technology

[brave sundial]

They're making a thin iPhone 'air'

Those engineers sure must be obsessed with making it thinner than ever

If they could remove the charging port, they would

[ivory creek]

Only wireless

That would suck

[brave sundial]

They had 'courage'

[toxic wigeon]

Ipad fold...

That's excessive.

[brave sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/courage-apple-phil-headphone-jack-gif-12886447

[willow schooner]

ipad already folds...if youre strong enough

[cursive marten]

I mean the iPad can already be made into a laptop with a touch screen

it just has a worse OS than every macbook laptop that exists for some reason

I don't understand Apple as a company.

They don't make any sense.

[ivory creek]

I just read that the witcher 4 trailer was powered by an unannounced NVIDIA GeForce RTX GPU. And that people are afraid that the game wont release on ps5 or xbox series

[brave sundial]

They don't want to canabalise macbook sales, that's why

[cursive marten]

I don't know why they care when all of that money would to go Apple regardless

why create a product that's actively useless when compared to other products that you also make

[willow schooner]

*Series S

It will run fine on the PS5 and Series X

[brave sundial]

Who says the witcher 4 needs to come out on those consoles?

[ivory creek]

Article i raid said "This has led some fans to believe that The Witcher 4 might not be released on PlayStation 5 or Xbox Series X/S."

[willow schooner]

Their investors/board

[midnight crypt]

Not releasing on those consoles would hurt sales real badly

[willow schooner]

Of course it will release on these consoles.

Fans = We made this up to clickbait and get engagement

[ivory creek]

Lol

[dry pike]

Not PC sales

[brave sundial]

I mean they want to avoid another cyberpunk but I suppose next gen will have diminishing returns so we'll be fine

[ivory creek]

We dont know when the game will be released, could be several years away

[willow schooner]

PS4/Xbox one was ass, PS5/Series X will remain very good consoles for a long time.

[cursive marten]

PS5, maybe. Series X, i donno.

[brave sundial]

Even though they're zen 2 based lol

[cursive marten]

Microsoft really sucks ass with console marketing lately and the Series consoles are a prime example of that, people can't even tell the damn things apart.

[brave sundial]

They're absolutely saving a bloodborne remaster or remake for PS6 to convince people to upgrade again

[brave sundial]

lol, lately? They've sucked at it since 2013

[willow schooner]

They dont have a capable studio to remake it. Their porting studios are either on other projects, or making new games.

[brave sundial]

it sucks because someone let me use their ps5 for a few weeks and the user experience for me is worse than the series x's in many ways

MS got alot of things right this gen in the UX department and overall things that benefit the consumer

[willow schooner]

I mean, they have only remade their UX more times that 2042

Eventually they have to get it right

[brave sundial]

But yeah Spencer had a whole 10 years to turn the ship around and I guess he kind of did?

It's just that it's more like he changed the entire ship that it's barely recognisable anymore rather than just fixing it up and addressing the problems

I wonder how well they'll be off going fully third party

[willow schooner]

All they had to do was buy Bethesda, activision and give away their games for free

[brave sundial]

ehh the Xbox UI has barely changed since like 2018

People actually complained the series consoles retained the same one as previous gen on launch lol

[willow schooner]

I would say that had he turned around the ship, they probably wouldnt be shipping their previously exclusive games to their competitions machines

[brave sundial]

Xbox PC launcher though..

Who the hell is in charge of UX for that, I want to speak with them

It changed like 5 times alone this year

The rare time I need to use it, I need to relearn how to navigate the piece of shit

[brave sundial]

I mean they did with Bethesda on gamepass

Not much with Acti-Blizz though

Likely by design I suppose

Fear of canibalising the potential of BO6/warzone

Though the older CODs are getting MS launcher versions now, a likely sign that they'll be added to gamepass soon

[willow schooner]

BO6 is on GP tho

[brave sundial]

I meant their older games library and IP

Anything before MW3 is not there

[willow schooner]

Because of contracts with other services most likely

[brave sundial]

I heavily doubt something like BO1 would have that

MWII back to MW19, sure

They either want to prepare and drop it all at once when it's truly ready or they want to drip feed it to keep those monthly subs

latter is the most likely

It's what they're doing right now with their other games like crash

[lost cargo]

Cod on MS launcher is separate server than Xbox console and Steam servers

MWR is the same exact way

It’s also a why to help out player to lessen the problem against cheaters. Old cod games is outdated asf. Easy to cheat in. MS store helps but being on completely different servers for the game

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-announces-core-200h-raptor-lake-refresh-mobile-skus

gotta keep their best gaming architecture going, plus they need to keep their DUV fabs active

[terse glade]

[livid finch]

I asked someone how to improve fps and he send me a message saying buy a better gaming chair

Does it really improve fps i got a gaming chair now what

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/retailer-lists-e5999-geforce-rtx-5090-and-e3499-rtx-5080-acer-gaming-pcs-ahead-of-launch

prebuilt with 5090 costs nearly twice as much as 5080 system

definitely a halo product with that price

The 5090 will likely have the same MSRP as the old Titan RTX, around $2,499

[candid flame]

jesus

[dry pike]

I don't like those prices. However, I do like this suggestion for a Chistmas avatar. Those are gamer kidney selling prices.
Now, may I suggest a more Christmasy avatar image? 😄

[pale quartz]

the price is fake it isnt real

SIG's always do prices for unannounced products

[molten flame]

AI images are bad

[dry pike]

I know, it was more of an idea for you to make your own

[molten flame]

Could do another face painting if I had the drying powder stuff that makes it stay put and not smear

[dry pike]

Drawing a christmas hat in paint on your existing one also works

[molten flame]

Hallomas vibe

[willow schooner]

Bullshit article

They are hyper inflating the pricing by showing a config with 128gb of RAM and 2tb of SSD storage...the highest storage possible memory config

This for example is a 4090 based Acer 7000 system and only 32gb of RAM and 1TB of storage

These Acer PCs are hysterically bad value 😅

[midnight crypt]

1tb hdd

And a cpu that will kill itself

Insane value

[digital hill]

Wait this have only have 2tb

shit let me check something

Well I came up close using pcpartpicker

but you get 4tb nvme ssd

4472.88

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wk3r74

[brave sundial]

Wow, windows 11 pro, so it must have a discernable different from 11 home for my uses and it must run faster, an Intel core i9 whatever and a 4090? Must mean it's the most powerful PC and must give me insane frames in gaming at 4K. 2TB too? Dunno what hdd and ssd are but they must mean the same thing

the kind of people they target, and it sucks

[digital hill]

only 2tb

4tb and it still cheaper buying the parts

[brave sundial]

The people they target with stuff like this either don't know or are too lazy and think they'll start a house fire if they try assembling their own

[digital hill]

I mean you can, if you cheap out on the psu

[dry pike]

Has features that enables the computer to be used for professional work purposes. Also, OEM pricing differences for pro vs home are not that big

[brave sundial]

Yeah I know, 11 pro won't do shit for gaming. But the people they target think it's better for their use cases which are almost always not that

also never cheap out and get OEM keys

[digital hill]

@brave sundial you can start a fire if you buy this

https://www.amazon.com/SAMA-Certified-Japanese-Capacitors-Extension/dp/B0C7TLSKTY?

[brave sundial]

Probably will still be better than some no brand one from temu

[digital hill]

Cheapest 1000w power supply on amazon

[brave sundial]

[digital hill]

Ah shit

It might be

[brave sundial]

[digital hill]

Found one

There the fire starter

Truly a fire starter

[molten flame]

I'll buy a Chinese PSU with no ratings from AliExpress

what can go wrong

[digital hill]

Make sure to send video, of you turning it on

We gotta see the fireworks

[molten flame]

plug 5090 into it

[rose mulch]

Any suggestions on getting a Alienware m18 r2?

[midnight crypt]

Don't

You could actually get a really good pc for the price of that laptop

[rose mulch]

But if I dont got alot of space and I travel quite a bit is it a good option?

[brave sundial]

it's a good laptop if you're fine with burning money essentially

For gaming laptops I'd check out Lenovo's Legion or asus's zephyrus

those 2 offer pretty good battery life mixed with great performance

also they don't look like they were designed by a 12 year old

[rose mulch]

Ah alright

[midnight crypt]

Asus rma

or any support for that matter

[brave sundial]

yeah but their laptops are actually built well

but yeah their rma

I would recommend omen, I have one but they still haven't fixed a major flaw a whole 5 years later - the hinges

[rose mulch]

Lol

Tbh Alienware don't look that bad

Had a dell before ran pretty well for the most part but cheaped out on the specs and was thinking of upgrading to alienware

[brave sundial]

Tastes on design wise are subjective

I like a more muted design that doesn't stand out

Alienware's whole thing is basically making you stand out and scream "I'm a gamer"

[digital hill]

Just build your own

because the issue is with alienware is, bloatware

I mean if you can't, go with another company that uses parts that are also not unique

[brave sundial]

Framework?

[digital hill]

Oh I thought he meant pc

[brave sundial]

Yeah he said he's a frequent traveller

I mean he could build a good SFF but what would power that then?

[lost cargo]

But they look like they are designed by a 12 year old gamer

[lost cargo]

Alienware is overpriced asf to what you actually are getting from performance

[brave sundial]

https://laptopmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/2-3-e1672792989259.jpg

https://beebom.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Alienware-X14-R2.jpg

I don't think so

[lost cargo]

Yea very 12 year old old design

Very bland

Basic

Boring

[brave sundial]

[cursive marten]

do they make laptops that can be used with a wireless charger

[ivory creek]

my xbox app seem to always run in the background even tho ive turned it off from the autostart. just noticed when i got a popup from it from nowhere

what is this madness

[quick locust]

Imagine 330W wireless charger

[pale quartz]

no, because that sort of power requirement would fry a wireless charger unless it was a cinder block

[pale quartz]

if you have a multi ccd processor the xbox app is mandatory due to game bar scheduling

[cursive marten]

aw.

[burnt coyote]

how easy is it to install/remove a nvme ssd just snap and go

[pale quartz]

whilst shutdown yes its easy, not when its booted though

hot swappable will cause problems

[burnt coyote]

👍

[molten flame]

I hot swapped my CPU

system stayed on the whole time

[toxic wigeon]

Wireless charging is so bad.

Inefficient as hell.

And makes the sevice hot.

[brave sundial]

It's good to have when it's there but yeah I'm not going to use some '90W' one

I mean it's cool they can achieve that, but I don't trust it

https://youtu.be/obff6ZdhisU

[midnight crypt]

Definitely doesn't kill the battery sooner

[molten flame]

heat wears down batteries

high school physics tbh

they can't fully prevent battery wear but they can slow down the charging rate whenever it reaches a certain percent, usually at 80% charge

one thing you can do yourself to prevent battery deteriorating is to never let your phone die but also to never let it fully charge either

It's a natural process that happens to all existing lithium-ion batteries over time. There are no exceptions.

happens to electric vehicles too

[midnight crypt]

[pale quartz]

this is a myth

there is no damage from having a lithium ion battery charge to 100% especially in phones because a phone will redirect current from the battery in this circumstance to be entirely run off the charger anyways so the battery is never touched, charging from death/low percentage is correct however in terms of contributing to battery degradation

[molten flame]

Ah I see

that's why I haven't let my phone go below 15% charge

phones usually automatically dim the screen and go into efficiency mode at 15%

Walmart gave me a used work phone that's been used by at least a dozen or so other employees before it was given to me, it's several years old

they gave me the phone with 0% battery life

they kept it in storage for several months at 0% charge lol

and when I got it, it wouldn't even try to charge at all

got the screen to come on for a second then it went black

So now, I just bought another personal phone since Walmart is a penny-pinching company and won't upgrade anything ever

[lost cargo]

M.2 have heat sinks

[midnight crypt]

Have had em for awhile now

[lost cargo]

Bruh. Is it really worth it tho

[midnight crypt]

For gen 5 drives probably

[lost cargo]

Tru. More power so I can see for gen 5. But I never saw that before tbh

[ivory creek]

even my gen 4 nvme has a heatsink, even tho not as large

[molten flame]

some Gen 5 drives come with active fan coolers and there are some that have waterblock options

they are really hot

Gen 4 is the best balance of performance and price

Gen 5 doesn't really bring anything new to the table except faster speeds, which is always expected

[lost cargo]

True. I see 👀

Technically in reality Gen 5 is useless unless you wanna min max performance

[ivory creek]

i get topspeeds from my nvme when installing and unpacking games at steam, it first download everything and then it starts to install and take full use of the speeds

id guess it would take full use of a gen 5 aswell

[pale quartz]

assuming you have a gen 5 slot to begin with

only top end chipsets do

[brave sundial]

Observer has some chonky ones

he spent like $600 just on them

[molten flame]

low-end Gen 4 drives usually don't even need a passive heatsink because they are usually like 5000-5500 MB/s read

the higher end ones that are 7000+ MB/s need at least a passive one

[coarse nimbus]

downloading steam games is serious business

[pale quartz]

they don't need a heatsink at all

[molten flame]

[pale quartz]

throttling won't occur unless you hammer the drive with constant data for over an hour it's perfectly fine

[molten flame]

true

[pale quartz]

gen 5 drives yeah they do, I've got one

[molten flame]

wonder if there are any slower Gen 5 drives that can do fine without using a heatsink

[pale quartz]

nah

the controllers for gen 5 drives just generate a lot of heat

at there is a point where there is a PCIe 5 drive that doesn't require one you probably don't want to buy it from being compromised in something e.g. nand anyways

[molten flame]

power draw gets lower every new gen right? Or am I thinking of RAM?

[pale quartz]

no higher

gen 5 drives will draw about 5-10 watts of power individually

[molten flame]

~10 watts too much for a storage drive imo

except maybe PCIe lol

[pale quartz]

you can't have massive bandwidth and not have high draw, just how it goes

[lost cargo]

Mmm 🤔

https://x.com/dexerto/status/1788328026670846155?s=46

Dexerto (@Dexerto) on X

Leaked specs of the rumored Nvidia RTX 5090

Twitter · May 8, 2024, 10:00 PM

[molten flame]

as many markets and countries try to have greener and more environmentally friendly products/goods, we gamers want 1000+ watt power draw from our gaming systems and upgrade every year, creating more E-waste

[ivory creek]

Ive heard that the gen 5 nvmes who got a tiny fan make a buzzing sound like an angry beehive, and that its very annoying

Lol

[midnight crypt]

Who the heck just throws away the hardware though

[molten flame]

who ever it get passes down to will probably throw away their decade old GPU because of how obsolete it is

[terse glade]

Lol i never would throw away my gpu and because it been undervolted it will outlive me im sure about that

[pale quartz]

undervolt won't save it

parts in it would naturally corrode by themselves in a timespan like that

[molten flame]

I have a low profile GTX 1050 that was left in a PC outside and a lot of the solder joints on the back on PCB are corroded/rusted and the screws that hold the cooler against the GPU chip are completely rusted but the GPU still works

[coarse nimbus]

its asking you to just let it die boss

[molten flame]

Low-power components seem to endure a lot more than high-end when it comes to physical/environmental damage or wear

[terse glade]

Meanwhile my 2080super "dont get 50s series im still good enough just lower some settings"

If I wouldn't be on 3440x1440 lots of things would be easier tbh

[midnight crypt]

8gb is big oof

[coarse nimbus]

stop taunting my 3070s low vram

[terse glade]

I know i know

I compensate it with 64gb ram

[ivory creek]

apparently you can buy transparent oled monitors from LG for 60000usd now

to get that sciencefiction feel

lol

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lesliekatz/2024/12/18/for-a-mere-60000-you-can-buy-lgs-77-inch-transparent-oled-tv/

[dry pike]

For infoscreens the tech is kinda cool. For TVs it's kinda pointless 😄

[ivory creek]

u can have windows like tony starks who show the weather and stuff while not blocking the view over the ocean

[lost cargo]

https://youtu.be/vIamEopRGVA?si=n2U2Xa_AUpsrrsQJ

[winged surge]

how do i get a account back without knowing the password, i had a whole e-mail for my psn account and i forgot the password, now i need the damn password for everything, i cant login with my psn accounts anymore because of the password, even if i want to change the email of my psn account with a new one i’ll need the old accounts password to remove it

fuck this password

[brave sundial]

Contact support, that's genuinely the only option you have

That's how I got my ancient psn account back lol

Why would someone want to hack an account tied to a psp with like $10 worth of games on it lol.

Alot harder if you have a valuable account though from what I've seen

[lost cargo]

https://youtu.be/UHBBzHSnpwA?si=OBad9WdwGBNHmQ7T

[winged surge]

how do i contact support

i can type back on the server now yaay

[brave sundial]

you could've just.. searched it up?

https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/support/

[winged surge]

didnt felt like it atm

[midnight crypt]

Never heard of google

[lost cargo]

PS support is ass

[winged surge]

didnt felt like using it atm

[brave sundial]

[winged surge]

none of the login trouble options work : (, when i click forget password it says that is going to send something to my email, the thing is I DONT HAVE ACCESS TO MY E-MAIL ANYMORE and theres not a option for that

I FUCKING HATE SONY

I

HATE

SONY

[midnight crypt]

They hate you too

[winged surge]

thats obvious

i’m glad they hate me

sony does not care about its fans

[paper sky]

Not their fault you don't have access to an email/password and refuse to contact support

[winged surge]

what part of checking contact support have you not read

[ivory creek]

i got my steam account hacked and they changed email and password and everything, i got it back by contacting support and providing them with details about my creditcard which i had used to buy games with etc

it will probably work with psn aswell

[lost cargo]

Pan support is worse than steam and Microsoft

[winged surge]

i cant find the option to talk with actual people on sony’s contact support

[ivory creek]

im sure you can send an email

[winged surge]

it just shows a bunch of messages that are not related to my problem

[lost cargo]

Sony support is only available via live chat

[ivory creek]

oh

[lost cargo]

Their VC is always off

Or unavailable

Their support sucks. The company is ok

[ivory creek]

calm down man

lol

[paper sky]

Average 16 year old

[winged surge]

man is so mad he had to check my bio

should have checked harder to find out i’m being ironic

[lost cargo]

Bio is open to the public

Anyone can check anyone’s bio

[winged surge]

i didnt say that

[lost cargo]

How is he mad to check when it’s open to the public?

[winged surge]

because he sounds very mad

[paper sky]

Still need help? You may need the following to help recover your account.
Your online ID and sign-in ID (email address on your account).

Serial number of the console used to create or log into your account.

Details of a recent transaction (including Order Number, content purchased, price and date of the transaction)

Took like 15 seconds to Google this

[winged surge]

that’s the thing

i don’t have the password

nor the access to my email anymore

[winged surge]

its a joke…

i like sounding mad at not deep things

[paper sky]

If you still know what the email is as well as console serial number & transaction history then there is still a chance

[winged surge]

okay

thank you

[lost cargo]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/shopping/huge-asus-rog-gaming-laptop-leak-just-revealed-nvidia-rtx-50-series-gpus-and-intel-arrow-lake-hx-cpus/ar-AA1wev5h

[molten flame]

https://wccftech.com/intel-now-faces-a-lawsuit-over-misguiding-intel-foundry-performance/

[native nest]

Hey guys does anyone else has Problems with the ea App not showing any friends ?

[willow schooner]

It's happening to everyone. Nothing to do but wait for them to fix it.

[native nest]

alright

[native nest]

thx i though my app i broken

[lost cargo]

remember origin is still buggy like ea app is xD

even tho origin is outdated. but compared side by side. same bugginess

[ocean coral]

I need help, is there anyone?

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-9070-xt-named-as-possible-rdna4-sku

[midnight crypt]

Why though

[molten flame]

Marketing I guess

To make it closer to Nvidia branding?

[livid finch]

Guys is there any way i can turn off these insanely annoying rgb from the case coolers

I had a controller for it now its lost
I tried everything from vids
I tried the rgb bottom on case without result
Tried multiple programs

I am losing my mind

I am 5sec away from throwing them out

[prime jasper]

cut the wires running to the lights, please unplug the system from the wall before doing so.

this is irreversible

[midnight crypt]

Doesn't OpenRGB let you configure stuff like that

[prime jasper]

OpenRGB won't control some things on my system, like the stupid logo on my video card. SignalRGB will though, but it's rife with ads. Try SignalRGB, @livid finch

it makes me kinda sad I have to have RGB software to fully disable the RGB on my system. real sad.

[livid finch]

I did, the lights were still on but the fans didnt spin

Its a tower pc with 9 case coolers

Its literally driving me insane sometimes the rgb

[midnight crypt]

9 is definitely way more than you need

[quick locust]

Case coolers? Fans? Lul

[livid finch]

I have a rtx 3090 OC from gigabyte

I heard its getting really hot so i got 9 coolers

[midnight crypt]

More doesn't really mean better when it comes to case fans

[livid finch]

Does ur pc have 9 fans

[midnight crypt]

4

3 intake 1 exhaust

Im sure you could balance your setup for good airflow but it sounds like a pain in the ass to do

[prime jasper]

huh. i guess my pc does have 9 fans too

but 6 of them are push/pull on an aio, and they never ramp up. the other 3 are 140 mm exhaust that also never ramp up.

[livid finch]

Doesnt ur gpu overheat

The case coolers and airflow ect are just for the gpu right

Cuz the cpu has its own cooler

[midnight crypt]

No those 3 are intake for the whole pc

[ivory creek]

i only use the 3 stockfans in my case and a noctua nh-d15

works well

btw i just ordered a wooting two he , but i might have to wait a month for it

😐

it say that it is expected to arrive between 8-21 january 2025

[brave sundial]

what's with their obsession of skipping numbers

3rd time they did this already

[coarse nimbus]

average 3090 purchaser response tbh

[coarse nimbus]

so you could say its a wooting he-he...?

MJ smiling at you right now

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-reportedly-preparing-radeon-rx-9070-xt-and-rx-9070-gpus-mobile-variants-also-identified

being confirmed by several sources now

[terse glade]

Du kannst ohne merklichen Verlust an Leistung die temps drastisch senken wenn du bei der nvidia app bei Leistung alles nach links ziehst. Probiers wenigstens mal aus, ich wäre überrascht du würdest ein unterschied bemerken

[molten flame]

My friend with the P14 Max case fans and D15 cooler and overclocked 9800X3D never crosses 50C even when gaming

God tier chip

think he even installed P14 fans on the D15 heatsink lol

[prime jasper]

that's how my cpu is, but my GPU is a hellish demon that cannot be cooled. even if I crank all the case fans to 100% and all the intakes, 70 degrees celsius

just...70

[coarse nimbus]

https://youtu.be/vc4yL3YTwWk?si=lsecY0X4p2cK1z-6 1-10 how fucked his this "honey" company now?

[willow schooner]

Not fucked at all most likely.

But they won't get many sponsors now most likely.

At least if this was not known in previous sponsorships

[prime jasper]

I didn't want the whole video, but is the gist that Honey scammed these influencers?

[coarse nimbus]

Lol ~14 mins in he talks about finding a post on the linus forum where a user in 2022 is like yo you guys havent done a plug for honey in a while did you drop them??

and one of the staff members is like oh yeah we found out they change the tracker even if they didnt find a link and that didnt jive with us

wait you guys didnt like use your massive platform to blow this thing up in 2022?

[prime jasper]

The only browser extension I have ever installed is restore downvotes to youtube.

because damn it, i can't make my own decisions

[coarse nimbus]

oof, then honey goes to places to get them to push their own discount code- to get a kick back from the company- and they tell them this partnership will actually help prevent consumers from finding better coupon deals

seems fairly sleezy

[brave sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/daring-today-are-we-spongebob-squidward-gif-22508233

A company that has an aggressive sponsorship strategy turns out to be scumbags?

what a surprise

Sponsorblock making me avoid my eyes and ears being subject to the garbage products or services YTers promote

[terse glade]

Arctic p14 max are loud as a plane tho

[coarse nimbus]

the pc is located in another house

if he can afford a 9800x3d at launch, surely he can afford 2 houses

[coarse nimbus]

the funny twist here though is they are stealing from the content creator as well

[brave sundial]

[coarse nimbus]

linus group was probably too busy harassing female employees at the time to really care

[molten flame]

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-uses-a-thick-dummy-silicon-that-comprises-93-of-the-ccd/amp/

Funny that people see this as a problem, when the 9800X3D is on top of the world and it will take Intel at least 2 more generations to be competitive

[livid finch]

Jesus christ linus Show me these women

[dry pike]

https://tenor.com/view/tim-gunn-eww-gross-yuck-meme-disgusting-sticks-tongue-out-gif-25378754

[cursive marten]

is this actually a big deal

kind of just seems like people nitpicking to find something to have an issue with.

[toxic wigeon]

Jesus fucking christ dude.

[cursive marten]

also yeah i'm not fucking touching that

[candid flame]

what a weird scam

[candid flame]

lmao they dropped honey then signed up with an identical program which does the same thing

[coarse nimbus]

lol yeah that part was

[molten flame]

[coarse nimbus]

love the * part

yeah nah companies are just going to eat most of the cost

[molten flame]

yeah too many poor people here, plus the overall increase in price of goods in the past 5+ years, electronic sales will fall off a cliff if there is even 10% price increase

people broke from paying $300+ for a shopping cart only half full of groceries

[prime jasper]

building my pc this year was literally the best time i could do it. spooky.

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-strix-halo-ryzen-ai-max-spotted-in-passmark-radeon-8050s-igpu-outperforms-rx-7600

engineering sample of this APU is extremely fast, the iGPU is faster than desktop RX 7600 and that's without final clockspeeds

not even the best APU either

[coarse nimbus]

doing it right before the 7800 spiked because panic, was good timing on my part

[brave sundial]

imagine being American...

[molten flame]

[coarse nimbus]

as if inflation isnt in the UK too

[quick locust]

Just look at PyroCynical

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/leaked-amd-gpu-render-confirmed-by-hardware-insider-as-radeon-rx-9070-xt

possible reference cooler

[dry pike]

Doesnt look bad but could look more premium and less gamery with the fans

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/pixel/amd-ryzen-r9-9000x3d-cpus-reportedly-maintain-higher-frequency-without-surprise

9950X3D scores similar to the 9950X in Cinebench

5.9 GHz peak single-core boost

[uncut pendant]

Tú kann vera ógvisligt at skerja hitalagið við ongum merkisverdum svinni í avriki um tú dregur alt til vinstra síðunnar undir avriki í tann nvidia app. At minnst roynir tað, eg skal vera bilsnan um tú sært mun.

[toxic wigeon]

https://bsky.app/profile/wario64.bsky.social/post/3ldyejfhy5424

Wario64 (@wario64.bsky.social)

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Bluesky · Dec 23, 2024, 4:38 PM

If anyone's looking to get it.

[uncut pendant]

i got an alienware once, but it came with a massive amount of dead pixels

good price for an oled tho

3340x1440 lol

[pale quartz]

it's 3440

[uncut pendant]

ofc

[brave sundial]

I'll wait for miniled

[uncut pendant]

same, miniled has good hdr and i prefer ips without dsc

[pale quartz]

without?

there is no monitor which doesn't have dsc in a way that can't be run anyways

[uncut pendant]

so anyone got a 9800X3D? how's the performance, my 7800X3D kind of sucked in Bf2042, my 14900KS is awesome, but obviously the X3D provide higher framerates and better one percent lows, my 14th gen chip has better input latency and more consistent frames

[pale quartz]

yes I have it

[uncut pendant]

there's plenty, DSC will kill DSR and only let you run 3 mons on the driver

4k oleds have DSC at 240hz, some of the 2k ones do not

[pale quartz]

yeah but if you remotely care about high bandwidth resolutions you can't run them without dsc anyways so it's pointless

that isn't due to DSC with the 3 monitor limitation

it's due to Nvidias display engine

[uncut pendant]

I came to that conclusion due to an old DSC IPS Samsung i had that killed dsr, upon researching finding DSC kills DSR, i assumed it also limited me to 3 monitors because both of those things happened

[candid flame]

I can't fathom how a 7800x3d would be bad in bf2042

[uncut pendant]

same thing happened again with a DSC monitor i tried

[uncut pendant]

stutter, but the chip was probably faulty, i sent it to them they sent me a new one in the box

[pale quartz]

yes you can't use dsr with dsc but again the monitor limitation has nothing to do with dsc it's the display engine

[uncut pendant]

😁 got it behind me unopened going to sell it

[pale quartz]

did you clean install before you switched in the processor?

[candid flame]

try it first before you sell it and settle for the intel chip lol

[uncut pendant]

I'm not going to take your word on that just yet, because i've had 2 montiors with DSC now that both kicked my one monitor out due to DSC but i'll be sure to research it

[uncut pendant]

nah i need the cores anyway, better streaming performance and way smoother so far, I'm sure the 9800X3D is awesome tho, i'm looking into it

[pale quartz]

dsc runs in lanes, the display engine reads high bandwidth ones as 2 so it gets maxed out, just how it runs

[uncut pendant]

i don't understand why the DSC mons limited me to 3 panels on my DGPU then

[pale quartz]

you won't escape it by having monitors without dsc

[uncut pendant]

except i did

i run 4 monitors now

[candid flame]

9800x3d is a unicorn, if you are able to get one I'm obviously very happy for you

https://tenor.com/view/angry-congrats-kid-congratulations-nice-gif-11565253382391449339

[uncut pendant]

indeed very hard to find, waiting to see how it goes going forward

[pale quartz]

yeah I mean a single (non monitor), assuming one which has dsc you will run into the same limitation

if you're strictly going for non Dsc ones then fair enough but that's a tall order

you will have microstuttering with the 9800x3d unless you clean install same as the 7800x3d, you'll need to purge the system when going cross vendor from intel/AMD and vice versa

[uncut pendant]

it is, you are right about that part, because i bought a 160hz acer and it had DSC even though my 150 hz acer didn't (both 4k). adding the monitor kicked my DSR and limited me on 3, same as when i had the samsung, that's how i'm drawing the conclusion, perhaps it has nothing to do with DSC but both monitors had some inhibiting factor

[uncut pendant]

ahh yeah i mean i always fresh installing when switching over, but fresh installs after the 7800X3D i still had stutter across a few games, but again the chip may have just been bad, after 8 months A2 was a no boot, both dimms tested and board was checked OK

[pale quartz]

uhh yeah pretty odd one on that tbh, A2 lane not reading probably means the chip may be fried

[uncut pendant]

the framerate is def lower, but the input lag feels better, frame consistency is better and some maps are higher fps, Much higher power draw of course, but i'll delid it and throw a custom IHS on, or perhaps just the same IHS so it works with the Arctic freezer III

[pale quartz]

though the 9800x3d certainly isn't a bad buy, anywhere from a 20-40% uplift in 1% lows compared to the 7800 depending on the workload

[uncut pendant]

correct i knew the minute it happened it wasn't the board but the chip, all the kids in build a pc tried to tell me to test the board... meanwhile they are bogged at 4800 cuz of the architectural issues with 7000 and not acheiving XMP

[pale quartz]

is much better than my 7950

[uncut pendant]

i hear it's monumentally better in the XMP and windows performance department

[pale quartz]

no difference in XMP zen 5 uses the same I/O die as zen 4, there is overclocking headroom because it's memory bound but you're not guaranteed 1:1 ratios past 6000 same as zen 4

[uncut pendant]

well by this i mean more chips will do 6k np, where on 7000 many struggle to achieve it

[pale quartz]

ehh no guarantee of that, 7000 1:1 is a rarity on any chip

assuming cl30 anyways

[uncut pendant]

no i meant 7000 series, i'm just talking 6k cl30

[pale quartz]

oh well yeah you should? be able to use that basically no problem

6000 is the guaranteed minimum

[uncut pendant]

Yeah many people are not stable at 6k on 7000 series

9000 from what i hear is basically flawless as you are describing the 7k series chips should be

[pale quartz]

its possible they're using old bios revisions as zen 4 memory stability was ass for basically a year, 99% of them now should run it fine

I certainly didn't have any issues with cl306000

[uncut pendant]

very true, i was on latest, i ran into some people who ran 128GB 6k cl 30 np

others who struggled at 32 to go beyond 4800

i had no issues with 6k cl28, until A2 failed

[pale quartz]

128? this is 4 dimms?

[uncut pendant]

yeah

[pale quartz]

yeah ddr5 4 dimms no support is guaranteed

it's only 2 dimms guaranteed

[uncut pendant]

one person reported they were Gucci at 6k cl 30 128, not sure if i beleived that, but yeah it's very rare, most people are bogged down to 3600 at 128 with 4 dimms

i even undervolted the living shit out of my chip too

[pale quartz]

yeah ddr5 4 dimms at that ratio will hammer the imc

[uncut pendant]

ran 1.15 SOC and 1.28 VDIMM, maybe that's not a massive undervolt but better than most

[pale quartz]

you should almost never try it anyone claiming cl306000 4 slots is stable I don't believe at all

2:1 it'll run but defo not 1:1

[uncut pendant]

yeah guy sounded full of it, but i saw one kid in task manager on stream and CPU z at 7200 on a 7800X3D i don't understand that

my t create a dies couldn't post passed 6200

[pale quartz]

he was probably at 2:1

the imc will auto downclock to half unless explicitly locked once memory exceeds 6k

[uncut pendant]

what ratio do you reccomend for a 14900KS at 7200? 2:1? or 1:1?

[pale quartz]

so 1:1/2:1 is only to do with the zen architecture it doesn't exist on intel platforms

[uncut pendant]

there is a setting for it in bios

[pale quartz]

it's to do with what data rate the imc runs at

[uncut pendant]

on intel, i have it set to 2:1

but that's something different yeah

[pale quartz]

the intel platform locks the fclk but it's different to zen that's to do with the mclk

2:1 on intel is fine

[uncut pendant]

right that started with 11th gen right?

[pale quartz]

bandwidth is (mostly) king

yeah rocket lake

[uncut pendant]

yeah i haven't been on intel since DDR4 days with a 9900KF i had at 4400 Cl17 ultra tight with RTL IOLs at 60 and 32ns aida mem lat

i am still learning DDR5 and 10nm intel

[pale quartz]

zen cares about timings 90% of the time over raw bandwidth because the infinity fabric is stacked with cache to begin with, albeit if you're using a 9800x3d you're going to be memory bound* in some situations

[uncut pendant]

yeah i read this was the way to go

[uncut pendant]

precisely, the IF keeps you down so tightening eeks out the gains, on intel it's monolithic and the ring is high af so you wanna push bandwidth

[pale quartz]

was* monolithic

[uncut pendant]

if you can run 8800 on an apex board you can see crazy frames at 99 percent usage

[uncut pendant]

so these chips are actually polylithic now?

[pale quartz]

they're using tiles with the latest generation

[uncut pendant]

because i looked at the die it didn't seem to look different than monolithic

Oh yeah

it's ported

[pale quartz]

yeah which is why it's also ass in gaming performance because once you max out single core clocks for 6 generations once you transfer architectures efficiency has to come first

little that could be done to save it

[uncut pendant]

yeah and now we have the lack of hyperthreading and windows needing to catch up to that on 285k chips. I'm scared intel will go away

[pale quartz]

the lack of HT is a good thing

[uncut pendant]

it is we just need time

[pale quartz]

it's required more or less

ever since alder lake the power consumption for die requirement space is absolutely high for HT and it makes no sense with e cores

penalises it if anything

[uncut pendant]

that's true, my e cores do all the multithreading unless it's cp2077, in which all hyper threads will execute, but yeah most games my threads are at 0

[pale quartz]

yeah since this newest one has like 20 e cores there's a seek penalty cost which scales by log n the more there is

just a architecture limitation

I'm worried for intel speaking to some engineers about what's going on internally, expect more layoffs sooner than later

[uncut pendant]

yeah both chips have 24 cores, the 14900K and the 285k, i'm running my e cores at 4.6 now, i keep the cores locked at 5.9 all core and the ring is just at 45, i think the new microcodes bios doesn't like the ring to be adjusted or i'm doing something wrong, i tested it on two boards and after a boot that ring just goes back down to 45 even if i set it to 47 or higher. I run 7200 Cl 34

[uncut pendant]

yeah they are gonna lay off a ton of people

i also shut off TBV voltage optimizations, i'm running a z790 Tuf plus board, it's really great, i can't see myself needing anything more. If i did it'd be an APEX

[pale quartz]

them getting rid of gelsinger was predictable albeit the worst possible thing they could do

IFS is now screwed

[uncut pendant]

looks like it, failure to communicate yeah. I'll be really upset if intel eats it for all this

Regardless of how well AMD cpus are performing, intel has been very reliable for me

I'm just sick of the AMD hype train, You should buy a product because you know how to use it, and know it will serve you well, not because it's fueled by bashing on a company that has been kicking it's ass for years. I think alot of people who invest in AMD are angry about how they'd have to spend a ton on intel and keep upgrading. Seriously tho, both architectures despite all the BS are amazing rn

[willow schooner]

Im mostly fine with AMDs hype around their CPUs. Its good parts, which are very easy to drop into a board, with average RAM, and get almost all of the performance its capable of.

[uncut pendant]

There's a good part to the hype, and a really ugly part, the Intel sucks and AMD is better cuz it's got what you need is bogus, The hype where we talk about the Vcache is the good part

[toxic wigeon]

It's really good. I'm coming from a 5800x3d. The new set of ram has been a breather for modding big games too.

I will admit I haven't played anything CPU intensive.

[uncut pendant]

you are playing BF2042 right?

[toxic wigeon]

I haven't installed it LOL

I've been playing mechwarrior 5.

[willow schooner]

The opposite happened for a decade for intel...so it makes no odds to me.

[uncut pendant]

still the most CPU heavy game out there, the sheer amount of AVX II makes it heat up and use more than CP2077, allthough it's less threaded

[toxic wigeon]

Black ops 6zombies apparently loves a good cpu.

[pale quartz]

as I have said time and time again there was no dual vcache part

[willow schooner]

They dont have space for it

[uncut pendant]

i mean AMD was very very bad for that decade against intel, they really only recently became competitive with the 3000 series chips and even those were shy, the X3D cache is the beginning of it

[pale quartz]

so sick of all the bs rumours

[uncut pendant]

yeah there's no way it's going to have 2 CCDs with X3D

[willow schooner]

Sure, but its not like Intel did anything different than AMD when they were dogshit with Bulldozer, ETC.

Intel wasted years sitting on their lead, developing dogshit fabs that couldnt produce

[pale quartz]

the config is 96/32 exact same as before

people just getting their hopes up over nothing

[willow schooner]

AMDs success is still way to reliant on TSMC tho. Imagine how many 3D 9000 series CPUs they woudl have sold if they didnt have terrible availability

[uncut pendant]

Partially, yeah at that time they were just refining doing their same shit, but before that when they were developing interposers is where they got their lead. I mean these companies have benefitted eachother a lot though, and i think they are both responsible of being scummy.

Oh man, if AMD had their own fab intel would be fucked til done

[willow schooner]

Like what is intel going to become, some second rate US military chip provider eventually?

[uncut pendant]

it's looking like that's where they are headed

very sadly 😦

[toxic wigeon]

What's the benefit of dual cache CCD?

What's with the narrative?

[uncut pendant]

Dual cache CCD would allow for lowest latency when multithreading across the substrate while still using 3D cache

[willow schooner]

No need for (Or less need for) fancy scheduling, or parking of CCD0 when gaming.

7950X3D basically disables the 2nd CCD of 8 cores/threads when you launch a game.

[pale quartz]

bs fake rumours

there was never a dual vcache part amd had

[uncut pendant]

2 CCDs with Vcache with the new design of having em under the die would create too much heat

[pale quartz]

it wouldnt

the ccds are segregated

[uncut pendant]

i don't think they can do it, and they don't need to, they can just keep doing what they are doing

[pale quartz]

and they're independent of each other, (they can do it)

they won't because they have no reason to and b. they would be competing with their own products

[uncut pendant]

the 9000 series are already hotter than 7k tho, 16 core chips get a good bit hotter than 8 even comparing 7950X3D vs 7800X3D

[pale quartz]

that's due the sensor placement nothing to do with the architecture

the sensors are closer to the cache because it's flipped on zen 5 vs 4

[toxic wigeon]

I wonder how much of an improvement the 11800x3d will be.

[pale quartz]

you'll be waiting a while for medusa lol

[uncut pendant]

Lets wait to see how hot the 16 core gets

[pale quartz]

medusa = zen 6

don't be expecting it on AM5 for the time being

AMDs official statement is it will require a new socket

[uncut pendant]

2 vcaches underneath would def add some heat, whether it's enough to warrent not doing it is debatable, i'm more in agreement that they don't need to do it, game mode has been their recipe

[pale quartz]

it would add heat yes nowhere near enough to matter

[willow schooner]

3D Cache RAM module ™️

[pale quartz]

the communication is done via tsvs

that's how the ccds talk to each other to begin with

[uncut pendant]

lot of people are saying that, i saw the 9800X3Ds getting pretty hot at first, but now i'm seeing different results so yeah.

[pale quartz]

the "thermal results" you're seeing are deceptive because they aren't representing the actual "heat limitations" of the architecture, fundamentally there's no reason why they couldn't do a dual vcache processor, they absolutely can, the reason is because the area where the sensors are placed are different from Z4 to z5 which is why the 9800x3d can sustain much higher boost clocks to begin with

[uncut pendant]

it's true the 9000 series boost clocks are mighty

how fast is the IF?

[pale quartz]

IF is the same between both about 1.6tb/s iirc of bandwidth

can't remember the exact number

[uncut pendant]

i have no idea what to get

a 9950X3D, keep my 14th gen KS, a 285K

[pale quartz]

do not get the 9950x3d if you only use gaming

[uncut pendant]

they are all really nice in their own way. I've seen many videos weilding the power of the 285k properly in BF2042

350 fps with hard usage locked up high

[pale quartz]

there are cross ccd issues with dual ccd processors which cause microjittering that can't be solved without physically switching off the other ccd

[uncut pendant]

you can set preferred cores to cache and run lasso

but i don't wanna do that

i want more than 8 cores for streaming tho... 7800X3D was doggo streaming even before it had issues and then killed a2

[pale quartz]

process lasso breaks game bar scheduling which is what CPPC (preferred cores) does because lasso uses its own masking system

[willow schooner]

If you dont need the extra cores, just dont get them TBH.

[pale quartz]

if you are going to assign every exe yes it's tolerable but that gets unweldy very fast

[uncut pendant]

amazing how stupid people can be, yeah i think lasso is counter intuitive personally, i heard this from some shits in build a pc

[willow schooner]

Its not like youll be future proofing for gaming or anything, cos games wont use more than the 8 cores anyway

[pale quartz]

I'm not sure why you're using the CPU for streaming to begin with tbh there's no processor which can encode AV1 without slowing to a crawl in existence anyways for consumer platforms

[uncut pendant]

the cores for me are helpful in streaming allthough a 9900X would do that just fine, non 3D, the 7800X3D stuttered and had 90 percent usage in BF2042 while streaming it was just too much

[willow schooner]

I wish windows had affinity memory 😛

[uncut pendant]

i'm not i'm using the GPU

it still ramps up the usage of the CPU a bit

[pale quartz]

nowhere near to a point that matters, well shouldn't anyways

[uncut pendant]

and with only 8 cores in AVX II heavy BF2042 it's up too high, my streaming experience in discord with NVENC was terrible

[uncut pendant]

that's what they all said, but as you know BF2042 uses the most CPU usage basically out of any game

[pale quartz]

which GPU is this specifically?

[uncut pendant]

4090

[pale quartz]

and what was your encoder settings?

[uncut pendant]

was worse on the 7900XTX for obvious reasons

i was just using discord, but basic settings in OBS

and use with the virtual cam, it was just so high usage for BF2042 on only 8 cores and 16 threads, then added streaming it started to slow performance a bit

not really signifigant but enough for me to care

[pale quartz]

you'll be using default settings which are terrible, the problem wasn't nvenc just configs for obs are not good without modification with nvenc

[uncut pendant]

the switch to intel aside from being a defective Cpu was noticably better

[uncut pendant]

issue wasn't really with twitch and OBS tho, this is all discord i'm talking

[pale quartz]

discord streaming?

[uncut pendant]

actually in OBS it was fine

[uncut pendant]

yeah

[pale quartz]

discord streaming uses AV1 and that's exclusively the GPU, so yeah you wouldn't be able to simultaneously use both

[uncut pendant]

obviously it's not as good but way more practical when gaming with friends

[pale quartz]

it doesn't involve the processor even with that codec

[uncut pendant]

i use OBS for vitual cam while i use discord

it still adds usage to the CPU when you stream in Discord

[pale quartz]

OBS uses the GPU too

[uncut pendant]

with AV1

[pale quartz]

yeah but your problem wasn't the processor your problem was you were just maxing the GPU

you could have just got an external card like a a380

[uncut pendant]

Problem doesn't exist anymore on intel tho

same settings

i tried the external card it didn't work out, allthough i tried the elgato X

i could try the elgato pro, but the a380 is much better

i'd run a seperate pc then and yeah problem fully solved, but i have no need to

[pale quartz]

it needs to be a discrete card specifically*

[uncut pendant]

yeah

i'm considering using my 7800X3D as a streaming rig

and throwing an a380 in there and doing just that

[pale quartz]

the problem will arise again you can't really escape it tbh all it takes is the right game, Warhammer and flight sim will absolutely bust anything 2042 can remotely do so it would more than likely pop up there

[uncut pendant]

but thing is with AV1 in discord on the intel cpu it's just better, lower cpu usage and all, This only was a thing in BF2042 because of how high the usage was while using discord streaming increasing cpu usage and virtual cam in OBS

[pale quartz]

that's because the iGPU is much better

[uncut pendant]

so you are right it's not that the streaming in discord was not handled by the chip, just ran out of resources is all playing BF2042

[pale quartz]

it can accelerate AV1 the iGPU in zen 4 cannot

[uncut pendant]

Ahh yeah nice. I didn't know that

[pale quartz]

it uses a zen 2 architecture which only supports av1 decode not encode so effectively on that chip you are using software encoding which would well, kill any performance

[uncut pendant]

i use 6 monitors, and two are on the igpu. i noticed watching streams on my IGPU monitors is way smoother too, even when i had my mons on my 7800X3D raphael iGPU

[pale quartz]

yeah they're useful for that because you can isolate any tasks basically

[uncut pendant]

so it wasn't even really resources just lack of proper IGPU, however the CPU usage was going up from virtual cam with an already existing ultra high usage on an 8 cores from BF2042 i still believe that played a small part in it.

[pale quartz]

yup, well, a small part, but the problem is just the iGPU difference

[uncut pendant]

i use virtual cam to cast 2 iphones as webcams through discord, and discord is shit so that doesn't help

yeah

gotcha

[pale quartz]

before you ask the iGPU in zen 5 won't solve it

same one as zen 4

best course of action is probably just to get a a380 tbh saves a decent amount of headaches and it's AV1 encoding performance is phenomenal

[uncut pendant]

you think i'd have benefit from an a380 in the same rig?

[pale quartz]

for sure

[uncut pendant]

you are going to make me buy the creator

[pale quartz]

it consumes basically 0 power anyways just obv make sure you've got room to fit it

[uncut pendant]

yeah the tuf board i got is not preferred for this

[pale quartz]

you can offload some of the monitors to it even and drop the idle draw of the 4090 in the process

[uncut pendant]

could do it, but i'd have to drop my lower case fans, and the creator is designed for it

yeah for sure

well actually no

because my 4 mons are all gaming high refresh mons

[pale quartz]

yup would defo draw the idle draw

[uncut pendant]

what you think of the creator board?

z790 pro art creator?

[pale quartz]

sec I'll take a look

[uncut pendant]

i got my tuf plus for 219, the tuf pro can do 7800 and has a 16x slot the plus don't have the creator has 2 beefy pci e 5.0 slots

and on board TB4

[pale quartz]

what 4090 model have you got the fe?

[uncut pendant]

tuf

[pale quartz]

ah gotcha yeah should be fine tbh with the pro art

[uncut pendant]

nice, yeah i'm going to think about this

[pale quartz]

slots seem like they're spaced out enough

[uncut pendant]

1kw good right?

[pale quartz]

more than fine the arc card will draw barely any power

[uncut pendant]

yeah i need to sell my hardware and i can get this going

they got 2 proarts left in brooklyn

[pale quartz]

quite rare id advise arc for anything tbh but for your use case it's basically perfect

is a monster for encoding in general

[uncut pendant]

yeah because i'd like to take 0 hit while streaming, the hit i take now is signifigantly lower than when i had a 7900XTX and a bit lower with the 4090 and the AMD CPU

i hear this yes

[pale quartz]

rdna3 is absolutely terrible for encoding stay clear of anything Radeon for streaming

rdna4 is even worse

[uncut pendant]

so dogshit bro, yeah i had a 7900XTX it was terrible for gaming too... AFMF is slime, AFMF2 is goo, and Raytracing is abysmal, powerdraw is disgusing and there was stutter

bout 40 percent of my stutter went away from swaping to the 4090

[pale quartz]

not even the worst part

[uncut pendant]

another 20 from going to win 10 from 11

the rest from switching from zen 5 to raptor

[pale quartz]

there is an architecture defect in rdna3 which makes it impossible to encode 1080p av1 videos

and rdna4 doesn't support double pass encoding a fundamental basic thing which means it's going to have worse quality.. than rdna3

[uncut pendant]

unreal, that's why i talk about the AMD hype train

it doesn't just extend to the CPU battle, it's all over. no one looks at the details

[willow schooner]

Radeon is basically a different company

[uncut pendant]

that's true enough

and i remember when they were good when i was a kid

[pale quartz]

the Radeon division is just terrible there's no way to shake it they've somehow gotten worse the longer time goes on

[uncut pendant]

and now they are better than ever they still suck

[willow schooner]

Bafflingly terrible decisions...altho they are fighting a competent opponent (Nvidia)

[pale quartz]

rdna4 had to be scrapped and remade because they couldn't get MCM to work correctly which is why they're back to monolithic

[uncut pendant]

yeah they are better performance competetively yet they are worse on a technical level

now i need to sell a 7800X3D, 6k cl30 t creates, a x670 e f strix, a superflower gold 850, nhd15, and get a a380 return my tuf and get a creator board and i'm good to go

either that or just buy a 4TB 990pro 😄

[toxic wigeon]

I'm curious to see how the 5090 will wind up

[uncut pendant]

could just save my money yeah

@pale quartz you reccomend lasso for intel?

[pale quartz]

no, intel's thread director 99.5% of the time does as its supposed to

[uncut pendant]

yeah it seems very reliable. I feel bad for those on a 7950X3D having to do all that crap

i heard they fixed it with agesa updates, but then i heard not as well

[pale quartz]

was never resolved

saying that as someone who had that chip for a year and a half

[uncut pendant]

i don't typically believe anyone who says they fixed it with amd

got kids saying they fixed the GPU driver issues with AFMF

the minute you move in a game you get 5 times the latency DLSS FG induces

[pale quartz]

afmf was never "fixed"

[uncut pendant]

yeah it can't be, because they'd have to consider broken to begin with, and they don't

here's an example

[pale quartz]

Intermittent driver timeout or crash may be observed while playing Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2 on some AMD Graphics Products, such as the AMD Ryzen™ AI 9 HX 370. Users experiencing this issue can enable Variable Graphics Memory in AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition as a temporary measure (AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition -> Performance -> Tuning -> Variable Graphics Memory).
Intermittent stutter may be observed while playing Marvel Rivals when AMD FidelityFX™ Super Resolution 3 frame generation is enabled. Users experiencing this issue are recommended to disable AMD FidelityFX™ Super Resolution 3 frame generation in the per-game settings as a temporary workaround.
this is AMDs own notes on their latest RDNA driver

[uncut pendant]

Yup, And add World of Warcraft to that, which was apparently fixed by 26.6.1 or w/e

(it's not) this is why i bought a 4090 didn't wanna suffer in linux distros just to have stable WoW

but if you ask ancient gameplays what he thinks about AMD GPUs he'll tell ya

they brag about how good AFMF is while they rant for hours about how turning MPO off will help you..... AMD GPU users waste time

[pale quartz]

MPO should never be disabled because it causes games to break apart, but yeah if you with w/ linux then RDNA is a no go

there is (one) thing where buying RDNA is fine and its if you care about pure gaming, and absolutely nothing else, RT etc, which is maybe 0.5% of people if youre being nice

[uncut pendant]

MPO also causes flickering while alt tabbing windowed games, it's not going to help, they tried to reccomend that to solve the WoW crashing issue, WoW will be flawless in Linux but fuck updating kernels to have em break and learning something as masochistic as archlinux

RDNA was good for pure rasterization in a bunch of triple a games. nothing more. I had so much stutter on both my xt hellhound and my xtx merc 310

[ivory creek]

ah sht, i ordered a galaxy watch 7 and wrote my zip code twice instead of my town name, but theres no other place in my country with the same code. will it work anyway?

[pale quartz]

as long as you put the address it will be fine

[ivory creek]

thanks

[molten flame]

I hear Qualcomm wants to eventually make swappable DIY SnapDragon desktop CPUs

[prime jasper]

swappable would imply they have made it so one would not have to apply thermal paste?

[pale quartz]

he means socketable

[prime jasper]

ok. i read that as a feature and got confused. clear

[knotty carbon]

i installed battle field and i tried to load in a game but when its loading it crashes anyone had this problem if yes pls ehelp me

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-pcb-leak-reveals-massive-gb202-gpu-package

it really is two 5080s fused together

(probably not)

or maybe massive singular ~800mm^2 chip

[burnt coyote]

i bet its gonna be $3000 aud or more

[terse glade]

All talk about 5090 and here I am waiting to see for 5060ti details

[molten flame]

5070 is 250W and 5070Ti is 300W minimum

[willow schooner]

That's 2 separate pcbs

[ivory creek]

what if nvidia could use their cutting edge ai to optimise everything, making everything faster and cheaper to create and actually release gpus that are cheaper than last time

[dry pike]

Algorithms are already used in PCB design. Enhancing that with AI is probably already being done. I doubt Nvidia will make things cheaper though. They want alle the money after all.

[terse glade]

That's no issue tbf, just reduce power limit on nvidia app to cut the consumption into half. My max tdp on my 2080super is 125W now for like 4 fps in avg less

Kinda worth for me

And the scary thing is, 50s series will be even more efficient

[midnight crypt]

Doesn't nvidia always aim for like 60% profit margins

[pale quartz]

60-100%

[terse glade]

They do a great job so let them make this money for more research and development

I don't see a issue here

The only issue are scalpers

[pale quartz]

they don't care about the consumer market lol

there is no "research and development"

HPC and server is everything it makes up around 75% of their revenue gaming is like 7%

[terse glade]

7% sounds low but at that size we are even with 7% in billion territory

[pale quartz]

not sure what you're getting at here it is low

there is no R&D for the consumer division because consumer GPUs are devolved from the server GPUs to begin with which is why Blackwell is a MCD in servers and monolithic for discrete

[terse glade]

So actually it's just a side product

[pale quartz]

yes

[terse glade]

Damn

[willow schooner]

Nvidia still generates more revenue per quarter in their gaming sector than AMD does in their datacenter sector

[elder saddle]

Battlefield 2042 on GeForce now how do i fix the constant lagging on multiplayer 60 vs 60

[dry pike]

The chaos gamemodes will lag a big. That's part of the chaos part.

regular 128p conquest should work fine without lags if the hardware can keep up

[molten flame]

Nvidia insider says that 8GB VRAM is equivalent to 12GB with the upcoming neural rendering feature

Nvidia making an excuse to not increase VRAM capacity for the 5060 and 5070

I'm gonna tell Nvidia that my $500 is equivalent to a $1000 GPU

[coarse nimbus]

[midnight sequoia]

$1600 solid aluminium keyboard

[molten flame]

heavy duty door wedge

[cursive marten]

articles i could find say it cost $2,100

https://mechboards.co.uk/products/hyper-7-v4?variant=41911394795725 which is funny because this only costs about $480

[molten flame]

5070 slower than 4070Ti in 3Dmark

[burnt coyote]

Is there a amd equivalent of a 4090?

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah no.

That just doesn't work.

I don't believe no matter how fast you make your hardware you still need an actual decent storage size.

[short pawn]

anyone know software like Steel series Sonar

specifically the audio seperation part so i can controll chat, media and game volume on different levels

[midnight sequoia]

It’s $1600 but it’s out of stock on their website. It old sold out very quickly.

[uncut pendant]

nope

[pale quartz]

RDNA4's top SKU will be between a 4080 and 4090, otherwise no there's no equivalent

[uncut pendant]

yup and the 4080s is still ahead of the 7900XTX in RT and frame gen drastically i'd say.

DECO what CPU do you use now?

[pale quartz]

no rdna4 not 3, the xtx is rdna3, rdna4 isn't out till next year

I've got the 9800x3d

[uncut pendant]

ahh okay

ahh yeah you were talking about RDNA4 that hasn't come out yet, yeah that should be in between hopefully in the RT department, but framegen we'll see

I'm about to sell my 7800X3D (brand new) and get a 990 pro 4TB

[pale quartz]

it will not match in RT, just raw raster

[uncut pendant]

expected. but it should be closer to 4080s RT perf than RDN3 obvs. I just don't think they are ever gonna get framegen down until they start doing things like nvidia there

and don't get me wrong you can get some good frames with AFMF 2, and run RT but then you move around and it's nutty latency

[pale quartz]

I assume you mean fsr in which case yeah that's not going to happen, afmf isn't a frame generation technique so much as it's just a interloper in the driver

they've had this kind of thing for about half a decade now isn't anything particularly new

[uncut pendant]

technically yeah, but AFMF is what you compare against DLSS frame gen, i didn't mean FSR, FSR is just upscaling. but that's probably one of their better tools

like yeah AFMF isn't true frame gen like DLSS Frame gen and that's why it basically sucks but they are using it to do the same thing

[pale quartz]

negative, fsr has frame generation

[uncut pendant]

oh you were referring to FSR frame gen

[pale quartz]

afmf isn't what you compare

[uncut pendant]

yeah i heard it was also terrible

That's very recent though

[pale quartz]

it's not awful it's just not close

similar situation with xess

[uncut pendant]

i heard it was worse than AFMF is this true?

[pale quartz]

no

afmf is worse

[uncut pendant]

yeah. that's what i thought but of course an AMD was clowning around saying AFMF2 is fixed now.... it was never broken it just sucks because of what you say, it's not really frame gen it's an interloper from the driver, it's nice that you can use it in multiple APIs and any game, but the latency it adds makes it only viable for slow walking through a game

but yeah that's good to hear that FSR frame gen is better than AFMF2 full release and yes you are correct if it's better you'd compare that

[pale quartz]

it's built into the driver it's always going to be worse than a SDK implemented in a game just how it goes, there are very niche areas where afmf is usable e.g. racing games where the framerate is capped, but otherwise it's not usable

[uncut pendant]

correct yeah. well there aren't too many games where you can use FSR FG right?

[pale quartz]

you just can't compare it to DLSS for comparison wise they're different things

[uncut pendant]

I mean, you kind of had to before FSR FG existed

[pale quartz]

you couldn't it doesn't matter if it existed or not

they are different things and not equivalent

[uncut pendant]

Everyone is going to compare them to reveal that nvidia's FG is superior to whatever generates frames from AMD

and every person who uses AMD will say their Frame gen from AFMF is great

[willow schooner]

Before it existed people called nvidia FG crap and fake frames. As soon as AMDs released, frame gen became suddenly great and wanted. 😅

[uncut pendant]

because they are blind. You are correct you shouldn't compare them, but eveyrone does

[willow schooner]

Interested to see where nvidia goes next with this neural rendering.

[pale quartz]

it's not because it causes tearing/frametime spikes etc which is inherent to a driver level frame generation technique, it just makes games feel unnatural and like they're running fake, which well, they are

[uncut pendant]

i've always felt AFMF was fake frames, it's actually better latency to just keep it off and have a lower framerate, you don't even get the framereadout outside of AMD's OSD

yet i knew people who would just sit there veg out and say oh yeah it works great

i tried myself the preveiw drivers for AFMF2, it was better, but it still sucked

[pale quartz]

you can't get the frame readouts because the frames are coming via the driver rather than the game, no software can detect driver changes except Radeon itself

[uncut pendant]

exactly

[brave sundial]

I mean it helped that amd's supported alot more hardware, but as a result theirs was quite worse than Nvidia's in many areas

[uncut pendant]

It works if you go well beyond your refresh rate and don't continue to increase quality to lower input latency a bit though, like in capped racing games as you say

[uncut pendant]

i tried to explain this to the mods in the AMD official discord and they said it was false

[pale quartz]

there is a reason Nvidia never made a driver frame generation feature because well they didn't need to but because it's inherently worse than one that's manually implemented into games

with that being said DLSS is controlled via the driver

[uncut pendant]

yeah tell that to Krischeetah please in AMD discord

[pale quartz]

so technically it has "driver configuration" ig

[uncut pendant]

they will milk AMD for everything they are worth.

[willow schooner]

More like driver customization tho, right?

[pale quartz]

nah controlled outright

the DLSS configuration i.e. version is embedded in the driver when you use it for games e.g. what model it will default to etc

DLAA is also exposed via there

[uncut pendant]

"it gets the job done" It really didn't imo

it has to do with the infrastructure of how they use AI to make Framegen work with nvidia

i have a good feeling XeSS frame gen when it gets it's full update will surpass AMD FSR FG or at least be equivalent

[pale quartz]

it's just different approaches

[uncut pendant]

how does that frame gen in starfeild work tho?

that's not FSR FG or DLSS FG? or is it both depending on what GPU you got?

it just says Frame gen

[pale quartz]

fsr is 100% software accelerated i.e. doesn't use any hardware acceleration (even on Radeons own cards ironically), xess uses the xmx instruction set and DLSS uses the OFA

[pale quartz]

yes it's this

[uncut pendant]

they also lied about that in AMD discord, i said just that, FSR FG and AFMF is pure software.

They claimed they both use the same amount of AI and hardware

[pale quartz]

afmf isnt

it does use hardware acceleration

fsr is software accelerated though

[uncut pendant]

well they were talking about AFMF i'm surprised that FSR doesn't yet it's better than AFMF

obviously i understand how something software accelerated could still be good

but how could they screw up so bad on hardware accelleration with AFMF? Maybe they are acheving what they want it's for a purpose I'm missing? it seems like a scam

[pale quartz]

it's just different approaches, fsr is intentionally SW so it can be used on a wide range of cards, the drawback is you get worse quality and in general worse upscaling performance because it has it's limits

if your GPU is terrible for rasterisation in a game then fsr will make your performance worse etc

[uncut pendant]

Yeah and AFMF isn't really frame gen like you say, it's fluid motion frames, so it's purpose is to generate more frames in a capped game to lower input latency, not to actually add frames and lose minimal latency. So the fact that it's hardware and sucks ot me doesn't mean anything... Still a scam because you can literally just achieve the same input latency by not capping frames and letting you go over the buffer, if that causes tearing these days i'd be shocked

[pale quartz]

afmf doesn't lower input latency, that is impossible because it's coming from the driver, all it does is insert more frames, it doesn't do anything regarding input latency that will always be worse

[uncut pendant]

It definitely feels smoother if you run AFMF, as long as you don't keep tuning the settings up

so it's adding frames above your buffer, this alone lowers input latency, if you are saying it's not directly doing it ofc not

but if you run AFMF and then tune settings up to achieve the same frames you had before it was on it feels way worse

[pale quartz]

it will (feel) smoother because your frametimes have suddenly halved, but your input latency will always be higher than whatever framerate you're natively at, the only case where you could get lower is if you doubled from inside the game, afmf is coming always via the driver so there is a penalty in the render queue pipeline

[uncut pendant]

because it's not true frame gen like FSR FG/DLSS FG. those are meant to actually get more quality out of the game. My point is you can just forego AFMF and not Cap the framerate and you'll get the same amount of input latency reduction by being a decent small bit off FPS above your buffer

[uncut pendant]

so input latency and frametimes are not directly related?

[pale quartz]

yes they're not

[uncut pendant]

i see, i'm using the wrong word when i say Input latency then, i guess i just mean, overall latency because of frametime reduction

[pale quartz]

frametimes aren't to do with latency they are just a metric for the interval between frames of whatever you're rendering

[uncut pendant]

so you can actually still make the game feel smoother without touching latency at all

i didn't realize that was possible, i thought frametimes were another measure of latency

[pale quartz]

yes well that's what frame generation does, without having a noticeable impact on latency to the point of being able to notice anyways, frametimes measure how "smooth" a game will feel to the end user, latency is separate to this specifically, the metric for that is GPU/CPU seek time

there are cases where you can get lower input latency from frame generation but you need to be able to generate 200> in a game to begin with to pull this off

[uncut pendant]

ahh yeah, i see, so having a higher framerate than your buffer helps input latency to a point, but the purpose of AFMF / AFMF2 is to lower frametimes, so you can combine both methods, but if you actually want more frames for quality you use FSR/DLSS FG

[uncut pendant]

exactly yeah, that's what i was getting at with AFMF as well, you can not suffer the massive shitty motion latency hit by having huge framerates to begin with with that too, also obviously works for FG

[pale quartz]

afmf doesn't help frametimes, only the framerate, it is coming via the driver

it is a predictive piece of tech so frametimes will spike erratically etc

mostly because it switches itself off in high motion scenes

[uncut pendant]

yeah but like i said, if i run high fps and turn on AFMF the game felt better, you attributed it to frametimes

[pale quartz]

yes well until you move the mouse enough and it switches itself off which makes the quality worse, which is why the tech is not usable

[uncut pendant]

i mean higher framerate gives you better frametimes yeah

yup that was the issue with it, exactly

i have a way better understanding of it now. Either way. Glad to be on nvidia

[fringe mica]

Anyone else having stuttering issues on their Ally x? Tried AMD chill and different vram settings (Auto,8g,16g), borderless and fullscreen, different power modes. Can hit ~60fps at 900p and around 80-90 fps at 720p but the studdering makes the experience absolutely unplayable.

[uncut pendant]

i had a ton of stutter on AMD GPUs in BF2042 only solution was to switch to nvidia

[small zinc]

The problem with the Ally X or any handheld for that matter is they're using an extremely underpowered AMD 7840U/780m ("Z1 Extreme") APU equivalent to less than an Nvidia 1650. In fact its actually closer to a 1050 Ti in terms of performance. While the Ally X increased it's memory, thus improved bandwidth, it's still unfortunately hampered by a pretty low tier APU, even when ran on the included power adapter in "extreme" mode aka 30 watts of TDP. Stuttering is going to happen due to frame drops and depending on the game, might need to be capped in order to achieve less stuttering. I had the Ally X for a brief period and though it is an improvement to the orginal Ally, Windows based x86 handhelds just simply aren't there yet. Not without the help of an external GPU connected via Thunderbolt, and at that point, might as well just get a laptop. Certain games will run better obviously such as Forza or any other highly optimized game to run on lower end hardware. But don't expect 100+ FPS on graphically intensive games at 1080p resolution without stutter or frame drop.

[fringe mica]

Understandable. Like i'm shocked with B06 I can run at 120fps at 900p with fsr of course. I'm not expecting earth shattering frame rate but I was hoping at least 40-60fps with no chopping. I can even run SQUAD on the thing no problem.

[small zinc]

Yeah, the Ally X or other handhelds will certainly run "AAA" games at fairly playable frame rates. They're fairly impressive all things considered, but for the asking price of $800, I was pretty let down. Battery life was greatly improved on the Ally X, and slightly better performance due to the increased memory to 24 GB and increased bandwidth. But the only thing I really enjoyed using my Ally X for was an emulation machine.

And for $800, you can certainly find a pretty stout gaming laptop second hand on Marketplace or Ebay, even outlets like Best Buy or Amazon warehouse that was returned for whatever reason and get a signicantly better playing experience. Having to be tethered to a power supply to get those playable frame rates on a handheld negates the purpose of a handheld in my opinion.

[fringe mica]

cries in canadian

had to fork out 1100 for the X

[small zinc]

Ouch. I'm sorry

Forget that Canadian upcharge....

[fringe mica]

tbf I only got it because i'm on call 24/7 for snow plowing and I wanted something for in the truck

So if I end up keeping it i'll probably sell this laptop with the 4070

[small zinc]

I pawned my Ally X on Marketplace and bought a PS5 Pro, lol.

[fringe mica]

Xbox was the right fit for me bc of gamepass ultimate

[small zinc]

But I understand why you have one and for your use purposes. I actually did enjoy my Ally X when I was on deployment. So I fully understand the reason for them

[fringe mica]

location location location brother

[small zinc]

Hung out with quite a few of your fellow Canadian bretheren while I was in Greece.

Canadian destroyer pulled into Crete, and was parked at the pier directly in front of us.

You guys can put away the beer.

lol

[fringe mica]

off topic now but i'm 24 I thought about enlisting quite abit for line tech. Just nervous on pulling the trigger because of the state of housing and they can throw me wherever

[fringe mica]

28 a week of heavys buddy, it isss what it isss

[small zinc]

I can't speak to all the differences between military obligations and state of housing between us across the borders. I can say that the state of real estate here in the states isn't great either and I'm not sure the U.S. ever really fully recovered from the great housing crash in 2008. Right now it's fully a sellers market and not a buyers market. But as for military, i've been active duty now a little over 18 years. I'm not married to it by any means, but having a steady paycheck while not super great by any means, keeps a roof over my head and food on the table with a few toys here and there when I can. It's always been a means to an end, finishing my education while on the Navy's dime, and opening better career opportunities for when I retire. I'd imagine in Canada, it would be very similar.

[fringe mica]

100 percent agree with that take on the housing market and that the job security is priceless. We have NCM step which is probably a similar college program which shocking they don't advertise more but instead wanna advertise they're lifting more hair restrictions lol.

[small zinc]

Obviously if you do decide to enlist, then they can put you wherever they need you. That's just part of the job while you're in. Does it suck to be relocated/move every 3-4 years? Absolutely. Not sure how long orders are for in Canada, but imagine likely similar duty tours. But I too enlisted at 24 years old. I'm 42 now. I'll be fully retired from the Navy in 2027 at 21 years of service so I can still be young enough to go on to do something else. Gaining job experience, having that job security, and a steady paycheck and then the icing on the cake is whatever career you step into following your military career whether you do the bare minimium contract, or retire, employers will look at you with more favor. Having a security clearance also puts you league ahead of other applicants too.

[fringe mica]

Appreciate the encouraging words brother. Being 24, it's definitely getting to that time of now or never.

[small zinc]

Yeah brother. I know this is off-topic obviously. But hope that puts a different perspective for you and maybe point you in the right direction.

[molten flame]

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-amd-rushes-ship-out-next-gen-gpus-to-avoid-trump-tariffs/

[uncut pendant]

Just bought a 4TB 990 pro

well i didn't buy it i got it for free

[molten flame]

prize or gift?

[uncut pendant]

it was on sale at MC and i traded some stuff back for it

they had it for 300 and i returned some RAM i had extra

[brave sundial]

why does stuff like this have to be US exclusive

[uncut pendant]

It's chaos tbh, be happy it doesn't exist, it would deteriorate your country.

[fallen harbor]

i have a backup pc with an i3 6100 on it. I saw that w11 is only supported for cpus of gen 8th onwards. Anybody knows what I can do with this 6100? is it really not possible to put a normally functioning w11 on it? should i move it to linux?

[pale quartz]

yes it's not possible

[fallen harbor]

😔

[midnight crypt]

Could use win10

[small zinc]

That's not true at all. @pale quartz is incorrect. Even though it's "officially" unsupported, you can install Windows 10, change a specific registry value (TPM/UnsupportedCPU) and you can install Windows 11.

[pale quartz]

yes you can do that and not boot any battlefield game

[small zinc]

You can also just try installing Windows 11 without changing it. Should work just fine.

[pale quartz]

no it won't work lol, the anticheat enforces TPM for windows 11

it won't boot at all

[small zinc]

He's not asking about Battlefield. He's asking about installing Windows on a 6th gen I3

Which you absolutely can.

[pale quartz]

yes, this is a battlefield server, use due diligence

[small zinc]

I answered his question. you were wrong.

you gave false information.

[pale quartz]

there is no false information because anything unofficial isnt recommended lol, besides, his processor doesn't support GMET or SLAT so using windows 11 with VBS on will slash performance by 30% for games

it's a bad idea and giving bad information like this is deceiving to a user

[small zinc]

Again. That's not what he asked. You can install windows 11 on an i3 6100. Question asked, and answered.

[pale quartz]

....

[fallen harbor]

mom dad please dont fight

i love the two of you

to be fair i asked if i can install a normally functioning w11 on it

if i can install it but i wont be able to open games or get updates or something like that, then the answer is more no than yes i guess

[pale quartz]

yes you can't, half your games won't boot

[small zinc]

Is your intentions to play Battlefield with your i3 6100?

[fallen harbor]

not specifically, but to run some games yes

i might use it to emulate lots of retro games on retroarch

[small zinc]

I'd still recommend Windows 10. However if you'd like to install Windows 11, you absolutely can. I can't speak to what games will function properly. Deco is correct on changing Trusted Platform Module entries in Windows will negate Battlefield, but obviously not all games use TPM as an anti-cheat.

[fallen harbor]

id prefer to stick to w10 but its support will end next year

thats why i ask

[pale quartz]

apex battlefield etc all won't work, that means from battlefield 1+ etc, so if you proceed do it wisely and expect performance to be very bad compared to windows 10

[fallen harbor]

i see

well I guess I will stick to w10 and cut it off the internet

and use it as a retro console

now if I could get a mini case for it that'd be great but they're so expensive 😭

[pale quartz]

you are not totally out the loop as security updates will end officially but you will have the option of paying for continued security updates

[fallen harbor]

huh i didnt know that

but nah i dont think i will