technology

[brave sundial]

Yeah Krafton seems to be a good publisher all things considered

Callisto was a flop from Schofield's decisions mostly

And boasting that it will make EA quiver in their boots lmao

[pale quartz]

they've said they'll probably lose money on the next game which is as transparent as it gets

[brave sundial]

And then after callisto flopped and half of striking distance got layed off he went to EA and begged to be greenlit dead space 4

[cursive marten]

...I forgot Krafton still existed

[brave sundial]

https://www.eurogamer.net/dead-space-4-plans-shot-down-by-ea-earlier-this-year

[cursive marten]

still sucks that EA shot down Alice: Asylum.

[brave sundial]

It absolutely was because Schofield was pitching

[cursive marten]

like, they didn't need to do that

[brave sundial]

McGree was treated like shit man

[cursive marten]

like, man spent years writing up a whole ass design document about it

[brave sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-ceo-greedy-it's-my-ip-to-sit-on-and-do-nothing-with-quotes-gif-9030845093140833346

[cursive marten]

man goes to EA with all that and they're still like "nah"

"we're just going to keep not doing anything with the Alice IP, thanks though"

no wonder he just stopped having anything to do with game development

i'd quit too.

[brave sundial]

[candid flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-9070-non-xt-tested-in-cod-bo6-99-fps-on-average-at-4k-extreme-settings-without-fsr

[terse glade]

👀

[brave sundial]

COD is pretty amd biased isn't it

Best to compare with benchmarks of other amd cards

5070 will at the least lol

[candid flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmIpLgTYt2g
He made a comparison with his 7900xt

9070 gets a ~30-40% improvement

[brave sundial]

[candid flame]

https://fxtwitter.com/naranciagaming/status/1876545351928381742

[small zinc]

https://www.ign.com/articles/ces-2025-everything-announced

"ASUS makes some of the best gaming monitors on the planet, and at CES 2025 it announced the ROG Swift OLED PG27UCDM. The PG27UCDM boats a 27-inch, 4th generation QD-OLED display, with a 4K resolution and 240Hz refresh rate, and claims to be the “world’s first” 4K QD-OLED 27-inch monitor."

Except Alienware has had this for a while now....lmao. Not remotely the first.

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/alienware-27-360hz-qd-oled-gaming-monitor-aw2725df/apd/210-bljd/monitors-monitor-accessories

oh and 360 hz....

[coarse nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/jail-right-to-jail-right-away-parks-and-recreation-parks-and-rec-gif-16177531

This is what needs to happen to you

[candid flame]

oh shit I didn't realize it has sound

[coarse nimbus]

[terse glade]

hahaha

thats how i imagine it tbh

but we will see

[pale quartz]

https://x.com/hardwarecanucks/status/1877040983780499916?s=19 actual result

Hardware Canucks (@hardwarecanucks) on X

For reference, here are our results (tested today) w/ the in-game benchmark, 4K Extreme, all other items (FSR, DLSS, VRS, etc) disabled w/ 9800X3D:

RTX 4090 - 93 FPS
RTX 4080S - 70 FPS
7900 XTX - 85 FPS
7900 XT - 73 FPS

Something is going on to inflate the IGN result

Twitter · Jan 8, 2025, 5:13 PM

[willow schooner]

It's a 1440p screen

[pale quartz]

depends on what one you're looking at

it can be fine but if the curvature is too extreme it causes colour warping

[molten flame]

https://x.com/BasedBeffJezos/status/1877124385141588366?t=kcXakSf83VOO0JxqEauJeQ&s=19

Beff – e/acc (@BasedBeffJezos) on X

Jensen literally one-shotted quantum stocks 💀⚛️

Twitter · Jan 8, 2025, 10:45 PM

He said the quantum industry is decades away from profitability because computers are simply not powerful enough

Just saying, Nortel said the same thing about the internet, look what happened

[pale quartz]

he's correct lol

they don't make any money

[molten flame]

Google and IBM are full steam ahead, and the academic world is going hard

[willow schooner]

INB4 Nvidia buys them once their price tanks 😛

[midnight crypt]

Probably what they will do

[pale quartz]

yeah but that doesn't = profit lol

it's very much a loss making industry there's no money being made currently

[brave sundial]

If I'm getting a smaller monitor like 27 I'd get it flat

for ultrawide I'd get curved

[turbid verge]

Not supposed to at this point. Most of it is still research and applied theory.

We still maybe a decade till a proper quantum computer is completed and do some actual work

[pale quartz]

yup

[small zinc]

You right. I concede. Alienware has the 32" OLED 4K monitor.

So ASUS might actually have the "worlds first" 27" OLED 4K

[surreal aurora]

Is there a game recorder for PC, for example, that has some artificial intelligence that detects when you die in the game and automatically ends the recording and when you are born somewhere on the map, it automatically starts recording again? I ask this because I currently use the AMD program which is very good but every time I am born or die during the game, I have to keep pressing the keys to record and end the recording which makes things tiring

[brave sundial]

I feel like something like that could only be handled internally by the game when tracking deaths and spawns

But no, something like that would be hard to implement, we aren't really at that stage yet I'd say

[small zinc]

But am I going to be gimpy and go to Microcenter with my friend on the 30th to buy a 5090?

Yes.

[ivory creek]

I wanna see performance of the new cards without any dlss or rtx feature enabled

[willow schooner]

Far Cry in the slides they show

About 20-30% faster

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/worlds-fastest-gaming-laptops-with-amd-ryzen-9-9955hx3d-and-geforce-rtx-5090-announced-up-to-280w-power

280W laptops

[toxic wigeon]

https://youtu.be/_3iHV0NvLPI?si=GtWKS_FsJC1qZOuY

[prime jasper]

the sound of the fans when it boots up

[toxic wigeon]

suction

[molten flame]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/468358707890094081/1327081893736218695/2DD2B451-9E78-42E7-9156-AD8877DF42BE.png?ex=6781c4d3&is=67807353&hm=d41e540573304f47a4a99d552d31458fcbeaab6376fade2bb4b1b4e2f1b9e487&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

not wrong

[toxic wigeon]

I'm genuinely curious to see how much staying power the 50 series will have.

I keep on saying it but for all the pain ai causes I think dlss 4 will be a good application of it.

[cursive marten]

why make it so the GPU can actually render more frames if they can just AI generate fake frames.

[toxic wigeon]

Wait I'm not talking about frame gen.

I'm talking about taking the load off the gpu.

I'll specify.

I think using ai cores to render graphics is actually good as it means you can do well, more.

[cursive marten]

...AW REALLY?

YOU REMOVED THE COPYPASTA?

Come on.

fucking bullshit.

[toxic wigeon]

Who

I don't do shit.

[cursive marten]

I donno, someone.

Still, that sucks.

[prime jasper]

my credo

[burnt coyote]

embed plz

https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/9/24339817/vlc-player-automatic-ai-subtitling-translation

[quick locust]

https://x.com/iamkylehansen/status/1877510889596735927

Kyle (@iamkylehansen) on X

Sorry everyone. My CES coverage will be delayed. Having some house issues. #eatonfire #altadenafire

Twitter · Jan 10, 2025, 12:20 AM

[brave sundial]

https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/9/24339817/vlc-player-automatic-ai-subtitling-translation

[burnt coyote]

ty

[brave sundial]

I do prefer mpv but this is nice

[small zinc]

5090 is 27% faster than a 4090.

Just raw compute/rasterization. No DLSS.

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-versus-rtx-4090-how-does-the-new-halo-gpu-compare-with-its-predecessor

Pretty good writeup

[digital hill]

But requires a 1000w psu

and draws 575w

Actually minimum 1000w psu, get 1500w

[midnight crypt]

Hopefully it's like the 4090 where it doesn't actually pull it's rated wattage when gaming

[small zinc]

Nvidia said the 4090 would draw 450 watts

when in reality only about 300

So I don't expect the 5090 to draw anywhere near the 575w

Not to mention, you can detune the 4090 and 5090 in MSI afterburner or any tuning software by almost half and still retain 90% performance

Ada is pretty efficient. Blackwell isn't any different architecturally. Still same TSMC 5nm transistors.

[molten flame]

TSMC N4 vs N4P

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/284794210974957569/1327298525847093288/Screenshot_20250110_152507_Chrome.png?ex=67828e94&is=67813d14&hm=3bb76a3632575e74f9655dfdb4867c4f3f7ef9b81d7c051605cea23f66f43729&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1320&height=671

[small zinc]

Eh. All that is is a slight boost to IPC

Same node

Which further proves in my opinion that the 5090 ain’t no 575 watt card

Just goes to show how far Intel is behind though

Since AMD has given up on the high end GPU sector, I’m hoping Intel will eventually bring that fight to Nvidia. Battlemage is pretty impressive for what it is, and XESS is leagues ahead of FSR.

[prime jasper]

i'm not buying shit until people have been using them

my 4070 will last that length of time

hell. may make it to the 60 series

[small zinc]

Oh to be clear, as a 4090 owner, this is a 100% pointless purchase

But I’m also gimpy

And buy gimpy s**t

[small zinc]

Oh im good on that.

🙂

[midnight crypt]

Yes and no

[willow schooner]

depends on the i5

5700x is somewhere between a 12600k and a 13600k performance wise in gaming.

[dry pike]

Like take this comparison. Easily several hundred procentages of performance improvements.

[willow schooner]

What is A3?

Probably

[midnight crypt]

Arma 3 doesn't run well base line on any hardware

[candid flame]

get arma reforger

it's better optimized

and there are a lot of mod to make it more like arma 3

pretty sure someone ported the map to reforger

[molten flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/222060964319723521/1327460018504601650/IMG_3872.png?ex=678324fb&is=6781d37b&hm=17b76920d0eed21cbf3d88a399c279243ed1d219065de9604c576e6cc043f622&

timespy extreme scores

[surreal aurora]

I asked this question because in many places there is already artificial intelligence, for example in 2042 itself there are bots but their artificial intelligence is generally horrible for a big game like 2042, the least the developers should have done is good artificial intelligence

[willow schooner]

They did, but devs made them dumber and worse, because players complained about them at launch lmao

[midnight crypt]

Don't even think he could kill a bot if they were slightly better

[burnt coyote]

most players are bots anyway

well they die like them

[small zinc]

So that 5070 is 4090 performance huh?

lol

"Oh wait, we meant with DLSS 4 and 3x the AI generated frames, it matches 4090"

Not that I like stupid synthetic benchmarks like 3DMARK because it has no bearing on real world performance whatsoever, but even that shows a 5080 doesn't match a 4090

[midnight crypt]

Nvidia lying?

No way dude

[molten flame]

5070 is probably between 4070Ti and 4070Ti Super in raw gaming without RT

[midnight crypt]

[brave sundial]

https://youtu.be/RVQnbJb_vjI

I guess they were just that scared of DLSS 4 and didn't show this at their presentation

[small zinc]

Love Nvidia's own interpretations of things. ALways love keynote speeches that hype stuff up more than it actually is. Jensen saying a 5070 matches a 4090 because of a bunch of generated frames using DLSS against a 4090 raw rasterization is about the equivalent of me being able to lift as much as Arnold Swarzenegger in his prime when I get to use one of those exo suits that's already in production to help factory workers.

[molten flame]

Not surprising that AMD had to give in to using AI/ML hardware to finally make FSR look good

[small zinc]

Or a 90's Honda Civic hopped up with a bunch of forced induction turbos and a fart box muffler is faster than a naturally aspirated Lamborghini.

It's a pretty fair comparison right?

😄

[midnight crypt]

Wasn't FSR 3 supposed to get a huge update with AI though

[surreal aurora]

Speaking of killing bots, when I'm playing and I see an enemy tank in the distance and then I take some kind of RPG or bazooka and destroy the tank but when I see that I killed several bots that were inside the tank, the fact that you kill several bots instead of real players, it is something very discouraging

[small zinc]

Digital Foundry does good work

If that's all true which i do trust DF, then AMD is really onto something there

[brave sundial]

They had to increase it by 1 to make it look like they've caught up with Nvidia obviously

[small zinc]

Here's the thing though. Just buy Lossless Scaling on Steam for $5, and everyone here can also have DLSS 4/FSR 4 that works on every game ever and has existed well before Blackwell/RDNA 4

[brave sundial]

lossless scaling is awful compared to those

[midnight crypt]

Fairly certain lossless scaling doesn't compete with them in any way

[small zinc]

It works extremely well for many games

[midnight crypt]

other than working on everything

[small zinc]

I mean...Lossless Scaling is a extremely valuable tool when games don't support FSR/DLSS.

[brave sundial]

Well sure, I guess it does 'work' for many games

[surreal aurora]

The good thing is that in 2042, for example, you can easily differentiate real players because when the player is a bot, at the end of their name there are two letters "ai" or "ia" and you can also notice them by their default behavior, which is honestly even a something that is painful to see

[small zinc]

It isn't a direct competitor to DLSS obviously. In fact you can still enable both. Can't deny games like Cyberpunk or Black Myth Wukong which are obviously super graphically intensive games improves frame rate by over 50% without any noticeable loss in visual fidelity.

That's pretty significant

[brave sundial]

With latency that makes it look like you're streaming the game from Mars

[small zinc]

Sure, latency can be a drawback. Increased frame rate > slight penalty to latency.

Black Myth Wukong is horribly optimized

and as long as its been out, they haven't addressed that at all

CD Projekt Red has at least fixed most of the issues with CP 2077.

[brave sundial]

slight?

[small zinc]

Yeah I think you over exaggerate. Can the latency increase be felt? Yes. Can it be mitigated by using a controller instead? Yes. Increased fluidity > latency hit.

[tacit compass]

dont know what latency everyone talk about, never felt anything getting worse, its only get more responsive and faster

[small zinc]

Creating artifacting. I personally don't recommend using apps like Lossless Scaling on TOP of using DLSS/FSR.

But Lossless Scaling is great for games that don't have it

[tacit compass]

ah I neer tried those, some people claim DLSS (FG) adds latency but I never experienced such and seen not a single proof

[molten flame]

higher framerates means lower response times and makes the game "faster" unless you're talking about fake frames

[small zinc]

Think of it like this. Remember when motion smoothing was a thing on televisions? It was a fake way of generating 120 hz or 240 hz (which doesn't actually exist). You could notice a cartoony effect so to speak.

[tacit compass]

I will start Cyberpunk right now and see with fake frames and without which feels better

[tacit compass]

dont remember

well with fake frames better, definitely not worse. If it works it works, idc if its fake or not

[midnight crypt]

Game should look smoother with FG and feel a bit more sluggish with FG

[tacit compass]

yeap (sluggish nope)

[midnight crypt]

But if you're not sensitive to input latency it doesn't really matter

[tacit compass]

literally no difference. Some russian channel even did tests and latency was not increased

They used slowmotion camera

[tacit compass]

the thing is I am sensitive

I am just kinda done with people talking this no sense without any single proof. Sounds like copium for those who can't afford high end PC and nvidia. Or those who selected Radeon

[cloud lake]

your not AliceCore

[sage cedar]

no

[cloud lake]

Oh god your here

[pale quartz]

it is a fact lol

you cannot have interpolation and not have additional latency, it's just maths, NV have done a excellent job with multi frame generation because it's using predictive guesstimation of the frames ahead to minimise the difference, but it is not true to say there isn't a input latency difference

[cursive marten]

they make the GPU's fucking massive but the best they can do is offer more fake frames?

[willow schooner]

5090 is tiny tho

[molten flame]

Will be hard to get a 5090 FE

[cursive marten]

i've seen video of a 5070 or something and it's bigger than an ITX board what do you mean

[willow schooner]

The 5090 is a medium sized 2 slot card

Can hardly blame nvidia if AIBs are terrible at designing coolers

[molten flame]

5090 FE can fit in most SFF cases

Though idk if there is a SFX PSU that has ATX 3.0

[pale quartz]

5090 is a 2 slot card that is SFF compatible lol

it's the first card that's engineered to be that tiny but output that amount of heat

[willow schooner]

Jensen for scale

[cursive marten]

I swear to god I saw a video of a fucking massive triple fan 5070 that was bigger than an ITX motherboard. I cannot find that video now because I can't remember which server it was posted to.

[pale quartz]

aib cards are not similar to reference cards

they're always bigger

[cursive marten]

Okay.

[willow schooner]

The 5090 design is actually amazing TBH. It could dramatically improve repairability of GPUs, both in manufacturing, and for the end user (If that design were to be adopted/become popular)

[cursive marten]

500 fake frames.

[willow schooner]

God you are unplesent to talk around

[cursive marten]

I said ONE THING

[willow schooner]

Youre like a parrot, you just repeat the same 4 statements over and over

[cursive marten]

Fucking chill, dude.

[brave sundial]

Impressively tiny

I can get why people laughed at that guy who usually gets Nvidia stuff right on twitter

[modern gull]

Pretty small to be 90 👀

[brave sundial]

2 slot 5090 sounded like a fantasy to us back then lol

[modern gull]

Isn't the chip like just a small square now too?

[cursive marten]

i mean it'll still be a fantasy, that shit will be scalped fucking instantly.

[willow schooner]

I also assumed 5090 cooler would be big, especially with their prototype cooler leak ages ago (the one GN has now)

[pale quartz]

yeah the pcb was shrunk

[modern gull]

Pretty cool and well done imo

[pale quartz]

there's the 5090 inside a case

[modern gull]

Damn, might even be smaller than my 4070tis, in height at least

[modern gull]

[cursive marten]

Black Mesa card or whatever
half life 3 confirmed

[cursive marten]

pretty cool.

anything on how games run on that without the AI stuff, though?

[pale quartz]

Nvidias own benchmarks its about a 25-30% difference

review embargoes are the day before it goes on sale

[cursive marten]

hmmm

not sure i trust nvidia's claims on that, i'd rather wait for people to test it.

[willow schooner]

Did you see GNs teardown of the prototype cooler?

https://youtu.be/lyliMCnrANI?si=jQeByaHsr8ZdpDX4

[modern gull]

Oh no i actually didn't, havent seen his videos in a while

[willow schooner]

This cooler is even more wild than the 5090s

[modern gull]

I'll have a look

[willow schooner]

Horizontally positioned GPU PCB

[modern gull]

Wait what, i just started video and yeah

Interesting though

Quite chunky, also wont that affect cooling in a bad way? 🤔

[willow schooner]

Design principal wise, its similar to the 5090 reference. One mainboard, then 2 other separate boards for PCIE and display out

this design is better for cooling by a significant margin

The above has thermal results for that cooler at least

[modern gull]

Interesting 🤔

[brave sundial]

The Nvidia 'insider' on twitter did also say there's supposedly a new 'titan' card in the works

[willow schooner]

Its the same principal as air coolers for CPU. Airflow that can flow over and through the fins and pipes, rather than through and hit a PCB wall will be better

[modern gull]

Ah yes so heat goes directly through

[modern gull]

Didn't they replace the titan with 90s?

[pale quartz]

the biggest thing here is they're using liquid metal for the core

so it's much better at cooling in general

[modern gull]

Fair enough

[willow schooner]

5090 reference also has an air passage on the side of the card, which pushes air out and up, to keep the warm out take air from recirculating back through the intakes

[modern gull]

I see, i see 🤔

[brave sundial]

https://x.com/kopite7kimi/status/1815688314177159602

kopite7kimi (@kopite7kimi) on X

@VideoCardz @OC3D The big thing exists.

Twitter · Jul 23, 2024, 10:00 AM

Not referring to the 5090

[pale quartz]

it exists the titan prototype was real

whether it comes to market is another question

[willow schooner]

Isnt that tweet old?

[modern gull]

Yeah i know, but why would they make titan again now that 90s still seem to be like a titan replacement?

[pale quartz]

money lol

[brave sundial]

I mean the tweet came out quite a bit before we found out about the titan prototype

[cursive marten]

yeah, money

[pale quartz]

it'll be priced at 4k and still sell like hotcakes

[modern gull]

Well, yeah, but would it sell i mean

[brave sundial]

Why not, free money

[pale quartz]

of course it would

Nvidia GPUs are worth more than gold itself at this point

[willow schooner]

4090 sold better than the 4080

Remember that

[cursive marten]

"shhh, don't tell them it's a bad deal, i'm ripping these suckers off!" -Nvidia, probably

[brave sundial]

Call it the '50100 Titan' or something

[modern gull]

[pale quartz]

it could be 4 or 5 thousand and would still sell out immediately

[modern gull]

BTC miners maybe would want those

[pale quartz]

nah

btc miners are dead lol

[willow schooner]

Everyone will want it for its AI/CUDA capabilites

[pale quartz]

^

[modern gull]

lol no haha

[modern gull]

Yeah probably high selling point

[pale quartz]

unless you have actual operation it is dead for consumer miners

BTC halved again last year there is no profit to be made for retail miners

[modern gull]

Might be, since today you need quite the performance i guess to see any money comming inn

[brave sundial]

Yeah it could just have higher vram, not necessarily improved raster.

40GB VRAM or something

[willow schooner]

This is a cool video if you enjoy learning about cooler designs

https://youtu.be/4WMwRlTdaZw?si=g8nUyfKXQ7HpxAnd

[pale quartz]

it doesn't need improved raster the 5090 is vram limited for AI workloads anyways

48/64 is a good guess

what it will be is significantly more efficient than the 5090 if it comes to market however

5090 is using Samsung nodes for vram

[brave sundial]

I don't want to imagine the price if it has 64

[willow schooner]

What availability is there for GDDR7 memory modules, are we still waiting for the 3gb variants?

[pale quartz]

ye

why the 5080 has 16gb on board

ICs are currently in prototype staging

[cursive marten]

do people still actually mine bitcoin?

[willow schooner]

So if the board were to stay mainly the same size, the "TITAN" could theoretically jump to 36gb model semi-easily

[cursive marten]

i thought people moved to the AI grift already.

[pale quartz]

yes they could

by the time it comes to market they'll be available

same as any 5080ti

[willow schooner]

Unsure if higher capacty memory is on the way tho, ive not kept up on that side of things

Wait no...it would be 48. 5090 has 16X2gb modules

[prime jasper]

I'm gonna be optimistic. I may be able to upgrade my card for half what I paid last year and give my kid an awesome card so he can run Fortnite at 200+ fps

make myself a sweaty 9 year old mini me

[willow schooner]

I think im good with my 4090.

MFG doesnt appeal to me at all, so unless the 5090 ends up being insanely faster (I dont think it will be more than 30% faster) im happy with what I have

[pale quartz]

realistically if you're not immediately planning on buying it at release the moment it comes out then expect to wait 3 to 6 months after to even get them close to their retail price

the demand for these is as or bigger than Turing/ampere

excluding the 5090*, maybe a year for that

[willow schooner]

Local stores here will stock it, and as we are a small country...the physical demand wont be mad high...and those stores dont ship internationally

I had no issues getting 30 or 40 series cards, even in the crazy times

Im just waiting the the transformer model DLSS stuff to drop haha

[pale quartz]

February

or well the 31st* of january

[willow schooner]

I would have hoped sooner with drivers ready for release

[pale quartz]

they are dual launching with Blackwell but not all games will have (or are guaranteed) at that to have it by then

the override dll update is in February

[coarse nimbus]

this is why gamers arent allowed to self govern

[brave sundial]

I mean can you blame them?

AMD don't even try

[coarse nimbus]

the price difference for the 4080-90 wasnt that extreme compared to the 30 series was it?

which in theory would make it almost ok for the 4090 to be so successful but..again how few actually used that card to its potential vs just wasted a shit load of money

[pale quartz]

https://www.tiktok.com/@thegameawards/video/7457377686722284842 rtx mega geometry in alan wake 2

[hexed oasis]

Do you have any games that stutter or freeze? If you don’t no reason to upgrade.

There is no notable difference unless you have games that stutter and freeze periodically

It will only fix that problem

[willow schooner]

Frame gen in general doesnt appeal to me.

[pale quartz]

[willow schooner]

Im not for or against it, its just not been necesary for me to have an enjoyable time in any games ive played

[brave sundial]

it's only going to become more normalised and relied on in the future

Especially when the next gen of consoles implement it after catching up arch-wise

[willow schooner]

Lots of games use FG already on consoles. Wukong has it forced on for its performance mode on PS5

[terse glade]

The question is, are more fps really that great if no reduction of latency happens? Isn't that just marketing then

Basically a scam

[burnt coyote]

all these bells and whistles make it look great still not buying a nvidia gpu

[terse glade]

Im more hyped for reflex 2

[cursive marten]

I don't like frame gen. the concept of generating fake frames as opposed to making GPU's that can actually render more frames kind of just seems like cheaping out.

[terse glade]

Which will be available on 20s series as well

[burnt coyote]

i remember when devs put in the effort to optimise thier games

but that was many years ago

[dapper saffron]

to me it is fine if they can reduce latency

problem is i think 30 series isnt getting multiframegen

[willow schooner]

I dont think its actually possible to do so. Like it will always have more than native. Unless nvidia invents time travel

[dapper saffron]

which i wish was available

[willow schooner]

Even 40 series doesnt get MFG

[dapper saffron]

yeah

40 series should have got it atleast

[willow schooner]

Not enough AI TOPs id imagine, same with 30 series for 1/2 frame FG

[brave sundial]

What would be the selling point for the 50 series then

[willow schooner]

The thing that will make 50 series actually make money is its AI/Cuda capabilities.

[brave sundial]

I mean 40 series and below are still getting some great DLSS improvements

[dapper saffron]

selling point will be that you can have a gpu that is 50-50

5050

[brave sundial]

Lovelace cards looking like a better investment by the day

[brave sundial]

Well the low end stuff usually come out a solid few months after the high end/midrange.

[dapper saffron]

yep

[terse glade]

Hopefully 5060ti will achieve 4070 performance at least

[dapper saffron]

we dont have 5060 yet

[terse glade]

I know but its the most anticipated card for me

[dapper saffron]

5060?

[terse glade]

ti

With 16gb vram

Currently i dont have any gaming mood tho so will most probably skip this gen as well

[dapper saffron]

they promised 16gb vram

[terse glade]

For the ti

Regular 5060 just gets 8gb vram

Gddr7 tho

[dapper saffron]

ooof

[terse glade]

Tbh 8gb on 1080p is still enough

[midnight crypt]

No

[dapper saffron]

emm 12 gb could be still ok but 8gb is less

[brave sundial]

8GB is now the bare minimum

[flat nebula]

Is this the channel where one can ask for help with bugs?

[paper sky]

Best to just ask in #battlefield-2042 or #battlefield-legacy-titles

[flat nebula]

Understood

[night void]

anyone knows how to fix get device removed reason directx error?

[paper sky]

https://answers.ea.com/t5/Technical-Issues/Crash-Directx-Error-GetDeviceRemovedReason/td-p/14306922

[night void]

this is my topic lol

[paper sky]

Oh didn't even notice

[small zinc]

Even though it's still the same 5nm node from TSMC, more transistors = bigger die.

So the GPU itself is physically larger than the 4090

[molten flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/222060964319723521/1328066431438422086/image.png?ex=678559bf&is=6784083f&hm=3fcc2212c741b9da3bae3239c4e211741962539dc71aaf2fd14fabe8f6fd84a1&

9070 XT is roughly a 4070 Ti Super in native resolution with ray-tracing

[terse glade]

Im ok with that, now only make it 400 dollar and im in

Dont gonna pay 700€ for that

[toxic wigeon]

Does the 5060 exist?

[terse glade]

Not yet

[brave sundial]

Coming after the high end/medium range 50 series launch

[toxic wigeon]

Probably be like the 4060.

No actual difference.

[terse glade]

5060ti vs 9070xt will be interesting

[nocturne drift]

I scored 2 1080ti for 120

I took a gamble and both gpu works.

[toxic wigeon]

I literally just started but coding is a lot of fun.

It's really fun learning to assign shit and do what you need.

I think i understand what it's meant to be but obviously not to the amateur degree.

[pale quartz]

thats everybody really

[toxic wigeon]

Once i learn c# i gotta find a PSP dataminer kek

[brave sundial]

PSP? the console?

[toxic wigeon]

Yes!

[molten flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/339274772896546819/1328367497438822490/Snaptik.app_7459220838924045590.mp4?ex=67867223&is=678520a3&hm=ddff17ab6975fec829d33b408f7a919c08317386226c700eb695799015de99d2&

[brave sundial]

You want to make homebrew for it? Nice

I want to get into vita development, but it isn't as straightforward unfortunately

[midnight crypt]

Don't

[brave sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/jontron-why-would-you-do-that-gif-11127841

[pale quartz]

RDNA3 is not stable with undervolting, leave it entirely at stock

yeah rdna3, specifically the xtx unless it is explicitly a high end AIB model is not stable with undervolting and you will experience instability, 1150 to 1100 is a steep drop

just limit the power limit

why are you expecting less heat with a higher power limit?

no?

you are drawing more power, undervolting doesn't reduce the power of the card, it still requires whatever it is expecting, your clocks are the same, so you will experience crashing of some kind

do not bother with what you are venturing into

set the power limit to 0 or set it negative you can't have it both ways with it being higher and wanting to draw less power

[willow schooner]

I dont even understand why you would reduce the mV by 4%, then increase the power limit by 15%. Is this some jank ass AMD software thing?

[pale quartz]

yes it's built into radeons settings

unfortunately even though it shouldn't be

[midnight crypt]

It's fine most people don't even know any of the settings in there

[pale quartz]

hence why it's bad to have them exposed because then people make "overclocking tutorials"

[midnight crypt]

How is it any different from doing the same thing with 3rd party software

[pale quartz]

you need to explicitly seek those out

[midnight crypt]

tutorials will exist regardless

[pale quartz]

Radeon is installed at driver time

rdna3 just isn't that efficient, to equal the same performance as a 4080 the power budget is much higher

not much you can do, set the power limit in a negative fashion to mitigate the heat

or cap the frame rate below what your unlimited render rate is for the game

[quick locust]

Or put lower gpu frequency

[toxic wigeon]

Oh nah the idea for the mod for terraria needs assets from one of my games.

[toxic wigeon]

Jesus christ

To me this just sounds like "yeah ai can do all these awful things, only we can do it"

I don't think that's what actually being said.

[molten flame]

Nvidia is mad that their products get more export control restrictions so they can't sell as easily

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah that as well lol

Regulations come in and they're the first ones to cry.

[coarse nimbus]

the main question is.. who is the one benefiting from this rule, that lobbied to the admin?

[molten flame]

Xi has more scientific researchers doing tech and quantum research than the rest of the world combined

[coarse nimbus]

and the scary part is, look how astroturfed that economy is

[molten flame]

https://www.oracle.com/news/announcement/blog/export-control-diffusion-confusion-2025-01-05/

[brave sundial]

I knew it

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-they-called-me-a-madman-infinity-war-madman-gif-13990981

I mean alot of people shared this view and fear this would happen, not just me tbf

[coarse nimbus]

you mean you didnt post online "am I the only one with this wildly popular opinion"??

[small zinc]

China is also on the verge of total collapse. But hey, interesting take

[brave sundial]

People have always been saying that

[small zinc]

The whole two children rule thing has bit them in the ass big time. In less than two generations, their economy will collapse.

[coarse nimbus]

Its looking pretty bleak right now though with their infrastructure that is falling apart

[brave sundial]

https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/ious4ftQOWOU/v3/-1x-1.webp

[toxic wigeon]

I love it when governments can be bought out hnng

[brave sundial]

Do they not know about the EU single market , or do they not care about that

[coarse nimbus]

I dont think anyone cares what happens there..

[small zinc]

Unfortunately, we should. $758 Billion. $195 Billion exported to China and $562 Billion imported goods.

Someone cares

When their economy collapses. So will many others

[dry pike]

Looking at the 5000 series of graphics cards. Can I have an ugly square of a graphics card that's only designed by engineers with non-rgb cases? An ugly PCB, make it a mix of pink and green for all I care if it's the best; with squares of unpolished ugly metal where it's needed and with room for replaceable standard static pressure fans. One that's just focused on performance, functionality, performance, longevity and noise? Just smack it in a brown box with the name on it and call it a day and take my money.

[willow schooner]

Isnt that the reference card haha

[dry pike]

Too pretty and designed. Also, with that many watts I think an engineer would make the heatsink larger. Also the replaceable fans thing.

I want the card an engineer with a closed case would make for himself

[cursive marten]

...why do i feel like a lot of messages from here got removed

🤔

[dry pike]

Don't think that happened. My post just seemed to stop political talk, like I'm still moderator or something 😄

[toxic wigeon]

Unfortunately our hardware is politicised and it's stupid to have to play around that.

E.g tariffs.

[cursive marten]

i think that did happen actually

anyways, AI regulation was inevitable, I feel, and imo, it is necessary. Nvidia's CEO talks like a cult leader every time it's brought up, but the AI industry is not altruistic, people have lost jobs due to this.

[willow schooner]

This isnt even regulation

[cursive marten]

Okay, yeah.

I donno what I expected actually.

[willow schooner]

This seems like the current administrations attempt to go "Look, we tried to regulate this thing, the administration after us ruined everything"

[brave sundial]

It's almost as if they should have you guys helping around since you have experience and are in large numbers..

[willow schooner]

Like pushing this through with absolutely no discussion on talks with industry leaders, or anyone in the industry is weird as fuck

[cursive marten]

Ehhh...I mean it'll probably get worse under the current administration anyway.

[coarse nimbus]

sounds like gov 101 ...

[willow schooner]

"Hey US companies, we arent going to discuss this with you, but here you go...50% of your business is now gone. BTW, this is actually making the US more competitive, not less, we promise. K thanks, bye"

Essentially what they have done

[toxic wigeon]

Unfortunately. Technicalities.

[cursive marten]

Still though, AI as a technology should like, actually be regulated. so people don't lose their jobs as much over it. because that shit sucks ass and nobody who matters likes it.

[toxic wigeon]

Like our social media ban for under 16's it was terribly planned out.

[brave sundial]

Oh yeah I forgot you guys are doing that

How is it going?

[toxic wigeon]

No one really cares.

I'm in support of it.

But they could have handled it better but don't risk angering big tech oh no

[cursive marten]

god i hate facebook.

[karmic valve]

You guys actually got that?

Unfortunately even when we (general) do get stuff like that it’s always a catch somewhere

Same with right to repair

[toxic wigeon]

Who the hell knows at this point.

[buoyant storm]

Is battlefield 1 servers down or is my thing just not working?

When I try to join a game it says Connection to EA Online times out. Your network bandwidth and/or network latency may not meet the requirements for this game

What does that mean?

[pale quartz]

think its time to start reading your own error messages

[toxic wigeon]

I can get this running on the laptop without a problem but on this is craps out man. I wish this shit wans't annoying to set up.

[ivory creek]

how important is pcb scanrate on a keyboard, the one i bought from nuphy have 8000hz polling but only 2500hz scanrate, they have promised to increase the scanrate to 8k aswell but it never happened

[brave sundial]

Isn't nuphy the one who makes keyboards with faulty batteries that explode

I heard they have pretty poor customer support

[ivory creek]

rtings rate nuphy field75 HE as the best gaming keyboard there is

thats why i bought one

lol

and they aint cheap, i hope they dont cheap out on stuff like that

some people write that scanrate is even more important than polling

but i guess 2500 is enough

[turbid verge]

thats relative

because a lot of people build their own custom keyboards

the best gaming keyboard is always the one you're comfortable with to play

[ivory creek]

true

[turbid verge]

because I have my own custom made keyboard and its the best gaming keyboard for me lol

[ivory creek]

i think my current keyboard got 10ms letancy tho and nuphy field75 HE got like 0.1ms so i hope for a change

[turbid verge]

I mean if you're between like 50ms and 10ms its fine

its not like you're gonna be a top 0.01% player with a 0.1ms keyboard

[ivory creek]

probably not , but it will help with missed keys

i play gunz the duel and with some keyboards it doesnt register all my keypresses

you hit buttons extremely fast 24/7 in that game

[turbid verge]

I guess. all the games I play dont really need high polish rate tbh

from a keyboard

[quick locust]

Why is part of Denmark tier 2

[ivory creek]

gunz the duel was released back in 2003 and was shut down years ago, only private servers remain. but the company who bough their rights is about to launch the game on steam again

[turbid verge]

greenland

[ivory creek]

you should try it out

[quick locust]

[turbid verge]

I already induce myself into cs2 to much. Fast pace games get me bored to fast compared to competitive shooters or slow/medium pace shooters like battlefield where I get more entertained

plus atm I can't invest time on other games when Iam basically enjoying balatro to much and playing iracing a lot. Beisdes that I just enjoy CS2 here and there

[ivory creek]

gunz is extremely competitive, if the game didnt shut down it wouldve been a perfect esport scene game. basicly you abuse glitches in the game to build extremely fast and weird movements

[brave sundial]

expecting common sense is unfortunately unrealistic

[toxic wigeon]

Cmon

Haha ugh

Just buy it because you think it's mechanically cool Lasagna.

[ivory creek]

steal them

do it

lol

(im just joking ofc)

[quick locust]

5090 FE

[toxic wigeon]

I read that as a 8090 due to distortion.

[ivory creek]

if the new series is all about fake frames idk what to say about it

i have no desire for framegen myself

[quick locust]

Run your own AI GF on it

[ivory creek]

lol

[quick locust]

The new GF experience

[toxic wigeon]

If your computer gains sentience just threaten that you can pull the graphics card out and make it braindead.

[candid flame]

RTX mega geometry seems really cool

but can other gpu makers take advantage of that? most likely not

[toxic wigeon]

I'm annoyed because I say ohh DLSS 4 and people bring up the mutli frame gen which I don't necessarily care about.

I think the use for AI reducing load is a good idea.

[pale quartz]

the thing to remember with polling rates is there is a direct link to CPU utilisation

[toxic wigeon]

But I'm not sure about making shit artificial.

[pale quartz]

the higher the polling rate your hardware has the more interrupts are sent increasing the likelihood of microstuttering

[toxic wigeon]

Hey Deco I have a challenge for you

[pale quartz]

hm?

[quick locust]

Just use a PS/2 keyboard

[toxic wigeon]

Reckon you could get Mechwarrior 3 working on your system?

[candid flame]

I fear that games developed with mega geometry won't run well on other gpus, i.e. amd or older rtx cards

[toxic wigeon]

A very broken ass game?

[turbid verge]

I told you not to share my new gpus.

[toxic wigeon]

Is that what I'm thinking?

[ivory creek]

gunz is an old game from 2003. i dont think my 5800x3d have problems with it. but yeah

[pale quartz]

dunno not going to try and bother

[toxic wigeon]

OH

Right I got confused.

Yeah I was thinking of mega geo.

I thought it was linked to DLSS 4.

[candid flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_eGq38V1hk

[pale quartz]

in general, regardless of the game its a universal principle, im more specifically saying if you use it with a game like battlefield youll have hitching

[toxic wigeon]

Aw thats a shame. I'm trying to get mech 4 to work and I'm getting errors out the ass when it's simpler to get it working on a laptop.

[turbid verge]

@toxic wigeon so you getting a 50 series?

[candid flame]

if I understand it correctly it's a rendering tech to replace older ones

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah I'll be getting a 5090.

[pale quartz]

just use virtualisation software for a older os

[toxic wigeon]

Like Dos box?

[pale quartz]

no not exactly

mega geometry is UE5 only

[turbid verge]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-cat-smile-cat-cool-cat-gif-297291901262297802

[quick locust]

Getting gpu frequency to work in overlay is pain

[ivory creek]

aight, thanks

[turbid verge]

I might upgrade from my 3070 to a 5070ti

[pale quartz]

but yes it wont work on non-nvidia cards whatsoever

[candid flame]

oh fuck, more ue5 slop?

gonna be another alan wake 2 on old non-rtx cards situation again

[pale quartz]

no its very good in that regard because BVH acceleration with RT workloads is a major performance problem

[toxic wigeon]

Eh would be cool if UE5 wasn't a fucking pain in the ass to work with.

[pale quartz]

its not

its one of the easiest engines you can work with lol

[turbid verge]

UE5 is good if you know the engine from top to bottom and know how to optimize it. Source. Trust me I develop games for a living

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah I guess.

[turbid verge]

I mean there are some well developed projects with UE5 that are also well optimized

[toxic wigeon]

OH yeah I'm FINALLY taking the hint to want ot learn how to mod terraria so I'm learning C# and I barely understand shit!

Hahaha

[quick locust]

All you need is Creation Engine

[toxic wigeon]

I told deco I think

But it's fun getting what limited things I know to work.

[turbid verge]

C# is pretty easy tbh. Very handy in engines like Unity and Godot

more hardcore is C++ which Iam at right now

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah I want to make a terraria mod and if I can understand what to do at the bare basic.

[turbid verge]

jumping from C# to C++ is like driving a Honda Civic and then you start driving a Ferrari

[toxic wigeon]

It's hard to control but the reward is high?

[turbid verge]

its faster and you can manage more

[toxic wigeon]

OH

Right right

[quick locust]

Microsoft java

[turbid verge]

but yes, harder than C#

in terms of game development

imo C# is a good base. And with chatgpt you can learn it pretty easy and for what you wanna use

[brave sundial]

PS2? The console

But yeah those don't rely on the cpu, don't they?

[pale quartz]

think that but much worse

the key thing with RTX mega geometry is because it accelerates the bvh physical geometry is different

so on non-nvidia cards it will look and perform like ass

it would be impossible to make it work on those anyways because it uses tensor

[toxic wigeon]

One concern I found was that it won't be adopted for a while.

[pale quartz]

yeah it's a tech that's 3/4 years out

[toxic wigeon]

Bit annoying.

[pale quartz]

as with a lot of new things

you can't exactly just go in and use it

[brave sundial]

Nah all you need is your own taped together solution of original source

Like Respawn

[toxic wigeon]

I get they're trying to use it as a selling point but goddamn.

[pale quartz]

eh this isn't really a selling point just showing new tech

[candid flame]

Sourcen't engine

[toxic wigeon]

Oh true though you know.

[brave sundial]

Well lets hope it doesn't meet the fate of PhysX

[quick locust]

Probably will be an equivalent or at least a mode without it

Well certainly lul

[candid flame]

I hope it fucking does

[pale quartz]

?

why would you hope that lol

unless you want ray tracing to forever perform like ass because this is a very good piece of technology

[brave sundial]

but I loved physx

And this looks cool too

[quick locust]

Just run at 1080 with DLSS performance and 4X framegen

[candid flame]

go back to baked light like in half life 2

[quick locust]

[pale quartz]

it won't end up as physx

it's already on Nvidias branch for ue5

[toxic wigeon]

Shame you can't use it in shit like Quake RTX and that.

It would really help not getting your GPU succd.

[pale quartz]

it's not a tech for gamers, it's a tech for game designers

besides

[brave sundial]

But the consumers yearn for the 'photorealistic' UE5 slop

[pale quartz]

mega geometry works on ALL Nvidia GPUs way back to Turing so idk what the complaints are

[quick locust]

Need intel to make an equivalent

Stronk

[toxic wigeon]

Oh huh MW5 clans uses UE5 that's kinda cool.

[pale quartz]

yeah if you're on intel or Radeon you get stuffed that's how it always goes

[quick locust]

Radeon has been pretty slow

[brave sundial]

radeon will respond, just you see

[turbid verge]

I dont even know how AMD hasnt catches Nvidia

[pale quartz]

they don't is the answer

[turbid verge]

yeh

meanwhile intel is just balling

[quick locust]

Much less focus on them than Ryzen i guess

[turbid verge]

pretty sure the Ryzen and Radeon are different division within the company

[pale quartz]

when THIS is your big prime time feature aside from fsr which nobody can use you know you're finished

[quick locust]

Yes I love amd related questions

[turbid verge]

peak AI feature

[quick locust]

[brave sundial]

Yeah, a shitty gpt wrapper

[turbid verge]

lmao

[pale quartz]

I've spoken to engineers in Radeon and they've more or less given up at this point

[turbid verge]

basically most recent AI services you can buy a subscription for it and offer a premium model

[pale quartz]

won't be shocked if they just exit the discrete market to a large degree in the future except for budget cards

[turbid verge]

They do have a point, if their R&D budget is like a small fraction compared to Nvidias

[brave sundial]

I guess that stability AI collab went nowhere. But then again stability is far from being in a 'stable' financial position these days

[pale quartz]

yeah

[turbid verge]

I mean I literally think Nvidia said no budget cap to make that 5090 board that small to the R&D engineers

[quick locust]

I mean intel being half broken company seems to do faster in gpu dev than them

[turbid verge]

a board that small and that powerful is legit insane peak engineer in hardware terms if you ask me

[pale quartz]

geforce does have a budget cap but it's still infinitely more than RDNA will ever get

[toxic wigeon]

Oh yeah how samsung ai won't be for free at the end of the year is really funny.

[quick locust]

GeForce is also only like 8% of Nvidias revenue iirc

[toxic wigeon]

Meaning the shit that they advertise will be linked to a sub model.

[pale quartz]

yeah about 7-8% roughly

[toxic wigeon]

I wonder when they'll bring out a watch with a light.

[turbid verge]

tfw everyone lost the AI race to a GPU maker and some nerds in silicon valey and everyone jsut warps their "AI" around their models and paid subscriptions and call it a day

[pale quartz]

and in a reality not so far away Nvidia will be entering the discrete processor market too lol

[toxic wigeon]

I will be curious to see how they will compete against Ryzen.

[pale quartz]

it'll be ass is the answer

because arm can't compete, but not for very long

[brave sundial]

Another shitty gpt wrapper, yipee

Or idk, gemini

[quick locust]

Time for discord AI

[toxic wigeon]

I wish the M series processors were also usable for desktops.

[brave sundial]

Already exists

Clyde or whatever it's called

[toxic wigeon]

It's again, Really funny!

[pale quartz]

you'd need apple motherboards for that lol

[toxic wigeon]

I know that part.

[pale quartz]

and for apple to make windows drivers

[toxic wigeon]

I'm not expecting to put an M series processor on am5.

[quick locust]

Windows? Ew

[toxic wigeon]

This isn't Cyrix.

[turbid verge]

Not surprised, I mean the CEO even said that Nvidia is still a small company. Way to hint they have bigger future plans for it

[toxic wigeon]

I wonder if they will be anti trusted.

[turbid verge]

I mean not really

Intel and AMD exist

[pale quartz]

yeah they are in collaboration with arm and mediatek to bring discrete processors around

[toxic wigeon]

Ironically I don't think they actually have too many industries.

They're big but just at that.

[turbid verge]

interesting. I wonder if they will also tackle the console market again with it

[toxic wigeon]

Not microsoft owning hundreds of studios.

Cause they're cool!

[pale quartz]

switch 2

[brave sundial]

Honestly though I can't fault those AI consultancy firms, making bank off this

[quick locust]

Hardware is more interesting than people

[toxic wigeon]

PC parts are cool to talk about and with how they work.

[quick locust]

[toxic wigeon]

How powerful will the switch 2 actually be?

[pale quartz]

about a ps4

[brave sundial]

This is what I'm hyped about

[pale quartz]

though "more powerful" technically because it has dlss

[toxic wigeon]

Well that's a big upgrade over the ps3 at least.

[turbid verge]

I mean we all know the only company getting fat rich out of this the msot is nvidia selling everyone GPU's to train their AI

[toxic wigeon]

Modern optimisation features.

[brave sundial]

Qualcomm been lacking in the area(PC arm)

[quick locust]

Quite a bit of my hw was free but ye

[pale quartz]

in reality it's still going to be absolutely ass for third party developers to port anything 4 years after the switch 2 is out

but that's as it goes

[brave sundial]

Yeah, Jensen has governments bending over for him, he's invincible now

[toxic wigeon]

First party its gonna be ass too look at scarlet and violet.

[quick locust]

Just interested in tech and the development of it

[pale quartz]

people have hobbies, cars, golf, trucks, guns, hardware is just another one of them

[toxic wigeon]

Xbox one running assassins creed valhalla runs more stable than that shit.

[brave sundial]

Atleast the series S is not alone now

[pale quartz]

the series s will be leagues above the switch 2 lol

[turbid verge]

its hilarious that governments are announcing their own AI's, and everyone knows they will source to Nvidia for GPU's or external companies who will dumb fat cash on Nvidia

[pale quartz]

and that speaks for how bad it will be

[toxic wigeon]

Well at least I have my own computer to emulate it.

They can't stop me.

[pale quartz]

emulate? yeah if you want 20 frames maybe

[brave sundial]

If the series S had just a bit more ram it would be genuinely great

[toxic wigeon]

Hey still more frame time consistency than the console itself.

[pale quartz]

nah

[brave sundial]

but minimising costs and all that I guess

[pale quartz]

they made no money on it

[ivory creek]

aslong as nintendo keep making 3d zelda games im happy, i dont need them to have the games of pc/xbox/playstation

[quick locust]

Nintendo lawyers are outside your door as we speak

[toxic wigeon]

Will they do another series s like console?

[pale quartz]

eh hard to say

[toxic wigeon]

They can't stop me.

[pale quartz]

a Microsoft handheld is coming

[quick locust]

[brave sundial]

the average pokemon switch player couldn't care less

[toxic wigeon]

Oh wait wtf happened to the series X pro and that crap.

That reminds me.

[brave sundial]

Let alone the average switch gamer

[pale quartz]

they may do one next generation but too far out to guess for now

[brave sundial]

Not happening, moving straight to next gen

Supposedly they want to release a year or two before Sony again like with the 360

[pale quartz]

I wouldn't be so sure on that

[quick locust]

Microsoft handheld now with SteamOS

[toxic wigeon]

Just gimme me PSP again you cowards.

Cmon sony.

[quick locust]

They did

PS Portal

[pale quartz]

implying Sony have money to make it

[quick locust]

[brave sundial]

you'd think they'd prepare for that by offering a handheld-optimised experience for Windows

[quick locust]

Jk

[toxic wigeon]

OH I forgot about the PS portal.

[pale quartz]

they are, well slowly, steam deck drivers for windows etc

[toxic wigeon]

I wonder when the second gen steam deck will come out (not the oled)

[brave sundial]

I mean.. It's android. So you can emulate psp games like theflow did

[pale quartz]

the handheld non switch market is still very new all things considered

[quick locust]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[toxic wigeon]

I'm more interested to see the improvements they'll make to it.

[pale quartz]

they've said there's no current new generation being made

[toxic wigeon]

But it might be a few years.

[quick locust]

Once Valve sees a big enough jump in hw

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah I'm aware it's not being made because tthey would rather wait for an actual upgrade in hardware over wasting peoples money with small incremental upgrades.

[pale quartz]

they're already investing a shit ton of money into software as is it'd be kind of stupid to begin making a new console just now

[toxic wigeon]

That being said I would love to see what they would have planned hardware wise considering that steam actually knows their shit.

[pale quartz]

nah, nice way to break your system, that's about it

[quick locust]

Lenovo is also about to release a SteamOS handheld

[toxic wigeon]

I put a taser to the GPU and that worked.

Wtf did I just say

[quick locust]

Rip

[pale quartz]

I can assure you that it will lol

people telling you otherwise are liars with their own agendas because they don't do stability testing

[quick locust]

I just run stock except xmp

[toxic wigeon]

How's city skylines 2 doing now by the way?

[quick locust]

And 4096 power limit

[toxic wigeon]

I heard it got better recently but I'm curious once again because it looks fun.

[pale quartz]

it seems fine from what I can tell

don't own the game to find out though

[toxic wigeon]

Transport Tycoon has made me want to just build train stations.

Oh yeah

god how old is that game again

1994

[quick locust]

cities 2 runs alright ish

[toxic wigeon]

31 years old LOL

[quick locust]

But still too much for consoles

[pale quartz]

I have actively gotten sick of "overclockers" at this point the tech industry is so full of charlatans and snake oil salesmen it's unreal

make a 6 minute video about how to "get more performance" with 0 effort and you get hundreds of thousands of views

[quick locust]

Dam giving me ideas

[pale quartz]

maybe then you can upgrade that processor

[ivory creek]

gotta love those videos who are entierly put together by ai, not even having real voices

[quick locust]

5 easy steps to overclock your 9800x3D

[quick locust]

My English is so horrible I could do that 😛

[ivory creek]

lol

[toxic wigeon]

Increase the voltage by 3x

[pale quartz]

then there's the actual professionals like derbauer and buildzoid who unless you are actively into the industry don't even know exist

[quick locust]

See that voltage slider? Max it at 2V to have headroom for our OC

[toxic wigeon]

Hear that little pop? You're still fine it usually happens.

[quick locust]

Heres some registry tweaks for more Fortnite fps

What if I just made the entire video in chatgpt

Script, voice

Upload 10 a day

[brave sundial]

They already did

[quick locust]

The Z2 one is out?

[pale quartz]

I released it

[quick locust]

Well Z2 Go iirc

[brave sundial]

Z2?

[quick locust]

Yea the new handheld SoC

[brave sundial]

It's called the Go S isn't it?

And it relies on the previous gen Z1

Oh they give you options

[quick locust]

Deco is Lenovo

[brave sundial]

Honestly if they want to commit to the whole 'Everything is an Xbox', open up the Xbox OS

[pale quartz]

huh

half of it is just one core at this point lol

[brave sundial]

Better for gaming. , keep your library from Xbox too

[pale quartz]

yeah that's exactly why they'd never do that lol

[quick locust]

Just put SteamOS on all handhelds

[brave sundial]

Yeah, does make more financial sense

[prime jasper]

maybe I'm just dumb, but traffic in CS2 is stlil meh. The performance of the game has improved substantially in the last year.

[brave sundial]

Plus more on brand for them not giving a fuck about Xbox consoles anymore

[prime jasper]

It doesn't slow down or crash nearly as much as it used to. I haven't had it crash at all, actually.

[toxic wigeon]

That's cool. I should get it on sale. While I do that I'll just learn to code.

[pale quartz]

the race is already over at this point lol

better to cut your losses than bleed money forever

the ratio is 4:1 to 5:1, no coming back from that

[small zinc]

Z2 is just a fancy way of saying 8840u

[quick locust]

GeForce to Radeon is more than 5:1

💀

[pale quartz]

9:1~ roughly

[quick locust]

Yeah 11-12% for amd iirc

[pale quartz]

will be 5% by the time the next generation is out the way they're going

[quick locust]

Time for arc to beat radeon

[pale quartz]

they basically are at this point is the funny part

[small zinc]

Arc already beats Radeon. AMD should just give up on GPU's altogether. Nobody cares anymore. AMD sure doesn't.

AMD should stop making GPU's, and Intel should stop making CPU's.

[toxic wigeon]

It's really ironic, apparently their 9800xt back then was really good.

Back then like 20 years ago.

(Jeez)

[small zinc]

Volcanic Islands in my book is honestly AMD's last solid line of GPU's.

[toxic wigeon]

I saw a random clip of hasan piker talking to a guy, it was something about "oh yeah i played fallout 10 years ago" and he said "Oh you played the first fallouts!" which in turn wasn't true cause new Vegas was 10 years ago.

[brave sundial]

yeah I just play through gamepass 90% the time anyways too, which I get for cheap through keys

Need to go all in on PC

[pale quartz]

exactly lol

[brave sundial]

Which mine could use an upgrade, but I'm not in the state to do that rn

[pale quartz]

Microsoft's strategy regarding game pass is the correct way to go, but it's still a very young market

[toxic wigeon]

20 years ago I always think was the 90s not when I was 5 years old man.

[prime jasper]

i would spend more in the 90s renting a game for 5 nights than i would game pass for an entire month, now. with 90s money.

[pale quartz]

Microsoft have about 85% of the market roughly looking at CMA data which means Sony (are) in trouble and b console exclusives are on the way out as a form of enticement

[ivory creek]

my new smartwatch is so god damn annoying, first it say i sleep too little, then that i sleep too much, then that my energy levels are too low. a constant annoyance

[toxic wigeon]

What do you have?

[brave sundial]

Yeah got to enjoy it while we can before it gets saturated and they enshittify it

[toxic wigeon]

My 6 never harasses me for my sleep schedule.

[ivory creek]

a galaxy watch 7 or whatever

[brave sundial]

Like they are with tv/film streaming right now

[toxic wigeon]

Than again I think it knows how fucked my sleep is.

So it doesn't bother

[pale quartz]

have you cleaned the sensors?

[brave sundial]

I see ubi+ folding under gamepass as a justification for a price hike. I mean unless it has somehow been a success for Ubi

[ivory creek]

nope, maybe i should. thanks

[small zinc]

@toxic wigeon Sorry I said Volcanic Islands. Tahiti was the one I was thinking of. The 7970 was a beast. At the time, Radeon had taken the performance crown away from Nvidia. GTX 680 and later 780 (Which was a rebranded GPU anyway, same exact GPU)

[pale quartz]

np

[brave sundial]

I don't imagine many are enthralled to be paying gamepass rates for a much smaller and worse library

[toxic wigeon]

Oh yeah anything interesting about the new earphones this year or nah

Like the buds 4

[toxic wigeon]

I don't know that long back that is not my era.

My era is 30 series +

[pale quartz]

Samsung's presentation is in a few days

so you'll find out very shortly

[small zinc]

Samsung OLED > LG OLED

The end.

Let's be honest, the only thing Samsung makes thats worth a damn is televisions.

[brave sundial]

I would argue the opposite

[turbid verge]

everyone knows the best thing samsung produces is warships

end quote

[pale quartz]

dram lol

[toxic wigeon]

Bendable phone.

[pale quartz]

they're significantly more than displays

half of their stuff is stolen from patents anyways for displays

[turbid verge]

Samsung does to much stuff and I mean they're literally known to be the main source of south koreas GDP lmao

[toxic wigeon]

Oh yeah Samsung 1000 pro ssd maybe?

That'll be cool

[pale quartz]

SSD is dram

[toxic wigeon]

Oh my bad.

[small zinc]

Perhaps. But so is everyone else's stuff. Look at Iphones. Nothing about an Iphone is Apple at all. Except the logo and iOS.

[turbid verge]

I mean samsung fridges are solid if you ask me

[toxic wigeon]

I'd buy a new watch if it had a flashlight on it.

[ivory creek]

isnt samsung micro led supposed to combine best of all worlds, no burn in, perfect blacks and high nits

[toxic wigeon]

Literally that would actually change a lot for me.

[turbid verge]

wait till you find out most small components that goes into your day to day electronics come from china

[pale quartz]

yes but it costs a shit ton of money and "perfect blacks" is a marketing gimmick

you cannot match oled it's just physics

[small zinc]

Funny way of saying TSMC. And that's in Taiwan.

hehe

[brave sundial]

nah, it's insurance

[turbid verge]

introducing the black hole true black display

[toxic wigeon]

Vanta black monitor every time it turns on a bit of it poisons the air.

[pale quartz]

there is PH-OLED which will be shown this year which is the next frontier for monitors

[turbid verge]

eat the light itself

[pale quartz]

[toxic wigeon]

Oh yeah i made a joke about making a GPU vanta black and remembered it would heat up like crazy.

[brave sundial]

Does it stand for phoney oled?

[turbid verge]

TSMC isnt the only one that makes them. Many do come from actual china and they supply all those huge brands too

[small zinc]

But Samsung Televisions are pretty top tier. Better color accuracy. Better color gamut. Better brightness.

Specifically OLED

[turbid verge]

pholed

[toxic wigeon]

It was really funny too I came so close to buying the buds 3 in Europe and then when I was in Doha Qatar I learned they used the language interpreter.

I almost screamed.

[pale quartz]

[toxic wigeon]

I'm glad I got them on special at home though.

[brave sundial]

Philippines oled

[small zinc]

Hey remember when Nvidia used Samsung for 30 series? What a great decision that was huh

[turbid verge]

I mean there's no real magic behind them if you read about their panels. I mean OLED is OLED at the end of the day. Then its down how the manufacturer calibrates them and then the user as well

[brave sundial]

oh wait, that PH

[turbid verge]

Samsung does make tons of custom made OLED display including the ones that goes into the iphones, ipads, pixel devices

[toxic wigeon]

I might just see about a curved 1440p oled monitor. I dunno.

[turbid verge]

which in a way they do achieve what the client brand wants and is quality components

[small zinc]

Alienware brother. Granted Alienware monitors are Samsung displays. But Alienware monitors are where its at.

[turbid verge]

because in the meantime samsung has literally some of the worse gaming monitors in the market

a realm where LG has stand out very well along with Asus

specially the OLED ones

[turbid verge]

because alienware aka DELL doesnt produce components they outsource most of them

[small zinc]

Eh. that's pretty debatable. Samsung OLED displays are pretty top tier and subjectively look quite a bit better than gimmicky ASUS ROG displays.

[small zinc]

I'm aware. And I would NEVER buy Alienware PC crap. But their displays being Samsung panels are top tier displays.

[turbid verge]

I legit am waiting for someone to recommend me a decent OLED samsung display for gaming

without the shit ton of ghosting and input lag

[brave sundial]

Didn't somewhere here just have issues with their Samsung monitor

[turbid verge]

yes they still do. Thats why most dont even recommend them at first glance

literally if I was to just go with anything from MSI, LG, Asus, etc because their QC and quality asurance is better than samsung atm for gaming monitors

[small zinc]

Alienware AW3423DW. 175hz QD-OLED, 3440x1440. .1 MS response. Samsung display obviously. There isn't honestly a better monitor on the market currently.

[toxic wigeon]

I don't want to deal with DSC issues.

[turbid verge]

and the price?

[small zinc]

$900 on Amazon. Can't really beat that price. Might even find one cheaper second hand (ebay) or see if Dell has one warehouse deal

They were $1400 new

[turbid verge]

hard pass

[brave sundial]

I saw them on sale for around £600 here

[turbid verge]

for that price and specs

rather go for a 240hz 1440p OLED

forgot who was the guy

[small zinc]

Sure. But you're sacrificing other specs too. You said you wanted a quality OLED display. And to be honest, there isn't a better monitor on the market than Alienware QD-OLED's.

[turbid verge]

monitorUnbox or whatever the youtuber

he usually does good reviews on monitors

[brave sundial]

Oh nvm it was 165 only

[pale quartz]

monitors unboxed, tim from hardware unboxed

[ivory creek]

i have a 360hz 1440p qd-oled samsung oddysey, their build quality is shit tho and the controll button on the back falls apart by itself. and its a gamble if samsung repair it for free or not

[turbid verge]

kek

[small zinc]

Yeah Dell made a 2nd version of that, that sacrificed 10hz refresh rate.

[turbid verge]

also 21:9 and no Nvidia G-sync

[small zinc]

Still a great price.

[small zinc]

It absolutely is G-sync

lmao

[pale quartz]

gsync is certified for the monitor in driver it works fine

[brave sundial]

If its amd freesync then it has to be gsync too no?

[small zinc]

Freesync 2. But yes.

[pale quartz]

gsync certification is performed by nvidia themselves

[turbid verge]

usually they say if its both or one in the name

thats why lmao

IT HAS THE STICKER GUYS

[small zinc]

https://www.amazon.com/Alienware-AW3423DW-34-18-inch-3440x1440-Curvature/dp/B09VQ48X5Q/ref=asc_df_B09VQ48X5Q?mcid=f586974800d238908af4409919f9de04&tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=693287646213&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11023187734627420024&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9011549&hvtargid=pla-1725400261123&psc=1

"G-Sync Ultimate"

[pale quartz]

aka freesync doesnt mean it has gsync, most do though

[turbid verge]

I mean first problem I see is the aspect ratio