscaling TBH.

[pale quartz]

you have SMAA which is the "closest" in terms of quality at the cost of 50% of your performance

[willow schooner]

Like native res is some holy, forbidden thing not to be touched hehe

[weak girder]

All this thing around fake frames and its not a real performance gain or whatever

[willow schooner]

I dont care much for Frame Gen, but thats just me.

[pale quartz]

well that's (literally) true, but the components of DLSS get mashed together when they're separate distinctively

ray reconstruction isn't frame generation much like it's not dlaa

[willow schooner]

But upscaling is legit something that makes playable path traced games possible.

[pale quartz]

and also how it's not RTX mega geometry either

[weak girder]

I think people dont like the idea of turning down settings even if it looks the same

[midnight crypt]

The new fg shouldn't have any added latency now right?

[pale quartz]

the MFG (2-3x) has a roughly 2-5ms penalty

so indistinguishable aka

if your base raster performance is already high you won't notice the input difference between native and MFG 360

[willow schooner]

Nvidias goal is FG + DLSS = lower latency than native rendering. which they have achieved. They now need to perfect he visuals, while also making sure frametime consistency

Flip metering should help lots with the frame time issues, but thats in 5000 series only.

[pale quartz]

it does, substantially

the micro frame measurements on Ada were all but eliminated

[weak girder]

Can frame gen help achieve playable fps if you have bad performance or is it something that only works if you already have decent fps?

[willow schooner]

Nvidia when 6000 releases: "We replaced flip metering acceleration with an AI version running on tensor cores"

[weak girder]

Since it barely removes latency

[willow schooner]

Frame gen only makes the image look smoother

[pale quartz]

tldr is yes it can but your input latency will suffer

ultimately it's a mathematics problem

[willow schooner]

RTX Time Warp - RTX 9000

[weak girder]

So all those things abt making path tracing playable is kinda bs no?

[pale quartz]

DLSS can also regress performance too in some situations

[pale quartz]

ehh well game dependent* mostly, PT is extremely computationally expensive

it can make it tolerable, not if you're on a card like a 4060 with barely any vram though

[brave sundial]

just slap frame gen on. Nvidia's paracetamol

you think BF6 will have PT?

Incredibly stupid idea but imagine

[pale quartz]

more than likely yeah

[brave sundial]

[pale quartz]

forced no but an option id guess yes

[weak girder]

We’ll have gta6 before bf6

[brave sundial]

oh

yeah I hope that doesn't become the norm for mp games

[midnight crypt]

2042 already has ray tracing

[brave sundial]

Yeah but that's just reflections no?

[weak girder]

So does bf5 lmao

[midnight crypt]

wouldn't be surprising with them stepping it up with path tracing

[pale quartz]

it's in your interests for it to be

[weak girder]

Its not suprising, every new game release nowadays has dlss, frame gen, RT + path tracing

[brave sundial]

what

[pale quartz]

raytracing isn't just about the default lighting in a game

[midnight crypt]

Raytraced audio when

[pale quartz]

it has numerous use cases that are just well being found, id tech uses it for registering gun shots etc

[weak girder]

Amd users get no love from game devs

[brave sundial]

I mean I don't blame the devs

AMD themselves don't return that love

[pale quartz]

why would a game developer care when amd don't even support half their own cards with their own features

rocm doesn't support strix halo the NEWEST amd laptop apu you can buy that they advertise as a workstation laptop

[brave sundial]

I guess we should be thankful that consoles are built off amd silicon too

[weak girder]

So why does every youtuber out there recommend amd

[brave sundial]

They do?

[pale quartz]

because they're cheap, well, normally

but that comes at a cost

[brave sundial]

I mean back in 2020 yeah everyone was going crazy for them

[pale quartz]

rdna3 isn't particularly price competitive these days

[brave sundial]

Now not so much

[weak girder]

Idk when I looked up if the 4060 was good most of the things I got was “Noooo its terrible, buy a 7700 xt for the same price”

[pale quartz]

well they're not wrong per say, the only problem is a 4060ti isn't that much more in the grand scheme

radeons problem is games are starting to force raytracing to run games and that's going to have RDNA fall apart in performance

[weak girder]

I mean, only one game has forced rt and its indiana jones, I dont think its gonna be the norm

[willow schooner]

AMDs upscaling and software suite is just terrible, when compared to nvidias. I also don't trust their drivers.

[weak girder]

Or else game devs are locking themselves out of half the market

[pale quartz]

it's not

doom the dark ages and the new final fantasy rebirth both require raytracing capable GPUs

[weak girder]

Tf

[willow schooner]

"Forced tessellation is cringe"

Gamer 2006.

[weak girder]

What kinda bullshit is that lmao

[pale quartz]

I mean it was introduced around 6-7 years ago

so there's been a decent amount of time since

[weak girder]

Yeah but amd users is still half the market, and only the rtx 3080 and up can actually run rtx decently

[pale quartz]

they're only around 10-15% of the discrete GPU market

the rest is Nvidia

[weak girder]

That much?

[pale quartz]

yes

[brave sundial]

Check the steam hardware survey

Near the bottom

Top are all Nvidia gpus

[willow schooner]

Amd Radeon are 10% or lower. And that number is largely propped up by iGPU users.

[pale quartz]

and by the time of the end of this generation they'll probably be at 5% the way the Radeon division are going

[brave sundial]

maybe they should sell radeon to Intel

[weak girder]

Yeah but again, only like 5 cards run rtx decently

And theyre not at the top of the hardware survey

[pale quartz]

you don't need a 3080, a 2080/2080ti will run RT fine for the most part

[willow schooner]

Everything 3060ti or better is a capable RT card. That includes GPUs older than 3000 series like the 2080s and 2080ti.

[weak girder]

Huh

Well like rt with 1080p low settings

[pale quartz]

90% of capable cards can do that

considering path tracing won't activate in games at low settings anyways

it's when you get into the Alan wake's et al

[weak girder]

Ye but if you pay for a mid range card you wanna get mid range performance

Even the gtx 1050 could run games decently at like med-high settings on 1080p back in 2016

Dont expect a 4060 ti to run a game at 1080p low

[pale quartz]

it can definitely? do that lol

the 1050 is a 2gb vram card it was gimped from release

infact you probably cant even boot most games on that low a card nowadays

[weak girder]

I mean I expect it to get higher frames

[pale quartz]

the 1050 was a 30 frame card it couldn't even achieve 60 frames without running out of vram

[weak girder]

I used to have a 1050 man, could get maybe 60 fps on low in bf5

[willow schooner]

4060ti can run CP 2077 at RT high preset and run over 60 FPS most of the time.

[pale quartz]

^

[weak girder]

Oh shit

Well mb

[midnight crypt]

Really wish there was a card between the 5080 and 5090

5080 ti pls and thanks novideo

[digital hill]

no they wouldn't make one for between but they'll make one over the 5090 call it the titan rtx 50 series

[prime jasper]

I'm gonna use my 4070 TI until I die, it dies, or games stop running well.

even reading about this shit is exhausting. and then having to spend almost 1.5k to even upgrade and it's a marginal difference, nah. my stupid monkey brain will deal with 108 fps instead of 130 i think

[wide marlin]

monkey see monkey do

https://tenor.com/view/black-popeye-black-popeye-wtf-wtf-stare-in-disbelief-black-popeye-stare-in-disbelief-gif-27007939

[small zinc]

There is. It's called the 4090. lol

And the 5090 is really just a 4090 Ti

No matter how much Nvidia tries to claim Blackwell is different or new architecture. It isn't. It's the same damn node. Same transistors. Oh wait. I'm sorry. It's 4NP. 6% IPC gains....

It's not new architecture no matter how much they try to play it off.

[willow schooner]

4090 is pretty much exactly between, both in performance, vram and price.

[brave sundial]

But will you find it for a reasonable price in stock?

[dapper saffron]

nvidia going no stock for more ads speed like cod gunsmith let you do

[coarse nimbus]

of course you will, nvidia is the largest producer of graphics cards, they wouldnt have a shortage of supply...

[terse glade]

[molten flame]

https://x.com/pirat_nation/status/1884690652945957369?s=46&t=N_5PxnLDHfvZcmsCSLiIJQ

Pirat_Nation 🔴 (@Pirat_Nation) on X

At 1080p the 4090 is faster than the 5090

X · Jan 29, 2025, 7:50 PM

Lmao

4090 beats 5090 in 1080p

[nocturne drift]

Of course. Cpu bound + early/beta drivers.

[molten flame]

Less than 250 RTX 5090 cards available for all microcenters combined in the US

biggest paper launch ever

[nocturne drift]

LOL

So frame chasers can get his 5080 to around 3200+ mhz

5090 is severely power limited prob.

[prime jasper]

[Higher is Better]

[quick locust]

Novideo

[molten flame]

$1000 for fake GPU

[toxic wigeon]

Fake VRAM

[brave sundial]

it's cheaper than the workstation ones so it's still good value

[pale quartz]

there's something odd on with the 5080 results specifically

it might be the L1 latency being worse on BL which is causing these regressions, difficult to say

[toxic wigeon]

In theory how much better should the 5080 be over the 4080? Could it be a driver bug?

[pale quartz]

10-15% give or take, there are architecture decisions which means it's 'potential' is lower assuming 1:1, some of it will be a driver bug but not by any huge margin

[terse glade]

Maybe 5060ti will positively suprise us

By price performance

[pale quartz]

this is funny

guess they found another use for Blackwell flip metering

[willow schooner]

Follow up tests on the newer 572 drivers showed improvements in Average and 1% low FPS...so maybe the same will be seen on the 5080.

[pale quartz]

yeah it's hard to tell, i don't think it's going to restore any exceptional gain since L1 LAT importance is different per game

[willow schooner]

Almost every review tested on 571.86.

Then there was also the CUDA package driver 571.96

these drivers have been all over the place TBH

[ivory creek]

so the new dlss version will be released to every rtx card if i remember it correctly? will i have to install nvidia app to use it?

[worn phoenix]

nvidia app will let you change dlss versions on games that haven't done it themselves

[ivory creek]

ah, i had problems with nvidia app earlier tho, settings that turned on by themselves

so i uninstalled it

[ivory creek]

nvidia app nor the driver search on nvidias homepage found the new drivers even though theyve been out for over an hour. had to download them manually through a link in the nvidia discord

[nocturne drift]

hardware unbox got +15% oc with the 5080 vanguard

this just makes me feel 600w power limit is too low for 5090 LOL

esp since 4090 clocks at just around 3000mhz

[coarse nimbus]

theres probably people unironically purchasing the 90 cards to run 1080p isnt there?

[ivory creek]

if they got some new 500hz 1080p monitor they might actually need it yeah

[coarse nimbus]

to play CS

[nocturne drift]

I mean I used 3090 to play 1080p at 280hz

which imo is very very reasonable

[molten coral]

heck no luck in getting a 5080

😭

[pale quartz]

short answer no, long answer is you need the Nvidia app for overriding anyways

[dapper saffron]

😳 you getting one wow

[dapper saffron]

you will be playing runescape and destiny in 16k

[molten coral]

[molten coral]

upgrading from 2080 ti

[small zinc]

Oh hey. 5090's are sold out.

Shocked face.

[dapper saffron]

😳

[dapper saffron]

this emoji 🤣

[dapper saffron]

anything new you want to play ?

[molten coral]

nah

I'll just play runescape

[small zinc]

Microcenter actually does have 5090's

looks like stocks are still there

[molten coral]

But I can't use 3 of my ports on my current GPU so I'm forced to 1 monitor, now it helps that I've a 49'' screen but able to use another monitor would be nice again :)

[small zinc]

So in other news, my brand new Samsung 77" S90D OLED decided to kill itself after only two days

internal power supply apparently went out.

Literally had it two days....

[dapper saffron]

you are insane

[small zinc]

Got delivered on the 27th

[coarse nimbus]

what % of the screen does RS take up?

[molten coral]

33?

[coarse nimbus]

[molten coral]

That's basically how I use my screen whenever I use it

[prime jasper]

that pleases me aesthetically

kinda makes me wish i didn't break my curved screen 😦

[molten coral]

huh?

[brave sundial]

49in?

[coarse nimbus]

#technology message does no one scroll up

[brave sundial]

[molten coral]

old setup pic

[brave sundial]

Oh another one stacked on that

[coarse nimbus]

needs more rgb

[brave sundial]

Is that to 'multitask' watching shows too?

[molten coral]

only thing I watch on my pc is anime lol

everything else on a LG oled tv

[coarse nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/furina-genshin-impact-suspicious-gif-9185201969323748657

[molten coral]

[small zinc]

RGB makes it go brrr right?

Adds more power?

[molten coral]

That's a server from when we had to close the official EA gaming server.

[willow schooner]

What case is that?

[small zinc]

Lian Li

[molten coral]

Lian li o11

[small zinc]

😄

Same case brother.

Damn good case

[molten coral]

i bought a new case because if I would get a 5080 I wouldn't be able to fit it in lol

[willow schooner]

Im using the phanteks enthoo 719 ATM. Really big and spacious

[toxic wigeon]

I feel like i should get the 5080 and just shut the hell up lol

Get one that can oc and work with what I have.

[midnight crypt]

Why a 5080 when a 4080 is basically on par

[toxic wigeon]

I don't know. I don't care.

[molten coral]

Honestly, I want the exact opposite a micro atx case but would be awful for temps

[toxic wigeon]

It's not like I'll be playing on 4k.

[brave sundial]

That must suck with how wide it is.

[willow schooner]

5080 is faster than 4080 and 4080 Super

[toxic wigeon]

Not a satisfactory amount.

[small zinc]

What do you have now?

[willow schooner]

Tho if i could get a 4080 super for much lower than the 5080...id go with that

[toxic wigeon]

3080

[willow schooner]

Or just get a 4090 😄

[brave sundial]

ultrawide anime when (niche appealing to an even smaller niche)

[toxic wigeon]

3500 for 4090. 2000 for 5080/4080.

[small zinc]

Then a 5080 would be a pretty decent upgrade. Was going to suggest skipping a 5080 if coming from a 4080. Minimal upgrade to be honest. But 3080? Pretty significant

[toxic wigeon]

I'll need a new power supply regardless.

[brave sundial]

When their current asking price is 5090 msrp levels?

[willow schooner]

Id love a smaller case. But I ve had so many headaches (heat and usability wise) over the years with MATX and small ATX that I really just prefer using a massive case that can take 140mm fans everywhere, and a 420 rad

There are 4090s listed at 1600 EUR (I know thats not cheap) locally for me. And I live in a tiny country.

[molten coral]

nah I would be watching it like this

[small zinc]

Yeah 4090's are insanely expensive right now. Let the whole new GPU craze die down. It's launch day, so give it a few months. 4090's will die off in price. And scalpers will be left with 5090/5080's they can't move either Happens every new gen cycle.

[toxic wigeon]

Assuming my rm850x has atx 3 I should be fine temporarily cause haha limit frames.

[small zinc]

850 is fine for a 5080

[toxic wigeon]

I might get the 4090 who the fuck knows.

[brave sundial]

oh I forgot the wide in ultrawide for a sec

[toxic wigeon]

I'll give it a few days when I get some money in.

[small zinc]

Hell, 850 is fine for a 4090 too.

[toxic wigeon]

I wouldn't really want to run the 4090 on 850w.

[willow schooner]

4090 is still an insanely good GPU. But best to try find a good price, or even 2nd hand (Ive seen a few for 1200-1250 EUR locally)

[brave sundial]

But that's nice. I'd massively prefer that over some inconsistent triple setup

[small zinc]

A maxed out 4090 never came close to that 450w that Nviida claimed. An 850w is fine.

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah I found one for 3100 I hope I can get it.

Wait for context. Aud.

[willow schooner]

4090 can also use 85% power target and not lose a drop of performance.

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah though it's still helpful to have headroom just incase.

I'm still kicking myself for not getting one earlier but who fucking knew the 50 series would turn out the way it is.

[brave sundial]

I got arch loaded on wsl with sway(window manager) so with an uw I'd basically be able to have windows and Linux side by side and be able to seamlessly drag and drop files between them

[small zinc]

It's even more efficient than that actually. Can cut the power target literally by 50% and retain 90% performance. Ada is really efficent which means Blackwell won't even remotely come close to their power draw claims.

[willow schooner]

True. I have a Corsair HX1000

[midnight crypt]

Probably want more than 850w if you're running a 13th or 14th gen i9

[willow schooner]

Na, 4090 performance drops like a stone at under 67% power target.

[midnight crypt]

with a 4090 or 5090

[toxic wigeon]

Not wrong there!

[willow schooner]

You need to keep it over 67%

[small zinc]

No need to overclock though. It's silly. An 850w would be more than enough for a 4090 and 14 Intel.

[brave sundial]

one might ask why Nvidia didn't design it like that in the first place then

[small zinc]

Good Power Delivery > Watts.

[brave sundial]

Or was it to be extra safe or something?

[toxic wigeon]

Fuck I don't think I can use it on an rm850x anyways. Don't think it has the pins lol.

[small zinc]

You can. Doesn't have to be ATX3

[toxic wigeon]

I ain't screaming and crying that's for sure.

I don't trust that.

[small zinc]

I don't have an ATX3, and use the 12 pin adapter my GPU came with. Zero issues on my 4090

Had it almost two years now.

ATX3 is nice ot have. Not necessary.

[coarse nimbus]

an engineer tried to do that.... jensen sent a horse head to his bed the next day

[brave sundial]

[ivory creek]

lmao

[brave sundial]

Obviously Jensen has huge investments in the power supply segment of the market

[toxic wigeon]

Oh my bad i was under the impression that the 4090 needed 2 12 pin slots.

[small zinc]

No sir.

Just the one.

[toxic wigeon]

That'd be so funny.

[small zinc]

The 4090 is not nearly as power hungry as everyone made it out to be.

Ada is super efficient

[toxic wigeon]

Little more confident. By the way i got it clarified and yeah it has atx. I just read atx as the board type and had my mind blank.

I don't doubt it's efficient and if you're gonna stress it outs that's for sure but that shits gonna be on a short leash.

[small zinc]

The melting "issues" that journalists tried to make a big deal out of when Nvidia designed the 12 pin connectors came from either piss poor power delivery of cheap power supplies, or people bending the piss out of their connectors

[toxic wigeon]

One big issue in regards to that I heard was lack of feedback when people inserted the pins. Partially also the quality of the cables too. Clearly it was that big of an issue too where nvidia extended their warranties or something?

[small zinc]

Basically the equivalent of trying to shove 90 PSI pressurized fire hose through a kinked hose.

[toxic wigeon]

This isn't a complete fault on the person but at the same time it's oh it should be fine.

Not gonna lie I'm not scared I'm just gonna make sure that shit is in.

[coarse nimbus]

Or the classic "you didnt push the power connector in all the way" move

seems like something youd check on your $2k gpu

[willow schooner]

There were a few issues.

• Sense pins too short
• Sense pins didnt cut power correctly when losing connection
• User error

The first 2 were fixed with 12V-2x6. They made the pins longer, and actually not power the card if there is no contact, or lost contact.

[toxic wigeon]

I couldn't imagine buying an ASUS card and going through that.

Have you heard about the stories people have with nvidia bmac?

[small zinc]

Your Corsair RM850x is really a Seasonic power supply which is pretty top tier power delivery. It's more than sufficient for a 4090 if you get one.

[toxic wigeon]

Apparently it's quite awful.

How they would gaslight you.

[small zinc]

When I look at power supplies, I look to see how many amps are on the 12 volt rail. Anything north of 50+ is to me a great indicator, as well as the actual components they use. Corsair/Seasonic, Superflower, EVGA. Can't ever go wrong with those brands. I know others have come a long way too

[willow schooner]

EVGA make some really shit power supplies

Like REALLY REALLY crap.

[toxic wigeon]

It's really cool how they all specialise making their own parts.

[small zinc]

Doesn't EVGA use SuperFlower?

[toxic wigeon]

And really shit in others.

[small zinc]

Nevermind. Looks liek EVGA used to use Superflower. Didn't realize they moved away from them because of tariffs

My bad.

Disregard EVGA

[willow schooner]

Ive had some good EVGA PSUs, but also seen some really bad ones.

[brave sundial]

I guess they really peaked at being a gpu AIB then

[small zinc]

Kingpin line again when?

Need more insanely overpriced AIB cards on the market

lol

[willow schooner]

For anyone with DLSS overrides not working...you need to hit the 3 dots at the top of the nv app games list, then hit refresh. Once you refresh...games that can work with overrides will allow it (No clue why it doesnt auto refresh)

[ivory creek]

ah yeah thats a good advice, i tried to get it to override for a while but it all kept saying unsupported

so i went to their reddit page

is the j model preset the latest one, im abit confused

?

or should i be using any of the other letters lol

[coarse nimbus]

(No clue why it doesnt auto refresh)
Smol indie company

[willow schooner]

J seems to be the latest model, yeah. Its hella confusing tho

[polar timber]

anyone have problems with new nvidia driver? all greyed out with 4080 an all games crashes everytime

cant change anything in drivers dlss override functions etc

[midnight crypt]

Sounds like the average nvidia experience

[coarse nimbus]

how dare you slander our drivers

we would have better ones but jensen fired the guy in charge of that department

[prime jasper]

so if I haven't installed this abomination, should I just ignore it?

[polar timber]

if u want transformer models ingame i think u need that.

[willow schooner]

#technology message

[pale quartz]

you need to reinstall the nvidia app

[polar timber]

Thank you Guys for help. Problem solved. Reinstall & Refresh^^

[small zinc]

Pretty sad that people are snatching up $5,000 built PC's on Amazon and sold out just to get a 5090. The desperation is real.

[coarse nimbus]

there should be laws against this

[worn phoenix]

some people have all that money and not enough things to spend it on

of course some are just going to resell

[small zinc]

I mean in fairness, bids on ebay going for $4500+ for just 5090's.

with tons of bids. So buying up a fully built prebuilt, turning around and selling your 5090 will essentially get you a free PC

throw in a 4090 or whatever.

I'll give this 6 months to a year to die out. And it will just like every Gen does. Scalpers will be left with stock they can't move.

[serene fable]

im so far behind now.
seeing latest news. I want a 5090 & new pc so bad.
im on a 1070 😬

[coarse nimbus]

finally someone with a worse gpu than me

[serene fable]

would be nice tho lol.
so ive never experienced rtx, ray tracing, dlss and any other goodies modern cards have 😭

i play 2042 on all low lmao 😭

[toxic wigeon]

Oh yeah that'd be a really nice upgrade for you.

[terse glade]

I want 5060 lol

[nocturne drift]

Just reapplied liquid metal on my old pc

Rockit cool Cooper ihs is azz man

[nocturne drift]

The liquid metal was dry af. Reacted to the copper itself prob.

I am now back to the stock intel nickel played ihs

[midnight crypt]

I thought you weren't supposed to expose copper to LM

[prime jasper]

I think aluminum is the no no

[worn phoenix]

buy a 40 series, they actually exist

[pale quartz]

for now*

that wont be for long since they stopped production

[willow schooner]

Did they stop prodyction of the 4090?

[midnight crypt]

Pretty sure they did that awhile ago

[willow schooner]

I thought it was just the 4070 and lower stuff

[pale quartz]

all ada is ceased

[willow schooner]

Damn, RIP the 5080ti Super (4090)

[pale quartz]

yup

[willow schooner]

surely Nvidia will prepare something to sit inbetween them...with 4090 production halted.

[molten flame]

384-bit Blackwell when

[nocturne drift]

Bruh. After reliquid metal I can get my old 10850k 5.1ghz all core stable.

So I have been running my old pc slower than it should for years

[gritty summit]

Hi, can i run Battlefield V on my Acer Nitro V ANV15-41-R7ZB?

[ivory creek]

try it and if it runs horribly ask for a refund

[fallen totem]

can someone please help me ive been stuck on the battlefield 5 lauching screen forever and it just closes after i boot the game up each time once it reaches full i just want to play the game man ive deleted and reinstalled it 5 times now can anyone please help me

[prime jasper]

5 times?

[willow schooner]

Where is this from?

[pale quartz]

https://www.dsogaming.com/news/smooth-motion-is-nvidias-answer-to-amds-fluid-motion-frames/

[terse glade]

Yea what about my 20s series support tho 😠

[final hatch]

that 5070 is what you want

[terse glade]

But super fluid

[final hatch]

idk how i feel about this.

How many more frames they gonna create!?

Games are going to have to adapt

i hate it because that is where everyone is headed. Too big to stop

super annoying

i feel ya

[midnight crypt]

People buy em anyways

Could be 1% better and people would still buy em

[small zinc]

Here's the thing. People are going to empty their wallets no matter how much it costs. MSRP being $2,000. AIB Cards $2500+. And right now because it's new and shiny, scalpers hocking for $4,000+. It doesn't matter if it cost $10k. They would still be gone. Maybe not so much by us "regular folk" consumers, but something Deco and I can actually agree on for once, is that the 5090 is really "Titan Ada/Blackwell" brought back. It's for prosumers for all the AI crap that none of us really care about. But the problem is, Nvidia knows exactly what they're doing, they slap a Geforce RTX sticker on the box, and suddenly all the neckbeards need it because "its the best" just to see their stupid synthetic benchmarks go up in 3DMark.

Scalpers with purchase bots are going to ensure supply stays low, and on top that companies with endless wallets are going to snatch up any remaining supply, likely directly from Nvidia for their compute needs.

AMD has straight given up in the high end GPU market, because honestly that's not where the money is, and frankly a halfway decent business decision. The 5090 isn't designed for gamers, but because they have zero competition at this level, they can charge whatever they want for it and they will.

Sure. They certainly said "AI" no less than 27934 times in their 10 minute presentation.

"Gamers" don't care about any of that obviously

They want to see their frame rates go up, because at the end of the day, rasterization is, and will always be king

How many FPS does this thing do.

[midnight crypt]

Their AI marketing speak is aimed at different people and not to us plebs

[small zinc]

AMD and Nvidia have shifted focus. PC gaming isn't "dying" per se as AI is now going to be behind development of video games. This is just unfortunately the new direction that we have to get onboard with.

I do think that Nvidia has kind of lost touch with reality with their consumers.

But both AMD and Nvidia have been anti-consumer for quite a while now

All started with COVID

[midnight crypt]

Meh they've gone way beyond caring about their regular consumers ages ago

[small zinc]

Jensen knows damn well that "gamers" are still going to buy the latesest and greatest because xx90 is the highest number in the product line, so therefore must be the best.

Just sucks every time there's a new product launch, very few consumers who got one are actually going to use the GPU they bought. Instead is all about the purchase bot community to snatch up any avaialble stock the very second anything becomes available, to ensure nobody can buy one themselves and scalp for unreasonable prices. I can't fault people for doing it. It works. Basic Supply and Demand at its finest.

Fortunately, it only works for so long before scummy scalpers are left with an inventory they can't move anymore and are forced to sell below what they paid.

That's where we come in. Just have to play the patience game for however long it takes. Whether those here can actually afford to buy a 5090, or go the much more reasonable upgrade route with 5080's and below.

I used to be a huge DIY nerd and loved building my own PC's. But in the scalper realm, I do love pre-built PC's with high end hardware, because scalpers can't get to all of them. It ends up messing up the GPU economy for them big time.

[brave sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/nvidia-jensen-huang-the-more-you-buy-the-more-you-save-keynote-2018-gif-12315008507302833354

[ivory creek]

didnt someone point out that if they had bougt stocks in nvidia for the same amount of an rtx 4090 instead of an actual rtx 4090 they couldve used the money to buy 10 of them after

before this dip

lol

[worn phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoUSCbuSBUQ truly magical

[valid abyss]

Magical

[shy star]

I went from nVidia 95(98?)00, GTX460 to GTX 470 to GTX980 all the way up to a RTX3090 nowadays, worth the wait...Dò stìll regret buying 3090 over OC / Super / TI!

Everything Gigabyte Aorus.
Just yesterday I have enjoyed Playing ...

3090, 5800x3D, x570, 3733Mhz 32GB, two 2TB Samsung 970 EVO Plus.

@Friday Night Battefield with DICE and EA.

[shy star]

Yeah, a new system will be replacing mine...when a new one is at the very least 60% more powerful...preferably 120%.
Preferably a setup allowing to play each title with 240FPS low 1% and in 4 or 8K resolution....preferably 500Hz capable ìn high resolution.

Right now I got a setup which won't even kéép FPS above one hundred in FHD let alone it's promised inglorious supported high resolution.

For me...I wouldn't even care it being 32K capable, if the framerates Low's are at 200 or lower...I simply lose interest with regards to gaming.

[ivory creek]

i also have a 5800x3d and 3090, its a solid system

ive decided not to upgrade untill rtx 6000 series release

[autumn basin]

At that point bro, just enlist..

[molten flame]

RTX 6080 will only be 10% faster than 5080 and will use DLSS 5.0

[ivory creek]

dlss is awesome, framegen not so much

i can also skip raytracing, if amd come up with a real competitor to dlss i wouldnt mind buying their cards instead

[molten flame]

FSR4 first time they had a chance against DLSS but I think the quality will only compete against DLSS 3

[dapper saffron]

if the baseline fps is okayish like 50-60 turning fg on will add more smoothness with slight or negligible latency

i actually like framegen

[ivory creek]

youve bought a rtx 4 or 5 series card now?

[dapper saffron]

no i use fg on my 30 series which is not a thing because it is done by amd apu of mine

[ivory creek]

okey

[dapper saffron]

and i use fg in last of us part 1, black myth wukong, cyberpunk

stalker ii

[dapper saffron]

but if only that multi frame gen was for 30 and 20 series

newer one is better

[worn phoenix]

dlss = yeeesss woooo yeahhhh
frame gen = boooo nooo get out

[dapper saffron]

i like both

[ivory creek]

i wonder how the fake frames look if u take a screenshot at one of them, wouldnt a diffused picture make you aim worse if it doesnt make you see a correctly presented image

[worn phoenix]

yeah that's one of the biggest issues, you get loads of artifacting with poor implementation

[dapper saffron]

in single players games i am fine with it

[worn phoenix]

smearing and all that

[dapper saffron]

in multiplayer nope

[dapper saffron]

https://youtu.be/BqtRPViQSoU

18:52-21:42

check it out

[ivory creek]

ah was about to ask

its a very long video

[dapper saffron]

that is why i mentioned the time it is interesting

[worn phoenix]

60fps latency

that's the problem with frame generation

[toxic wigeon]

What's even the point of frame gen.,

[worn phoenix]

looks all nice and good but is always going to feel like what it's actually running at

[toxic wigeon]

All I see it is something to top up your monitors refresh rate and or take pictures with.

When you're barely edging it at say 140 frames with a 165 HZ display.

[terse glade]

Excatly

They show 150fps but latency is same as 60fps on native

Get the hell out

[worn phoenix]

yeah that's the only time i use it, when my frames are already high and i just want a bit of extra smoothness

which is another issue, if your framerate is high enough for frame gen then you don't even really need it in the first place

[terse glade]

THAT

[dapper saffron]

yeah that extra smoothness is what i love i get it there is latency but the latency is not like always not manageable i can be fine with slight latency but sometimes the latency is almost same as the fg turned off

[worn phoenix]

i fucking love this

because gamers care about big fps number

[ivory creek]

now i wanna watch matrix again for like the 500th time, damn you

[dapper saffron]

to me that frame numbers doesnt matter what matters is the smoothness

[worn phoenix]

same i watched a few clips recently and it's just so good

hugo weaving was the perfect casting

[brave sundial]

Because it's how they got evaluated to the trillion

[ivory creek]

i just read that some governments are blocking deepseek tho

if everyone does that their future is screwed

idk i didnt read into it much but they claimed it poses a security risk

idk

apparently userdata from people who used deepseek were open to everyone

[brave sundial]

I guess they'll force platforms like huggingface to take down their models or only take down the deepseek app and website, the ones that run on their servers anyways.

https://www.rxddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1if43uf/_/

[brave sundial]

and this is why competition is good

[ivory creek]

the government i read about was italy or something like that, not usa

[brave sundial]

it has good uses

I'm just happy we're getting to a stage where we, the consumers actually have access to tech like this and not the 1% elite

even though the most I can run on my gpu are 7B models

[dapper saffron]

i love these ai like chatgpt, perplexity
and now deepseek

[brave sundial]

Perplexity is nice, they offered web search for like 2 years before OpenAI did to everyone

I heard deepseek are about to release an image model too, that interests me

[ivory creek]

i wonder if elons brainimplants will become more regular and get more uses like enabling us to think as fast as an ai with unlimited information. it would be scary if it only became available to the top rich people and make the gaps impossible to repair tho

[brave sundial]

DALL-E is so behind

[brave sundial]

UI when

uploaded intelligence. Uploading your conscience into a data centre and working there forever

I'm totally not using this as a segway to talk about a cool show that's centred around this

[dapper saffron]

i think dude who is ceo of perplexity ai also worked in open ai
this guy Aravind Srinivas

yes i checked he did

[brave sundial]

https://youtu.be/z_HJ3TSlo5c

Yeah that tech is still quite some years off

Just like quantum computing

[ivory creek]

someone had a succesfull implementation i think, could play chess with his mind alone

or was that something else

[brave sundial]

I mean he always was one

He just hid it and wasn't open about it

He was raised by parents that fully believed that idealogy is all I can say

Yeah fair, far from being the betterment of mankind at all

[ivory creek]

lol

how is shooting people civilized

but whatever

[brave sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-we-used-to-kill-people-with-hammers-for-saying-things-like-that-kill-people-with-hammers-hammers-gif-28854509168023063

[worn phoenix]

It's not ideal but some people don't understand anything else

[viral willow]

lol

[terse glade]

im downloading now new nvidia driver with dlss 4

you guys think i see difference with my 2080s?

[ivory creek]

the new dlss got noticably less shimmering and ghosting so for sure

[dapper saffron]

yeah it is stable in image quality

[ivory creek]

in bf2042 i used to get this weird flickering of the ramp in the mainmenu but its gone now with the new dlss

[pale quartz]

yes you will

you need to update the games directly though in addition

rdna4 drivers being rushed and unfinished, unsurprisingly

[willow schooner]

Lmao...so broken video encode/decode again.

[brave sundial]

[worn phoenix]

the problem of tolerance

maybe they should think twice about their ideals if they don't want others to be intolerant lol

[prime jasper]

and if you did start lashing out at it with violence, that would be their impetus to take the gloves off.

[wet notch]

you guys aware this is #technology

[prime jasper]

At least we aren't posting scam links

[dapper saffron]

yes

[midnight crypt]

Would be better tbh

[prime jasper]

I'm not grandstanding you bruh. Violence isn't good. It's necessary sometimes, but not good. Ever.

[wet notch]

both sides say this

and in the middle are rest of us

trying to live life

[prime jasper]

assaulting them is not the solution.

[dapper saffron]

about violence and hate buddha's teachings are nice

[wet notch]

because it doesnt matter what flag you're flying if you are unreasonable

[quick locust]

ah yes, tech chat

[dapper saffron]

this discussion is all about multi frame gen and dlss4

[wet notch]

i tried to tell them before, but they don't care like usually

the same crowd getting around the rules arguing topics not allowed to be discussed but changes words to avoid getting caught

and people wonder why mods dont hang around users anymore

i suggest keeping this channel to #technology, but that's just me

[quick locust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fks3PBodyiE

[prime jasper]

gonna see how MSFS 2024 is holding up before my game pass expires. i doubt they fixed shit.

[quick locust]

I hope i get dx12 support

sometime

[wet notch]

after the way he talked to me, whats the point?

dude you dont get it

as soon as someone starts insulting me, that person is not worth talking to

if one cant be civil in here, dont even talk to me

again, this is tech channel

[molten flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aOICtMyKTk

footage of 5090 laptop

[wet notch]

i got flashbanged

[dapper saffron]

remember turn off your computer after work

[wet notch]

especially when i work from home

[coarse nimbus]

"occasionally exploding" like thats normal

[midnight crypt]

Automated commentary goes hard

[wet notch]

i saw prices for 5090

yikes

more than my entire pc

[dapper saffron]

if only it was cheap

[molten flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/222060964319723521/1335229166160842813/image.png?ex=679f6890&is=679e1710&hm=abffb7ab1fbd56680856176579d258d88778677cf67e59d9fe0b497e97b0cdad&

even Snowden has nothing good to say about RTX 5000 series

[brave sundial]

is this legit rn

didn't know eddy was one of us gamers

[wet notch]

if you want the 32gb version its like $2,499 😄

[coarse nimbus]

cant afford 2499... what are you poor?

[civic talon]

What fps are you guys getting with rtx 4070 and ryzen 5 7500f? or something similar? (Ultra settings, DLSS, no Raytracing)

[zealous frigate]

Who cares about nvidia? Buy AMD. They also open source their drivers.

And they play better with Linux

[pale quartz]

..?

[molten flame]

seems like bait

[civic talon]

yeah i dont think thats true

[brave sundial]

well they're open source, that's for sure..

[coarse nimbus]

when the bait is too baity

christ a 4460 was that only a dual core?

[molten flame]

quad core

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-smooth-motion-technology-an-alternative-to-amd-fluid-motion-frames-is-also-coming-to-geforce-rtx-40-series

[frail rivet]

snowden was having arguments and flamewars over virtua fighter and tekken on arstechnica decades ago, that said even if what the tweet says is true, we can't trust it actually came from him ever since he got effectively kidnapped by russia

[snow jacinth]

?????

[frail rivet]

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/06/nsa-leaker-ed-snowdens-life-on-ars-technica/

[terse glade]

My boy

[terse glade]

And did it improved?

[prime jasper]

Doesn’t fix the core problem of the game: most of the game’s scenery data is streamed, not local. Plus most of the stuttering I was getting, apparently, is the result of live traffic…again dependent on streaming data. It looked gorgeous though

[terse glade]

Hmm seems like i stay on msfs20 then

Its beautiful enough for me

[prime jasper]

I'm going to install 2020 right now and give it a go. the trailer for 24 lured me in with the tornado and the missions, but the missions suck and I haven't seen a tornado anywhere.

RIP storage

at least this time i have 1gbps cable now. before i had 300 mbps lte with a dogshit signal. installing this game took all day

[terse glade]

Definitely get the fenix mod as well with it. Its so worth it

Much more immersive

[prime jasper]

and....2020 just ctd each time i reach the menu. cool.

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-instinct-mi400-chiplet-design-to-feature-new-multimedia-io-dies

[worn phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt5jsXiZ7EY

shockingly good

[pale quartz]

it's not at 360p

that's just the internal render resolution

[worn phoenix]

yeah i'm aware

thanks

[molten flame]

it's dying

[quick locust]

Radeon 9000 series wins over Nvidia 5000 series

[midnight crypt]

👴

[prime jasper]

I know what card to bring back in time to 2003 then.

but fuck, Comanche 4 was awesome. I miss that game.

[prime jasper]

that genuinely made me smile. thank you

I think I still have a bunch of my old 90s early 2000s hardware in a box in my parent's garage. I should rummage through that and try to figure out what hardware I used to have.

Ok. actual tech question time: anyone use a VR headset for a simulator (specifically DCS, but anything would work) and have a recommendation?

probably just going to go with the quest 3 unless there's a reason not to

[pale quartz]

quest 3 is the best you can get for the price essentially

be aware that if you are running a multi monitor setup and try and connect a quest 3 you won't be able to use the maximum amount of bandwidth because DSC will occupy 1 of the 2 headers, so you'll need a Blackwell card if you want to resolve this

[prime jasper]

as in...another monitor in addition to my primarily display, or does my primary display count as a second display when I have the quest hooked up.

[pale quartz]

1+1 monitor configs (excl the Q3), the VR display will count as a secondary display so you will be locked out of DLDSR and other stuff as normal because of header limits

[prime jasper]

but if I just want to use it purely in flight with no extra monitor, my 4070 ti will be ok I'm assuming. i'd like to avoid a $1500 video card purchase lol

if I can even find one for $1500. if i can even find one period.

[pale quartz]

yes, it'll be fine, well assuming the monitor is not some Uber high end resolution + refresh rate

the headers are doubled on Blackwell so this issue is resolved but it's not possible to do on older GPU series's

[prime jasper]

it's 2560x1440, 180 hz. but truthfully i don't need to be running it at that if I've got my head covered

[pale quartz]

1440p/180 is fine enough

take it into consideration if you ever want to switch the monitor in the future (or get another etc), but for now you're perfectly ok

[prime jasper]

nice. thank you. the first bomb i drop in VR will be dedicated to you.

[pale quartz]

no worries

ada Lovelace supports av1 encoding so you'll be able to use that with the quest 3 in addition

[prime jasper]

I'm sending a love letter to my 12 year old self. buying a new hotas and under-desk mounts for it. hoping to feel that magic I did playing Jane's USNF as a kid.

[terse glade]

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/the-crown-is-back-galax-launches-geforce-rtx-5080-hof-oc-lab-edition

might be a while before there is a 5090 HOF

[digital hill]

My god the myths are true

its now the size of an engine carburetor

[coarse nimbus]

it had so much torque it twisted the chassis off the line

[cloud solar]

So my rig just randomly restarted as I was trying to change my voice chat settings from open mic to push to talk. Any ideas?
I was plugged in and had power. I checked temps and they looked fine. Cpu at ideal is 5%. Thought it was weird.

[toxic wigeon]

Can't find a 4090 rip me lol

5080 it is.

https://youtu.be/D_sVNuOg74c?si=b3YJLnNBmXuR61oI

I know OC'ing is in itself scary but goddamn dude.

[neon parrot]

what do you even play that you need a 4090?

[prime jasper]

it's called being a conspicuous consumer

[molten flame]

https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/1886221232674070781?t=neN_CMpWeu7sOoAppX9M2Q&s=19

The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) on X

Chip Stocks Overnight:

1. Super Micro, $SMCI: -8.8%
2. Nvidia, $NVDA: -7.0%
3. Arm, $ARM: -6.2%
4. Broadcom, $AVGO: -6.0%
5. Micron, $MU: -5.1%
6. AMD, $AMD: -4.5%
7. Taiwan Semi, $TSM: -4.0%
8. Intel, $INTC: -3.0%

Chip stocks have now erased over $1.5 TRILLION in combined

X · Feb 3, 2025, 1:12 AM

[brave sundial]

good time to buy in

[toxic wigeon]

I'm genuinely considering that.

I've noticed that apple has dropped too.

But it's the off season so it's not surprising?

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/uk-retailer-expects-next-geforce-rtx-5090-shipments-in-3-to-16-weeks

[brave sundial]

not overclockers

then again I can't afford one so why am I caring

[molten flame]

https://tenor.com/view/treat-yo-self-relax-indulge-buy-things-for-yourselfspend-donna-meagle-gif-15654756

[brave sundial]

I wish

Just need to get a new job after my last one layed me off. Till then I can't do much with my low end-ish amd build

[dusk relic]

Hiya!

[jovial hamlet]

Hey

[dusk relic]

Y'all like building computers?

[prime jasper]

It's a lot of fun every 6 years when I can affor dit

[dusk relic]

Lol

[worn phoenix]

yes

hoping to build a second one with spare parts soon

[dusk relic]

I built my first last june

[brave sundial]

Well I'd assume people in the #technology channel enjoy interacting with said technology, yes

[worn phoenix]

nice, what specs

[dusk relic]

Bio :3

[ocean canopy]

nowadays not at all lmao

especially GPUs are just turn up the slider until it crashes

[dusk relic]

Lol yeah

I used to daily drive 3000mhz vram lol

[worn phoenix]

very nice

[ivory creek]

all overclocking i do to my gpu is to turn up the power and temp limit to max and let the gpu overclock itself