people weren't really buying it, nobody cared.
#technology
cursive marten
cursive marten
oh yeah that'll go over real well with Thinkpad fans
which are their primary audience
quick locust
Lenovo AI Pad
toxic wigeon
Take a shot every time Jason mentions ai.
cursive marten
don't, you'll almost certainly die
toxic wigeon
That sounds fun.
prime jasper
That sounds fun.
dying?
toxic wigeon
For the sake of the server I'm just gonna leave it.
molten flame
how fast is 5090
molten flame
5090 Laptop is 384-bit 24GB
it would be the first 384-bit laptop GPU ever
well, some people have put 384-bit dGPUs in laptops before
molten flame
toxic wigeon
The 9070/xt will still be a half decent card.
Why are you surprised.
Why is anyone.
Wait until they're available to reviewers.
toxic wigeon
You actually believe it straight from the horses mouth Zozo.
pale quartz
rtx 4090 performance MEANS dlss performance
toxic wigeon
I saw the frames earlier like wtf is this lol
toxic wigeon
rtx 4090 performance MEANS dlss performance
I was thinking "that's unrealistic"
5070 having 4090 performances for 500USD is too good to believe.
I theorised that DLSS 4 would involve AI working on the graphical end.
Hey Reflex 2.
molten flame
small zinc
5070 ain't no 4090 performance
lmao
Once Tom's Hardware gets one, that will be debunked
toxic wigeon
Gamersnexus will cover it, And laugh.
small zinc
Oh wait, you're right. Tom's is the only unpaid reviewer
candid flame
2k$ for the 5090 lmao
small zinc
2k$ for the 5090 lmao
$2500+ for third party GPU's (ASUS, MSI etc) and $3,000+ for scalped. Here we go again with the flooding of Micro Center.
cursive marten
that's probably great for all 7 people that use it
candid flame
yeah doesn't matter how shit amd's next cards are gonna be, they've won the market
cursive marten
frame warp
coarse nimbus
hypothetically will any of these massively expensive GPUs come with devices to prevent them from bending on the motherboard socket once plugged in? 
cursive marten
ah yes, that well regarded feature, frame wrap
cursive marten
hypothetically will any of these massively expensive GPUs come with devices to p...
probably not, but you can 3d print one yourself, if you can afford a 5090 you should be able to afford a 3d printer.
what are you fucking poor.
pale quartz
Reflex Low Latency mode is most effective when a PC is GPU bottlenecked. But Reflex 2 with Frame Warp provides significant savings in both CPU and GPU bottlenecked scenarios. In Riot Games’ VALORANT, a CPU-bottlenecked game that runs blazingly fast, at 800+ FPS on the new GeForce RTX 5090, PC latency averages under 3 ms using Reflex 2 Frame Warp - one of the lowest latency figures we’ve measured in a first-person shooter.
this ISNT exclusive to rtx 50
pale quartz
so rtx 40 will get it
small zinc
hypothetically will any of these massively expensive GPUs come with devices to p...
Ada did. Riser boards are the way to go nowadays with Nvidia GPU's. They're too big and bulky for the PCI-X slot.
toxic wigeon
Stop answering my questions Deco.
small zinc
Frame Warp will actually come in handy. The problem with 4090 was that there isn't a CPU in existence that the 4090 didn't bottleneck. So now with the 5070 on up, even a 9950X3D will get bottlenecked.
pale quartz
there u go
small zinc
As much as I want a 5090, it actually is a super gimpy purchase for now.
pale quartz
full specs
small zinc
There isn't anything to take advantage of that.
pale quartz
so the best part
in theory, because this is frame reprojection, any penalty from dlss 4x is heavily negated
toxic wigeon
I don't want to get into sentimental philosophy but ai graphics kinda makes me feel weird. As much as I thought of it as an idea to lower the load.
small zinc
Love keynotes. Projections are always better than the actual product.
Going on a limb. 5090 about ~30% ish faster than a 4090 in actual benchmarks For $400 more than the 4090 was at launch.
pale quartz
it is the single biggest revolutionary thing they can do for a anti lag solution
this single handedly renders everything obselete
toxic wigeon
Wait the warp or dlss 4
pale quartz
Reflex 2 Frame Warp takes this concept from research to reality. As a frame is being rendered by the GPU, the CPU calculates the camera position of the next frame in the pipeline, based on the latest mouse or controller input. Frame Warp samples the new camera position from the CPU, and warps the frame just rendered by the GPU to this newer camera position. The warp is conducted as late as possible, just before the rendered frame is sent to the display, ensuring the most recent mouse input is reflected on screen.
toxic wigeon
OH ITS REFLEX 2.
Okokok
Very good yes.
Will this work retroactively with every game that supports reflex?
small zinc
Will this work retroactively with every game that supports reflex?
No. Developers will have to implement that.
toxic wigeon
assuming they get updated to reflex 2
Niiice and all I'll need is a driver update correct?
pale quartz
yeah obv
toxic wigeon
Yeah thought so.
pale quartz
valorant and the finals are getting it first
toxic wigeon
Oh so yeah and no.
small zinc
Deco, I believe that to be incorrect. It won't just retroactively work. That's encumbent on the developer
pale quartz
assuming they get updated to reflex 2
i literally said
pale quartz
the sdk is very straightforward there isnt much reason this cant be propogated quickly
it wont be added for 2042 lmao
that delay is in engine this wouldnt fix that
toxic wigeon
I was gonna say the engines fucking broken no matter what.
pale quartz
& it was never fixed
cursive marten
They fixed it ages ago
no they didn't, they could not.
small zinc
Likely see it in UE5 since it's open source. That's the only way the SDK will be faster to promulgate.
toxic wigeon
Reflex 2.
small zinc
Otherwise closed source engines like Frostbite, CD Projekt Red etc will have to integrate it themselves
Guessing Cryengine will also see it first too.
pale quartz
Or does it need actual integration.
no it needs actual integration
this is engine level
pale quartz
dimensions and power specs
small zinc
When it becomes an official standard. Hell, 4K JUST became an actual standard within the last 1-2 years. We're not there yet.
The fact that we're on HDMI 2.2 though is a good start I guess
small zinc
But couple that into the fact that AVR's and Processors won't have HDMI 2.2 pass through for another 1-2 years. Don't expect 8k gaming or even televisions for a while. Considering that live broadcasts are still 1080p and the only 4K live content that I know of is Sports broadcasts.
small zinc
We're still 5+ years from 8K being an actual thing
toxic wigeon
I mean growing up I've had weak ass PC's because well, a proper pc is many times the price of a console.
Its natural to have that mindset.
small zinc
In fairness. Games are designed for consoles first. That's where teh money is. People just want a plug and play solution and consoles do that. They don't have to update drivers, or buy $2,000 GPU's. So lazy developers make ports to PC after the fact and they are usually garbage. So leave it to companies like AMD and Nvidia with driver packages to fix developers' game performance. So in a round about way, console "gamers" aren't wrong about PC performance. As a person who primararily plays on PC, I'm sick of terrible ports and optimization issues, day 1 patches etc....
small zinc
Look at literally any game already built in UE5. Not one of them works properly....
small zinc
Oh so same size as the 4090? The 5090.
You talking about the overall size of the PCB and cooler? Or the GPU die size?
small zinc
I'd have to imagine the die is larger overall since both Ada and Blackwell using TSMC's 4nm node. More transistors packed into one die.
toxic wigeon
On the months leading up to getting my card I might just get the power supply organised.
owo pwatinum suppwy
Hey does mental outlaw come off a little schiz?
pale quartz
Hey does mental outlaw come off a little schiz?
yes lol
toxic wigeon
yes lol
Yeah I got this on my recommended feed cause I watched his video on the smart gun as it came up because I watched forgotten weapons. Like wtf
nocturne drift
I hope 5070 prices can push down the 3080/3080ti and 4070 second hand market price
Currently I can get 2080ti around 200, perfect for 500-600 USD builds.
maybe I can switch the 2080ti to 3080 or 3080ti for 600 USD builds
CPU: 9900K OCed to 4.9ghz core 4.6ghz ring
Ram: 4X8 =32gb DDR4 3000 cl16 Gskill Trident Z RGB
Motherboard: Asus Z390 Prime P
GPU: Nvidia RTX 2080Ti Asus Rog Strix OC custom vbios flashed to Asus Matrix Platinum
CPU cooler: upHere Dual Tower CPU Cooler
Storage: 1TB Samsung 860 EVO NVMe
PSU: Prestige 800w 80+ Gold
Case: Montech X3 Mesh
Wifi/Bluetooth: Tplink AC600 T2UB Nano
this was the 500 Dollars build I did for my friend
terse glade
My 2080super will skip this gen as well
nocturne drift
560 with shipping
i recently got 2080ti evga black for 160 and 12700kf for 80 so thats a good 600 dollar build if I buy rest of the parts new
pale quartz
you care about running high textures you wont get by with a 2080s lol
nocturne drift
yeah I always get 2080ti over 3070 cause vram
also hi deco long time no talk!
apparently 2022 me came back and I am finding deals again LOL
pale quartz
hiya
terse glade
you care about running high textures you wont get by with a 2080s lol
I can play everything on ultra I just have to disable raytracing
pale quartz
I can play everything on ultra I just have to disable raytracing
yeah you cant switch off rt in games nowadays sorry to be the bearer of bad news lmao
time to get more vram
nocturne drift
is 5070 actually priced well? cause 970 launch was 330USD in US and adjust for inflation from 2014 to 2024 is 430
nocturne drift
oh nvm
terse glade
Prices are aight we see what will AMD now do lol
nocturne drift
I need them to push the 3080/4070 in marketplace down lol
terse glade
The question at which price
nocturne drift
2080ti is my go to since 2022 and thats sad
pale quartz
unless the radeon card is like 50% cheaper why on earth would you even consider it
you are literally getting new features, on a 5 year old card, getting a radeon one would be a downgrade
terse glade
Yea true that
You pay what you get for cheaping out on things never worked well for me
nocturne drift
I need 3080 and 4070 to be pushed down below 300s
and 3080ti to low 300s
2080ti will still stay at around 200 prob
brave sundial
Are Nvidia seriously relying on DLSS again to prop up those benchmarks 
I guess the uplift from raw raster might be lower than I thought
nocturne drift
I think 5090 to 4090 is 25%-35% at best.
brave sundial
Are Nvidia seriously relying on DLSS again to prop up those benchmarks <:haHAA:5...
Remember that DLSS 4.0 is 3x the frame insertion too
obviously we must divide by 3 to get the true values then
terse glade
Gddr7 compared to gddr6 will be interesting to benchmark at vram usage comparison
quick locust
Announcements middle of night as usual
A loot of positive comments about Nvidia around in servers
toxic wigeon
It's annoying I can't even buy FE cards in OCE.
quick locust
Never seen them around here
brave sundial
What happened to his jacket
or is that just the lighting
Or is he trying to age it in with wearing it and will sell it with a rare pleather-designed RTX6090FE with his signature for the low price of $4000
quick locust
He needs a new one, buy 10 5090s so he can afford it
With how Radeon is doing, I Wonder how fast intel can get to equal performance 
Would be interesting
pale quartz
I guess the uplift from raw raster might be lower than I thought
it's around 30% in raw raster
quick locust
Should wait for third party benchmarks 😛
molten flame
5080 probably isn't much faster than 4080 Super
molten flame
like a 4090D and less memory
molten flame
seems like RTX 4000 series gets DLSS 4 upscaling but not the new Multi Frame Generation feature
terse glade
AMD still using old generation GDDR6
Sad to see tbh
molten flame
RDNA4 largely improves ray-tracing over RDNA3 but no upgrade in memory bandwidth, probably will bottleneck the GPU
RT benefits a lot from memory bandwidth no matter the architecture
terse glade
lunar wraith
Huge asterisk next to that statement my friend
Well, there will be a 10% performance error, but still for $550?
lunar wraith
With dlss it'll have closer performance.
Are they only comparing with DLSS?
toxic wigeon
Yeah
lunar wraith
.-.
toxic wigeon
No i mean with dlss it'll have closer performance with a 4090. It'll still be good.
lunar wraith
this is sad
toxic wigeon
The 5080 is more akin to the 4090.
brave sundial
but but you get 400fps now
lunar wraith
Well, in the future we'll see what kind of cards these are
brave sundial
The DLSS improvements for not just 50 series cards are something to genuinely be hyped for though
willow schooner
5070 will only be close to the 4090 when using DLSS4 Frame gen with 4x generated frames.
brave sundial
The DLSS improvements for not just 50 series cards are something to genuinely be...
Mid-higher end 40 series looking like a better investment by the day 
willow schooner
Improvements to RR is what im mostly looking forward to
RT Denoising is really shit ATM
ivory creek
i seem to have found a keyboard brand that is better than wooting while having their features and its cheaper aswell. NuPhy. their NuPhy Field75 HE cost less than wootings latest, it got better switches and you can buy and have it shipped to you right away. only thing is that the keyboard is ugly like nothing else
rtings rank NuPhy field75 HE as the best gaming keyboard to date
brave sundial
Part of the paying for the wooting premium is the warranty and good QA
ivory creek
i ordered a wooting, but after it was delayed by over a month i canceled my order, i might get a nuphy instead
but youre right, nuphy field75 HE got 1 year warranty while wooting 80he got 4
pale quartz
i seem to have found a keyboard brand that is better than wooting while having t...
fyi it doesnt "have" wooting's features, theres no hall effect trigger, and its missing half the keyboard's utilities
its not a bad keyboard, its good for the price, but its not really comparable to wooting
ivory creek
huh, their HE keyboard state to have all the wooting features if you go into their site and read, including rappy snappy(but another name) rappid trigger, adjustable actuation etc. they also got 8k polling like wootings 80he
pale quartz
yeah i mean the hall effect triggers are delayed
much like 90% of other vendors who try to do what wooting does
its essentially a 0.5 version of hall effect
its a good keyboard dont let me sway you but its not what (wooting) has, essentially
ivory creek
haha now i dont know what to do, idk if i wanna wait till late february/mid march to get my keyboard. if i get the nuphy i have it right away
or atleast not that late
willow schooner
I cant go back to using non low profile mechanical keyboards, so ill be waiting a while for LP versions of this tech haha
brave sundial
LP does look enticing to me rn 
willow schooner
The razer deathstalker v2 pro I use is very nice. As someone who uses a keyboard 9 hours a day for work, it solved some strain issues I was having with my wrist
Logitech also do the G915
Tho that board rattles too much for my liking when typing
I also use the TKL version of the Deathstalker.
midnight crypt
Neither
pale quartz
they're generally considered to be out of date
ivory creek
wait for rtx 6000 series and get a pc if u wanna play gta 6 at 4k 60fps. they said not to expect even ps5 pro to run gta 6 at 60fps
pale quartz
yes they use rdna2/zen 2 hardware, and use resolution scaling to maintain a constant framerate, aka wildly outdated compared to pcs
ivory creek
wait for ps6 then
pale quartz
i dont know if you want one, im just saying theres other options like a steam deck etc
..?
if youre wanting a decision get the ps5 pro because it has pssr
i did not say that lol
i just answered the question on why not
you get what you want
the ps5 pro
chill
it has pssr
uhh, youll still want it, because games are upscaled to 60 fps too
candid flame
PlayStation will never get mods support because they don't want to open the flood gate to potential exploits to skip out on paying psn subscriptions
midnight sequoia
ivory creek
xbox series x got some mod support while ps5 dont from what ive read, but the ps5 got better performance. so its up to you
if you get a pc you can have it all but to a higher price. still up to you
digital hill
https://youtu.be/G3D7xEIvMdw?si=XcnLqXthpmOCN8Pb
The one with so much screens
That an accident can just make it super hard to repair
candid coral
My cpu have very low usage only using 20% user.Cfg didn’t work
midnight sequoia
£1500 minimum
digital hill
£1500 minimum
You mean UK pricing
midnight crypt
Gotta buy second hand for that
midnight sequoia
1080p in 2025
midnight sequoia
Maybe on a small monitor
willow schooner
24 inch is still the most common, even 27 at 1080p looks ok
midnight sequoia
How can you see anything below 27”
midnight crypt
With icons the size of the entire screen 
candid flame
900 can probs get you a great 1080p capable PC
Rnda 2 cards still can beat low-end rtx 3/4xxx so yeah
People shoot for overpriced builds then pair them with a 1440p monitor
digital hill
Rnda 2 cards still can beat low-end rtx 3/4xxx so yeah
arc b850
Can also beat the rtx 4060 and have so much vram
willow schooner
You can build a 5700x/rtx 4060 system with 1TB of storage and 16gb of RAM for about 850
candid flame
Yeah exactly and that's a newer card
digital hill
You can build a 5700x/rtx 4060 system with 1TB of storage and 16gb of RAM for ab...
Go with the arc B580
willow schooner
Na, Intel suck at long term driver support
digital hill
if they can find it for $250
digital hill
Na, Intel suck at long term driver support
But the performance makes the rtx 4060 look weak
willow schooner
Im just saying you dont need to spend 1500 to be able to play games
candid flame
For 250 you can use it until it sucks then throw it in the bin
Probably can last 3-4 years
willow schooner
There is no guarantee that intel wont stop driver support for that GPU in 2 years
toxic wigeon
Sometimes I wish there was a windows box like a dos box so you can play old windows games like mechwarrior 3 and 4.
willow schooner
Also the intel card seems to have a lot of driver issues even still.
As well as having incredibly low performance on moderately older cpus.
So while it is capable of great performance at its price, the requirement of a high end cpu to achieve that performance level makes it a no go for me when recommending for budget systems.
toxic wigeon
Jesus.
willow schooner
Get a cheaper cpu and motherboard.
digital hill
Agreed
willow schooner
Like 5700x and B450.
digital hill
But wait question, will it be stronger then a console, as they are trying to go for that
Or is that more GPU dependent
willow schooner
Both current gen consoles use a slower 3700x with less cache
digital hill
Ah ok
Also going to upgrade the psu to 850w if that is ok
Incase they ever wanted to upgrade, they don't need to change PSU
and it around the same price
just 20 more
willow schooner
850w seems overkill
digital hill
So lower it to 750w?
willow schooner
I'd say so.
candid coral
can someone help me
My cpu have very low usage only using 20% and user.Cfg didn’t work
anyone ?
quick locust
Need some?
dry pike
Sure
willow schooner
midnight crypt
Yep still ain't good enough
dry pike
I want to run Cyperpunk max settings, 12k 500fps
willow schooner
the de-noising looks great. At least at first glance.
brave sundial
next gen xbox could be coming as soon as 2026
I wouldn't invest in xbox unless you already have invested previously in them. Sunk cost fallacy and all that (like me 
)
But ah well, PS will give into PC releases after just 1 year too some day. $300 million budgets are not sustainable in the long term
Spiderman 2 is already dropping on PC in under 2 years, game barely broke even lol
brave sundial
PlayStation will never get mods support because they don't want to open the floo...
fl0w will find a vulnerability somehow anyways lmao
during his free time of being a google security analyst
midnight crypt
Feels like it's almost intentional that every PS has had a vulnerability
brave sundial
Need some?
would they really notice if one went missing?
Like that walmart or something with 50 whole copies of starfield lmao
That Tyrone guy selling them for marked up prices as well as collector editions while being high as fuck on weed
brave sundial
Feels like it's almost intentional that every PS has had a vulnerability
They should do what MS did with Dev Mode. Make the argument that exploit efforts are just for totally legitimate homebrew and not piracy or cheating.
small zinc
brave sundial
Now people are using dev mode to port literal emulators on there, I'm using some myself right now
small zinc
Preorder your server with 8x 5090’s.
brave sundial
Now people are using dev mode to port literal emulators on there, I'm using some...
As a result, the argument of "but I just want some extra freedom" from exploiting vulnerabilities is alot weaker.
Well that and the Xbox OS constantly being updated, you can't setup without wifi, surprised Sony let you do this with a PS5 even in 2025.
midnight crypt
Also forced to authenticate to MS servers
small zinc
Not even sure why I’m even entertaining the idea of a 50 series GPU. 100% pointless upgrade considering there isn’t a single CPU in existence that the 4090 doesnt bottleneck, so a 5080/5090 is honestly kind of stupid. Not waiting for frame warp either as that is engine based implementation.
Certainly not paying $2K+ either. Be curious what actual real world benchmarks show. My prediction is the 5090 is about ~30% at best over a 4090. The 5070 claim of beating 4090 is already just stupid. Not buying that for a second.
Microns GDDR7 is pretty impressive. But Blackwell and Ada both use TSMC’s 4nm node. So unless the IPC gains are just that significant, not hitting that I believe button until real world benchmarks show up.
midnight crypt
Doubt even a 5080 will beat a 4090
small zinc
Based on history repeating itself. 5080 will match a 4090. 5070 to a 4080 etc.
So for those that don’t want to pay previous gen prices for xx90, but want that performance and time to upgrade, Nvidia makes it enticing to buy the latest and greatest to match previous gen performance for cheaper
nocturne drift
Raw performance I project 5080 will be around 10%-15% faster than 4080
5070 will be around 10% faster than 4070
5090 will be 25-35% faster than 4090. (reviews will have it probably lower due to cpu bound)
ivory creek
lets wait for benchmarks, what you guys say seem to hardly be an upgrade
i hope its not true
dry pike
Benchmarking will be nearly impossible with all the AI stuff
toxic wigeon
Shouldn't be.
If you're able to disable dlss 3 frame gen you should be able to disable dlss 4.
pale quartz
the mfg is a separate toggle
dry pike
But people wont disable it if AI is where the performance improvements are in the future. So the best benchmark will be with all combinations of technologies from each gfx company, and since you don't run the same settings you will have to compare both fps and graphics quality for all combinations. Will be hell to benchmark.
pale quartz
it's not
there are fundamental laws that apply and that law is you cannot have infinite scaling with frame generation
your end output still depends on your native rasterised performance and that will never change, hardware unboxed have benchmarked DLSS before, it's not particularly new at this point
willow schooner
It will also be blatantly obvious if and when someone is using or not using things like DLSS/FG or MFG, as there are, and will always be reputable review sources like Gamers Nexus
pale quartz
it gets tricky with fsr, specifically because fsr 4 is hardware accelerated, and 3.1 is not, but nobody will be using that anyways so it doesn't really matter
toxic wigeon
I'm really curious to see the bench marks with and without dlss 4.
willow schooner
4000 series +15-25%, give or take a few % points across the whole line up
toxic wigeon
In a weird way with nvidia cucking vram this is the only time I can go "this makes sense" to any degree
pale quartz
it's not what you think
toxic wigeon
4000 series +15-25%, give or take a few % points across the whole line up
Oh I'm aware but I mean with and without.
willow schooner
Im mostly unsure how much faster the 5090 will be, because on paper its a massive GPU, but its hard to tell how good blackwell is for gaming
pale quartz
DLSS 4 reduces the vram usage by around 40%
so the lower vram doesn't particularly matter
toxic wigeon
Remember when 8k was their focus.
willow schooner
I still dont think it will be anywhere close to the jump we saw from 3090/ti to 4090
toxic wigeon
That was funny
willow schooner
8K wont become a thing because the displays arent there
toxic wigeon
I did see a comment that the 4090 had spoiled them.
willow schooner
And there is next to no media for that res
pale quartz
^
toxic wigeon
Yeah though it's still funny
pale quartz
it's just marketing Sony did the same thing aswell
willow schooner
It was just Nvidia flexing, because their competition was/is so pathetic
pale quartz
willow schooner
and it couldnt even output 8K
toxic wigeon
Just get a projector and use that to run 8k
Wait
Home theatres don't work like that anymore
Please
willow schooner
Like even if it could run a game/s at 8K (It can) it literally couldnt output an 8K signal at the time of its release in that box. they have since removed the 8K text tho
toxic wigeon
8k terraria
willow schooner
IIRC The Touryst can run at 8K 60 on current gen consoles
toxic wigeon
OH yeah I just realised there was a literal radeon 9700 20 years ago.
Apparently the card was really good
brave sundial
Like even if it could run a game/s at 8K (It can) it literally couldnt output an...
you'll need a huge display to notice a discernible difference too, won't you?
something like a 40in tv, kind of useless
pale quartz
ehh
willow schooner
fyi rdna4 is launching in 2 weeks
Releases in 2 weeks...AMD still to afraid to anounce its price or performance capabilities. What a competent company
pale quartz
Releases in 2 weeks...AMD still to afraid to anounce its price or performance ca...
22nd-24th
toxic wigeon
I was thinking about noticing the difference especially at home theatre.
pale quartz
they are rushing to launch it is a very last minute decision
willow schooner
I can notice the difference from 4K to 8K, its just an unnecessary resolution
pale quartz
aibs were informed yesterday
willow schooner
And has an unbelievable jump in GPU requirement
dry pike
Unless you sit way close to like a 70inch display for that immersiveness 😄
Also could make sense for VR
If that gets there
brave sundial
6K is what we need, just like 45fps instead of 30
willow schooner
I would often emulate older games at 4k or 8K. Lots of older, more simple looking games look amazing with brute forced resolution
toxic wigeon
Realistically just spend money on an ultra wide if you intend on going for high pixel count.
dry pike
I mean, that works too
toxic wigeon
willow schooner
Im happy enough sticking with my 4090. It will last me until the next gen of GPUs, at which point ill swap CPU and GPU again most likely. 3/4 years time
toxic wigeon
Once I get my 5090 I won't have to bother.
willow schooner
4090 will be the 1080ti for Nvidia all over again. So good that its owners wont need to upgrade for 3-5 generations
pale quartz
ehh
probably not
the 5090 will be required if you run high oled displays the 4090 can't compete with that
willow schooner
Apart from games that heavily use PT, I dont see a need to upgrade
pale quartz
1 generation yes but it becomes difficult to see past 2 unless you're intending on really sticking on
willow schooner
I mean, my 4090 gets me 300+ FPS in 2042 at 1440p without DLSS.
pale quartz
small fries, cut that in half for most games nowadays
games about 4 years old even the 4090 launched after
willow schooner
Even so, I dont use or like FG...so even these gen to gen increases of 20% arent going to amount to a lot for me
Maybe in 2/3 gens, when there are faster CPUs, and the GPU uplift will be 40-50%
pale quartz
if you don't use fg fair enough but there's probably going to be a time it's forced in some capacity or another
neural rendering is just beginning
willow schooner
So many games are CPU bottlenecked even now with a 4090
pale quartz
Nvidia will solve that themselves
they already are* with the unreal engine Nvidia branch
willow schooner
I think so to. Even Reflex 2 and Frame Warp is crazy tech...if it actually works well.
Nvidia will invent GPU time travel to see, not just predict future frames lol
pale quartz
we'll find out very shortly, driver update is releasing when Blackwell releases
willow schooner
on the same day, along with nv app updating?
cursive marten
500 fake frames
willow schooner
The tech around them in general, not specifically the cards
pale quartz
on the same day, along with nv app updating?
yes
the nv app specific features such as forcing DLSS models I'm not 100% on but the driver with reflex 2 is being timed with BL
small zinc
lets wait for benchmarks, what you guys say seem to hardly be an upgrade
Base our projections on history repeating itself. Either way, the 5090 won't be priced accordingly and this will be the first time I don't buy a GPU because of Nvidia's own ego.
small zinc
So many games are CPU bottlenecked even now with a 4090
As I've already pointed out myself. There isn't a CPU in existence that the 4090 doesn't bottleneck. So the 5090 even with Reflex 2 is absolutely pointless.
willow schooner
thats why ill stick with the 4090 for a while.
small zinc
the 5090 will be required if you run high oled displays the 4090 can't compete w...
What in the world does this mean? A monitors display type output doesn't change it's resolution or frequency....
A 120 hz OLED doesn't require anymore horespower than a 120 Hz LED backlit....
pale quartz
What in the world does this mean? A monitors display type output doesn't change ...
I'm talking about mfg lol
a 360hz oled can't be done on a 4090, you will need 4x interpolation for that
120hz isn't particularly high end anymore
small zinc
It was the example. And a 4090 can absolutely render 360 FPS on a 360hz OLED
pale quartz
yeah it can run it in Tetris maybe
it's not doing it in cyberpunk or games where it matters
toxic wigeon
I got the name ready
willow schooner
I dont think even a 6090 will do that in these games either tho, not without FG or other tricks
pale quartz
what are you talking about it doesn't work on oled?
it's a gpu feature wtf are you talking about
pale quartz
smoking some hard stuff
toxic wigeon
Dlss 4 will be updated as goes along yeah?
pale quartz
yes
toxic wigeon
To reduce the weird parts.
pale quartz
you can upgrade it yourself for games
small zinc
Frame Gen yes. Interpolation is the process of the insertion of one line of resolution being overlayed on top of another line of resolution. In the case of monitors or televisions, I'm assuming he's talking about motion smoothing which is a fake method of achieving higher than perceived frame rate.
small zinc
I highly recommend you do some research yourself bud.
small zinc
been dealing with televisions and home theater many years. your statement about a 4090 can't do 360 fps on an OLED is absurd
that was an asinine statement
pale quartz
I feel sorry for you
small zinc
and you even know it.
pale quartz
genuinely
small zinc
When you understand how displays and televisions work Deco, then we can have a conversation
toxic wigeon
I wonder what resolution linus was playing at for his 5090 video.
pale quartz
haha
willow schooner
So why cant interpolation work on an oled?
cursive marten
500 fake frames
willow schooner
Lets not get away from this bit of genius
toxic wigeon
Yeah isn't OLED a screen type ultimately?
pale quartz
yeah bit above his pay grade
toxic wigeon
I don't understand how it would stop anything else.
small zinc
It's fine. Not arguing with someone who thinks they know everything about everything. And has been wrong on several occasions in this very forum.
thinks about when he said you can't install windows on an i3 3100
willow schooner
I guess all these OLED interpolation demos are fake
small zinc
It didn't. I never claimed it WAS. I simply mentioned how performance seemed to point that it could possibly have that.
pale quartz
it's so funny cause like he's still wrong because black frame insertion has existed on monitors for decades
but he's convinced he's right
actual senile
cursive marten
It's fine. Not arguing with someone who thinks they know everything about everyt...
i feel like that statement requires a bit more context
small zinc
it's so funny cause like he's still wrong because black frame insertion has exis...
You are literally areguing the same thing....
cursive marten
"thinks about when he said you can't install windows on an i3 3100"
small zinc
You just moved the goal post now. lmao
small zinc
no it's just a bit too over your head
It's obvious you have no idea how interpolation actually works.
pale quartz
sure sure
small zinc
blatnatly obvious
pale quartz
anyways come back when you're right about something
toxic wigeon
We trust the funny computer man more.
small zinc
How did your statement of you can't install windows 11 on an i3 3100 work out for you?
cursive marten
who's the funny computer man
pale quartz
that dude I can ping for you if you want
cursive marten
You can't install Windows 11 on an i3 3100
small zinc
You absolutely can install windows 11 on an i3
cursive marten
okay, uh yeah, that probably would not work out
small zinc
recommended? no. can do it? yes
pale quartz
hahaha
cursive marten
You absolutely can install windows 11 on an i3
you could technically. would it work well? no.
toxic wigeon
Deco. Funny as in he knows a crazy amount
cursive marten
i don't think anyone reasonable would suggest doing that.
pale quartz
genuinely ill give you credit for continuing to embarrass yourself
small zinc
Just like some of your statements you make?
willow schooner
It's obvious you have no idea how interpolation actually works.
You literally just said interpolation doesnt work on OLED...why are you accusing others of lacking knowledge, when you lack even the capability to google and research before making statements of capability
pale quartz
google.com is a bit too difficult
willow schooner
Ill clip it so you dont delete the message this time
small zinc
You literally just said interpolation doesnt work on OLED...why are you accusing...
You're right. I did type that it doesn't work on OLED. THat was a mistype. Got a little flustered with what in the hell his previous statement talking about how a 4090 wouldn't be able to run any respectable game on a 360 hz OLED display without interpolation. The most asinine statement I've ever heard in my life....
willow schooner
Its from a previous conversation, where we spoke about modern RT/PT games, and their capability to run at high refresh
small zinc
Deco. You're reaching for a thread here. You made the most incorrect statement i've ever heard. I'm calling you out on it. You have absolutely no basis for your statement at all.
cursive marten
You made the most incorrect statement I've ever heard
what statement was that, the i3 one?
the one that is not even incorrect?
small zinc
No. this most recent 4090 statement.
willow schooner
which you replied to, not knowing the context in the conversation you inserted yourself into lol
cursive marten
because installing Windows 11 on an i3 CPU would be very impractical and nobody would recommend doing so
small zinc
because installing Windows 11 on an i3 CPU would be very impractical and nobody ...
I only brought that up as a reference from an argument several days ago. We're talking about the 4090 statement he said not just a few moments ago
cursive marten
i mean you're still incorrect about that
not a point in your favor
don't know why you even brought it up
willow schooner
Again, this was a conversation about difficult to run PT games, or future PT/heavily RT games. you just jumped in with no understanding or context to the conversation
cursive marten
because it didn't help your case at all even slightly.
toxic wigeon
Nvm pressing on the dual cache 9950x3d shit which would actually be dumb.
cursive marten
Nvm pressing on the dual cache 9950x3d shit which would actually be dumb.
hm?
nah let's keep pressing stuff actually
while we're here
small zinc
i mean you're still incorrect about that
About interpolation not working on an OLED? Agree. I even pointed out that motion smoothness is a thing on OLED. I was merely responding to his comment regarding that a 4090 can't handle high refresh rates on OLED and how in the hell a higher refresh rate OLED is any different than a LED in terms of resolution or refresh rate.
cursive marten
About interpolation not working on an OLED? Agree. I even pointed out that motio...
ABOUT THE INSTALLING WINDOWS 11 ON AN I3 THING YOU DONUT
Pay attention!
I didn't mention the OLED thing!
small zinc
ABOUT THE INSTALLING WINDOWS 11 ON AN I3 THING YOU DONUT
There was someone about a week or so ago that asked if they could do it. No context to why or what they wanted to do. Deco just immediately said "no." I corrected him to say that you could. Pretty easy actually. Simply change a registry entry to do so and voila. windows 11 on an i3. Can you play BF 2042? No.
cursive marten
There was someone about a week or so ago that asked if they could do it. No cont...
it's not officially supported and it wouldn't work well, nobody who seriously knows what they're doing would actually recommend someone else do that.
small zinc
it's not officially supported and it wouldn't work well, nobody who seriously kn...
He only asked if it could be done. Not whether or not he should do it. I answered the question that was asked.
willow schooner
Again, they arent saying anything about OLED in and of itself. They were merely making a statement INCLUDING the word OLED...since extreme high refresh rate OLED screens are becoming popular right now...and modern/future games, especially heavily path traced games will struggle to get 360 FPS even on a 4090
You could replace OLED in their statement with TN panel, and it would mean the same thing
cursive marten
He only asked if it could be done. Not whether or not he should do it. I answere...
But doing it would not be benficial, or really be useful, because Windows 11 itself would probably run like ass, let alone running any games on it.
toxic wigeon
As much as I dislike the application of ai for most things I'm torn on it for graphics. I think it's cool to take some load off the GPU but it feels super artificial.
small zinc
Again, they arent saying anything about OLED in and of itself. They were merely ...
Well sure! That I agree with because Path Tracing is stupid. It's a gimmick and there's a reason why most developers didn't jump on the ray tracing bandwagon. And the ones that did, implemented it so poorly that it made the visual fidelity arguably worse. But that's subjective obviously. That's why global illumination in my opinion is "the future" since it uses far less resources to achieve the same visual fidelity. While GI and RT aren't opposing technologies and in fact GI can use RT, path tracing is so overly complex and uses far too many resources to even ever have been remotely "effective". Sure, I agree, there aren't a whole slew of GPU's out there that are rendering Cyberpunk 2077 at 4K at 240+ hz with Ray Tracing.
cursive marten
My opinion on AI for graphics is a single statement: 500 fake frames
willow schooner
Well sure! That I agree with because Path Tracing is stupid. It's a gimmick and ...
Do you actually use Chat GTP for these replies, cos they feel hyper robotic
small zinc
But doing it would not be benficial, or really be useful, because Windows 11 its...
Concur with that. Something we both did agree on depended on his use for it. I merely only answered the question that was asked. at the time of the question, seemed like maybe some sort of science experiment?
small zinc
Do you actually use Chat GTP for these replies, cos they feel hyper robotic
No man. I don't. Thanks though....
willow schooner
And 90% of the time they dont even reply to the actual thing you are replying to
small zinc
And 90% of the time they dont even reply to the actual thing you are replying to
Replied directly to your statement...
cursive marten
Concur with that. Something we both did agree on depended on his use for it. I m...
can't have been that interesting of an experiment, tbh.
willow schooner
Literally nothing I said was talking about how heavy PT/RT is and why thats good bad, I was explainign how you mis-understood their statement, and attacked them
But I get a word scramble explaining PT and Rt as a reply lol
Do you have a really bad attention span or something hah
small zinc
~~can't have been that interesting of an experiment, tbh.~~
Either way. Windows 11 can absolutely be installed on a a computer running a i3 3100 CPU. Should you? Subjective. Work well? No.
cursive marten
Either way. Windows 11 can absolutely be installed on a a computer running a i3 ...
"Should you? Subjective."
i don't think that's a subjective thing. that'd be like asking if I should install windows 10 on a Pentium 4, to which the answer would be no, it wouldn't work, that's not exactly subjective.
small zinc
But I get a word scramble explaining PT and Rt as a reply lol
Because you put the conversation into more context regarding ANY high refresh rate panel regardless of the panel type.
cursive marten
question, what does high refresh rate have to do with PT/RT
willow schooner
Yeah, but at no point were you and I talking about that, I was just explaining how you mis-understood part of a convo I was having with someone else
small zinc
>"Should you? Subjective."
i don't think that's a subjective thing. that'd be li...
Look man. Question was asked. Question was answered. Can you put a 392 cubic inch MOPAR "Hellcat" crate engine in a Miata? Absolutely. Would it work well?
Well....
cursive marten
both answers were correct yet you chose to mock Deco for answering practically.
again, i'm not sure why you even brought this up, this doesn't help any of your points even slightly.
in fact, this conversation makes the entire thing seem really silly, especially the fact that you've held onto this for some time.
small zinc
Hell we've gotten so far off track with the original statement that it doesn't even matter at this point. I'm dropping the original argument regarding a 4090 somehow can't run on a 360 hz OLED display as if the display type has any effect on a GPU's performance....
cursive marten
how many games could a 4090 even get 360 FPS on anyway
candid flame
2
cursive marten
yeah okay
small zinc
I have no idea. I think most games could actually. But depends on graphic settings you're using too.
small zinc
Cyberpunk 2077 with full eye candy options on and ray tracing? Absolutely not.
small zinc
But absolutely BF 2042 is capable of 300+ frames
As a fellow 4090 owner can attest to this too
willow schooner
You can get like 700 FPS in fortnite on 4090
Apex Legends caps out at 300 IIRC also, at 1440p max settings
small zinc
I find Fortnites performance....Inconsistent. But that's pretty much any UE5 game at the moment.
willow schooner
Its bad until you play the whole map. UE5 shader stutters FTW
nocturne drift
Over 360 is basically a cpu test. I see overwatch, valo, fortnite, the finals?
candid flame
there's no way the finals could reach 360fps lol
nocturne drift
Lower settings without rtx prob.
I can test it later
Apex can do it def but yeah 300 hard cap
toxic wigeon
Is it possible for a game to bottleneck itself?
prime jasper
Is it possible for a game to bottleneck itself?
install enough expansions for Stellaris and the answer is yes.
quick locust
If my country gets sanctioned by US which brands could i realistically buy
Cause a looot of tech companies are US based
toxic wigeon
I should show some context of a game bottlenecking itself haha
Through mods
I had to literally push the game to 165 frames to un bottle neck it.
dry pike
If my country gets sanctioned by US which brands could i realistically buy
For what, washing machines? 😄
quick locust
Mobos, cpus, gpus
toxic wigeon
For context modloader runs the game at 64 bit.
Her second attack is when the game visibly slowed down for me.
quick locust
Effect spam
willow schooner
there's no way the finals could reach 360fps lol
dry pike
Mobos, cpus, gpus
depends on the sactions, but Chinese market brands like Colorful is probably most likely.
quick locust
https://youtu.be/R1UPeEOdtXk?si=FQG3Ys7bSM50jD4i
Wonder how a 9800x3D would do there
nocturne drift
I just saw a 3080 for 300. It has begun
willow schooner
Probably faster again, as the gpu is rarely past 88%
quick locust
depends on the sactions, but Chinese market brands like Colorful is probably mos...
Yea we'll see, thinking that most brands might still be around
toxic wigeon
In retrospect I'm wondering how well it would have done on 500 Mhz of ddr3 ram.
Still awful but you know.
candid flame
https://youtu.be/R1UPeEOdtXk?si=FQG3Ys7bSM50jD4i
those are some really fast ram
quick locust
Saw a 2x24GB kit at 8400 MT/s pretty cheap recently
nocturne drift
Those are prob micron die with high latency.
I think that dude is running border line xoc 8200 gear 2 hynix A die tuned.
Prob on an apex or apex encore
Oh yeah it's in the description
Green pcb with custom ram cooling. OK he is xoc
quick locust
Saw a guy recently in amd server with 9600 MT/s
nocturne drift
quick locust
On a 285K
toxic wigeon
I just saw a 3080 for 300. It has begun <:leo:760110335687524423>
Aw shit mazda is getting back into building.
nocturne drift
Oh yeah I built 2 500-600 dollars pc recently.
nocturne drift
From November I built 5 pc s
My fav is the 500 dollar 9900k 4x8 ddr4 2080ti build.
I even went stupid sold the msi turbo 2080ti for 240 got a rog strix 2080ti for 260 and flashed a matrix bios on it.
Currently I have a 12700kf for 80 and a 2080ti for 160 incase anyone ask me to do a 600 dollar build again.
I can basically buy rest of the part new and hit that mark.
terse glade
Budget builds are so much more satisfying than spend a ridiculous amount
small zinc
Though honestly. I'll probably skip the 5090 considering even a 4090 bottlenecks every CPU in existence to some degree. And a 5090 even with Reflex 2 is a 100% pointless upgrade in my opinion. But really, it just boils down to not wanting to spend over $2,000 for one PC component and Nvidia gets more absurd with every gen pricing. The 1080 Ti was the last "good" GPU in my honest to God opinion. Price to performance I should say. 3080 Was there too, but the whole Covid shortage of silicon and introduction of scalping market killed it all. And now Im just not going to ever play that game again.
Personally i think the whole 40 series in general is a shitshow. I believe the 4090 is the only GPU in the Ada line to be "worthwhile" for price/performance matrix.
I'd go Mazda's recommendations to be honest.
Sure you won't get DLSS 3. But I don't want to have to rely on fake frames and just get raw rasterization performance.
prime jasper
and you'll be fine with a 1300 pc. my kid's pc still uses a 1660 TI. no, he can't game at 1440p, but he still gets great frame rates at 1080p. if you don't care about bragging, it doesn't matter. just get what suits your needs. chasing the best every year is exactly what the people who market those cards want.
quick locust
I daily an A770 which is mostly plenty
small zinc
And if you want more current hardware, I'd have to recommend a 7700xt over a 4060. Similar pricing and the 7700xt is actually more on par with a 4060 Ti. People's opinons on AMD vs Nvidia. Ray Tracing performance. FSR vs DLSS, drivers etc....
Raw price to performance in rasterization, AMD has historically always beaten Nvidia in the budget to mid-range market.
Rasterization = raw FPS
terse glade
and you'll be fine with a 1300 pc. my kid's pc still uses a 1660 TI. no, he ca...
Well said 😌
small zinc
Absolutely. 🙂
Do a little research. You can find some secondhand components for cheaper like GPU's. (Ebay)
prime jasper
I agree with the 7700XT for the video card though. That's a good performance/value
prime jasper
Just start there, look at reviews, tweak for your needs
midnight sequoia
Old was better
molten flame
Old was better
Looks like iOS 6 on the left and iOS 7 on the right
iOS 7 was when they changed the user interface design
midnight sequoia
iOS 7 was when they changed the user interface design
Yeah. I was there when it happened. I was excited by the new shiny ui but actually disliked it. I’d love an option to revert back to the old design
digital hill
because we now notice there was actually passion on the ui
compared to the new ui which looks like
Shit
molten flame
candid coral
Need some?
Need to sell 2 kidneys to buy one of these in Bangladesh
You won’t believe but
I use GTX 1660
broken sparrow
will scalpers ruin the market for the 50 series?
toxic wigeon
Yeah.
candid flame
just don't buy them because they are not going to be what is promised by nvidia lol
midnight crypt
Ngreedia would never lie
brave sundial
Wasn't even years ago like 5
Literally like 2 years ago it was like 4x lower lol
but yeah
burnt coyote
candid flame
if it's your first time get a cheap pre-built
save the hassle of building your own pc
midnight crypt
Make an effort to try and learn
candid flame
idk it depends on where you are based, what you have access to, etc.
generally right now you can play every single game on 1080p with a rtx 3060 system
which should be relatively cheap everywhere
building your own pc really is just an adult hobby, if you don't have the knowledge or the time, get a prebuilt system
you don't have to learn about xmp, airflow, ram speed, etc. all that jazz if all you really want is to get a pc that can game
they are not
midnight crypt
Some companies do make some real shit pre builds
candid flame
yeah some of them, but even so they are still working systems
they are not scams, they are just cutting corners
what is your country?
depends on where you live, you can even go on amazon and get a cheap, relatively good prebuilt
and you have 1000 euro?
toxic wigeon
Could I recommend gettinga prebuilt?
candid flame
here's a good example
in your price range, will last for the next 5 years
even longer
toxic wigeon
With a prebuilt you can get an idea on what you want to get out of a PC. A laptop is fine too. ^
Same idea.
Just leave out the "lap" part and keep it at the "top" on heavy games.
candid flame
yeah for first-timer it's a good idea to get a prebuilt so at least you get an idea of what a desktop is and will have something to upgrade later on
yes
midnight crypt
That is one real shit case
candid flame
but it works 
midnight crypt
It's completely choked
candid flame
it's like the only ddr5 system I can find in germany that's not over 1000 bucks
amazon resellers are selling XEON systems for over 1k
trying to scam people
toxic wigeon
I can't navigate german site
midnight crypt
candid flame
oh right, ibuypower is in germany too
toxic wigeon
Saturn is literally Harvey Normans.
midnight crypt
3050 
candid flame
Saturn is literally Harvey Normans.
lol yeah I forgot mediamarkt/saturn is a thing
toxic wigeon
They were really nice and took 400 Euros off the fold.
So I got my fold (through translation) for a good 750 AUD/600EUR off.
That's actually pretty good for a starting PC.
candid flame
toxic wigeon
I would recommend a 5700x3d if you can get it.
candid flame
fast and cheap cpu
but kinda rare now
the x3d is a lot faster
yes, if you can find it
midnight crypt
If you can find it for a good price
candid flame
here in Poland it's being sold for around 274 euro
good enough I guess
not sure if you can one in germany for that price
midnight crypt
250 and below is good
midnight crypt
That's a good price
candid flame
goddamn mindfactory has really good price, I might buy from them and ship the parts here
toxic wigeon
Yeah it's a good starting pc.
Actually if I may recommend. The 4060ti would be a much better choice cause it has more video memory.
midnight crypt
There's a 8 and 16gb variant of it
pale quartz
get the 4060ti 16gb if its within budget
candid flame
it probably will be over budget
terse glade
It will be worth it. Regardless the critics, its actually a very good card
pale quartz
midnight crypt
So basically a bit more in depth auto "optimization" that they already have
willow schooner
I hope nvidia add a rebar toggle to the nv app
pale quartz
So basically a bit more in depth auto "optimization" that they already have
no it's actually good
it has RGB control/export features for performance and they are open sourcing the templates so people can add their own functionality
midnight crypt
The optimization part still doesn't seem that good
dapper saffron
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/g-assist-ai-companion-for-rtx-ai-pcs/?...
man ai is awesome
i feel like i didnt saw ces
i saw ai showcase
which is awesome
brave sundial
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/g-assist-ai-companion-for-rtx-ai-pcs/?...
They showed this off at computex last year originally right?
But now it's actually releasing
And runs locally, AMD could never
pale quartz
They showed this off at computex last year originally right?
yeah was at computex
small zinc
@novel widget AMD 7700XT or the 4060 Ti both solid options for your GPU within budget. Both are on par with each other performance wise. 4060 ti does have more video memory and of course DLSS 3 is going to be better than FSR. But both are around the $400 mark and both are very respectable GPU's for a budget build.
small zinc
Should still be under $1000
Add about $100 to your price from the 4060 you had listed
prime jasper
just price out the component. do you not have the ability to do so because of some technological constraint or is this willful ignorance?
if you're going to build, spend a couple days just researching components. make it a hobby.
and that doesn't necessarily mean becoming an enthusiast and sage of this channel, but knowing you picked your own components is satisfying.
I told you to ignore everyone and get one that suited your needs yesterday. I don't wan you to add poop 😐
prime jasper
it'll be awesome
your computer?
are you used to people teasing you or something? I'm trying to encourage you
prime jasper
no. you should be excited. it's the most fun thing in the world
candid flame
balatro
prime jasper
you'll be able to play anything. the newest AAA games? Probably medium-high settings, 60-100 fps at 1440p. You won't be able to game at 4k but that's a luxury tbh
I mean you could do it but it wouldn't be ideal
cursive marten
Competitive balatro when
honestly, i'd watch like, 4 player tournament bracket Buckshot Roulette
willow schooner
Get a cheaper PSU and a 4060ti instead
brave sundial
I mean you can only do so much when you're still based off an architecture more than 5 years ago
willow schooner
Thats with a case, or without
brave sundial
The pro sold pretty well though, fault them all you want, it works
To the point that MS are considering launching the next Xbox a whole 2 years earlier as a last ditch effort
Good standing is a bit misleading
willow schooner
I dont see what a better console will even do for them, they are lacking in software (games) not hardware
brave sundial
Because it's free money for them with their market position
brave sundial
I dont see what a better console will even do for them, they are lacking in soft...
They're desperate, so now they want to try to pull another 360
Release whole years before Sony does
willow schooner
With what games?
brave sundial
willow schooner
None like the Series X for the first 18 months?
brave sundial
Apparantly they think cod is enough
Basically doubling down on the totally sustainable "day 1 on gamepass"
willow schooner
They will make more money by having COD on PS
Same with selling their games on PS
brave sundial
I think a certain email an angry Pete Hines(head of Zenimax) sent to them gives the real answer
They wanted to buy out studios and make their future games exclusive to them.
MS initially wanted to do this for every Zenimax IP, including doom and the like.
willow schooner
Didnt PS sell like 6/1 on Xbox console sales in October to December?
brave sundial
Yeah, series x/s is selling worse than Xbox one lol
Atleast the Xbox one had solid exclusives on launch
Series consoles had literally nothing for over a year
willow schooner
And halo released in a bad state, and like the xbox itself got no content for way too long
And had a lot of expected content cancelled
And the TV show is an epic fail
brave sundial
Yet it was the most watched show on paramount+
Goes to show how shit the service was lol
willow schooner
Like at least the last of us show was faithful to the game, and made game sales surge like crazy...as a result also fueled console sales. MS just seem to not have a clue how to manage their IPs
brave sundial
They messed up the balance with the leadership
Peter Moore in the 360s had it nailed perfectly
willow schooner
Like...who even remembers that MS owns Crash Bandicoot and Spyro the Dragon IPs haha
brave sundial
A head that's passionate about gaming and is a good businessman
Phil is only the first
brave sundial
Ryan when he was leading PS was only the second, which goes to show important that is.
willow schooner
From porting studios ive worked with, even 2gb more RAM would have made the S a lot better
And not been much more expensive to make
but then again...even with a better S...MS still had no games for the first 18 months...so what software did they have to sell to make money
brave sundial
I mean an extra 2GB wouldn't make it suddenly much harder with minimising the size
willow schooner
There is plenty of space for more memory. Its not a handheld where everything is jammed in a small form factor
brave sundial
If that was the case they wouldn't ever gone third party
They need the third party money from other platforms badly
willow schooner
It can make them money, but not enough to warrant continuation down that path. Like if youre spending 200, to make 230...but still having to work 50 hours a week...are you gonna do that forever
Weird analogy, but you get the gist hopefully
pale quartz
the reason Microsoft stopped exclusivity is because for every Xbox there is 5 PlayStation's
it's as simple as that
brave sundial
It can make them money, but not enough to warrant continuation down that path. L...
Yeah, not very sustainable in the long term, especially by placing your 1st party day one on the service
pale quartz
no advanced maths or nothing required, it's about money
brave sundial
Ryan stated they simply can't do that, and he was right in the end.
Now there's a gamepass tier where you don't get games on day one
pale quartz
Jim Ryan is a incoherent moron, he's just right because Sony has nowhere near the financial firepower compared to Microsoft
Microsoft can because Xbox is part subsidised by money printers like azure they are not the same thing
I'd like to remind everyone Jim Ryan was the one who acquired bungie and led playstation into having 15 live service titles because he has this grandiose vision about the gaming industry when he's just an idiot
all those ballooning single player costs and layoffs you can thank all to him
brave sundial
Microsoft can because Xbox is part subsidised by money printers like azure they ...
Yeah but those shareholders and board members can only put up with it for so long, spending almost $80 billion across 5 years and having little to nothing to show for it
pale quartz
Yeah but those shareholders and board members can only put up with it for so lon...
yeah idk if you're aware but that's absolutely nothing with the scale of Microsoft lmao
Microsoft's Xbox spending is about strategy, not the individual unit
brave sundial
I'd like to remind everyone Jim Ryan was the one who acquired bungie and led pla...
he had a point though. PS needed live service
His implementation was just piss poor
pale quartz
he had a point though. PS needed live service
they already had it
they didn't need fucking 15 of them
the guy is a senile moron and the reason Sony are in this mess financially is due to him
brave sundial
all those ballooning single player costs and layoffs you can thank all to him
All to him? Not Hulst?
pale quartz
concord was his personal pet project and that was nearly half a billion down the drain
pale quartz
All to him? Not Hulst?
hulst maybe like 15%
brave sundial
Hulst was in charge of the studios, I'd say it's more than that
pale quartz
but Jim Ryan is the one who calls the shots, his egoism and leadership was the sole reason Sony took all the decisions they did
brave sundial
And Hulst pushed for concord, not Ryan.
pale quartz
you know he was appointed by Jim right
cursive marten
isn't Jim Ryan the "nobody cares about old games" guy
pale quartz
yes
cursive marten
yeah see he's fucking dumb
brave sundial
Was Jim personally keeping up with the progress of the game and checking in though?
pale quartz
why would I know that it doesn't particularly matter if he was or wasn't
willow schooner
Forget concord, reboot Killzone and Sly Cooper 😁
pale quartz
hulst is a ally of Ryan, he exists because he was there to begin with lol
brave sundial
He isn't absolvent of blame, I agree. But he isn't the sole reason PS is in this mess
cursive marten
Forget concord, reboot Killzone and Sly Cooper 😁
they're not going to because Jim Ryan hates old games.
brave sundial
isn't Jim Ryan the "nobody cares about old games" guy
He's completely right with that
pale quartz
he is because he was at playstation and led them for nearly a decade
willow schooner
Jim Ryan is gone tho, right?
pale quartz
he's a moron and playstation are where they are today because of him there's no two ways about it
cursive marten
Forget concord, reboot Killzone and Sly Cooper 😁
"he's completely right with that."
pale quartz
Jim Ryan is gone tho, right?
exited a few months ago
before his allies got purged
what was it a 8? million retirement can't remember exactly
brave sundial
he's a moron and playstation are where they are today because of him there's no ...
So building up PS Studios was moronic?
Appealing to the larger crowd with cinematic games paid off very well
Organic growth, instead of throwing money at the problem like MS
pale quartz
So building up PS Studios was moronic?
building up playstation studios with studios who they are now laying off and closing because they don't make any money is bad financial mismanagement yes and bad foresight on the games industry
id like to remind you bungie is currently ceasing to exist and is being merged into Sony as we speak
brave sundial
Yeah he should've slowly prepared some of them for live service instead of suddenly enforcing it
willow schooner
He was the CEO lol
midnight crypt
Bungie jumping from ship to ship to eventually just dying
willow schooner
It's insanely difficult to do anytji gnwith a rooted in CEO
midnight crypt
It is rather comical
willow schooner
Bungie is mismanaged, but still makes sales.
pale quartz
you can just read Jim Ryan's comments about the Activision buyout from playstation
the guy is a complete idiot and has no idea what he's doing
brave sundial
id like to remind you bungie is currently ceasing to exist and is being merged i...
Bungie begged for freedom while being under PS Studios, it was in the clause for acquisition.
midnight crypt
Why would they buy em when they already parted with them once?
pale quartz
Bungie begged for freedom while being under PS Studios, it was in the clause for...
they owned the IP
they do not now lol
brave sundial
you can just read Jim Ryan's comments about the Activision buyout from playstati...
Yes and he's completely right. They need COD badly. They need to play aggressive, that's how they win.
brave sundial
That's one of his arguments
pale quartz
he said they would make their own competitor to cod by the time the exclusivity deal ended
midnight crypt
pale quartz
because that's how much of an idiot he is
brave sundial
The whole thing that had MS make a pledge to keep cod multiplatform
pale quartz
no they done it because it was financially unprofitable for them to do so lol
this was proven in a court of law
Sony signed the deal because they lost the case
all those fake public cries Jim Ryan made about platform choice when his actual plan was to make a competitor to begin with
he is a snake in wolf's clothing
willow schooner
He looks like one too
brave sundial
ok sheesh were you fired from Sony in the past or something
midnight crypt
Yes i know that, i feel like there has been a slight misunderstanding
with what i said
pale quartz
I have a personal dislike for Ryan because he should have been removed 5 years before now
it's a bit too late
willow schooner
Jim Ryan is one of the only people you can get an immediate bad vibe from when watching him speak
midnight crypt
Ye
cursive marten
I don't like him cause of the "nobody cares about old games" bit he did
brave sundial
I have a personal dislike for Ryan because he should have been removed 5 years b...
That's me for Spencer
Absolute incompetent bufoon
pale quartz
Spencer is a bit of a strange individual
brave sundial
I'd agree that both Spencer and Ryan had many problems
pale quartz
tries to appeal to gamers but doesn't understand that people remember words leaders make
that's probably cause he's still a gamer at heart but that's me speculating
not always the best thing having that type of individual at the top
brave sundial
Spencer is a bit of a strange individual
Hes good at playing the "I'm just a wholesome gamer uncle" card
And people eat it up
pale quartz
yeah then shutters a studio after and does a "business meeting" after
brave sundial
"Just hands off bro, it will work" to Xbox studios
"Everwild lost its 4th director and needs to be rebooted for the 5th time? No biggie!"
pale quartz
it's the same problem with ea rather ironically
cursive marten
rip tango game works
brave sundial
rip tango game works
Booty saying they needed diverse AA among their blockbuster AAA right after they did that made me hate him.
pale quartz
although, rather funnily there's people bigger than Spencer himself in terms of influence
brave sundial
Absolute shithead, you're the one who was in charge of all these studios
pale quartz
I suppose it's pretty difficult to tell Bethesda what to do when you have a cult leader who's been there 15 years and who insist on using the creation engine forever
midnight crypt
Didn't most of the higher ups at Tango jump ship before anything even happened?
pale quartz
tango got shut because they wanted to make a more expanded project basically is the tldr
brave sundial
Mikami only really, and he stated it was planned
pale quartz
the game didn't sell amazingly but closing them entirely just leaves a sour taste
cursive marten
tango got shut because they wanted to make a more expanded project basically is ...
THEY JUST MADE HIFI RUSH THOUGH, AND EVERYONE LOVED THAT.
brave sundial
A creative at the company tweeted at Xbox pretty angrily(in Japanese) with a picture of their award, asking them if this how they treat them after getting them a game award
pale quartz
least they got a better ownership studio